veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

Dueling sword? Prob the most boring melee in the game ngl lol

It’s just so one note

And has some major issues on vet due to lack of horde clear

[snow sonnet]

yeah but the movement is probably the best and i love movement so

[hollow ibex]

It’s stronger on psyker

[hollow ibex]

Try knife maybe

[snow sonnet]

eh

[hollow ibex]

Has better horde clear

[snow sonnet]

knife better than duel blade tho?

i dont really struggle with horde clear on duel blade

[hollow ibex]

Overall I think so

[dry cloak]

Less single target more hordeclear

[snow sonnet]

and i enjoy poking heads

[dry cloak]

Then mk3 knife

[hollow ibex]

Well the horde clear is terrible. You can just dodge around all day but the clear itself is not good

Safe but slow

[snow sonnet]

oh okay well knife is also weird because its some how a light weapon but has some weird delay to letting go of attack

like why do i gotta do a little twirl before hitting but maybes thats just one specific mk

[snow sonnet]

well for a weapon to keep me in melee most the time its pretty nice

so if i really wanted to i could fill that lack of horde clear with a recon lasgun or shotgun

also isnt knife slower?

[dry cloak]

No?

Reconlasgun is not hordeclear

Shotgun sure

[snow sonnet]

eh i dont really use las gun too much but a very fast fire rate weapon seemed like that

its not really accurate

knife is slower movement though right?

cause like thats what i meant by slower

[stark holly]

wdym? knife is one of the fastest movement weapons in the game

but yea, recon lasgun has pretty decent horde clear, especially mk12 which can stack burn pretty quickly. Can get ammo hungry though, so Its better to not just spam it 24/7 into hordes

[snow sonnet]

well like veteran also just generates grenades too

so i think ill have ways around horde clear

[austere mica]

Frags can help supplement lame clear

[unreal nova]

That's like when you stop attacking, you can literally cancel it by just attacking. It's not a 'real' animation that HAS to play out.

[snow sonnet]

no i mean on heavies

[unreal nova]

Are you letting go at the right time?

[snow sonnet]

if you mean am i holding it long enough yeah but perhaps it was a certain mk

[unreal nova]

They fire off fast enough without much unless I let go and don't continue, then it may play a flair animation the knoife has.

And I use both mks.

Depends on class.

If it's the mk3, it's downwards stabs, if it's mk6, it's 2x horizontal slash into a downwards stab from memory.

[snow sonnet]

I think it was on psyker where the knife heavy was an overhead and it just had an odd delay for being a knife

[unreal nova]

Mk 3 if it's instantly that. It should fire off fast as long as you know when to let go for a heavy atk.

Honestly, you should test with like Unga Bunga, feels cheaty, but it will heavy spam as fast as possibly, even to inhuman lvls.

[scenic lance]

so why do you want unarmored/flak for plasma gun

and not just flak/maniac

[dry cloak]

break point for dreg gunners

in current state imo mk2b bolter is better

[tall torrent]

dreg gunner 2100hp unarmored head in h40
also to make sure it can 1 tap toxbomber with the best consistency possible

maniac doesn't change its flamer breakpoint by that much (u can get there with regular buffs)

[hearty snow]

whats a good build to facilitate the agripina stub revolver

the fanfiring one

[hearty snow]

any good shock maul builds

[toxic reef]

skullcrusher and high voltage/hammerblow

or ig oppurtunist also works

think maul got decent adm tho

[dry cloak]

exe stance

also about maul

it wont kill fast

but is very safe

expecially mk3

[hearty snow]

looking at the hammer and the emperor builds, does it work well with the slayer build

[toxic reef]

most melees do, but uncanny strike weapons are better

[void dragon]

question: since a few lots of things got shaken by the HP buffs and other hay, is DS still considered broken? as in, backed with facts it is still as annoying as before? because in spite of its low mobility Psword feels more even

[dry cloak]

yes it is

[still bobcat]

Broken?

[void dragon]

damnit, the Dsword would look so good on my veteran but that is STILL a thing?

[tame lodge]

Yes

Suboptimal horde clear but who cares

Because

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carrell-anchorman-where-did-you-get-a-hand-grenade-will-ferrell-brick-gif-8210807

Just frag it out

[void dragon]

what would make it fair? less dodge speed?

less damage?

[tame lodge]

I don't really know how to balance dueling sword

[void dragon]

Maybe it is impossible to balance

[tame lodge]

Path probably knows how

But I just gave up on trying

[void dragon]

I still take lethal dosages of Hopium that one day will be balanced

[unreal nova]

Still basically top tier, just needs a little tiny bit more skill since you can't poke bully anymore... but defensively, parry is memes. Is weaker than DC in uptime though.

But mk2 now sucks since it relied on the poke to combo.

[tame lodge]

My goat

Washed

For some larpers to larp

[unreal nova]

5 has always been the pen dump meme mark to fly off the map.

[void dragon]

Do you think it's unethical if I put it on me Hlaspistol focused build? Do the lord's of badassery and you will look me down for running it? Or should still cast it away and use the chaxe instead to keep my honour?

[unreal nova]

I don't care, is more about having fun.

[unreal nova]

I'm literally running laspistol and falchion on a recon build.

Not kidding btw.

[void dragon]

I have been using onslaught recon with the bleed blessing on a Chsword, surprisingly effective to amp bleed and fire damage

[unreal nova]

Might need to fix the perks on it though.

It's running flak/maniac lul.

Pretty sure I want flak cara.

Then again, I played like 2 games with it.

[unreal nova]

Onslaught laspistol.

Kappa.

I totally just got lazy and literally used my recon build.

[void dragon]

i feel that onslaight true power is on the fast shooting recon, the Laspistol is head clicker gameplay

[unreal nova]

Rapidfire into heads.

My trigger finger itches.

[void dragon]

im trying, but they die with a few clicks! i have improved me cookies too much

unless...(stare at crushers)

[unreal nova]

Is fine. Is just funny on bosses.

I also run infernus+ghost.

So, herp.

Wondered why I could wade into a gunfight untouched. Clearly forgeting it.

[void dragon]

the true cooking experience, unbothered by gunshots, all the time to cook

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure you prefer dum dum for more serious ones.

[livid hill]

I hate that its called a heavy laspistol bc that implies the existence of a light laspistol which does not actually exist

Crying

Las uzi

[void dragon]

I'm sure that in Rogue trader that's a thing

ObeseFish plz

[slate valve]

Dude that would be really sick for hive scum actually

[amber vortex]

I'd be into it

[slate valve]

A tattooed thug dual wielding laser uzis spraying and praying into a horde of maggot filled poor people

[amber vortex]

Las tec9

[livid hill]

This is just boston

[slate valve]

In SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACE

[livid hill]

Space boston

[slate valve]

It’s like escape from LA where they quarantine the entire town, but then launch it into space

[livid hill]

Sposton

[slate valve]

I fully mastered the chainsword for my veteran

[void dragon]

damnit obesefish, this carps exist, WHY WE CANT HAVE EM!

