#veteran-class

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void dragon
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has good horde management and can stagger even ragers with the push attack

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and its heavy rev hits quite hard

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also those are Orestes

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somethig else is that you could swap the bleeding for the field improvisation, both options are good imo

devout quest
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does curios matter?

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I switch to Orestes mk12 and helbore mk5

fleet stream
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I don't know if I'm going insane or not, but I feel like the Zarona Revolver has aim assist or something, almost never miss a headshot with it, moment I switched to the Helbore, I can't land a shot to save my life. Skissue I suppose

void dragon
# devout quest does curios matter?

the ones in the guide are very solid, would advice followin it but you do you, if you are starting dont feel bad upgrading ones you ahve to have better stats until you get a better one

fleet stream
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^This

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Until you're on high level, doesn't matter that much, besides getting max rolls are pure luck, sadly

devout quest
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k going to copy it

fleet stream
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For instance, I got multiple +17% Toughness on every single character, except Scum. I haven't seen a single one on the armoury nor contracts since dlc dropped

devout quest
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I always feel like two toughness is required in every class i run

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don't have scum yet

fleet stream
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Toughness is the best overall for 99% of builds

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Some Zealot, Ogryn and Arbites builds go full health

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Then scum is the only one that has actual use for stamina afaik

devout quest
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so scum is a fast stabby guy

fleet stream
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Until shivs get nerfed

ocean crater
devout quest
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rip

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did they nerf plasma

narrow frost
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yes

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but slap on wrist

ocean crater
narrow frost
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nothign changed

fleet stream
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Infinite cleave nerf isn't even noticeable because half the time it wouldn't matter because it'd stagger enemies out of the beam anyway

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Still no reason to charge it because light fire is already overkill on everything

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and 3 light shots pretty much do the damage a single charged shot does

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Plus no overheat risk from spamming lights

tame lodge
devout quest
fleet stream
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Buff the Helbore by giving it better sights

dense light
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You don’t like aiming through unzeroed, unlevel pitchforks?

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Carry handle irons are honestly more appealing by comparison

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I’d prefer just point shooting it with a laser light than aiming the damn thing.

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It’s the EBR’s 👨‍🦼‍➡️ inbred cousin. It’d be alright if Fatshark outsourced us a full-auto Lucius at some point

tall torrent
tame lodge
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bigger bullets, better pizza

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psykah johns

fleet stream
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Yeah, know that, was thinking more of a debug visuals, but doesn't really matter that much

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Rn i'm just tinkering with a H40 Helbore build

craggy relic
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question- whats a good lasgun build for the gun itsel;f

shrewd crystal
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which

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infantry or recon and which mk

craggy relic
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Infantry

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Uhhhh mk with slow fire n best damage

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Unless there’s better

fleet stream
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You can check gameslantern to find builds with specific weapons n stuff

shrewd crystal
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cookie cutter las crit build works very well, for blessings i reccomend headhunter and deadly accurate to capitalize on the crits, i do not reccomend the slowest infantry lasgun

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the dps on it is pretty eh, i reccomend at least mk VII or mk IIb

fleet stream
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Infantry is mainly sustain over raw dps

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You really have to go out of your way to run out of ammo with it

shrewd crystal
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i mean, the recon is also really good on sustain and has even better dps due to the RoF benefiting more from certain talents

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lasguns in general are just good on ammo if u just go for crits and shocktrooper

craggy relic
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yeye

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Im goin for like- a guardsman build

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with shovel and infantry las

fleet stream
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Would still prefer for fatshart to give us the fuckin hot-shot volley gun

craggy relic
fleet stream
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Recon lasgun is cool and all

craggy relic
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also- I lied

fleet stream
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But I want to plant down like a tree and melt everything i see

craggy relic
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Im using a knife

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XD

fleet stream
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Plus recon lasgun looks like a toy ngl

craggy relic
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LOL

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real

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sooo what blessings and perks should I give it?

shrewd crystal
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infantry?

fleet stream
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I personally run Infernus+Efficiency, Mark IX

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Really bothers me how a laser pointer has recoil somehow and the recon & pistol has zero recoil

shrewd crystal
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deadly accurate(+100% critical weakspot dmg) + headhunter(+20% crit chance per weak spot hit up to 5 stacks till u get a crit) is my go to

shrewd crystal
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for whatever reason

dry cloak
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@fleet stream try 2b. It has less recoil now

fleet stream
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Having less recoil doesn't fix the problem of a laser gun having recoil to begin with

craggy relic
austere mica
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Lasguns have recoil because when they didn't have recoil in the beta, people said they felt bad to shopt

craggy relic
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is withering fire good for lasgun?

dry cloak
austere mica
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Recoil makes a gun feel better to fire

fleet stream
craggy relic
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I thought it made boltgun better...

austere mica
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Is that the new ranged cleave

craggy relic
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yea

fleet stream
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Weapons without cleave get nothing, weapons with cleave already it's redundant

austere mica
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It makes brauto better i guess

craggy relic
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damn.

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ok

fleet stream
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Just piercing 1 enemy is more than enough

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More is overkill

craggy relic
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cant overkill a heretic

austere mica
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For precision weapons mostly

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Punching through trash to hit things is notably useful

austere mica
dry cloak
fleet stream
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Since the update i haven't seen a single one

austere mica
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Its not even dead its just less effortless

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Its still infinite ammo

dry cloak
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Yeah

austere mica
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It just has the barest of constraints

fleet stream
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Yeah, but people took it to shoot it forever and that's what people liked I assume, so taking it away is basically "what's the point"

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I never got the "scum 2 hard 4 me" complaints, but i'm a c3dwons forged idiot

austere mica
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Having to play the game

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And interact with the mechanics

fleet stream
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mechabics

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Gotta admit pickpocket was singlehandedly keeping infantry+braced autoguns out of the trash bin imo

