veteran-class

[dry cloak]

however antax CA specail is very much work using

[rich aurora]

You can use it while sprinting and it won't slow you down

Typically used as an opener

[tough nova]

Its just a quick stagger ability

A lot of weapons have that on their alt fire

[plush current]

Ive got down a pretty good gunner-vet build. Running recon las, refined with crit chance and crit damage, run the crit on next weakspot hit blessing, and crits consume no las ammo perk for vet. You can just hold down the trigger for a good while.

[tough nova]

Crit damage is a pretty bad choice but otherwise people have been enjoying that concept for a longtime.

[calm shard]

Recon Lasgun has bad crit damage. The reason you run crit for it is infernus

[plush current]

I'm running crit so it doesn't consume ammo on shot and I can shoot for a very long time.

[wild vortex]

Crit damage as a stat is still dogshit

Because if your normal hit is 100, and critical hit is 130, +10% crit damage is not 143 as you'd think, it's just 133 because it adds that 10% on the difference of damage between crit and normal

And recon lasgun as everyone else told you has bad crit damage

[viscid sparrow]

but that would require using Antax, and many (including myself) are too used to Rashad to swap to Antax...

[hollow ibex]

temu hive scum setup

[plush current]

This. Unfortunately hella accurate. Value Brand Scab Gunner

[plush current]

Whew good thing I am only running crit so it doesn't consume ammo as has been said like 3 times already.

[wild vortex]

You literally said you're using a crit damage perk

[plush current]

Im so sorry you cant read.

Crit chance on next weakspot.

I did say I do one of the refinements as 10% crit damage

[wild vortex]

I'm so sorry you're too dumb to remember what you write

How does it feel to go through life that challenged?

[plush current]

You misread it ya dope

[wild vortex]

"Refined with crit chance and crit damage"

Ok bro

[plush current]

I feel fine. You've got the reading comprehension of a toddler

[wild vortex]

I misread sure

[plush current]

Accurate ogryn sticker. You're about as smart as one.

[wild vortex]

writes "refined with crit chance and crit damage"
refuses to accept
abuses instead

Average redditor IQ

[hollow ibex]

yeah Sar is right, don't take crit damage

[wild vortex]

Serves me right trying to converse with somebody who builds crit on weakspot blessing on recon las

[plush current]

Literally the line right before you went on about your crit rant.

You absolute blockhead.

Maximizing crit chance not damage

To benefit from the veteran perk crits consume no ammo for las weapons.

There ya go, step by step for ya. If ya get lost refer to the first line.

[hollow ibex]

if you're taking headhunter over dumdum to maximize crit, it ain't worth it

[plush current]

I think I have dumdum on as well. That's more close damage on repeated shot?

[hollow ibex]

well dropping infernus also isn't worth it

headhunter is a solid third choice for blessing options, alas we only have two blessing slots

[plush current]

Ive run both. I think I did Headhunter Infernus on one run and Infernus DumDum my most recent

Ive been tinkering. But the primary goal is to crit as much as possible to consume as little of my magazine to maximize shot output.

The damage from the crits I couldn't care less about, just that the shot does crit.

[lean rune]

is it ever worth trying to kill a mauler/crusher/similar with ranged damage?

[narrow frost]

Depends on situation/weapon/build

Crusher are 99% no

Maulers with their flak chest can sometimes be argued that you can

[silver patrol]

Maulers for sure

Crushers only with few selected weapons

Otherwise you are just wasting ammo

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/jhpdn9y
https://fximgur.com/a/M9IBRJV

[thorn lark]

1% is bazooka, needler and revolver?

[wild vortex]

Helb0re too

[thorn lark]

Ahhh yes

Maybe exec focus bolter too but i have doubts

[dry cloak]

crit mk2b bolter is a go

[thorn lark]

Pining cav or Deadshot surgical?

[torpid grotto]

This is very strong but the latest meta research has discovered +2stam perk to be superior

[plush current]

Awesome. I'll give that a whirl my next run.

[wild vortex]

Probably still more useful than crit damage

[thorn lark]

Meta on scum

[torpid grotto]

Only slightly and in the hands of a gaming expert

[wild vortex]

I remember back before the talent tree rework, ES buff and recon las buff, someone here used to play Deadshot VIc

Was very funny

Idr who though

[plush current]

If damage was my concern perhaps. Luckily as long as I have 3 teammates and none of them like TheSar I should be fine even in Maelstrom.

[wild vortex]

One of the regulars

[torpid grotto]

Now this is a winners mindset

[plush current]

It's a team game, gotta work for the unit.

[torpid grotto]

That’s true. It’s why I play support smite bubble

[wild vortex]

I admire the commitment to the bit

[plush current]

That sounds like a fun and solid build

[torpid grotto]

Yup. It’s not about dps, it’s about ccing the poxwalkers so they can’t surround the team

[plush current]

And occasionally picking off the snipers. Those left unchecked are tedious to say the least.

[torpid grotto]

Can’t forget those for sure

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/smyker-psyker-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-18327129578094586864

[torpid grotto]

This is why I take 3 wound curios too

[hollow ibex]

none of it matters if the team doesn't pick you up

[plush current]

Honestly why I used to run revive shout forever ago. In a pinch it was real handy. Especially if we had a zealot already providing excess tougness.

But now just having the boosted revive speed is more than enough

[turbid ibex]

revive shout 💀

[void dragon]

hmm, should i take the shout that revive allies but is riddled with drawbacks or the one that prevents them from going down to begin with?

honestly that shout perk needs to be remade from the ground, there is no real decision to make there

[fair shale]

You can also just shout and revive during the stagger anims

[plush current]

In a Maelstrom mission all the gold toughness in the world can't keep you up sometimes. However I don't run the shout anymore cause I can still revive normally.

That too

[void dragon]

to add to the insult

[torpid grotto]

Of course they will, I’m support

[hollow ibex]

lol

[half glade]

good point

[half glade]

I kinda fail to see it though. It seems to stagger about the same as a regular light attack of Rashad - and it's nowhere near "quick" at all, it has this irritating delay before it hits, and also kinda wonky when it comes to aiming

[wild vortex]

It's quite useless yes

Easily the worst part of the weapon by a nautical mile

[hollow ibex]

it's just aura farming

[wild vortex]

You don't even need it tbh the push attack does enough stagger for the situations that need it

[warm gulch]

shout is just kinda boring

[plush current]

Can't argue there. I prefer Exe Stance.

[warm gulch]

based i like support stealth

[plush current]

Also based

Any preferred primary?

[lean rune]

is it generally recommended to power up the power sword before every swing?

[plush current]

It's definitely more lethal, but I wouldn't deem it necessary on base chaff.

