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#veteran-class
silver patrol
vestal ravine
Go back a few posts, and check the build that was posted here, an autopistol build by LiminalLizard. I'm just saying why Lacerate with the body hit blessing is nice.
vestal ravine
Took 12 knife hits to kill a single crusher
I was showing the bleed effect, are you guys so literal all the time?
tame lodge
No
It's just that it took 12 hits to kill the crusher
Instead of 3
It's lacerate dawg
There's no defending it
vestal ravine
Alright, here's then, 3
tame lodge
Just use Flesh Tearer
vestal ravine
Same talents
vestal ravine
What?
You think dots counts as 1 hit?
In this build dot damage is critical part of the damage dealing aspect, it would be like measuring flame staff without counting soulblaze damage.
tame lodge
No correlation at all
You have murder kill everything melee and you're trying to measure it by tickle the enemy dots
silver patrol
wait, people use that shitty bleed blessing unironically?
tame lodge
silver patrol
that's crazy
vestal ravine
What's crazy is that I'm just explaing why the posted build use that. And that in this specific build, it do add some value.
silver patrol
well yeah, every blessing adds value
silver patrol
i mean it's shit, but it adds value
tame lodge
No no I get
It
The game is too easy
And you're purposely sabotaging yourself
So the game feels challenging
Pretty based honestly
vestal ravine
Shrimply because knife hit hard already
I gotta go for a while but this stance really makes me mad for a few reasons.
One is that people can choose other weapons for fun and variety. This game is not restricted only to havoc players.
Two is that your statement is correct if one would only get critical weakspot hits, and that's really hard specially when the game becomes a hetic mess with enemies everywhere.
I'm not saying that it's good or anything the like, but we should be able to discuss some simple math without getting this type of talk everytime.
vestal ravine
Was talking about this build.
tame lodge
I already understand you
You're purposely sabotaging yourself
To make the game more interesting
I get it
Pretty based
vestal ravine
You're purposely sabotaging yourself
It's not my build, I'm just saying why the choice is that. OMG!
tame lodge
There's no need to defend anything dawg
silver patrol
ah it's a meme build
tame lodge
I get it
silver patrol
what are we even talking about then
hearty panther
doesnt really matter, a bunch of people will still dog on his posts for three hours after the fact without a reply
this is what happens when you ban porn
turbid ibex
this is what happens when you ban porn
quiet lark
wait, people use that shitty bleed blessing unironically?
unironically i think it's half cause mr e said to use it
silver patrol
of course it was mr e
quiet lark
yeah i have no idea what the thought process is but yno
torpid grotto
I watched that video randomly one day, first Mr e vid I saw in months
āVet knife is all about bleedā
quiet lark
he has some interesting takes
torpid grotto
The class with guaranteed mercy killer bro š
Iāve played a few games of lacerate + serrated blade on h40 for fun and always maxed out on like 200k bleed dmg overall
trail quartz
played hivescum i think 2 days ago first time. is there a reason vet has such a bad stam regen? jsut asking for a friend xD
hearty panther
cause tahts just how it was
torpid grotto
played hivescum i think 2 days ago first time. is there a reason vet has such a ...
Same reason hive scum chem grenades are a better version of zealot flame grenades
turbid ibex
Also only 2 base stamina instead of 3
trail quartz
Same reason hive scum chem grenades are a better version of zealot flame grenade...
true ._ .
i dont get it why vet base stats are so bad its like you jsut came from chemo therapy.
turbid ibex
At least we arent stuck with 1s stamina delay anymore
trail quartz
dont remind me on that..
silver patrol
played hivescum i think 2 days ago first time. is there a reason vet has such a ...
it's already the class that does everything
trail quartz
fatshark really ahtes long range dps except its enemys xD
silver patrol
at least one weak point it's good to have
trail quartz
it's already the class that does everything
talking about. how many % are VoC on havoc and auric? so ye sure he can do all "but"
grand perch
after doing all penances on hscum, going back to vetg felt so slow by comparison. just...everything. slower.
tame lodge
Vet has VoC?
grand perch
scum is just nuts rn
tame lodge
quiet lark
yeah scum is just scum honestly
trail quartz
as scum i feel like i can do everything np
silver patrol
well yes
trail quartz
meanwhile vet slow as fuk, the power sword has 3 hits, needs activation. it jsut sucks straight away
if you play it
torpid grotto
New class will make scum feel like vet
turbid ibex
meanwhile vet slow as fuk, the power sword has 3 hits, needs activation. it jsut...
Lmao
silver patrol
power sword is maybe the best melee in the game
torpid grotto
Itās going to be able to noclip
quiet lark
power sword is very strong tho
silver patrol
as they always do to sell dlcs, the new class will be op
and then nerfed after 2 months when sales die down
turbid ibex
and then nerfed after 2 months when sales die down
It was the opposite with scum tho
trail quartz
power sword is maybe the best melee in the game
before i use ever again PS i use tac hatched, the mkVI even slows you down for no reason
silver patrol
It was the opposite with scum tho
nah just a rough start
after that it was clear it was obscene
turbid ibex
after that it was clear it was obscene
And now its even more obscene
trail quartz
its just weird
hollow ibex
meanwhile vet slow as fuk, the power sword has 3 hits, needs activation. it jsut...
it feels jank but it's very strong
silver patrol
nah, much worse now that pickpocket has been nerfed into mediocrity
torpid grotto
2027 patch notes: Skitari Delete All Enemies On Map blitz decreased from 18 charges to 17
turbid ibex
nah, much worse now that pickpocket has been nerfed into mediocrity
Lmao no
Melee scum is still insanely busted
silver patrol
gun scum was still better than melee scum now
trail quartz
it feels jank but it's very strong
mkIIIkinda if you get interrupted tho its over with your butt also you need the poowercycler and slaughterer
hollow ibex
pickpocket? medicore? some of the lowest effort bait i've seen
tame lodge
Why Slaughterer
turbid ibex
And pickpocket is still infinite ammo
tame lodge
trail quartz
you mean the desperado?
turbid ibex
mkIIIkinda if you get interrupted tho its over with your butt also you need the ...
Mk3 is just worse than mk6
hollow ibex
mkIIIkinda if you get interrupted tho its over with your butt also you need the ...