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That plus stimms

hollow ibex
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it's only braced that sucks

fleet stream
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Both are too ammo hungry

hollow ibex
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nah it's really not that bad

fleet stream
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I still pray for Braced buffs

hollow ibex
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you just have to remember your melee exists

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brauto is kinda pathetic tho

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really should've been buffed when HIV came out

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but they just keep ignoring it

fleet stream
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IAG are useless when the classes that can use them have access to Bolters, excluding scum

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Can smuggle a rocket launcher but not a bolter smh

hollow ibex
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bolter can't do that

fleet stream
hollow ibex
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not like bolter is particularly ammo efficient either lol

fleet stream
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It is, actually

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It just doesn't have excessive ammo

hollow ibex
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it's the same way vraks IAG is ammo efficient

fleet stream
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Afaik, it had it ammo reserves nerfed

hollow ibex
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hitting the head kills things very quickly

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i'd say they're similar in terms of ammo efficiency

fleet stream
hollow ibex
fleet stream
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And fatshart has a love boner fir carapace

fleet stream
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Discord gets worse every day

hollow ibex
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hint: it's a crusher

fleet stream
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Assuming it's a scum with stimms and desperado

tame lodge
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It's a vet

hollow ibex
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it's a vet

tame lodge
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Vet can just do that

hollow ibex
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hiv prob can too to some degree with stimm

fleet stream
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Would get better results with a bolter

hollow ibex
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nah

tame lodge
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Idk you didn't watch the video

hollow ibex
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i think bistol can be built to have faster ttk than bolter

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bolter crusher dps isn't very good

fleet stream
hollow ibex
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yeah i wouldn't recommend spraying crushers

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in general

fleet stream
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Plus general horde clear and boss nuking

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To each their own, ultimately

hollow ibex
fleet stream
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IAG just chews too much ammo to deal it's damage

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Braced just sucks

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So do vigilant

hollow ibex
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you should prob spend some time with IAGs given you clearly haven't spent much time with them lol

fleet stream
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I did

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A lot

hollow ibex
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i doubt it

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you would know better

fleet stream
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Used to also run IAG Arby

hollow ibex
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there's a reason why VIAG is considered the strongest desperado gun

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and VAG is superb... if you can hit heads

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if you can't, then yeah, it sucks badly

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it sucks for me, but i'm not going to pretend it's the gun's fault KEKW_ogryn

fleet stream
tame lodge
fleet stream
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A funny revolver dealing way more damage than the Vigilant is funny

hollow ibex
tame lodge
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Rev got no ammo 🗣️

gentle lake
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played some auric exec vet after a long time

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and man

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it feels like power sword is infinite toughness

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i used smokes too

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they do legit work

tame lodge
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Got tired of searching for Darkest Dungeon mods

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Imma peace out

fleet stream
tame lodge
gentle lake
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my biggest issue with exec stance is the zoom

fleet stream
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Once again, it's only problem is ammo imo

gentle lake
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wish I get risd of the zoom

tame lodge
gentle lake
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i used infantry las gun too

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very good

tame lodge
gentle lake
craggy relic
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question- for a lasgun build is stealth ability good?

hollow ibex
gentle lake
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headshots aren't too hard to do

fleet stream
craggy relic
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fair

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thats what I was doin anyway

fleet stream
gentle lake
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I felt I could be a sniper and actually look after myself pretty well

hollow ibex
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infil doesn't synergize with much

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besides frags

gentle lake
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not using nades is nice.

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i mean krak

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why use krak when u have psword

tame lodge
craggy relic
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I think all I need to do is change up my perks on it lol

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carapce or flak armor damage

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im running 10% ranged crit hit damage already

gentle lake
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also

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I feel psword rlly cuts thru bulwarks

craggy relic
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and I dont thinnkkk I need to get rid of it?

tame lodge
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Flakiac upon ye

craggy relic
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oki

fleet stream
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The worst part of using the Falchion in a build is using the Falchion

gentle lake
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the falchion is

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usable

fleet stream
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But stupid next to the power sword

gentle lake
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it is

hollow ibex
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falchions honestly ok as a ranged build sidearm

gentle lake
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i rlly do not know why they added it

hollow ibex
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because the drawback of dogshit cooldown isn't such an issue there

gentle lake
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the damage is

fleet stream
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Only thing it has over poser sword is mobility, but still... It sucks bad

hollow ibex
hollow ibex
gentle lake
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the damage is only so low so we dont get another relic blade

hollow ibex
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prob rashad levels when powered

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this is on old crusher hp

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but you get the idea

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it's not bad

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(when powered)

fleet stream
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Once again, power sword

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Power up, slash twice, horde's dead

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Power up, stab crusher, it dead

hollow ibex
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well every melee wep compared to psword is kinda pointless

fleet stream
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Not really

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It's just that the falchion doesn't really have an identity of it's own

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Besides diet relic blade

hollow ibex
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well that's true too

fleet stream
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Just make it slice through zerkers and it'd be good enough imo

gentle lake
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honestly yeah falc has it on the psword when it comes to mobility

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thats something i immediately noticed

tame lodge
hybrid plover
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Ironically, you're actually a tad faster on your feet in movement speed with power sword than falchion generally since mobility isn't the typical dump on it

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While it is on falchion

tame lodge
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Waiting a whole year for mid

hybrid plover
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But the dodges.