[narrow frost]

yes for every attack

[tidal fox]

even on chaff it doesnt have great cleave if youre not focusing a bit on melee

[warm gulch]

the loadout is power falcion with plasma gun

[tidal fox]

you'll have to power it up

[hollow ibex]

basically mandatory

[plush current]

That's POTENT damn.

[hollow ibex]

unless it's like a poxwalker or something

[austere mica]

Doesn't even oneshot poxwalkers unpowered right

[hollow ibex]

might need a heavy attack

PS without power is a wet pool noodle

[warm gulch]

its so based

[plush current]

My usual loadout is Helbore Lasgun w/ power sword or sapper shovel
But as of late Ive been branching out.

I enjoy the shotgun variant with slugs as it's base ammo and a big buckshot round as the special.

[warm gulch]

Ilike that

[lean rune]

huh okok

[tidal fox]

is power falchion good

I might actually give it a try

[plush current]

Power Falchion might work better for ya. Its just turn on and swing until you overheat or swap

[fair shale]

Good compared to what

[plush current]

Compared to power sword I imagine.

[fair shale]

No.

It will serve tho.

[plush current]

Power sword enhanced swings are more powerful, for what I can tell. Power Falchion provides a longer window of power attacks.

[hollow ibex]

mid

main niche is for ranged build sidearm

[tidal fox]

oh thank god its got an overheat mechanic

[fair shale]

I'd probably take shovel over PFalc still tbh

[wild vortex]

Shovel or taxe yeah

[plush current]

That makes sense actually. Most of my builds like to focus my ranged weapon.

[fair shale]

Shovel is a wonderful weapon ngl

[wild vortex]

Peak bonk gameplay

[fair shale]

Its just such a solid all rounder

[plush current]

Good impact. Really helps keep them off ya

Chainaxe definitely has it charms, but it's never my goto melee.

[fair shale]

I hate that goddamn thing

I wish it was better

[plush current]

Lol it's fiesty. I like it against things like ragers and maulers.

[fair shale]

I want to use it

I dont like anything that grabs and bites

[plush current]

I got used to the mechanic. I wanted to use the eviscerator on zealot more as well.

It's rough.

[hollow ibex]

you don't need to latch most of the time tbf

[lean rune]

i was a bit confused by the power sword

[fair shale]

Turn it on, swing three times, turn it on again

If it's a crusher turn it on, push attack, light

[fair shale]

Yeah but when you do it feels awful

[main dock]

When it comes to Execution Stance Vet, is it better to just boost toughness, or should I boost my health a bit too?

[lean rune]

oops i wrote this while dead then i got resed

[narrow frost]

talking about curio options?

[main dock]

Yeah

[fair shale]

One 3 stam, one 21 health, one 17 toughness is very normal

[narrow frost]

curios dont change per build

a mix of toughness/hp/stamina helps vet alot

[main dock]

What does Stamina do for me?

[narrow frost]

I use 3 toughness myself, but alot fo people do 2 tough 1 hp

[fair shale]

A lot, vet is asthmatic

[narrow frost]

more push attacks/blocking/sprinting

weapon/play style dependent

[fair shale]

I don't think I'd ever not run hp on vet

I like it on scum too

98 hp spooks me

[narrow frost]

its decent for havoc, I am testing path's curio option for havoc (fatmangus vet). And I've been liking it

tanking 2 bursters

like 130 toughess and 220 hp

[main dock]

I like having one of my curios be a +1 wound just to make sure I have a little breathing room, particularly for someone like vet

[tall torrent]

heretical take: 3x health

[fair shale]

I feel like there's a health Renaissance in the community rn

[narrow frost]

you will eventually grow out of using wounds since they lower your survivability

[fair shale]

I've seen 3x hp getting run on a lot of classes

[tall torrent]

it's kinda

math

[lean rune]

uh yeah, basically i have been having a harder times when swarmed

[fair shale]

Tbf that was the same logic people used on "don't run health only run toughness"

I'm not complaining, I just think it's amusing

[tall torrent]

no actually

like

[fair shale]

I always ran hp curios

[tall torrent]

it's 2 parts rly

[lean rune]

maybe its just that i am not supposed to be swarmed (dont know if possible), but it feels like i dont have great opportunities to press power and if i dont, then the weapon kinda sucks

[tall torrent]

the first part is, does +% toughness from curios really matter (and if they do, how much do u actually need)

[narrow frost]

knowing how to make the tech to turn it on faster + finding the opening to do so comes with time

[tall torrent]

the second part is, what perks to run if u have max'd health (which means no stamina curios)

[fair shale]

You're preaching to the choir man, I like more HP

HP directly stops me from dying

Its good

[tall torrent]

but I also don't run any toughness anymore

[fair shale]

I thought it was psychotic when Scum came out and everyone went "yeah run 3x stamina curios"

[tall torrent]

3x stam is trolling

[fair shale]

I agree

[tall torrent]

toughness has value but I find it dubious

[tidal fox]

3x stam is a sleeper yall dk

[tall torrent]

because toughness is fundamentally a DR mechanic
what rly matters is can your toughness replenishment keep up with the rate at which your toughness goes down

and the answer is usually yes for all classes

also havoc completely neuters toughness +% value

most builds start at like 80~95 toughness which means +10% won't even get u 10 more toughness

[fair shale]

Preaching the the choir man, I agree with you

[tall torrent]

with that said

[hollow ibex]

It’s pretty effective on some builds

[tall torrent]

my conclusion for the 2nd part is actually stam regen & block cost

[hollow ibex]

Wouldn’t do that for havoc tho

[tall torrent]

yea it's a sleeper
should keep sleeping

[fair shale]

Idk about block cost in this game

[tall torrent]

it doesn't look very good yes

but

in competition vs corruption, revive speed, bomber

I think it wins out among these

given a health stack curio setup

[fair shale]

Such a weird darktide meta forming rn

I like it

[tall torrent]

and my argument for block cost is same as VT2

you get more equivalent stam for blocking from less regen time

2x stam regen + 2x block cost gets u smth like 160.1% equivalent block stamina per 1s regenerating stamina

[fair shale]

What do you spend the other two points on

I assume health?