[atomic void]

make it require actual aim and maybe not 1 shot everything

[tame lodge]

Becomes useless because it doesn't one shot everything

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[void dragon]

it still has godlike mobility, it would be fine

[silver patrol]

it's already balanced

[void dragon]

Explain with the heresy that is facts and logic

[silver patrol]

because i don't want it nerfed

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-gif-62870316450580206

[warm gulch]

Im working on curios i have 2 17% toughness should i get nore toughness or stamina

[void dragon]

Vet would want at least one hp one, from there it can take the others as toughness or take one stamina

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[gentle lake]

You doing good already.

More of either is good but health is also nice

[warm gulch]

I wish I had mods to test it

[glad bison]

Both. Deadshot builds really benefit from spare stamina while 3x toughness is a default recommendation partially due to the synergies with gold toughness. Health is also handy if you see it incase the meta shifts.

[wild vortex]

Do people unironically use Deadshit?

[glad bison]

I helps hit the 100% crit threshold for laspistol builds more consistently, but other than that it's pretty bad for current balance.

[steep flower]

Only usable for las pistols cause even while hip firing your acc is not dogshit & aiming can be done from time to time + semi auto & crit dmg of it makes you not tank your stamina too much = the benefit is worth the huge setback which is stamina drain while aiming & shooting

[glad bison]

It also has the natural synergy with Tunnel Vision and Duck and Dive. Laspistol can proc both fairly consistently. Helbore can do some of the same, but Plasma Gun outshines Helbore in too many of its niches.

[hollow ibex]

3 toughness is not a good idea generally

[glad bison]

That is why toughness is the default, but extra stamina can be useful if you block overly much, use Deadshot, or sprint inefficiently.

Definitely wouldn't run anymore than 1 +3 stanima

[hollow ibex]

it is not the default

the default is 1 hp/stam/toughness

alternatively, 2 toughness/1 hp

[unreal totem]

bolt pistol or plasma gun?

[hollow ibex]

bistol if you want a buff stick for frags

plasma if you want a strong but boring gun

[unreal totem]

as long as things die when I shoot

[hollow ibex]

plasma works then 👍

just remember to only use lmb

the charged shot is bad

[unreal totem]

hmm, too slow to shoot

the problem with bolt pistol is you can't spray as much

[glad bison]

You want bolter if spray is your desire

[hollow ibex]

spraying bolter's a good way to run out of ammo in 30 seconds

so be careful about it

[unreal totem]

yeah

[snow sonnet]

What does PA stand for when talking about melee combos?

[wild vortex]

Push attack

[snow sonnet]

so just push or?

[wild vortex]

When you push and keep holding the attack key, an attack follows the push

That is the push attack

[snow sonnet]

and for the power sword that would be a slash?

[wild vortex]

No, it's a high finesse stab

Assuming mk6

[snow sonnet]

man thats actually awkward

[hollow ibex]

PA for single target damage is pretty common tbh

shovel, knife, etc.

[snow sonnet]

thats just such a weird flow

[hollow ibex]

it's quite good on mk6 PS

because you can charge -> BC -> PA very quickly

[snow sonnet]

yeah but why is it so weird

could of just made it a simple left click shortly after

[wild vortex]

Idk who designs weapon movesets at FS but I will admit that many of them are quite interesting

[snow sonnet]

someone evil

[wild vortex]

Nah

I meant it in a positive way

A lot of weapons have diverse movesets to tackle all sorts of situations, rather than simply light spam for horde, heavy spam for single target

[snow sonnet]

does it add depth?

yeah

would i ever find this out on my own? no probably not

[wild vortex]

You would if you just read the pinned guide

[hollow ibex]

idr if they teach PA in the tutorial

[wild vortex]

-# also by experimenting in the Psykhanium

[snow sonnet]

uh well

in game guides are good

[slow sky]

thats the magic of tide games
theres always more useful stuff to learn
whether your 4 hours in or 4k hours in

[sly orchid]

hamdol should make a second quiz

https://klipy.com/gifs/dog-cute-67

[slow sky]

theres plenty of stuff the game should tell you but doesnt, but i dont think "heres how to use this weapon" is one of them

[wild vortex]

Do you know what's actually obscure? Ogryn mk3 cleaver single target combo

[sly orchid]

whats really obscure is stealth still working for daemonhosts

[snow sonnet]

do they even give you the info to see damage number in the game?

[dry cloak]

came in handy

yesterday

[sly orchid]

the psykarium

and using the ol nogging to remember hits taken

[wild vortex]

I mean, it's there in the weapons inspection sheet.. you can also test in psyk

[slow sky]

if you inspect a weapon, you can see the first target damage for every normal attack

and yeah the psyk is there to play with things

[hollow ibex]

though the stat card is often wrong...

[sly orchid]

except on thammer it doesnt show you how much damage is added by the special which is annoying

[slow sky]

is more important to go to the psyk anyway because you already need to get a feel for the weapon itself, how it swings, what chains into what, which is best learned by actually swinging it

[sly orchid]

i knew it took 2 swings from karsolas to kill a crusher

billhook pull into light overhead into heavy overhead

[snow sonnet]

i mean just without damage numbers and hp being shown it feels like more work

[slow sky]

the psyk shows healthbars, damage numbers, and dps on a kill

none of those are in an actual game because the game was intended to not show those in a real game

[snow sonnet]

okay people were saying getting a feel for stuff as if that wasnt there

[sly orchid]

the very best way to learn weapons is in the psykarium

[slow sky]

i mean both are important

how much damage your weapon does cant be properly gauged till you know how to use it right

[snow sonnet]

yeah so learning the optimal combos would be good there

[slow sky]

then youll be able to check how many hits of that combo it takes to kill X specific enemy

[snow sonnet]

yeah i personally just get stuff down in the actual gameplay

where there is pressure and its easier to build the memory

[sly orchid]

https://klipy.com/gifs/god-of-war-god-of-war-3

do all of these fuckass things to kill a crusher in 9 hits with taxe

[hollow ibex]

tbf

with taxe you could just light spam

[tidal fox]

the humble krak grenade

[snow sonnet]

I mean anyone starting out is probably just going to want to use whatever is simplest while they just focus on living

[sly orchid]

i basically only use taxe on vet so yeah

krak time

still waiting on that powerfist or power axe

[tidal fox]

veteran will always struggle with carapace if you dont focus on melee sadly

so might as well go all in on the ranged and spam krak

[tame lodge]

Shitactical axe

🗣️

[limpid ferry]

whats plasma guns minmax stat

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[tidal fox]

69 hehe

[void dragon]

honestly im starting to see that the DS isnt what is broken, but uncanny strike

that carp amps the damage of it to absurd when it already hits like a rashad

[slow sky]

cant it be both?

