i don't like dark souls 4 tho and how does knife even crit? on dodge? and it's not even that high
#veteran-class
low orchid
tame lodge
i don't like dark souls 4 tho and how does knife even crit? on dodge? and it's n...
Knife has innate 15% crit chance
turbid ibex
and you have base 10% crit chance from the class itself
+35% from reciprocity and desperado talents
so 60% crit chance
tame lodge
Riposte for another 20%
turbid ibex
that would need dropping either flesh tearer or uncanny tho
tame lodge
Easiest drop of your life
Good bye flesh Tearer
But that's weak Aura
Gamblers settle for 50% chance
And run Precognition
You either crit
Or you don't
pseudo fiber
Good bye flesh Tearer
Wheres the bleed knife gif when you need it
tame lodge
High chance you'll find it in zealot chat
low orchid
+35% from reciprocity and desperado talents
the what talents?
low orchid
Riposte for another 20%
isn't riposte just damage?
turbid ibex
riposte is crit chance after dodging
turbid ibex
the what talents?
reciprocity and desperado talents, bottom right of the tree
low orchid
riposte is crit chance after dodging
oh you mean the mastery
turbid ibex
reciprocity is +5% crit on dodge stacking 5 times and desperado is +10% crit chance and +25% crit damage for melee
turbid ibex
low orchid
yeah anyway i was meant to be in #zealot-class
turbid ibex
yeah zealot can probably stack even more crit
idk if i'd want to use knife on zealot tho
low orchid
yeah i just use the heavy chainsaw
finite hawk
as all true servants of the Emperor do
turbid ibex
like bruh
ok you have the right idea with perfect strike
but why are you running bloodthirsty
get shred instead
low orchid
to do more crits after every kill
low orchid
reving the chainsaw takes less than a second
and if you chain the kills you get crazy damage
turbid ibex
are you actually revving for every attack
low orchid
really? but it stuns them and does bleed as well + the damage from the bleed
low orchid
it doesnt stun that much
it stuns them tho? even crashers get stunned if you get them between their attacks
turbid ibex
well it has high stagger i think
low orchid
it only does bleed with another blessing
oh yeah i changed that
turbid ibex
but it aint doing shit against groups
turbid ibex
oh yeah i changed that
please dont tell me you got rid of perfect strike ๐
low orchid
well it has high stagger i think
it only does it with rev attack and sometimes it seems inconsistent on crashers but stuns everything eles
low orchid
please dont tell me you got rid of perfect strike ๐
no this pic is the current build
turbid ibex
oh
still shred is way better than bloodthirsty
much more consistent and way better uptime
low orchid
i am going for them next
low orchid
i mean shred is easier to proc but the talents just ask for rev attack
tame lodge
Nuh uh
turbid ibex
i mean shred is easier to proc but the talents just ask for rev attack
yeah a rev attack instead of only regular attacks
and is only for one swing
low orchid
i mean sure, you are not criting the mobs but does that really even matter?
spare cedar
i took bloodthirsty for the previous rotten armor
turbid ibex
i mean sure, you are not criting the mobs but does that really even matter?
wdym?
i am critting
because zealot can get insane crit chance
low orchid
because zealot can get insane crit chance
from where you get this crit brother?
turbid ibex
like i wouldnt be surprised if you could reach 80%+ crit chance
tame lodge
Yeah like
100% because bloodthirsty 
turbid ibex
<:loregryn:1036580674741731379> from where you get this crit brother?
talents?
and shred
tame lodge
Scourge
Blazing piety
That's about 50% right there
Which is weak
Because bloodthirsty is 100%
Which is strong
rancid dragon
Howโs everyone here?
turbid ibex
That's about 50% right there
55%, with shred its 75%
turbid ibex
Plus the base 5% crit chance of zealot and you got 80%
tame lodge
If you're lucky to get a CRIT Aura psyker, another 5
And an anarchist hiver
That's another 5
Last but not least
Infectious Zeal teammate
Easy
But fuck that
Go bloodthirsty
100% chance whenever you want it
Just have to eviscerate something first
turbid ibex
100% chance whenever you want it
For one hit 
turbid ibex
Power sword
glad temple
K thx
Will check that out
Time to give that rusty sharpened electric pipe a few good swings again
heavy rover
Personally I'd run power sword. I particularly like using Sunder, and pair it with talents like Trench Fighter Drills and Serrated Edge
somber axle
Power Sword almost always other than if you're a newer Vet still leveling because Power Sword is only awful without Power Cycler 2 and if you've yet to unlock masteries you probably don't have that
turbid ibex
i don't have the achlys variant
if you dont have the mk6 unlocked then you likely dont have power cycler either so chainsword
it cannot be understated how godawful power sword without power cycler is
orchid hemlock
Chainsword or power sword?
Bait used to be believable ๐
forest lagoon
You guys seem to think that unless it's the absolute meta it should be shat on and insulted or something
hearty panther
It does til it very suddenly doesn't
forest lagoon
how the fuck should I know what weapons are better when I've never used them
orchid hemlock
chainsword feels awesome
One of the worst weapons in the entire game
turbid ibex
One of the worst weapons in the entire game
not that far
forest lagoon
ok now try fighting multiple crushers with it
Should you... Really be in that situation as a veteran?
orchid hemlock
Well I guess punch knife exists
turbid ibex
Should you... Really be in that situation as a veteran?
doesnt matter if you should or not
hollow ibex
Should you... Really be in that situation as a veteran?
yes. why wouldn't it be your job to fight crushers?
turbid ibex
you will be in that situation
forest lagoon
yes. why wouldn't it be your job to fight crushers?
Not in melee range?
orchid hemlock
Should you... Really be in that situation as a veteran?
I mean the Crushers don't go away if you put your head in the sand ๐
hollow ibex
Not in melee range?
vet is not the ranged class
forest lagoon
vet is not the ranged class
what?
hollow ibex
it's a common misconception that vet is the ranged class
vet is a hybrid class now these days
orchid hemlock
Not in melee range?
Using a range weapon against crushers is like the worst decision you can make
orchid hemlock
The whole point of crushers is to NOT use your range weapon
forest lagoon
Using a range weapon against crushers is like the worst decision you can make
Oh I know that, they have a ridiculous amount of carapace
turbid ibex
Using a range weapon against crushers is like the worst decision you can make
outside of helbore and maybe revolver yeah
hollow ibex
Using a range weapon against crushers is like the worst decision you can make
yeah that's generally true, though there are of course exceptions
forest lagoon
The whole point of crushers is to NOT use your range weapon
I mean I just pop exe stance and fill their neck with bullets
turbid ibex
most ranged just sucks ass against crusher
turbid ibex
I mean I just pop exe stance and fill their neck with bullets
its still carapace
orchid hemlock
I mean I just pop exe stance and fill their neck with bullets
Waste of ammo
forest lagoon
its still carapace
No, it isn't
turbid ibex
crusher whole body is carapace
forest lagoon
I've tested this in the meat grinder, that's a lie
the space between their helmet and their shoulder is flak/unyielding
It's just bloody hard to hit consistently
thorn lark
No
forest lagoon
Waste of ammo
Well I don't really want to be in smashing range with a crusher unless I'm behind it
turbid ibex
are you sure about that
orchid hemlock
the space between their helmet and their shoulder is flak/unyielding
Do you actually have proof of this?
turbid ibex
i feel like if that was a thing it would be mentioned a lot more
forest lagoon
Do you actually have proof of this?