Cause 3x gunner dr is jusy

Normal

[tall torrent]

3x health +21%
3x health +5%
2x gunner x80%
2x stam regen +12%
2x block cost x88% (or 2x docket +10% outside havoc)

[lean rune]

how do i do the tech? i didnt see it mentioned in the guide, but i couldve missed

• i felt like charge, a couple normal swings then a push made me much more survivable

[narrow frost]

mk6, special then block

[lean rune]

not sure how i will fare against swarms with ragers, but hey

maybe thats not my job

[tall torrent]

better than most

[lean rune]

wowie

oki

ty

step back for time to charge is key

i was sort of doing that before with heavy attacks, stepping back while i charged

so i guess its the same

[fair shale]

I'll give it a try soon, probably on scum first, thank you

[lean rune]

think i was also wasting my time with charged heavy power sword attacks, they seem kinda shit

[warm gulch]

its good not as much dps as PS but better mobility and utility

[tidal fox]

im a sucker for mobility so I'll try it

[tall torrent]

no

[warm gulch]

lie

[tall torrent]

it's 8~10+ buffs away from being good

[warm gulch]

what

[fading yarrow]

Out of curiosity, which Talent would you suggest sacrificing in order to get Grenade Tinkerer? Only complaint with the build so far is that it feels a little rough not being able to kill Crushers with the kraks

[warm gulch]

its good just takes finesse but can always be better

[desert viper]

power falch damage against flak makes me sob

I love that thing but

any mixed crowd kills my fun on it

[warm gulch]

its good against flak i thought

[tall torrent]

?

it straight up just is?

[warm gulch]

Its not

[whole solstice]

I wouldn't really know since I usually just use a power sword to kill them

[desert viper]

I don't know super exact numbers but

when charged its like

somewhere above chainsword

[fading yarrow]

I see, I'll just play around with it then

[tall torrent]

u rly wanna call this good?

[warm gulch]

Have you used it? Its good just build it numbers arent everything, its also good for dodges and motility its just faster power sword

Obv weaker bc then it would be broken

[tall torrent]

yea I've used it

it's not good

no good mixed horde stagger

dogshit unpowered atk ADM

long heavy smiter windup

[warm gulch]

Idk ig u just had a bad sword

[silver patrol]

So true

[warm gulch]

Bc I use it and its good

No matter what

Maybe im just more lucky

[silver patrol]

This is why the collective playerbase forgot about its existence

[desert viper]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-or-fact-call-it-jjba-gif-4356782155168095918

[warm gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/javier-bardem-anton-got-it-think-about-it-ok-gif-538567535507835188

[tall torrent]

it's not "just faster power sword"

it's the same mobility preset as most other melee weapons

[silver patrol]

It's wimpier relic sword

[tall torrent]

but does <half of power sword's dps

and it's not even fast

[desert viper]

idek if it beats combat knife

[wild vortex]

this is so comical

[warm gulch]

Unrelated question why compare it to a different weapon on a different class?

[fair shale]

I don't believe much of anything does

[silver patrol]

Because they are both melee weapons

[warm gulch]

Still faster than power sword

[desert viper]

that thing is speed and bleed

I love it

[tall torrent]

yea, less than half of its dps

worse sprint profile too

lol

[warm gulch]

But in regards to vet you cant use relic blade unless there was a new talent just added 🤔

[silver patrol]

This can't be real

[tidal fox]

vet relic blade 🐡

[desert viper]

vet relic blade is power sword slash half Jay

[wild vortex]

lmao

[tall torrent]

falchion
1/s sprint
+0.09m/s sprint bonus

power sword VI
0.75/s sprint
+0.27m/s sprint bonus

[warm gulch]

I mean i have seen more power sword users get caught by a trapper bc they have no dodges than anyone else

Besides ogryn

But they are big they cant help it

[tall torrent]

by this logic every low dodge weapon should get caught by trapper more

[warm gulch]

They do?

[tall torrent]

which means arb should be getting caught by trapper more than everyone else

[wild vortex]

[tall torrent]

which is, obviously not the case

[warm gulch]

Arb gets a talent thats gives them an extra dodge 😭

[tall torrent]

and has lower dodge distance than everyone else

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-train-thomas-thomas-the-tank-engine-thomas-and-friends-ishowspeed-gif-7297322352901128995

[warm gulch]

Dodge is more about timing than anything else

[silver patrol]

Unless they are equipped with the tacaxe, their dodge is like

[desert viper]

what the hell is Thomas the trian doing in this gif

[silver patrol]

Almost power sword tier

[tall torrent]

if u thought 1 extra dodge was the difference maker to match >2x the dps

good for u

in another lifetime it might

[warm gulch]

Same to you

I mean its about preference and skill

[tall torrent]

lol no

[warm gulch]

There is no definitive answer

[tall torrent]

arb has way less dodge than power sword

power sword 2.2m dodge

[silver patrol]

almost relic sword tier

[tall torrent]

arb with shield + maul gets like 1.72m smth

relic blade 2.15m dodge

lol

[wild vortex]

still feels better than being literally unable to dodge on Ogryn

[silver patrol]

almost uhhhh

[tall torrent]

they're nowhere as bad as people like to paint them as

[silver patrol]

almost fgs tier

[desert viper]

does mobility affect this btw

[warm gulch]

Yes im pretty sure

[desert viper]

the stat I mean

[silver patrol]

yeah

[tall torrent]

yea, this is with optimal stats

[desert viper]

cus I've been running a 60% heat relic blade ever since it came out

[tall torrent]

where power sword rolls 80% mob

relic blade rolls 60% mob

[desert viper]

and I recently swapped it out

[tall torrent]

falchion also rolls 60% mob

[wild vortex]

just not a fan of delay between dodges + zero dodge linger

I feel like we can move past that design. Game has evolved, it's time big man evolves too.

[desert viper]

big man evolved once

he was on top of the world

and then arby came out

[wild vortex]

after which they promptly devolved him and evolved the game yet again

[warm gulch]

He is like a burgle

[silver patrol]

i agree actually, ogryn should have no dodge button

[tall torrent]

I was talking abt these "low dodge" weapons actually having way better dodge than people think

[silver patrol]

i never had problems dodging with fgs in my experience

[wild vortex]

Ik I'm just stealing a chance to vent

[tall torrent]

fgs has less dodge distance than power sword too

[silver patrol]

yeah

[tall torrent]

u can't double standard this

[silver patrol]

isn't it the worst even

[tall torrent]

no

worst is arb shield + maul

[silver patrol]

among small people

i do remember actually having problems dodging bursters with the shield maul if i didn't double dodge but i didn't use it much

[tall torrent]

2m base
-12% distance

1.76m dodge

power output dump

however shield weapons use a diff push profile from normal

[wild vortex]

they have a broader, stronger push right?

[tall torrent]

yea

[wild vortex]

you can definitely feel it on the slab shield

[tidal fox]

you should also factor in the fact that it has a power meter and doesnt rely on powercycler

[tall torrent]

which actually makes it worse

[tidal fox]

I just tried it and the mobility is clearly apparent the damage loss seems worth it on a class that doesnt specialize in melee

[tall torrent]

because u can't do all of ur attacks energized

[tidal fox]

what?