[void dragon]

it can be, but can we allow the posibility that is only one?

i feel that with rashad the Bromentum is patching a weakness when with uncanny on DS its amping a strenght too much

[slow sky]

you realize that 90% of what uncanny does is just letting the full damage of the hit come through right

you experiencing what the actual unchanged damage of the duelling sword with uncanny

yes uncanny is a problem because it ignores adms
but its that much of a problem on ds because ds does that much damage before adms

[void dragon]

its potential caparace damage probably should be much lower, yes

[slow sky]

but its not just that
it has higher innate adms against everything else, uncanny being nerfed affects them less
cuz its already closer to the true damage

yknow
the damage that is too much

[void dragon]

yeah, but i say this because the damned weapon hits basically as hard as rashad, and while highly considered a strong weapon its not as outrageous (if we dont factor all the other benefits of being stupidly mobile)

def could use an adjustment to reduce its damage, but uncanny is tossing that to sky high

[hearty panther]

it remains true that the DS4 could have its numbers cut in half and it would still be in the upper tiers of weapons

[void dragon]

my point is if that would be true if uncanny strike is not part of any of that math

maybe make it so any form of brittlenes or rending dont make it improve any more

[tame lodge]

I'm ngl

Uncanny not uncanny

[turbid ibex]

canny strike

[tame lodge]

You'd still be able to parry 1 shot 6k hp crushers

Just like in the clip I use

[sly orchid]

change all uncanny to the shiv version

[tame lodge]

Of course this is a vet thing

But still
No uncanny used

Just sheer finesse

I fucking love Precognition 🗣️

[void dragon]

funny, i can reach around 4109 damage with some good melee investment and similar FT stacks

maybe im missing some damage there but yeah its quite impressive counters

[wild vortex]

I feel like I'm hitting a wall bringing down my damage taken in Maelstroms

I don't struggle this hard on regular Aurics

but Maelstroms I keep eating a LOT of damage

probably a combination of average teammate quality + spawns and mods, given that my own skills (or lack thereof) are probably the same or similar

[ember halo]

Honestly, it’s usually a mix of bad decisions that get compounded by teammates not sticking together.

Everyone makes mistakes in game, but if you have a group that’s spread out/not sticking together, you have no one else to have your back

[hollow ibex]

which maelstroms tho?

maelstroms have a very wide variety in difficulty

[wild vortex]

Just kind of in general

I do the worst in pox gas naturally

Sometimes I'll go a good chunk of the map doing well, taking very little damage, and then I make one poor decision and it spirals rapidly

That's the other thing, I'm rarely able to recover / escape from bad calls

[tidal fox]

pox gas generally needs a good team that plays together well

and maelstroms are public so no comms occur you just have to play well enough to carry

or get carry-based builds

[wild vortex]

Yeah I mean, quality of teamates in normal aurics is better in general

I run into a lot more weirdos in maelstroms, and I'm nowhere near good enough to be a consistently strong teammate myself

Though at least I don't go into it with cooked shit

[hollow ibex]

oh you get plenty of shitters in auric too

people who aren't ready for maelstrom

so they just play auric

[tall torrent]

What are u getting hit by the most

[wild vortex]

Either I will be kiting a horde just fine and then suddenly get surrounded, or everything is going fine and then suddenly a wave of elites and specials overwhelms me. Or I find myself suddenly separated while killing some elites or specials and then get surrounded

I know all of it is mostly just awareness issue but I'm just finding it hard to prevent it

[tall torrent]

Check spawn doors

Specifically specialist spawn doors

[steel veldt]

Thoughts on mark 12 recon lasgun?

(The XII)

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

DOT stick

[steel veldt]

"It's ok" means there's better marks

?

[tall torrent]

It’s ok = it’s fine

I don’t play recon much cuz it’s boring

[tame lodge]

True

[steel veldt]

I love it tb

tbh

[tame lodge]

Yeah it's ok

[steel veldt]

I'll try Mark 6 C

it has way better accuracy and recoil control it seems

like it's an actual rifle than a glorified light machine gun

[tame lodge]

I like how two of them have the same sound as Scab Gunners shooting

But that's about it

[steel veldt]

oh really'

I never noticed tbbh

[warm gulch]

Plasma gun is good and reliable reload is slow and if you charge it up you can die idk if this is too late

[unreal totem]

yeah, I felt that plasma gun was too slow to spray

[hollow ibex]

you didn't dump charge rate did you?

by any chance

[unreal totem]

don't remember

but it wasn't upgraded to max

because I don't have full mastery

[ember halo]

Isn’t stats supposed to be like 71% charge rate and 69 something else, with the rest all being 80?

[hollow ibex]

69 thermal yeah

[hollow ibex]

that might be part of it

charge rate impacts lmb fire delay

[unreal totem]

I was mostly hip firing because it was faster than bracing

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's the right way

charged shots are bad

[warm gulch]

So thats why you use weapon specialist to push pack reload and get a specific stats to make it shoot a lil faster

[warm gulch]

Yes thats the way to use it

So you shoot faster and dont blow up

[turbid ibex]

Also guaranteed crit

[formal ice]

Isn't this guy just repeating what Sirosky is saying

[warm gulch]

Again i wasnt here the entire time so i might be late to this

[slow sky]

The correct way to use plasma is hold x to barter then go to brunts and purchase a double barrel

[gilded wraith]

Double Barrel requires a reaction time I no longer possess at my age.

[narrow frost]

based H40 party finder

[hearty panther]

theyre ready

[ember halo]

I feel maybe this is me as well. I’ve tired to make it work but I always biff my shots. Kill like 1 rager amongst a charging horde.

[wild vortex]

idk what you guys are talking about, I'm a 36 year old who just swaps to the gun, aims it in the general direction of the horde and fires

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[ember halo]

I’m in my 40’s. Not too old but I won’t lie, I’m not as quick on reaction times as I used to be

And i welded for a living, where hand the coordination is everything, and I’ve even noticed it a tiny bit there too. Cant stay young forever!!

[slow sky]

I keep forgetting that im one of the youngest regulars here

[wild vortex]

[slow sky]

I joined this server when I was 20

[wild vortex]

I can feel my bones crumbling just reading this

[slow sky]

Thats not really young as far as discord is concerned
But this server tends to be the exception

[distant plaza]

looks at veteran chat
feels old
fuckkk

[distant plaza]

life implies death
death implies life
i'm already living on borrowed time

https://tenor.com/view/die-hard-bruce-willis-john-mc-clane-smoke-smoking-gif-5000698

[tidal fox]

uncs making life feel more grim than it already is

[unreal nova]

It's a twitch shooter thing. I made one, couldn't really get the hang of it, made even worse by high ping swaps. Low ping just has me just triple barrel things anything because crit luck blep.

[slow spade]

it's because they removed box dreadnoughts

it's so over :c

[mild hill]

now you’re 42

[errant carbon]

2022 was 36 years ago

[faint beacon]

Hm.

I wonder what happened here

[slender elm]

Experience is earned in years

We're all vets

👴

[unreal nova]

Sometimes not, sometimes all you have is the knowledge of being one foot in the grave.

[slender elm]

Yeah

Being alive sucks

[latent star]

MattDamonOld.gif

[tidal fox]

fight, fall, get up, fight again

all for the emperor

until youre an unc and cant react to trapper audio cue then gg

[warm gulch]

Yeah its wraps there

[slender elm]

What happens to me is im stuck in and then trapper shoots while im waiting for dodge reset

[warm gulch]

That will do it

[slender elm]

Happens quite a lot

I just go too ham in nelee

Particularly on zealot cuz I only run 2h shit

Or my dodge gets body blocked by horde, which is about the same

[tidal fox]

the unc curse got to you bro im sorry

[slender elm]

Eh im 30

31 after april

Confirmed unc years

[warm gulch]

Sad

[slender elm]

Ah well at least I'll be able to get a proper pc because I'm employed™

[hollow ibex]

Affording a proper PC in this economy?