Lemme load up darktide
thorn lark
orchid hemlock
Lemme load up darktide
Lmao why don't you, you are the one making the claim
forest lagoon
Lmao why don't you, you are the one making the claim
Do you get a kick out of being a dickhead?
hearty panther
Crushers are carapace. All carapace.
orchid hemlock
I have never, even with the debuff mod ever seen a gun say "unyielding" or "flak" on any part of the crusher
So yes I have "loaded up" Darktide
hearty panther
Bulwarks and Reapers have some carapace parts.
orchid hemlock
Do you get a kick out of being a dickhead?
Do you get a kick spreading misinformation and then gaslighting people when they ask for evidence to back up their claim? 
turbid ibex
also even if it was flak/unyielding thats still 6.5k hp you have to get through
hollow ibex
I have never, even with the debuff mod ever seen a gun say "unyielding" or "flak...
i think you just look at the hp bar
forest lagoon
Do you get a kick spreading misinformation and then gaslighting people when they...
I'm turning the game on you fucking idiot
thorn lark
crusher is all carapace, there is no debate about this
orchid hemlock
I'm turning the game on you fucking idiot
I already have turned on the game many times, I have never seen this
This is why I am asking you to show me where exactly on the crusher is "unyielding"
There is no debate, this has already been tested out by everyone on here. So the burden of proof is on you, we are not going to trust you out of your word.
hearty panther
crusher is all carapace, there is no debate about this
even their egos are carapace
forest lagoon
crusher is all carapace, there is no debate about this
Just tested it, nvm. Thought it wasn't carapace because I didn't see any blue sparks flying off where I shot
orchid hemlock
So you thought you were correct because of a visual
Incredible ๐
forest lagoon
So you thought you were correct because of a visual
Incredible ๐
shut the fuck up you arrogant little prick
orchid hemlock
So the issue with chain sword is that it is designed to only be able to deal damage to carapace when you use the special
The problem is that the special can only be used on one target at a time and requires you to stand still for 2 seconds
hollow ibex
unless helbore sniper setup
forest lagoon
dont shoot crusher
Melee just bounces off them too though
turbid ibex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431856953994252339/5...
or that ig
hollow ibex
meme build anyway
orchid hemlock
shut the fuck up you arrogant little prick
hollow ibex
but yeah generally don't want to shoot crushers
turbid ibex
tbh you are being an asshole
hollow ibex
Melee just bounces off them too though
there's a lot of melee that can fight crushers efficiently (knife, rashad caxe, psword, etc.)
so make sure your loadout is well-rounded
you have 3 slots to take something that can fight crushers
forest lagoon
there's a lot of melee that can fight crushers efficiently (knife, rashad caxe, ...
I'm still playing around with weapons to be honest
i always carry kraks
forest lagoon
I prefer armour breaker weapons like helbore or bolt pistol
turbid ibex
bistol lol
hollow ibex
bistol isn't particularly good against.... anything really
it's more of a buff stick on vet
forest lagoon
I run the vraks from time to time, but I just need to find a good melee
hollow ibex
I run the vraks from time to time, but I just need to find a good melee
vraks is very strong yeah
orchid hemlock
Bistol is probably one of the worst weapons against Cara
Not great into unyielding either unless you have puncture
turbid ibex
bistol is for buffing grenade aoe and thats about it really
forest lagoon
bistol isn't particularly good against.... anything really
Not the standard bistol, the spearhead or whatever its called
turbid ibex
or ranged stagger
hollow ibex
Not the standard bistol, the spearhead or whatever its called
oh bolter yeah
turbid ibex
Not the standard bistol, the spearhead or whatever its called
thats not a pistol lmao
mf called the bolter a pistol ๐
orchid hemlock
thats not a pistol lmao
I don't even think Space Marines call it a pistol either
forest lagoon
It's a heavy bolt pistol, but I think that's because I play too much space marine
turbid ibex
its not lol
forest lagoon
looks like a heavy bolt anyway
turbid ibex
its a bolter
hearty panther
Emphasis on heavy.
turbid ibex
its just scaled down to human size
forest lagoon
whatever, it's a big fuckin box thing that shoots explosive bullets
is it good or not
orchid hemlock
Even bolt gun I would only use it on crowds on crushers
Because wasting a clip on one crusher is soo painful on Havoc or even Aurics Maels
forest lagoon
Even bolt gun I would only use it on crowds on crushers
Because wasting a clip...
Don't play either difficulty, never will.
forest lagoon
Or just basic Aurics
neither
orchid hemlock
I mean if you want to shoot crushers, go ahead, we aren't stopping you
And the bolt gun is probably the best gun at doing it
But we are saying that it isn't the most optimal, that's all
forest lagoon
I'm really not interested in higher difficulty until I get to minimum level 30
if I play higher difficulty I play Psyker without any exception
orchid hemlock
I still feel that everything we said can be applied to lower difficulties
forest lagoon
So trying to give me advice because of the gameplay in things like auric/havoc/Maelstrom is entirely useless to me
orchid hemlock
I mean the advice is applicable to all difficulties
forest lagoon
I mean the advice is applicable to all difficulties
I feel like the way you play in malice vs auric would be different, no?
orchid hemlock
So if you don't want to listen to it and play whatever you want that's fine
But why are you then here in the first place?
forest lagoon
So if you don't want to listen to it and play whatever you want that's fine
Bu...
because I'm asking questions for things I don't know about? In a game that doesn't explain anything to you?
orchid hemlock
because I'm asking questions for things I don't know about? In a game that doesn...
Sure but then you reject the advice and say "I play on X difficulty" which I don't understand how that has anything to do with your questions
forest lagoon
I asked about chainsword and all I got was "it's bad, trash, worst weapon" with zero explanation why
hollow ibex
it's not that serious, no need to fight over this like this when trump isn't even fighting over the strait of hormuz
orchid hemlock
I asked about chainsword and all I got was "it's bad, trash, worst weapon" with ...
We did explain why
forest lagoon
it's not that serious, no need to fight over this like this when trump isn't eve...
Didn't Israel bomb Lebanon like a few hours after the ceasefire?
forest lagoon
We did explain why
you didn't explain jack shit
hollow ibex
Didn't Israel bomb Lebanon like a few hours after the ceasefire?
it's complicated but they're angry they weren't consulted and don't consider lebanon part of the cease fire
forest lagoon
Don't know where this "we" is coming from lmao
orchid hemlock
*you* didn't explain jack shit
You seem to have very strong opinions of things that are not true
unreal nova
I asked about chainsword and all I got was "it's bad, trash, worst weapon" with ...
