veteran-class

[unreal nova]

Yes, you still dump mobility.

[solid grail]

but I wana go fest 😗

[unreal nova]

You go down 50 tiers and then you hit pen dump, but uncanny nerf so terrible idea now.

So increase it to going down 100 tiers then pen dump.

Because breakpoint for 1x crusher damage requires not dumping pen now.

[solid grail]

that's all fine and well, but we're talking malice expeditions here, so pen dump should do fine

[steep flower]

You speedrun them as is… don’t need to dump mob

[steep flower]

Dump dmg if you wanna dump smth else than mobility

[torpid grotto]

I usually dump damage. some people did pen before the uncanny nerf

[willow prairie]

why are you dumping damage on knife

[pseudo fiber]

Tanner told them to

[willow prairie]

the weapon with literally the best mobility in the game and you're not dumping mobility

[shrewd topaz]

[unreal nova]

I literally tried saying that.

[torpid grotto]

60 dmg is fine if you wanna have fun with the fastest possible thing in the game

[tame lodge]

No no no

You dump pen

Then you compensate with Uncanny

[proud bluff]

Is it worth using withering fire with the recon lasgun?

[tame lodge]

Not really

1.5 cleave base

With Withering you'd get 2.25

Which is fine but not fine enough

[somber axle]

Only on the Recon Mk XIV

It has base 3 cleave so you can get actual value out of Withering Fire and squeeze a little more value with it by going Dum Dum + Deathspitter over Dum Dum + Infernus on the other variants

It isn't worth using Withering Fire with the Recon Mk VIc or Recon Mk XII

[surreal rune]

this is very fun

[tame lodge]

Is this like

Fatmangus?

[surreal rune]

i had like 2 spare points for it yeah

precog riposte ds feels as though it has much of the same damage as uncanny

which precog gets even more because of duelist

[pseudo fiber]

When is fatmangus vet dropping

[fading yarrow]

Isn't fatmangus Vet just VoC Plasma Vet with Health Curios

[turbid ibex]

Not really

[fading yarrow]

Or is fatmangus a meme

[turbid ibex]

Fatmangus does hp tanking and vet has 0 sources of non toughness dr iirc

[tame lodge]

Fatmangus is a legit build
Bit unorthodox but it's legit

"Facetank the world"

[fallow beacon]

can ogryn be fatmungus?

[tame granite]

ogryn doesn't have the "regen to 25% health" passive so no

[tame lodge]

That's a chunky boy

I only have one with 400 hp

400something

[fallow beacon]

i blew like 8k melk bucks and got 3 20% health curios

i dont actually use them on anything i just have em for the meme

[fading yarrow]

Watched Big Dom's new H40 meta Vet build

[turbid ibex]

Who

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-black-suit-symbiote-suit-sam-raimi-spider-man-spider-man-3-tobey-maguire-gif-15219726636599375071

I kinda want to try to do the True Survivor grind again..

[fading yarrow]

Grenade Vet guy

[turbid ibex]

Idk who that is

[fading yarrow]

https://youtube.com/@big-dom?si=hkkjB9xi2o3UceCD

Check him out, good stuff

[tame lodge]

[without watching]
Trash build dawg

What the fuck is that

Checked the power sword

It has Slaughterer

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-phone-speed-legendary-stream-speed-phone-gif-4108923420328591811

[turbid ibex]

No unarmored on plasma

[tame lodge]

I was about to say that the talents are pretty standard

But then

No Precision Strikes

You already know my opinion on builds lacking it

[fading yarrow]

He reaches 1-2 shot kills on non-cara enemies without it

[tame lodge]

No Precision Strikes

🗣️

Bad build

🗣️

[fading yarrow]

Higui

More like

Sillui

Gottem

[tame lodge]

[turbid ibex]

Also no one motion or agile

[steep flower]

Ye he pepega

[steep flower]

That does more stagger on ragers btw = good cause better CC

From small to medium stagger threshold

[tame lodge]

Doesn't matter
Psword already staggers them

🚬

[steep flower]

Staggers for longer = safer to engage

[tame lodge]

Doesn't matter

Psword already staggers them

🚬

[steep flower]

Longer stagger = safer engage

[tame lodge]

Dude

I don't want to hit you with the skill issue gif dawg

😭

Doesn't matter

Psword already staggers

[steep flower]

On a dog mobility weapon where if you get hit you get fked

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Already staggers them

Don't get hit dawg

[steep flower]

And with slaughty it does it better = obv better; rest is ez dodge but ragers are the worst

[steep flower]

Idgaf bruv

Its better

[tame lodge]

It already staggers

So it doesn't matter

[steep flower]

And now it does it better for enemies that matter the most

[tame lodge]

Which is none because it already staggers

🚬

Listen mate

We're just going on a loop here

Imma save my time and yours

[steep flower]

Does it for longer = safer

[tame lodge]

And disengage

[steep flower]

Gottem

[olive halo]

are u guys still running uncanny + mercy killer for knives or nah

[steep flower]

[steep flower]

Uncanny… kinda fell off now…

[tame lodge]

Never did

[steep flower]

Atleast for knife

[tame lodge]

[olive halo]

yeah, thats why Im asking

[tame lodge]

I've been running riposte Precognition forever now

[olive halo]

wanna see whats the replacement

[tame lodge]

Well

If you want like sustained damage

It's mercy killer executor

If you want burst
Precognition Riposte

Like me

[olive halo]

Im tempted cuz Im already taking both reciprocity and desperado

[steep flower]

Executor
sustained damage
Thats a prime KEK

[olive halo]

so like, thats +55% crit if I take riposte too

[tame lodge]

You hit heads

[olive halo]

is just a regular knoife

[tame lodge]

Infinite strength uptime

What are you talking about dawg

I refuse to believe you can't hit heads

[steep flower]

Resets to 0 on body
Dogshit

[tame lodge]

Yeah on body

Just hit heads

[olive halo]

standard issue london open carry

[tame lodge]

C'mon man

I know you can do it

[steep flower]

Ye its ez

[tame lodge]

I refuse to believe you have bad headshot rate

[steep flower]

A brittish classic

[tame lodge]

You're papa willy

There's no way you can't hit heads

Oh also

Executor is global strength iirc

So it also boosts your bleeds

In this case for frags

[steep flower]

Its true; uptime is still bad - if only it lasted longer than 2s it would have been nice but alas

[olive halo]

Real?