Woah look at Mr rich guy here

[slender elm]

i've been saving for months

and eating home cooked meals so i save more

[drowsy perch]

i feel like making food is normal

[slender elm]

in this economy, hell yeah

tho i cant really cook and my dad handles the rest

[unreal nova]

Joke is, buying cheap food is cheaper than cooking. $50 gets me 3-4 meals cooking myself and 10 meals eating rice with 2 veggies and 1 cheap meat.

Not even counting electricity+water used in the prep + cooking.

You can only argue it's healthier.

[drowsy perch]

i spend only like

200$ on food a month

[unreal nova]

And yes, I do get frozen stuff for most parts.

[drowsy perch]

granted i dont eat enough but i still eat

[unreal nova]

I eat instant half the month, more or less.

Simple, cheap, fills. Good enough.

[drowsy perch]

i just eat boxed mac and sourdough mostly

with protein bars and waffles

lots of waffles

i eat like 8 waffles a day

[unreal nova]

That's fancy.

[drowsy perch]

eh

i have a weird ass ocd/anxiety diet

nothing that expensive

[unreal nova]

Protein bars cost too much lul.

At least here.

[drowsy perch]

its like 20$ for a pack of like 15 that i get

which is slightly but definitely not bad

[unreal nova]

One tiny stick is easily $3-4.

[drowsy perch]

the price on clif bars is insane though

i used to eat them but like 12 bucks for 6 tiny ass bars

the bars are 100% like a third the size they were before

[unreal nova]

And yes, it would take like 5 bars/sticks to fill.

So, rather just more instant.

[unreal nova]

Dunno that brand. We have some soy protein one. I like the banana one but expensive so only have them on sale when they are 1 month before expiry.

[drowsy perch]

not american i assume?

[unreal nova]

Not.

[drowsy perch]

clif bars are just like the big brand protein bar

but they have been shrinkflating hardcore

[unreal nova]

I think that's all brands.

Even instant noodles seem less per cup than before.

[whole solstice]

I have tried so fucking hard to make the infantry lasgun good and I just can't do it

I can't find a genuinely good use case for the damn thing

it's just bad

I can use any one of my other builds on havoc and I'll be completely fine but any time I run an infantry lasgun build it's death in seconds

[unreal nova]

Just laspistol if you wanna inf las.

[whole solstice]

yeah I figured as much but I wanted to complete the cadian aesthetic

[unreal nova]

Ah. But yep. It's bad because the laspistol does it's job better with free added mobility.

[whole solstice]

swapped over to recon las and I suppose it does the job very much better but it's an aesthetic downgrade

[unreal nova]

I guess. Kinda thankful I mostly use pistols with melee of choice cos easy for the Commissar thing.

[slender elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hB19tHMS94

[silver patrol]

dawn of war 1 and 2 were full of such epic lines

a shame dawn of war 3 exists

[slender elm]

also funny upgrade line for the commissar

Guardsman:" We'll draw straws to see who brings it to him."

also fun fact about the competitive dow2 mod i play

they changed default commissar melee to a chainsword

because it was difficult to tell when he has his power sword upgrade

[silver patrol]

does he have a saber otherwise

[slender elm]

yeah

its somewhere between dueling sword and heavy sword

[plush current]

Helbore las with the crit blessing while ads, plus no ammo on crit for lasguns. I don't think I ever run out of ammo.

[silver patrol]

both laspistol and helbore generally do what the infantry las is trying (and failing) to do better

or god forbid, the vigilant autogun

[plush current]

Yeah I enjoy autogun, but it is not nearly as potent as it's las-counterparts.

[tall torrent]

Vig auto is top tier

[plush current]

Oh wait. I think I was confusing my autoguns. Vigilant is the marksman rifle. That one slaps.

I ran that with smokes and a knife. Felt like some sort of guerilla sniper.

[slate valve]

Im surprised there isn’t a power fist for the veteran

Super duper slow melee that packs a ton of damage

[silver patrol]

mhhh best i can do is a powered kitchen knife, sorreh

[tall torrent]

that usually doesn't feel good

[plush current]

I enjoy heavy weapon go thud, as much as fast weapon go slash

[slate valve]

Meh, the power fist from fallout is the same and it feels amazing

If they can make a humble lasgun feel good to shoot, they can make anything feel good to use

[hearty panther]

Yea like I keep running the thammer cause that was my first love in this game but damn

Slow weapons have already been powercreeped very hard. Or density creeped really.

Maybe they'll make one that has a crazy ass AoE special

Oh wait they did that's the force great sword

[plush current]

I like the indignatus crusher. Not huge damage but I can stop crusher and rager hordes and my team can clean em up with ease.

But as Vet I just run Helbore and headshot em

I need a las sniper. The helbore scratches the itch but only barely

[unreal nova]

I want fast lights but slow VISCERAL heavies that FISTS things for massive damage.

[opaque shoal]

Yo, are shotguns still underwhelming for veteran class? Besides like DB for boss nuking

[silver patrol]

DB isn't nuking any boss i don't think

no, they are valid

[plush current]

I run the 2nd mark shotgun. The one where the primary rounds are slugs and the special reload is a big buckshot round. I find it performs very well.

During chaff hordes you can mow them down with repeated use of the special ammo. It has a great feel to it.

[tame lodge]

The only bad shotgun is Accatran

DB is not even the best boss killing shotgun

[silver patrol]

is it even any good at boss killing

[dry cloak]

Db is best for horde deletion

Imo

[viscid sparrow]

melee is even better for that.

[silver patrol]

it really isn't

[dry cloak]

Inf cleave

With manstopper

[tame lodge]

You don't have infinite cleave on melee

💀

[hollow ibex]

Just play psyker. Are you stupid?

[tame lodge]

🤓 erm psyker doesn't have infinite cleave melee

As the Warp slash is considered ranged

🤓

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[plush current]

Sir this is #veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

Hey you just said infinite cleave on melee

[tame lodge]

Play Ogryn instead

Shield H2 is infinite

Shield

[plush current]

Lot of other class propaganda in my glorious Veteran channel lmao

[silver patrol]

it's also gently caressing the enemy tho

[desert viper]

skullcrusher:

[tame lodge]

You gotta abuse Skullcrusher with shield

[silver patrol]

H2 isn't doing anything with skullcrusher

[tame lodge]

It's applying to all targets hit

And considering the amount of cleave H2 has

[silver patrol]

well yeah but i dunno, just kill the chaff instead

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's what you're doing

[silver patrol]

like, i don't think 40% more damage on some chaff is really doing much

[tame lodge]

It's not 40

[desert viper]

if skullcrusher was only 1 40% stack it would not be that used on shield

💔

[silver patrol]

i mean it's 4 10% stacks, i don't think it still matters on chaff

[opaque shoal]

Oh mb, I thought I remembered seeing someone nuke a ogryn with it

[tame lodge]

Dawg

It goes up to 80%

It's 80% extra damage

[desert viper]

to each their own but idk I wouldn't undersell skullcrusher of all things

[silver patrol]

i don't think that really matters for the 2H

[tame lodge]

If you think extra 80% ain't doing shit

Idk what to tell you

[tame lodge]

What kind of Ogryn we talking?