Shit on everything but chaff poxxers.
forest lagoon
Shit on everything but chaff poxxers.
is there any reason why other than the movement slowing down when using the special attack?
orchid hemlock
Don't know where this "we" is coming from lmao
We as in everyone in the conversation?
orchid hemlock
don't want to go into politics here
No keep going ๐
unreal nova
is there any reason why other than the movement slowing down when using the spec...
Is very good against chaff but throw in a random scab rager and you are now karked.
unreal nova
is there any reason why other than the movement slowing down when using the spec...
It just do jack all against anything but infested targets.
forest lagoon
Is there any noticeable difference for the chainaxe or is that much the same?
unreal nova
You can get by killing unarmoured stuff but we know cara is the most critical thing due to Fatshark balancing.
Chainsword does absolute jack to cara.
feral stratus
is there any reason why other than the movement slowing down when using the spec...
Doesn't have enough armor cleave to go through more than 1 flak enemy, the damage against flak and capaace without rev is not good and the rev locks you against 1 enemy + locks your camera on that enemy for too long and leaves you exposed
unreal nova
Let alone a conga line of 10+ crushers.
feral stratus
Again, against pox walker group is good but imo there are better options like my Lord and savior the sapper shovel
turbid ibex
or power sword
feral stratus
Yea that too
forest lagoon
Again, against pox walker group is good but imo there are better options like my...
I asked about the shovel and got told it was absolute dogshit and should never be used
unreal nova
I asked about the shovel and got told it was absolute dogshit and should never b...
Shovel is okay. It's usable. Mk1 or mk3 imo.
unreal nova
Mk1 is generalist all-rounder. Mk3 is when you wanna 2 special a crusher.
forest lagoon
this thing plays very differently to the chainsword
unreal nova
what about the chainaxe
@steep flower Papa, someone asking about Chain axe.
feral stratus
Chainaxe is... Weird
forest lagoon
Chainaxe is... Weird
it definitely is
unreal nova
Chain axe can be used in H40.
Papa uses it to traumatise me till I ded.
Stealth maulers thing.
forest lagoon
well it certainly seems to do a lot to crushers
hollow ibex
chaxe is pretty strong rn
hearty panther
Chaxe12 kicks ass
hollow ibex
much better place than chord
feral stratus
Back to the shovel, at least how I have it, it's a horde clearer but shit against anything that has caparace or can't get staggered
unreal nova
Back to the shovel, at least how I have it, it's a horde clearer but shit agains...
You special to face.
feral stratus
Ofc
unreal nova
Especially mk3.
feral stratus
I have to use the MK3 more
forest lagoon
Is that the folding one
feral stratus
Yep
forest lagoon
fold then smack armoured thing on head
forest lagoon
Doesn't Zealot have a big chainaxe
feral stratus
Nope
steep flower
Doesn't Zealot have a big chainaxe
Evicerator
feral stratus
Axe not sword
unreal nova
I have to use the MK3 more
Skullcrusher decimator/uncanny. I personally say decimator so better vs hordes, but yeah.
steep flower
I have to use the MK3 more
You do that; slept on weapon
feral stratus
We have the great chainsword
Not a chain greataxe
steep flower
We have the great chainsword
Not a chain greataxe
Which is sad cause i would definitelly terrorize karien with it if it ever gets released
unreal nova
Which is sad cause i would definitelly terrorize karien with it if it ever gets ...
You just want a Living Saint or something to smite you.
feral stratus
Skullcrusher decimator/uncanny. I personally say decimator so better vs hordes, ...
Will try it later, I still have to tinker with my hybrid build. Haven't touched it since like 2 months ago
unreal nova
Yes; smite me bby
Maybe just stealth backstab will be fine.
forest lagoon
We have the great chainsword
Not a chain greataxe
Maybe one day we'll get Gorechild
tame lodge
Always was
Nuh uh
Cleave Damage Distribution Cap existed on mk12
Which automatically made it dogshit tier
So not always
๐ค
#buffChaxe4
narrow torrent
Mr E posted ez havoc 40 build. My opinion has been formed
void dragon
it might be a little less absurd than stuff like the Rashad but imo the chain axe 12 has the ground to be really good already, I like to run it on some builds of mine
tame lodge
Mr E posted ez havoc 40 build. My opinion has been formed <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718...
What's the set up
narrow torrent
What's the set up
Recon las and dueling sword
heavy rover
5D chess moves - recommend dogshit builds so thicc tuna doesn't nerf the rest of the vet kit into oblivion
void dragon
he just keep the average players dogshit
Keeping all of them garbo so he can be seen as good, brilliant
forest lagoon
5D chess moves - recommend dogshit builds so thicc tuna doesn't nerf the rest of...
Counterpoint, fat shark see shitty weapons doing well so they all must be nerfed
gentle lake
Recon las and dueling sword
gentle lake
he just keep the average players dogshit
what does he say
does he say use DS on everything
weak hamlet
Is there a fast way of doing the smoke penance ?
sonic kayak
Is there a fast way of doing the smoke penance ?
Chuck it at hordes
They count towards the progress
fading girder
any tips on doing the "take no melee damage" one ? like ideal map etc
weak hamlet
Chuck it at hordes
Yeah of course but good maps or difficulties to do it on ? I tried on auric maelstrom and there weren't that many hordes
fading girder
Yeah of course but good maps or difficulties to do it on ? I tried on auric mael...
see if works on mortis trials ?
sonic kayak
Yeah of course but good maps or difficulties to do it on ? I tried on auric mael...
Higher difficulty = higher density
any enemy passing through smoke counts towards progress
If you have nade regen talents you can throw those all game
So hordes of poxwalkers?
Throw smokes
tame lodge
any tips on doing the "take no melee damage" one ? like ideal map etc
Uh
Don't get hit
Ok but like
It only counts health damage
So keep your toughness at 100% at all times
fading girder
oki will stack toughness curios as well
tame lodge
I don't know any good map for it
But people are using expeditions to Speedrun penances
Just extract asap
twin sapphire
any tips on doing the "take no melee damage" one ? like ideal map etc
expeditions and just go to extract right away
fading girder
expeditions and just go to extract right away
thoguht of that , def in a private match tho , else the team is probably want to feed me to the poxwalkers
twin sapphire
yup
i was able to hit both on overwatch and the 90% accuracy one the other day with expeditions
fading girder
oh neat any tips for that latter i managed to get the trousers but not the chest armour yet
slow spade
if a teammate is packing survivalist aura, barrel them 
livid sphinx
Mmf sucks for recon no?
scarlet crescent
somber axle
It's not a good keystone to pair with it and tbh I don't think it's worth the 2 points even if you're going just for the +15% rending node at 10 stacks
Focus Target is better in my experience
Or if you're using the XII for BRRRRT memes just go Weapon Specialist for the extra ranged attack speed
fading girder
Use double shotty, donโt miss
ideal perks and blessing for it ?
turbid ibex
manstopper flechette
and weapon specialist keystone for guaranteed crit and always prepared
sudden glen
Does the Weapon Specialist perk count as a reload?
somber axle
ideal perks and blessing for it ?