[tall torrent]

yea?

sorry "vet is the ranged class" era was 2 years ago

power sword, despite its jank, u can actually make all ur attacks energized

falchio's heat gauge means there will always be downtime where ur attacks aren't

[tidal fox]

yeah but that's a concern if youre in melee that often

[tall torrent]

in which case its atk profiles are horrendously bad

[tidal fox]

and building for melee specifically

[tall torrent]

yea u should

yea u also should

if u wanted a melee self-defense weapon for a sniper build

[tidal fox]

I mean idk what kinda builds you running bro but clearly both weapons shine in seperate areas with one not really being better than the other

[tall torrent]

falchion gets mogged by tac axe

which has way better dodge, mixed horde, block cost & mobility

and costs less talents to be effective

if u wanted a workhorse melee weapon for dps

falchion gets mogged by power sword / combat axe

the direct competitor to falchion is actually combat axe

same exact mobility profile

combat axe does better horde clear, has reliable mixed horde stagger, can stagger crusher overhead with its single target dps moveset

while having no downtime

[tall torrent]

there's no area where falchion shines brightest

[warm gulch]

Its still really good you are just a uber hater i mean like yeah you have your reasons but tbh its needing a blessing to make a weapon good is still cringe

But its all about preferences

[tall torrent]

yea having 1 blessing choice is cringe

unfortunately that 1 choice is between sunder and BM

[warm gulch]

Ok

[thorn lark]

on vet?

[warm gulch]

You aren't open to any kind of like conversation so like why are we still talking

[tall torrent]

all classes (besides martyr zealot, and maybe staff psyker)

[tall torrent]

I am open to conversation, u just haven't disproved anything I said yet

[warm gulch]

You haven't decided to listen to anything i have said

[tall torrent]

I did

and the reality is that, falchion is not that good as ranged sidearm either

because tac axe does that job significantly better

so it's not so hot in either camp (ranged sidearm / melee workhorse)

FS went ultra conservative with falchions' atk templates

they basically designed the thing around post-1.9 vet (where vet got ~70% more dmg)

but every other weapon vet has was made before then

the equivalent of falchion for zealot is relic blade (similar heat gauge mechanic), which was also made for a time when zealot had less dmg
and in 1.9, zealot tree overhaul gave them more dmg (more accessible too)

[hollow ibex]

Falch has aura tho

[silver patrol]

i think you should actually use the combat blade and use punch only

it's very aura

[tall torrent]

17 morbillion punch man

[wild vortex]

class that doesn't specialize in melee
has insanely good melee buffs
most effective playstyle by a mile is melee+ranged frontline hybrid

[warm gulch]

Thank you

[hybrid plover]

Most of this chat will agree Falch is the "potential weapon" of vet. It honestly isn't great. It's cool looking. I like using it. But Fatshark played it way too safe.

[tidal fox]

what are these "insanely good melee buffs" that you can get in tandem without sacrificing crazy from ranged

[hybrid plover]

And the issue with it being a side arm for ranged is the activation tbh

[silver patrol]

Trench Fighter Drill, Precision strikes, skirmisher, agile engagement, weapon specialist

[hybrid plover]

When I need to pull out a melee to protect my self, I need that thing to be available immediately. Not go through an animation to actually use it when I'm getting overwhelmed.

Also Exploit weakness

[tidal fox]

it blocks for you when you activate anyways

[silver patrol]

• the generic others of course

[hybrid plover]

On a class that isn't very good at stamina retention

[hybrid plover]

That's not a good selling point lol

[tall torrent]

Nah

Even if u swapped to it already activated

It’s still far worse than tac axe

[plush current]

Whaddya need stamina for anyways, I'm not planning on running

[tidal fox]

if you cant live through a 500 millisecond power up that's just a positioning skill issue

[hollow ibex]

onslaught 🔥

[hybrid plover]

The only reason you would really be trying to pull out your melee at all if you're focusing heavy on ranged

Is for that exact purpose

It's not particularly good at that purpose.

[tidal fox]

it is not that difficult to be aware enough to anticipate a weapon activation

[hybrid plover]

It's the fact that you have to do it, at all. And get a weapon that can barely stagger anything as a result.

[tidal fox]

which again is tying into @warm gulch's preference argument

[hybrid plover]

I get that it is a preference. But why would we not want it to be better, when it is clearly an underperformer when it really shouldn't be in ways?

[tidal fox]

doesn't really underperform aside from damage numbers, it's just quicker and has different mechanics

[hybrid plover]

Actually

It's damage it doesn't underperform in. At least while charged.

It actually does pretty decent damage while powered

[tidal fox]

I'm not saying it's better than psword or something im just saying it's two diff playstyles

[hybrid plover]

I mean literally nothing is really better than psword to be real

Because it's just

[tidal fox]

psword is likely better generally, but if youre a diff kinda player pfalch is prolly better

[hybrid plover]

Overtuned

[tidal fox]

like I personally despise using psword cause it's too damn slow and I get left for dead (no pun intended) in pubs

[hybrid plover]

Probably the best generalist in the entire game?

[tidal fox]

taxe gives mobility and I love it

[tall torrent]

It kinda does

[hybrid plover]

It's not terrible on that regard from my experience. But then again it's not really hard to force this class to do gigatons of melee damage

[tidal fox]

that's what im sayin!

[hybrid plover]

But my real issue

Is that they made the relic blade

Made this weapon the equivalent of the relic blade for vet

And then proceeded to take nothing they learned from relic blade to apply it to this weapon

It's horrible unpowered

And the stagger is pitiful for a heavy curved sword that's also electrically charged

Its just confusing.

[tall torrent]

Check the stab (activated) for power sword, H smiter for combat axe, then check H smiter (activated) for falchion

You’ll know what I’m talking about

[hybrid plover]

I mean regardless

I like trying different things

I really wanted to like the falchion more

[tall torrent]

I like falchion 2b moveset a lot but it’s just not good enough

[hybrid plover]

And I still do

[tall torrent]

Funny that my 2 fav movesets are both on weapons that aren’t good

[hybrid plover]

I do really hope FS takes a better look at it.

Cuz for all the crazy shit they've put into this game

It's really weird they played it so safe here.

[hollow ibex]

it's oddly appropriate that the better falch

is the one where heavies are pointless

and it's unironically a good choice to just light spam everything

[tall torrent]

I like 2b more than mk1 ngl

[hollow ibex]

i like my dumb light spam weapons

if heavies got buffed i'd reconsider

[torpid grotto]

powersword on stim dreg rager seed...

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-nba-quit-quitting-leaving-gif-20946206

[hybrid plover]

Yeah...

[heavy rover]

Oh no purple is back in havoc

[heavy rover]

Which mk are you talking about?

