veteran-class

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carrell-anchorman-where-did-you-get-a-hand-grenade-will-ferrell-brick-gif-8210807

[midnight galleon]

get trinkets with exp LUL

[midnight galleon]

Unironically a great fucking sequence

best part of both of those movies

[forest lagoon]

Love an anchorman reference

[unreal nova]

Ganger ruins any weapon lul. Like, try rampage combat axe or so. Then GL playing it on any other class.

[empty heart]

am leveling up, and veteran is so weak against crushers and other armor

got destroyed at the final step in recent match, all bots

[fair shale]

The kraks and power sword in question

[slow spade]

Yeah get kraks asap

Power sword unlocks pretty late but is also a good tool

[mental barn]

I am using the XII recon lasgun with onslaught and with enough ammo perks to use it as a main. I think it is very fun to use and is certainly playable in Auric. I still prefer to use krak grenades vs crushers when I have nades, but it feels super fun to have one weapon that can deal with literally everything semi-reliably.I don’t know about the viability of this Havoc.

[hollow ibex]

shooting crushers is generally a pretty bad idea outside of meme builds

[fair shale]

If you really want to shoot crushers I'd ES MMF bolter

[void dragon]

What melee you folks like to pair with the plasma gun?

[fair shale]

Shovel, for personal taste

Power Sword if you want The Default Vet Melee

[void dragon]

Nah, too ammo hungry, revolver is more efficient

[hollow ibex]

helbore imo

[warm gulch]

power falcion

[void dragon]

Isn't that combo of Psword to slow?

[fair shale]

Yeah those are also options

[fair shale]

Wdym by too slow?

I run one motion on most vet builds

[void dragon]

Mobility with both Psword and plasma would be quite sluggish because stamina cost and sprit speed aren't great, not to mention dodge distance and speed

[formal hamlet]

I was running taxe with my helbore, but I assume duelling sword is still godlike on veteran? Might be a better choice for mobility and dealing with carapace when my kraks aren’t available.

[warm gulch]

thats why u run powr falcon

[fair shale]

I mean my first answer was shovel

[formal hamlet]

Relatively slow, yes. But very very strong.

[slow spade]

Power sword relies more on pushing to make space

[fair shale]

Or just swinging

[slow spade]

Just push -> charge -> swing

[fair shale]

Cause it's power sword

[void dragon]

I think taxe is better for helbore since it can cut swarms with ease while being safe, DS is more single target and Helbore already covers that

[slow spade]

Indeed, even the basic attack can still kill

Though it is rather lackluster lol

[formal hamlet]

Plasma / power sword is my “time to get sweaty in havoc” load out basically.

[void dragon]

I do like that, but wanted to know your experience on the Password combo

[fair shale]

My experience with PS is that the lack of mobility doesn't matter when it kills everything it touches

Sometimes 11 of those things at once

Crusher? 2 shot

Mixed horde? Swung on

[formal hamlet]

Only real downside to power sword is I want to grab trench fighter for it in talent tree.

[slow spade]

I personally find trench fighter unnecessary with psword

I don't see a notable difference compared to say Rashad

[formal hamlet]

It’s not mandatory but it is a notable improvement to its performance I find.

[slow spade]

I do like to push/block instead to buy time so maybe it's a playstyle difference

[sonic kayak]

It's why I've basically taken to the PSword, my main build does not have Trench Fighter and the PSword really doesn't feel that different without it

[slow spade]

Yeah PSword biggest strength for builds is it needs little investment to shine

[sonic kayak]

I can feel the difference yes, and without it, not drastic enough for me to yearn for it

[formal hamlet]

I wouldn’t say that’s its biggest strength but it doesn’t need much to get going no.

[slow spade]

I meant more when designing your build

[formal hamlet]

But neither does other melees like taxe, DS and such.

[slow spade]

As you can safely pick up the +15% melee node and the +30% weakspot talent and be fine with psword

That's probably about all it really needs 🤔

[hollow ibex]

Psword does great even with no melee investment

It’s just that strong

Obviously gets ridiculous when you do invest in it though

[slow spade]

Indeed, helps that a lot of melee buffing talents tend to also boost ranged

[hollow ibex]

skirmisher my beloved

[wild vortex]

I really should learn to use psword

By the time i found out about the block cancel tech i was already in love with Rashad

So never bothered to learn it

[distant plaza]

The last time I tried PS I got dumpstered in Heresy 😭
It’s so different from…most other vet melee, feels obscenely clunky to use and horrid mobility

[void dragon]

It has some trade offs, but even then it's push attack stab does so absurd levels of damage

On top of staggering ragers out of their combos

[slow spade]

Get power cycler or it's ass

[steady copper]

Would Recon Lasgun be more efficient damage wise than plasma gun in havoc pus-hardened skin modifier because of the DoT damage? Or barely no difference?

[formal ice]

Plasma gun can penetrate carapace

Recon can't unless you take nodes on the veteran tree

[lunar maple]

You think we’ll get a plasma pistol ever?

[slow spade]

no they hate us

[steady copper]

Is this specific in the context fighting pus-hardened skin? Cause fighting gunners that doesnt go down in one headshot from plasma puts a detriment in ammo economy on higher havoc.

[formal ice]

Can't you charge the plasma

[tall torrent]

no, it can't

[tall torrent]

just matter of getting used to it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1471030156847218719/74DA0B1.MP4?ex=698d7317&is=698c2197&hm=eed6cc4f99efcd4324f09f8ee00cfc1d5cd0e879166a90ec0a557acd70bf8b7d&

[formal ice]

Wdym

[tall torrent]

it cannot cleave through carapace, just like most attacks in this game

[formal ice]

I said penetrate

Not cleave

[tall torrent]

what's that supposed to mean

ADM?

[tall torrent]

it's not even good at killing carapace

[formal ice]

I didn't even said anything about it being good at killing carapace

[tall torrent]

Then u said about as much as nothing lol

[formal ice]

Yeah I said it penetrates carapace

Just that

You are just making up words from my mouth

[lean rune]

how do you deal with a rager when they dont get staggered by the first attack? accept you will take damage and just keep trading blows? or do you need to block until they are finished or something?

[last marten]

Blame the veteran

Uhm... Piss HP please

[formal ice]

Block and let your teammates kill it

Unless you aren't around your teammates

Then you just block, let him end his attacks, then attack

[wild vortex]

Dodge to the side and attack

Ragers are bad at cornering

Also a lot of push attacks and heavies can stagger them out of their combo, some specials too

[left garden]

I completely forgot to ask this. What mark of powersword is better? 3 or 6?

[turbid ibex]

6

[left garden]

and why? if I can ask?

[turbid ibex]

PA stab

[hollow ibex]

Better in every metric

[hollow ibex]

This

Horde clear is light spam

[hollow ibex]

Which has more damage output

Can block cancel for faster activation

And yah sprint cost

The only thing that mk3 has is charge while sprinting but you can do the same with mk6 while sliding soooo

[left garden]

fair enough

oh and unrelated, but what counts as 'armored enemies' for the armorbane penance?

