veteran-class

[tight cave]

that'd be good, do you need my steam id?

[dry cloak]

no

[dry cloak]

https://discord.gg/98TcNpV6

[tame lodge]

Top 2 ranged weapon

You never charge it

Just spam M1

Actually I just lied
Top 1 ranged weapon shared with Helbore

[tropic halo]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDZEF4XXEAIzu8C.gif

[tight cave]

rem plasma gun build when

[errant bear]

I find it somewhat sucky

It's only 1 stack per shot

You are better off equipping some weapon that's good into carapace by default and going into town than trying to stack 16 shots that deal no damage and then using melee

Don't ever sac base damage for anything

Kill off some other damage multiplier that's not base

If you wanna go that route

[tall torrent]

what is ur build

[lean basin]

posted a bit higher

[tall torrent]

is this not fully levelled

[lean basin]

no it's only around 20

[tall torrent]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11681018057970864882/5B09AC5ECAAC53B0C7BDA4BDEC6F14E2F8A12FBC/

build off this template

[lean basin]

tyvm

[lean basin]

why does this avoid the toughness talents in the first cluster?

[dapper pier]

Lmfao has vet gotten so desperate? One build like old zeal?
At least theres some variety

Speaking of. I need to research some fine tune on an exe-laspistol build

[tall torrent]

it doesn't tho?

[lean basin]

it takes the right one, which is weapon swap speed?

[tall torrent]

are u talking about covering fire?

that talent is ass

don't use it

[lean basin]

??

[dry cloak]

he means one motion

[tall torrent]

what are you talking about exactly

pick either longshot or one motion in the starting section

don't take covering fire

[desert viper]

could be talking about out for blood

iirc it's on the far right

[lean basin]

I was asking why not covering fire

[tall torrent]

because it's not good

it doesn't work on urself

unless ur plan is to shoot into hordes near ur team
which is usually not a good habit to have

[thin stone]

Are there any big changes to veteran with the next update?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[silver patrol]

doesn't really sound like it, no

[tame lodge]

Considering that they'll remove gbitf and add extra ranged cleave in there

The tree will reset

[silver patrol]

forgot about extra cleave

[tame lodge]

Save your build

NOW!

[thin stone]

What's gbitf

[tame lodge]

Get Back In The Fight

[thin stone]

Oh

So will my existing build go poof?

[silver patrol]

yeah the tree is 100% getting resetted so

[thin stone]

Will my current build remain viable?

[silver patrol]

most likely

[thin stone]

I have the recon Lasgun + PS6 shout build rn

[silver patrol]

oh shout has got a tweak

[thin stone]

Oof

[silver patrol]

cd increased by 10s, the revive shout upgrade now has no downsides

[thin stone]

Based

[silver patrol]

i wonder

i think it's a nerf personally

[thin stone]

Oof why

The revive part sounds great

10s more tho sadge

@silver patrol is infiltrate build viable?

[silver patrol]

oh they did buff infiltrate actually

[thin stone]

Damn

[silver patrol]

i hate infiltrate, but it's certainly not going to be worse

[toxic reef]

actually there was one video that mentioned that trees are no longer reset, even in having changes

[thin stone]

I like infiltrate personally

[toxic reef]

they will try to rearrange themselves, but may break

[thin stone]

Nice

[toxic reef]

just not wiped

[thin stone]

Not nice

[silver patrol]

that's crazy considering they resetted ogryns trees last time

despite it not receiving any change

[toxic reef]

it's new for now

[thin stone]

Can someone give me an infiltrate build for veteran with PS6

Hehe

[toxic reef]

since they added that functionality to reset one node in the middle of trees

[silver patrol]

btw pinned builds should have an infililtrate build

[toxic reef]

I have one, but the focus is on shredder spam

[thin stone]

Yes gib

I love shredder grenade

[toxic reef]

you underhand throw shredders when infiltrate is up

[thin stone]

That's just paths build from the guide no?

[toxic reef]

since it doen't break stealth

I mean it's a standard build

but tweaked

[thin stone]

What weapons and curios?

[toxic reef]

bolt pistol with letal prox and bleed talent

standard PS

curios is just all toughness

I always like to go full revive speed

you can do +3 stam as well

for smoother PS gameplay

[thin stone]

What is FS

[toxic reef]

I meant PS

[thin stone]

Ok

What about the variant of the bolt pistol?

One with the larger explosions?

[toxic reef]

the explodey one

both work

you just run it for lethal prox for bigger shredder range

[thin stone]

Will the more explody bolt pistol make the range even bigger?

[toxic reef]

yes

tho actually I might be executioner over the bleed talent

[thin stone]

[toxic reef]

since bleed isn't applied on indirect hits

try stuff out

it was very fun during the event

[thin stone]

Ok will check

[toxic reef]

sometimes I outdamaged krak vets on the same team

[thin stone]

Oh damn

[toxic reef]

the bleed goes hard

there you can see the weapon perks btw, nothing special

[slow sky]

Fower sword

[toxic reef]

I'm too used to force sword

[thin stone]

Flower Sword

[dreamy spade]

Is the desired plasma gun gonna change now? Since primary fire doesn't have infinite cleave anymore, and secondary isn't ammo wasting

[dry cloak]

well infitine cleave is a bold statement it was effectively infinite

[dreamy spade]

Tbh I wanna try ilg now, since they're increasing it's hitscan radius

Idk by how much though

[thin stone]

ILG go brrrr

[native ocean]

The ilas buffs are extremely welcome, can't wait to try it out

[dreamy spade]

Hitscan is a huge thing for ranged weapons in darktide

Because enemies are always tweaking so it's hard to get a good shoot

[tall torrent]

We’ll see

Presumably, no

Because m1 still gets 18 cleave

[dreamy spade]

I hope not because I got this 1 in million

[dry cloak]

buy it and keep it safe

[dreamy spade]

I did

[dry cloak]

lets not forget that m2 retains inf cleave

[dreamy spade]

Yeah and it will be more ammo efficient

[tall torrent]

it's just 105

[dry cloak]

its effectively infinite

[tall torrent]

idk where this infinite came from

105 is very much not infinite

[dry cloak]

it comes from a fact that there wasnt that much enemies on screen to eat up this amount of cleave

while enemy density increased with time yes

and carapace got cleave stop

path remind how much hitmass crushers have?

by themselves

[tall torrent]

12.5

105 goes through 10 mauler and stops at 11th

[toxic reef]

how much hitmass does walls have

[tall torrent]

infinite can hit up to 128 of any enemy (assuming no carapace to end cleave)

[tall torrent]

terrain is not determined by mass

terrain penetration is a separate stat from cleave

[dry cloak]

and m1 has actual infinite or also around a 100

as it is now of course

[tall torrent]

m1 is 55.125

[toxic reef]

ye I figured, just didn't know of any other gun going through terrain so

[tall torrent]

bolt weapons

and the slug shotgun's slug

[toxic reef]

ah ok, all bolt marks as well?