PS is both insanely strong and requires actually good melee fundamentals
tame lodge
Pickpocket is the other talent
hollow ibex
well-designed weapon in that aspect
turbid ibex
No reason to use mk3 over mk6
tame lodge
Elite melee kill = ammo
hollow ibex
No reason to use mk3 over mk6
erm aura?
turbid ibex
Elite melee kill = ammo
Specialist too
trail quartz
im pretty sure the mkVI slows you even more down on activation as the mIII
turbid ibex
im pretty sure the mkVI slows you even more down on activation as the mIII
Mk6 can block cancel so its irrelevant
trail quartz
mkIII is horizontal slashes against trash usually, mkVI diagonal slashes but better against armor
turbid ibex
Nah mk6 is also better against hordes
hollow ibex
it does
turbid ibex
Mk3 push attack is an overhead instead of the stab yeah
silver patrol
yeah the stab is insane
trail quartz
damn i should say overhead like the bro not vertical
its weird i have better times on hordes with mkIII if i use it at all. i dont get it
silver patrol
you are probably not block or sprint cancelling
turbid ibex
Mk6 having the stab PA as well as block cancel on their own already make it superior to mk3 in pretty much every way
turbid ibex
you are probably not block or sprint cancelling
Or not using the right combo
silver patrol
or using the wrong attack for hordes
turbid ibex
Yeah
silver patrol
also be mindful that most hordes aren't poxwalker shitties
trail quartz
thank you very much. i will try it out, also i apologize i came up kinda "sour".
silver patrol
did you
silver patrol
the powersword is pure garbage to use, i don't blame you
i would uninstall if i was forced to play an hour of it
turbid ibex
the powersword is pure garbage to use, i don't blame you
Disagree tbh
turbid ibex
I like the rhythm of special into three attacks
trail quartz
i dont think its that shitty but you need a lot of practice. i just discovered a few days ago the power falcion and well.. its already 10 times better but sux against fattys
hollow ibex
i will grant thee heretics a swift death
silver patrol
the nice flow when a plebeian gets behind me and tickles me, making me lose the charge
quiet lark
i never found the power sword that bad to use but it definitely feels better if you use ws and/or executioner's
turbid ibex
i dont think its that shitty but you need a lot of practice. i just discovered a...
Falchionš„
hollow ibex
i dont think its that shitty but you need a lot of practice. i just discovered a...
unfortunately falch's pretty mid
turbid ibex
They call it 007
hollow ibex
like FS saw the relic blade and said
"let's ctrl c and ctrl v that weapon, and remove what made it good"
š
turbid ibex
0 redeeming qualities
0 reasons to use over other melees
7+ buffs needed for it to not suck
silver patrol
mhhhhhhhh
trail quartz
true
turbid ibex
10% melee damage
It was actually closer to like 3.8%
hollow ibex
sorry best i can do is 3% first target damage
hearty panther
stagger bistol probs
silver patrol
i suppose
hearty panther
original crusher too on launch
silver patrol
i don't count launch because it was vietnam flashbacks
hearty panther
we had significantly less weapons back then though and it still had a niche with a couple weirdoes who just cycled the special over and over again
tame lodge
It's okay guys
Falchion is just going through their hero journey
They're on their weak arc
Training arc soon
trail quartz
stagger bistol probs
if i might ask, whats the stagger pist : o
hollow ibex
it's the explodey bistol mark
trail quartz
it's the explodey bistol mark
i love that thing actual xD works fine on my builds mostly
silver patrol
it's actually pretty good on hivescum desperado
trail quartz
didnt knew scum has that option too, thats terifying
silver patrol
it's not like
trail quartz
Apparently you can't have Hookah as a name
shank also dont works
silver patrol
HivesCum went through, but i don't think it goes through anymore
turbid ibex
even close to the top 3 desperado guns imo
Its hood voidblast
tame lodge
shank also dont works
Really sad
Because I was going for Hookahsona Miku
Had to settle for Hivesona
trail quartz
Had to settle for Hivesona
damn you are good.. xD
trail quartz
otherwise go for the orgyn/orkish pronounce huggah, everyone who knows 40k wil know whats up..
pseudo fiber
narrow frost
Malice gamers rise up!
pseudo fiber
Malice gamers rise up!
If you can guess what their profile picture is it makes the entire post funnier
silver patrol
this new?
silver patrol
i dunno, i feel like those people are celebrating the fact that duelling sword was nerfed
i don't think it was that good of a melee
tall torrent
Itās still a really strong melee
But staff build psyker canāt nuke crushers with it anymore
tame lodge
i don't think it was that good of a melee
Would you say it's bad?
silver patrol
i dunno bad
but reddit talks about it like it was the best melee in the game and i don't see it
tame lodge
Aaawwwww
quiet lark
ds is good but i've seen so many people say it's the best melee bar none
like the s+ tier
tame lodge
You're not going to work for my narrative
Damn
Need someone else
Thanks for answering though
š«”
silver patrol
well it feels like shit to use when there is an horde
tall torrent
Itās a high t1 melee same way shiv is
tame lodge
well it feels like shit to use when there is an horde
It does have the worst horde clearing in the game iirc
silver patrol
fantastic melee combos for horde clearing, but hits like 2 people at best
torpid grotto
ds is good but i've seen so many people say it's the best melee bar none
Itās the best crutch in the game is why people say that
They suddenly start doing 10x better when they use it
slow sky
Its one of the best at everything that could be considered challenging in melee, and does all of it the easiest
Thats the secret sauce
Its just plugging the gaps in player skill
torpid grotto
The best is prob fgs or power sword
agile mango
best Non PS melee weapons on vet?
tame lodge
Rashad Combat Axe
Brutal Momentum
Headtaker
Unarmored Carapace iirc
Mobility dump
somber axle
Rashad Combat Axe for sure. Tax Axe Mk VII is also really good
tame lodge
They said best š£ļø
somber axle
They said weapons plural
somber axle
I'm not here for a fight dude LMFAO
Tac Axe Mk VII is solid and has a more dynamic moveset/combos than Rashad Ckmbat Axe. Better mobility and requires less talent tree investment than Rashad to perform
agile mango
thanks lads
tame lodge
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somber axle
Rashad is stronger but if they don't vibe with spamming lights on hordes and heavies for single target Tac Axe is good and fun
tame lodge
Knife is also up there if you like knife
agile mango
also, for helbore, is one motion basically a necessity?
somber axle
Knife is also good too yeah
somber axle
also, for helbore, is one motion basically a necessity?
I would say yes. I have seen a few say no
Play with and without it to get the feel
agile mango
I would say yes. I have seen a few say no
thx
quiet lark
also, for helbore, is one motion basically a necessity?
i use it, i wouldn't say it's strictly necessary if you can deal with the long swap times but i would recommend it
agile mango
Knife is also up there if you like knife
what do u run on it?
tame lodge
Precognition Riposte
quiet lark
Itās the best crutch in the game is why people say that
dats very fair i just hate not having the horde clear
tidal fox
*cough* taxe is shit *cough*
kark yourself
somber axle
If you want a good melee to pair with Helbore I'd recommend Tac Axe Mk VII, Shovel, Catachan Sword... I've even seen some people recommend Power Falchion can be passable as a melee sidearm but it is a very mid tier weapon
slow sky
If you want a good melee to pair with Helbore I'd recommend Tac Axe Mk VII, Shov...