[slow spade]

it even has a cheaper block for some reason

rip mk3

[wild vortex]

Carapace enemies

Crusher, Mauler, Scab Rager, I think maybe even Scab Shotgunner / Gunner? Not sure about the last 2

[hollow ibex]

I think path confirmed this isn’t the case

It’s just better sprint cost

For whatever reason

[slow spade]

oh weird

I very much remember that being in one of the patch notes

though that was a while ago

[thorn lark]

25% hidden block eff iirc

[slow spade]

yeah that's what I recall too

but that was over a year ago

specifically when the mk6 was added

[unreal nova]

Anything with flak, if you get that funni inf flak chaff wave on mortis... lul.

Also obviously anything cara.

Yes, you totally can lethal prox a horde of scab chaff or those blue fkak armoured guys and get credits.

[analog yacht]

@tall torrent are you just manually copying damage, finesse values etc. from the code or do you have a mod/script to dump them? I've been wanting to make a breakpoint calculator ala the old v2 one

[tall torrent]

Most of the values are lerp (which can have separate parameter modifiers), the numbers are calculated after lerp

Also I didn’t list crit_mod for any attack because it gets quite complex (affects ADM)

The numbers I list are meant to be a general reference

I think @short vapor was working on a breakpoint calculator?

[analog yacht]

the old v2 one was so good but it stopped getting updated. Largest barrier for me would be dumping all the values I think

[tall torrent]

The biggest barrier would be checking if things actually are right

Which is why mine is taking a while to update everything

[analog yacht]

for context: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n8fq0MF6xvZlwSSM__O6N8mEsgHbPKbrBWA8NJOSPx8/edit

[tall torrent]

I will say tho

Stagger breakpoint is way easier to calculate

Far fewer modifiers for impact

[analog yacht]

yeah for sure, especially by hand

[tall torrent]

Just power_level, power_level_multiplier lerp, impact base value, impact bonus and strength bonus

[analog yacht]

but the damage equation is so complex that automating it would be ideal

[tall torrent]

I wrote 3 Java programs just for calculating lerp

[analog yacht]

[tall torrent]

Because there’re different lerp parameters

Most of the time it’s like
0.25min + 0.75max = new min
0.75max + 0.25min = new max

[short vapor]

have to deal with stagger types tho which can be annoying

[tall torrent]

But there’re outliers (among outliers (among outliers))

[short vapor]

ya

[analog yacht]

this game's mechanics are so complex under the hood

[short vapor]

Do you have any understanding of datamining Darktide? Creating a calculator capable of parsing Darktide's weapons and their intricacies can be a bit technical. Should you have any questions feel free to lmk, I or other people can help out.

[analog yacht]

like in v2 spread was just a cone where your bullets could go

[tall torrent]

My brain has wired itself into automatically calculating damage lerp

I see {100, 200} and my brain automatically returns 165 at this point

{80, 160} and my brain auto returns 132

[analog yacht]

but in this game there's actually lerp fuctions for how far your bullet can land from the previous bullet etc.

[tall torrent]

And then FS does some wack power_level_multiplier baked into the attack then I gotta lerp that

[analog yacht]

and there's per shot spread modifiers which can get kinda weird for some guns where your 2nd shot actually has less spread than the first

so yeah I can imagine damage is equally weird

[tall torrent]

You should see the combat shotgun section in my guide

I spent 4 hours on that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

And if that’s not enough, look at Chainaxe and Chainsword

I hate chain weapons with a genuine passion at this point

[analog yacht]

the most interesting thing about shotgun spread to me is that the horizontal ones are actually placing the pellets on concentric rings

[tall torrent]

Only fatshark could code 4 different cleave distributed atk/impact profiles for an attack with 0.001 cleave

[analog yacht]

but with no_rng=True or whatever

so they are always on the 0 and 180 degree points of the circles

[tall torrent]

Also shotguns actually check which pellets hit which body hitzones then calculate damage separately

There’s a reason this game so CPU bottlenecked

If they actually smooth out the code it probably could be way better

[tall torrent]

And I’m pretty sure those numbers might still be inaccurate

For the latch & rip attacks’ ADM and finesse

But I can’t be asked to check that again

Holy fuck they’re atrocious

Doing Chainsword for 2 days straight genuinely burnt me out

Idk how I’ll approach eviscerator cuz Chainsword was genuinely stretching character limit in steam guide sections

[short vapor]

Sticky attacks are pretty chill for manual calculating.

[forest lagoon]

Average Brunt's armoury moment

[analog yacht]

I don't have experience with like, mass data extraction. When making my mods I had to understand how the code worked etc. so I'm less concerned about figuring out the damage functions as opposed to extracting everything into a parse-able format

like I feel pretty confident in saying that outside of anyone on the dev team I understand the spread/crosshair code in darktide better than anyone else

[tame lodge]

[short vapor]

If you don't have it already this is the weapon template folder https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/tree/master/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates. Turning that code into something readable by a calculator is the difficult part, not because of the complexity of the damage system, but rather because of the edge cases. I've had success with python that counts how many curly brackets a variable is nested in to pair that with damage templates and each target on an attack.

[analog yacht]

I've had success with python that counts how many curly brackets a variable is nested in
I see

at that point I wonder if it'd be better to write a mod that dumps things

[tall torrent]

Someone should gaslight fatshark into making the in game damage inspect table good (and include all the attacks)

[short vapor]

ADMs become the annoying part, as they can be:

1. a table referenced by the damage template
2. a table inside the damage template
3. a table inside each target of a damage template
   with iirc a few in-between cases. So outputting non-lua (like a CSV or smth) needs to account for all those cases, which leads to needing a lot of variables listed for each target, which leads to bloat.

best route afaik is a site like wartide and just making the site parse json extracted from lua

[tall torrent]

Also crit_mod

[short vapor]

if you get ADMs crit mod isn't an issue

[tall torrent]

Imma just wait for one of you two to get a calculator working so I can reference it

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-vro-mei-jQIzBnyfvCXHCjwTYy

[analog yacht]

maybe I'll see if I can fix the in-game table instead lol

(copium)

[left garden]

say what's a good mark for the reconlas?

[turbid ibex]

the c one

[orchid hemlock]

The see one

[left garden]

and how much better is it then the mk2?

[left garden]

so why is the C one the best? Like I tried to look at the guide but the weapon names don't seem to match up at all

[wild vortex]

Isn't as slow and clunky to wield as XII, isn't as slow to fire as the other

Idk about ADMs and shit one of the nerds here will help there, this is just pure feels

[left garden]

the mk2 slow and clunky to weild? It's the highest firerate weapon of the bunch ain't it?

[wild vortex]

Wait what mk2

There's XII and XIV

XII is fastest fire rate but it's clunky

XIV is slowest fire rate which feels kinda shit especially because it doesn't feel like the damage makes up for it

VIc is the perfect mix

[left garden]

well when I think mk2 I'm thinking of the fastest firing one.

then there's the one that shoots twice per buttonpress

and the last one which I don't know what's special about

[wild vortex]

Maybe you should just read the guide then

[left garden]

the survival guide right?

[wild vortex]

Bath's guide, in the pins

[left garden]

the most recent pin then?

[narrow frost]

yeah

honestly we should clean vet chat pins

all but top 2 are outdated

@timid otter

Are you planning on updating your guide in pins?

[timid otter]

no

Its very old and outdated

[narrow frost]

Are you fine if its removed?