[opaque shoal]

Plague

[tame lodge]

It's just that Zarona shotgun always had more unyielding damage

[opaque shoal]

I use a maxed recon lasgun normally, but I was thinking of using a SG to mix it up a bit and for fun

But I didn't want the restriction of DB cause I want to lay down some suppressive fire still

[hollow ibex]

DB fucks

but it's build specific

[opaque shoal]

Yeah I figured kinda

[tame lodge]

Unironically the Accatran shotgun is very effective at suppression

But it's also the worst shotgun

💀

[hollow ibex]

yeah true i'll admit it's quite good at suppression lol

[tall torrent]

all 3 combat shotguns are very effective at suppression

[hearty panther]

but the accatran is even MORE effective and does it with FIRE

[opaque shoal]

So Agripinaa and Zarona are both quite viable?

[hearty panther]

yea

[tame lodge]

Fair but
8 suppression on normal shot

15 on fire shot

Pretty up there

[hearty panther]

brautos are still my choice for suppression stick

[tame lodge]

And I forgot to run the .bat file again

[opaque shoal]

And melee Im guessing you'd recommend power sword and Dueling Saber?

[tame lodge]

Dueling Sword is good but I personally wouldn't recommend

Correction, it's extremely good

It just sucks at hordes so bring frags

Or bolter 3

Psword 6 is the best generalist melee in the game
But only when powered

[opaque shoal]

Or recon las lol

Lot of shooting

[hollow ibex]

repeat after me: recon las is not for horde clear

this needs to be in the vet tutorial

[opaque shoal]

I was using chainsword but I'll probably switch to my power sword, I feel like I'm nerfing myself

[opaque shoal]

Then what's it for huh

[hearty panther]

pewpew

[hollow ibex]

killing elites/specialists your melee can't kill immediately

[opaque shoal]

Why not both tho?

[hollow ibex]

because for horde clear you need cleave

[silver patrol]

ehrm hivescum desperado is that way

irrc the slowest one has 2 cleave

[hollow ibex]

otherwise you can't clear efficiently both in terms of time and ammo used

[silver patrol]

but it's also the slowest one

[hollow ibex]

3 and yeah that's prob the best mark for desperado at home

but most people run XII

[opaque shoal]

I was like the duel machine pistols look cool but eh I'll probably pass, now I've been wanting to buy it lol

[hollow ibex]

because haha brrrrrt

(which has shit cleave and the worst ammo econ)

[silver patrol]

they are right

i tried 3 and it was uhhhh

[opaque shoal]

The rocket launcher they have looked cool too

[tame lodge]

Yes

https://tenor.com/view/road-rage-flipping-off-arguing-rocket-launcher-viralhog-gif-14285007

[hollow ibex]

powercreep launcher 🔥

[quick seal]

what is the best laspistol for shock trooper? I assume maximizing crit (so I can reload less with shock trooper). I read the pinned guide but it doesn't really explain it that well. Which pistol to use? It says Accatran Mk II is preferable over the Kantrael Mk X but why? Does it have better crit/rate of fire? The guide talks about the stats and thresholds and breakpoints but it doesn't really explain the why.
What about the blessings? Dumdum is mandatory but the other blessing can either be Ghost or Infernus. Which is preferable in which scenario?

[tame lodge]

Mk2 is preferred over X because it has higher DPS

[ocean talon]

Can anyone give me some tips for the helbore?

I'm doin' alright with the mechanics of it - I can click heads ✅ - but I feel like I don't get to shoot the stuff I want to. (h40)

I want to go all high noon on the gunners and trappers, but almost the whole match I'm kiting a trio of endlessly respawning ragers. I want to help out the ogryn, but instead I'm sliding in circles while he gets turned into swiss cheese stuffed in a pair of fishnets.

[tame lodge]

Similar ammo economy
Similar specialist killing prowess
Similar elite killing prowess
It's just that Mk2 has higher DPS

ScabAteMyLegs is like the only player running mk10

Lol

[hearty panther]

MKX is also slightly clunkier since it doesn't have instant sprint to fire time like the II does

[quick seal]

Can you talk a bit about Ghost vs Infernus?
From my understanding, Infernus would be a better build for a crit-maximizing shock trooper build, since infernus directly scales with crits. Is my undersetanding correct?

[tame lodge]

Ghost makes you safer in shootouts while dumdum+Infernus is just higher dps, very useful against bosses as well

[quick seal]

I have always used shock trooper recon lasgun previously, but I recently downloaded skitarius so I am open to trying laspistol. I do not use laspistol normally since I hate repeatedly clicking, but hopefully skitarius alleviates that

[silver patrol]

doesn't mk10 also have worse ammo economy since each shot costs 3

[tame lodge]

Also with Executioners stance you can just face tank ranged damage

So ghost kinda unnecessary with stance

[hollow ibex]

it's a pretty efficient deadshot weapon

[plush current]

All depends on which Mark you use, ideally the best blessing is the one that generates critical while ads.
Running on the Mark 2 Helbore which is the heaviest hitting will provide that, stop and pop feel you like but requires some getting used too

Another thing to note is make sure you are getting the full charge on your shot. If you crit and hit the weak point on an enemy only a few things can tank more than one shot of that. Even less can tank the second.

[hollow ibex]

so that makes up for it

[tame lodge]

Get someone to pocket you

[plush current]

Ive never needed a pocket. Just side dodge on your shots. All g.

[tame lodge]

That being said it gets better if someone pockets you

[quick seal]

MK 2 is the faster-firing one, so ideally you would also stack more infernus stacks than having a mk 10 with infernus, right? Is my understanding correct in this manner?

[plush current]

Have a good chaff clear melee. Either of the power weapons work.

[tame lodge]

Woops

Not shooting

Because melee

Just stay near the inferno psyker

[ocean talon]

Oh I'm solid on using the weapon, I mean I'm struggling with getting the space to use it without needing to swap to melee.

[tame lodge]

But then you can't see shit because Inferno

[plush current]

When I run Helbore I am often quite a few steps behind everyone. You end up being in the backline.

[ocean talon]

Should that fix it? I've asked for melee cover before but the responses give the impression that I shouldn't be asking for it.

[plush current]

Keep in mind your always dodging melee from chaff, but managing when to have the rifle is fine. Plus handy bayonet

[tame lodge]

It should since you won't need to swap to melee often

[ocean talon]

Sure - same, but what do I do if ragers walk through the frontline more often than not?

[plush current]

Well ideally I'm lucky with my exe stance and catch them before they've gotten close. If not just drop a nade at your toes and back dodge.

Shoot em while they are getting back up.

I personally run the refreshing grenade perk, so I always have at least one handy when I need it.

[quick seal]

I’m reading the pinned guide and it says that stability is the least needed stat, and would be the best dump stat

[dry cloak]

Mk3 bolter is fun

[quick seal]

Can anyone explain further? Is it that the laspistol is already inherently stable, so it doesn’t need more stability? Or is there something else I’m missing.

I’d like my understanding to be accurate before I spend all my ordo dockets rolling for a 60%

[silver patrol]

lasweapons have generally no recoil at all

except

the fucking infantry las

[past peak]

They say its for gameplay purposes but with how it is now I think they need to KILL the recoil for gameplay purposes!