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Are horrible.

fleet stream
hybrid plover
gentle lake
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but at the same time to me, psword has just enough mob to withstand something like crusher for me to kll it

fleet stream
gentle lake
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maybe falc needs more stagger?

hybrid plover
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But

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You're not staggering em

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So it legit doesn't matter much if you're in an remotely dense horde of em

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It has the damage.

gentle lake
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ok the problem w falc is having an animation like the psword that I deactivate it after 3 hits

hybrid plover
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But literally nothing else about it that makes it a reliable melee to, ya know, do melee stuff with.

gentle lake
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not cool

tame lodge
fleet stream
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Falchion needs 2 major buffs
1- Damage tweak and stagger buff
2- Good skins cos got damn they all fuckin suck so bad

gentle lake
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yeah but damage is never happening because thats a step closer to relic blade

tame lodge
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Cosmetics 🛌

gentle lake
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cosmetic slop

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take what you get from the servitor lady!

fleet stream
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Said tweak, not buff

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Which is mostly the stagger i suppose

hybrid plover
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It could do with an adm tweak too honestly

hollow ibex
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we're all set

fleet stream
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Idk why they buffed the shit out of scum

hybrid plover
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the preconceived notion that scum is squishy based on the time period when leveling the class was pure ass

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and all of the people who kept saying it was a bad class when it was really just a skill check class that a lot of people were failing

tall torrent
fleet stream
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I'm too verminpilled, guess I was already programmed to abuse the dodges from launch

silver patrol
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people still think it's a class that loses almost all of its hp in one hit

hybrid plover
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the humble rampage scum eating a crusher overhead

hollow ibex
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😭

fleet stream
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People designing a glass cannon then decides to just make it a steel cannon instead

hybrid plover
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the supposed

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"glass cannon" in question

fleet stream
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Honestly, pickpocket nerf killed the joy i had in just gun running, but the excessive buffs made me lose interest entirely tbh, so since then i'm just playing vet

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And helbore has been a jolly good time

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Just wish fatshart pulled their crusher boner so i can stop using kraks

hybrid plover
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yeah Scum at most needed some accessibility tweaks

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I did not expect a full buff

distant mural
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Yup

hybrid plover
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Funny thing is

distant mural
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The buffs where NOT necessaryKEKW_ogryn

hybrid plover
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I don't even think Splash Damage is the worst part of the tree rework.

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It's Street Tough.

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That talent.

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Needs to fucking goooooo.

distant mural
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I dont mind it too much but its certainly quite strong

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What was it changed with btw?

hybrid plover
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Nah it's grossly busted.

distant mural
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I dont remember

hybrid plover
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There was no change.

austere mica
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Me when I'm bored so I have to give hive scum buffed Gromril Curse

distant mural
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Ah it just got addet?

hybrid plover
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It's a completely new talent that replaces Gang Touh.

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I'm sorry.

distant mural
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Yeah what did gang tpugh do?

fleet stream
hybrid plover
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A 360 degree stagger that procs on taking any kind of melee strike, every 8 seconds

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Is completely overkill.

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AND the dog immunity.

hollow ibex
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i wonder if it can stagger ragers

hybrid plover
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That isn't even mentioned.

hollow ibex
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i noticed the stagger being pretty strong

hybrid plover
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Yes it fucking can.

hollow ibex
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it's not like vulture's fart

fleet stream
hybrid plover
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And I seriously hate that it exists.

austere mica
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Its statistically superior to Masters Retribution in every single metric

hollow ibex
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👏

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chatgpt balanced game

hybrid plover
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I don't run it.

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I don't like it.

fleet stream
hybrid plover
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If the cooldown was like

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A minute.

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I would think it's still a good talent.

distant mural
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But hey scum got „nerfed“ sooooooo hatd by pp changeKEKW_ogryn literally unplayable

hybrid plover
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8 seconds?

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Absolute nonsense.

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It's so frequent that I also don't like running it because it actually throws off my flow in melee.

austere mica
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Gromril curse is 20 seconds btw

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And is the best option in that row

fleet stream
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Made by the same person that nerfed BH's Double Shotted and buffed daggers

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Anyhow, vet channel

hybrid plover
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I do need to try Heavy Sword on vet

fleet stream
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I love shouting and shooting

hybrid plover
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See how that fares.

fleet stream
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I honestly didn't really see the Hsword changes

hybrid plover
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It basically became my favorite weapon on Scum

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It is

fleet stream
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I'm mostly using the shock maul in 90% of builds

hybrid plover
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So fun actually.

austere mica
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Hsword was already disgusting

hybrid plover
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More mobile, and is actually pretty decent against crushers now because of the reworked special

fleet stream
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Afaik it's just that Crushers ruined half of the game's weapons

hybrid plover
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They gave it built in brittleness.

fleet stream
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That's neat

hybrid plover
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It's now the second melee weapon that can do that just, on its own without a blessing.

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It's 10%.

fleet stream
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I'll check a scum build with it mayhaps

hybrid plover
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But on a weapon that hits as hard as heavy sword does baseline, it's actually pretty noticeable.

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Not the greatest but, you're basically nuking everything else.

fleet stream
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I hate shivs, honestly, and crowbar doesn't feel good for me

hybrid plover
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Shivs got really boring to me

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I'd rather just use knife

fleet stream
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Time to give the sword a try tomorrow

hybrid plover
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If I really wanna play fast

fleet stream
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Also nerf the fucking needler, it's boring af and does way too much

lunar maple
gentle lake
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what the fuck

sick sluice
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dont do drugs

lunar maple
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That’s what drugs does to you

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Remember kratos

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This is what he looks like now

tall torrent
dapper pier
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New title unlocked: Stimm of War

gloomy pawn
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Im playing a grenade veteran build, currently at lvl 25, what melee weapon should I use

tall torrent
hybrid plover
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disappointing, ain't it?

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I guess technically it's the first one if we're speaking chronologically

tall torrent
tropic halo
lunar maple
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He sold the rights to his name for more stims

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Sad thing really

tame lodge
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Boy
I sold the house to buy more fent

heavy rover
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boi

spare cedar
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has anyone tried the new heavy sword into rotten armor

hearty snow
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is this build good

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turbid ibex
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Other than that its pretty solidthumbsup_ogryn

steep flower
hearty snow
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shield and combat shotgun

turbid ibex
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Shield?

quaint marsh
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He's done for when arby catches him

dry niche
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Is plasmas pen change even noticeable ?

dry cloak
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No

dry niche
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Didn't feel like it was

turbid ibex
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Not really

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Most noticeable change was the slower draw speed

dry niche
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Is One motion actually useful because of it?

willow rain
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Opinionate

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pseudo fiber
turbid ibex
willow rain
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I've been debating swapping superiority complex and rending strikes to get precision strikes

turbid ibex
willow rain
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I'll think about it only because I'm not using a recon las anymore

turbid ibex
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And swap rending for skirmisher

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You lose out on a good chunk of damage by not taking both

willow rain
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Yeah alright

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I'll do that

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I was looking to get rid of rending ngl

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I run this with spearhead psword btw

turbid ibex
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You should also prob swap out for blood and either field improv or serrated blade for the +30% weakspot damage node

willow rain
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I have field improv

turbid ibex
willow rain
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? I mean it's not bad, 15 round mag 10 get buffed?