[dry cloak]

i think explody marks dont

the not explody marks do

[void dragon]

Does anyone know what the new withering fire cleave would be useful for? Is there a weapon that would make use of that the most?

[thin stone]

probably bolter?

or plasma gun

[void dragon]

Those already have good cleave (and depending on the M2 of plasma pistol it could still be irrelevant because it has plenty)

[silver patrol]

maybe the slow fire versions of the automatic guns

they already have some cleave

[torpid sundial]

cant wait for 10% damage buff on power falchion

[hollow ibex]

gonna be a real game changer

thank you fatshart

[torpid sundial]

it already is a decent weap

[hollow ibex]

its ok

[tame dragon]

What melee do I pair with the recon lasgun these days? I'm using the devil claw sword for now

[toxic reef]

something to care of carapace

power sword, dueling sword, shovel

[tame dragon]

Thank you. And what blessing besides power cycler should I slap on it?

For the power sword that is

[hollow ibex]

sunder or brumentum

sunder is for mixed hordes

brumentum for hordes

[amber vortex]

CHAINSWORD

BEST WEAPON

[frigid kite]

Helbore Lasgun best mark?

[hollow ibex]

your choice

[frigid kite]

all the guides i read rn are using wrong MK names

so I can't get a read on what the fuck they mean

[toxic reef]

the one pinned?

[warm gulch]

Blue and strong one

[frigid kite]

....

It's a nightmare to google this because people keep talking about MK1 and shit that doesn't fucking exist

do they mean the top one in list?

who knows, because even though they all have specific fucking names, nobody seems arsed to use them

[toxic reef]

ye

[tame dragon]

I like the MKIIIa, the one with the second strongest ADS

[vestal lotus]

Should I follow the guides?

[toxic reef]

how new are you?

[frigid kite]

but the MKIV has the highest damage number when you're selecting the diff marks

[toxic reef]

it's good to also know a lot of basics and covers all of vet and zealot p much

[tame dragon]

Second I meant. No idea why I said strongest other than it being early (it's 11 AM)

[vestal lotus]

Haven't touched Havoc, but I haave nearly every class close to 30. About 75 hours

[frigid kite]

i see

hm

[vestal lotus]

I can go check the actual number rq

80 hours

[frigid kite]

30 with godroll guns is so different imo

than the lvling experience

though i see lvl 20's in Damnation living their best lives... so

[vestal lotus]

Hmm. Lol yeah.

My vet is only lvl 27

Shiv and Combat Shotgun

[frigid kite]

a full talent tree makes a huge difference

Recon Lasgun will change your life

just don't use the weak versions

they are like pea shooters

[vestal lotus]

I like melee. But I can see what you mean.

[tame dragon]

I use the middling version for the recon lasgun

[frigid kite]

if melee is your thing, Zealot, Hive, Ogryn and Arbites are far better suited than Vet

[vestal lotus]

I also like infiltrate with the Combat knife

[dry cloak]

6c? The best version

[frigid kite]

Veteran is gogo gadget gun guy

[vestal lotus]

Then I might as well start over then

[frigid kite]

I mean, obviously, play what's fun for you

[dry cloak]

Why?

[tame dragon]

It's my favorite

[frigid kite]

but the talents on those other classes lean heavier into mele

u can reset trees for free

[tame dragon]

The zealot leans full send into Melee

[vestal lotus]

The entire thing was Versatile with Infiltrate

[frigid kite]

and in the top right of the loadout there's a thing for saving loadouts

[vestal lotus]

And a bunch of eugh

[vestal lotus]

It's why I love him

[dry cloak]

The right side of tree for melee build on vey

Just remember that vet will always be hybrid

[tame dragon]

I want to use the big sword if anything, but I'm too scared to be melee

And I use lasguns because I don't like hoping for enough ammo pickups

[vestal lotus]

Oooh. Then what ranged is best with the Combat Knife?

[dry cloak]

Depends on what you want from it

[dry cloak]

Heavy sword?

[dry cloak]

But since you are using a knife

[tame dragon]

I think you'd enjoy this keystone

[vestal lotus]

I did

[dry cloak]

I suggest some with good hordeclear. So shotguns. Zarona combat shotgun and double barrel to be exact

Specifically with manstopper to maximize cleave

[turbid ibex]

Pinned guide actually has a knife+double barrel build for this exact setup

[vestal lotus]

Guess what I have. A Zarona Combat Shotgun.

[turbid ibex]

DB works much better for it

[vestal lotus]

But... No infiltrate...

[turbid ibex]

ye cause infiltrate kinda sucks

a lot

at least next patch will buff it a bit

[vestal lotus]

Noice

[tough nova]

I wish it was 30 or 35 seconds

[vestal lotus]

VoC then?

[tough nova]

The dmg duration change was nice

[turbid ibex]

ye

[tough nova]

Voc might be shitter. They have reduced its uptime over the past year from 50% to 25%

[dry cloak]

Dont listen to meta talk play what you want

[vestal lotus]

Wah

[amber vortex]

CHAINSWORD

BEST RANGED WEAPON

[dry cloak]

Pal you start being really fucking annoying

[tough nova]

Voc is probably going to take a backseat next patch

[dry cloak]

Highly doubt that

[tough nova]

Well see

[hollow ibex]

it'll still be strong, the balance will just tilt more towards ES

because vet still only has two abilities

it's one or the other

[dry cloak]

Jokes aside

Infiltrate can save games

[willow prairie]

yeah it can save games when you're not picking it

[dry cloak]

Heh

[willow prairie]

funny bleed build though

[dry cloak]

I run kraks infilt with weapon spec

Weapons vary from match to match

[hollow ibex]

why krak infil

krak doesn't really synergize with infil

[vestal lotus]

Absolutely

Making them bleed form every pore

[dry cloak]

I run dclaw and laspitol often

Its to patch holes in damage

[hollow ibex]

ok yeah fair enough

[dry cloak]

If i run melee that better into armour i take frags

[frigid rover]

i love infil
i love shunting aggro onto my team randomly while i go for a walk
hoohoo heehee sorry guys i needed to run 50m away and check out a medium chest :)c

[hollow ibex]

wall of crushers show up? just press F and let the purg psyker behind me handle it

🙂‍↕️

unironically the best use of infil

[dry cloak]

Nah

Thats inting

[frigid rover]

they want all the kills anyway so really you are being a thoughtful team player

[dry cloak]

