veteran-class

[somber axle]

Arbites not caring about pox hounds because you have a gauranteed npc who will free you even if every other person is dead

silent dogs are not scary anymore

[coarse gorge]

Any other tips?
Im havoc 30+ with melee classes
Dont know how to play range properly

[slow spade]

oh my apologies, I assumed you were a new player.

what weapon are you using?

[coarse gorge]

Recon las with power sword
Shock mace with combat shotgun

Trying to learn plasma

[slow spade]

ah with plasma, I'd suggest going Weapon Specialist and using Psword. That way you can quickly proc Weapon Specialist based on what you need. Ragers getting close? Shoot an enemy you know you can 1-tap and proc melee weapon specialist and then you got the +100% crit shot (after 3 melee kills) to basically 1 tap any non-ogryn (except maulers)

also avoid using plasma to kill Bulwarks and Crushers

[tame lodge]

Never M2 with plasma

[slow spade]

^

it's literally never worth it

even after the ammo efficiency "buff"

[coarse gorge]

In general
How should i play
How much should i be shooting
What should i shoot

[tall torrent]

7:3 split between melee and ranged

at most 5:5

[elfin glacier]

I think ranged is best saved for specalist

[tame lodge]

Plasma anti ranged trash prowess is kinda meh

[elfin glacier]

and its all about target priority

[tame lodge]

So save it for elites and specialists

But if you do get some weapon with better anti ranged trash prowess

Try to shoot something that is away from teammates reach

Bruisers will get closer anyways so use your melee on them

[coarse gorge]

Thanks

[elfin glacier]

Im new to the game but Ive played a bunch of SM 2. And theres certainly some cross over. Such as the mix of melee and ranged. Since your already experienced with melee classes your probably going to be comfortable killing crushers in melee. So you can equip the vet with a good anti-armor weapon and have your main gun be good at both hordes/specialists. Generally, what you feel comfortable killing in melee, just kill in melee to save ammo. Bring out your gun to take out ranged specialists like snipers or when a big mixed horde shows up.

But for the most part it shouldn't really feel that different from playing a melee class since no one is like the heavy in SM 2 and completely without a melee weapon.

[young nacelle]

Be more dependent on ur melee cause the blocking and dodging is critical

Shooting probably the easiest part

[elfin glacier]

its no different from SM 2 where learning to consistently parry is a must. In some sense its probably best for your main gun as a vet to be good as Anti boss since thats the main use of your gun hahahaah.

[young nacelle]

Sm2 is kinda casual compared to darktide

[elfin glacier]

I agree lol

[young nacelle]

Darktide has some sophisticated combat shit

[elfin glacier]

SM 2 is certainly more simple

[young nacelle]

In a good way

[elfin glacier]

its part of why I decided to try this game. I wanted more depth to the combat.

[young nacelle]

They built a crazy combat system

[elfin glacier]

also, block, push, and dodge are more comfortable concepts to me then parry. I have the reflexes of a snail.

[young nacelle]

I’m surprised other games aren’t stealing dark tides combat systems

Like league did to dota

Valorant to cs2

[elfin glacier]

everyone goes for parry instead. REEEEE

I would love more games with this block/push/dodge dynamic

its fun to hop in and out of the strike range of a crusher while trying to land melee head shots lol

[young nacelle]

Dodge slide when crusher about to slam

[elfin glacier]

really?

[young nacelle]

Gets hard when everyone’s dead and ur jammed in a corner

[elfin glacier]

you can dodge slide? hmmmm

[young nacelle]

Ye takes 2 bars

It’s better

When spacing forward vs gunners

If u don’t do that in high havoc you’ll get fucked if no cover

[elfin glacier]

oh you mean just normal sliding after a sprint

[young nacelle]

Dodge slide

[elfin glacier]

or do I specifically need to dodge then slide

hmmm

so like dodge left or right and then slide

[young nacelle]

Yeah

[elfin glacier]

ah ok, that should be good for messing up the aim of ranged enemies

will certainly help when trying to kill snipers

[young nacelle]

It will mitigate some dmg but either go for cover or shoot them b4 they shoot u

Some people are crazy quick with weapon swapping and accuracy

The crazy good players I seen space/kite so well and use terrain as an advantage to buy time to ressurect

[mighty kestrel]

I honestly never learn to do that; it seems so hard to do

[young nacelle]

Like jumping through windows

It is very hard to do

Especially at havoc 40 but people do it which is crazy tbh

[elfin glacier]

@guide wip for the vet sniper template, are there any alternatives to the tactical axe? would the shovel be good as well?

[sharp epoch]

anything with good mobility is typically what you pair it with

[young nacelle]

Okay so click dodge and then click the slide button

So left and right

[sharp epoch]

dueling sword/knife

[elfin glacier]

ah does shovel not have good mobility?

[sharp epoch]

not exactly, it has good defenses but youre pretty slow with it

[young nacelle]

dueling/combat/power

Prob the top weps for vet atm

Everything works tho if ur good enough lol

[sharp epoch]

power sword is not that good with the sniper build cause you have no melee talents

[young nacelle]

I like combat knife but parry is so good

U can legit parry demon host to death

[elfin glacier]

how does the parry timing work?

[mighty kestrel]

super easy

[young nacelle]

It’s easy just need stamina

[mighty kestrel]

it's not like the Dark Souls parry or anything

[young nacelle]

U can parry crushers too

U can parry almost everything except for guns and bombers

And nets

Monstrosities get parried

Just keep spamming parry if u have stamina

[mighty kestrel]

https://youtu.be/YvB0dV9qqIU?si=eUg1iqccQaIgkU2x

[elfin glacier]

so how does the timing work? Just press parry when you see an attack coming? or right before it hits?

[young nacelle]

Honestly u can degen spam parry and get away with it

Perfect parry will do more dmg

Ngl if something is about to hit u and u don’t know what to do

Spam parry and dodge ur way out

[elfin glacier]

interesting

I'll need to try that out

[mighty kestrel]

man this game is like centred around one thing: can you kill crusher

if you and your build, your weapon can't kill crusher quick engound, kill it's fast before it's do the over head, you cook for surre

[young nacelle]

If u poke the crusher and parry his slam he prob dead tbh. Gets complicated when there’s 4 coming but dueling sword has hella mobility

[mighty kestrel]

I think that if you want to go far in this game, go to higher level like Havoc; you need to learn how to use the dualing sword and stuff, the overpowered stuff.

[young nacelle]

Definitely helpful

You need to know ur build tho

Some people are crazy good with the combat knife

[mighty kestrel]

that's true but I think Veteran have only like 1 good build, bc 2 other of his skill talents are just not good

[young nacelle]

I like combat knife vet because the bleed talent he has meshes so well with the blessings

60% weakspot dmg if bleed

[elfin glacier]

which Focus Target talents are worth taking?