Never knew that

[steep flower]

I know
Just the complete reset & timer is dogshit

Thus bad

[tame lodge]

I still refuse to believe you can't hit heads every 2 seconds with a knife

It's a knife dawg

So yeah

Mercy Killer Exec
Or
Riposte Precognition

[steep flower]

Might be doing other things you know like… taking care of ranged threats while shredders deal with melee blob

I like to multitask

Atleast in this game…

[tame lodge]

Smh my head

[steep flower]

[atomic void]

flesh tearer lacerate

[tame lodge]

Broke

[atomic void]

woke

[tame lodge]

Woke: Haymaker Backstab

[steep flower]

Coke

[tame lodge]

The true 1 shot blessing

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

[steep flower]

I unironically use haymaker on a knife on pure range desperado HS & its good

It serves its purpose

[tame lodge]

*on Hiver

Smh my head

[steep flower]

Cause for some reason

[olive halo]

hiver, the website you can hire your own ganger

[steep flower]

Ye; pure range build - knife is for pickpocket only

[tame lodge]

Better name than scummer

[olive halo]

tf is this skulls thing?

[steep flower]

Also funny to 1 shot things

[olive halo]

I just restarted my game and saw the countdown

[steep flower]

And get ammo so you can keep shooting instead of wasting time

[olive halo]

mechanicus tomorrow??

[tame lodge]

Warhammer event

[steep flower]

A event

[tame lodge]

It's pretty much a big showcase

[steep flower]

Global warhammer?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[steep flower]

Oh

[olive halo]

so its not darktide related?

[tame lodge]

It is because of Warhammer

[olive halo]

its like minis and shit

and 1000 books

[tame lodge]

More like games and shit

Rogue Trader

Dow

What else is coming

[olive halo]

mmm nah Im good then

I enjoy 2 parts of warhammer, and that is vermintide and darktide

[tame lodge]

It's also the 10th anniversary

[fading yarrow]

Well they'll be revealing the new DT class at Skulls

[olive halo]

mechanicus tomorrow??

[tame lodge]

Last year, in Darktide we got an event with 500 aquilas on the line

[olive halo]

ye I was part of that

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-2509913010626313952

[fading yarrow]

Mechanicus Thursday but pretty much

[tame lodge]

Have you ever played Darktide with 500 aquilas on the line

[olive halo]

Im gonna save the hl2 despair meme in advance, bcz Im almost certain even if we do get it it'll be like

[tame lodge]

🗣️

From the recent little teaser

We got a servo skull

[olive halo]

Coming in 17 months

[tame lodge]

And some zappy weapon

[olive halo]

or some shit like that

[tame lodge]

What section of admechs can have a servo skull

[olive halo]

it annoyed me that they revealed hive ganger like... 2? months in advance

[steep flower]

Its called hype

[olive halo]

just release it 2 months later and dont tell me

I'd be happier

[olive halo]

2 months is wayy too long to generate hype

you'd be losing hype eventually

and then all you're left with is interest

[tame lodge]

Totally forgot about Warhammer Survivors

💀

[olive halo]

that's fair, surivor genre moment

[pastel yew]

idk the release schedules for the classes is usually like

announcement > slight delay > period of early access for creators

[fading yarrow]

A month out from reveal

[pastel yew]

its not much of a wait and makes sense idk

[fading yarrow]

Delay between reveal and release was actually shorter than Arbites since the reveal got delayed by a week

[steep flower]

Never heard of that… must be ancient

[fading yarrow]

Warhammer Survivors is an upcoming Vampire Survivors clone

[olive halo]

yeah but I somehow managed to miss the arby teaser trailer

so I had no idea until they released it

hence it didn't really bother me

anyways worst part gotta be they didnt even announce a new rock

ogryn needs more pet rocks

[void elk]

I'm really torn between Exe vs Voice

I like using ranged and the former makes me a countersniper who deletes ranged and special

but Voice is great when I need to revive people during a horde and I need to clutch

you can argue that a good run should not have people going down in the first place, but so many random mistakes can happen, like people getting blocked due to geometry and getting netted etc. The higher the difficulty, the more important clutching becomes as well

but on the other hand, it's mostly ranged enemies and specials that pose the greatest threats in suddenly wiping teams

[narrow widget]

this is good 😭 🙏 🙏
shout can't just be the most overwhelmingly good option for every situation

now if we just replaced infiltrate

[void elk]

yeah I just can't seem to decide

[heavy rover]

yeah I feel you

I use voice even on my helbore build

[narrow widget]

I used to pray for times like this

[heavy rover]

at 15 stacks of marksman focus I'm still pretty happy with the a countersniper role

[turbid ibex]

exestance is really strong

its not really a ranged ability even

[heavy rover]

I also throw smokes a lot so all ranged enemies just end up running around like ants

pick them off one by one

[turbid ibex]

honestly the ranged damage bonus might be the least important of its effects lol

[void elk]

the zooming, swapping and outlining really help me. sometimes the dark map and the enemies just blur together

[turbid ibex]

outlines are insanely powerful on the hands of a competent player yeah

[heavy rover]

instead of outlines I just shoot back at the muzzle flash

[turbid ibex]

the instaswap helps with bolter and helbore too with their really long draw times

[narrow widget]

highk I would want to play more if they fixed the art direction

ik it's supposed to be dark tide

but my god it's hard to see

[void elk]

I tried my best with helbore but to be honest the laspistol is just more agile overall. Too many "I'm sliding during horde and I need to quickly pop off a special" situations.

[surreal rune]

try the heavy helbore with surgical

it can almost one shot crushers

[void elk]

the laspistol is very forgiving if I miss because it just keeps firing

the helbore makes me curse the ogryn players because they have a telepathic passive where they will block my snipe when I most need it

[surreal rune]

sometimes i wish friendly fire were a thing so i could cosplay the guard and frag the psyker

[heavy rover]

commissar RP would go crazy

[shrewd topaz]

best i can do is no

[narrow widget]

beam the other vets

[split estuary]

What guns should I use when I get to the endgame, I've been using the Agripinaa and Accatran Combat Shotgun. I was wondering what other guns I should focus on

[narrow widget]

most guns are viable but people usually use helbore, bolter, plas gun, las pistol

up to ur personal choice on what feels best

[turbid ibex]

pretty much anything except for braced autoguns

also agripina is the better option for combat shotguns over the other two marks

most weapons have one mark that outperforms the other options

[narrow widget]

unless your name is helbore

[split estuary]

The Helbore looks cool

[void elk]

laspistol for life
it's incredibly mobile, fast to swap, deletes bosses etc.
If you take the rending talents it can also kill crushers, but ideally your krak and teammates will do that.

[narrow widget]

become a bolter bro
who needs """"mobility"""" and """"ammo economy"""" anyway

[void elk]

heck the laspistol is so mobile sometimes I just dance around horde and pop headshots the whole fight

I used to like the quickswapping nature of revolver, but laspistol just doesn't ever need to reload and I can spam

[split estuary]

Does the Laspistol deal with armor well?

[dreamy spade]

Idk why everyone says laspistol is mobile when it has 3 dodges (same as most guns) and short dodge distance

[void elk]

it deletes maulers and ragers just fine
only crushers require the 2 rending talents

[void elk]

it's mainly the quickswapping nature of it. You ideally are fighting horde, and you need to be able to quickswap

just having the ability to pop off a special during a slide is awesome

[split estuary]

Is the Rashad good in the endgame?