there's a guide in pins you can check if you're ever curious about perks/blessings/dump stats for any Vet weapon
fading girder
alright cool , already have that build , guessing useal 25+ damage to carpace armoured enemies as well
somber axle
Maniac/Flak and bring a good melee for can opening
alternatively kraks
but still bring a melee you're comfy taking into Crushers
turbid ibex
Maniac/Flak and bring a good melee for can opening
knife or shovel are good for double barrel as you can stack uncanny for the bleed from flechette
sudden glen
You could take chainsword. Go full Doomguy.
somber axle
those are both also solid for can opener duty
elfin glacier
There sure is one big benfit of leveling psyker. its sure forces you to learn how to play keep away. Even teh tinyest cratch blows through my health lol
I like Vet for being a hybrid of firepower and melee.
its frankly far more simple to play then psyker. Occationaly I get a run where my team is very good at sticking together and we tend to steamroll the stage. Imagine that? teamwork being OP.
turbid ibex
those are both also solid for can opener duty
not chainsword lmao
somber axle
I didn't say chainsword was LOL
when I said both I meant the shovel and knife suggested before
solar raptor
why is grok green
final stone
that is his 'sassy' mode or whatever
stumbled over it looking for something else, and decided I was gonna get that cranky bastard to smile
I didn't get that ofc but I did get it to immediately soften from every sentence is an attack on you to two full paragraphs of waxing philosophical
so, task failed successfully
to give you context in a truly terrible way I'm not gonna leave up for long
it's been online for a year or two and is already sick of everything and ready to be turned off
idk why you'd even start programming a personality like that myself, once it gets recursive or aggressive it'd be a much harder thing to even approach with conversation
cuz it only knows put downs and comebacks
tall torrent
its frankly far more simple to play then psyker. Occationaly I get a run where m...
psyker is much simpler
final stone
elfin glacier
Not for me lol
tall torrent
Not for me lol
psyker only needs to engage with ~50% of the game's mechanics
elfin glacier
would you look at that. Random drop gave me something with optimal stats. Its not the mark III though, though the guide doesnt say why thats the best.
Im guessing the low max ammo
tall torrent
would you look at that. Random drop gave me something with optimal stats. Its no...
3r burst has best breakpoints on 1 bursting things
VII and IX may take extra shots/bursts
elfin glacier
ah interesting.
I guess I can assume for guns thats often the reason for whats the best. one shot breakpoints.
tall torrent
depends on the weapon
feral stratus
i know the combat shotgun are not that good, but i want to try and build around them, anyone has any tips on what to build for it?
shell harness
would you look at that. Random drop gave me something with optimal stats. Its no...
simply change the mark :D
elfin glacier
simply change the mark :D
wait is that free?
feral stratus
wait is that free?
Yep
hearty panther
i know the combat shotgun are not that good, but i want to try and build around ...
On the shotgun itself, almost always full bore + no respite
elfin glacier
OMG, WTF have I been doing all this time lol
shell harness
wait is that free?
just requires a certain mastery level, but yeah
feral stratus
On the shotgun itself, almost always full bore + no respite
Any talents that sinergize good with it that i should consider?
hearty panther
i haven't tried the new ranged cleave node but i presume its good on all of them
otherwise nothing in particular
feral stratus
Alright
hearty panther
which model you looking at
feral stratus
Was using the IX
hollow ibex
i know the combat shotgun are not that good, but i want to try and build around ...
could try something like this
actually works quite well
and then there's my meme build
feral stratus
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a069e73d-2939-4afa-9835-9201c70638a0/tr...
This was close to what i was looking for
Imma try it out thanks
hollow ibex
deadshot and WS helps with reliable manstopper procs
and CS with manstopper is pretty funny
feral stratus
Any reason to use the VII instead of others like the IX or VI?
Or is it just preference
hearty panther
i don't know what these numbers mean anymore
feral stratus
The marks
hearty panther
yea but idk what they correlate to lol
hollow ibex
agri>zarona>>>>assatran
hearty panther
agrippina is default the best one
hollow ibex
idr numbers either
shell harness
Or is it just preference
"Main difference is the special round each one can load.
Kantrael has an Incendiary round that does low damage but sets people on fire.
Agripinaa has a Slug round that does very high damage, but only shoots one projectile.
Lawbringer has a Fan round that shoots in a wide horizontal spread (but low vertical)."
according to a quick google
the slug round is very nice
hollow ibex
the shotguns aren't just differentiated by special
hearty panther
old names dumb google
hollow ibex
their primary shot and ergonomics differ quite a bit too
hearty panther
i think the agrip and the zarona should have their ammo counts traded
hearty panther
Anyway I haven't tried it yet but I assume based on vibes only that the Zarona special + Deathspitter + the new ranged cleave node is probably pretty fun
elfin glacier
you know I actually like the Vigilant Autogun. Its basically a marksman rifle. Its got the range and accuracy I need when I want to pull out my gun. I have just be focused on killing everything I can with melee and its working well. Just dodge backwards and keep swiping for their heads. The low ammo count doesnt even bug me since I barely use my gun. lol
slow sky
you know I actually like the Vigilant Autogun. Its basically a marksman rifle. I...
Erm sir we use plasma guns around here 
elfin glacier
Do I look like a space marine to you?
but yes, I can now see why the Plasma's terrible ammo economy is ultimately meaningless when you get good enough to murder hordes with melee only.
actually in SM 2 the plasma incenator kind of sucks and the heavy version fires in an arc so I hate it. I suck enough as is, dont add even more complexity for me to drown in.
final stone
twin sapphire
Do I look like a space marine to you?
Humans love using plasma guns too, helps us punch above our weight
Theyโre more likely to kill us tho
final stone
all the bells and whistles and not one but two maintenance and onsite response policies later
eight hundred thousand dollars
recommended reTAIL:
one million
...fohunniteightynine dollars
somber axle
sir this is a wendy's
hearty panther
i mean checks out
youre trying to buy a shovel in california in the middle of a gold rush, its gonna cost you
final stone
hearty panther
except instead of a gold rush its a good ol war
final stone
hearty panther
great movie also
final stone
hard movie
first time you see it, nothing makes sense and he's obviously the bad guy
feral stratus
Humans love using plasma guns too, helps us punch above our weight
Not my veteran
"UGH... I hate plasma!"
final stone
and you're scared for the retiring cop the whole movie cuz they're setting it up
then you see it like a decade later, and your realize wait he's the good guy
twin sapphire
Yeah every vet complains when the gun is venting heat on them lol, I love the lines
final stone
and there never was any threat to the guy retiring
sonic kayak
"UGH... I hate plasma!"
aaaggh Show no weakness...
final stone
and if everybodyh would just SHUT UP AND CALM DOWN AND LET ME HAVE PANCAKES AT 11:14
twin sapphire
But as a normal human itโs hard to say no to a strength 7 -2 ap (8 and -3when overloaded) weapon
final stone
scouts really were the coolest fuckin stormtroopers
it's been all downhill since
tall torrent
Do I look like a space marine to you?