[mighty kestrel]

it's does stack right? the talent 2 bleed stack with 8 bleed stack on the combat knife

[gilded vine]

I thought exe stance was good now

[mighty kestrel]

so basicly I got 10 bleed stack on crital hit

it's does stack right guys?

[young nacelle]

I get rending and the 60% weakspot

Uncanny

It does a fk ton of dmg

[mighty kestrel]

@elfin glacier if you like Veteran, I think you should checking out Tanner Lindberg
on youtube, just ignore anything else, drama, and stuff. The guy have good Veteran build

[elfin glacier]

I mean my favorite class in SM 2 is Tactical so lol

voice of command + focus target feels like home lol

[tall torrent]

redirect fire

[young nacelle]

Yeah they were spamming voc and bubble like a patch ago

[tall torrent]

he's a horrible source of info

[elfin glacier]

is the toughness healing worth it? or the increase stacks for focus fire??

[young nacelle]

Voc and bubble makes the game so much easier

[mighty kestrel]

Vet don't change that much from 6 months ago so I think this build is still good

https://youtu.be/mKgmZBOlzNc?si=dZt5rwPRkwJSMzYX

they nerf voc so you just don't spam it like 50 time

and just change the frag to the krak i think....

[young nacelle]

The nerf was needed

20s was too low

lol that shit was 20 second cd without any cdr loll

[mighty kestrel]

dualling sword too if you don't know how to use or dont like to use it

[young nacelle]

Voc and bubble still good

[tall torrent]

target down is good but usually not needed

[young nacelle]

Voc/bubble/ogyrn prob one of the safest team comps

[mighty kestrel]

I mean... who are you going to watch? Reginald? Reginald is not the "VETERAN GUY" like Tanner; Reginald is the Zealot guy

Mister E?

[tall torrent]

none

[mighty kestrel]

I dunno dude or you just have to trust yourself and go to game lantern sreach build

[tall torrent]

none of them are worth watching

[mighty kestrel]

Oki 👉👈

[young nacelle]

Ngl when u see pubs playing better than the YouTube videos shits crazy

[tall torrent]

tanner gets things wrong too often

E too

both are horrible sources of info

[young nacelle]

Recording a good run is easy but to be able to do it consistently

[tall torrent]

there're far better sources than them

[slow spade]

it's easy to get consistent good runs if you're actually good at the game

[tall torrent]

tanner actually gets things so wrong so often that it's easier to find what he gets right than what he gets wrong

lol

[young nacelle]

There be good veterans using helbourne

Fking poking everything

[elfin glacier]

does your guide rank the weapons?

[hollow ibex]

it should

would be really funny

[keen ruin]

still PS + plasma gun here, no ragrets

[tall torrent]

no, should I?

[hybrid plover]

Eh

I don't think so personally.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

[hybrid plover]

I think the weapons and how they can be set up have too much nuance to properly rank them.

It's why I've never really liked tier lists.

[elfin glacier]

ah ok

[hybrid plover]

Like i.e

Everyone will swear upon dueling sword being like

The literal best weapon in the game

Well not everyone but a good chunk of people

[tall torrent]

DS is a t1 weapon

[hybrid plover]

But, say, particularly for vet?

[tall torrent]

just functionally

I think it's high t1

[hybrid plover]

It's not actually that great because it doesn't fulfill much of what veteran needs in particular.

[young nacelle]

QuickDraw stub pistol takes some practice

[hollow ibex]

prob gets a decent amount of value in premade teams

[young nacelle]

Pulls out super fast so u get the 25% dmg hence the QuickDraw

[hollow ibex]

but otherwise eh

[hybrid plover]

But at that point, that's no longer by the merit of the weapon itself.

Because there's a team actively working around it.

[hollow ibex]

well it's more like the team is covering its weaknesses, allowing the vet to specialize

[tame lodge]

Bell curve meme but everyone is saying "Dueling Sword is great"

[hybrid plover]

Which is why I wouldn't say it's great still.

Cuz then what happens when the team's dead?

[hollow ibex]

out of spite

[young nacelle]

Team dead u run in a big circle and jump through shit to make space for revive

[hybrid plover]

lmaooooo

[young nacelle]

Easier said then done

[hybrid plover]

I've not seen this one before.

[hollow ibex]

i made it just now

[tame lodge]

Unfortunately that one is wrong but hey
Thanks for the effort

[hybrid plover]

I appreciate your hard and quick labor friend.

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-incorrect-you-got-it-wrong-false-gif-8877109044393951791

[elfin glacier]

rather than ranking weapons, it would be more interesting if the templates had any alternative weapons that were vaible for the build. Like the one with the double shotgun, does it work with a combat shotgun?

also, how does the Recon lasgun builds hold up compared to these template builds?

[young nacelle]

It’s up to you to make it work

Honestly

[tame lodge]

I'm never wrong and you know it

Still

Thanks for the effort

[elfin glacier]

ah so they are not the meta builds more just examples of builds that work

[hybrid plover]

I see what you're getting at. And honestly.

That's not a bad idea.

[young nacelle]

Some builds are easier and more forgiving

[tall torrent]

those are just example builds

the real "build" is the template above them

because vet builds don't rly have variation

[hybrid plover]

Vet Rework the 3rd when?

[elfin glacier]

ah ok, so basically even a recon lasgun build or combat shotgun build would have that core of always take talents

[tame lodge]

Wouldn't it be the 4th?

💀

[hybrid plover]

Yep. Because there's only particular cases where you set off from that template.

Like using a Helbore for example.

[elfin glacier]

so the 50% weapon swap speed is a must have? it really makes that much of a difference?

[young nacelle]

Wouldn’t say much buts it’s useful

[hybrid plover]

Nah.

[tall torrent]

no, but yes

[hybrid plover]

Some weapons can do without.

Like revolver or double barrel.

[young nacelle]

QuickDraw stub

[hybrid plover]

Because they already innately have great swap time.

And Longshot would do more benefit to hit breakpoints.

[young nacelle]

If u mesh ur weapons into a combination of sorts

[hybrid plover]

But for say, Bolter? 100% put that shit on.

[elfin glacier]

ah so its something that you need to test

is there a list of weapons with quickswap speed?

[tall torrent]

basically swap speed is better for everything that isn't handgun/shotgun

[young nacelle]

Idk I just go to meat grinder

Meat grinder is the best way to get an understanding

[elfin glacier]

does the combat shotgun have a fast swap speed?

or is that just double barrel?

[hybrid plover]

It's not terrible.

You could run it if you feel it's a little lengthy but perfectly doable without.