[void elk]

you can try other guns but laspistol will always be the fastest (ok revolver too)

[narrow widget]

very

very very good

[void elk]

I still have not decided my melee weapon yet. maul, axe, psword, pfalchion, all seem nice

does powered falchion always stagger a rager ?

or only power sword does that?

[narrow widget]

falch is pretty mid just use ps6

[fading yarrow]

Summary Court-Martial: Target a Player and shoot them with a pistol to knock them into a Downed state. Players within 20 feet of the deserter receive +25% increased damage, +10% Rending on all attacks and +15% Movement Speed for 15 seconds.

[void elk]

falchion has the advantage of safe charging (counting as block) and not having to charge for each swing

but it seems to sacrifice stagger in comparison

[narrow widget]

power sword charge is pretty much instant regardless

[hollow ibex]

and a massive downside of turning off for a long period of time

[narrow widget]

and once you get into the rhythm you just destroy everything in front

[hollow ibex]

and when turned off, it's nearly useless

[void elk]

what do people think about the dodge penalties of power sword ?

[narrow widget]

outweighed by how hilariously op it is in every other respect

[turbid ibex]

no

[turbid ibex]

it sacrifices a fuckton of stuff

[turbid ibex]

also the heat gauge isnt even inherently an advantage

[hollow ibex]

it only is an advantage if you can't safely handle PS power ons

[tame lodge]

It's bearable

[turbid ibex]

also yeah its manageable

specially with weapon specialist

[brave acorn]

It’s almost like falchion has a different role than psword…

[turbid ibex]

yeah

the role of being mid af

[tame lodge]

I agree

The role of falchion is to appease the people that don't want to turn on the sword every 3 swings

It just so happens that those same people live in mediocrity and are ok with it

Which is really sad

[hearty panther]

Idk that's fine by me lmao

I'll take new but mediocre over old and tired.

[tame lodge]

See?
They're ok with mediocrity

It's really sad

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-bell-gif-27646997

PS remaining the strongest melee weapon for years on end

maybe since release?

[hearty panther]

In the exact same way no less.

I think only the perk choices have changed.

Still the same blessings, still the same moveset loop, still the same mark.

Oh wait no there was a change

L3 used to be L4 and vice versa

[tidal fox]

They see psword absolutely dominating every other melee

And think thats perfectly fine

[tame lodge]

You know what they say

Fatshark knows what they are doing

[tidal fox]

The shark wouldn't be fat if they knew what they were doing smh

[hollow ibex]

honestly i'm ok with it

because it's PS

not the easiest melee to use for many

[olive halo]

I was literally so happy when they were adding a power sword that was like the relic blade but for vet

and then tried it and just

got my hopes up for nothing

[tame lodge]

💀

Truly sad

Saddest part is the blessings

[void elk]

They should buff falchion stagger

[narrow widget]

nerf charged state and make power cycle inherent

and buff uncharged

ez

[void elk]

If it can stagger ragers that's all I need

[narrow widget]

oh wait NVM ur talking abt falch

buff uncharged

[void elk]

Yeah it's just not very useful when ragers will fuck you up

[pastel yew]

I loved the like year long wait vet had for it

"vets wont be left out for long" >> gets their weapon almost a year later and its a temu clone of the zealot weapon

[lament isle]

Hello lovely people of the emperor can someone tell me how did he make his veteran melee so fast?

https://youtu.be/V0wN559-cbM?t=18m56s

[hearty panther]

i have no idea

seems more like shitty frame performance on console than actual attack speed cause nothing notable is going on

[quaint marsh]

Maybe a little lag too

Saw the walkers rubber band at least a little

[hearty panther]

cause yea the guy doesnt even have melee spec procced as far as i can tell

so his only attack speed would be trench fighter

pretty sure its just awful console frame pacing

[lament isle]

Oh ok i see

But what is trench fighter?

[hearty panther]

its on xbox too

[olive halo]

yeah its lag, I get a similar experience when my ping is at 200+

[olive halo]

+10% attack speed talent

[hearty panther]

trench fighter is 10% attack speed node

its been around for a while

so he would have it there, probably

[lament isle]

Oh so that's the more attack speed perk

[pastel yew]

afaik the only ways to increase attack speed on vet are trench fighter for +10% and weapon spec keystone for another +15%

[hollow ibex]

Drugs

Err

Stimms

[pastel yew]

ahh yeah that too

[hearty panther]

no scum a year ago and no arby on the team for aquila

no blue stimm icon or distortion

so its just standard attack speed or trench fighter at most

its just awful performance

so some attack frames dont even show

[woeful field]

Does the sway and crit buffs from deadshot stop when you run out of stam

[hearty panther]

yea

[woeful field]

Darn

Might get a stamina buff of some sort then

Im rocking inf las and the passive sway makes it a bitch to use without it

[hollow ibex]

if you take one stam curio

and MMF or FT's stam recovery node

it helps with sustaining deadshot a lot

but deadshot also is generally mid

[woeful field]

Im not hitting shots with the passive sway on this gun so its worthwhile to me

And my survivability is decent anyway

[gritty furnace]

Am I tripping or something I could've sworn there was a reduced threat node

[woeful field]

I hit a last man standing clutch yesterday in damnation

[hollow ibex]

yeah infil

the infil subnode

low profile?

[gritty furnace]

Yeah no I could've sworn there was actually a passive node though

[woeful field]

I might try a stealth build with inflas

[tame lodge]

Like ages ago

[gritty furnace]

Smh they take the hivescums reduced threat node and now the vets

[hearty panther]

oh camo vet

that shit was terrible

[gritty furnace]

Was terrible yes, but was kinda useful with the helbore support build

[woeful field]

Wish inf las had a burst mode instead of a flashlight

[gritty furnace]

Las shotgun imagine

[signal garden]

i imagine the problem with a laser disco ball, or anything resembling it is the orks probably already have one

[obtuse crescent]

I've run out of Diamantine upgrading things on Vet. I never realized just how much they have access too

[hollow ibex]

yah vet's got a huge arsenal

[turbid ibex]

yah vet's got a huge arsenal

[hollow ibex]

[turbid ibex]

big slappy mod for darktide when

[sly dragon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e4354c4-f084-4501-a897-ccf5a8fc92b5/big-doms-krieg-grenadier-havoc-40 thoughts on this build?

[tame lodge]

Does it have Precision Strikes?

[turbid ibex]

im gonna look into it

but just so you know

if i find a dogshit build

i will point out its a dogshit build

[latent star]

Yeah, it is :p

[sly dragon]

no it's meant to be more of a hybrid build so it has focus target instead he does note it's not a meta build but it is a fun build

[tame lodge]

Oh so it's dogshit

[latent star]

it burns us

[tame lodge]

Sorry

[viscid sigil]

isn't No Respite bugged so it doesn't even work?