Heheheh

[vestal lotus]

Then shredder, goes similar with the Bomber

[toxic reef]

you could underhand throw kraks, but hardly as useful as doing that with shredders

[torpid sundial]

vet melee is honestly really fun

also no other class has power falchion

[turbid ibex]

thankfully

not like it would make a difference anyways

[toxic reef]

shovel or power sword was the correct answer

[tall torrent]

this is just wrong

[narrow frost]

people still think vet is the range class still

[south spindle]

No? Vet is the shovel class

[faint beacon]

Hybrid classes exist it’s okay to think this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231286447131328544/1476722192384393429/RRLU3fb.gif

[pseudo fiber]

Them feeding Exe more buffs is crazy though

[tall torrent]

it'd be peak if red nodes refreshed alongside stance

[pseudo fiber]

Are we going to see a launch Vet fantasy. It's mors likely than you think somehow

Is the 2b still going to be the best lasgun post changes we think

[south spindle]

So long as they dont put "Stand still like a vegetable to be ignored by every enemy" back in, it should be fine

[dry cloak]

thats fat siclair

[tall torrent]

either IIb or IX prob

if IIb gets IX's unyielding ADM, and has crit muzzle flash reduced to tolerable levels, then IIb is better

IX issue is blessing combination

idk what to run alongside efficiency (best for it)

[turbid ibex]

prob Deadly accurate or headhunter ig

[tall torrent]

it's prob headhunter

which is kinda boring

[faint beacon]

The MAGNIFICENT Sinclair

Thank you very much

[native ocean]

idk if I'll switch to efficiency even with that big buff it got

[dry cloak]

the BASTARD

[mighty python]

Would you guys recommend using focus target or keep using weapon specialist for this build? Weapons are the combat knife and recon lasgun

[dry cloak]

weapon spec

[mighty python]

Ty

[toxic reef]

I'd pick demolition team over leave no one behind

and just have revive speed on curios instead

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/deadlock/clips/mgFnf96kScHHwWSy7?invite=cr-MSxJaUIsMTA3NDAxNTcz&v=15

[dry cloak]

yes the bastard

i say that as abrams player

so you know

shit on me or something

[faint beacon]

You will be Rabbit Hexed by the Secret Chinese Sinclair Build

Veil Walker + Magic Carpet

[dry cloak]

heh

i have met exactly one good sinclair in my carrer

[faint beacon]

Brutally Difficult to master character but im getting a hang of them

Seven is my less Skill required main

[dry cloak]

im here bouncing between abrams warden and silver

however i want to learn wraith and paige

[faint beacon]

Well im picking up Bebop that isn't just One trick bomb only

aka Hybrid Playstyle

[dry cloak]

impossible

[faint beacon]

Its shockingly real

and decent?...

Tesla Bullets though are in the build

Its more Emphasis on Spirit for obvious reasons but it still has Gun Spikes to make Humble Pie actually okay to use

[dry cloak]

like im gonna build the most brain dead wraith build ever

[faint beacon]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDEu8yQW4AAZy7Y.gif

[dry cloak]

i would like to play now

[turbid ibex]

too bad

[dry cloak]

but time constraints

and no second person to have fun with

yes i cant play pvp games alone

[faint beacon]

Taking a break from Deadlock atm probably only a few days but im going to play more Bebop to test out mentioned build

[tame lodge]

Up to preference
Note that the names changed a while ago
Mk1 is mk3
Mk2 is mk5
Mk3 is mk4

[dry cloak]

cool

[turbid ibex]

same

i cannot understand people who soloqueue

[hollow ibex]

i just can't do pvp anymore

too old for that shit

[south spindle]

We're masochists

[dry cloak]

im 21 and i get mogged by people with no life or kids high on energy drinks and other stimulants

like

[hollow ibex]

i feel that

[dry cloak]

if you check ogryn chat you see what games i like to play now

i currently have 125h on one save in farming simulator

155 in game alone

according to steam at least

i would play tarkov pve more alone

but that would be on condition that multiplayer works for my friend

like i feel old compared to some of those kiddos

[obtuse finch]

any good braced autogun builds?
(graia)

[narrow frost]

I put it on my melee stance build for a quick special/rager killer

[frigid kite]

it's fine. apparently I don't know what I'm doing anyways so it tracks

[obtuse finch]

Got a gameslantern list?

[narrow frost]

uh

perchance

[obtuse finch]

...or at least know of any graia autogun gameslantern lists that arent half-bad?

[toxic reef]

if you want builds I'd check pinned

[narrow frost]

I use this with 2 extra points

[obtuse finch]

oh they updated it cool

ty

[ebon inlet]

cuz i like suffering i made a new vet

and good lord the experience before you have any ability besides voley fire sucks

[ebon inlet]

from what peeps been telling me...the only good braced autogun build is one that doesnt focus on the gun itself

saddens me cuz i reaaaaally like the braced variants a lot

[hollow ibex]

leveling classes always suck

executioner's stance is very strong

(upgraded volley fire)

and voice of command is also strong

[tough nova]

Brautos don't fill a niche and also make efficient specialist killing at long ranges difficult. They are pretty good at mulching chaff but youre better off using melee for that.

[dreamy spade]

I've never used them lol

Viag can do the same thing

[mighty python]

Been playing with an infiltrate build lately and it really feels like this lmfao

Sneaking up behind gunners so I can stab them 27 times

[tame lodge]

Speaking of House

[native ocean]

Infil is my fave vet ult so I'm def looking forward to seeing how will it feel like on the new game mode

[tame lodge]

Have you seen that one where he has this patient that has a hard time seeing movements?

[native ocean]

Esp with the cdr buff, honestly convinced me to drop the overwatch subnode completely

[tame lodge]

So house just disappears?
That's perfect for an infiltrate meme

Even the bag of chips is just smoke

[south spindle]

I'm betting on it being a lot better than it is on normal missions

[tame lodge]

https://youtu.be/oHCWAjoWRiI?si=Sh6Y-SOmtAiTM_kb

[native ocean]

I watched the video reginald uploaded yday and it definitely looks like there's gonna be more splitting off than usual yeah

[ebon inlet]

since i remade EVERY class out of all the one ones that feel easiest to level up are psyker, arby and ogryn, followed by zealot, vet and hivescum

[left valve]

What recon lasgun mark is better with marksman focus+knife+krak grenades?

[dry cloak]

Mk14

But 6c is regarded as the best one

[tall torrent]

It’s a 1 point cost ult

That’s the main advantage it has

Stance and VoC are both better with 2 points

[native ocean]

You don't use low profile?