[elfin glacier]

how does this game not tell you all these important details? lol

[hybrid plover]

I have played this game, for nearly...

Actually.

[young nacelle]

Darktide has some depth to it

[tame lodge]

Fatshark

[elfin glacier]

when are we getting skinnyshark?

[hybrid plover]

And I'm sure there are things I still don't know about this game because the game does not tell you a damn thing like, 90% of the mechanics.

It's genuinely, frustrating, how unintuitive this game is about a lot of things.

[young nacelle]

Yeah I love getting fucking dumpstered

[elfin glacier]

so goblin is an old vet

"Ive seen things"

so many bad players, so many NOT PLAYING WITH THE TEAM

sorry, SM 2 PTSD lol

[hybrid plover]

To clarify. It was only fairly recently that I realized Smite's stun is connected to an enemy's hitmass to determine when they'll start actually getting stunned.

[young nacelle]

The best build for any class is the one that u can clutch with when the whole team is dead

[hybrid plover]

Which, would actually be a really nice thing to know.

Except you won't know, because the game doesn't explain what hit mass actually is.

😭

[elfin glacier]

Ive tried psyker but damn its squishy as hell. Maybe I should stick with smite for leveling since the stun is very clutch.

[tall torrent]

yea this is why smite doesn't stun ogryns or mutants that fast

[tall torrent]

nah just spam assail

psyker so op

[young nacelle]

Zealot very fun

[elfin glacier]

so basically just need to get more levels so I can spam Assail more

Zealot is very fun indeed, I love being able to slide dive into a group of ranged enemies and chop them all apart lol

[tall torrent]

u can do that on every class

[elfin glacier]

true but I might kill stuff more with my Vet at range

[hybrid plover]

Psyker is just not even in the same ballfield as the other classes.

And they can be very tanky too actually.

But they suck to level up.

[elfin glacier]

yeah but not while leveling so theres some pain there

[hybrid plover]

Okay, lemme clarify.

[elfin glacier]

that defelector blessing sounds amazing though. Being able to block ranged attacks? Game changer

[hybrid plover]

Only recently has Psyker actually seen real competition, which is Hive Scum

[elfin glacier]

Can Hive scum be tanky?

because Ive seen it discrubed as another glass cannon

[hybrid plover]

It is not a glass cannon.

It is simply a cannon.

[elfin glacier]

well if I buy a dlc it will be Hivescum

[hybrid plover]

Arbitrator's also good but for a different reason.

[elfin glacier]

especally since my friend got mr. I AM THE LAW

[hybrid plover]

Just, knocking crushers right off their feet on a regular basis.

[tall torrent]

ur not gonna believe this but vet is higher melee dmg than zealot

[elfin glacier]

I am actually not suprised at all

SM 2 has similar silly none sense where the sniper has more melee damage than the vanguard lol

in fact, sniper I think might have the highest melee damage period lol

[tame lodge]

And no melees

🚬

I just want more than a knife

[elfin glacier]

a knife is all you need lol

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

I need more
I want more

https://tenor.com/view/gluttony-seal-yuki-the-seal-yapping-eating-gif-16810010446926850096

[young nacelle]

Give vet relicblade

[tame lodge]

Will Falchion do?

💀

[young nacelle]

♿

[dry cloak]

I doubt vet will ever get 2h melee

[somber axle]

ChocoB and Mr. Unc are the two I watch. ChocoB is really good to watch for understanding positioning, blocks, dodging and how to safely loop in maps. There will be times when your team is down and you're the last one standing. ChocoB shows off surviving solo and then reviving their team a lot with different builds and classes. Mr. Unc is just fun to watch because he's entertaining but the last time I showed an Arbites build I learned from him in the Arbites channel they told me it was bad and to swap talents

He's still probably the most entertaining of all the Darktide youtubers I've seen

[hybrid plover]

To be fair, that actually makes sense

Snipers in militaries typically are also badasses at CQC combat

Trained for self defense for pretty clear reasons.

Now whether they should have more than Vanguard in this case, that's a whole matter but, I dig it.

[hollow ibex]

from a game design standpoint kinda fucked

[elfin glacier]

sniper might be a misleading name since the highest damage melee build usually pairs with a short range high burst weapon like the bolt carbine

[hollow ibex]

and snipers in militaries are much more highly-trained than grunts

[elfin glacier]

and its an entirely CQC sniper build lol

[hollow ibex]

whereas here they're all just space marines

[elfin glacier]

real snipers shoot enemies point blank in the face apparently

[hybrid plover]

A sniper is just an awkward shotgun.

A little quirky, perhaps.

[elfin glacier]

with a heroic weapon that buffs melee damage with 3 stacks on perfect dodge and bonus damage on first stealth melee attack, the sniper can do the same as that Zealot stealth build

and just one shot delete bosses lol

[tame lodge]

Hey
As long as it hits the target with pinpoint accuracy

[elfin glacier]

so yeah "sniper"

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-of-the-north-star-hokuto-no-ken-hey-as-long-as-it-works-as-long-as-it-works-winging-it-gif-5037582307183355084

[molten cedar]

"Gue'vesa why am I wearing an HEV suit from Half-Life"

[tame lodge]

https://youtu.be/b4bEuDd9djY?si=Nc6La_fj6Goa7t9K

[atomic void]

not even close

sniper can possibly do a lot of dmg per hit if u fully spec into cloak melee bonuses but bulwark/assault/techmarine all do better consistent melee dmg in general

[sly orchid]

Sniper clears for highest damage per hit

Stronger than the powerfist for sure

[atomic void]

too much effort (3 perfect dodges) vs mindlessly spamming pfist or ground pounds with zealous blow

[elfin glacier]

not the highest Melee DPS, but literally highest damage possible.

as for too much effort, I agree but Ive seen people solo absolute with it so lol

the skill celling in these kind of games is crazy

[atomic void]

Tbh highest 1 shot DMG is tac with max auspex + gladius

[livid vale]

Hey guys, I'd like your input on something because I might be wrong here :

REND is a status effect that lowers the armor, right ? So that would increase both YOUR and your TEAM'S damage on the target, correct ?

[sly orchid]

thats brittleness

[livid vale]

So what does REND do then ? is it just for you ?

[sly orchid]

rending basically gives you armor penentration

so you can deal more damage because the enemy's armor is lowered

[willow prairie]

rending is a buff to you

brittleness is a debuff to enemy

[livid vale]

Thanks for clarifying this for me ^^

[gentle lake]

Brittleness is the same thing but as a debuff on an enemy

40% less armor

[livid vale]

I'm trying to make a build that shreds ennemy armor for the team

I needed clarification on what effect applied what status

[tame lodge]

I have a suggestion

In which you're the one shredding enemy armor

By killing it

[gentle lake]

Psword does the job

[next acorn]

[tame lodge]

Also get Focus Target

"We'll have to kill this guy" keystone

[next acorn]

[pseudo fiber]

"How do I fix my marriage"

[tame lodge]

You gotta power it up duh

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

I didn't think much when I said that

But thinking about it

"Power Couple" is a thing

💀

Maybe I am the greatest writer ever

[turbid ibex]

pouple

[agile mango]

what blessings/perks on DS4?