[turbid ibex]

always run surgical on helbore

always

[sly dragon]

don't apologize i ask for thoughts on it i didn't wanna be soft-balled on it's quality

[latent star]

So to be a bit more constructive: Helbore's big advantages are the excellent blessings Surgical and Weight of Fire (especially on the MKV, which is slow as shit).

[sly dragon]

if i didn't want to know i wouldn't ask

[latent star]

Skipping Surgical is an automatic no.

[tame lodge]

Armourbane? 💀

[viscid sigil]

just charging to full should give you +30 crit chance from ads alone

[turbid ibex]

mk4 is the slow one

mk5 is the fastest iirc

[latent star]

Then why the hell does it have carapace on it?!?!?!?!

brain hurts

[turbid ibex]

but you still want surgical on it

[sly dragon]

i've heard that it's not really possible to do a melee build or hybrid build with helbore

[latent star]

You can

[turbid ibex]

you can

[latent star]

Its a question of priorities but you can be solid in melee while running Helbore

[turbid ibex]

its just not going to be as good as other options

[sly dragon]

tbf i'm not looking for meta

[latent star]

I don't think its about meta, this is just a bad build.

[turbid ibex]

yeah theres a lot of issues here

specially not taking shocktrooper

[latent star]

Its using blessings and talents and such without any real reason.

[sly dragon]

but rawk pretty directly told me it's not really feasible to do it with helbore you kinda have to hyperfocus ranged apparently

[latent star]

Nah, not true

[turbid ibex]

helbore lives and dies by shocktrooper

[turbid ibex]

its def one of the least good options for a build like that

but its more so a case of why would you run helbore over something else than helbore just straight up not working

[latent star]

Vet can "be melee" if they take O4B and go down to skirmisher on the right. THat's enough to "be melee"

[sly dragon]

damn, i was hoping to do a pretty accurate krieg build too because i just bought the drip

[latent star]

You get a ton of toughness regen killing chaff, you get +crit on dodge, you get melee crit and finesse.

[turbid ibex]

if youre doing a grenadier build you should go for boltpistol instead too

[hybrid plover]

It's not awful.

[latent star]

The issue helbore generally has with melee is you generally want a fast, flexible melee weapon because the sprint speed on helbore is very slow

[hybrid plover]

But don't run No Respite.

[sly dragon]

so.... shovel?

[hybrid plover]

It's bugged.

[latent star]

so your options are somewhat limited unless you plan to spend the entire game catching up

[turbid ibex]

eh not really

tac axe is pretty much the perfect melee for ranged focused builds

[latent star]

Shovel works. I'd run the MK1 if you're doing the MK4 helbore because the MK4 is decent against carapace, otherwise use one of the other shovels. Its not the best pick but it isn't terrible.

I would +1 tac axe.

[sly dragon]

do kriegsmen use bolt pistol i was under the impression it's either that or plasma gun

[viscid sigil]

Power sword 60 cleave + brutal momentum
who cares about cleave when you have infinite cleave on heads

[turbid ibex]

idk

[latent star]

combat knife, tac axe both good picks

[viscid sigil]

shock maul skull crusher

[turbid ibex]

but not running bistol on grenadier builds is a big loss cause no lethal proximity

[latent star]

the maul's big weakness is it can't deal with maniacs very well unless you take suboptimal blessings. Its otherwise pretty fun.

maul is in the "sure it works" tier. Use it if you want to, it has some benefits but there's also valid reasons it isn't meta.

[turbid ibex]

also tbh you dont even need O4B

[hybrid plover]

Confirmed Kill is more than enough.

[latent star]

(you don't need anything)

[viscid sigil]

just dodge

[latent star]

power sword is basically melee-in-a-can

but if you want to build for being good in melee I think you can get to a point where you're solid with fairly minimal investment

[viscid sigil]

basically "I don't want to deal with melee trash mobs today" weapon + some crusher value

[hollow ibex]

shrimply never get hit

[latent star]

O4B + 3 points into the right tree gets you a good set of melee stats.

you can do more or less, but its an easy investment.

[sly dragon]

tbh i don't know what a good build would look like for that idea so just kinda go off builds on gameslantern

[turbid ibex]

pinned guide

most builds on gameslantern are dogshit

oh for fucks sake

[sly dragon]

i mean most of my builds are from rawk and they've served me pretty well so far

[viscid sigil]

use Q's for maximum meta

[viscid sigil]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/user/qiangiq

[drowsy perch]

wtf is this

[sly dragon]

i have wanted to do an electricity vet at some point

[turbid ibex]

check pinned guide and the class channels for builds instead

[sly dragon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/user/rawk

[viscid sigil]

unironically suggests using power falchion

https://giphy.com/gifs/robert-downey-jr-sigh-confused-116a8zosxwA0SI

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-patchouli-patchouli-knowledge-fumo-fumo-fumo-gif-10350995946798374469

[viscid sigil]

only reason to use power falchion is if you want to play more heat minigames because normal DT is boring now

[sly dragon]

i think i might like this ngl, might go against the build slightly and choose out for blood for extra aggression

[turbid ibex]

+25 toughness should already work well enough for that

[sly dragon]

fair.

[turbid ibex]

they call it 007

0 redeeming features

[viscid sigil]

AS talent over blood imho

[turbid ibex]

0 reasons to use it over other weapons

[sly dragon]

AS?

[turbid ibex]

7+ buffs needed

[viscid sigil]

oh, you meant 04B
thought you were talking about Serrated (bleeding on melee)

AS = trench fighter

[turbid ibex]

attack speed isnt really needed for taxe

which is the melee the build recommends

[viscid sigil]

it helps loads when doing the max damage combo

and more AS = faster decimator and shred stack

[turbid ibex]

you dont use either

you use headtaker+bm

[viscid sigil]

https://giphy.com/gifs/moodman-news-morbo-tonight-at-11-L18eMUGDk3vcwOPUGw

you want to use BM, take Psword
it actually has cleave attacks

[turbid ibex]

so does tac axe

[willow prairie]

???????

[tame lodge]

Bro's powering through the cddc of taxe

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[neon current]

While shred works, not having BM feels so bad

[sly dragon]

and now i'm lost in terminology

[turbid ibex]

Brutal momentum

[tame lodge]

Cleave Damage Distribution Cap

[viscid sigil]

Where are the cleave attacks in this combo string?
Plz

[willow prairie]

bm ignore hitmass for up to 3 enemy that your cleave

[turbid ibex]

Push attack > heavy > light

[willow prairie]

💀

[turbid ibex]

Those icons mean fuck all

What actually matters is the damage profiles and swing direction

[tame lodge]

No no I agree
Taxe got no cleave

So it should have its CDDC removed

[sly dragon]

tbh i just find myself enjoying the shovel more

[willow prairie]

good thing shovel got killed this patch

[sly dragon]

sadness :<

[turbid ibex]

Eh not really

It went from mid to mid

Not much changed really

[sly dragon]

so many mixed signals

https://giphy.com/gifs/reactiongifs-LRVnPYqM8DLag

[viscid sigil]

it got an on paper buff of about 20~30% on average

which still leaves it mid to mid

but also lost the rending blessing like everyone else

so...

https://giphy.com/gifs/theoffice-the-office-tv-meeting-fXy3Bc6HAtlsFIlHqA

[willow prairie]

what buff 💀

[viscid sigil]

that is if FS actually did the changes they said they did, and didn't break something (stares at "No Respite")

[willow prairie]

it's literally just compensation for the uncanny nerf

[sly dragon]

tbf i'm mostly using it to clear hordes of chaffe so i can actually nail the damn specials

[willow prairie]

I mean taxe is better on ranged focus anyway

[latent star]

Shovel is fine.