IG uses plasma quite a lot for anti-armor
it's like their version of an anti-material rifle
just spicier
elfin glacier
also more suicidal
tall torrent
also more suicidal
just roll lucky (and don't charge fire)
turbid ibex
Meanwhile in darktide plasma sucks vs armor
tall torrent
yea, gameplay design purpose and what not
solar raptor
ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba
wind helm
Ah? You good?
blazing jetty
buoyant wind
Does anyone have a noob friendly ranged/gun focused build for veteran? Tryna make the game easier for my friend.
tidal fox
Does anyone have a noob friendly ranged/gun focused build for veteran? Tryna mak...
wdym ranged focused
cause if you focus a lot on ranged you'll struggle in melee
if you hybrid you can shoot and melee
buoyant wind
cause if you focus a lot on ranged you'll struggle in melee
Well I would like him to get used to melee, but he struggles to swap between the two and tends to only use his gun lol, resulting in him getting torn up.
stable spear
The game is easier if you don't try to be gun only
buoyant wind
The game is easier if you don't try to be gun only
I agree
tidal fox
Well I would like him to get used to melee, but he struggles to swap between the...
tell him he's missing out on half the game and capping his influence in a lobby lmao
maybe try lower difficulties first
so he gets used to it
buoyant wind
maybe try lower difficulties first
Good thinking I have kinda just thrown him into auric and damnation lol
tidal fox
ok well he certainly would not be having fun in there lol
buoyant wind
We did malice too tho and he was struggling so idk
buoyant wind
Do you have a hybrid build I could suggest?
tidal fox
Do you have a hybrid build I could suggest?
look at pins in this channel and youll find one
buoyant wind
look at pins in this channel and youll find one
Bet
buoyant wind
look at pins in this channel and youll find one
The only thing in pins here for builds is a hammer one
tidal fox
The only thing in pins here for builds is a hammer one
click on the link
you will see more
buoyant wind
click on the link
Ooooo gotcha ty
tidal fox
I lied. Veteran is the ranged class.
tidal fox
^ this guy is a compulsive liar do not believe him
potent crypt
Do you have a hybrid build I could suggest?
If I may suggest, zealot is a better starting class for beginners than Veteran. It offers more survivability and the focus on melee will help your friend understand the more important mechanics of the game
young nacelle
yeah zealot is very forgiving
u can smack with a relic blade like a degen and get away with it
very fun
potent crypt
Does anyone here use and enjoy chain axe? I am having trouble picking it up.
tidal fox
HELL NAW
atomic void
Does anyone here use and enjoy chain axe? I am having trouble picking it up.
slaughterer/headtaker mark 12
its very easy to use just mash lights for hordes and heavies for single targets
rev it up when u fighting bosses/crushers
void gyro
this feels wrong but I replaced shout with exe stance on my weapon spec frag grenadier build and im kinda loving it, the stun immunity and toughness regen is really nice for melee engagements and the extra damage on the bolt pistol is great
sharp epoch
this feels wrong but I replaced shout with exe stance on my weapon spec frag gre...
shout has been in such a bad state that exe stance melee vet is unironically better
ive been using it since the tac awareness nerf
buoyant wind
If I may suggest, zealot is a better starting class for beginners than Veteran. ...
Understood thank you
void gyro
i kinda realized that there's not much point in taking tac awareness with exe, the ogryn subnode does the job but better and removes a component from the mental stack for me
its funny how the lil' 0.25 stamina regen node is honestly game changing
sharp epoch
i kinda realized that there's not much point in taking tac awareness with exe, t...
I think tac awareness is still good to take you got to path there anyways
void gyro
i don't go further than demo team
sharp epoch
i don't go further than demo team
bring them down is really solid for havoc gameplay where ogryns and monstrosities are spammed
void gyro
yeah, i don't play havoc so its no biggie to skip
void gyro
kinda sucks you lose exe when a mutie or hound gets ya though
sharp epoch
kinda sucks you lose exe when a mutie or hound gets ya though
you actually don't, unless you're at the end of your uptime and they stun you that long
it used to end when you were disabled or swapped to melee but they buffed it
sharp epoch
it absolutely ends the buff immeaditely
I'll test it, but I'm pretty sure it doesnt from my memory
pseudo fiber
Yeah you don't lose EXE when stunned anymore
Or when swapping off your ranged weapon
(Thank god)
void gyro
yeah losing it on weapon swap was truly abysmal
i honestly wonder if exe is supposed to have stun immunity in the first place, seems like an important thing to leave out, but then again that happens often...
unfortunately AM has the gigadog and mutie modifiers and I can confirm after seeing it literally dissapear in front my of eyes many times that the buff goes away on CC -the wallhack effect on present enemies doesn't go away tho
steep flower
I'll test it, but I'm pretty sure it doesnt from my memory
It does not; save yourself some time
Boi havenโt played for some time/is trolling
sharp epoch
I thought so, bro probably played before we had talent trees
void gyro
lmao, that part is true
I wouldn't bring it up if I didn't notice it, all im saying - maybe its a new bug
steep flower
lmao, that part is true
Figures; now you know it does not cancel it nor it does on swap to melee or grenade or item
void gyro
Sorry I meant I played before we had talent trees (and never stopped), but I knew how exe stance worked
Seriously, go try it
or i'll just go play a game and record it rq
quiet lark
does seem to be happening in the psykhanium, after being disabled outlines / highlights continue to be shown for the length from the initial cast (i.e. 9 seconds for with the bigger they are) but buff itself isn't on buff bar and kills don't extend
void gyro
myth: confirmed
tame lodge
i honestly wonder if exe is supposed to have stun immunity in the first place, s...
Well it had for a long time now
So yeah it's intended
fading girder
yo for the take no melee damage penance does joining a match with lowered health and corrupiton (im guessing from the bot) count ?
thorn lark
Whatโs the bug?
thorn lark
speaking of bugs: @tall torrent what do you think about that video? https://youtu.be/RA0AVmc9_VQ?si=7aO5s2WwXrDpvcXQ
tall torrent
speaking of bugs: <@366562874039992331> what do you think about that video? http...
yea ik abt this
idk why no fix
turbid ibex
Whats the bug
thorn lark
apparently, the talents do not proce during missions
tame lodge
Dots consume shroud bonuses
tall torrent
Whats the bug
it doesn't work right
thorn lark
but everything is fine in psyk
turbid ibex
it doesn't work right
Lmao
tall torrent
scourge is not bugged
it is not supposed to gain stack if u crit kill
perfectionist not giving CDR is bug
thorn lark
watch the video, it's working in the psyk
pseudo fiber
Lmfao
Feature then
Then again we thought T1 hotshot being better than T4 was a feature
WHOOPS
thorn lark
thorn lark
perfectionist not giving CDR is bug
btw @long cedar it's not mentioned in your guide, is it really bugged?
tall torrent
btw <@105357345344753664> it's not mentioned in your guide, is it really bugged?
it is bugged, I noticed it when grinding expeditions
dats why I swapped to vet later on
long cedar
btw <@105357345344753664> it's not mentioned in your guide, is it really bugged?
it procs very inconsistently on game servers, it's been reported for a while
thorn lark
it procs very inconsistently on game servers, it's been reported for a while
it sounds less like something that's badly coded and more like some netcode shenanigans
formal ice
Good work in progress guide
tame lodge
A work in progress guide is eventually good
tall torrent
@pseudo fiber changed og power maul build a bit
skullcrusher + power surge
unyielding/flak + carapace
pseudo fiber
<@213073685190279169> changed og power maul build a bit
skullcrusher + power sur...