[tame lodge]

Uncanny+ Precognition/Riposte

[agile mango]

any reason to pick precof over riposte or vice versa?

[tough nova]

If you have a lot of crit chance already I'd take precog

Thrust is good too

[tame lodge]

You want more CRIT damage or more CRIT chance?

[tough nova]

Wait are you egoistic higuis brother or did you change your name

[tame lodge]

Since ds likes crits in every way shape or form you can't go wrong with either of those

[tame lodge]

I changed my name

[agile mango]

idk at which % crit one gets better than the other

[tame lodge]

Feeling bonita today

https://tenor.com/view/narcissus-vain-disney-hercules-discovered-himself-gif-11539459

[tough nova]

Love that for you king

[agile mango]

also, do you know which is the dump stat for DS? IDK if its cleave or if its mo bility

[tough nova]

I dump mobi that sword already sucks with multiple targets

Its very nimble even at 60 mobi

[agile mango]

does cleave actually do something?

[tame lodge]

It doesn't change the cleave but

Strangely

It affects unarmored damage

[agile mango]

weird

thx

carapace unyielding for perks you reckon?

[tame lodge]

Iirc any combination of flak carapace unyielding

[livid vale]

As in it does that passively / there's a blessing for it ?

[livid vale]

That's a given, dw xD

[tame lodge]

It kills the target

It skips the part where you weaken them for your team

It goes to the part where the enemy dies

[gentle lake]

Power cycling + i forgot

[agile mango]

does unyielding actually give diff breakpoints on it though in havoc40?

[tame lodge]

Idk

[tough nova]

Sunder usually is the second choice

[gentle lake]

Yeah yeah sunder

Also use the mark with all diagonal swings

[tame lodge]

Did anyone tell you about Bloodletter Thunderous Chain Axe?
One rev is all you need to apply then it ends up applying 40% brittleness

So you just

Rev attack dodge cancel

[livid vale]

The point of the build I'm working on is the karkin' high Havoc Rotten Armor thingies

That's why I want to work on a build like that

[tame lodge]

Also because it's a chain weapon it'll do great against captains void shields

[livid vale]

It would include a Bolter with the brittle blessing + the brittleness aplying perk

[tame lodge]

Hmmm

But like

Havoc ammo economy

Might end up not supporting that

[agile mango]

as agile not worth it over precog on DS4 for rotten armor?

[turbid ibex]

agile kinda mid

[livid vale]

Unfortunately Kraks can only go so far

[turbid ibex]

actually no agile kinda shit

[livid vale]

And when you get 20+ crushers and Maulers, I beleive it would help a LOT.

[tame lodge]

No
You're trading a good blessing for dogshit agile

[tough nova]

The damage bonus is ok and you don't need the extra dodges if you manage your stam/dodge count. The utility is blah and the damage is outshined.

[turbid ibex]

its just +10% weakspot damage

[tame lodge]

Since you get all your positive dodges if you stop dodging for 0.85s by default, Agile will not have a place

Unless it's put on some heavy weapon with bad dodges

[willow prairie]

+10% weakspot damage is like nothing

[turbid ibex]

are there any weapons like that with agile in the first place

[willow prairie]

the problem is agile is on weapon that doesn't need them

and they're competing with other blessing on heavy weapon

[turbid ibex]

its literally just the weakspot damage perk 💀

[tame lodge]

Agile is on Taxe and DS iirc

So no

💀

2 of the greatest dodges in the game

[agile mango]

is carapce and unyieldng the move on DS4?

[turbid ibex]

probably

lemme check

[willow prairie]

both

[turbid ibex]

guide says unyielding, flak, carapace as options

[tough nova]

Throw stam on there be a hipster

[forest lagoon]

What's the best kind of builds nowadays?

[tame lodge]

The one that kills

[forest lagoon]

I run shovel and rotate between spearhead Boltgun and helbore

[tame lodge]

[forest lagoon]

I've spent too much time playing Psyker so I'm coming back to veteran

[tame lodge]

Anyways Melee wise it's
Power Sword
Rashad Axe

[forest lagoon]

i hate the power sword

[tame lodge]

Ranged wise you got options

[forest lagoon]

doesn't feel right to me

[forest lagoon]

I play a heavily ranged veteran

More sniper than melee

[tame lodge]

Too bad
Arguably the best generalist melee in the game

[tame lodge]

So it's likely that you'll be running Tactical Axe

Since those require nothing

Then you invest in ranged

[tall torrent]

easier bulwark 2 hit from the push atk combo

and better monster dmg but not required

I lean flak over unyielding on power sword nowadays

[forest lagoon]

I mean I use shovel atm

Usually for melee I run a duelling sword because the vibe is amazing

[turbid ibex]

tac axe is the best low investment melee option for vet

[tame lodge]

Well you did ask for best
Shovel is far away from best

💀

[turbid ibex]

specially for low investment

[forest lagoon]

please tell me the attacks are least side to side

[turbid ibex]

dueling sword also has the worst horde clear of any melee in the game

[tame lodge]

Mk2 heavies can side to side

[forest lagoon]

yeah but I can parry, and that's what matters to me

[tame lodge]

Push Attack is usually sides to side too

[forest lagoon]

oh vet has the devil claw!

[tame lodge]

Yeah but it's also

Far away from best

Actually I just lied

It's 1 or 2 buffs away

From being good to best

Specifically Flak buffs

Chain Axe is pretty good if you're into that

Shock Maul is pretty mid but low-key slept on

Just bring something for monsters

Heavy Sword is pretty good but bring something for carapace

[forest lagoon]

I rotate between helbore and Boltgun for ranged

[turbid ibex]

what do your builds look like

[forest lagoon]

I mean I'm level 19 so it's whatever

VoC or Exe stance, kraks, marksmans focus

[turbid ibex]

youre prob better off pathing towards the other two keystones

bottom right specially has a lot of damage

[forest lagoon]

I am willing to try melee specialist

[turbid ibex]

this is the standard template for vet builds

not counting the points for ability, blitz and keystone its 22 points, with those points counted its 26 points spent

so it takes a while to get a basic build done with vet

[forest lagoon]

This is what I've got so far

Any perks to buff my charge time would be nice

but I don't really mind

[turbid ibex]

both helbore and bolter really want the swap speed

[forest lagoon]