Heavy sword
somber axle
Rashad Combat Axe wants Trench Fighter Drill and usually Weapon Specialist to maximize its potential
Helbore performs best with Marksman's Focus
They're incompatible weapons
somber axle
Heavy sword
That's also a good option too
Helbore has deep talent investment down bottom left talent tree for MMF so it has less points to spare to invest in melee
Ideally you want a melee that can defend you when you have to swap off Helbore and one that doesn't make you regret picking Marksman's Focus as your keystone
You also want a good mobility melee imo
Helbore is low mobility
Pairing with Power Sword or Rashad Combat Axe is awkward enough without imagining how you're moving in slow motion compared to anyone else
agile mango
If you want a good melee to pair with Helbore I'd recommend Tac Axe Mk VII, Shov...
I think I;m shit with marksmans focus
at best I can get lik4 6 stacks lol
somber axle
It used to be a lot harder to stack and maintain
It's a lot easier now after the keystone was buffed for duration
I will warn that Helbore needs a good team to screen the frontline for you to get the best performance from it
It isn't like other Vet ranged options that you can just run into melee with and quick swap to snipe an elite or special
For matchmaking solo into randoms it will make you worry more about positioning than other weapons to play it to its strengths
One Motion helps a LOT for stuff like that and adapting to a close range threat because you can't always rely on your team to give you space to use the Helbore effectively otherwise
Exe Stance/Marksman's Focus with 15 stack subnode hits HARD and the Helbore Mk IV with the right talent tree is probably Vet's hardest hitting ranged weapon tbh
Also remember that Exe Stance instantly equips your ranged when you hit it
So you can skip the usual swap animation in a pinch
2-3 shot Crushers, 1 shot other elites/specials
Chunk boss HP too
Also quick disclaimer just to mention Vraks Infantry Autogun is almost certainly the highest DPS ranged weapon Vet has. Helbore has highest per shot damage for sure tho
hybrid plover
BP for VI and VII
Can pick and choose for IX
Reason I say this is cuz VI and VII aren't as synergistic with Deathblow blessing so Perfect Strike inches ahead for it and you want to crit a lot.
surreal rune
ah
what blessings and perks
bladed momentum or
iirc the light after special can cleave carapace and get stacks for bladed momentum
hybrid plover
It can.
You can use it. I just like my heavy swing cleave not being cucked by carapace
And Fury + Scourge will net a lot of crits which have innate rending anyway.
surreal rune
ah
hybrid plover
Assuming you go piety anyway.
surreal rune
so do you use headtaker instead?
hybrid plover
You should use headtaker no matter what imho
I've tried running setups without it
but the strength bonus it gives is huge
hybrid plover
Speaking of this I keep forgetting to make my zeal build
hybrid plover
carapace/unyielding?
Flak/unyielding for me. Crusher counts aren't crazy anymore so I'd rather have the perk that's applicable for more enemies.
hybrid plover
Yeah I think the days of non-negotiable carapace perks are gone
Especially since it feels like the spawns for everything else are going nuts
hybrid plover
Pretty much.
surreal rune
would you take a bolter with this?
hybrid plover
Could.
Honestly I'd say this is a case where it's worth running a ranged that can actually do some carapace damage for the sake of covering for Hsword
Revolver works too.
hybrid plover
Well you're in luck because hsword is also pretty good with marty
tough nova
IJ makes zoom. Zoom is good.
outer cosmos
IJ makes zoom. Zoom is good.
Why yes I am thank you
tall torrent
That's IJ propaganda
IJ with its pathing is pretty close to martyr in terms of dmg/atk speed but IJ buffs dodge fairly significantly
tall torrent
Pretty close not enough
it's enough usually
outer cosmos
Funnily enough I feel like the bigger your weapon is the better it is to run IJ over martyrdom
tall torrent
It is martyrdom or it's not
IJ vs martyr is like 35 vs 40% dmg bonus lol
outer cosmos
Tac-axe Marty is cracked but with IJ it feels iffy (to me)
tame lodge
Imma save both of our times here
tall torrent
Funnily enough I feel like the bigger your weapon is the better it is to run IJ ...
IJ is pretty significant for low dodge weapons
like relic blade
tall torrent
and relic is almost zealot's best generalist melee
outer cosmos
Precisely my point yes I agree
tall torrent
so yea IJ better
tame lodge
and relic is almost zealot's best generalist melee
Why almost?
This implies there are better
Or none
tall torrent
Why almost?
crusher still exists (even tho I think it's much better on arb)
outer cosmos
Buuuuuuut Marty is still far more entertaining to play imo I feel like a lawnmower
tame lodge
Hmmm
Kinda fell off with crusher
But maybe I should try it again
Specially with+50% cleave
tall torrent
crusher just feels much better on arb to me
outer cosmos
How do you make zealot crusher even work it feels terrible compared to arby
Itās icky and gross and boring at parties
outer cosmos
You see I do that but I still do not enjoy it
Maybe I am dumb and that is the issue
tall torrent
How do you make zealot crusher even work it feels terrible compared to arby
it is not as good as on arb
tame lodge
Yeah maybe zealot is better with blades
Than blunts
Speaking of zealot
Went to make a hiver (HivesonaMiku)
And I noticed that zealot and psyker don't have Iconics
(even though peril should be written there)
Which means peril isn't iconic
Therefore
#BuffPsyker
Huh?
You thought I was going to say "give an Iconic to zealot"
Pffff
Who in their right mind would buff zealot
hollow ibex
yeah i wouldn't
but i would remove blades of purity from zelaot
i mean it's dumb
it's just a ripoff of the shiv special
what were they thinking giving zealot a blitz that's a blatant ripoff of a hiv weapon special
tame lodge
And you know
Since the bonesaw is actually garbage
They should give it to zealot
But to compensate
Hiver should get relic blade
You know
To keep it fair
turbid ibex
They should give you to zealot
tame lodge
agile mango
is precision strikes no longer worth it for plasma?
tame lodge
is precision strikes no longer worth it for plasma?
Precision Strikes is always worth it
turbid ibex
is precision strikes no longer worth it for plasma?
Why wouldnt it be
tame lodge
A build without it is a bad build
agile mango
Why wouldnt it be
IDK. I keep seeing BigDom Note take and say it doesn't help w/breakpoints much ever since bound by duty
outer cosmos
Precision Strikes is always worth it
Is that the weak spot damage node?
tame lodge
Yeah
outer cosmos
Iām pretty sure itās a percentage of the damage youāre already dealing so in practice itās only like 12% more damage compared to other nodes iirc
I never run it and I still hit my breakpoints
outer cosmos
Fuuuuuuuck
But wait I think that builds that use it are bad
Therefore YOUR builds are whack
tame lodge
Not how that works dawg
tall torrent
is precision strikes no longer worth it for plasma?
it's still pretty relevant to most weapons' breakpoints
plasma especially has very stingy breakpoints in havoc
outer cosmos
Not how that works dawg
Youāre wrong Iām right youāre nitpicking and biased I win bye bye
turbid ibex
Smh my head
Sma my ass
agile mango
it's still pretty relevant to most weapons' breakpoints
wait, if it's only like actuallt 12% damage isn't longshot better?
outer cosmos
Suck my halls my head
outer cosmos
wait, if it's only like actuallt 12% damage isn't longshot better?