[timid otter]

yeah it was awhile ago

[narrow frost]

sake of reducing clutter

[timid otter]

I think i made some mistakes in the general guide construction

Most interseting part was mostly discovering how weapons worked over different ranges.

[narrow frost]

@potent iris When you get the time, could you go over vet class pins like we did zealot?

[narrow frost]

path does talk about this in his guide

most recent pin

inverse damage falloff was interesting to read

@sharp ember Are you keeping the document in the pins updated?

I'm getting the document is deleted message

[left garden]

wait reverse damage falloff, what now?

[timid otter]

certain weapons deal higher damage over longer ranges rather then lower damage

[narrow frost]

certain weapons deal more the further away

the only 1 I can remember is las rifle iirc

[left garden]

huh

[narrow frost]

[tall torrent]

look at ranged weapons' attacks' ADM values

some attacks have higher ADM further away than up close

[left garden]

interesting. Also what does ADM mean? I only skimmed the guide

[tall torrent]

armor damage modifier

I do recommend u read through the intro sections (all)

all the way up to "base stats of classes"

[left garden]

I will when I'm not actively in matches and if I remember.

[tough nova]

Ilas right?

[calm shard]

and helbore

[wild vortex]

btw could you share your build from yesterday, wanna give it a shot trying to learn psword

[tall torrent]

u can play VoC if u want

[tall torrent]

there're several others

[wild vortex]

huh, interesting setup. No I do wanna try ES + WS it looked very cool when spectating you. Dunno if I'll necessarily use Zarona though

[tall torrent]

it's just vet default build but with always prepared and ammo

[copper viper]

Why no longlas or hotshot las weapons for veteran?

[red portal]

ask gw and fatshark

[void dragon]

because MorbidlyobeseShrimp are COWARDS!

[tame lodge]

I don't know

[copper viper]

Real helpful discord thanks guys

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-moana-youre-welcome-maui-dance-gif-15810606

[mystic pilot]

I mean that's it really. Fat Shark haven't said if we're getting hotshot/longlas or not. Definitely not longlas as most of the maps doesn't conduct well to it

[latent star]

It would probably be difficult to find a place for the helbore and recon lasguns while also having hotshot and longlas weapons (and recon is already pretty bad and helbore is pretty niche).

[austere mica]

I wouldn't exactly call helbore niche when its as good as it is

[potent iris]

Sure, just gimme a list of stuff to swap out and I'll get to it as I can

[narrow frost]

Okay, will do in a few min

[static crypt]

what's the best melee to pair with recon?

dueling sword?

[latent star]

Depends on build but I think recon is overall just kinda bad so if you are comitted to using it you probably want a strong and flexible melee weapon to compensate.

[narrow frost]

#veteran-class message Author says its outdated and is not updating
#veteran-class message Deleted file + no response from author
#veteran-class message Outdated Plasma gun data
#veteran-class message No idea what this is
#veteran-class message Outdated/info in kuli guide
#veteran-class message Dead threads?
#veteran-class message info in Path/Kuli guide
#veteran-class message No idea
#veteran-class message Outdated/in path guide
#veteran-class message Outdated/in path guide
#veteran-class message Outdated since name change for guns

@potent iris

idc for the 2 memes

and I think the penance video still works

[static crypt]

thats a shame

looked real cool in the yt videos

[latent star]

They will probably ride again someday when buffed in a patch.

If you really want to use them you'd probably be doing a WS build with onslaught to take advantage of the brittleness so maybe a tac axe or knife to go with the WS build?

Dueling sword is also fine but everyone is sick of it so you will never get it recommended.

[hollow ibex]

Almost never the answer

[latent star]

and TBH despite the dueling sword being nuts I kinda suspect knife is just better on vet thanks to their talent options.

[turbid ibex]

Power sword

[static crypt]

hate the power sword

[turbid ibex]

Dueling sword is dogshit on vet

[static crypt]

power sword feels like shit to move with

[latent star]

it is very slow

that's the cost of a sword-shaped nuclear bomb.

[tall torrent]

works

just know what ur using it for

[latent star]

tac axe is super strong on vet IMO and really fun if you want something different.

get the +10% AS node and the +15% from WS and you can pretend you're hive scum.

[hollow ibex]

Taxe or Rashad if you don’t like PS

[static crypt]

rashad?

[latent star]

shock maul is also pretty good although functions very differently than the other weapons being discussed

[hollow ibex]

Combat axe

Smaul is fine, just very mid

[latent star]

I'd put it a bit higher than mid but I do think it depends what you're using it for. Its a nice way to access skullcrusher on a weapon with really good stagger and decent anti-armor.

Kinda slow and horde clear is also just OK though.

also really funny into shields if you need that for captain clearing in Havoc

[tame lodge]

Rashad Axe then

[slow sky]

Taxe

[orchid hemlock]

The biggest problem is that it does piss damage to bosses 😔

It also needs to waste a blessing for hammerblow to cc ragers

[hollow ibex]

I hate melees with ass unyielding damage

Also can’t do shit against rager spam

[wild vortex]

Mk1 shovel

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[sharp ember]

Sorry, they're outdated as hell, they even predate the weapon marks renaming update. I'm surprised mods still had them pinned

[narrow frost]

all good

its not really their job

its the community

I just got reminded to check them

[mystic pilot]

I am in the 40K Club now

[rich aurora]

Hell yea

I wonder if this will be a new penance for kill count

[potent iris]

it has been done

[narrow frost]

Thank you

Whats been keeping you busy?

moving?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-brick-meme-break-explode-gif-13868715770986833670

[tame lodge]

This ugly son of a karker

Is shooting super hot Crits

[short vapor]

I cannot believe you just got a darcy post unpinned

Actual history just poofed

[narrow frost]

I didnt know

wasnt my time

[short vapor]

smh

and it's not like it can be re-pinned since aquila would need to unpin everything to put it back where it was

[tame lodge]

[short vapor]

Truly inspirational knowledge from a time long gone

[fair shale]

Seeing a Darcy post is like getting flashbanged

[short vapor]

such a catalogue of the most incorrect batshit info ever

[narrow frost]

oh wait

exhil

[short vapor]

but with so much experience and time put into said opinions

[narrow frost]

darcy is still here

they jsut stay in scum chat

[fair shale]

Yeah

[short vapor]

she on an alt or smth?

[narrow frost]

alt

[fair shale]

Yeah

[short vapor]

surprised she was let back tbh

[fair shale]

You can tell by their typing mannerisms and low tier bait opinions

[short vapor]

darcy was a landmark of veteran history though so regardless of the returnal it's still a pickaxe blow to the monument of veteran chat lore

[turbid ibex]

who?

[tame lodge]

It's ok to burn Alexandria every now and then

[fair shale]

Y1 vet chat user who is either the dumbest person alive or a ragebaiter and probably both

[turbid ibex]

what was the post

[fair shale]

Notable for phrases such as "syndrome people"

[short vapor]

post flaming queen, another classic darktide server user

[fair shale]

Dont all of these people hang out in the modding discord now

[short vapor]

iirc modding server weeds out people that take refuge there if the behavior continues so idk about anymore, was the case like 1-2 years ago though

[fair shale]

Tbf you gotta be on some horseshit regularly to get banned from here so

[wild vortex]

Cat?