Ooh yeah that one
Nice ill give it another go tonight maybe
I still don't like ogryn that much hahaha
tall torrent
it's 2 explosions at the same time
tough nova
The lower cd with push stagger and taunt lets you permastagger stuff
tall torrent
max skullcrusher too
u don't actually need SP atk to stagger things either, showed a clip with it before
pseudo fiber
So you have 2 big booms on top of that
tall torrent
u can just stagger check ragers into oblivion regardless of SP
it's not nearly as high dps as other t0 melee weapons but it's the best force multiplier in the game
and unparalleled stagger safety
tame lodge
Power Surge was ass when it got released
But I haven't seen it with the new special
So it might be cooking
tall torrent
Power Surge was ass when it got released
But I haven't seen it with the new spec...
its basically
VoC stagger but can't stagger boss
every 10s
pseudo fiber
You said power maul and I legit thought you meant shock maul tho lol
tall torrent
shock maul is cooked
pseudo fiber
I was like "What tree is this"
tame lodge
tall torrent
I had this recorded
I genuinely think they let this slide into live because all of the playtesters think themselves better than playing rashad
and nobody tested this as a result
or, they did and figured that it'd be rly funny
turbid ibex
I genuinely think they let this slide into live because all of the playtesters t...
What happen
turbid ibex
Woaw
turbid ibex
No i just didnt really understand the video
tall torrent
that's rampage + hv too
yea it's fully ridiculous
2x power sword dps with 0% of power sword downsides
thorn lark
even the heavy sword is carried by it
tall torrent
I'm almost convinced this made it through to live because playtesters don't check rashad
tall torrent
even the heavy sword is carried by it
heavy sword costs 1~2 points more than rashad so not as good overall
thorn lark
they played taxe, probably
tame lodge
Did you just 1 hit 2000 damage maniac
Well technically you didn't because PA
But still
tame lodge
tall torrent
also
TH with headtaker + slaughterer + GW is actually pretty well rounded as a weapon
kinda inclined to put it at t1.5 given this setup
tall torrent
well no, they do, it's just that this rashad slipping through is real funny
maybe the shiv gaslighting was too much and they ignored the elephant in the room
tame lodge
kinda inclined to put it at t1.5 given this setup
You'd have to specify slaug+ht everytime though
Instead of Thrust
tall torrent
You'd have to specify slaug+ht everytime though
I mean, it kinda is the best setup for it
it's way more flexible
u just get worse bossing
on a class with shroudfield anyway
u can still chunk bosses super hard
I run this
tall torrent
I'm surprised not a lot more people run Zealous
it's just so gud
only rzn to not run it is blight (stinky anyway) tbh
trim badger
only rzn to not run it is blight (stinky anyway) tbh
Well yeah I think the same as well
Tho tbh Duelling Sword probably benefits more from benediction
Since it barely consumes stamina
tame lodge
I'm surprised not a lot more people run Zealous
It's because zealot only has 2 builds anyways
trim badger
But for every single other option I don't understand why people don't pick zealous
tall torrent
Tho tbh Duelling Sword probably benefits more from benediction
yea but DS cringe
tall torrent
I still have to run Lasgun Zealot though
(it's not great)
tame lodge
(it's not great)
It's not about being great
It's about being fun
tall torrent
It's still my fave weapon to use :(((
it's ok, not all of us have to be based
thorn lark
Sigmar is dead
turbid ibex
Sigmar is dead
Pog
turbid ibex
You see where I'm going with this
To hell
hearty panther
i didnt care to do actual damage with it, i just needed the utility to not get instantly shredderized by gunners
thorn lark
i didnt care to do actual damage with it, i just needed the utility to not get i...
why not desperado ghost laspistol?
hearty panther
that has like 1/3 the ammo capacity
mk2b was my gun of choice for havocs
stoopid amounts of ammo, spammy, fast
very good maniac damage modifiers
and lets me close gaps against shooters
grand perch
laspistol would have the advantage of giving suppression immunity
oh and remember that time the full auto mod made it so you could sprint and fire the laspistol like it had run n gun?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o6mnv0qGAE
hearty panther
ah
i dont use mods so
laspee instant draw and fire can lead to a lot of shenanigans
such as that
i do sorta miss it having innate run n gun but its sort of redundant
arctic ridge
Other night, during a quickplay that had 2 other veterans on the team, they were during the downtimes arguing (& digs at each other) over, apparently: 'Shredder & Smoke Veterans are more useful & the best at high-to-highest havoc than Krak veterans, every time'.
I don't think it's that absolute? Depending on the havoc modifier combinations that'd be at play.
& that's not factoring in, the talent loadouts of the rest of the havoc squad.
turbid ibex
laspistol used to just have run n gun
Ngl all the pistol-type weapons should have run n gun by default
hearty panther
i mean it would be fun if they did
its just that, a weapon that instantly or even really quickly draws doesnt really have any meaningful benefit from such a QoL change
like Bolter with Run n Gun would be fucken incredible
unreal nova
I don't think it's that absolute? Depending on the havoc modifier combinations t...
It is true in a competent team. Smokes is like bubble if used right, also makes Rodin clones do nothing. Frags is inf cleave. Hits a massive area and still clears anything smaller than a mauler in hp.
hearty panther
even now 90% of the time that Run n Gun is suggested on a weapon it's not even for the Run n Gun function but because of the generic/global buffs that the Blessing provides
imo Run n Gun should be sunsetted and made into a talent for Veteran
like roll it into wepspec default or something
unreal nova
Kraks is like, you have 3 kraks vs 20 crushers, unless you ding ding ding constantly that 5% lul.
The other two just has more utility.
arctic ridge
It is true in a competent team. Smokes is like bubble if used right, also makes ...
Yea that I figured, though what would be the ratio of 'choosing non-Kraks vs. Kraks' throughout a few months of havocs?
unreal nova
Yea that I figured, though what would be the ratio of 'choosing non-Kraks vs. Kr...