Depends on if youāre using focus target or not
agile mango
Depends on if youāre using focus target or not
i am
turbid ibex
wait, if it's only like actuallt 12% damage isn't longshot better?
Precision also affects melee
agile mango
only 4 stacks tho
outer cosmos
Take it if you feel like youāre not killing stuff well otherwise thereās no need
tall torrent
wait, if it's only like actuallt 12% damage isn't longshot better?
who told u it's 12% dmg
tame lodge
Zoom
tall torrent
or are u saying u are 12% damage off from a breakpoint
tame lodge
Iām pretty sure itās a percentage of the damage youāre already dealing so in pra...
.
outer cosmos
30% of the damage dealt is added so it doesnāt increase it by all that much
Mathematical
agile mango
who told u it's 12% dmg
zoom did
tall torrent
Iām pretty sure itās a percentage of the damage youāre already dealing so in pra...
12% is inaccurate to how finesse works
outer cosmos
Its weak spot damage not finesse as a whole though yeah?
agile mango
they go in the same bracket
idk what that means
outer cosmos
I need to test this again myself but Iām pretty sure when I last checked the damage increase was marginal
tame lodge
Fatshark math
tall torrent
idk what that means
plasma hipfire vs flak
base damage 606.375, flak ADM 118.48%, finesse modifier 0.5
this means ur weakspot hit vs flak will do 606.375 x118.48% x(1+0.5x0.6) = around 934 damage
if u add precision strikes, this becomes x(1+0.5x0.6x(1+0.3)) at the end which gets u 998.6 dmg roughly (around a 7% increase from base)
this doesn't sound like a lot and it isn't, because plasma has a very low finesse mod of 0.5 (among the lowest in the game)
however, precision strikes is still largely required for it to hit important breakpoints, especially in havoc
tame lodge
What's the mod that adds numeric countdown on the ability
agile mango
plasma hipfire vs flak
base damage 606.375, flak ADM 118.48%, finesse modifier ...
why not just use LongShot instead then? or even just swap the point I have in precisions trikes to 6 stacks of FT?
tall torrent
why not just use LongShot instead then? or even just swap the point I have in pr...
what is ur tree that u can't afford precision strikes
agile mango
tall torrent
yea so u can afford precision strikes
agile mango
IDK why I shouldnt just drop precisions trikes and the +10% ranged damage node
tall torrent
what's ur melee
agile mango
what's ur melee
rashad
agile mango
also, here's what I really have
agile mango
u need breakpoints on rashad
wdym? it one-taps even without precision strikes on horde.
IDK why not to drop precision strikes for the 6 stacks of FT tho
or why to kepe the +10% damage node if Longshot is just better than it
tall torrent
IDK why not to drop precision strikes for the 6 stacks of FT tho
6 stack is not great
agile mango
6 stack is not great
really? it's like 5% extra damage at all times and also an additional +10% against marked enemies
tall torrent
really? it's like 5% extra damage at all times and also an additional +10% again...
it's more like
5% extra dmg at almost all times
and occasionally, when u purposefully not tag anything for 6 seconds straight, around 12% more dmg vs tagged enemies
so if ur playing FT right what u get is usually just gonna be the former
agile mango
yeah, that seems less bad than 7% ranged headshot damage lol
tall torrent
yeah, that seems less bad than 7% ranged headshot damage lol
it's also melee
orchid hemlock
FT needs to be reworked
Because in practice you very rarely ever get anything above 1 stack š
agile mango
sorry, 7% on both
tall torrent
sorry, 7% on both
it's not 7% on both
because different attacks can (and often do) have different finesse mods
it's also a different bracket of damage bonus from +damage, +strength, etc
tall torrent
FT needs to be reworked
Because in practice you very rarely ever get anything ...
no u can get 3~4 stacks pretty consistently atm
agile mango
how do you have issues getting 6 stacks?
tall torrent
how do you have issues getting 6 stacks?
tag enemies?
agile mango
yeah, IDK how you can not have 6 stacks basically all the time
its just tag any enemy and then when they die you get 6 stacks
tame lodge
Not how that works
tall torrent
its just tag any enemy and then when they die you get 6 stacks
are u talking about 6 stacks of RF or 6 stacks of FT?
agile mango
are u talking about 6 stacks of RF or 6 stacks of FT?
RF
tall torrent
6 stacks of FT needs u to wait
tall torrent
RF
yea I already acknowledged above that the 5% extra dmg for RF is consistent
it's the latter part that isn't
agile mango
oh, what makes 4 stacks much easier than 6 stacks for FT?
tall torrent
oh, what makes 4 stacks much easier than 6 stacks for FT?
because 6-stack upgrade doesn't make u gain FT stacks any faster
outer cosmos
plasma hipfire vs flak
base damage 606.375, flak ADM 118.48%, finesse modifier ...
ok so i just tested this in the psykanium and i think the math isn't mathing here
used a plasma gun with gets hot and blaze away and shot a bunch of dreg gunners point blank
fist build has PS, other build is the same but has born leader + 6 stack precision fire
only other significant damage increase is skirmisher. i did not take agile engagement in either build.
with all buffs maxed out i was hitting 2347 on the non PS build, vs 2428 on the PS build. that's only 81 extra damage, or around 3% extra damage. both were well within two shot range
this was in a havoc 40 psykanium
tall torrent
ok so i just tested this in the psykanium and i think the math isn't mathing her...
what and what
what's 6 stack precision fire
outer cosmos
focus target i'm fucking stupid
hearty panther
this dude cracked the code, he's got six copies of a single talent
outer cosmos
full stacks of blaze away
tall torrent
are u seriously testing breakpoints with blaze away
outer cosmos
aaaanyways all that to say precision strikes did not help anything at all it was still 2 shots on both
hearty panther
its not really about the ultramaxximum damage output its about being able to kill dreg gunners with as little as possible
tall torrent
aaaanyways all that to say precision strikes did not help anything at all it was...
did u shoot head or body
tame lodge
this dude cracked the code, he's got six copies of a single talent
I can't believe I haven't transcended space and time to get 6 copies of a single talent
There's a lot I have to do huh
hearty panther
yall better watch out im running six copies of close and kill
tame lodge
Alright ascension arc starting
outer cosmos
oh shit maybe cranial corruption was on lmao
hearty panther
if ur not attentive ur gonna sprint right off the map
narrow frost
oh shit maybe cranial corruption was on lmao
modded psyc testing isnt the best anyways
outer cosmos
for what reason
narrow frost
inconsistencies
orchid hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/ascension-sponge-bob-gif-15077046
Holy
narrow frost
its very fickle
outer cosmos
i doubt the results would be more consistent or congruent with havoc gameplay in an auric psykanium
narrow frost
especially with over lapping mods, like healthbars and True solo
tall torrent
i doubt the results would be more consistent or congruent with havoc gameplay in...