[tall torrent]

Not needed

[ebon inlet]

so the brauto gun sucks right?

[tall torrent]

It’s meh

[ebon inlet]

fine doesnt suck

but heard that is has very unoptimial damage vs the big guys

is it possible to use it as a horder clearer and leave your melee to the big guys or just a versatily melee?

[tall torrent]

Not recommended generally

[ebon inlet]

thought so

[native ocean]

I suppose it is a situational benefit though one that feels nice to have

[tall torrent]

It’s not bad just not that important

Infil is a stealth + damage linger ult

Pseudo stealth also is a bit finicky with slot system

[native ocean]

Yeah the finickiness can definitely be felt sometimes

[tame lodge]

Yes and no

But more pending towards yes

[ebon inlet]

why do they and do they not suck

[tame lodge]

They work without crits or weakspot hits

So you can just spray and pray

Also good amount of suppression

But no one cares about suppression

[mighty python]

Cdr?

[ebon inlet]

ogryns with that one aura:

[native ocean]

Cooldown reduction

[tame lodge]

But because they don't really care about Crits or weakspot they end up losing to the other weapons that actually care

[mighty python]

Ah gotcha

[native ocean]

I like brauto on scum the most by far

[ebon inlet]

yeh fair nuff

[tame lodge]

Also there's the whole thing about Vet and Psyker being long range finesse shooters and Brautos not being that accurate at long distance

[ebon inlet]

fair

[slow sky]

The agrip brauto at 3 cleave with the new 50% cleave node will be able to 3 horde enemies per shot and 2 dreg ragers per shot, 4 horde enemies with deathspitter which also is whatll let it hit 2 gunners/shotgunners

I think people will pick em back up for some use cuz of that, will be neat

[tame lodge]

#needsBlazeAway

[slow sky]

Needs suck my nuts

[tame lodge]

Touch starved gooner freak 🫵

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-at-you-gif-15677477317679001616

Actually yeah
It doesn't need ba since Brautos have the best blessing in the game

Terrifying Barrage

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[errant carbon]

If I had a nickel for the number of people I've seen arguing vehemently that Terrifying Barrage was a great blessing (if you're a bigbrain who's thinking about more than just damage)

[lean basin]

Oh wait, is it not?

[gilded wraith]

The primary selling point for original release boom bringer was a large aoe supression... we saw how well that was received.

[atomic void]

eh that doesnt tell the whole picture

it was competing with chem nades

and chem nades were cracked

why supress when u can melt them

[gilded wraith]

I don't think one class needs arguably the two best grenades in the game.

And no... it was one sentence, so it did not infact detail the entire picture of week long moaning.

[gentle lake]

I think I'm gonna like

do the two most annoying penances in game

long bomb

consignment yard seems to be the most reliable

[errant carbon]

It sucks

• Only activates when you kill an enemy within 12.5m
• Suppresses enemies in a 12m radius around you, not around the target
• Suppression only works against ranged enemies who aren't trying to fight in melee (such as they might be while close to you) and Groaners
• Weapons already inherently have suppression per-shot and per-kill (in a radius around the killed enemy) built in, and weapons with Terrifying Barrage as an option tend to have a very high suppression already

[turbid ibex]

also theres quite a few ranged enemies that are immune to suppression

[lean basin]

Ah damn

Alright, that's several wasted mastery points

Thanks though

[turbid ibex]

suppression is at most a neat bonus, not something you should ever actively go for

[toxic reef]

I mean you'll cap out mastery no matter what

the points aren't spent for the weapons there

you do that at hadron

[lean basin]

Yeah I get that much, but some weapons I want to get good blessings on sooner to make them more bearable to try out

[errant carbon]

Suppression can definitely be useful (and IIRC melee enemies will never cower or take cover, but can still count as suppressed for abilities that increase damage to suppressed targets) but Terrifying Barrage doesn't actually do much to make you better at it, and takes up the space of a much more useful blessing

[gentle lake]

https://youtu.be/HfQBPLFheFw?si=-zwQK-UNHYO39xzJ

this looks good

[dense belfry]

Any advice for strengthening the chainsword? No snark about changing weapons, please.

For context, i'm running a Cadian meme build.

[tawdry turtle]

Am I ass or does veteran just do less damage than some of the other classes? Like some games when my teammates are just headless chickens I'll be doing the most but others it feels like any class other than ogryn just puts me on their back.

[narrow frost]

the 1st thing

[narrow frost]

Darktide is like 90/10 to skill/build (class)

a good player can make anything work

a bad player on the best class isnt going to always win

[slender elm]

They just fall down a lot

[agile mango]

anyone have some good exe stance builds for havoc 40?

[vestal lotus]

If I wanted to play with the Plasma Gun, what should I do so I just don't suck?

[errant carbon]

There's not a lot you can do to make it better if it's already maxed out and running good perks + blessings. It just isn't good against Carapace, and trying to stack Rending from your Talents alone will require too many sacrifices in other areas. Bring Kraks

[dense belfry]

Hang on, let me take a look.

[errant carbon]

Get used to the delay between clicking and shooting. Get the Crosshair Remap mod if you're on PC because the normal crosshair is turboshit for a precision weapon and the Plasma Gun can't aim down sight

[vestal lotus]

... How do you mod this game again?

[dense belfry]

I see why you want me to bring kraks. That carapace damage is sinful as hell.

[mighty python]

This is gonna be my fit going into expeditions

[errant carbon]

https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/index#/installing-mods

[tawdry turtle]

ty kind people

[tall torrent]

crosshair can be changed in interface settings @vestal lotus

[errant carbon]

When did they change that? That's yuge

Still, get mods, they're great

[formal ice]

Bot fit

Name him Helphalys

[errant bear]

[tall torrent]

long time ago
I use the dot

some weapons' crosshair can't be overwritten but most can

[hybrid plover]

rending strikes helps

[tall torrent]

use a gun that can actually do high single target & mixed horde dmg

[tame lodge]

Never charge it

[errant carbon]

That too

Plasma Gun is so goofy in so many ways

[dense belfry]

Bolt pistol?

[dense belfry]

Don't charge too much.

[tall torrent]

no, boltpistol is one of the worst designed guns in the game and doesn't do either well without very significant (and still not worth it overall) investment

[dense belfry]

BoltER?

[tall torrent]

works

[dense belfry]

Double barrel?

[tame lodge]

Yes

[tall torrent]

idk wat ur plan for single target is with that

are u gonna blast a plague ogryn 21 times with it

[dense belfry]

Yeah.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[tall torrent]

there're def worse ways to play so u do u

[dim tiger]

it's the right one? nice after 1 year...

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[dense belfry]

"you do you" to an extent, right?