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Better than a recon

turbid ibex
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Too long of a draw time

willow rain
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One motion

turbid ibex
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It doesnt buff 10 shots

willow rain
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I understand now

dusk osprey
turbid ibex
dusk osprey
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would love to earnestly try that as a weapon

hollow pier
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Could you use a bolt pistol instead for shorter draw and reloads?

willow rain
turbid ibex
willow rain
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I won't use plasma to be blunt

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I don't like it

turbid ibex
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99% of the reason to use bistol is boosting grenade aoe

willow rain
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loregryn why take a capstone at all

turbid ibex
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If youre looking for a sniping sidearm on weapon specialist revolver just blows it out of the water

willow rain
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Oh nah I mag dump with the bolter

turbid ibex
turbid ibex
willow rain
dusk osprey
willow rain
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Fair, I was debating it but I like the auto reload and the melee buffs ngl

turbid ibex
willow rain
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I joke about it decently often nowadays

hollow pier
turbid ibex
dusk osprey
willow rain
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Fuck I'm bad at remembering to use FT no_why

dusk osprey
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logged everything on games lantern only for the tree rework to not even affect me 😌

slim hamlet
turbid ibex
distant mural
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It didntchadgryn

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She is above perks and blessings

dusk osprey
spare cedar
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lethal proximity

dusk osprey
dusk osprey
turbid ibex
dusk osprey
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that'll do it. i've never had a good enough demo build so i never ran lethal prox when i was using bistol so that checks out

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i'd still have a hard time going back to it tho imo- i like everything abt the quickdraw better between the two

slim hamlet
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And all the grenade talents?

dusk osprey
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i just realized i was lost in vet chat lmao what am i doing here

slim hamlet
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I like shredder but krak is more utility

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lol

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Feels like constant chaff is not stopped by buffed shredder while a good melee gets me through it all and kraks speed up hard spots

turbid ibex
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Shredders help with ragers and maulers cause of the stagger

slim hamlet
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From bleed or only the explosion?

grand perch
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One of us now

pseudo fiber
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Fresh meat GET THEM

boreal zenith
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anyone else think the game is way easier with ai?

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instead of real people

narrow frost
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Yeah

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That's why I use solo mod

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No teammates to pop barrels or agro dump

boreal zenith
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im a bad player. iget hit by dogs and trapper kinda often. but at least ai helps me when i do

junior hawk
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guys do i pick +50% cleave talent for plasma or boltgun in havoc?

boreal zenith
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unlike real people

narrow frost
junior hawk
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got it thanks

dusk osprey
tawny badger
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does anything even stop a plasma gun shot
I thought they had an absurd amount of cleave already

turbid ibex
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Hipfire used to be 55 cleave but now is 9

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Which is still really high for a ranged weapon

tawny badger
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hm

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that talent would help with punching through bulwarks at least

turbid ibex
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Im pretty sure you can still ignore bulwark shields?

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I dont think those were ever affected by cleave

tawny badger
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No I get that but
going through the bulwark to hit whoever's behind him

turbid ibex
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Oh

tawny badger
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-# then again if you're doing that I guess you can just charge the thing

turbid ibex
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Nah

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Charged shots still not really worth

tame lodge
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Idk
Maybe you're fighting a wall of bulwarks and a trapper shows up behind them

turbid ibex
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Would rather throw a krak tbh

silent bramble
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Is mobility still the dump stat for guns

turbid ibex
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Pinned guide has dump stats for each weapon

rocky vine
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they need to release a catachan skin set and a belt fed LMG for vet in the same update

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and an autocannon for ogryn

rocky vine
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why do we not have it. It is litterally on the talent tree

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rocky vine
arctic ridge
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Any other Veterans who play Damnation-Auric expeditions?

Was wondering if -- with the Swagger sanctuary as a full resource hub -- whether the global-damage buff Fire Team aura can have a use instead of the typical ammo-replenishing Survivalist aura. Since (the times it's been successful) the squad splits up to loot different spots simultaneously for the rather ambitious 100% site clear.

turbid ibex
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survivalist still prob better cause its your only source of ammo outside of the shrines

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and idk how much of a difference +7.5% damage would make

void dragon
#

someone has tips to make a zealot pseudo sniper for expeditions? for those recurent cases where no one shoots the tox bombers

turbid ibex
#

if anything the move speed aura might be a better option

turbid ibex
void dragon
turbid ibex
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ig you could take revolver

arctic ridge
# turbid ibex and idk how much of a difference +7.5% damage would make

That's what I wonder too. I haven't tested it out yet with my Darktide squad.

Movement speed buff would sound nice in terms of closing the distance -- but it's a coherence benefit, which wouldn't be shared for those who split off to simultaneously loot other places within the limited mission timeframe.

turbid ibex
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but knives just do its job

turbid ibex
void dragon
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so there isnt really anything for zealot to try tackle long range combat, just dive in melee indiscriminately

turbid ibex
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and having all players split off is extremely risky since one random player can get hit with trapper or dog in the middle of nowhere

arctic ridge
turbid ibex
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its just that the other two auras dont really do much

torpid grotto
#

Laspistol works well

turbid ibex
#

i doubt that damage bonus is giving anyone in your team any breakpoints

tough nova
arctic ridge
#

I had wonder about that. Still, have to hold out in a spot with 2, til the skulls do their thing.

tall torrent
arctic ridge
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Though I haven't considered yet, which other expedition-oriented-classes, are ammo-hungry.