[narrow frost]

ye

[wild vortex]

insane that I have almost no context and got it in one go

[quick shell]

Dumbest person alive or so intelligent they see things nobody else does

[frozen crown]

does Chink In Their Armor apply to vet as a whole or just for ranged attacks?

[hollow ibex]

vet as a whole

[tall torrent]

global rending

[frozen crown]

sick

ty

[drowsy perch]

is suppression immunity or ranged attack immunity better

ghost or BTE

i feel like ghost is better

[hollow ibex]

vet has innate suppression immunity

[tall torrent]

suppression immunity is irrelevant for veteran since that's baked in as a class iconic

[drowsy perch]

neat

[faint beacon]

Global rending but you tend to get more uptime off of Rending Strikes seeing its general static buff thats always up

[drowsy perch]

this is my current shovel

should i replace unarmored bonus?

i feel like it helps a lot with hordes

atleast in auric+

also despite penetration being kinda ass the special mode doesnt seem to care

even without it it seems to pen pretty well

might be cause uncanny is carrying it

[hollow ibex]

yeah uncanny is saving your ass here

[drowsy perch]

FUYCK

AGURAGHGHR

fatshark REALLY gotta add a confirmation when you click delete on a subclass

i always fucking click it by accident because i think its confirm

[unreal nova]

Oh, THAT. Is actually more annoying to delete on controller so... lul.

[steep pier]

Finally put down tac axe to try combat axe

It's really nice

[latent star]

I haven't used the Caxe since near release, what's it good for now?

[austere mica]

The exact same thing

Being a really good generalist

[latent star]

any mark excel above the others?

[austere mica]

Rashad

The other two might as well not exist

Brutal momentum headtaker flak cara

Or whatever it says in the pinned guide

[tall torrent]

unarmored

[austere mica]

Thought they didn't need it

Or is it everyone else but vet that can not take it

[latent star]

is brutal momentum mostly for the effective cleave?

[blazing jetty]

Practically unlimited cleave against fodder if you line their heads up

[latent star]

Yeah that's what I figured, probably why you do unarmored too.

Messing around with a veteran tank / support build and trying out different melee weapons to see what I like most for it.

[drowsy perch]

actually yknmow what they should give vet

a 2 handed shovel

or just a 1 handed long shoivel

[spice osprey]

is it me or is veteran pretty squishy

compared to other classes, i feel like i get cut down WAAAAY more by like a singular gunner

[red portal]

your survivability is iron will then iron will with a bit of iron will

easy to say your toughness barely goes down until it's under 75% and you're suddenly dying in 0.1 seceonds

close order drill is 33% tdr but its not pulling much weight when iron will is gone.

[spice osprey]

so its not just me

i guess its cus im used to more aggressive playstyles and i should be doing more long range stuff cus its a sharpshooter class lol

[hollow ibex]

yeah vet's the squishiest class overall

if you account for HIV's insane dodges

ogryn is a tank

arbi is a mini ogryn

zealot is a mini ogryn

psyker has a bunch of always-on damage reduction

[dry cloak]

shouty is shouty

[hollow ibex]

hiv can dodge his way across the map, and tank

[tall torrent]

wat build are u using

[spice osprey]

this lasgun build i found on gameslantern

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffb5fd9-655c-4fef-86af-187952d06cfb/lasgun-veteran-current

[tall torrent]

vet is a hybrid combat class

[tall torrent]

this is not horrible but it can be improved

[spice osprey]

any tips? i was thinking about replacing the laspistol with an infantry las or something else

[tall torrent]

Both weapons are super high mobility so idk how you’re struggling with surviving, think I’d need to watch u play to have a better idea

[drowsy perch]

hey check out my cool knife

[slender elm]

Cool, does it come in eversor

[pseudo fiber]

Exe with revolver? That's interesting

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[pseudo fiber]

Should be agripinna for that real vet power spike SMH my head

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1471430842017648671/image.png?ex=698ee842&is=698d96c2&hm=d9f160b24bdfdb4c5d81d3f3ed4e3e376ec52c362caf3f9c96295400354940dc&

Its fucking real

[latent star]

IMO Marksman's Focus is basically made for a laspistol and better than focus target for the build. Desperado for +crit since Infernus is kind of mid on a laspistol Consider adding exhilirating takedown for substantial toughness recovery and deadshot to get close to 100% crit with buffs up.

Also if you're using a combat blade without the free bleed talent that seems like a real waste (and I wouldn't use a combat knife with a laspistol in this build since you are already lacking horde clear).

power sword would be a nice pick, you're super mobile with a pistol so you can afford to take a slow melee weapon.

[gentle lake]

What's ur build

[tall torrent]

can play VoC if u want

[tall torrent]

we're so back

[gentle lake]

Voice of poop

I don't think i like it as much anymore

Exec stance is addictive

[pseudo fiber]

I'll be copping when I'm home from work

In uhhhh 8 fucking hours lmfao

[idle carbon]

about fraggin' time

[lyric path]

whats real bud?

[pseudo fiber]

The green cadian armour

Been in the files for 3 years

[lyric path]

https://tenor.com/view/neat-thats-neat-futurama-bender-fry-gif-13837870

helmet nice but the rest of the armor.....yikes

[formal hamlet]

What's peril FX intensity?

Is that the bollocks when your life is really low and next down is basically gonna instant kill you so your screen looks like shit?

[tall torrent]

On screen visual effect that scales based on how much peril u have as psyker

[formal hamlet]

Oh okay.

I'm trying to see if there's a way in options to disable windows key in the game because sometimes I hit it while sprint sliding and windows quick assist pops up to ruin my day.

[drowsy perch]

u could rebind crouch

i have mine set to c because i cant use a or d if im w+shift+ctrl

[primal zealot]

i have crouch on my mouse

[thorn lark]

@tall torrent ma boi

I can wear the helmet now

[slender elm]

I'm alive

[heavy rover]

My god they did it. They finally dropped it

[formal hamlet]

Hive scum vacuums up all ammo, goes AFK and gets killed, team wastes energy trying to rez him only for him to die since he's AFK, I push across trenches and team goes opposite way, I push back to meet up with them realising I hate humanity, team goes opposite way as I reach them. We all wipe. Faith in humanity remains minimal.

Playing ranged hvs and not running pickpocket is a fucking war crime.

[dry tundra]

instantly bought the cosmetic

because why not

[formal hamlet]

I picked that up today as well for my recon lasgun build.

[dry tundra]

What's some good weapons to level mastery with

in auric

And is viable later on?

[heavy rover]

Helbore

[pseudo fiber]

Double barrel

[tame lodge]

All of them

Except brauto

But still all of them

[dry tundra]

lmao

ok

i think I'll just make mr Guide WIP's guide

and follow the ones I have weapon wise

[thorn lark]

exec brauto enjoyers in shambles

[unreal nova]

If you enjoy bots ksing you, sure.

[hollow warren]

lol so FS actually removed the red visor from the free helmet. guess it was added by mistake after all

[half path]

would have loved if the under garments where khaki

so you could use all the other cadian legs with it

like the robotic ones and the more armored ones

[south river]

Yes, it was too large for the model so probably assigned by mistake

[formal hamlet]

Hm, recon las and taxe, for blitz kraks are best choice here right since I'm weakest in anti armour?