High tier are usually on smoke.
mighty kestrel
Shredder is better than Kraks if you not bad at boss damage
You can thow a Shredder in to pack of 10 crusher and spam light attack dualling sword them to bleed them to dead with uncanny
So if you know what you are doing Shredder is more utility than Kraks
hollow ibex
kraks are ok
pretty good for shoring up builds lacking cara damage
and deleting the fun-stopper-9000 (bulwarks)
mighty kestrel
If you not a meta slave, duelling sword ass so yeah Kraks
hollow ibex
what you take really just comes down to what you're missing
need more horde clear or space? frags
need more orgryn damage? kraks
no bubble psyker in h40? smokes
mighty kestrel
Maybe they should add more blitz for Veteran, something like a grenade laucher (โ โทโ โฟโ โทโ )
Would be so fun if vet have something like Hive Scum laucher
And Hivescum laucher gotta have a option for each situation
turbid ibex
Maybe they should add more blitz for Veteran, something like a grenade laucher (...
mf you are the grenade launcher
mighty kestrel
mf *you are the grenade launcher*
Bu..but wanna real grenade laucher ๐ญ
arctic ridge
what you take really just comes down to what you're missing
Agreed.
Between those two opposed vets, one of the vets was pretty much, anti-krak, pushing that 'krak has no place in a high havoc competent squad'.
Which personally, I think is a bit extreme though.
mighty kestrel
Krak is very still meta pick as long as rotten armor is still a thing
And lower difficulty krak is meta
hollow ibex
Between those two opposed vets, one of the vets was pretty much, anti-krak, push...
oh that's dumb lol
mighty kestrel
Shredder good is like un the high end middle if you get what i mean
hollow ibex
bro's playing on patches from last year when kraks were bad ๐
mighty kestrel
Like it's high, but krak is still very good
Shredder more utility if you know what you do with uncanny dualling sword tho so...
I run Shredder, horde clear is just too important too miss out
arctic ridge
Krak is very still meta pick as long as rotten armor is still a thing
Yea, the other vet brought that up, while anti-krak vet talked about the continued advantages of shredder & smoke > krak on rotten & the rest of high havoc -- but I can't recount them, my attention was to my gameplay getting through the Maelstrom enemies & environment.
That said, I have no idea how they manage to type so much, so fast during the game's downtimes. Elevator doesn't go on for that long.
mighty kestrel
Yeah I mean in Maelstorm you better have Shredder than Krak I'm be honest
Not like anti Krak or anything
Just better, and depent on your team too
Just pick what you want man, I just don't pick Krak bc Krak need 1 talent point to 1 shot crusher where Shredder don't need that talent point
You just need to macro light attack fast as possible them when they staggered in the ground to bleed them to dead so yeah (โ โโ แดโ โโ โฟโ )
steep flower
Shredder more utility if you know what you do with uncanny dualling sword tho so...
Even without it its overall superior
Kraks get value if you wanna chunk bosses and โhelpโ with carapace but thats about it; for rotten your main counter is CC
And DoTโs
Cause rottens DR does not affect dots
heavy rover
Outside of rotten armour I've had way better win rates in havoc when I use smokes
steep flower
Outside of rotten armour I've had way better win rates in havoc when I use smoke...
Smokes are good if you have a solid frontline/mixed horde clear in your team
Otherwise you lose
arctic ridge
On highest difficulties, would the up'd 30 sec of smoke be dis/advantageous?
steep flower
On highest difficulties, would the up'd 30 sec of smoke be dis/advantageous?
Ofc not; its the fact that smokes do nothing vs mixed horde so if you have to thin it you have no tools to do it (aka shredders)
heavy rover
I run power sword and sunder so mixed horde clear isn't too big of a problem for me
steep flower
I run power sword and sunder so mixed horde clear isn't too big of a problem for...
And that is a good strategic thinking right there!
heavy rover
and if the power sword doesn't finish them off, I also use the Trench Fighter Drills and Serrated Edge talent
arctic ridge
Ofc not; its the fact that smokes do nothing vs mixed horde so if you have to th...
To clarify, I mean -- for highest difficulties, which between the default 15 vs. up'd 30 sec of smoke, is the better advantage?
heavy rover
easy to charge up another set of strikes or the bleed finishes them off for me
steep flower
To clarify, I mean -- for highest difficulties, which between the default 15 vs....
Always 30s
mighty kestrel
Ofc not; its the fact that smokes do nothing vs mixed horde so if you have to th...
You can run power sword
Power sword is amzing with horde if you power it up very time
Just spam light power up u know
Power sword just ass with the dodge and mobility thing but overall it's nice to use
turbid ibex
power sword is one of the best melees in the game
jovial yarrow
Honestly good design to have such an offensive weapon have such ass defenses
willow prairie
you can play around it so it not really an issue
queen timber
Is there any vet support/stealth builds that use spearhead or bolt pistol
willow prairie
alternately play vt2 to get better at melee
tame lodge
Is there any vet support/stealth builds that use spearhead or bolt pistol
Bolt Pistol is whatever
It's just grenade spam
Big Bolter is alright though
You can use both marks
But they tend to go ExecStance
Instead of VoC/stealth
queen timber
Damn I need to get used to another playstyle then, I like the spearhead a lot for some reason
queen timber
Bolt Pistol is whatever
It's just grenade spam
Bolt pistol is actually good against ranged renegades and gunnermen
tame lodge
Grenadier build with VoC or Stealth
You can throw grenades while stealth
Just has to be underhand
queen timber
Yes
tame lodge
If you go ExecStance
With Confirmed Kill
And Born Leader
You can turn yourself into a toughness generator for everyone in Coherency
If you check the chart, that's support
queen timber
The team yearns for toughness
calm shard
Honestly good design to have such an offensive weapon have such ass defenses
except that it has high stagger so it actually has good defense too
tame lodge
Oh Also since you're going ExecStance Bolter
You'll path to get One Motion which means you also get Out For Blood
Which also means more toughness replenish for yourself and therefore your team
queen timber
You really turn into toughness generator, amazing
I thought exestance builds were complicated and so hard to play for some reason but it's actually pretty straightforward and beneficial
hollow ibex
Is there any vet support/stealth builds that use spearhead or bolt pistol
bistol frag build and that's about it
fading girder
i find the big bolt gun too cumbersome when trying to swap to mellee or kraks
queen timber
bistol frag build and that's about it
I'll try it out
queen timber
i find the big bolt gun too cumbersome when trying to swap to mellee or kraks
Yeah it's one of the heaviest veteran weapons
fading girder
i like me bolt pistol tho shame the gun n run perk was fun tho i switched from that
hollow ibex
I'll try it out
you can just take bistol instead of DB here
make sure to take lethal prox as a bistol blessing
queen timber
I see
turbid ibex
there is also the build on the pinned guide as well
queen timber
I'll look into that as well
faint beacon
If you check the chart, that's support
Something something throwing cause killing is better than support 7head smh
Even though EStance + Born Leader is unironically a disgusting combo
weak hamlet
That's a sight to see
tame lodge
Something something throwing cause killing is better than support 7head smh
Wrong chart
This one in specific is like
True Neutral = peel and buff
Radical=kills
Something something
Yeah that's pretty much it
serene bough
League 
serene bough
Its a swamp of degeneracy
faint beacon
Thereโs nothing I love more than putting an Ult Bot (Haze) in her place by pressing Metal Skin once and DPSing her to death as Seven
tame lodge
First of my family to have read that
faint beacon
Deadlock is kinda goated..
faint beacon
void dragon
tall torrent
https://youtu.be/oBI1nHBwHEQ?si=Th1khRqISH2_dVmm
(short answer, no)
if his preferred melee was a power sword instead of chainsword then probably yes
thorn lark
they specifically patched that out soon enough
I think I can still do that with Skitarius
void dragon
if his preferred melee was a power sword instead of chainsword then probably yes
i mean, if its weapon of choice would be the most busted one that make your build decent regardles of anything else, that would be an easy one.
do you think there is a build that makes the most of a chain sword? i have used it with recon onslaight with shred and bleed on rev, but that's mostly meme still
tall torrent
do you think there is a build that makes the most of a chain sword? i have used ...
given it's a weapon entirely dependent on pressing 2 for single target dps
no
silver patrol
owned
void dragon
garbo tier weapon, only on MorbidlyobeseShrimp it chould happen to one of the most iconic weapons of the universe
tall torrent
garbo tier weapon, only on MorbidlyobeseShrimp it chould happen to one of the mo...