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Field Improv is pretty much a standard for expedition, nonetheless.

turbid ibex
spare cedar
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Is mmf a must take when running exec stance?

turbid ibex
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no

spare cedar
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Ok

dry cloak
turbid ibex
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ft isnt really weapon dependent

arctic ridge
#

So far, my Arb squadmate takes solo ventures to loot other spots. To, varying degree of success. But us squad are still thinking on how to effectively & consistently 100% objectives Auric expeditions.

spare cedar
arctic ridge
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Not that it has an achievement, but it's our current fun.

dry cloak
dry cloak
spare cedar
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Uhh, maybe combat shotgun/bolt pistol/revolver?

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with either shovel or tac axe

dry cloak
#

zarona cs and boltpistol with ft

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thats how i would do it

turbid ibex
#

combat shotgun is better with weapon specialist tbh

void dragon
spare cedar
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Why zarona cs with ft?

tough nova
#

Knives are the real answer

spare cedar
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Not enough damage ?

dry cloak
dry cloak
tough nova
#

When you get good you can snipe quickly from very far

turbid ibex
dry cloak
#

agrippina has better finnese modifiers

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simple as

spare cedar
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Oh ok

turbid ibex
#

but weapon specialist works best for the guaranteed crit+manstopper

turbid ibex
#

tho idk if its enough finesse to be worth

spare cedar
#

Which combat shotgun mark is the strongest?

turbid ibex
#

agripina

spare cedar
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Alright thanks I'll give it a shot

tough nova
#

Agri also gets the finesse bonus on hipfire where the others don't iirc.

dry cloak
spare cedar
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Always wanted to play melee exec stance

dry cloak
#

melee exestance is not a thing

#

buff apply to guns only iirc

turbid ibex
turbid ibex
tough nova
#

Its more the stun immunity and toughness replen that lends itself to melee

spare cedar
#

The melee kills refresh the duration, am I wrong?

dry cloak
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then never heard of it

turbid ibex
#

its still insane toughness regen and stun immunity

quiet lark
#

sorry, ure right not wrong

turbid ibex
#

really good for dealing with ragers

tough nova
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But you need a mod cos that zoom blows

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I also hate that it weapon swaps

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I can do that on my own FS tyvm

spare cedar
#

Nice

dry cloak
tough nova
#

Agreed I just don't like it. For any ability tbh.

turbid ibex
#

its nice for bolter and helbore so you can bypass their slow draw times

spare cedar
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thoughts on the build?

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tacaxe and agrippina cs

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oops I forgot keystone 💀

tough nova
#

Was gonna say please take weapons specialist

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The 5% grenade on kill is important remove stam on dodge

turbid ibex
# spare cedar

take demolition team instead of revive speed, get rid of stamina on dodge and take weapon specialist

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tinkerer on kraks is only really useful for high havocs so you dont lose the crusher one tap

spare cedar
tough nova
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I would put the tinkerer point into serrated blades or ammo

spare cedar
#

i still have one point left

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maybe rending strikes?

tough nova
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Nah not rending take the 25% damage on ranged/melee

turbid ibex
spare cedar
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forgot about agile

turbid ibex
#

is this for high havoc or just auric

spare cedar
#

i kinda wanna bring it to havocs too

turbid ibex
#

for high havocs you can keep tinkerer

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otherwise replace it with something else

spare cedar
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do i still keep serrated?

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instead of field improv

turbid ibex
#

which melee

spare cedar
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tac axe 7

turbid ibex
#

dont think serrated works well with it

spare cedar
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rending doesnt work well with tacaxe?

turbid ibex
#

not needed

tall torrent
#

Rending is not bad for shotguns either because it helps with their ADM falloff over range

spare cedar
#

ill see how it goes into rotten

spare cedar
tough nova
#

I would say try the build as is and tweak as needed to your play

spare cedar
#

alright

tough nova
#

Its a great starting spot

spare cedar
#

it does look pretty similar to the vet template

tough nova
#

Yea when you ask these questions the chat will trend towards that template for the most part

spare cedar
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is duck and dive dogshit?

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thought it would help with tac axe push attacks

tough nova
#

I wouldnt call the tree "solved" but the people here know where the most value lies

tough nova
turbid ibex
spare cedar
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💀

turbid ibex
#

not good enough for the point yeah

tough nova
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If you are having stam problems solve it with curios or the stam delay node on the left side

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Which i am a slave to

turbid ibex
#

specially when competing with reciprocity

spare cedar
#

what about born leader?

tough nova
#

That little triangle in right side is mandatory

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For pretty much all builds

turbid ibex
spare cedar
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was thinking of taking both and dropping the 25 toughness on the right

turbid ibex
#

+coherency range is dogshit and the shared toughness replenish is pretty eh

tough nova
#

I like the coherence node with exe stance. I drop the cdr node cos stance never drops.

tall torrent
spare cedar
#

wait, do my teammates get the exec stance regen too

turbid ibex
tough nova
#

20% or whatever it is iirc

tall torrent
spare cedar
#

free 2% i guess

#

ok ill just leave it as it is

tough nova
#

Yah get playing homie. Don't stress over builds too much a lot of what separates good players from bad is how they play not what they play.

frigid lance
#

what are best blessings and mk for weapons specialist combat shotgun?