[pseudo fiber]

Yup

[formal hamlet]

Man, meeting people in this server's voice channels is truly an "adventure". A lot of salt.

Lotsa people banging their heads against Havok runs.

[pseudo fiber]

I mean it's a crazy place that's what the crazies play

[formal hamlet]

I tend to find if I'm in VC with people I get much less salty.

[south river]

I've had people join VC channels during games and just start yapping at the 4 of us

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I try to keep my yapping out of mission.

[south river]

Like, randoms not even in the mission or team lmao

Have had to mute people rather than be their captive fucking audience for yapping

[calm shard]

my fury is not for others to hear

[midnight galleon]

got to admit I've met some annoying people in vc for these games lol

"im trying for a penance can anyone help me?"
"Sure!"
Gets high

Okay.

[mint kiln]

how do i use plasma gun and how should i build it

[midnight galleon]

thanks for the help bud

[unreal nova]

Then you get ppl joining and gaslighting you or being like, "but I waited 20 mins and you guys aren't playing havoc?" Even when we said we were playing heresy or damns depending on if we get a mission in a min or no from quickplay.

[tame lodge]

Never M2

[mint kiln]

really?

[tame lodge]

Yes

The tradeoff of Charged shots is just not worth it

[unreal nova]

Why risk going down when quick shot is like charging for a little with 0 risks?

[mint kiln]

M2 increases dmg but also increases heat right?

[tame lodge]

And ammo consumption

So M2 consumes more ammo, has less dps than just spamming M1 and can blow up

[unreal nova]

Also, going down or dying means you do 0 damage.

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah
You'll never blow up with M1

[calm shard]

also doesn't really kill things that M1 doesn't

[tame lodge]

Once it reaches 100% heat it'll just auto vent

A bit

[unreal nova]

Can get you into trouble if not paying attention, but not as bad as Boom.

[short vapor]

mm the raw aura of only using the big shots, never blowing up, and taking all the ammo is enlightening though

[tame lodge]

Gets Hot and Power Blast combo is not real

[latent star]

IMO it's ok to M2 for your guaranteed WS crit if you need the damage but M1 spam is the correct answer 99% of the time.

[rancid egret]

Guys get your Cadian drip!

Veteran finally playable

[unreal nova]

You missed the Acolytes then.

Bonus getting the red commissar hat.

[grim karma]

after so many years we finally have a (semi) real guardsman fps where you get to play as a cadian

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-meme-crying-cadian-gif-8988822220365892092

thank you fartshart

[void dragon]

finally! my non cadian Veteran can steal some armor from the boys that cry over an ex-planet

[tall torrent]

I found smth funny

the new cadian helmet's visor actually is semi-transluscent after a certain distance (can see eyes)

[void dragon]

man who goes around noticing such things? you folks are eagle eyed or im a mole

[tall torrent]

I was just checking for glitches

the cadian heavy armor actually has a bunch of glitches

[prisma vale]

I'm impressed by the OG doom graphics

[tall torrent]

the pic I sent?

[prisma vale]

Aye

I just joined 3 mins ago 😂

[tall torrent]

no lol that's actually medium ish settings 1440p

discord + steam compression kinda ruins it

[mint kiln]

which blessings are good for plasma gun?

[void dragon]

And here I am using the lowest settings

[prisma vale]

I got gets hot and rising heat

[void dragon]

check the pinned guide, there are the blessings for generalist and a magdump version of the gun (not like anyone would have a second plasmagun, anyone saying they do are liars)

[pseudo fiber]

LOD models? Capcom could never

[wild vortex]

Has anyone ever told you how disorienting your FOV settings are

[tall torrent]

yes

blame fatshark

most games don't do fisheye fov

[wild vortex]

It's like the FTL travel effect from Mass Effect

[tame lodge]

Really funny seeing it without a Lasgun

[south river]

that's his special shovel he uses to carry around bits of Cadia

[prisma vale]

Is bolter viable for Veteran? I'm just finished plasma mastery and I'm looking to move on to levelling another weapon

[wild vortex]

It's like one of the strongest weapons

[tame lodge]

The rule of thumb is that if it is a ranged weapon it is viable for veteran

[turbid ibex]

brauto

[unreal bone]

it took them 4 years but

it's finally out

[tame lodge]

Still viable for vet

Definitely not the best option though

[unreal bone]

Guh bro..

The monkey's paw curls..

they added the kasrkin set but changed the colors

It used to be able to match with the heavy legs..

now it doesn't

[heavy rover]

Close enough imo

[unreal bone]

Nah bro it's noticeable different and it's annoying because like, why change it.

If they changed the cloth color to be like lore accurate to how kasrkin look then okay I'd get it.

That's not how they look, they changed it for no reason. The only possible reason I could think of (And this is just crazy posting) is that they wanted people to buy the whole set and not just the chest so they made it not match with anything but the set

[dry tundra]

uh is 80% gunner resistance exist or does that mean 20%?

[wild vortex]

man which Cadian set should I buy

the default or the stealth

[heavy rover]

Yes

[wild vortex]

I can't buy both

[tall torrent]

it's 20% (which is calculated as x80%)

[dry tundra]

alright

[dry tundra]

I do default because I'm a basic bitch

[tall torrent]

prob new
unless u rly like the black aesthetic and run full set (it's very hard to pair that set with other cosmetics and look good)

[wild vortex]

I got the green and for the black I only got the body armor

which I am pairing with other stuff

I think is ok

[tall torrent]

try the penance helmets

[dry tundra]

I don't think there's any helmets that work good with the black armor

[tall torrent]

m53rd

[dry tundra]

Unless there's one in the commodore's vestures

[tall torrent]

and the penance track one with rebreather

[dry tundra]

Oh yeah

Isn't that too dark tho?

[tall torrent]

no

[wild vortex]

don't have. Ideally I'd like to use Havoc one but lol, lmao even

[tall torrent]

there's 1 helmet from penance track that looks good

[dry tundra]

The rebreather one?

[tall torrent]

this one

[dry tundra]

yeah

[tall torrent]

I think it's like top 5 best vet helmets in the game tbh

[dry tundra]

There's that one and the krieghelm one

[wild vortex]

oh I have that one

yeah could use that, will swap it when I login next

[tall torrent]

I think it looks gud

[dry tundra]

Ok yeah that's pretty good

[tall torrent]

my main gripe with the cadian heavy armor is that it has a bunch of glitches in first person with a lot of melee weapons' attacks

[dry tundra]

aww really?

that sucks

I already bought it too

I hope they make a more basic cadian armor set

[tall torrent]

it depends on which weapon

I reported it months ago and no fix lolol

[dry tundra]

is there a picture or video of it?

[dapper coyote]

Just got a severe case of stupid teammates in darktide

Suddenly mag dumping a DH for no particular reason

KO to Heat, Dies to DH pulls his soul

Nice, nice one dude

Truly the emperor's finest there

[formal hamlet]

@tall torrent why is shovel and knife recommended for slayer build over options like taxe / power sword?

[dapper coyote]

Knife is very powerful, shovel is safety

[narrow frost]

Uncanny

[dapper coyote]

Agile, can kill carapace quickly, can kill single targets pretty damn quickly, good against hordes, armored or not

Uncanny is just based

[tall torrent]

uncanny strike op

[latent star]

TAxe is pretty good on a slayer -type build too IMO but yeah uncanny is nuts and shovel knife solves problems.

also attack speed makes power sword feel pretty good with +25% attack speed but I don't think its really worth it compared to +25% attack speed on a knife.