It slaps lots of dudes. It isn't great against anything scary. Sometimes you just want to slap lots of dudes.

[sly dragon]

and that is exactly what i use it for

well that and ragers because god fucking DAMN it is hard to hit headshots on them

[latent star]

I think the uncanny change / nerf means there is less reason to use MK1 over the others

but it isn't a huge deal

[willow prairie]

It's still the best mark really

but other got better due to having no crusher

there more rager spawn now so it important that your melee can easily deal with them

[sly dragon]

i do find the helbore's special does do decent work at killing ragers up to damnation (as far as i've personally gotten because i'm still stuck LEVELING SHIT)

[viscid sigil]

don't get used to it
won't work on higher diffs

[turbid ibex]

Oh shit right ragers are more common now

Falchion users stay losing💀

[latent star]

helbore melee is unfortunately pretty weak. You can use it in a pinch but usually I'd just take Hot Swap instead and get used to switching weapons when you need to.

[viscid sigil]

DC users rise up

[latent star]

Its fine if a lone rager or some trash sneaks past your front line and you don't want to switch weapons but I wouldn't use it against anything dangerous

[sly dragon]

ah, gotcha

[unreal nova]

Throw 'nades and pray demo team.

[viscid sigil]

or hope you have an inferno psycher with you

who can spam m1

[sly dragon]

and then subsequently blind everyone

[viscid sigil]

just look harder

https://giphy.com/gifs/you-got-it-dude-aVtdz7iNVPI1W

[unreal nova]

But if everything is dead, does it matter?

[viscid sigil]

or retaliate with smoke grenades

mutually assured obfuscation

[unreal nova]

Then 4 other classes get annoyed.

Well, 3. Zealot pulls out flamer.

[viscid sigil]

Then the Ogryn can finish with Box of grenades, PBB Rumbler with blaze away

[unreal nova]

Oh, throw chems and lag the game.

Hit a horde and fps dies.

[viscid sigil]

and play on a server on the otherside of the planet to add to the issue

[unreal nova]

Don't need to purposely do that.

You just have to if you don't wanna true solo.

[viscid sigil]

https://giphy.com/gifs/parksandrec-season-5-parks-and-recreation-rec-gteEYQVBIFaEH0t2qf

[unreal nova]

Fatshark broke bots so they are completely useless.

[viscid sigil]

lol, servers were a bit too far

[unreal nova]

Server is dead where I am at.

Only has people on holidays or at a specific time slot.

[viscid sigil]

pretty much the same
got used to playing on 255 ping 'cuz of that

[willow prairie]

if you're rich enough betterbots + tertium 6 tbh

[latent star]

Everyone in this channel will tell you "just use the build guide." The build guide isn't always right for every play style, but you should use the build guide for everything until you understand why you'd change it. Its a very good default.

the nerf to Tactical Awareness combined with the buffs to Executioner's Stance are probably the biggest shifts in a sniper build vs. the guide IMO. I don't think you need to automatically take TA anymore (unless you're still using shout, which is fine for a safe team sniper setup). That lets you free up some points elsewhere.

[hybrid plover]

Shovel got better ADMs across the board

As a compensation for uncanny nerf

So it's innately better.

[willow prairie]

I literally stated its compensation

[hybrid plover]

I mean its still a buff regardless.

Whether it's impactful enough for someone or not is a different story but yeah

[latent star]

I do think with the changes the MKIII and MKVII shovels are a bit slept on, but more "actually OK" slept on not "secret OP" slept on.

[hybrid plover]

MKIII shovel is honestly not too shabby

[latent star]

Right!

and since you're less likely to run into surprise 20+ crushers, its anti-armor mode is actually pretty solid.

[hybrid plover]

ADM change actually did affect the latches quite significantly

[slow spade]

a lot of people tend to use the guides as "law" rather than as a "guide" to plan builds around

[latent star]

It struggled with crusher swarms because it was too slow in killing huge groups of them, but its perfectly fine at bonking a mauler very hard or giving a rager a very bad day.

[slow spade]

it's very sad to see :c

[hybrid plover]

And with Skullcrusher still being Skullcrusher, it actually puts in some real work now.

[latent star]

I think there's some fruastration with people asking "dumb" questions, but I think dumb questions are kind of the point of a class-specific channel.

[hybrid plover]

I just wish the latches on MKVII weren't as clunky

[latent star]

I'm not sure whether to do SC + Dec vs. SC + HB (or similar impact blessings) on MK3 though.

[hybrid plover]

That's the main thing stopping me from using it

[latent star]

SC + HB staggers everything, its nice.

[slow spade]

"what blessings for (insert weapons here)" stares at search bar

[hybrid plover]

Don't really need HB for the big Skullcrusher numbers with latches

[latent star]

No, I think its just leaning into it as a safe weapon that lets you pretend you're a Slapping Ogryn.

[somber axle]

That's very true. And like not every build/weapon needs Rending Strikes plus it's a lot of investment just for Bring It Down

[latent star]

The weapon already isn't doing any top tier DPS so might as well lean into it (is the theory).

[somber axle]

When you can just as easily grab Demo Team and call it a day

[latent star]

I think Demo Team + Born Leader might be something to look at with the Krak changes

[hybrid plover]

And while I do see it making horde control more safe, i think since Decimator provides strength, which helps impact anyway, is overall just a better option

[latent star]

if your points end up in a way where that's plausible

[latent star]

Fair

I guess I'd need to test out something complicated like "stacked decimator vs. stacked hammerblow for accidentally staggering a rager in a huge group of pox garbage" and I'm just not gonna do that right now :p

[hybrid plover]

I will say

One thing to give to HB

Rager stagger breakpoints

[latent star]

I did start using Heavy Sword on a WS Plasma Build, its fun.

[hybrid plover]

Heavy sword honestly winning this patch

[latent star]

its kind of a perfect match for plasma. Might be viable with Helbore too honestly, not sure though.

[hybrid plover]

The crusher numbers being brought down actually made it a more attractive option

[willow prairie]

that apply to most weapon

[hybrid plover]

And it mulches ragers so

[slow spade]

yeah heavy sword has been pretty fun c: I still struggle vs maulers but such is life

[unreal nova]

More or less unless up to soloing since bots won't unnet or pick up players anymore.