[dim tiger]

i spent like 2M money whatever its called

[vestal lotus]

How much is too much?

[errant carbon]

#veteran-class message

[tall torrent]

I mean
u ideally do want a gun that can answer both single target (unyielding, carapace) and mixed horde when running a chainsword

[vestal lotus]

...

[tall torrent]

it'll change in 2 days

[vestal lotus]

I don't got 2 days

[tame lodge]

Well but it'll

[dense belfry]

Yeah, kraks run out eventually, even if theu regen every minute.

[tame lodge]

Just run bolter 3

[errant bear]

I'll need to find one of these babies

Now that M2 will be somewhat relevant

[lean basin]

What's the functional difference between chainsword and chainaxe?

[warm gulch]

I cant believe they are getting rid of get back in the fight talent I use that one

[tall torrent]

chainsword is better vs pure horde and has more dodges
chainaxe is better vs mixed horde & single target, has lower block & push cost, and actually deals damage (albeit not as high as it should) with special activated heavy attacks

[lean basin]

Wait I shouldn't be using the sword for single target?

I've been using it for carapace when my bolter is empty

[tall torrent]

chainsword's single target combo can be best summed up as "swap to ur gun and start blasting"

[lean basin]

I've been feeling like both chain weapons really don't seem to be for hordes at all? The way they stop dead on hit feels like it anyway

[hollow ibex]

they're both very good at hordes

less good at mixed hordes

[lean basin]

What's a mixed horde then?

[hollow ibex]

horde + elites

[lean basin]

Ah

[tall torrent]

horde with mauler, rager, ogryns

[lean basin]

I might want to take the axe then, since that's what I've been using the sword for in tight halls

[tall torrent]

chainaxe 12 + boltgun 3 is a pretty good pairing on vet

[lean basin]

I'm guessing the numbers are the marks
Is the III the one with the full auto hipfire?

[tall torrent]

III is the 12r capacity one

[lean basin]

Oh, it's the other one then
Really? I feel like the full auto saves me a lot when there's lots of specialists that need to be gone quick

[tall torrent]

III with pinning fire + fire frenzy just obliterates mixed horde

and, as always, run it with exe stance

[lean basin]

Don't have nodes and names memorised yet - what do those two do?

[tall torrent]

highly recommend constant fov and gas outlines mods

[tall torrent]

pinning fire, stacks up to +25% global strength from successfully staggering enemies with ranged weapon's attacks
fire frenzy, stacks up to +50% near damage from ranged weapon's ranged attacks' kills within 12.5m

[lean basin]

Hmmm

I feel like if I'm using my gun that close I'm doing something wrong tbh

[tall torrent]

it depends

sometimes u just need overwhelming firepower at close range

most melee weapons in this game are not designed for u to handle multiple ragers in melee with

[lean basin]

Yeah fair

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[void dragon]

small question: is the chainaxe 12 and the Rashad somewhat equivalents in performance? do they need something different specific for each one in the perk tree?

[tall torrent]

rashad is better overall

[dense bridge]

Rashuns?

[ebon inlet]

so

stance is cool

[void dragon]

Exe or castigator? Exe currently is quite good, and Castigator is about to finally become quite respectable

[ebon inlet]

this is the veteran chat so

but yeh exe stance

i was gonna run it in a las build but....i accidentally took the bolt pistol

still popped off tho

we lost

but wasnt my fault

now i just need a melee to pair with it

i was thinking either blade or shovel

[tall torrent]

power sword

[ebon inlet]

i tire of pressing special after every 3 hits

[tall torrent]

stance is ironically the best ability for power sword cuz it makes ur activated attacks unable to be cancelled

[midnight galleon]

they should add special artifact weapons of every weapon category that has max stats

[errant carbon]

Maybe that'll be what we can buy with the new currency from the new mode

Or maybe 80% will be 100% for the lifetime of the game

[frigid kite]

It'd be cool if we could redistribute how we wanted

triple 100's and a 0 dump

or an expensive process to slowly chip 1% off other stats into one of our choosing

100/80/70/70/60 or something

if they wanted to keep 60 as floor

[lean basin]

so as someone who knows nothing, how are energy leakage and overload for the falchion?

[dry cloak]

Vhange overload for cranial grounding and youre set

[lean basin]

idk if my aim is good enough to consistently hit weakspots

[formal hamlet]

Guys are they going to reset all my build talents for all my classes when the update drops?

Cause every time they reset all the builds, I have to come asking for the new version of all my builds on all my classes, and that takes days. 😭

[tame lodge]

Likely to happen

They are removing one talent

[formal hamlet]

I saw VoC and plasma gun nerfs, are we getting anything cool at least?

[errant bear]

Not really

At least for vet

Infiltrate will be slightly better but still ass imo

And they are nerfing shout

[violet walrus]

firing stance buff is real

[errant bear]

How did they buff it

[violet walrus]

slightly more damage and slightly longer lasting damage buff

[formal hamlet]

Does it auto reload my gun and equip it instantly now?

[toxic reef]

they've told playtesters that that will no longer happen

[errant bear]

That's okay but most of his weapons don't need it

[formal hamlet]

Oh snap.

[toxic reef]

the build will try to adapt to changes, but might be incomplete

but not reset

the only tree that's visibly changing is scum afaik

[formal hamlet]

Okay, that's better at least, it will be like "you're over the point limit due to change, or you have a spare point from the removal of a node, please alter this build slightly."

Easier for me to ask "hey where do I point this final point on the new tree?"

[toxic reef]

well it'll just give some generic exclamation point error thing

but vet isn't getting tree changes

[errant bear]

I think they should include the blessing from one of the guns into its effect by default you know the one that makes you go quicker the longer you fire

[toxic reef]

just talent ones

[errant bear]

Dunno the name anymore

[formal hamlet]

At least on my plasma/ps build it's gonna be probably just putting my point into ranged cleave.

[errant bear]

No point imo

Use M2 if you wanna clear out choke point

[formal hamlet]

Alternate fire has more cleave?

Oh hey, a reason to use alt fire on plasma.

[errant bear]

Mouse 2 has still infinite cleave

[formal hamlet]

Finally I can explode.

[errant bear]

And cost less ammo now

[errant bear]

Lmao

[toxic reef]

how many ranged weapons even have enough decent cleave for a 50% increase to matter much

like the second best after plasma is revolver

[errant bear]

I don't think it will matter for anything really

[formal hamlet]

Braced auto gun?

[violet walrus]

also hey guys i'm looking for ideas on using the agripinaa stub revolver, any ideas?