the reality is that, if u can produce a certain amount of dmg per shot in auric meat grinder, u can count on that being a reliable breakpoint
mods have been fickle with this kind of stuff, u shouldn't count on them without knowing exactly how they calculate and display HP
outer cosmos
the reality is that, if u can produce a certain amount of dmg per shot in auric ...
not in havoc???? enemies get an hp increase???? what????
tall torrent
there was this issue with weapon customization mod making 2x on every dmg instance u do and someone in psyker chat was using that for breakpoints
tall torrent
not in havoc???? enemies get an hp increase???? what????
ok here's the thing
scab gunner hp in h40 is 2550
if u can produce an attack that kills scab rager (2500hp) in auric in 1 hit
it will most likely also kill scab gunner in h40 in 1 hit
there're high enough hp enemies for u to check breakpoints without modding meat grinder into havoc
outer cosmos
this is besides the point from what i have seen PS is marginal on plasma gun
tall torrent
ok so i just tested this in the psykanium and i think the math isn't mathing her...
and, this is also just, not good enough to be called proper tests
outer cosmos
so how do i actually test this
because the evidence my eyes have shown me still points to FS being a waste of points
*PS
yaaargh
tall torrent
so how do i actually test this
u could math it out, or test with the exact same conditions with/without precision strikes
I for example can tell u that plasma default is ~934 dmg on flak headshot
with +25% perk vs flak and +10% ranged dmg node on tree, this becomes 1285
outer cosmos
u could math it out, or test with the exact same conditions with/without precisi...
i did test in the same conditions with the same exact build dude
and i saw that it did not change BPs at all
tall torrent
i did test in the same conditions with the same exact build dude
no? u did one with PS and the other with 6 stack redirect fire
and yes u can get same breakpoint with different talent configurations
hollow ibex
do schools not teach scientific method anymore?
tall torrent
but u probably didn't need 6 stacks for it anyway
outer cosmos
prob not
tall torrent
the easiest way to get best plasma breakpoints is focus target + RF
outer cosmos
yeah the whole point of 6 stacks is for team toughness and RF
tall torrent
but if u want WS then ur options are more limited
tall torrent
yeah the whole point of 6 stacks is for team toughness and RF
6 stack still is not worth
hybrid plover
6 stack is awkward ime
tall torrent
prob not
it's also worth noting that PS (weakspot dmg, crit dmg and finesse) are in a different damage bonus bracket than other forms of damage bonuses
hybrid plover
Because while you can get the stacks, in practice it's actually a decent wait for them and I'm usually pinging something before I can ever hit the 5th even.
outer cosmos
sorry if i came across as argumentative btw i just wanted to get to the bottom of this
tall torrent
and even tho PS isn't that huge of a bonus for plasma, ur melee still benefits and ur melee could be a high finesse weapon
outer cosmos
and even tho PS isn't that huge of a bonus for plasma, ur melee still benefits a...
well yeah ofc if you're running DS or CB then it's gonna be great
this is very true and factual
tall torrent
sorry if i came across as argumentative btw i just wanted to get to the bottom o...
plasma hipfire, base damage 606.375, flak ADM 118.48%, finesse modifier 0.5
the damage calculation for weakspot non-crit hit goes as follows (usually)
606.375
x118.48%
x(1+0.5x0.6x(1+weakspot damage + finesse)
x(1+damage)
x(1+strength)
xdamage taken
x(1+flanking damage)
redirect fire is damage
most damage related talents on vet, such as skirmisher, are all damage
focus target is damage taken
blaze away is strength
precision strikes is weakspot damage
u can math out plasma damage with the above, and u can confirm this with tests in meat grinder
outer cosmos
thanks you laid that out very nicely
tall torrent
thanks you laid that out very nicely
focus target is x1.05 per stack
outer cosmos
gotcha
tall torrent
so 4 stacks is actually x1.05^4, and 6 stacks is x1.05^6
it's not x(1+0.5x4)
6 stack still is not worth because of the wait time
it's especially not worth if u take the toughness/stamina subnode for FT
outer cosmos
don't have to wait for full stacks to get the extra two on RF and target down though
tall torrent
don't have to wait for full stacks to get the extra two on RF and target down th...
yes
in which case ur spending a whole point (on the class with 8 points worth of choice including blitz, ability and keystone) to get a measly 5% damage, which is not worth
outer cosmos
prob marginal but for what i'm running the only better thing would be agile engagement (which i really should take ig)
outer cosmos
yes
in which case ur spending a whole point (on the class with 8 points worth of...
yeah but thats an extra five my friends are doing too so it's not as bad as if i was taking it solely for my own damage
the extra toughness on target down is nice too
sharp epoch
ft is poo poo doo doo
tall torrent
yeah but thats an extra five my friends are doing too so it's not as bad as if i...
it's still largely irrelevant
outer cosmos
yeah i'll probably end up dropping it for agile engagement
hybrid plover
I play too aggressively to vibe with a keystone that actively takes time to use
junior haven
outer cosmos
it does indeed not take time
tall torrent
it's also just significantly more dmg than WS
somber axle
Bind ping to mouse click 1 
(I'm joking for anyone watching don't do this)
tall torrent
but WS makes u significantly better at melee
surreal rune
is it worth taking prime target on zealot?
tall torrent
prime target is gud
tall torrent
just get gud keybind ez
hybrid plover
Not that it actually does take time.
outer cosmos
do you like stand still as you ping stuff
hybrid plover
No.
If anything it's the fact that I'm constantly on the move pushing into melee that makes it not fit for me.
outer cosmos
i mean i have to press a button / scroll my mouse wheel to activate WS that also takes time
hybrid plover
Because I like the survivability buffs too much to lose those.
outer cosmos
that's quite fair
hybrid plover
Yeah I'll do way more damage with a power sword
But I'll also feel like even more of a bag of bricks.
outer cosmos
the problem is that crusher twoshots make me wet so i physically can't use any other keystone with it
hybrid plover
So I have to play more conservatively to make sure I don't suddenly snowball
WS lets you circumvent that quite a bit.
outer cosmos
being alive > damage though so you have a point
WS is also better for most melee weapons anyways
tall torrent
If anything it's the fact that I'm constantly on the move pushing into melee tha...
what keybind do u use for tag
narrow frost
I have 4
outer cosmos
i use the e key
hybrid plover
all 4 foot pedals
Ainz playing Darktide on their old Rock Band drum set
narrow frost
yes
hybrid plover
Okay that would actually be cool.
Honestly it's that same logic that makes IJ my favorite Zealot keystone too
vestal ravine
do schools not teach scientific method anymore?