[torpid grotto]

it goes so insane on dreg seeds now

game feeds you infinite ragers to kill 4 at a time

[hollow ibex]

pov: bullying the poor

[sly dragon]

tbf usually if a build guide has everyone layed out like most do it's just easier to go with what the maker says over what you think

[fallen zealot]

How come every time I queue into a random Damnation mission, it's always with 3 bots?

Does nobody play Damnation or what?

[narrow frost]

depends on region and time

match making also might've broke from the most recent update as it often does

[fallen zealot]

That makes sense

[hollow ibex]

ded game

[drowsy perch]

i think damnation is just a spot where ppl play to unlock auric

its usually heresy or auric thats played

atleast thats where i find most ppl

[pallid jetty]

guys i need a video where cadian screams WATCH LEARN THEN KILL YOURSELF

[tall torrent]

This?

[pallid jetty]

found it myself, but thanks

[clever flicker]

For a recon lasgun build, which is the best variant to use? I cant decide between either the Mk XII or the Mk VIc

[hollow ibex]

here

[clever flicker]

Thank you!

[shrewd topaz]

Reject recon embrace helbore

[hollow ibex]

True true

[viscid sigil]

infantry las unite!

[shrewd topaz]

Speaking of I need to gamble a dclaw

[shrewd topaz]

The nefarious laspistol:

[somber axle]

Controversial take: all Lasguns are to be loved

there are no bad Lasguns

there are just some really good Lasguns

[unreal nova]

That just stomps the Ilas into the dirt.

[drowsy perch]

infantry las is just mid all around

it needs like

idk

heavy laspistol is just better inflas in every way

recon las is its own thing

[grand mango]

let me larp in peace

[drowsy perch]

im not saying inflas is bad

but fartshark needs to change it a bit

cause theres no reason to use it other than larp

[shrewd topaz]

At least give it full auto and no recoil already

Idk what actual niche you give it tho when shock trooper exists

[drowsy perch]

is inflas fullauto normally

i think its semi cause otherwise itd be reconlas

inflas should be like shovel

good at everything great at nothing

since thats its lore role

why else would all the troops use it

the darktide inflas is just kinda fucked up

[shrewd topaz]

Idk but fingy hurt so 🗿

[drowsy perch]

there is a fullauto mod

though thats definitely more on the cheaty mod end

[shrewd topaz]

And the recoil just being annoying

[drowsy perch]

(also i dont like how it feels)

it just feels very strange

[shrewd topaz]

Autoclicker in pve game ohno

🗿

[hollow ibex]

it's not cheaty

[drowsy perch]

idk how it actually works

[shrewd topaz]

It basically autoclicker

[hollow ibex]

it actually puts you at a disadvatnage lol

[shrewd topaz]

Probably

[drowsy perch]

and i mean cheaty just in the sense that you can probably shoot it faster than spam clicking

[shrewd topaz]

Bruh

[hollow ibex]

you're better off manually clicking

than using something like full auto

[drowsy perch]

yea i dont like how it feels

[shrewd topaz]

You can spam click max rpm easily

[hollow ibex]

you can't

[shrewd topaz]

Doing that for a full mission tho

[drowsy perch]

carpal tunners

[hollow ibex]

it's capped at the weapon rpm

[shrewd topaz]

💀

3 tries

[quaint marsh]

Why is is squished

[drowsy perch]

why it like that

[shrewd topaz]

because it is

[quaint marsh]

Dclaw the long way

[shrewd topaz]

fuck

[quaint marsh]

If you have the funds, do what I do. Buy like 30 white dclaws, consecrate them all once, then sac them to it. You get more sacrificial xp for a weapon of the same type, so it power levels it. Takes time and resources but its faster than leveling by hand

You can't sac white weapons, but i think the ex gained is tied to the rating more than the consecration level. I've done the same on a new character and it was much less efficient which is why i think it's tied to rating, since when you are lower level the weapons you buy have a lower starting rating

[prime wyvern]

okay you COULD do everything that person just said

or just get this mod and do it automatically

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/846

literally 30 seconds for a mastery 20 weapon if u have the resources

:3

[strong umbra]

ye this mod is goat just farm gold and u good to go

[prime wyvern]

you need plasteel too

[strong umbra]

just play havoc 40 weekly and ye u know ...

[unreal nova]

It kinda is since semiautos tend to being stronger than autos by being balanced by the fact one is auto and the other is usually fired slower in most cases.

[willow prairie]

laspistol

[unreal nova]

Can you fire max speed 100% during the run? You'll slow down at points or only rapid fire in bursts for reasons like tiredness.

[willow prairie]

I mean you don't need high cps to get value out of it

💀

pre buffer change hipster trained me

[unreal nova]

True, but the point is, it is cheaty because it does fire it as fast as an automatic without the usual damage penalties for being an automatic.

Though I guess a fix is Fatshark lowering the max RoF of Semiautos.

[hollow ibex]

both give you the same dps, i don't see the issue

it's just that one saves you from ruining your hands if you're a dad gamer

i've said this before, but something like full auto should just be a game option

[unreal nova]

Which is just too high when compared to autos. So they do more with said mod than an auto.

[hollow ibex]

no they don't

you can manually click and have the same dps

if anything auto clicking reduces fine control

and puts you at a disadvantage

[unreal nova]

I mean when compared to actual autos.

[hollow ibex]

why would you compare semis to full auto

that makes no sense

[unreal nova]

You usually trade auto and semi auto in the...

Autos tend to have less damage but hold trigger brrrrrr

Semi tends to have more damage because you manually need to click/pull trigger.

Such mods is a little on the cheaty end since you now have an semiauto firing as fast as an auto without that usual damage penalty per shot.

[shrewd topaz]

semis are balanced around carpal tunnel

[unreal nova]

Then you have the single shots that have an actual delay between shots usually having the highest damage per shot to compensate for it.

[unreal nova]

So when you take away that part, you just have a better automatic that non-modders can't have.

[shrewd topaz]

you have shit game design

[flint lake]

So after the uncanny change, what is the go to melee option? Is it still the saber?

[unreal nova]

You could just use a lower damage automatic instead of using a somewhat cheaty thing to turn a semiauto into an auto. It's a choice. I'm just saying that's how games usually balance guns.

[shrewd topaz]

you could not balance it around carpal tunnel

[unreal nova]

Thus, Fatshark should lower the max RoF for semiautos.

[shrewd topaz]

🗿

[unreal nova]

It should balance it out even with that technically unfair mod.

[shrewd topaz]

10/10 conclusion

[tall torrent]

still power sword VI

[unreal nova]

Because Semis are made stronger baseline to compensate for being MANUALLY FIRED.

Just say you enjoy cheating.

Don't need to lie.