[toxic reef]

it's not on the level as melee cleave

[toxic reef]

switch to zarona :^)

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[violet walrus]

well i know that

[errant bear]

Heard it's good with scum dunno about vet

Don't use the gun

[distant mural]

Revolver is very good imo

Especially on vet

[violet walrus]

my go-to is surgical/handcannon for zarona

[toxic reef]

get good with hitting heads in its braced position

those are zarona blessings

[distant mural]

I think surgicak needs to go

[toxic reef]

not really agri

[violet walrus]

i know that

[distant mural]

Handcannon is good

I dont remember the 2nd blessing

[midnight galleon]

I thought revolver was considered bad because reload times (Yes I know it can be boosted by vet talents

[distant mural]

Idk i think its very strong

U can get around reliading with ws if u want

[toxic reef]

it's very zealot sidearm coded

to patch up carapace

[tropic halo]

One mark has a speedloader

[toxic reef]

but crushers are now beefier

[tropic halo]

the other reloads each bullet at a time

[distant mural]

But thats the bad mark

[errant bear]

I think it's clip is a bigger issue personally

[midnight galleon]

aahh, I been using the individual bullet one haha

didn't even check out the other

[toxic reef]

well we have clip increase talents so

agri can prob do well if you get really good at shooting accurately with its braced aiming

[midnight galleon]

I imagine when 30 bombers show up its a problem, yes

[distant mural]

Just take weapon specialist or a reliad talent

[toxic reef]

ws is just a lot more rewarding for zarona tho

[errant bear]

Not enough I want at least 20 shots there to compensate for the reload

[toxic reef]

then get all the reload talents too

[distant mural]

With all reload talents u get like 55% increase

[toxic reef]

coupled with the speedloader mark

[errant bear]

There are usually more than 7 specials in one arena so having such small clip is dealbreaker for me

[distant mural]

So its super fast actually

[toxic reef]

you're not gonna hurt much

[distant mural]

And it oneshots allmost anything

I think its 2-3 for a crusher

And it murders bosses if i remember right

[midnight galleon]

I wanna melta crushers

[toxic reef]

use kraks

[midnight galleon]

Inferno Pistol me daddy

[toxic reef]

stop shooting armor

[distant mural]

Use krak

Indeed

[midnight galleon]

Krak these nuts

[distant mural]

Ok

Ait down

[errant bear]

Duelling sword goes stabby stabby

[toxic reef]

guns aren't hammers to hit nails with

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-side-eye-disgust-homelander-disgust-gif-8598740096398412855

[errant bear]

Lmao

[toxic reef]

I don't remember the last time I used dueling sword actually

[distant mural]

All jokes asid

[toxic reef]

I'm just using something better for every class that gets it

[distant mural]

Ds is very safe and decent weapon

I just personally hate it

[errant bear]

I love shivs personally

[midnight galleon]

dueling sword is cool tbh, reminds me of the rapier on V2

[toxic reef]

I also don't get the point of using a single target gun and then couple it with a single target melee

[errant bear]

If I could I would give it to every class lol

[toxic reef]

like don't play in to the whole

[distant mural]

Exactly

[midnight galleon]

people don't think far enough ahead lol

[toxic reef]

vet can't melee or handle hordes

use shovel or power sword

or chainsword as the one guy screaming about

[errant bear]

It could be alright depending on the team comp

[distant mural]

Falchion is a decent sidearm

[midnight galleon]

Power Sword just feels better tho

[distant mural]

Falchion has more dodges and is safer

[midnight galleon]

Like, it SOUNDS better

[distant mural]

P-sword is just p-sword

[midnight galleon]

Im talking wholey aesthetics here

[toxic reef]

the only bad thing about power sword is how much stamina you need

when getting swarmed trying to power it up

[distant mural]

They had to nerf it somehow

Its honestly kinda broken

Im not using it anymore

[toxic reef]

ye I've seen ppl use it on zealot in psyk

[midnight galleon]

I love the sound of the sword cutting when activated

[distant mural]

Its just very annoying to use

I wish it was like relic

[toxic reef]

vet not having reliable stun immunity balances it

[toxic reef]

let me tell you about falchion

[distant mural]

Not the same

Different moveset

If the moveset was the exact same

I would be ok with it

I dont care if its overpowered or not

Its just so annoying to use honestly

[toxic reef]

I'm prob going to give it a try again with the patch

idr if I used it on a full ws build when leveling

that time was a haze since I was doing mortis penances together with plasma gunner 1.0 wreaking havoc

[distant mural]

I rarely ever used ws

I havent played vet in a while in general

[toxic reef]

I'm 80% WS, 20% MMF

I can't handle FT, my tagging style either forgets to use it or wastes it on something

and I don't want to get a mod to auto do it for me

[midnight galleon]

Change the target key to T 😛

It helps so much

instead of trying to fucking middle click your mouse

[toxic reef]

no that isn't a problem

[midnight galleon]

ah, just can't remember?

[toxic reef]

well I said the two reasons

[midnight galleon]

I'm sorry I play ogryn I sometimes can't read

[toxic reef]

understandable

it also feels like a very hungry keystone in terms of talents

WS I only run 1 or none

MMF is two

I am getting by fine as is so I'll leave it like this

[distant mural]

I hate tagging too

I feel like people overuse it sometimes

If somebody is spampinging ill leave immediatly i cant fckn focus at all

[toxic reef]

I might have the mod to disable tagging sounds

or I think I was gonna get it because of such

like my two main ways of tagging are to see something better/notify that I'm dealing with this or to highlight it for someone else

like if I could have focus target for only bosses and doesn't waste my keystone

great

[midnight galleon]

yeah I see people spam pinging a lot which is why I try to only press once

[steep flower]

T? Wtf you have 3 hands?

[midnight galleon]

?

[toxic reef]

you just use the index

[midnight galleon]

Wasd movement means only have to move my finger a little

[toxic reef]

you have to reload with R anyway

[midnight galleon]

probably could make it F or Q also but that feels awkward because I associate it with T now lol

...E also

[toxic reef]

I think I've only changed special key to a mouse button

and removed weapon swap on mouse scroll

I accidentally wasted too many rockets so it had to go

I never used it anyway

q for weapon swaps and just 3,4,5 for the rest

[distant mural]

I only tag like crushers or disablers

Like if i feel like someones about to get bonked or smth

Or bullwark if i need help

[lean basin]

I need to remember to ping to use the keystone I specifically got excited for lol

[mental bay]

Hello everyone. New player here (about 50 hours in).
I'm working on my veteran build (going for a shotgunner setup that can easily swap to bolt or plasma gun), but I'm having issues with the curios.
Is there no way to upgrade their power level? Does it even matter?
I have one with perfect rolls (besides the 2 perks sitting at 1% below max roll) but it's only 390, and I have yet to get one anywhere near 500. Am I missing something here, or is my best hope to get one from the requisition store, with at least 2 out of 3 desired rolls?