[hollow ibex]

power falch mk1

[slow spade]

brb making it so only heavy attacks have cleave

[drowsy perch]

the main issue with heavy attacks is how long they take/last

a lot of them leave you incredibly open to getting your shit kicked in

[dapper agate]

Yeah PF heavies are kind of meh. Better to light spam most of the time.

[tidal fox]

PF heavies are SUPER slow

[steep flower]

Whats the second one outside falchion?

[tall torrent]

DC7

Genuinely the coolest single target moveset

Unfortunately not good weapon

[steep flower]

Push att - light - heavy right?

[eternal venture]

Devil Claw IV used to be so comfy

I still run it in H40 sometimes

[steep flower]

Still is

[eternal venture]

The damage and cleave just can't keep up, though

STILL FEELS BETTER THAN DS

[steep flower]

Its the parries man

[tall torrent]

SP block
SP riposte
Stab
L3 overhead
L1
H2 overhead
L3 overhead
PA (stab)
L3 overhead

[eternal venture]

DS is "comfy," but it only feels like it's doing a lot because the light attacks are fast

they don't actually clear hordes that well

[eternal venture]

Parry oneshotting red ragers on headshot in H40

https://tenor.com/view/haruka-haruka-amami-idolmaster-the-idolmaster-nonowa-gif-18060649271712406062

Hopefully, Falchions get a nice buff this year, too

Soon

Maybe.

[tall torrent]

It could use like 10

[eternal venture]

It's like

so close to being a solid horde clear weapon with some finesse for ragers that get in your face

so damn close

but it's just a little too slow

has just a little too much recovery

[tall torrent]

They made it for post-1.9 vet while every other weapon vet has was made for pre-1.9

[eternal venture]

does just too little damage

[tall torrent]

And vet got ~70% more damage in 1.9

Falchion can rly use a lot

The damage isn’t good enough across almost all of its attacks

The stagger isn’t remotely close to being good

The unpowered attacks are ass

Heavy attacks have too long windup

It’s not actually fast as a ranged sidearm, and doesn’t have the dps uptime to be a true melee workhorse

[eternal venture]

The other funny thing about the Falchion is that it comes with a bunch of parry/perfect block blessings

[tall torrent]

Yea they’re all irrelevant

The only block blessing that was ever relevant was lightning reflexes

Which I think is still a valid pick for arb shield + maul but that’s about it

But not a top tier pick by any means

[eternal venture]

It's competing with High Voltage and Opportunist, too, on the Arb shield + maul

Still, at least it's not like the Devil Claws, which have like 5 different Impact-related blessings

[tall torrent]

If u push atk a lot vs ragers it is good value

With that said it’s kinda niche

[eternal venture]

It's probably because it was supposed to be Vet and Zealot's defensive melee option

way back in beta, when the game was slower and had fewer enemies

[tall torrent]

Shield & maul? I don’t think they were ever meant for vet or zealot

[eternal venture]

Oh

Sorry, I thought you meant the DC blessings

(A crusader sword + shield would go hard on zealot, though)

[tall torrent]

I want them to make chain weapons good first

There’s 1 singular chain weapon where activated attack’s damage is worth the risk

And only if crit

That’s just yikes

But then again a lot of weapons can use buffs

[thorn lark]

The last updates were more let's adjust talents and tweak some movesets than a big rebalance patch.

I don't think we'll ever see another big pass on weapons

[steep flower]

Inb4 its been soo long since last weapon rebalance its honna happen
hopium

[desert viper]

which is that?

curious

[tame lodge]

And only if it crits

That's Evis15 100%

[thorn lark]

evis priestly

[tame lodge]

Actual fire writing btw

[desert viper]

oh ok I thought it was gonna be chainaxe or sum

[steep flower]

Yeah about that…
Mk12 chainaxe with thrust (and even mk4) achieve stagger for crushers too

No need for crit

[steep flower]

Was before they stealth nerfed them to not being able to stun a crusher on light rev

Now you have to either crit or use thrust

Which is sad; imagine nerfing a weapon already being underused & underaprecieated & outclassed

[unkempt kelp]

power falchion or power sword?

[thorn lark]

power sword is vastly superior

by like a margin so wide it is the intergalactic divide

[tough nova]

Sword is more effective

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-gif-26722749

[unkempt kelp]

aight

[unkempt kelp]

any mark recommendation

[heavy rover]

Mk vi is typically recommended

You can block cancel the charge up animation

Plus the push attack is good against single targets

[hardy yacht]

Hi! I'm new to Darktide and have chosen to go with Veteran. Any recommendations on sites to help me play my class best/better?

Idk what I'm doing but I love this game so far lol 😅

[heavy rover]

Take your time and learn the basics. Don't feel the need to rush to the hardest difficulty you've unlocked

Basics like learning sound cues on when to dodge / block. When someone is about to hit you or shoot you, you'll hear a "whoosh" sound effect. That's your cue to dodge /block

[thorn lark]

I would go mk6 with unyielding cara + power cycler 4 and sunder

[hardy yacht]

Thank you! I'm a little overwhelmed as I want to play well

[thorn lark]

there's some good videos on youtube

[heavy rover]

It's all good, the important part is to take your time, have fun, and don't be afraid to experiment and try things out

[thorn lark]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTr9uXF83YdmYRp-Bj7-PUczNbiqF6X-G&si=oLOGxIka96ebDc-J

[hardy yacht]

👏🏽

[hardy yacht]

Thank you!!

[thorn lark]

that set of videos is till good too https://youtu.be/5Geyiteg1U0?si=K0O9w9WqHuYuwIrd

[hardy yacht]

Perfect I'll add this to my cue. Thank you 🙏🏽

[tame lodge]

Guide on pinned messages

[hardy yacht]

Got it. Thx!

[unkempt kelp]

then why even consider power falchion?

[thorn lark]

if you want to try something that is not meta at all

[unkempt kelp]

I have the shovel for that

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/larp-star-wars-roblox-gar-stormmstz2-gif-11766308031918024273

[unkempt kelp]

or I could use the devil's claw

[unkempt kelp]

huh

[tame lodge]

Falchion is for the people that wants to look cool

[unkempt kelp]

thought that was the devil's claw

[tame lodge]

Or for the people that doesn't want to power the sword up every 3 hits

[tame lodge]

Imma be 💯 with you

Ain't no one looking cool with a dclaw

[unkempt kelp]

rlly?

I think it looks coolm, oversized machete

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's the problem
It's oversized

Too thin

It's coarse rough irritating

And gets everywhere

But yeah falchion

[tame lodge]

.