Make it slightly stronger than the recon still but

[viscid sparrow]

I dump stabibility on laspistol so that the spread is not too small for me to play with (I tend to somehow miss with 80 stab laspistol because I accidentally aimed off by a few pixels...)

[gilded wraith]

I think Scabsatemylegs made use of the slower fire rate for sustained Deadshot/Shock Trooper. His build was very ammo efficiency focused.

[hollow ibex]

it just doesn't matter too much

[quick seal]

Ahh ok

[quick seal]

How’s dead shot’s effectiveness on the mk 2?

[hollow ibex]

laspis?

not good

[gilded wraith]

Fires to fast.

[hollow ibex]

you drain stam too quickly

[quick seal]

Ohhh okay

[gilded wraith]

I'm hoping deadshot has some value with a reworked infantry las, but I was also hoping they'd rework the talent during the vet "rework".

It's incredibly punitive for what it provides compared to similar Hive Scum talents.

[silver patrol]

you'll get neither the talent nor the infantry las rework, i'm afraid

[gilded wraith]

Sad but true.

HS and Psyker just have significantly better crit ٪ mechanics.

Though I do love Reciprocity.

[hearty snow]

how do i get 80x gunner resistance??

[turbid ibex]

-20% gunner damage

[hearty snow]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-gif-15321953

[turbid ibex]

theyre the same yes

[errant carbon]

Wording it as "x80% gunner resistance" makes it sound like you're reducing your resistance by 20%

[turbid ibex]

no?

[slate valve]

You’re multiplying the resistance

Not lowering it

[silver patrol]

but you are not multiplying the resistance by 80%

it's badly worded and i dunno why whoever wrote that didn't just write +20% gunner resistance

[slate valve]

This is true

[lean rune]

i rolled a combat shotgun and spent 20 minutes in the meat grinder shooting slugs

sounds so nice

[slate valve]

Fuck yeah

That’s what I did when I got my first chainsword

[dry cloak]

Remember. You dont have to spam special shot

But remeber it exists

[lean rune]

i must spam slugs

it makes the best noise ingame

[silver patrol]

nah

[lean rune]

and everything that os in one shot is my favorite

[silver patrol]

exterminator shotgun

[lean rune]

havent rolled that one yet :D

[silver patrol]

it's arbites only

[lean rune]

ah

[plush current]

Depending on what they reveal the next class to be I will probably grab arbites

[fading yarrow]

Frens. Recon las or plasma for a Kasrkin build?

Tried to give the infantry las a whirl again because of how good Old Faithful looks, but it just feels underpowered on Damnation+

[dry cloak]

both

[dry cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ycvDJKLAw try this for ilas

[whole solstice]

I have both as of last night and am more than happy to share

[fading yarrow]

Thank ye

[fading yarrow]

And thank ye too, I'd be glad for them

[whole solstice]

tested the recon las out last night on havoc/damnation and it held its own in pretty much every category from boss damage to special targeting to horde clear. I use the same power sword on every vet build since I haven't found anything more reliable for close range defense and quickly shutting down carapace or unyielding enemies. All you really have to do is hold down the trigger and keep your crosshair over as many weakspots as you can and use shout when available. It essentially is the closest thing you can get to a hotshot lasgun

[void dragon]

i think Reginald was thinking on changing the knife for the falchion, just to have a faster horde clear weapon

i recall that he noticed that to control swarms all time you cant rely on frags, better to use kraks to cover the lasgun weakness vs caparace than vs swarms

[desert viper]

this is The Vet Build say a couple missed nodes

[dry cloak]

heavy sword solves this

[void dragon]

how much investment does Hsword needs? i know its quite good but idk how good actually

[whole solstice]

damn too many images the bot doesn't like that

oh well

[hollow ibex]

a lot of this isn't meta tbh

[whole solstice]

I wouldn't know I kinda just sat in the meatgrinder and figured out what works

[desert viper]

ur not far off at all

dw

[dense belfry]

How do I make this better?

[whole solstice]

meta is for losers tbh I play this game to have fun not to complete some arbitrary penance

[dry cloak]

literally none

just the weapon its self

[whole solstice]

not to throw shade on other peoples playstyle but going for meta has always been extremely boring for me

[hollow ibex]

ok. let me rephrase. there are a lot of suboptimal choices.

i can provide feedback if you want

[whole solstice]

that is a much better way of phrasing it and makes me feel more open to what you have to say

[desert viper]

I think if the build you're doing to shoot recon lasgun at its best

it should have superiority complex and bring it down

[dense belfry]

Recon lasgun is very good with crits.

[desert viper]

yeah it is

[hollow ibex]

i felt like saying suboptimal is ruder lol

[unreal nova]

Purely for ammo efficiency imo.

[whole solstice]

I wouldn't be offended by that tbh

[dense belfry]

Don't forget, more shots = more boss damage.

[desert viper]

u can stack 12 fire dots in 3 crits then build ur base damage to melt any bum loser left alive from so much dot

[void dragon]

we all at some point do suboptimal choices, some of us do them on purpose

[unreal nova]

The, one thing is a sin and crime to one and others seeing it as normal thing.

[hollow ibex]

not going to comment on the build because i g2g soon, but a few things on the weapons

• recon las runs dumdum instead of HH
• psword runs sunder instead of slaught, and usually caraunyielding

[dense belfry]

Combate axe and infantry autogun, lol.

Anyways. How do I make chainsword better?

[unreal nova]

True. But all in all, it's to not need to ammo gobbo your way super hard.

[void dragon]

step1: take the chain axe

[desert viper]

I don't use shock trooper anymore cus it's so far down the tree I'd rather just make do with survivalist

[whole solstice]

I sacrificed superiority complex for exhilirating takedown and found it was better for survivability when dealing with loads of gunners

[desert viper]

in my honest opinion stacking confirmed kill and takedown has not really done much for me

[dense belfry]

No. I'm saving money for ogryn.

That, and it doesn't answer my question.

[unreal nova]

You can take both if you dump onslaught or so.

[desert viper]

dumping onslaught on recon when u plan to spam it is not good I thinks

[unreal nova]

I can't check build atm.

[whole solstice]

onslaught is keystone-adjacent

[unreal nova]

Just woke up so...

[unreal nova]

Recon can skip keystones.

[desert viper]

ur better off keeping it to melt crusher hp faster

with ur build set up your recon does good base damage on top of dot

[whole solstice]

do I bother with wep specialist keystone at all then or is it pointless

because I can see why having it would be redundant

[desert viper]

for ur melee I'd keep it but also fire rate stacking is good on recon

[unreal nova]

It's that funny gun that can skip if you really need points.

[desert viper]

shoot faster = shoot harder

[void dragon]

feel that onslaug with a pocket chainsword with bleed on special is a good way to use it, you have a ok weapon vs swarms that can bleed for make use of the brittleness

issue is idk why take that over the chainaxe

[whole solstice]

while this is true I've found the firerate increase is kinda negligible tbh

[unreal nova]

Heck, I run a slightly modified ver for Vraks and it works fine on like damns and aurics.

[desert viper]

if u find it negligible then ur totally better of taking out WS for sup complex

[whole solstice]

alternatively I could swap it out for the +25 toughness boost to bring me up to 202 and grab bring it down

[unreal nova]

Keystoneless, even paths silly things like bigger clip.