[formal ice]

From 390 to 420 is usually the ones with max stat for curios

Also no you can't upgrade them

Just be lucky or be max level

Being max level makes you more lucky

[mental bay]

So I really shouldn't be bothered with them not being 500?

[formal ice]

No

[somber axle]

If you're still leveling don't worry about curios. If you're level 30 check Melk for his selection because sometimes he has good curios

[mental bay]

Oh I am level 30, and farming maelstrom on herecy

So I'm past the start and slowly easing into more challenging gameplay

Got my weapons at 500 and perfectly rolled

[somber axle]

If you're looking for a 21% HP curio, a +3 Stam curio or a +17% toughness curio your best bet is to check Melk's and Brunt's

[mental bay]

I was just wondering about the curios. And thanks, both of you, btw

[mental bay]

I was afraid so. My rng is bad, heh. But I'll keep looking. Thanks

[somber axle]

It's unfortunate but you'll get them eventually

And if you're really lucky the Emperor's Gift after a successful mission may drop one in your bags

[mental bay]

Oh I don't doubt that. Just want to improve any way I can, and Google'ing will only tell me that much

[somber axle]

the only other way to gamble for them is Melk's mystery curio and tbh I wouldn't even recommend that unless you have a bunch of Melk chocolate coins to burn

[mental bay]

Oh yeah? I was looking on the internet for an answer to that. People were mixed. I got the sense that I shouldnt gamble, though

[somber axle]

I spent like 10k Melk coins on mystery rolls trying to get good curios for my Arbites and Hive Scum when I first made them and most of them were garbo

the chance of getting a good curio from mystery rolls is probably very slim

[mental bay]

Damn, that's tough.
I have 4k, and already working on an ogryn as well. So I'll save for items

[somber axle]

better to have enough coins to get a good curio when Melk's shop cycles

[mental bay]

That's once a day, yeah?

[somber axle]

I think once every 12 hours but I'd need to double check

[mental bay]

Oh really. Guess I will have to check more often.

Is there a good pistol build not involving a revolver, btw?

[somber axle]

Double checked the wiki and it's every 24 hours at midnight

There's solid Laspistol and Boltpistol builds yeah

Boltpistol with Lethal Proximity becomes very funny for bigger blast Shredder Frags

it has a blessing that's bugged and increases the blast radius on all explosives on a class instead of just the blast of the boltpistol rounds

[uncut terrace]

Anybody thinking about wide choke combat shotgun with execution stance tomorrow? Old Markus Kruber huntsman vibes?

[toxic reef]

accatran?

don't like it

[native ocean]

I only like the slug shotty myself

[torpid sundial]

whats the difference between headtaker and decimator

whats chaining 2+ attacks

[turbid ibex]

Headtaker is far more consistent

[turbid ibex]

Hitting the same target multiple times

[torpid sundial]

ohhh

ok right yeah

headtaker then

[turbid ibex]

Also get +25% damage vs unarmored/carapace for perks

[torpid sundial]

I thought it was on any enemy lmao

I'm using carapace/unyielding

boss damage goes wild

[tame lodge]

Zarona revolver 6.5 cleave
Helbores 3 cleave
Brauto 8 3 cleave
Bolter 3 cleave

[torpid sundial]

helbore with hotshot and 50% cleave

surely op

6 cleave right there

[turbid ibex]

Woaw

Big if true

[turbid ibex]

Point blank

[tame lodge]

Due to how hotshot is coded you basically double the base cleave
So with the new 50% you get 9 cleave Helbore

Just remember to hit heads

[torpid sundial]

Wait how is it coded

[fickle narwhal]

hey what do i need to do to get that legendary chest of the vet related to 90% of something, i think my translation is wrong

[tame lodge]

It's -mass instead of +cleave

[torpid sundial]

Wtf lol

Then why did they put 50% extra cleave in the description

[turbid ibex]

90% accuraccy at the end of the mission and 0 ammo left

[torpid sundial]

Fatshark…

[tame lodge]

A 4 mass Rager is considered a 2 mass enemy when Hotshot is around

[fickle narwhal]

accuraccy is enemy hitted or enemy head hitted?

[tame lodge]

Classic Fatshark moment

[turbid ibex]

90% of shots hit at least one enemy

[frigid egret]

peak obese megalodon moment

[turbid ibex]

Best way to do it is prob DB build since with shotguns you only need one pellet to hit

[slender elm]

Ye

Just do double barrel

[distant mural]

Just hit

No need for fancy shots

[dapper pier]

I need build suggestions
Heavy las pistol, exe stance, shock troop (obv)

[tame lodge]

🫵

[dapper pier]

👀

[distant plaza]

no iron will is certainly a choice

[dapper pier]

Im a casual player. Idk what im doing

I slot the prettiest perks and ask for a guiding hand

[tame lodge]

You most likely don't need One Motion

You also don't have Precision Strikes

Also what's your melee?

[dapper pier]

For now knife. I dont want knife. But.

[last marten]

knife good

[tame lodge]

You can probably drop attack speed for knife

If you drop Serrated Blade, that's another point save

So now we have 3 points

Tinkerer is only need for havoc crushers, right?

So drop it too

Now that we have 4 points

Get Precision Strikes, Iron Will and Reciprocity

[somber axle]

Hey if you want to see a build maybe this might feel a bit better?

2 points leftover to choose your keystone

And another node elsewhere

Could swap Leave No One Behind for Demo Team but I really like the faster rescues for clutch saves

You could also swap Serrated Blade onto Field Improv but since you said Knife it felt like a better fit

[fervent hemlock]

there is nothing more depressing as a vet main

to see a vet using revive shout

[somber axle]

It's getting buffed with the update at least

No more radius decrease or CD increase on revive shout

[distant mural]

Ooh?

Actually meaningfull changes?

Can it be?