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no respite is a must right

tough nova
#

I usually see agri respite full bore

void dragon
hollow ibex
tough nova
#

If you can consistently hit heads you feel like a god

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I never take nades on zealot atp

void dragon
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if only acca fire shots would deal real damage like the exterminator shotguns electric shells

tough nova
#

Do the acca scatter/bleed fire meme

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With the reload speed node for shotties

tall torrent
tall torrent
turbid ibex
#

weapon specialist agri is manstopper+full bore iirc

tall torrent
#

I use full bore deathspitter

tough nova
#

Bro this guy HATES the stubbers lmao

hollow ibex
#

There’s a lot of ways to build CS tbh

tough nova
#

He takes every opportunity to shit on them

tall torrent
turbid ibex
void dragon
tall torrent
#

If I hated them I’d actually make things up to slander them

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But I don’t need to

tough nova
#

Mentioning them unprompted hints at hate frand

tall torrent
#

I could be mentioning boltpistol instead

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Same story

tough nova
#

Not my beloved the bistol

void dragon
#

knifes + revolver to make them crit all time with point blank and surgical feels quite neat ngl

tough nova
#

Try surgical hand cannon pushes it a little further

turbid ibex
#

i still find it weird how the revolvers have their ammo reserves not be divisible by their ammo capacity

tough nova
#

Thanks I hate it

void dragon
#

actually stubbers deal less damage but both dont headshot (no crit) a flak gunner

turbid ibex
void dragon
turbid ibex
#

ogryn also doesnt have nearly as many talents to boost their ranged damage without also sacrificing their melee potential

void dragon
turbid ibex
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i just run gauntlet+rock when i need sidearms for melee ogryn

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rock for most specialists and gauntlet for gunners and specialists that are too far for rock (mostly bombers and snipers)

willow prairie
#

didn't they broke instakil override on gunner n shit because they added the specialist one

turbid ibex
#

ye

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thats why gauntlet is for gunners specifically lol

willow prairie
#

if only they buffed heavy stubber

turbid ibex
#

also kuli guide mentions its supposed to have instakill against shotgunners and dreg rager too

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tough nova
#

It is weird they took a pass at twink but not the hstubber

void dragon
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so its more of a global issue than the guns being particularly bad, if they buffed their damage an uniform % we could have several good guns

turbid ibex
south spindle
void dragon
void dragon
south spindle
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I have no opinion on that, but the point remains, buffing everything to have the same BPs as it did pre-enemy HP buff then renders that attempt at a rebalance moot and it might aswell not have been done in the firstplace

void dragon
#

it improved a lot of other things, but particularly made enemies like Crushers more formidable which is nice

#

the issue is that our guns at that point were barely holding

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the buffs to the enemy HP send their fragile balance to a bad spot

turbid ibex
#

which update did the scab hp buffs come out?

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i remember it was after ogryn rework but either before or at the same time as the other three class reworks

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so it feels like ogryn's damage output was balanced around the pre-buff values while the other classes dont really suffer from that on most of their weapons

toxic reef
#

wasn't it just bound by duty

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with the other tree reworks

turbid ibex
void dragon
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was in bound by duty

toxic reef
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because I remember kraks getting better at the same time as crusher hp getting boosted

turbid ibex
#

then yeah ogryn was kinda left in the dust while the other classes received major buffs

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in fact im pretty sure ogryn received some nerfs in that update lol

toxic reef
#

ye to batter

void dragon
#

yep, we got less damage in some perks, with some minor adjustments

turbid ibex
toxic reef
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batter was the big one imo, like it sure it nerfed brainless club spam

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but knife got so much worse at the same time

void dragon
#

batter was kinda needed

tall torrent
void dragon
#

knife needed to be strong by itself instead to depending on the perk

blazing latch
#

walks in
I see this is Veteran chat.

turbid ibex
#

soften them up and no hurting friends also got nerfed iirc

tall torrent
void dragon
toxic reef
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before knife was the only viable because of the tree layout

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but now you usually don't want to spend your grenade slot on stuns or fire

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for no regen across the team

turbid ibex
void dragon
toxic reef
#

ye

void dragon
#

scum blitzes making the zealot ones look like garbo

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thanks obesefish

toxic reef
#

like I still run fire on some builds if I have an accurate sidearm

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but I always run knife with flamer

void dragon
#

would argue storm nades are the best alternative, but not by much

tall torrent
#

stunstorm might be ok if it gave 4 grenades and had 5% chance to gain 1 back whenever u melee kill an elite/specialist enemy

turbid ibex
#

stunstorm needs a shorter fuse

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4 charges would also be nice

toxic reef
#

it needs to be blinders KEKW_ogryn

void dragon
turbid ibex
tall torrent
#

otherwise it'll always be mogged by shock mines (not to mention smite)

void dragon
#

what would the fire ones need? i like them but they just do nothing, making them do brittleness would be good?

toxic reef
#

last time I ran stuns were to get the shocking stuff penance lol

turbid ibex
#

and make them actually apply burn

void dragon
tame lodge
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Brittle would be alright since they don't really damage flak/carapace

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But first you'd need to make the enemy walk into them

hybrid plover
#

On scum at least

serene bough
fleet stream
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Chem is a direct upgrade from fire nade

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Rocket is ogryn frag with multiple charges+crusher killer

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Blackouts are knives wish splash and recharge easily

willow prairie
#

blinder is knife, stun storm, shredder all in 1

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💀

void dragon
#

Knifes that can stagger crushers

fleet stream
#

so can blackouts

void dragon
#

I was referring to the blackouts

fleet stream
#

mb

#

sun is shinning on my 2nd monitor, hard to read

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Still wishing Helbore got a better radius and sights

tough nova
#

I would take knives over blinders

fleet stream
#

British detected

void dragon
fleet stream
#

Yeah

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I'd like sights first, then if it's still wonky, radius buff, but just a very tiny bit

void dragon
tough nova
#

Pretty much

void dragon
#

Helbore is already quite strong as it is, only needs visual clarity (and maybe have it charge on ADS so you can click heads)

fleet stream
tough nova
#

I also enjoy melee more than ranged so any excuse to stay up close

void dragon
fleet stream
#

Never gonna happen with GW's stubbornness i suppose

gentle lake
#

icl

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i accidentally took falchion w me into expeditions

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i do not regret it

jovial yarrow
#

power falchion feels good now.
But my muscle memory from power sword keeps making me turn it off at the wrong times

fleet stream
#

I went falchion+helbore into expeditions

tame lodge
#

Honey moon phase 🗣️

fleet stream
#

I instantly regretted it when i saw my fps tank down to 30fps

tame lodge
#

It won't last

gentle lake
fleet stream
#

still needs stagger tho

gentle lake
#

@thorny sluice coming?