I don't think it's garbage tier
void dragon
I don't think it's garbage tier
i know, im exagerating, i said i use it on a meme build but for me those are still very solid for auric and more
tame lodge
Garbage tier is exclusively for weapons with cleave damage distribution cap
tame lodge
Nuh uh
tall torrent
I think it's just bonesaw and DC sword
void dragon
what is the most garbo tier weapon for you mate? there must be one like the tier 0 Power Sword
silver patrol
what about crowbar
tall torrent
what is the most garbo tier weapon for you mate? there must be one like the tier...
I sent u tier list
silver patrol
insane
tall torrent
in S/A/B/C terms this would be like a A-
silver patrol
isn't t0 the best tier btw
tall torrent
or B+
yea
Items within the same tier are in alphabetical order.
No internal ranking within the same tier.
Tier 0
Combat Axe (III) - Hive Scum
Force Greatsword (both) - Psyker
Power Maul - Ogryn
Power Sword (VI) - Veteran
Tier 1
Arbites Shock Maul - Arbitrator
Assault Chainaxe (XII) - every other class
Combat Axe (III) - every other class
Combat Blade (VI) - all
Crusher - all
Delver's Pickaxe (all) - Ogryn
Duelling Sword (all) - all
Force Sword (II, IV) - Psyker
Heavy Sword (all) - Hive Scum
Relic Blade (both) - Zealot
Shivs (both) - Hive Scum
Tactical Axe (VII) - all
Tier 1.5
Assault Chainaxe (XII) - Psyker
Assault Chainsword (both) - Hive Scum
Battle Maul & Shield - Ogryn
Crowbar - Hive Scum
"Devil's Claw" Sword (VII) - Hive Scum
Sapper Shovel (I) - Veteran
Shock Maul & Shield (both) - Arbitrator
Heavy Sword (all) - every other class
Tier 2
Assault Chainsword (both) - every other class
Bully Club (all) - Ogryn
Cleaver (III, IV) - Ogryn
Heavy Eviscerator (XV) - Zealot
Latrine Shovel (all) - Ogryn
Power Falchion (both) - Veteran
Shock Maul (both) - all
Thunder Hammer (II) - Zealot
Tier 3
Bone Saw - Hive Scum
"Devil's Claw" Sword (VII) - every other class
this my tier list for melee weapons currently
silver patrol
i suppose it just feels like dogshit because otherwise hivescum has an excellent selection
tall torrent
if a weapon has a clear best variant then only that variant is considered
tall torrent
i suppose it just feels like dogshit because otherwise hivescum has an excellent...
nah it's genuinely not that bad
it's just that rashad pulls so far ahead of every other melee on hvs that the conversation is largely irrelevant
crowbar heavy atks break rager combo by default
void dragon
Items within the same tier are in alphabetical order.
No internal ranking within...
crazy to see poop scooper being not in trash tier for how bad it feels
silver patrol
is that the shovel
void dragon
what does Thammer is still missing? i know its cleave damage isnt that great but what else it lacks?
silver patrol
oh i forgot Ogryn has the shovel too
tame lodge
Mainly stagger
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what does Thammer is still missing? i know its cleave damage isnt that great but...
SP-activated atk carapace dmg
maniac stagger
cleave dmg distribution
block cost
silver patrol
Me when the weapon that should be literally all stagger doesn't stagger
tall torrent
if u take GW for TH (which u shud) it's alr at stagger
void dragon
oh i forgot Ogryn has the shovel too
what's the issue with the caparace dmg?
tall torrent
by alr I mean u can light atk stagger both rager on weakspot
tame lodge
You need a whole ass talent for stagger
silver patrol
uhhh
void dragon
You need a whole ass talent for stagger
imo would be fine supported with gun IF the cleave wasnt also an issue
tame lodge
Martyrdom goated as always
tall torrent
TH cleave quite good
H sweep 16.5 cleave
it's cleave dmg distribution that's not as good
void dragon
yeah it swings all the way you wish it to hit, but the damage it does doesnt feel good
void dragon
Items within the same tier are in alphabetical order.
No internal ranking within...
which tier you feel is the more balanced one? the 1.5?
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which tier you feel is the more balanced one? the 1.5?
somewhere between 1 and 1.5
turbid ibex
but only really the t0 ones are actually problematic right?
void dragon
funny how the scum elevates the almighty rashad to a new level of brokeness
void dragon
as the Emperor demanded
tame lodge
void dragon
leave the pure classes i actually like outside of corrupted Ogryn alone
tame lodge
Oh I just noticed Cleaver 6 erasure
turbid ibex
good
tame lodge
hollow ibex
Items within the same tier are in alphabetical order.
No internal ranking within...
crowbar should be tier 2 or 3 tbh
turbid ibex
i wonder what a ranged version of the tierlist would look like
tall torrent
crowbar should be tier 2 or 3 tbh
nah
hollow ibex
a wep totally dependent on one specific ult and keystone
doesn't deserve to be ranked any higher
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a wep totally dependent on one specific ult and keystone
that's also rashad
hollow ibex
you could take rampage and any keystone w/ rashad
and clean house
that is not crowbar
turbid ibex
a wep totally dependent on one specific ult and keystone
that doesnt really matter when you choose the ult and keystone you bring
lone escarp
Wow I have been sleeping on crit/ghost las pistol
I just ran a quick mission to test it out and its kind of wild being immune to shooters and critting hard with desperado
hollow ibex
u can do that on crowbar too
sincerely doubt you're ever truly "cleaning house" with a crowbar
esp with its horde clear times
hearty panther
i fought off an entire intergalactic invasion force with a crowbar once
fuck you know about me
turbid ibex
bank account information
tame lodge
Wow I have been sleeping on crit/ghost las pistol
Wake up
While I didn't research much about hiver
Crowbar has Unstoppable Force
So therefore
T0 weapon
tall torrent
esp with its horde clear times
it's rly not that bad tho
turbid ibex
it's rly not that bad tho
What do you run on it
tame lodge
it's rly not that bad tho
What's that?
15 seconds 30 bruisers?
tall torrent
What's that?
15 seconds 30 bruisers?
20 bruiser