[shrewd topaz]

😭

semi = stronger is the fakest balance ever it is literally around the fact you dont want carpel tunnel or arent literally impaired

[hybrid plover]

Yeah ngl having things being full auto should just be an accessibility option.

[hollow ibex]

pretty disappointing to see low effort bait coming from you

[hybrid plover]

It was like that for L4D and I'm pretty sure that was a big reason why.

[willow prairie]

karien

the 2 consoles player do need the fucking full auto as accessibility

😭

[shrewd topaz]

and if neither of these apply you just have op gun

e.g. arc raiders kettle

[hollow ibex]

and it's not even true

[hybrid plover]

Trying to constantly press a trigger on a controller will straight up ruin your hand after long enough.

[hollow ibex]

the strongest semi is what, laspis

sure, it's strong, but not stronger than plasma, DB, or helbore

even amongst the vigilants

strongest one isn't the semi

[hybrid plover]

Same with MnK but controller specifically is not great for constant manual firing

[hollow ibex]

in fact, it's the weakest lol

[unreal nova]

Then there is always the choice to just use an automatic gun. Like, I know Fatshark balancing can be whack but still.

[shrewd topaz]

pipebomb

[hybrid plover]

But if the balancing is whack, why does it even matter?

[hollow ibex]

semis aren't even innately stronger lol

[hybrid plover]

Like have you tried using stub pistols?

[shrewd topaz]

ilas and laspistol should be full auto here but anywayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

theyre not handcannon

[hybrid plover]

Those things are not even remotely crazy or anything and using them is strenuous because of how much you're clicking.

[silver patrol]

it's not like you shoot faster with autofire

[willow prairie]

plasma is semi

[hollow ibex]

it's a charge weapon technically

[shrewd topaz]

dies

[hollow ibex]

has fire delay

even on primary

[unreal nova]

Yes, but those are just bad because Fatshark focused too hard on the special forgetting how bad that is on higher diff.

Like it was balanced on the diff they play on, Malice.

[hybrid plover]

But that still means they aren't really balanced in a way that really justifies them to be required to be semi auto

[willow prairie]

stub pistol wouldn't be as bad if bolt pistol isn't already on scum and already 1-2 body shot all special

stubpistol require headshot

also it's braced

[unreal nova]

I still think Fatshark needs to just pick a diff and balance everything on that diff.

[hybrid plover]

And even with that in mind, I still don't even think it matters. I don't think it's worth barring weapons completely for the sake of "integrity" like that in a horde shooter of all things when the semis generally aren't strong enough to be that much better than full autos.

[willow prairie]

dt is also a lot more precision based compare to other horde shooter due to the fact that your ammo efficiency gone to shit without weakspot hit

[hybrid plover]

Especially when this game's predecessors have had that in mind and decided to make weapons that are traditionally semi auto, full auto.

[unreal nova]

Isn't the bistol even considered mediocre at best?

[willow prairie]

scum have infinite ammo

• it buff blinder

• instantly kill/stagger special instead of needing to wait for toxin tick

[unreal nova]

Thing is they seem to be 'trying' to go for the standard shooter weapon layout but failing at it.

Also, you guys say controller users need it the most yet mods don't work on consoles.

[hybrid plover]

We're saying it should just be an option in base game.

It shouldn't require a mod for that exact reason.

[unreal nova]

Thing is, Fatshark just doesn't bother because they believe modders will just fix all their QoL mistakes that consoles get no access to anyway.

[hybrid plover]

I'm aware. Doesn't change that I believe it should just be a QoL.

I'm not gonna call something that should simply be a QoL thing cheating.

Now if we're talking likea

Macro that does combos for you.

That's when it's getting into kinda cheaty territory but, I'm not gonna knock someone for doing it. It is what it is.

[hollow ibex]

I still remember just not using laspis back before I installed mods

[unreal nova]

That is why Skitarius is cheating for me.

Fullauto is one thing...

That's... something else.

One you skirt by, technically possible manually but will be tiring and is kinda cheating for that reason. The other is basically just cheating by having a program 'play' a part of the game for you.

[narrow widget]

skitarius is cheating imo
but at the same time sometimes i understand using it to spam lights without getting carpal tunnel

[unreal nova]

Is like using tools in speedruns.

Same for radar, minigame helper and the likes. You could say QoL, but is in a way just cheating.

[prime wyvern]

i agree for everything but minigame helper

those new symbols are hell for my dyslexic friend

[unreal nova]

I heard radar is even worse than spidy sense since the latter picks up sounds and sounds may not play while the other scans around you.

[prime wyvern]

(he claims at least, i dont have it so idk what hes experiencing exactly)

[unreal nova]

That is really just on Fatshark. No accessiblity to help with like extra more basic shapes around each character on screen.

Still, minigame helper just gives you the answers.

[narrow widget]

i will say with full shame
i used minigame helper and i liked it

[unreal nova]

And yes, I know minigames suck. Still doesn't mean it's not cheating.

[prime wyvern]

my mod list :3

[narrow widget]

on god aint nobody playing darktide for those fuck ass minigames

[unreal nova]

I swear if they add the jetty boot game...

My gf opens those for a reason.

Oh right, there was a mod to swap minigame back to the og for DRG. Or just ping it and ask GF to do it.

[prime wyvern]

woah mod that opens deep rock galactic when you play minigame??!

thats a great idea

[unreal nova]

No. I mean the locked jet boots thing. They made the most annoying minigame to unlock it.

It's playing flappy bird basically.

There was a mod to revert the new minigame to the original. I just asked GF to unlock it.

[slow sky]

reminds me of the terraria mod that opens up metal gear rising when you take damage

[prime wyvern]

wtf lol

[slow sky]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2819797586

[prime wyvern]

why that combo

[slow sky]

Causes Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance to launch whenever you get hit

[prime wyvern]

i mean lemme be real... id rather play mgr than terraria

[drifting verge]

Would anyone be willing to help my friend level their vet? We’re just slamming through some damnations

[pallid jetty]

right now?

[drifting verge]

Yep

[pallid jetty]

europe?

[drifting verge]

US East but we’re night owls

[pallid jetty]

i can play right now, lets go

[drifting verge]

Got it lemme grab friend code number

Can’t vc rn

[pallid jetty]

oh wait, im in europe...

ru

[drifting verge]

No but I’m us east and my internets good if need be I’ll set server to EU

I’ve done it before a lot

[pallid jetty]

uhhhhh alright i guess

[drifting verge]

4579066292

[pallid jetty]

sent friend request

[pallid jetty]

my ingame chat doesnt work cause of my vpn tho

[drifting verge]

That’s fine

[pallid jetty]

start where you're ready

[drifting verge]

Sorry it’s getting late I’m running on fumes and slipping up

[pallid jetty]

you could at least tell why you leave the party...