[somber axle]

Exe Stance and Infiltrate are also getting buffs

[pseudo fiber]

Shout is 40 seconds now tho

[somber axle]

Oh and yeah shout is getting an overall CD increase

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/real-shit-i-sleep-shaq-triggered-woke-gif-17504394

Guess the old veteran gets out if the box again tomorrow

[somber axle]

I can't remember all the stuff off the top of my head but baseline Exe Stance is going to 6 sec duration and with Ogryns node it goes to 9 sec

That's an insane amount of uptime

[distant mural]

Goated

I dont need anymore

[somber axle]

It already feels sorta infinite at 8 seconds but this may make some people feel like they don't need the Ogryns node anymore

[distant mural]

It ia infact infinite

But i wont stop em

Veteran deserves all the love

[somber axle]

On some weapons with slow reloads it can be a short window for getting the next kill to refresh but the extra 1 sec will help that

[distant mural]

I can shoot kill and reload my bolter inbetween so it was allways infinite

U just need aome reload speed talents

[somber axle]

Plasma is getting a little lovetap nerf to uncharged shot cleave. Dropping from like 100 or whatever crazy cleave number it had before down to 10. But the charged shots are having their ammo cost reduced so maybe Plasma Vets might end up using the charged shots at low charge rate to get their 100 cleave through a mixed horde and we might see some Vets accidentally blowing themselves up Psyker style when people remember charged shots kill you at 100% heat

[turbid ibex]

Plasma hipfire is 18 from 55

[somber axle]

That sounds right I forgor the numbers thanks

Oh also Get Back in the Fight is being removed for a new talent node that gives +50% ranged cleave and some Vets are already toying with ideas to make it silly

I saw a few people talking about Helbore Hotshot with that +50% cleave and it sounds very funny. I'm imagining a Surgical/Hotshot Helbore Mk V cleaning up a mixed horde for free and fast

[pseudo fiber]

(Still one of the highest cleave in the game btw)

[dapper pier]

Fuuuuu spamming the trigger w las pistol is so satisfying

[somber axle]

Oh and the Infantry Lasgun is getting buffs to the Unyielding ADM I think? IIb(or whatever mk the fast firing variant is) gets a recoil buff. And the Efficiency blessing gives the 66% reduced ammo cost every 0.5 seconds instead

It needed Flak ADM buffs but maybe one day

[pseudo fiber]

And a hitbox buff and a stamina usage reduction too

[somber axle]

Plus I think buffs to the hit scan for easier headshots?

[pseudo fiber]

It's a lot of really nice buffs

[somber axle]

Yeah

It's still going to be rough shooting into Flak at close range and losing half your damage but the iLas should feel better now

[pseudo fiber]

But in the new expeditions™ that reverse fall off will shine

[south spindle]

Kinda hyped to try Infil' again at this point

[south spindle]

Just smash them over the head with the trusty poop scooper, problem solves itself in short order

[somber axle]

Yeah for expeditions the longer range fights should definitely let the iLas perform

Also yeah the iLas is good for training yourself to swap melee and use a can opener instead

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly inf las with a psword and exe in havoc

Bringing back the OG vet loadout

[south spindle]

Never was keen on Psword

Shovel/InfLas was the OG Vet setup for me lol

Being able to juggle multiple Crushers with the poke is great

[tame lodge]

Just kill em

[fickle narwhal]

is it just me or infiltrator vet is pure sht

i don't get the role

[tame lodge]

Currently yes

Your role is play the objective

[serene bough]

I think it'll still struggle with the high amount of armor density as a focused build

But at least it'll be more reliable in picking off softer specials and elites with better ammo econ

[fervent citrus]

So, the infantry las is finally getting buffed?

[hollow ibex]

yup

[south spindle]

I never would have guessed thats optimal, not even once

[hollow ibex]

it's prob going to go from bad to mid

ilas that is

[south spindle]

It'll be more interesting than prior if nothing else

Ammo economy wasnt really the change it needed, but its a W nonetheless

[hollow ibex]

yeah i guess fatshart is allergic to buffing flak adms on weapons generally

[fervent citrus]

I heard it was by increasing mag cap and unyielding damage and decreasing the recoil on the mk2

[hollow ibex]

refused to do it for dclaw, refused to do it for ilas

[south spindle]

Considering they changed Scab Ragers to be mostly carapace, it seems a little weird because aint none of the other flak enemies are hugely threatening even with low ADMs

[hollow ibex]

well the head is still flak, which is prob where you're shooting usually

and scab gunner is flak

mauler / plasma bodies etc.

[south spindle]

Ofc, but they're not hugely problematic nonetheless

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't say that

they're pretty significant elites

[south spindle]

Ehh, Maulers can be if you've got bad flak ADM's, the others less so

An even then, its en-masse, a lone one isnt

Generally a whole ass mob of flak bruisers is more of a problem because they are decently likely to chip and with a slower TTK or having to hit heads for a timely kill witout missing, you're extending that window where chip is likely

[serene bough]

I want to see how the unyielding adm is changed

Id like to play with the changes before I decide if flak changes are still necessary or not

[hollow ibex]

yeah reserving judgment for now, though i still find ignoring the flak adms to be a suspect decision

[ancient path]

excited for the new patch tmr. cant wait for all the broke mods again

[faint beacon]

500 broken mods

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-five-hundred-cigarettes-gif-6779891482871762392

[silk brook]

whats the best way to go about the marksmans focus penance in terms of loadout with the camouflage node not existing anymore, its my last ability penance for vet and its annoying the hell out of me more than it should

[serene bough]

Its pretty easy to upkeep currently

Id imagine just spamming recon at head level into hordes is the fastest

[charred halo]

how good is the shovel

[steep flower]

Only chest part

[serene bough]

Its got uncanny so not terrible

But better options

[hollow ibex]

They really buffed the node tbf so it feels good even without camo now

[charred halo]

i now understand your display name

manstopper weapon specialist double barrel

ough

[hollow ibex]

Welcome to the cult of manstopper brother

Double barrel manstopper is only the tip of the iceberg

[somber axle]

You could try the Zarona Shotgun special. Click heads to 10 MMF stacks then load the special shot and fire into a horde. All the dead poxwalkers/groaners feed your penance count fast

Manstopper/Scattershot blessings

[charred finch]

shoot things in the head

[somber axle]

Infiltrate if you wanna be cheeky and just casually load your special, line up a horde and evaporate it but you can use any ability and any grenade

[charred finch]

you get toughness regen out the ass with most mmf builds

you could also just like wait until tomorrow because exe stance is getting buffed as well and it'll make it easier

[hollow ibex]

Vets just casually chilling in tox gas while clicking heads

[charred finch]

literally

it's the funniest shit ever i love it

[charred halo]

btw uh

they're buffing infantry las right

[charred finch]

ya

[charred halo]

i wonder if its finally not mid

[errant carbon]

They made it even more ammo efficient, and didn't improve its flak ADMs

[dry cloak]

i mean

having virtually infinite ammo WITHOUT shocktrooper

is a boon imo

[serene bough]

Yeah ammo efficiency is gonna be great on it

Itll be questionable whether or not it'll be a good sidearm to take for havoc though

[errant carbon]

This cadian rebreather (with visor, finally) better be good for something

[steep flower]

Helbore

[steep flower]

It was & will be