I will do things like weapon swap speed dead last

[turbid ibex]

and confirmed kill is generally a lot better than exhilarating takedown

[turbid ibex]

its borderline required for helbore and bolter

[forest lagoon]

It's the damage reduction that I want

I can just use both

[forest lagoon]

it's staying at dead bottom on the list of priorities

[willow prairie]

you can use helbore without one motion but you can be much more reactive with it

[forest lagoon]

I would like to pivot to exe stance when I have the points though

[willow prairie]

or pop exe

[forest lagoon]

especially for the Deadshot perk

I'm quite a fan of deadshot

[turbid ibex]

deadshot is pretty mid

[willow prairie]

weapon dependant but it usually leave you with no stamina for melee

for some reason deadshot recon is really popular

💀

[turbid ibex]

same for bolter

well actually idk if bolter is even really usable without one motion

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/they-got-him-ted-ted-show-gif-4342699035732514153

[turbid ibex]

the switch time is like over a second long on bolter without it💀

[turbid ibex]

you should also replace the ability node on the right with reciprocity

would also be a good idea to path through skirmisher+expose weakness instead to reach weapon specialist instead of engagement+onslaught

onslaught is not really good either

[forest lagoon]

I only picked it because I had to for weapon specialist

Skirmisher is useless

I can just pick this stuff up later anyway

[turbid ibex]

its not lmao

its one of the best talents on the tree

+25% damage for just playing the game

and then expose weakness also gives you another +20%

[forest lagoon]

The what?

[turbid ibex]

close quarters killzone

the one that gives close damage bonus on using ability

+25% crit chance from reciprocity is much better

[forest lagoon]

But I don't use dodges

mostly

[tough nova]

I would start

[turbid ibex]

dodges are one of the most important mechanics in darktide

only way youre surviving without dodging is by playing on the lowest difficulties

[tame lodge]

Better start using them

[turbid ibex]

yeah

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-dodgeball-duck-dip-tips-gif-16899633

[forest lagoon]

I don't play anything above heresy I'm ngl

[turbid ibex]

reciprocity is also pretty much 100% uptime compared to close quarters killzone

+15% close damage on ability use for 10s isnt really a big enough bonus to have uptime this bad

[turbid ibex]

still important to learn dodging

like there is no reason not to

[tame lodge]

I got it!

They learned how to face tank as vet

Pretty based ngl

[turbid ibex]

fank

[tough nova]

Nerf iron will promotes poor play patterns

[forest lagoon]

What?

[turbid ibex]

theyre being ironic

[forest lagoon]

I don't know what iron will is lmao

I'm not able to identify specific perks by their names unfortunately

[turbid ibex]

+50% toughness damage reduction when above 75% toughness

[forest lagoon]

Oh I think I have that one on

[turbid ibex]

yes

[hollow ibex]

i hope you do

[forest lagoon]

Most of my bad habits probably come from playing melee psyker

I also have a habit of suicide bombing people with that overloading perk

[turbid ibex]

crystaline will is a meme

[plain osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1Hyib7yX00c?is=-Yc-KXqpySB-wZww

I kinda wanna do this now

Now to find 3 other vets that are down for this

[hybrid pulsar]

Hey guys

Do you think they will add mortis trails perks to expositions?

[turbid ibex]

no

[amber vortex]

no

[hybrid pulsar]

Darn

[tame lodge]

Heh

Expositions

Heh

[turbid ibex]

expOwOsitiOwOns

[tough nova]

If they understood their player base better they would have already and made this mode like chaos wastes.

The bones are there to do it still but faith is unrewarded

[tawny timber]

Sup helldivers

[tame lodge]

This isn't the doxxing and harassment server

Smh

[mint chasm]

The helbore auto charge mod fully converted me

Goodbye plasma gun

[steep flower]

Lazyass

[mint chasm]

Holding left click makes me aim worse, I could never get used to it

[steep flower]

So skill issue
Got it

[mint chasm]

Yeah I'm pretty mid

I also use the auspex helper

[steep flower]

Oh that
Yikes

[mint chasm]

Yeah, I expose myself before others can expose me

To be fair I only just got it like a week ago and I've been playing for years

So it's not like it's really made a difference

[steep flower]

Exhibitionistic tendencies smh

[mint chasm]

Yeah I'm a FREAK

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[sonic kayak]

<@&735928989146939404> bot

(or compromised)

[sly orchid]

compromised

[turbid ibex]

cOwOmpwwOwOmised

[forest lagoon]

Is combat knife worth playing with melee specialist?

Being able to just spam my way through a horde is awesome

[turbid ibex]

it can work but your horde clear will suck

you could try to get around that by bringing double barrel but its not really something feasible to build at low level

[elfin glacier]

Whats the problem with dueling sword?

[turbid ibex]

extremely fucking overhyped by youtubers and people end up parroting their opinions

literal worst horde clear out of every melee weapon

[tame lodge]

Too strong

Too mobile

Only real weakness is the horde clear

Which can be easily mitigated

[willow prairie]

how is ds too strong

genuinely explain to me when all of the class that have it have much better option

[tame lodge]

6500 carapace damage parry 1 shot

High finesse

[elfin glacier]

Why cant you learn to STOP thinking for yourself. Youtube content creators exist to think for you. 😛

[young nacelle]

i always feel safer knowing i have a parry to bail me out

cause my dodging and spacing is doodoo

[elfin glacier]

I think real men stick with the shovel because its funny lol

[tame lodge]

Also like

No elite is a threat to Dueling Sword

[elfin glacier]

maybe I should use a weapon with parry because my situational awareness and spacing suck lol

which weapons have parry?

[tame lodge]

I mean

Dclaw if you want to suffer

[young nacelle]

devil claw sword and dueling

[tame lodge]

Dueling Sword if you want to get bored

[willow prairie]

I mean sure if only parry is reliable and the poxwalker behind you didn't hit you and make you miss the parry

[tame lodge]

Also dclaw parry is defensively better
So they aren't the same

[elfin glacier]

I am liking the helbore build quite a bit. Ive won some heresy missions. Wow, what a jump in diffculty lol

[tame lodge]

Try both

[elfin glacier]

Starting at heresy it seems like the zombie horde can spawn near infinitely lol

[willow prairie]

the weak horde clear can't be really be mitigated unless youre on psyker

[young nacelle]

yeah u gptta use the special on the helbourne

[elfin glacier]

what is the special on Helbore?