This is sorely missing here.
tame lodge
what keybind do u use for tag
G#
hybrid plover
Dodge efficiency buffs are always really good to have.
tame lodge
G#
I was thinking about putting it on C1
But that's waaaaay over to the left
So it ended up not being interesting
outer cosmos
This is sorely missing here.
please do not extrapolate my own horrible lack of intelligence onto everyone else here please
i said please twice so you know that i'm serious
surreal rune
@hybrid plover this heavy sword is actually really good thanks
tame lodge
Yes
I'm seeing if I can play Darktide on a synthesizer
hybrid plover
G# sounds just fine.
tame lodge
š
hybrid plover
tame lodge
It'll take a while until I figure it all out but still
hybrid plover
<@109528432425062400> this heavy sword is actually really good thanks
My propaganda continues to spread
Heavy sword with unfaltering is peak btw
I'm glad more classes than just scum can enjoy it more now with the update
surreal rune
didnt they remove the sprint debuff for heavies on heavy sword?
slow sky
didnt they remove the sprint debuff for heavies on heavy sword?
Not sure what you mean, but then set allow_sprint = true so you can do combos and wind up consecutive heavies while sprinting instead of it resetting
tall torrent
The move speed curve isnāt changed afaik
hybrid plover
didnt they remove the sprint debuff for heavies on heavy sword?
The slowdown is still present.
tall torrent
It just wonāt reset combo
surreal rune
Not sure what you mean, but then set allow_sprint = true so you can do combos an...
ah i read it wrong
but that was something that i found annoying
slow sky
but that was something that i found annoying
Depends on the person and weapon
The mk4 devils claw used to have it which allowed you to chain just overheads, but not anymore when they changed that
viscid sigil
so new best knife blessings in general is MK and Precog?
with serrated talent of course
viscid sigil
thank you both
agile mango
@slow sky what do u run on heavy sword if you're pairing it with Helbore? also, are there any other good melee weapons for running with the helbore?
viscid sigil
DC and PS were my fall backs because I needed something to clear trash hordes with
slow sky
<@142046391504601088> what do u run on heavy sword if you're pairing it with Hel...
Flak maniac/unyielding and deathblow headtaker
Mostly the main factors are
Is it defensively safe
Can it clear hordes and ragers with low investment in a pinch
agile mango
Flak maniac/unyielding and deathblow headtaker
thanks! Also, which mark do you think is best?
slow sky
thanks! Also, which mark do you think is best?
Mk6 or 7 funny joke are the ones that can use deathblow the best, cuz the heavy sweep has the same profile as the overhead, so high single target damage for db to capitalize on
The main difference between them is moveset
Just which order the attacks come out, so personal pref
The mk9 is more simple and easy but doesnt have those high first target heavy sweeps, just regular ones
Which is fine if you dont fuck with the angles of those on the first two
agile mango
thx man!
viscid sigil
i have been awakened to the slaughter PS
1 cycle Auric crusher (don't havoc turned on in psych) on full stack
my 1 shot PS has returned
tall torrent
i have been awakened to the slaughter PS
1 cycle Auric crusher (don't havoc turn...
it's perhaps the most "balanced" non-cheesy way of using it
viscid sigil
there is a build up
at least 2 melees into a trash horde before reaching full potential
so there's like a second of forethought required compared to how it used to be
slender elm
viscid sigil
the meme tithe is satisfied
latent star
If I wanna do Combat Axe on Scum, what's the general build? Before you direct me to their channel, please remember they are degenerates and I want professional guidance.
abstract sand
tidal fox
why is there a worthless piece of scum in my vet class channel
past junco
man Im scared to touch darktide because of the changes they did last week
torpid grotto
Why :(
latent star
man Im scared to touch darktide because of the changes they did last week
Its better now.
quiet lark
don't be scared š«
grand perch
no, do be scared
dry cloak
@woeful junco we got problem
worthy dragon
Go fucking K-KARK yourselves! :3
sonic kayak
don't be scared š«
Don't be scared, I won't bite....
Cholesterol doesn't kill, I do!
finite hawk
so, with the change to Uncanny, what should I switch it to on my knife for my stealth/recon Vet (already using Onslaught for Brittleness stacks)
shrewd topaz
something something let them cook
agile forge
man Im scared to touch darktide because of the changes they did last week
I know that feeling, but honestly I realised I'm not really running much Uncanny on anything besides my psyker right now anyway lol
shy valley
man Im scared to touch darktide because of the changes they did last week
its genuienly better now, no more crusher spam forcing you to take anti-armor. ive seen a crusher waves only once since the update and its only during high intensity missions
mauler spam is higher tho, but thats preferable over crushers
hollow ibex
so, with the change to Uncanny, what should I switch it to on my knife for my st...
Onslaught is not good Iām afraid
rough stream
can the Infantry lasgun be a comfort pick for high havoc ?
hollow ibex
can the Infantry lasgun be a comfort pick for high havoc ?
depends if you subjectively find objectively mid weapons to be comforting
willow prairie
you also need to be carried by your team
agile mango
what are the blessings/perks for combat knife now?
agile mango
Precognition Riposte
what perks? also, whats the diff between the two perk combos?
tall torrent
what perks? also, whats the diff between the two perk combos?
precog + riposte is entirely dodge dependent (reactive)
MK + executor is entirely weakspot focused (active)
agile mango
precog + riposte is entirely dodge dependent (reactive)
MK + executor is entirel...
which mk of knife is better for each? also, do perks amtter at all?
tall torrent
which mk of knife is better for each? also, do perks amtter at all?
VI is the better knife
perks I do flak + carapace
faint beacon
man Im scared to touch darktide because of the changes they did last week
They arenāt that bad
tall torrent
they're actually pretty good
faint beacon
I just havenāt been playing cause Iām burnt out, experiencing a Deadlock and Minecraft phase
tall torrent
we're only 450+ changes away from making havoc good
faint beacon
So Iām just not actively playing
tall torrent
and only ~100 more nerfs on psyker and hive scum to have them be balanced
tall torrent
Literally anything but nerfing it
staff psyker overall got nerfed more significantly
tawny badger
Every single psyker on the Morningstar would be on suicide watch if inferno got nerfed lets be real
grand perch
nah theyd just migrate to the next OP thing
cuase, lets face it, most dont keep flame staffing because its actually fun
tall torrent
Every single psyker on the Morningstar would be on suicide watch if inferno got ...
ok what's the downside
u just told me the upside, what's the downside
tawny badger
ok what's the downside
spoken like a true zealot
well uh
who else is 1/3 of the cast gonna be racist towards
hollow ibex
staff psyker overall got nerfed more significantly
nowhere near enough š
tall torrent
nowhere near enough š
it is pretty significant
can't nuke crushers with melee nearly as hard as before
hollow ibex
i hate how FS just assumed everyone abused uncanny + sb
tall torrent
i hate how FS just assumed everyone abused uncanny + sb
it's a really meaningless buff for soulblaze vs crusher actually
tame lodge
It's ok
They just nuked the interaction
Then nuked the blessing
Then nuked the crushers
3 in a swoop
š¬
rough stream
depends if you subjectively find objectively mid weapons to be comforting
to a certain extent. I just want to sniper gunners and elites. Iām not cool enough for hellbore but im not vibing with recon las
arctic ridge
When you're in a Maelstrom Specialists heavy, in a squad with 3 other veterans
One running helbore, the other two running revolver & knife
Half-an-hour later, just not at the halfway point -- revolvers run low on ammo, helbore deals with aiming tunnel vision high, & we get eventually tsunami'd by horde that other 3 squadmates can't kill fast enough.
somber axle
to a certain extent. I just want to sniper gunners and elites. Iām not cool enou...