Except that falchion is worthless unpowered

And if you overheat you have ~13 seconds of being worthless

And if you don't want to overheat

You have to turn it off

Which makes it worthless

Fatshark did it again

[unkempt kelp]

last time I checked swords are thin compared to their size

[tame lodge]

Yeah but swords look cool

Dclaw doesn't

[unkempt kelp]

depends on the sword

[tame lodge]

If it depends
Then dclaw definitely doesn't look cool

[unkempt kelp]

look at katanas, they are not cool

nor are useful in battle

[tame lodge]

You say that then think dclaw is cool

😭 🥀

[unkempt kelp]

yeah

[tame lodge]

Anyways have fun with your power sword 6

[unkempt kelp]

going with dclaw

[tame lodge]

Have fun with your dclaw

[spice osprey]

is there a setting or a mod that enables extra bonding conversations/one that stops them from being cut off by combat voicelines? i've noticed they are almost impossible to come across on higher difficulties due to all the fighting

[fair shale]

What difficulty are you on

They get cut off more in higher diffs cause of all the hordes

There's no like

[spice osprey]

i usually play auric, auric maelstorms, or havoc 20+

[fair shale]

Yeah

That's just how it is

[thorn lark]

you would have more conversations if everyone played smyker tho

[turbid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1468645955732639898/Kill_all_Smykers.gif

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

[hardy yacht]

There's bonding conversations? 👀 I'm so new to this game this is all valuable treasure info lol

[umbral scaffold]

Oh yeah, Fatshark puts an unreasonable amount of effort into conversations

Specially now that instead of it being 5 characters talking, it's like 34 personalities

You'll still get some repetition because people have a bit of a preference, like female fanatic and male judge on zealot

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8-QsxCt4hUREW64Sjy6njSWNVNqAmZON

[sly oxide]

Vetrans rule 🔥

[tame lodge]

Calm down
You let your feelings get in the way

And ended up misspelling Veteran

[fair shale]

Its very reasonable tbh

Its one of the better parts of the game

[thorn lark]

Maybe it was v-trans

[strong jacinth]

I need some help with build stuff

[light galleon]

is the vraks infantry autogun still viable

[strong jacinth]

its been a bit sicne I played veteran so my friend gave me this build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b87b5fd-c1aa-4605-9515-e5f762e17a52/stormtrooper-veteran-krak-grenade-voice-of-command-weapon-specialist

it feels alright but gun still kicks like a horse which is fine but the reload speed is slow

[desert viper]

I can check one sec

[strong jacinth]

thx

the reload speed is honestly the one thing that ruins my vibe cause i wanna play a straight special/elite killer class but im not vibing with the hellbore cause of the charge up

the auto guns are also just nice against bosses from when i did play

[desert viper]

okay umm

well first if you wanna have a better reload speed you can totally swap exhilarating takedown for the node on the left

gives u reload speed when you get an elite kill

you should also take reciprocity

free crit by dodging is nuts

exploit weakness would work really well with that too

cus it's just 20% more melee damage with easy uptime

[strong jacinth]

mhm

now

could you give me a visual

i am not smart

[desert viper]

iiiii can try sorry I'm on mobile

[strong jacinth]

oh word

[desert viper]

lemme quickly circle the perks I'm specifying

don't worry I'm not smart either

[turbid ibex]

What the fuck is this shit

[narrow frost]

7/10 imo. Some weird talent choices that probably fits their creators playstyle more (shooting crushers)

Weapon and curio seem fine, most talents are good

[strong jacinth]

they want me to shoot crushers?

[light galleon]

@thorn lark so i dont have to use a meta plasma gun? 😛

[narrow frost]

It's what the talent tree is telling me

But it's not a worthwhile thing to do

Wastes alot of ammo

[strong jacinth]

i was gonna say

its such a waste

and krak is right there

[desert viper]

I'd grab these

[tame lodge]

The onslaught talent on the bottom right
It's mainly associated with shooting Crushers

[strong jacinth]

oh ok

[turbid ibex]

Krak with tinkerer is also only relevant for high havoc crusher one shots

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/what-about-plasma-hashbrowns112-skadoozi-877241-gif-20207766

[narrow frost]

2 extra points

[strong jacinth]

wuz da

[narrow frost]

You can get the reload speed at the top, extra grenade talent, a subnode on the keystone x the extra ammo

It's a good baseline vet build

[hollow ibex]

Could even skip tinkerer if not playing havoc

[narrow frost]

Yeah, considered it

[strong jacinth]

i have not touched that :)

once

[desert viper]

it's scary

play the game on auric before dipping into it

especially if ur returning

[strong jacinth]

i love auric

i get real people

[desert viper]

true !

[strong jacinth]

i honestly just gotta learn how to build craft myself

oh my name is red now

[narrow frost]

Just take your time and learn each talent

[desert viper]

yeah your gameplay is going to shape to the difficulty you play in

meaning your talents will match where you are at

you can get away with silly stuff but if u bump up into auric and above you will start wanting to minmax

that's when u usually learn the most imo

[strong jacinth]

i do enjoy play on auric

mainly when its just me anyways

if me and a friend we can bum around on damnation

imma go get on later and try work shopping some stuff

[hard wharf]

is there any advantage to using any melee weapon other than the duelling sword as a veteran? it just seems like every other option is strictly inferior

[strong jacinth]

imma try to screenshot this but idk how yall did it so its gonna be wonkey

[hard wharf]

I've maxxed the shovel and combat axe so far

[strong jacinth]

chainsword fucls

i like it a lot

[turbid ibex]

Dueling sword sucks ass at horde clear

And vet really wants good horde clear on his melees

[strong jacinth]

best i could do for screenshots

imma redo my gun to have more matching stuff

[turbid ibex]

Bruh

[strong jacinth]

not like its unreadable

[hard wharf]

hmm. could be that I'm only up to damnation rn

but so far the duelling sword has been good enough for chopping through the crap

I guess it has its limits then

[tame lodge]

Better horde clear

That being said

You're a vet

[strong jacinth]

here one sec lemme put it the webite

[tame lodge]

Just throw grenades

[light galleon]

how's the chainsword atm

cadian one

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-will-ferrell-steve-carell-grenade-gif-3438949

Oh also

[hard wharf]

throw grenade at horde
suddenly 3 crushers and 15 maulers

[tame lodge]

Multiple Ragers stagger

[hard wharf]

😭

[tame lodge]

Power sword has multiple Ragers stagger

Rashad has multiple (up to 3)

[turbid ibex]

What weapons are you even using

[strong jacinth]

infantry autogun rn

feels nice :)

[tall torrent]

yea power sword

[hard wharf]

ok I guess better question: what are good melee + gun combos that make different melee weapons work

[light galleon]

and this?