[desert viper]

bring it down makes boss killing and ogryn melting insanely easy

u should grab bring it down if you can

[whole solstice]

the base damage to elites will ultimately be negligible with how much it already does

[dense belfry]

I just want to use the chainsword, man. All I ask is blessings and stuff to make it better.

[desert viper]

imma be fr the one ur using is Blue

level up it's mastery first

so u can like

actually use it

[unreal nova]

It's more important if you plan to havoc with it.

[dense belfry]

I have. I'm looking for advice before I spend my money.

I used to main it before I got bullied into using the sword that destroys your stick click.

[desert viper]

I always do shred and wrath

can do rampage instead of one or the other but

chainsword blessings are very basic

[unreal nova]

Or just play with it or a minmax roll one and not upgrade or slowly upgrade. XP per run is still a thing.

[desert viper]

for perks I do Cara unyielding or flak if I feel particularly iffy on crowd clearing

I do the green mark

blue one fucking irks me

[unreal nova]

No back button? And really, use whatever melee below late havocs.

Heck, I won't judge if you wanna ds with it even.

[desert viper]

also change ur layout for ur controller to have the special action on your Left Bumper

having it on stick click kills your sticks lifespan like hell

[unreal nova]

No. Left bumper for dodge is important.

[dense belfry]

Don't have any paddles to reach them with.

[desert viper]

it ain't

u can comfortably do circle if ur kn ps5

but stick click wears out your stick like shit

and you'll get drift

[dense belfry]

If i had it my way, left stick would be dodge and A would be sprint (Xbox controller)

[unreal nova]

Sadly then tbh.

[desert viper]

if ur ok with spending like 40$ every so month cus ur character keeps drifting sideways or upwards then ya keep it on stick click but I wouldn't

it's like comfort at the end of the day ig

[unreal nova]

It is. But I do have a third party with paddles. And will reccomend getting a G7 whatever or Kaleid that is xbox compatible instead of another OG Xbox controller. Half the price, 2 back paddles.

[dense belfry]

If i do need to replace this one, i'm getting one that uses magnets for the stick.

Specifically meant to combat drift.

[desert viper]

back paddles r good too ya

[desert viper]

magnets for the stick are super important you should totally get that

[unreal nova]

TMR sticks are pretty nice.

[dense belfry]

I could also buy that for my controller too. My version didn't come with them.

[dense belfry]

Sarcasm?

[desert viper]

no I'm genoune

geniune

[dense belfry]

Ah, thanks.

[desert viper]

magnet sticks are good for drift reduction

[steel veldt]

I really gotta learn Exe Stance

[narrow frost]

nothing to learn about it really

press F and play the game

[unreal nova]

Willing to go third party? Lower price but honestly better long run.

[narrow frost]

its like gaze on psyker

[steel veldt]

I am really bad at it

[narrow frost]

just spam it

[dense belfry]

My deadzones are so small that i naturally drift on right stick, but it's not egregiously bad, so i can cope.

[steel veldt]

I spam it dw

I still suck with ti

[unreal nova]

I broke my left bumper before the sticks even drifted.

_>

[steel veldt]

easier with VoC or Infiltrate

[desert viper]

i always get dogwater drift on my right stick because of my slide being stick click

[unreal nova]

Too much dodging.

[dense belfry]

I've saved money for when it happens. Buried some stuff in a secure location.

[desert viper]

but it's either slide, or power button

and I fucking

hate

power sword

for needing so much power activation

broke my 1st controller with awful drift purely because I had to run it

[dense belfry]

Did the same on my last controller. It's so annoying that Idk how to repair it.

[unreal nova]

Yeah, will really reccomend you look up compatible third party with paddles. More value for durability.

[dense belfry]

My controller's been pretty durable considering i use the sticks to jump and crouch all the time in games. (titanfall made me do it)

[unreal nova]

I'm just planning to replace when it refuses to work tbh. Then again, it lasted like 5 years so no real complains.

[dense belfry]

Idk if i'll need to replace it soon. Xbox cooked with this one.

[steel veldt]

Only big E can explain why I took no damage

[unreal nova]

5 years of aboose is big with how I kill OG Xbox in like 1 week to 3 months.

[desert viper]

stronger than you in the big 2026

the world is healing

[steel veldt]

I don't know why I am listening to it

but I randomly got the urge

[narrow frost]

edge bug on the roof

[unreal nova]

Eh... you got lucky then. I had stick drift within a week with my last OG Xbox controller.

[dense belfry]

The forces of cringe and cringeless are finally at balance. Now death doesn't need to go to the well of souls and sacrifice the nephilim to save us.

[steel veldt]

If only I could pull that shit off in Source games

[dense belfry]

Og?

[unreal nova]

No. As in, original Xbox X/S.

There are many clones on the market.

[dense belfry]

Burned through 3 of those since 2021.

It's a bloody shame how difficult they are to repair.

[unreal nova]

I gave up after 3 in a year.

[desert viper]

my childhood whimsy was ruined by people who couldn't let me have fun

now I can't laugh at a joke without aggressively oppressing it through my nose

[unreal nova]

They are also $90-$140 each.

[dense belfry]

Fun cringe or toxic-cringe?

[dense belfry]

❗

[unreal nova]

More than twice that T4Kaleid I got for $55 that out lasted them.

Avg price.

[tidal fox]

oppressing? take that to #arbites-class smh

[unreal nova]

Yeah... They are expensive here...

[toxic reef]

I've worn out a lot of xbox controllers

now I've moved on to playstation ones instead

[unreal nova]

Dislike the layout imo.

[toxic reef]

I've gotten used to it, even tho I used xbox layout for uh

at least 12 years or so

[unreal nova]

Is just how it is. Just annoying. Worse are the older ones with that 0 ergonomics shaped thing.

Pain to even hold on to.

[toxic reef]

it mostly just coincided with me getting a ps5 and my xbox controller was broken

so I just switched for pc controller

[unreal nova]

I mean, my current is more switch pro shaped with xbox buttons. XD

[toxic reef]

I think I had an xbox 1 pro or something

it did last a long time

yeah it was this

[unreal nova]

Too expensive if it were like an elite tbh.

Those cost as much as the console on sale.

[toxic reef]

Microsoft Xbox Elite Wireless Controller Series 2

ye but I had already spent a lot over the years on xbox controllers that I wore out playing warframe

[unreal nova]

Heh. And DT kills dodge button.

[dense belfry]

Those hurt my thumbs to use. It's uncomfy for my giant ass hands.

[toxic reef]

I also have big hands, or well long fingers, and I haven't had issues

[unreal nova]

I think controllers are just personal taste. Some feel better and others feel off... I know some feel too small.

[toxic reef]

yeah I get the too small

[unreal nova]

Is like mouses. XD I still find the G502hero too light.

[whole solstice]

3 and a half second beast of nurgle kill

nearly 100k total boss damage throughout one of my matches

I need a full squad of kasrkin troops...

[hearty snow]

how the fuck do i survive auric

what weapons are made to just keep moving and killing

[whole solstice]

what kind of build do you want

@hearty snow

[wild vortex]

the unfortunate but accurate answer is simply practice. It functionally doesn't have much to do with your weapons.