[young nacelle]

a bayonet

[willow prairie]

which have fucking superiority on fs and uncanny + wifi push attack

[young nacelle]

it's really good if uknow how to use it effectively

[willow prairie]

uh dogshit

[young nacelle]

seen some mad lad stabbing the whooe map

[elfin glacier]

was I trolled? lol

[young nacelle]

no joke

[willow prairie]

zero cleave, zero damage, zero attack speed

[young nacelle]

some people be cracked out on darktide

[willow prairie]

there is zero usecase for the special

[elfin glacier]

why do people use +1 stamina instead of more toughness curio or +1 wound?

does +1 stamina give another dodge?

[willow prairie]

stamina is a lot more important than people realize

help a lot for melee

1 wound is bad

[silver patrol]

Stamina doesn't give any dodges

[willow prairie]

unless you're on martydom

[silver patrol]

Wounds are next to useless

[willow prairie]

toughness also have diminishing return especially in havoc

[silver patrol]

You need stamina for weapons that like to use their push attack

[elfin glacier]

in heresy, Ive noticed I start with only 2 wounds but I see people with several wounds. How do they get so many? is that just higher level curios?

[silver patrol]

They equip 3 of them

Wounds curios are always locked at 1

[elfin glacier]

so those are just bad builds. Does that mean its normal to have just two wounds endgame?

[silver patrol]

Yes

[elfin glacier]

so I need to find another tougness curio and replace the +1 wound I got.

[tame lodge]

Mk3 and mk5 is a 3 cleave stab with good damage and stagger
On Mk4 is a 6.5 cleave vertical slash with less single target but better damage distribution

[turbid ibex]

ogryn has an extra wound

[silver patrol]

Yeah you should do that

Or take a health curio

Or a stamina curio if you use a weapon that uses stamina

[elfin glacier]

I have one toughness, one health, and one wound right now

I use power sword right now, does that need more stamina?

[young nacelle]

gamble ur weeeklies

[willow prairie]

yeah remember to mention 2 business day attack speed

[elfin glacier]

from trying it out. the power sword basic is push mobs away, activate special, do big damage, repeat?

[young nacelle]

right now

on curios

no balls

all of it

[elfin glacier]

is that the best use of the weekly currency? gambling on curios?

[silver patrol]

Yeah but you should get the blessing to extend energized hits

[turbid ibex]

special, block cancel, three lights for horde clear

[elfin glacier]

yeah Energize is way too short by default

[young nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/source-tmb-trust-me-bro-cyber-frogs-gif-8802056273938160257

[elfin glacier]

I have no idea how to do blessing, how do they work?

[turbid ibex]

special, push attack light light for single target

[elfin glacier]

how do you block cancel?

oh just block?

[turbid ibex]

tap block right after special

[elfin glacier]

interesting

strong attack is just for carapse armor or bosses?

[turbid ibex]

heavy attack is pointless

[elfin glacier]

really? So dont even bother. Thats really good to know.

[turbid ibex]

single target is push attack and two lights

[elfin glacier]

how do blessings work? Is it random

whats it cost?

[turbid ibex]

you unlock them in the mastery tab and you can apply them to the weapon at hadron

[elfin glacier]

oh so you can select what blessings you want? Its not random?

[turbid ibex]

theyre random when you get the gun/upgrade rarity

[tame lodge]

It's random when you consecrate

[turbid ibex]

but after that you can just apply whatever you want

[elfin glacier]

so wait, can I upgrade my weapons from lower tier to higher tier?

is that what consecrate is?

[turbid ibex]

did you ever go to hadron

[elfin glacier]

Ive never used her since I dont know how she works

Ive also not hit 30 yet lol

[tame lodge]

Consecrate is upgrading the rarity of the weapon

Which unlocks blessing/perk slots

[turbid ibex]

she is where you upgrade your weapons and curios

[tame lodge]

Empowering is making the weapon stronger

According to the bars

[elfin glacier]

So I can upgrade my purple power sword to gold?

[turbid ibex]

yes

[elfin glacier]

and completely swap the blessings on it?

[turbid ibex]

but chances are it will probably be a waste of resources

[turbid ibex]

yes

and perks

the only thing you cant swap is the stat distribution

[elfin glacier]

why are the stats random? Is it better for me to just put energize on my power sword for now and just wait for a gold tier power sword to drop? Whats the best way to get gold weapons?

[turbid ibex]

the rarity doesnt matter

what matters is the stat distribution

for power sword if cleave targets isnt at 60% dont waste resources upgrading it

[tame lodge]

But since you asked

Finishing a damnation mission gives you gold tier weapon

[elfin glacier]

oh so for power sword the key stat is having 60% cleave

[sly orchid]

you buy weapons until you get a preffered dump stat

[tame lodge]

Still randomized stats and all

[turbid ibex]

60% cleave targets

[sly orchid]

and you consecrate

you always want mobility or defense as a dump

unless its very specific cases

arbites can dump defenses on crusher in favor of power output

[turbid ibex]

power sword dumps cleave targets

[silver patrol]

Bad

[elfin glacier]

what do the partially filled in stats mean? Can I upgrade those stats for the full bar?

[young nacelle]

sell it

[elfin glacier]

also since the max on cleave isnt 60, its bad right?

[tall torrent]

When u upgrade it to 500 power rating

[elfin glacier]

ah ok

my other powersword is a Achlys but has 50 max cleave so also bad

[tall torrent]

Well

When we mean 60

We mean the max potential for a stat (in this case, cleave targets) is 60

[tall torrent]

This is alr but not perfect stats

Perks and blessings need changes

[elfin glacier]

does that mean the max potential for cleave is 80 on that, is that how you read it?

[tame lodge]

You read x/80

[tall torrent]

Left = current
Right = max potential

How else do u read it

[tame lodge]

With x being your current
80 being max

[elfin glacier]

so I want to find one with max potential = 60 for cleave

ok

[tame lodge]

Cleave Targets

[tall torrent]

Specifically cleave targets

Not cleave damage

They do different things

[elfin glacier]

oh ok

[tall torrent]

Cleave damage is actually ADM

[elfin glacier]

whats the difference between the Scander and the Achlyst?

ADM?

[tall torrent]

VI is significantly better than III

Refer to pinned guide on moveset and differences

I have power sword section updated to newest format

[forest lagoon]

Ok, this tac axe is wank

[elfin glacier]

whats ADM stand for?

[feral jetty]

which tac axe?

like mk wise

[tall torrent]

Armor damage modifier

[forest lagoon]

All 3 of them

absolute wank

[elfin glacier]

ah ok so quite imortant

[feral jetty]

I was using it a couple/few days ago and I really liked it

I haven't tried the combat axe tho

[forest lagoon]

combat axe is a top down elite killer I'm pretty sure

[tall torrent]

Combat axe and tac axe are both t1 weapons

[willow prairie]

caxe is just good at everything

just boring as fuck

[feral jetty]

the tac taxe mark I used only had strikedown heavy attacks

iirc

idk

[elfin glacier]

I didnt even know helbores have a charged shot? Am I suppose to be holding down attack to charge up its attacks?