[tall torrent]

I actually rly like chainaxe XII + boltgun III

[tall torrent]

it's usable, not great

[strong jacinth]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a126b538-d288-4bc0-a76b-05ef69e3e7bb/test-111this should be just the skill tree

[light galleon]

what makes it poor? when i combine it with vraks autogun it seems decent, vraks for special sniping etc and chainsword is easy cc horde spam

[tall torrent]

carapace & unyielding dps both not good
and mixed horde stagger also meh

[light galleon]

so ill have to force myself to level power sword

is the vraks inf autogun also trash then

i mean nothing is trash, i feel like some things are just a lot better

[turbid ibex]

Bonesaw

[tall torrent]

it's top tier

[light galleon]

good, cuz i dont want to run meta plasma gun build

ill just have to level my power sword then

getting back into the game atm

[tall torrent]

it's about as meta lolol

[light galleon]

after years

well

[strong jacinth]

its more fun

[light galleon]

plasma gun or even recvon lasgun is so fucking boring

[tall torrent]

recon is super boring yea

[light galleon]

it also feels like a fake gun

[hardy yacht]

I was interested in the plasma gun but I'm so new that I haven't even used one yet lol

[light galleon]

idk its so weird to shoot

[tame lodge]

There's a good amount of ranged options but it'll depend on how much investment you will give them
Melee wise you have
Power sword 6 (melee investment build)
Rashad Axe (melee investment build)
Tactical Axe (ranged investment build)

[light galleon]

wdym with ranged investment

[turbid ibex]

helbore sniper build

you dont have as many points to invest into your melee and tactical axe still performs well without much investment on top of having pretty good mobility

but with proper investment the other two beat it by a long shot

[tidal fox]

it's not saving you against a wave of ragers tho

[tame lodge]

It's fast and has reliable stagger on heavies and push attacks

You will survive

[tall torrent]

it is tho

[hard wharf]

what do you pair the rashad axe with?

[tidal fox]

maybe unarmored ragers but not dreg ragers

[tame lodge]

The low cleave does mean that you will have to deal with 1 rager at a time

[tidal fox]

the stagger on the special seems to get ignored by them at some point

[turbid ibex]

dreg ragers are the unarmored ragers

[tidal fox]

and the damage isnt crazy if youre investing into ranged

[tidal fox]

sorry I meant the other ones

forgor their name

[tame lodge]

Scab Rager

[tidal fox]

ya

a few of those will make it a hard day if youre alone

assuming you dont have shout

[tall torrent]

no, both

[tidal fox]

if you dont have melee investment you're not handling scab rager mix in with a horde alone bro

[tall torrent]

dodge and block

use stagger

idk wat else to say

[tidal fox]

they literally just ignore it based on some attacks

and im talking like quite a few ragers here as common in difficult modifiers

not just a handful that you can weave about

tac axe not handling that

[tall torrent]

wdym ignore

ignore dodge? they don't have that

[tame lodge]

Actually I just lied

If you have 5 stacks of Headtaker

[tidal fox]

ignore stagger on the special

[tame lodge]

You have 3.75 cleave

[tidal fox]

not the dodge

[tame lodge]

If you stagger a dreg rager

He'll lose 10-25% mass

[tall torrent]

u don't have to use the special on ragers?

[tame lodge]

Meaning that at some point he'll have 3.6 or 3 mass

[tall torrent]

why would u

heavy atk achieves the exact same stagger result and does way more dmg

[tame lodge]

Meaning that your 3.75 can go through them

And hit a second rager

Headtaker Tactical Axe propaganda

[tidal fox]

still not saving you against 15 ragers and chaff

dunno what kinda game yall playin but taxe is not godlyt

[tame lodge]

Eh it's good
The cap on heavies put at shit tier for me though

[tidal fox]

that is my point

at least it's quick though

so it definitely lets you run

[tame lodge]

No your point has nothing to do with the cap on heavies

That's mine and solely mine

But I don't know what to tell you when you can easily dance around a horde + ragers with the tactical Axe

[tall torrent]

slot manipulation means u never actually have to fight 15 ragers all at once

your player character physically do not have that many slots for enemies to occupy

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah
Tactical Axe is shit because cap on heavies

And push attack because same profile

You know, gotta keep the principle

[clear lantern]

I mean they're all fake guns, but it's an energy-based FAMAS
Bullpup design

[desert viper]

which tac axe mark is good

[narrow frost]

7

VII

[clear lantern]

0111b

the one the Imperial Fists would use

[gentle dew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b87b5fd-c1aa-4605-9515-e5f762e17a52/stormtrooper-veteran-krak-grenade-voice-of-command-weapon-specialist would this work with a power sword

and if so, kwhat would you change?

[wild vortex]

see pinned guide for infinitely better build options

[gentle dew]

also what's the difference with braced and infantry autogun

[gentle dew]

thx

[hollow ibex]

Braced sucks ass

[gentle dew]

kek alright haha

[hollow ibex]

They’re just very sad rn

[gentle dew]

i remember them being really good once

[hollow ibex]

Vraks IAG is one of the strongest guns in the game

And the other two are decent as well

[gentle dew]

would you use it with like weapons specialist keystone focus?

or marksman

[hollow ibex]

Prob marksman or FT

But Vraks really works with anything

[gentle dew]

and for melee weapons choice with that? sorry i am trying to figure out how to have a useable build again

[unreal nova]

Works keystoneless even.

[gentle dew]

and not waste my diamantine

[gentle dew]

😄

so much has changed

[hollow ibex]

Power sword, Rashad, Tac axe are vets strongest melees

[gentle dew]

which is the most fun out of those 😄

nah sorry wont take too much of ur time, ill give em a spin in psykanium

power sword seems nice

[wild vortex]

just don't use it without charging

hits like a pool noodle otherwise

[gentle dew]

kinda like relic blade in that sense?

[wild vortex]

hit special and then block to cancel the animation and charge faster

[hollow ibex]

No it doesn’t get a heat mechanic

[gentle dew]

hero

[gentle dew]

i meant more like, poop damage unchargerd

[wild vortex]

basically you can't play psword without Power Cycler blessing

[hollow ibex]

Way worse lol

Relic blade is usable against trash when uncharged

[wild vortex]

can uncharged psword 1shot pox walker?

[hollow ibex]

PSword is not unless it’s just like one groaner

[hollow ibex]

Maybe with all the buffs on the bottom right

[wild vortex]

[gentle dew]

also what is a 'rachad'?

[wild vortex]

Rashad Combat Axe

[hollow ibex]

It’s a combat axe mark

[gentle dew]

oh the other type

[wild vortex]

there's three, Achlys, Antax, Rashad

[hollow ibex]

If you want something simple but strong, Rashad is a good option

But requires your build to have melee investment

So it’s not good in ranged builds

[gentle dew]

i would like a nice hybrid build where i can focus also on elites and specialists but hold my own in a melee.. preferably with the vraks cuz tha'ts something i at least have at full mastery

these 3 melee weapons ill need to put some time in to get to 500

so then it sounds like power sword or tactical axe?