[toxic reef]

you might have to train your basics more if you die a lot

[narrow frost]

its usually 90% skill 10% weapon/talents

imo

[toxic reef]

ye def

[void dragon]

what does the Ch.Sword bring over the Ch.Axe? is it just better dodge count?

[hearty snow]

ideally keep moving and killing really

ik its like voice of command and weapon specialist in general

[whole solstice]

knife with recon lasgun then

[hearty snow]

how can a knife survive in auric

[whole solstice]

[toxic reef]

what's the focus on keep moving, are you lagging behind or

[hearty snow]

i can barely survive with one in heresy

[turbid ibex]

stabbing

[wild vortex]

knife is very good but idk if I'd recommend it to someone who's struggling with survival in auric, given its horde clear

[whole solstice]

that's what the recon lasgun would be for

[wild vortex]

...

[wild vortex]

check the pinned guide

it has a bunch of builds at the bottom end of the Veteran section

[hearty snow]

not really but sometimes i keep moving too much and can't hold on my own until the others arrive

[wild vortex]

also the introductory part has a lot of information on game mechanics that will teach you a lot

[hearty snow]

i already use thse builds

[toxic reef]

I think you just have to train your fundamentals more

and maybe not move ahead too much

if that's what's getting you killed

[wild vortex]

yeah just practice then

[toxic reef]

get comfortable dodging, pushing, blocking, positioning yourself well

like if you really want to push yourself you can always try not to use abilities that often

just getting by with your gun and melee

[wild vortex]

#veteran-class message

this and his next message

[toxic reef]

I want to like chain axe

but it sticks so much

[agile yew]

For basic survival id suggest keybinding dodgeslides somewhere easy and spamming em and learning to push and pushattack (if suited to situation)

[wild vortex]

chaxe goes so hard on scum

[toxic reef]

ye ik, I've tried the build

[void dragon]

neat, so for horde clearing the Chsword is really solid, thanks for this info

[unreal nova]

It's literally all it can do. Has been like that since forever. Pure hordes, good. Mixed hordes falls off. Armoured, worthless.

[void dragon]

yeah compared to chaxe the damage to anything with armor is quite abysmal, even with rev active

[unreal nova]

You are better off krak spam or running an armoured delete gun.

Than trying to c.sword armoured lul.

[void dragon]

trying to do the funny and make the chsword run on a onslaught build just so it can stack bleed on top of the fire of a recon

[wild vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/rsx4-gif-21328683

[turbid ibex]

onslaught doesnt work with each rev tick btw just so you know

[unreal nova]

At that point I rather just take knoife. At least the crusher will actually die.

[turbid ibex]

theyre all part of the same hit

[void dragon]

funny stuff: the crushers are actually dying

[void dragon]

im taking the chsword to stack the bleeding with the blessing, just one poke for 16 stacks

[quick seal]

is there a big damage difference between frag grenade (normal grenade without any talents) and the shredder frag grenade/krak grenade?

if the talentless grenade is at least ~70 percent as effective as the talent grenades, It would make a pretty good argument for saving a talent point..? I just dont' know how good the default grenade is, it's been a while since I played without grenade talents

[distant plaza]

...so you want to spend a couple points in the tree, then not go any further down to remain with the talentless frag grenade?

[unreal nova]

You know that would invalidate your talent tree, RIGHT?

You need to pick a 'nade.

[void dragon]

Veteran is basically its grenades (also ammo dispenser, but grenadier first)

[slate valve]

I’m a simple man, I like sticky anti tank grenades

Thermites in helldivers, krak in darktide

[frigid kite]

sooo

Helbore Lasgun

why does it feel so bad?

[turbid ibex]

personal preference

its really strong

also requires building quite a bit around it

[quick seal]

oh, i didn't know it didn't let you queue up a game without a grenade

Oh, I see the little ❗ in the corner now

[unreal nova]

It basically forces the last valid build you had on it.

So you would have whatever 'nade then.

[void dragon]

optics not ideal, the concept of releasing to shot is odd, single target sniper can be overhelmed when no one else is giving cover so its team dependant.

first 2 can be bypassed by mods, but the last one will need some coordination with team to help you

[crimson mica]

Doesn't lore accurate chainsword suppose to go through carapace armor? Update: Nope. Wife just laughed at me (she collects minis).

[unreal nova]

You mean, read codex for numbers?

[unreal nova]

It rips flesh, but from what I know, armour will likely ruin a chain weapon.

[crimson mica]

She played the tabletop

[unreal nova]

Thus, knows numbers from codex.

Unless you mean TTRPG.

[crimson mica]

I'm still surprised that plasma pistols didn't make it to the game.

[last marten]

when do we get boomerangs

[unreal nova]

Most are, but then again, how would you balance it with how busted the full one is?

[silver patrol]

the same way you balance the bolt pistol

[unreal nova]

Basically only meh because of a totally a feature blessing.

Yeah, that's not really balancing. Just smaller but far worse.

[latent star]

The headshot aim is off a bit and takes a while to get used to. The weapon can be very strong but you need to build around it and it helps if the entire team plays around it too.

[unreal nova]

Thing is, when it's randoms, expecting them to play around you is like a joke.

[crimson mica]

Yeah, but every now and then you get that one cracked team with amazing synergy that even lets you do your business. Hm... now I'm sad again...

[slow sky]

Mostly just a mix of dev priorities and whether gw said no or not

Everyone involved in weapons design has been pretty busy for a long time

[unreal nova]

True, dream games can happen, but as with any random gatcha system... Luck of the draw.

With players being the gacha and friends list being like borrowing your friend's chars.

Usually their best or their favs.

[frigid kite]

My friends just want to do shit

I can't even convince my ogryn buddy he should be defending ME while I disarm on Hivescum

[silver patrol]

what do you mean disarm

[frigid kite]

The switches

With tye puzzles

[unreal nova]

Minigames.

[unreal nova]

Sounds like pubs with extra steps.

[sly orchid]

👀

[slow sky]

thats not a foreshadowing of anything

they literally just dropped 2 classes all with their own weapons

[tame lodge]

Damn

Not a single good weapon

🥀

[sly orchid]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ishowspeed-speed-reaction

[thorn lark]

👀

[brave fractal]

Anyone got a decent all rounder class for the shotgun?

[dry cloak]

best class for shotguns is arbitrator

[brave fractal]

Thought as much

Well time to invest

[dry cloak]

STOP RIGHT THERE

if you meant build

then vet can provide you with alot

[dry cloak]

.

[brave fractal]

Yeah build wise

[dry cloak]

depends on what you want from a shotgun

in this game they work differently than other videogames

[brave fractal]

Just something more viable for higher difficulties, I’ve got a build for auric and havocs with the helbore lasgun

Just wanna use a shotgun

[dry cloak]

then take your helbore build

disable shocktrooper

and take agrippina combat shotty

with flak maniac

and full bore and no respite

use special shot from time to time

have fun

and second thing about combat shotguns

dont ads when shooting hordes

and as always go to psyk to mess around with it first

[brave fractal]

Roger cheers mate

[fair shale]

Eh

Depends on what you want

Vet does more damage

Arb has more safety

[half glade]

What does caxe Rashad's alt attack even do? Seems completely useless to me. Has that irritating delay before it's thrown, hard to aim, damage is crap - and the stagger effect it promises isn't noticeable

[dry cloak]

not worth using