[tall torrent]

You’re supposed to only ever charge fire helbore

[elfin glacier]

[tall torrent]

Helbore also really wants ranged spec vet which is significantly worse at melee than hybrid vet

[feral jetty]

is the caxe boring? D:

I haven't used it yet

[willow prairie]

its one of the "light for hode, heavy for single" type shit

[feral jetty]

oh

fair

[willow prairie]

does both really well

[feral jetty]

oh wait nvm I was using the combat axe lol

not tac

[elfin glacier]

the best use of the weekly currency is gambling on curios?

[tall torrent]

Yes

Or

Check hourly shop reset often

[elfin glacier]

so the armory exchange?

[tall torrent]

Ye

[elfin glacier]

I should check that often until I find an optimal stat spread

is there a list in the guide what the optimal stat to look out for with each weapon?

[tall torrent]

You could just

Scroll down

Before asking

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[elfin glacier]

I mean, its not clear unless I mised something

[tall torrent]

Scroll to each weapon section individually

[elfin glacier]

oh its listed in the stats block

[tame lodge]

True

Shit weapon

[elfin glacier]

my eyes glazed over these charts since its a lot of info with no context for what they mean (for a new player)

so I completely missed where the optimal stats were listed lol

[tame lodge]

(it's actually good but I call it shit for reasons that you will never care about)

[tall torrent]

When I said this is the simplified version of the guide, what I actually meant was that there’s nothing to skip

This is about as condensed as it gets so everything is relevant

[elfin glacier]

when you find a weapon with a minimum stat of 60, will everything else naturally be at 80?

[tall torrent]

Yes because the stat distribution is 380 split into 5 stats

[elfin glacier]

I wonder how long it takes to find an optimal one

[tall torrent]

All weapons except plasma and ripper take usually at most 200k dockets to get godroll

[tame lodge]

Took me 48 rolls to get the plasma

[elfin glacier]

oh is there a way to reroll the stats on a weapon?

[tame lodge]

.

[tame lodge]

You just keep buying grey weapons until you get it

[elfin glacier]

ah I see

I know the
where to do that

[tame lodge]

Yesterday I bought 48 different plasma gun

[tough nova]

You can only increase. When you buy it the max stats are shown so its just gambling.

[elfin glacier]

so is that the main use of our gold?

just gambling for perfect stats?

[tame lodge]

The second use is to get some cosmetics

Not the premium cosmetics

[twin sapphire]

Yes, but you don’t really have to worry about getting weapons with perfect stats until you hit level 30

[tall torrent]

No

[toxic reef]

69 thermal, 71 charge rate? that was fast in that case

[elfin glacier]

ah ok, just wanted to make sure Im not wasiting gold

@tall torrent Thank you for putting up with my barrage of dumb newbie questions lol

[tame lodge]

Low key got lucky
68 thermal 72 charge rate
8 shots

[toxic reef]

you'll eventually hit the point where you won't have anything to spend dockets on

and they'll just stay capped at 25 mil

[elfin glacier]

lol

[toxic reef]

nb, I got the perfect roll a few months back even faster than that

[elfin glacier]

no different than SM 2 really with its free currency

[toxic reef]

but on my other vet I had to spend 3+ mil

[elfin glacier]

was that on getting optimal plasma gun?

[tall torrent]

Plasma gun is the flat out hardest weapon to roll in this game atm

[twin sapphire]

Sm2 has stupidly low caps tho

[sly orchid]

very specific setup

which is very stupid

[toxic reef]

some would say super low roll warp res force swords is worse

[tall torrent]

That one is basically irrelevant

[elfin glacier]

69 thermal resist, 71% charge rate. Ah I see. So plasma is the only one with 2 stats they need to optimize

[toxic reef]

ye but some ppl do it!

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[tall torrent]

Ye and some people know better

[toxic reef]

they gotta spend their dockets somehow lol

[elfin glacier]

did someone name themselves the optimal stats? hahahaha

[toxic reef]

I get the feeling that's an alt account

[elfin glacier]

wait, what did you guys do before they added the shop to buy grey weapons?

[toxic reef]

ye here lol #veteran-class message

[elfin glacier]

lol

[vital wedge]

It's a new heresy now. People can get carried in that difficulty imo

[tall torrent]

Inhale copium

Remember this game launched without crafting

[toxic reef]

nah auric is never gonna be heresy

[tame lodge]

I wasn't around when Armoryless darktide was a thing

[elfin glacier]

I take it we dont talk about the before times lol

[toxic reef]

it's still a good filter

[vital wedge]

Remember the game constant crash and low performance on launch

[toxic reef]

yeah I started jan 2025

[tall torrent]

DT basically wasn’t a completed game until a year ago

[elfin glacier]

I picked a great time to join then lol

[toxic reef]

so I've at least experienced all the old trees of the main 4 classes

and havoc 1.0

[vital wedge]

My friend refused to play darktide because he think we mostly use gun unlike vermintide. How should I convince him?

[tame lodge]

Just say that you don't

Shrimple

[elfin glacier]

show him a video of someone soloing highest diffculty with melee only

[tall torrent]

Send him this?

[spark bough]

Should I be running focus target or Focus stance

Or whatever the left tree keystone is called

I'm tryna run las pistol

[vital wedge]

The john scab shooter era that can down john darktide within .5 second

[elfin glacier]

I have seen videos of people pairing that power sword with the revolver

[tall torrent]

Revolver is super strong

[elfin glacier]

Im guessing the revolver is just there to one shot dangerous specalists at range, everything else just dies to the sword

[tall torrent]

Yes

[tough nova]

Gambled endlessly to find something with decent blessings and perks

[elfin glacier]

it took 3 million gold to get something decent. Thats some bad gambling odds lol

[tame lodge]

I only got Power Cycler 4 when Unlocked and Loaded released

[tough nova]

Power Cycler was HORRIFIC to farm

That and manstopper when DBS came out made me irrationally angry

Cos manstopper only went to rank 2 so you wouldnt find it on high level chars

[elfin glacier]

wait? how did you guys get optimal blessings before crafting was introduced? Random drops?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

[tough nova]

Hadrons will basically

[elfin glacier]

hahahahahaha

oh god.....

[tough nova]

It was so bad

[somber axle]

It does feel like it a lot of the time yeah. Maelstroms have had better groups in my experience

But a good Auric HiSTG is always fun

[tame lodge]

You'd gamble for the perfect stats

[somber axle]

The spawn director has been extra silly lately

[tame lodge]

And then you'd gamble for the perfect blessing/perks

[somber axle]

I had it spawn a pack of maulers directly on top of me after I'd cleared the room and was going for a revive on my wiped squad

everyone watched them all just pop into a perfect circle around me LOL

Mauler jumpscare time

[tame lodge]

Hadron bricked so many of my good weapons

I actually wish I could shove a fork up her microwave

[elfin glacier]

did you survive?