[hollow ibex]

Tactical axe mk VII then

Or yeah psword

[umbral scaffold]

You can just make a melee build and slap a revolver or plasma gun on it

[hollow ibex]

Psword isn’t easy to use despite being insanely strong

[gentle dew]

the point was that i didnt want to use something like plasma gun haha

[gentle dew]

that's a good thing i think 🙂

thx for the advice all

[hollow ibex]

It’s very rewarding to master it

And it’s actually a very good melee to teach melee mechanics

It’s an interesting weapon

[bleak kettle]

i use duelist sword with double barrel op combo and the most fun one i tried

[potent talon]

This sounds fun

I should try this

[bleak kettle]

build is in pinned steam link just use duelist with uncanny/riposte unyield/carapace mk4

[potent talon]

I might be blind I don’t see it in pins

[bleak kettle]

nvm i had posted the build here
#veteran-class message #veteran-class message

[potent talon]

Bet thanks

[bleak kettle]

how you play is simple get melee kill fire the shotgun loop you never have to reload

[hollow ibex]

Something like Rashad is a way better option for that tbh

[potent talon]

I’m gonna run this in 30-40 havoc this should shred

[hollow ibex]

DS is incredibly overrated on vet

[potent talon]

I have mixed results with the combat axe

Sometimes it murders the heretics other times it’s like a box cutter

[hollow ibex]

It’s very consistent if can reach scab bruiser one tap

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1418078742198095964/706A021.MP4?ex=699dc5fe&is=699c747e&hm=ed8d64d13f85c9723f01b7adaef02ef9aacaf30d02b89a5bf00f1b388b936a37&

Like so

[potent talon]

Even in h30and 40? That’s what im prepping for

Daaang

I should also mention my melee technique kinda sucks lmao

[hollow ibex]

Yeah you need to go right side for melee damage but that’s it

[bleak kettle]

that build i gave you is for havoc 40 as well shotgun pierces everything other than carapace

[hollow ibex]

And you’d be going right side if you do WS DB anyway

[potent talon]

[hollow ibex]

Rashad is one of the easiest weapons in the game

[potent talon]

I will trust the process brothers

[bleak kettle]

and since it also has 100% crit you can snipe snipers np

[potent talon]

This brings me joy

Cuz I hate two things heretics and snipers

And snipers and heretics

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625217718194277/6A17271.MP4?ex=68f32e6a&is=68f1dcea&hm=7fd5e8fe3929a7328ba0aa71d82397a49a2ba8e9ce0a342b7c49f57fddd243cd&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1467763637136527482/2EB2961.MP4?ex=698190e8&is=69803f68&hm=3f0a1d77f35b42fbdd25b7d238f58759305a356e355a6339c5b43ceacce11b15&

My coolest DB counter snipes

[potent talon]

Siiiiick

[steel veldt]

combat blade user, respect.

[lean rune]

what is PA in terms of melee attack? i didnt understand from the guide

[narrow frost]

Push attack

[lean rune]

what is that? differing from pushing?

[narrow frost]

hold block then attack

this is a different attack that is often stronger in some regard

because it costs 1 stam to use

[lean rune]

oh, on the power sword it pushes then does a small stab? if im doing it right

[narrow frost]

yes

it does a stab

with mk6

[lean rune]

oki ty

[thorn lark]

I feel like the revolver is a bit too ammo hungry in my exec ws build, any recommendation for an alternative?

[slate valve]

Boltgun.

Boltgun go BOOM

[thorn lark]

You're not drawing it fast enough 🙃

[tidal fox]

<@&735928989146939404> mandated edict: mauling

[hollow ibex]

Bistol if you don’t mind crunching on crits lol

[slender elm]

https://x.com/Lorgarwasright2/status/2025819205510263037?s=20

Lorgar Aurelian (@Lorgarwasright2)

X · Feb 23, 2026, 6:25 AM

Found a funny pic

[bleak kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-saxophone-show-warhammer40k-youtube-leeroy-plambeck-strolling-through-ultramar-ultramarine-gif-16768997

only 40k gif i got 😄

[slender elm]

It's a pretty good one

[latent star]

Combat shotguns are a bit weak in meta terms but might be what you're looking for here. With Exe stance bolter might be somewhat viable. Plasma Exe stance isn't super common but it would let you wallhack specialists all day.

[mental barn]

Hellbore or recon lasgun maybe? They can be pretty ammo efficient if you get shock trooper (albeit that is quite a few points of investment)

[stable socket]

shout plasma has breakpoint problems in h40 which (i think) exe stance should solve

the gunner 1shs is kinda unreliable without all buffs up, so the extra 25% ranged strength should really help

[drowsy perch]

i keep trying combat shotty but the reload speed just sucks and makes it not really fun to use

even with reload perks

its damage output also just seems really inconsistent

[nocturne mulch]

Been loving Heavy Sword in Aurics

Paired with Laspistol

[hollow ibex]

if you're constantly topping off, it's not bad

also the damage is heavily dependant on crit/headshots

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1459984272713846998/5CD8D51.MP4?ex=699df44f&is=699ca2cf&hm=6e288f617003f416fc17f5102be7b3d56dbe81c5230a622cd24a7a1ddf886214&

but if you can land those shots.... oh boy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431856953994252339/5F22521.MP4?ex=699e75b4&is=699d2434&hm=154b93c40afd9f43b10c435d2a20610bd3f714e7d52c2f73e6e296b73c0655bf&

[deft crystal]

@keen gyro

[keen gyro]

hi

[tropic halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-please-do-not-the-cat-gif-11013093716903899251

[austere mica]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507364684924452922/1424129169071149201/temp_attachment.gif

[steep flower]

B…but… that implies they are the bad guys…
Are we… the bad guys… guys?

[slender elm]

Naw mate darth maul is cool

[slender elm]

Woe, 12 crushers

[warm dagger]

Counter-woe: krak grenades

[slender elm]

Can you kill 3+ crushers per grenade?

[warm dagger]

No but I can kill most of them, voice of command stun, and then cheese the fuck out of the chainsword special attack

(Chainsword with +25% carapace armor damage my beloved)

[slender elm]

We're not talking about chainsword

[warm dagger]

Who is “we”

Heretic

[slender elm]

The person I replied to

[formal ice]

Why is cadia still a planet there?

[shell nexus]

Krak-squad is real.

But i still cannot understand, smoke grenades make enemy blind or no? Sometimes it worked.

[formal ice]

Melee units can still swing their weapons and hit you

Ranged units won't know where you are

But they will still shoot