[formal hamlet]

Makes sense, someone using the slayer build was asking me and I actually wasn't sure why.

[obtuse elm]

Top 5 weapons for vet rn?

[distant plaza]

Inb4 Powah Soard numbah one

[mystic pilot]

melee only or ranged only or both?

[obtuse elm]

Both

I mostly prefer ranged tho

[void dragon]

Question: what's the rashad special attack supposed to do?

[tame lodge]

Stagger

[tame lodge]

Power Sword
Rashad Axe
Tactical Axe (low investment build)

Then Knife and Dueling Sword fight for the scraps

[void dragon]

It staggers? Odd, I swear I tried it and don't recall it staggering, will have to give it another try

[tame lodge]

Then for Ranged Helbore and Plasma fight for number 1

There's a lot of contenders for the other places

Bolter is good

Vraks5 is good

Shotguns are good (except Accatran)

Vigilants are good

Recons are good but I wouldn't place it on second

Or third

[unreal nova]

Where Vraks?

Oh you called it weird.

Why vraks 5?

Mark?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/paragwontbms-emo-cow-opium-trade-gif-17845403357302272870

[unreal nova]

Honestly, recons be like, you wanna play vet into pus skin but don't wanna play frag 'nade spammer.

[tame lodge]

Because Vraks 2 is a brauto

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[tame lodge]

And I think the Vigis USED to be called Vraks as well

[hollow ibex]

Honestly I forget that exists

[unreal nova]

I had trauma from someone being like, (br)auto gun gud... then he reeeeeeeeeeee at bots stealing all his plasma gunner kills.

[tame lodge]

Relatable

[unreal nova]

While I'l trying to stop myself from shooting.

[tame lodge]

When it comes to talking about Brautos it's either Agri8 or Graia4

Never Vraks 2

[silver patrol]

when it comes to talking about Brautos i beg you to reconsider

[unreal nova]

You mean, just use any of the other inf auto marks.

[tame lodge]

I'm a big Graia 4 enjoyer

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[tame lodge]

Oh that's from 2024

💀

Probably the last time I used Brauto

💀

[lime pendant]

does the power falchion not count towards the penance of "master your tools"?

[unreal nova]

If it doesn't, Fatshark Fatsharked.

[lime pendant]

because I just solo ripped through a heresy mission with it, and the penance didn't move. I used it almost exclusively.

[silver patrol]

it's kinda crazy that the iag vraks has better damage than the fastest brauto

and the fastest brauto doesn't even shoot as fast the iag vraks unless you brace it

[hollow ibex]

Brauto moment

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure IAG Vraks have the highest DPS of all guns.

[silver patrol]

it does

[unreal nova]

Assuming inf ammo.

[silver patrol]

well i dunno all guns

definitely of the autoguns

[unreal nova]

And close range.

[lime pendant]

i thought shredder pistol was highest DPS?

[silver patrol]

lol

[serene bough]

A long long time ago maybe

[silver patrol]

like 3 years ago

[serene bough]

SAP pinning fire + blaze away meta

Those were dark days

[lime pendant]

Fair enough.

[silver patrol]

you can still live them if you hop on hivescum

[serene bough]

I would just use double uzi on scum if not then the vraks5

[silver patrol]

you should try the shredder there

it could surprise you

definitely the one that feels the best

[serene bough]

I dont think i want to tbh, what's the benefit of using it

[tame lodge]

You know
Maybe that's true if you only count Maniacs

[silver patrol]

it has a satisfying hit sound

more accurate than DAP and with more stagger

[serene bough]

Well if I wanted accuracy id use vraks imo

[silver patrol]

try shooting that thing for 2 seconds and then come back to talk about its accuracy

[serene bough]

Dual uzi if I want to shut off brain and full auto everything

[unreal nova]

Vraks is better damage, lower accuracy spray imo. Dual autos with run and gun is pretty tight still.

[silver patrol]

shredder has much better accuracy than both

[serene bough]

Vraks5 has proper ADS im sure its more accurate than shredder

[silver patrol]

you'd think

but you would be wrong

it quickly gathers insane bloom

[serene bough]

Im gonna need a side by side comparison

Im away from my computer for a few weeks

[tall torrent]

Autogun doesn’t have bloom in ADS iirc

[silver patrol]

i don't know if it's really bloom, but the ads just lies at some point

[unreal nova]

Just kicks way harder than the dual autos.

[serene bough]

What we really need is dual vraks5

[unreal nova]

Especially on controller.

[silver patrol]

even if you keep the kick steady, the shot doesn't go where the reticle is at some amount of recoil

[unreal nova]

Would be fun watching bosses die.

[serene bough]

What distance are we talking about anyways

[unreal nova]

If scum, likely close to mid.

[silver patrol]

around that

well at long range, shredder still has better accuracy

and prob better damage falloff considering how bad the vraks is at that

[wild vortex]

Played my first match with psword, ended up taking 1.3k damage

Insanely strong weapon though, just need to get used to the clunk

[tall torrent]

Gotta remember to push

[hollow ibex]

Push like you’re giving birth!

🫃

[tame lodge]

Screaming while doing it is not optional

[wild vortex]

Think I may swap the accompanying weapon to agri shotgun instead of Zarona

[left garden]

say is agile engagement actually good? Like, I know it's a lot of damage but like, it feels as if it's duration is just too short to really make use of it most of the time to me

[tall torrent]

S+ tier talent

[hybrid plover]

It's good if you're running a setup that makes good use of both your melee weapon and ranged weapon.

It is pretty much the hybrid vet talent other than the actual Weapon Specialist keystone.

[unreal nova]

If you doing WS, S+ tier, if you heavy focus on gunning elites/special with the occasional stabs, lower tier.

[latent star]

Its very good unless you just aren't swapping weapons very often (and most vet builds swap weapons pretty often).

I'd skip it on bolter and helbore builds most of the time (not necessarily always) but its really good and if your build has space for it you should usually take it.

[left garden]

I mean, I thought I was swapping weapons plenty (although I do enjoy my reconlas a bit more then my powersword), and I get plenty of use of the keystone

but the 6sec duration just seems so short

[silver patrol]

6s is a long duration

[wild vortex]

You can use uptime mod to track what usage you're getting out of it

[latent star]

its also 6 seconds when you usually need it the most.

[silver patrol]

most of these buffs would be for like 3s

[latent star]

if you're swapping weapons in combat its usually because you need your other weapon to do some work

[left garden]

that's also true.

[tall torrent]

it's not short when ur killing a lot of things in melee

[latent star]

like swapping to melee for urgent horder claer or a quick swap to ranged to kill a specialist

[unreal nova]

Or out of ammo but no space to reload.

[left garden]

for me that'd generally mean swapping from las to melee cause the horde got too close.

[silver patrol]

considering the horde density and the special/elite numbers in high difficulties, 6s might be even overkill

[latent star]

I'm not a huge recon lasgun fan but it does love to eat every +dmg buff it can find because when you're shooting 500 (light) bullets into an enemy you don't need to worry about breakpoints.