[tall torrent]

RNGesus

There’s a reason this emoji exists

[somber axle]

no LOL I was greedy and tried to finish the revive instead of backing out of the circle before they aggro'd

all it did was get up a second person stuck in the middle to get wombo combo'd

one of the few times I was thinking Voice of Command would've been better than Exe Stance

but like you can't plan for the spawn director spawning enemies directly on top of you like that

[tough nova]

The pipe at the end of hab dreyko has been diabolical lately.

Sometimes both of those drop downs spawn 15 fucking crushers each

[somber axle]

Expeditions update broke a lot of spawns like the lift on Gloriana now consistently spawns enemies inside the lift before it even opens the doors

sometimes you get a Crusher pack jumpscare as the lift is slowing to a stop

[tame lodge]

Mauler Saturday moment

[somber axle]

I'm not complaining tbh it feels kinda fun

It's like Tzeentch shenanigans messing with us

[elfin glacier]

its a new higher diffculty mode

no place is safe, including elevators 😛

[tall torrent]

Elevators are especially unsafe

No room for kiting

[void dragon]

people corner themselves into them instead of pushing out, idk why

[spark bough]

How do we feel about the las pistol

[next acorn]

[spark bough]

Agreed

[tall torrent]

t1 weapon

[spark bough]

Is that good

I'm new to the game

[tough nova]

Laspistol ties together so many builds for me

[tall torrent]

Good

Not best

[spark bough]

I made a build that primarily uses the las pistol

Having infinite ammo is kinda funny

[elfin glacier]

I just read the cleave part of the guide

O.o

[tall torrent]

It is a more sophisticated version of SM2’s cleave system basically

[elfin glacier]

did fatshark really make cleave mass based? So rather then just a simple number of targets, its based on the combined mass of the enemies in the hitbox

thats.......crazy

Im not sure it matters against most enemies, it just means Cleave usually doing nothing vs very big enemies like crushers, is what I am guessing.

[tame lodge]

Well

[tall torrent]

Yes and it’s quite cool

[tame lodge]

For starters carapace stops all cleave

[tall torrent]

I was looking into SM2 cleave system and I was just baffled at how simple it was

[elfin glacier]

SM 2 is a very simple game

[tame lodge]

SM2 has cleave system?

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[elfin glacier]

Yes, follow through on melee attacks

[tall torrent]

Yes but it’s basically DT’s cleave damage distribution cap

[tame lodge]

Bruh

[tall torrent]

Cleave = how many enemies get damaged

But it staggers everything still

In a game with 1/30th the melee pressure of DT

[tough nova]

There are alot of really cool systems in this game that give depth to weapons and enemies

[tame lodge]

This says a lot about my 60 hours of SM2

At least 40 hours of sniper

[elfin glacier]

thats quite fun. As I said, my friend and I decided to try out this game just for more depth compared to SM 2. I do wish we had gotten into the Vermintide games.

[tame lodge]

Well but since SM2 cleave is being compared to DT CDDC
By my standards
It's shit

[elfin glacier]

SM 2 melee is a bit werid though, either your hitting a weakspot or your doing wet noddle damage

[tame lodge]

[elfin glacier]

well thats true of the guns as well

so even the guants feel tanky if your not hitting them in the head

[tall torrent]

The TLDR is
For consistently activating “hit 3+ enemies in one attack”, the magic number is getting >10 cleave on that attack

Carapace armor will block cleave
Mauler and scab rager, as well as all Ogryns and bosses are designed to counter cleave (high mass / carapace / made for single target dps), which makes u want to use single target attacks to pick them off as opposed to horizontal/diagonal sweeping attacks that are better for horde control

[tame lodge]

Definitely felt it on the 40 hours of Sniper on the rare occasion of misplaced shot

[elfin glacier]

Unless you spec heavily into melee damage and use block weapons for the damage buff, usually your gunstrike is whats killing elites, not your melee damage lol

[elfin glacier]

ah ok, so look for >10 values in the weapons chart in your guide

at least I know what to look for

[tall torrent]

Not entirely because some classes have talents that can improve cleave

The only class with no melee cleave talent is veteran

[elfin glacier]

feels bad

dont people use that momentum blessing to help horde clear though?

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum?

[tame lodge]

Brutal Momentum?

[elfin glacier]

yeah

[tall torrent]

It’s quite a bit more complex

[tame lodge]

Because there's a blessing just called Momentum

Which is pretty eh

[tall torrent]

BM makes u ignore hit mass and carry forth the previous target’s cleave distributed profile

Which sounds like gibberish

But what it actually does is

Normally ur melee attack hits lets say 4 guys

First guy takes full brunt of the damage

Second guy takes lower damage

Third even less

And eventually it’ll default to a rly low damage number

Stagger is also decreased between cleave distributed profiles

First guy takes full stagger

Second guy takes less

So on so forth

BM makes it so, if the first guy is killed on weakspot hit

The second guy continues to use first target profile (full damage & stagger)

[elfin glacier]

that sounds like warframe's cleave which is called follow through. Where each additional enemy hit by your melee weapon takes reduced damage.
Unsuprisngly, the best melee weapon in the game has a follow through of 100% so the damage is never reduced.

[tall torrent]

And then if the second guy dies by weakspot hit, the third guy continues to use first target

However this doesn’t go on infinitely

[elfin glacier]

ah so the important part is for brutal momentum to be worth taking you need to make sure your hitting the right benchmarks

[tall torrent]

Third guy is the end (4th target will be considered the actual first)

[tall torrent]

Breakpoints yes

This is why combat/tactical axe run unarmored damage perk

[elfin glacier]

I hate auto correct lol

[tame lodge]

@tall torrent seems like you don't have Assault Chainsword CRIT gimmick listed on your guide

[tall torrent]

I could add it in yea

[elfin glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Sk6w2D3gs

how accurate is this guys list? It seems to match up with the guide

my friend linked me this, I need to link him the pinnged guide

[raven raven]

Is that bolt pistol skin real?

[elfin glacier]

I have no idea lol

[hollow ibex]

Prob wrong

Can you screenshot the tier list so I can laugh at it?

[elfin glacier]

sure

I know from other games like SM 2 to just go on the discord for accurate info lol

every single game youtuber are the same lol

he says good tier are weapons that usually need krak grenades because they are lack carpace dps.

the sapper shovel is for I think its called skull cracker

[tall torrent]

yea wrong