Have you considered the humble Vigilant Autogun
rough stream
Have you considered the humble Vigilant Autogun
no because I just tried the hellbore exe stance and im now true believer
sorry yall i was just being a hater
agile forge
which helbores are we using?
idk which is the one, I had been using the lightest one beforehand and it was ok but unexciting
just a better infantry las
agile forge
which one is the IV? I haven't played since it was I/II/III
tall torrent
heavy hitter, brown model
agile forge
the one with the worse bayonet attack?
tall torrent
yea
agile forge
groovy, using the heaviest one appeals to me
agile forge
V is the speedy one?
agile mango
is the heavy sword good at killing ragres? on helbore I find I often get swarmed
tame lodge
Yes it is
agile mango
Yes it is
whats the combo to deal with them in havoc wher theres like 12 all at once?
also, do u know what the dump stat is?
somber axle
which helbores are we using?
I usually use the V but sometimes swap to the IV
They're both pretty fun and effective
tame lodge
tame lodge
whats the combo to deal with them in havoc wher theres like 12 all at once?
If mk6/7 you gotta throw heavies and if lucky enough you'd kill 5 per swing
On mk9 you have to use H1 so it usually goes special heavy
The dump is generally defences
tall torrent
is the heavy sword good at killing ragres? on helbore I find I often get swarmed
Dreg rager yes
Scab rager itās ok but not that impressive
pseudo fiber
got his lil rager out
tame lodge
It do be wiggly
hollow ibex
Dreg rager yes
Scab rager itās ok but not that impressive
all fun and games until you hit carapace
tame lodge
Don't worry
Fatshark took the important Carapace enemies out back and shot them
It took like 500 shots but still
agile forge
Heavy sword really has to work around the carapace on stuff like maulers
pseudo fiber
Scab mauler and plasma gunner still exist
at leastI can hit them in the chest
tall torrent
at leastI can hit them in the chest
Itās just pretty slow ttk on them
pseudo fiber
This time I'm really gonna do ot
agile mango
On mk9 you have to use H1 so it usually goes special heavy
whats the best mark you reckon? are there certain perks that I ought to take for it? also is the HSWORd better than the DClaw?
IDK if HSWord can deal with the stuff in havoc40
grand perch
everythings better than dclaw
tall torrent
whats the best mark you reckon? are there certain perks that I ought to take for...
All 3 marks for heavy sword are ok
Usually I recommend unyielding + flak for melee weapons that arenāt good vs carapace
Yes itās better than DC sword
tall torrent
IDK if HSWord can deal with the stuff in havoc40
Dreg seed itās good
Scab seed you cope
grand perch
the fact seeds exist makes the entire idea of making more weapons valid for havoc kind of irrelevant
if you dont pick a weapon thats great regardless of seed, youll suffer
tall torrent
Ye
agile mango
is trench fighter drill really worth it on HSWORD?
agile forge
The mark IX is different from the others, bit easier but doesn't have the same fancy rager group-killing trick iirc
I only ever played with the IX though
One of them has like a weirdly diagonal strikedown that can do silly things with Deathblow
arctic ridge
Someone tell me, what's the best that a revolver veteran brings to a squad at high difficulty?
Cause so far today, quickplaying into several revolver veterans, it's been frustrating to play alongside with.
agile forge
Revolver Veteran is typically a melee veteran I think?
agile forge
that's abusing weapon specialist to avoid reloading their anti-elite/special bangstick
arctic ridge
Revolver Veteran is typically a melee veteran I think?
The ones I quickplayed with, either used DS or knife. Only one odd one out, uses mace.
agile forge
I sometimes do it with a power sword 6 or a combat axe, idk
actually I can't remember what I normally take with it now, it's been ages
tall torrent
is trench fighter drill really worth it on HSWORD?
there're only 2 weapons I find it's skippable
tac axe
duelling sword
arctic ridge
Am trying to wonder, how much is the faults of the other squadmates, vs. the shortcomings of a revolver vet.
tidal fox
tall torrent
Am trying to wonder, how much is the faults of the other squadmates, vs. the sho...
if ur good enough, it's usually on ur own fault
arctic ridge
if ur good enough, it's usually on ur own fault
Huh?
tall torrent
yea
arctic ridge
I don't understand what that means?
tall torrent
if ur good enough it's usually smth u can tell that u did wrong that causes a wipe
if ur not good enough then it's easier to blame teammates
tidal fox
only time you can definitively blame the team is if they blew up a barrel or poxy to your face
š
torpid grotto
Am trying to wonder, how much is the faults of the other squadmates, vs. the sho...
The only way to tell for sure is to download the scoreboard mod and check if their damage and specialist kills are generally within the range of what youād expect from that build
tidal fox
The only way to tell for sure is to download the scoreboard mod and check if the...
no this is incorrect
too many factors to tell here
@arctic ridge I've played with you before havent I
arctic ridge
if ur good enough it's usually smth u can tell that u did wrong that causes a wi...
The first game of today, I can understand, not enough melee to overcome the Maelstrom's onset of hordes.
My other quickplays of today though -- the revolver veterans I've been alongside with, were pretty much depleted of ammo before we even reached 1/3 of the given map, which left them with their melee weapon til the next ammo tin. Which left us whittled to death by the long-range enemies.
tidal fox
you played ogryn and zealot with me twice
arctic ridge
too many factors to tell here
Yea, which is why I, wondered about today's squad deficiencies vs. revolver shortcomings.
tall torrent
The first game of today, I can understand, not enough melee to overcome the Mael...
what build did that revolver vet use
cuz I actually have a recorded 20 min VOD of my clutch with revolver vet lol
arctic ridge
what build did that revolver vet use
So far I can see from the dead-viewer -- dueling swords x2, 2 knives, & 1 odd one out with the power mace.
tall torrent
So far I can see from the dead-viewer -- dueling swords x2, 2 knives, & 1 odd on...
ok so bad build
tidal fox
they might be noobs
tall torrent
tidal fox
if theyre running ds with revolver
cause no hordeclear
or theyre doing some bullshit MMF revolver
arctic ridge
you played ogryn and zealot with me twice
Yea, after months of veteran & getting a little familiar with the game & maps, only recently starting new classes.
arctic ridge
they might be noobs
I wonder. 2 of the revolver vets carried the havoc forged titles, but maybe those were attained by other classes.
tall torrent
revolver is a very strong gun on vet
arctic ridge
or theyre doing some bullshit MMF revolver
How's the power mace?