#

oop rong chat

void dragon
boreal zenith
#

something stupid i just thought of. is a max char height "meta"

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im assuming it makes melee headshots easier to hit

turbid ibex
#

Yes

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Same for minimum height ogryn

boreal zenith
#

derp. got my veteran to level 30 already on minimum height

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ay what. weapons arent shared between chars?

frigid rover
tame lodge
#

Good news is that mastery is shared

somber axle
#

You can change your height at the barber NPC

tame lodge
#

And materials too

somber axle
#

It's not even the personality scourge dockets thing. He can just change it for free

boreal zenith
frigid rover
#

you may be right, i could have been thinking of something else

slow spade
#

Max height also lets you throw power cells to higher places better

somber axle
#

If you are min height you can still throw batteries over ledges by jumping right before you throw

slow spade
#

like the Virus sample mission (butthole map) you can throw the samples to the 2nd floor way faster

slow spade
#

which you will because teammates can't defend for shit

somber axle
#

Yeah but like if you're being chased by a few poxwalkers it's probably better to just slap them quick before throwing anyway

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I've seen some goofy players repeatedly picking up batteries and ignoring the poxwalkers slapping them LOL

frigid rover
willow prairie
#

mkv or mk3b helbore

frigid rover
#

i dont remember the marks but i like the big damage one that goes chop :)

tame lodge
willow prairie
#

lore reason?

tame lodge
#

Compared to mk3
Higher dps
Higher carapace adm

hollow ibex
#

V stays winning

somber axle
#

Mk IV is the Ogryn/Monster Hunter

#

Mk V is the fastest firing version like an iLas that can punch armour proper

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Mk V has 95% Carapace ADM according to the guide while the Mk IIIa has 60% and the Mk IV has 72% (close) / 90% (far)

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Tbh I only ever use the IV or the V but the IIIa is fine too. It's just not as solid for punching through Crushers as the other two

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Plus the IV has the awful bayonet swing while the IIIa and V have the satisfying bayonet thrust

willow prairie
#

zealot erasure

solid oracle
#

How y’all feel about ranged cleave

somber axle
#

It's ok but weapon dependent

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Helbores and the Recon XIV can make use of it but the Recon IVc and XII can't get value from it

#

Shotguns and Revolvers too (are good with the ranged cleave)

hollow ibex
#

Well it’s better than the talent it replaced at least lol

somber axle
#

And Plasma kinda but like it already has good cleave so

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Usually I'd rather talent down through Field Improv since Iron Will is a mandatory grab for all Vet builds anyway

dusk osprey
tame lodge
#

That being said everything on that row is a sketchy pick so

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Eh

solid oracle
turbid ibex
#

Shooting recon into hordes💀

tame lodge
#

I mean

solid oracle
#

Probably bad in havoc tho, since enemies get massively more mass

tame lodge
#

Recon already cleaves through a single groaner

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1.5 cleave vs 1.25 mass

hybrid plover
#

It isn't the worst idea.

solid oracle
#

And the +50% cleave gets it through poxwalkers and moebian 21st

tame lodge
#

That's what I'm talking about

#

Vic

#

Xii

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1.5 cleave each

#

Xiv is 3 cleave

solid oracle
#

And shooters

#

Surprisingly it helps the autoguns get through stuff too

#

Like the heavy braced can pierce bruisers

tame lodge
#

Yeah because Agri8 has 3 cleave

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A dreg Bruiser is 2.5 mass

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A scab bruiser is 3.5 mass

solid oracle
#

What’s the cleave for the different combat shotguns btw

#

Do we have the pellet counts for those?

tame lodge
#

Probably on the pinned guide

hollow ibex
#

Yeah all in the guide

solid oracle
#

Pinned here or different channel?

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Cuz Kuli’s guide doesn’t include weapon stats afaik

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Unless it’s buried in there somewhere

hollow ibex
#

Here

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First pin

solid oracle
#

Ohhh I see, way down the page, gotcha

hollow ibex
#

It should be the very first one 🤔

somber axle
#

But also yeah usually you shouldn't be clearing poxwalkers/groaners with a Recon. It's just nice when you have a priority target behind a wall of meat

#

Not so much a worry of ammo and more just a waste of time if you're using the IVc or XII to do it, and probably still a waste with the XIV too even if Withering Fire makes it better at it

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You could just do it faster with a good melee

balmy raft
#

so. how viable are the infantry lasguns now? i havent really played with them appart for mastering them and i usually went for recon lasgun beside that

solid oracle
#

Pretty meh overall still.

#

Much more viable in the lower difficulties where it can more reliably one/two shot its ideal targets (ranged enemies)

#

+50% cleave on the veteran tree is cute for killing 2 poxwalkers in 1 shot if you have literally nothing else to do. But usually not necessary

tall torrent
solid oracle
#

Been having fun with it in expeditions tho

balmy raft
#

not that i would play that thing

tall torrent
balmy raft
#

oh

tall torrent
#

it's somewhere around top 5 of vet's guns

balmy raft
#

i did not expect that

tall torrent
#

but it's build specific and sorta needs a good frontliner in ur team to perform at its best

balmy raft
#

can you recommend something for a dependable allrounder build where you dont have to rely on your teammates much in some aspects?