[drifting verge]

Sorry was dealing with something irl

We both had to hop off

Thank you though! You were a amazing help^^

[pallid jetty]

np

[shrewd topaz]

most normal recon lasgun build

[pastel yew]

wait has tunnel vision on mf always replenished stamina

fun combo with deadshot

[quaint marsh]

I only now learn there's a mod 💀

My poor mouse

[vestal ravine]

Yes and no, as deadshot has a cost per bullet fired even with Tunnel Vision the stamina costs are prohibitive with automatic guns.

[calm shard]

Mk XIV recon las can get around it because it has higher cleave

so you can headshot multiple enemies in a horde

or just burn through the crowd quicker to kill gunners on the other side

[sick hull]

Hey guys! I’m new to veteran and just coming back to the game. Is there a specific weapon I should focus on? I like the automatic las guns but I want to be helpful in a run

[distant plaza]

How much do you want to sweat?

[sick hull]

Lol I just like the game. I might try higher difficulties when I feel better at the game but right now I’m just trying to build up

I used to play psyker

Wanted to try something else this time around

[distant plaza]

As long as you’re not onslaught shooting crushers with the recon, it’s a fine enough weapon system
With enough skill+sweat you can make almost anything work, even in havocs
So use what’s fun

[vestal ravine]

Veteran is one of the harder classes, has little resistances so when learning Voice of Command is an obligatory safety switch, that's also broken, weapon pickup is a little irrelevant until you reach Auric Maelstrom, as long as you pair your choices well alongside your blitz.

[sick hull]

Appreciate it! It’s definitely different

[vestal ravine]

One weapon that can deal with hordes, another with armor and you're set.

[sick hull]

Ok thank you!! I’ll look into the weapons and builds some more

[vestal ravine]

When you learn to be evasive and to control the combat better the options will open up more.

[shrewd topaz]

assuming you can join said havocs

[shrewd topaz]

or just bring kraks for crushers and vibe from there

[tame lodge]

Ranged wise the only weapon we don't recommend is braced Auto
Everything else is fair game

[shrewd topaz]

so vigilant

[quiet lark]

i love vigilant 🙂‍↕️

[shrewd topaz]

whats the normal recon lasgun build

[sick hull]

Awesome thanks!

[shrewd topaz]

deadshot recon is too goofy

at least without withering fire

[turbid ibex]

Yeah vigilants are good

[grand perch]

i mean braced auto is fine, just not for havoc

just use the agrip version

[hollow ibex]

def feels underwhelming tho

[sour elbow]

I'd argue relying on voice of command is a crutch and should be avoided.
The biggest two things is not being arse in melee because it's when, not if, you get maulers and crushers trying to pummel you, and positioning (lagging too far behind if doing a pewpew build for example, being in a spot awkward for the others to get to, ect)

[slow sky]

There is something to be said about crutches because a huge part of the game is how fun the variety of stuff in the game is

And how fulfilling it is to learn how to use all of it well in the core gameplay, so gitting gud is a huge part of the fun

[dry galleon]

Exec stance + auto pistol trust me

[sour elbow]

Sure but it can generate bad habits is my point. "Oh I can stand here and get swarmed because I can just shout to get toughness and stagger" ect

[slow sky]

And some things deprive that ability to improve, making you not wanna swap off of then denying you that ability to improvr

So you'll just sit there using the same stuff for a while then get bored

[slow sky]

Yeah

[vestal ravine]

Exactly, and it took me, for instance, a huge amount of time to be able to survive as the veteran, from the base classes it's the weakest in damage resistance for a long time.

[slow sky]

You wont learn better positioning, or how specific weapons have built in ways specifically to handle ragers anf stuff

[vestal ravine]

That's why, if you're learning the game, as you can't kill and reposition well, it would be advised to use VOC, because it's really rough with Veteran.

[slow sky]

Tactical axe (biased glaze) has the special stagger for ragers which is great, but thats only one at a time. The heavies and push attack though also stagger them as well, making it secretly excellent for countering ragers but thats not a thing youd pick up on if youre leaning heavily on something like voc to do that for you

[pseudo fiber]

This is all to say Cole has ascended and exclusively plays inflitrate

[slow sky]

I dont like infiltrate

[pseudo fiber]

Noone sane does but I am exe maxing now

[vestal ravine]

This took me more than 100 hours to understand better, and more than 1000 to really pick this up. And I still haven't used all weapons in the game. Now that I'm with 1700 hours.

[vestal ravine]

With those two ability modifiers that increases damage and Focus Target!, Infiltrate can be a nice boss killer. A friend of mine used to play like that all the time, even before the buffs to Infiltrate.

[grand perch]

why stop there? throw MMF on top https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9kmsLsxaTI

[tame lodge]

Cursed ahh gun

[dry galleon]

That is how I run it, gets pretty nasty.

[hollow ibex]

MMF on recon?

💀

[dry galleon]

On autopistol.

[hollow ibex]

slightly less 💀

[dry galleon]

It works and is fun. I like running around spraying heads.

[sour elbow]

For me it's the mk3 shovel. The 'klonk' is just too satisfying

[vestal ravine]

Would you believe that I've just played a game somewhat like that. But with focus target! instead.

[turbid ibex]

Lacerate

💀

And infested perk

💀

[tidal fox]

Lacerate is based

[hearty panther]

tell me more about that second blessing, this 'sinister gulp'

[vestal ravine]

Nope, it's not. And I wonder why the same people that would say that Lacerate is good on Veteran would also say that Charged Strike is bad on Psyker.

[tidal fox]

Vets the ranged class so idrc bout the melee tbh 😎

[dry galleon]

I've used both, focus target is probably the more reliable option since you don't need to hit weakspots.

[turbid ibex]

Why the fuck are you running it then

[vestal ravine]

Focus Target! probably is the best keystone in the game. Every marked boss instantly has less 34% percent less health with 6 stacks.

And also increases team damage by 15%

[vestal ravine]

I wasn't me but on knife, that already inflicts bleed, it does increase the dot damage by a huge margin. But without it, it's inconsequential.

[turbid ibex]

Just run flesh tearer instead if you want bleed

[brave acorn]

Knife is dependent on weak spot and crit to do good damage

Lacerate rewards you for hitting the wrong thing

[vestal ravine]

No lacerate body hit, 27 damage stacks, with lacerate goes to 65.

[turbid ibex]

Why are you hitting body with knife

Actually why are you hitting body

[vestal ravine]

This is a single body hit, 3 dots then decays 1 stack by tick.

[turbid ibex]

At all

[vestal ravine]

Because there's a blessing that inflicts 4 stacks of bleed on body shots.

[torpid grotto]

Don’t question the king

[turbid ibex]

There is also a blessing that applies 8 on crit

So you dont have to lose out on a huge chunk of your damage by not hitting heads

[dry galleon]

Vet also has talents that complement this.

[vestal ravine]

Onslaught.

[turbid ibex]

Lmao onslaught

[torpid grotto]

Onslaught + lacerate is optimal way to kill crushers

You need to learn more kid

[turbid ibex]

#veteran-class message

[hollow ibex]

onslaught for melee? 💀