[left garden]

I like the lasgun cause it's a comfy weapon and can work with plenty of stuff. I will try out a hellbore eventually though I'm just... scraping the diamantine together to make it work xD

[latent star]

Use what you like its a game to have fun.

[tall torrent]

agile engagement is best for melee/ranged hybrid (which is usually the best vet build)
if u play more ranged dedicated then it's not as high priority as skirmisher or exploit weakness

[latent star]

You're also probably already headed towards Onslaught with a recon build so its free real estate.

[wild vortex]

What

Onslaught is kinda shit

[latent star]

its good on a recon build.

(recon isn't very good though IMO)

[wild vortex]

1. It is not
2. Recon is good

[latent star]

Good talk.

[wild vortex]

Recon has dogshit carapace damage

If you're shooting into carapace you're wasting your time and ammo

It helps a tiny bit vs Unyielding but you'd literally get more benefit out of the global from Rending Strikes

Doesn't even add up vs Flak / Maniac

[unreal nova]

It makes flak things die a little faster, mostly those karking plasma gunners.

[wild vortex]

Also idk which variant or what setup you used to think Recon isn't good lol

[unreal nova]

IDK whose idea it was to make tiny captains when 1 was a pain at 300 ping already.

[silver patrol]

does anybody use anything except the fast firing one

[wild vortex]

Maybe by 1 bullet. Or 2. Lol.

[wild vortex]

I hope you mean VIc

[silver patrol]

who is Vic

[wild vortex]

Because XII feels ass

[unreal nova]

Most use VIc though.

[silver patrol]

they all feel like ass

[tall torrent]

XII is highest dps base but ADM falloff is worst

[silver patrol]

i mean if you have to use onslaught on one

it has to be the xii

[wild vortex]

You don't lmao

[unreal nova]

The faster they die, the happier I am. Those karkers are annoying.

[wild vortex]

If you're in a Mauler's face and shooting it with a las weapon idk what to tell you

[silver patrol]

yeah i agree

[wild vortex]

I can feel that

[silver patrol]

i do that with the shredder

[unreal nova]

I am not amused being a Vet with 0 toughness and lowered toughness replenishment.

[lime pendant]

after being re-educated into the IAG Vraks supremacy, what would y'all recommend?

[unreal nova]

I see the cara and is like... why are you shooting crushers?

[lime pendant]

recommended alternative?

[unreal nova]

I'm sure Path has the breakpoint answer in his guide.

I just put flak and maniac on mine with dum dum Deathspitter.

Planning to see if crits+flak is better.

[lime pendant]

chance or dmg?

[latent star]

maniac, unyielding, flak all good. I don't think you'd want unarmored but maybe there's a breakpoint for it?

[unreal nova]

Chance.

[latent star]

The +crit damage perk is surprisingly weak even if you have high crit chance.

[unreal nova]

Is just a me thing.

Still that gal who lost 57 twinned blasts in a row.

58 throws to twin.

20% chance btw.

[slow sky]

Because its a boost to the crit damage, not total damage of a crit

[latent star]

yup

it stinks!

[slow sky]

Same with weakspot

They're only ever good in stupidly high values

[unreal nova]

So chance is maybe okay, damage nope.

[latent star]

like +30% >_>

[slow sky]

And on weapons that scale well with it

[unreal nova]

Not even.

Knoife +60% is a meme.

[silver patrol]

+60% would be a lot

[latent star]

well Precision Strikes is +30% and is usually worth taking if you're anywhere near it.

[unreal nova]

It needs to be twice that to be worth it lul.

[silver patrol]

nah, 30% is a lot too

[unreal nova]

Knoife has mercykiller.

[slow sky]

The 30% weakspot talent is decent on weapons with good weakspot scaling
Thatd be close to 15%-20% more damage on good finesse weapons

[unreal nova]

It's +60%. It's a meme blessing for a reason.

[latent star]

Yeah, I think its around 10-20% bonus total damage (do we need to use More Damage terminology like PoE Fatshark?) on the right weapon

[slow sky]

Its a meme blessing because theres better options

[latent star]

the +30% talent that is

[slow sky]

Precog is also 60% but increases crit damage too

[silver patrol]

it's a meme because it also requires the enemy to be bleeding

[slow sky]

And that

[unreal nova]

Precog poofs faster than light.

[slow sky]

Meaning it requires a bleeding hit in the first place

[unreal nova]

Imo.

[slow sky]

And it appears equally as fast

[unreal nova]

And with 300 ping, harder to judge when it's up compared to see bleedy target.

[silver patrol]

25% weakspot damage is already good on hivescum for iag

[slow sky]

Judging things based on unplayable ping is pretty disingenuous

[silver patrol]

and the iag isn't even the most finesse weapon

to say nothing about melee builds

[wild vortex]

IAG is excellent for it because it has a big crit string and extremely controllable recoil

So you can benefit extremely well from weakspot damage with it

[slow sky]

It also doesnt help that the 10% crit/weak perk is in competition with multiplicitive 25% armor damage perks
The competition combined with the low value is what makes it bad

[silver patrol]

i don't think i would say the vraks has an extremely controllable recoil but

it's a pretty good damage increase on it

[unreal nova]

It kinda is? Things die way faster.

[slow sky]

But the 30% talent is a different story since depending on your pathing it has no competition and is still a decent bump for doing what you planned to anyway

[unreal nova]

You can always just uncanny mercykiller.

[silver patrol]

it's a 2 finesse multiplier

[slow sky]

Ok but those are blessings not perks

Idk what that has to do with me talking about perk competition

[silver patrol]

oh yeah those are trash on perks

maybe if they were double the amount

[unreal nova]

Oh, perks. Thinking talents and was like, wasn't the alt like deadshot?

[slow sky]

The original thing was crit/weakspot perks are doodoo because of the low value plus what its competing with for the slot

In higher values, and with less competition, it becomes much better, like the 30% weakspot talent when youre pathing to mmf

[latent star]

(also helps that the talent is weapon agnostic)

[unreal nova]

Thus, crit chance was the thing I meant originally. Crit chance+flak to test feel.

[slow sky]

Mercy killer still falls victim to the competition part cuz its competing with uncanny precog riposte and the bleed blessings if you're not a vet

[unreal nova]

Or stick with flak+maniac.

[slow sky]

I dont think 5% crit is worth it on anything other than recon and laspistol ngl

[latent star]

I kinda like Mercy Killer for reliability but Precog is more damage and has very good uptime

[unreal nova]

Because it's always up on second hit onwards.

Unless bleed applies before damage.

[latent star]

I think it's the second but I'd need to test to be sure.

Precog is finesse not weak spot which is better

[unreal nova]

Is just 2.5 secs, which for me, is too low to rely on.

Or 3.5 secs. Can't remember.

I know I dislike it for anything but bullying muties.

[latent star]

well you should be dodging pretty constantly for defense and for +crit anyways but sometimes nobody is trying to kill you at the moment and you still need to stab someone.

[unreal nova]

Thing is, when you are stuck playing 280+ ping, your dodges can simply just fail because server said so.

[latent star]

Yeah that stinks

[unreal nova]

I have been overheaded by a boss over 15m away.

Only reason not dead is true grit.

So even spamming dodge with dueling sword or tac axe on agile, it's still a gamble.