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like not having a good frontliner

tall torrent
#

yea check pinned guide

balmy raft
#

i will

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thanks

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oh my

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that guide is huge

hollow ibex
#

Can’t count on teammates KEKW_ogryn

dense light
#

I wish the game wasn’t so defined by builds with specific talent points and weapons

slow spade
junior grail
#

I wish Expeditions was a proper Chaos Wastes mode ...don't mind me echoing what hundreds have already wished for

hollow ibex
dense light
#

I wish the game wasn’t launched and maintained like my granddad after his stroke. Noncommunicative and intubated into nonlife with the occasional nurse (Fatshark maintainer) checking in

junior grail
dense light
#

Btw here’s a blogpost about all our animals you all care about, right on the store page in lieu of an actual patchlist

slow spade
#

the worst part is they could have AT LEAST made it worth our time

#

it gives less plasteel and diamantine than even Mortis Trials

#

it's literally not worth your time to do it even as a new player lol

dense light
#

I genuinely have no idea the benefits of Expeditions outside of penance armor. Of which, the camo on it only matches slop-shop cosmetics

slow spade
#

a fumble on literally every step except concept

dense light
#

It’s literally just Mortis 2.0

somber axle
slow spade
junior grail
#

Imagine Darktide...

  • With player-player host
  • Solo mode
  • Better bots with class variety
  • Upgradable weapons
  • Fully customisable and earnable cosmetics
  • Maps with more colour than dark green or sandy orange
dense light
#

I think the disconnect between their vendors they outsource, their actual maintainers, and their community team is endlessly vast. Got 3 sets of eyes and they’re all crossed

#

Nah, that’s all immeasurably complex, not sorry. Here’s a community raffle for Sloptide 2!

junior grail
#

Ngl think I may revisit VT2 instead after this

#

Hope DT2 is an improvement huehue

somber axle
#

It's funny to imagine what they'd do for a DT2

#

Tyranids? Orks?

#

Feels like there's a fair bit of hinting at genestealer shenanigans for the second Hive City that totally doesn't exist

#

The idea of the Moebian 6th turning traitor because Nurgle cultists promised them a better fighting chance at stopping a Genestealer cult/Tyranid invasion

#

But then idk that the Rejects could take Tyranids after looking at SM2

hollow ibex
#

I don’t get why they primarily limited rewards to a mode exclusive currency

somber axle
#

It's weird looking at Space Hulk Deathwing and Space Marine 2 setting up the scale of Tyranid/genestealer threats to the degree you need Space Marine intervention and trying to imagine the Rejects contending with them but then there's that animation with the Arbites and that one Custodes fighting and repelling Tyranids including a Lictor or two

tall torrent
tame lodge
#

Yes kill BM

#

I'll slander taxe

#

Even greater than before

turbid ibex
#

caxe, taxe ogryn shield all found dead in a ditch

tame lodge
#

Slab Shield still has infinite cleave so it doesn't care

#

🗣️

tall torrent
tame lodge
#

Shovel though

#

Eh

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Possibly

tall torrent
#

I actually think BM is less cheesy than carapace-cleave tbh

#

BM is just rly strong (but a fun type of strong cuz u need to build for breakpoints), whereas carapace-cleave allows u to ignore mechanics

flint iris
tame lodge
#

H2 has infinite cleave

flint iris
#

i remember saying the non-fold shovel had infinate cleave cause i heard similar on that

#

good to know about h2 shield tho

turbid ibex
tall torrent
#

it will stop on hitting carapace tho

flint iris
#

cant wait till we get a shield mark added to the game that lets us pick up the shield like a steel chair from wrestling and smash it over the head for a foldy shovel style oneshot attack

tough nova
#

That sounds amazing

hollow ibex
#

stealing this from ryken's video

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note how the buff to the Mk IX's mag size DOES LITERALLY NOTHING

serene bough
#

IIb continues to win

#

its actually kinda funny how IX essentially didnt change

hollow ibex
#

yeah basically just more reserve ammo

narrow torrent
#

I know the free revives on shout is a bad node, but it’s so funny with randoms KEKW_ogryn

serene bough
#

is it still trash

#

they removed its downsides

turbid ibex
#

Still costs a point

narrow torrent
#

Costs a point and relies on your team going down in crappy situations that shouldn’t have happened to begin with

turbid ibex
#

So opportunity cost is still bad

serene bough
#

i guess

#

1 point doesnt feel as bad as the previous debuffs though

#

not that id run revive shout

narrow torrent
#

1 point can matter a lot, especially with how many good talents Vet has

#

I just run it for funnies

serene bough
#

i could imagine having spare points in some builds

tame lodge
hybrid plover
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Because you just have to expect that things can just go wrong there completely beyond your control.

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And having revive shout is genuinely huge when those situations come up

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So. There's some point to having it.

jovial yarrow
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There’s a few moments where I’m glad I have revive shout but some moments with it feel like I could have prevented the down by shouting earlier.
I do really like it when I can find a concentration stim.

somber axle
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the IX iLas got the +2 stam for more sprinting (and also more Deadshot for anyone using that) as well as the buff to hit radius for easier headshots but yeah it's kinda

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samey

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LOL

gilded wraith
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Mk 14 recon to slow to make use of inferno? I'd like to try it out with the new cleave talent.

hollow ibex
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ok if you use deadshot

gilded wraith
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Hmmm, hadn't thought of that route. Might just go deathspitter for simplicity.

willow prairie
stiff moss
narrow torrent
stiff moss
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Yayy

slow spade
slow sky
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Its the worst thing ever

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I totally dont run revive speed curios for havoc and was reviving someone super fast only for the vet to shout revive them halfway through and steal my job

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And im totally not bitter about it

grand perch
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I used to run revive shout waaaay back as a gimmick

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And that one time a bunch of madmen (like @faint beacon ) shouted weeooweeoo a lot

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Maybe I'll pick it up again now and then

grand perch
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Build here (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME - veterans depicted in video are professional idiots):
https://imgur.com/a/snz7EBp#

Challenge rules were to use no grenades other than smokes, play Veteran class (duh), no golden toughness except on 1 VoC (rest used no subnode or revive shout). It's encouraged to equip off-meta weapons.

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blazing jetty
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you could say those guys are the big smoke's order

tropic halo
grand perch
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We going hunting son

manic moon
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anyone from nolifers have a legit infantry lasgun build?