tidal fox
but if youre running knife/ds with revolver you're relying a lot on teammates to horde clear
so I have no idea what your teammates are doing
lmao
arctic ridge
revolver is a very strong gun on vet
Yea, it is, but against a specilist-heavy seed, I wonder if its ammo economy can hold up. But of course, some of the squad does some of the lifting.
tidal fox
depends on the map
arctic ridge
Ideally speaking, of course.
tall torrent
Yea, it is, but against a specilist-heavy seed, I wonder if its ammo economy can...
it does, just look at the VOD I posted above
it's plenty fine
I shot way more than I needed and it was still fine
tidal fox
from my experience the only way youre running out of ammo on revolver is if youre using it for no reason
I rely on melee to clear bunches of specialists up
arctic ridge
shock maul is meh
From what I understand, it's novelty is mainly, stun against champion captains?
tall torrent
From what I understand, it's novelty is mainly, stun against champion captains?
it doesn't stun captains or champions or twins
it actually doesn't excel in anything lol
just like most melee weapons in the game
tidal fox
it actually doesn't excel in anything lol
arctic ridge
it actually doesn't excel in anything lol
That's the impression I had from my leveling experience of it vs. the other vet melee.
jaunty tinsel
Am trying to wonder, how much is the faults of the other squadmates, vs. the sho...
first rule of horde shooters:
EVERYTHING is your fault
can't clutch? your fault
can't carry? your fault
jaunty tinsel
and don't even get me STARTED on going down
jaunty tinsel
tbh
for real
this is actually how i approach DT unironically. it makes me a little stressed so i cant play too many but i do think its a healthier mindset
vs "fuck you i got my scoreboard numbers high"
tidal fox
I dont have a scoreboard but honestly the shittier the teammates are the better
means you gotta do more
and your brain gotta do more
so it makes it more fun in taht regard
jaunty tinsel
that one time when you actually DO clutch makes you feel like fucking Achilles
tidal fox
I couldnt use double barrel much
cause every game I took it with me I barely got the chance to proc weapon specialist
since teammates were clearing fucking everything
so no fun
jaunty tinsel
its a lot more fun than it seems like it'd be, i still ended up going recon lasgun after i leveled it
but there were a lot more painful weapons to level
tidal fox
shock maul...
jaunty tinsel
YEAHHHH single-shot autogun let's go!
arctic ridge
since teammates were clearing fucking everything
That's also been my experience with with my double-barrel plays. I don't get much utility, never mind fun, from it, so far.
surreal rune
https://youtu.be/9V2SfjKFNCs
what mod did you use to get rid of exe stance's fisheye
tall torrent
I just spammed weapon sacrifice lol
tall torrent
what mod did you use to get rid of exe stance's fisheye
constantFOV
jaunty tinsel
I just spammed weapon sacrifice lol
i did for falchion but i kinda wanted to level them the old fashioned way so that i at least knew how they played
tall torrent
this is my current modlist
ConstantFov
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LessDoT
danger_zone
scoreboard
creature_spawner
enemies_improved
helbore_passive_charge
GlobalStore
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tidal fox
That's also been my experience with with my double-barrel plays. I don't get muc...
sometimes tho when you see mass gunner/shotgunner spawning in front of you and your team is distracted
the feeling is ecstacy
jaunty tinsel
regarding if a build sucks or if its ur team, imo if u cant do good on ur own then the build should be stronger
especially on higher difficulties u cant really leave a gap in your abilities with the mindset of "someone else will cover it" like horde or elites or w/e
bcuz if they go down then ur just fucked, and everyone goes down, even the best players aren't perfect
tidal fox
i mean you can if you have a team that'll cover your weaknesses
but in pubs you HAVE to be an all rounder
jaunty tinsel
i mean you can if you have a team that'll cover your weaknesses
someone raised the good point that even in this case it's not really that good because if just one person goes down that can cause a whole wipe like a domino effect
arctic ridge
sometimes tho when you see mass gunner/shotgunner spawning in front of you and y...
Nice when within an enclosed space.
tidal fox
someone raised the good point that even in this case it's not really that good b...
depends on the team dynamics
but this is true
jaunty tinsel
it does for sure
im not saying its impossible, just even in organized premades its very dangerous
tidal fox
I'd rather everyone be all rounders anyways cause all-rounder builds are still cracked on the same level as specialized builds
jaunty tinsel
yeah for sure
arctic ridge
but in pubs you HAVE to be an all rounder
Indeed, though it does kind of make the inevitable trade-off between, tree-varieties vs. consistent best chance of victory.
tidal fox
yeah
sadly ever since I hopped on weapon specialist the other vet keystones feel like huge caps on what I can do
jaunty tinsel
i think everyone should be building to win, getting top kills but a loss isn't anything but copium
tidal fox
compared to the glorious right side of the tree
jaunty tinsel
sadly ever since I hopped on weapon specialist the other vet keystones feel like...
im able to get MMF without losing that much ability via the power sword
it's so nice as just a "it's good even if you don't invest in it" weapon
arctic ridge
compared to the glorious right side of the tree
It makes for a nice generalist for the vet, yea.
Though the mid-to-bottom left side of the tree, I find more weapon fun for me personally. But it calls for a several things to really enable its in-game effectiveness over its, shortcomings.
arctic ridge
sadly ever since I hopped on weapon specialist the other vet keystones feel like...
Which weapon combos, do you regularly run with WS?
tall torrent
sadly ever since I hopped on weapon specialist the other vet keystones feel like...
FT is honestly pretty comparable
arctic ridge
Especially in the boss spawn seeds & havoc.
tall torrent
it does hit considerably harder than WS for single target dps
orchid hemlock
Must not say SKILL DIFF
tall torrent
Which weapon combos, do you regularly run with WS?
power sword/rashad + plasma/revolver/vig auto/combat shotgun/DB shotgun/boltpistol/laspistol
tidal fox
^
tidal fox
I mean, in terms of your personal fun.
uhhh generally a good dodgey melee and something that'll control ranged pests
if I really wanna win I run powersword and plasma gun
I like being speedy tho
arctic ridge
if I really wanna win I run powersword and plasma gun
Almost the same. In terms of my other fun so far with WS, bolt pistol has been a consistent experience.
gentle lake
why do vets keep using recon lasgun in havoc
arctic ridge
The presumed impression of less-crusher spawn patch, I reckon?
gentle lake
And never exec stance w helbore
tall torrent
why do vets keep using recon lasgun in havoc
cuz it's easy and simple
torpid grotto
no this is incorrect
The scoreboard doesnāt tell the whole story, but Iāve never seen a good performance that had substandard dmg/specialist kills for their build
tall torrent
The scoreboard doesnāt tell the whole story, but Iāve never seen a good performa...
^
arctic ridge
why do vets keep using recon lasgun in havoc
Amusingly, I wouldn't be surprised if it's due to that Mister E video -- Vet Build that clears Havoc 40 Easy -- that had the Recon Lasgun.
torpid grotto
Specialist kills are probably the best indicator of how well you played I think
On any class/build
torpid grotto
Yeah