[wild vortex]

I would not even play this game if I had that ping ngl

[unreal nova]

I grumble, but pretty used to it. Comes from playing with really bad connection due to spawn location vs usual server locations.

Very old multiplayer games tend to be US or EU servers. 600 ping is pretty good ping.

That was when I was younger tbh.

I just got spoiled when they added SEA servers for games. 3-15 ping. Heh.

15 was on worse net.

Problem? Kinda dead server.

I could literally start a malice/heresy mortis trial and solo it in a public lobby.

[wild vortex]

I played Darktide Asia servers for a month last year

literally uninstalled

[unreal nova]

Nobody playing for most parts?

Yeah, it's either suck it up with 300+~ ping or solo.

[wild vortex]

people were playing, they just sucked ass

I'm not even a good player and they were worse than me

and yeah number of players were fewer so I'd run into the same idiots every time I queued

awful experience

[unreal nova]

Oh, those, got used to that as well.

You want good, h40 only.

You might find the 1% there and only there.

Normal board is solo or solo or solo.

Solo because bad players, solo because 3 bots or solo because everyone else is dead.

The hours I play though, the second and third is most true.

Because bots die in questionable ways.

Actually, for havoc, go HK. Even SEA ppl go HK cos dead here.

[distant plaza]

huzzah, it happened!

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-birthday-happybirthday-bday-hbd-gif-344809372996923071

[drowsy perch]

adept assassin gonna take 5 years to complete

[slow sky]

It took me 3 games, nearly 2

Just use revolver

And knife ig

You need weakspot crit kills on elites
So you want your gun to deal enough damage from the forced crit to kill elites in one hit
Revolver does that
And knife also has extra crit chance baked in but youre mainly gonna be using revolver

It also works by just getting 1 melee kill, then letting surgical force the crit for you

Its even faster considering revolver has some cleave and elites tend to blob together so you could get 2-3 for the price of 1

[drowsy perch]

using recon las with crit

might swap to my revolver tbh

[latent star]

I imagine revolver would be easiest for the penance.

[austere mica]

Not a good idea for weapon spec

Recon las barely benefits

[trim badger]

Not even then

Had a clown of a vet yesterday that got 10 special kills and less than 100k dmg and blamed me for getting wiped

Make it make sense

Guy just kept spamming plasma, got me killed since I got grabbed by a mutie by clearing all bombers and exploded by a burster while I was grabbed

I saw him on the side just spamming plasma to a boss instead of helping me

So many fake h40 players nowadays

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but the actually good ones are now just there. Uprising to Auric on hours where there is ppl is an absolute clown show.

[slow sky]

That's quite possibly the worst weapon to use it with

[unreal nova]

You might get lucky and get decent, but most play pretty bad to the point input devices matters not.

[unreal nova]

Only for Shocktroop tbh.

[trim badger]

I did notice this when farming the event

That's why I just played the entire event as arbitrs with rebreather

[slow sky]

They are trying to get the weapons specialist penance

[trim badger]

So I could solo easily if needed

[unreal nova]

Oh, then just use a one blam machine.

Hell, even Bistol is better.

[slow sky]

Revolvers better though

[unreal nova]

More or less, and don't get incredibly screwed over by horrible gas spots because FS totally plays their own game. Wait, one does as a smyker.

[unreal nova]

Or even gambling with shotgun.

[hybrid plover]

People are getting carried left and right to 40

[slow sky]

No I mean revolver is the best weapon to get that penance done with

Literally nothing is better

[hybrid plover]

I think they need to put the actual assignment rank as a metric at this point

It's bonkers how many people I've ran into recently that are actually just completely out of their depth with high Havoc .

[unreal nova]

Problem is more, if they know they were carried, they shouldn't be looking at H40 pugs.

[tall torrent]

it would help but people can still get boosted

[trim badger]

It's funny since vet is one of the easiest classes to play in Havoc (if playing shout)

[unreal nova]

Because, if I can survive H40 with like 1-2 deaths tops at H40 on at least 280 ping, they should be doing better than that.

[tall torrent]

rank & title don't matter

[hybrid plover]

It's at least a somewhat more consistent way to tell.

[unreal nova]

But some ppl hate the revolver so... alternatives, lul.

[trim badger]

I do trust True Survivor at this point

[hybrid plover]

Even if there are some people that really did get to rank 40 just by being carried by a pre-made or something.

[trim badger]

But rank 40 yeah it's not really trust worthy

[hybrid plover]

While I'm over here still grinding for an actual 40 solely off the whim of randoms

😭

[hybrid plover]

I don't wish this upon my worst enemy by the way.

[trim badger]

You kinda are torturing yourself with this tho

Whenever a new season starts I just rush assignment 40 with Friends

[tall torrent]

90% are fake survivors

[trim badger]

And then play pugs exclusively

[hybrid plover]

I made it 39. And then got pushed all the way down to 33.

[tall torrent]

TS might be the most fake title in the game

[unreal nova]

Or did it season 1 with 2 bubbles and 2 books.

[torpid grotto]

Most people got it when you could rotate shout and book for infinite gold toughness

And on like archivum

I got it that way

[trim badger]

Like if they got it from Season 1 when it was braindead easy, a year has passed, I assume they got a little better

[torpid grotto]

Not sure if I got a ts game since gold nerf

[tall torrent]

lol no

[trim badger]

That's depressing

[tall torrent]

the avg ASS plays better than the avg TS

lolol

[trim badger]

lul

[unreal nova]

Dark communion, going slow and safe much.

[trim badger]

I got a TS pug run the other day with melee psyker

Was fun

[torpid grotto]

The three absolute worst na west regulars that are bad to the point of infamy all have ts titles xD

[unreal nova]

But Season 1 so durp.

[wild vortex]

there's that infamous 7k level Zealot player

[narrow frost]

me you and who?

[wild vortex]

idr their name

[torpid grotto]

Bruh

[narrow frost]

bruh is east

aint him

[torpid grotto]

Nah he’s west lol

[narrow frost]

https://tenor.com/view/run-cat-running-goofy-kitty-silly-cat-running-away-gif-9255357527903375512

oh

[wild vortex]

I've run into them a few times, they're quite mediocre

[torpid grotto]

We migrated to east

[narrow frost]

lol

[tall torrent]

which 3

[torpid grotto]

Cus west died

[narrow frost]

fair

[torpid grotto]

I no bully

[tall torrent]

is celine among them

[torpid grotto]

I forgor them

Name sounds familiar

[wild vortex]

Celine is the Zealot right

[tall torrent]

super high lvl zealot 1 trick but actually not good

[wild vortex]

but at least when I ran into them they didn't have TS

[trim badger]

Player who is level 4993 on their veteran said Vet was useless on Havoc, then says I did nothing for the team the entire game </3

[torpid grotto]

People have very weird personal metas on their heads

[narrow frost]

feelings not numbers

[tall torrent]

I've ran into sally before

[narrow frost]

they are funny

[trim badger]

They also said "this is why I hate r- who use scoreboard because it doesn't show what really happened"

Like gg whatever man

[narrow frost]

scoreboard doesnt say that much

[tall torrent]

scoreboard doesn't prove that much cuz it doesn't account for nuances

[narrow frost]

yeah

I meant actual game numbers

[trim badger]

True, but calling the class that will inevitably deal huge damage and grant gold toughness useless