veteran-class

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nah it shreds everything in sight

[unreal nova]

Press special.

Sounds like you are using it unpowered.

[livid hill]

NOW

[distant mural]

Prolly just doesnt have mastery yet

So he doesnt have cycler

[unreal nova]

And it's like a wet pool noodle unpowered.

[mint kiln]

alr thanks guys

[distant mural]

U need power cycler blessing so it becomes good

Without it p-swird is doodoo

[mint kiln]

no wonder why

[livid hill]

Me too

[distant mural]

Yes power cycler and brutal momentum or sunder.

[plain escarp]

Getting a perfect plasma gun is tough man

[hollow ibex]

I spent 2.5m and best I got was 70 70

For a gun I use five times a year

[tame lodge]

I got an ammo dump one and said fuck it we ball

And in my infinite wisdom

I built it for 11 continuos shots

[hollow ibex]

All of my vet teammates be like

[orchid hemlock]

Reject Plasma embrace Helbore

[desert viper]

peak reply oomf

[quasi swallow]

levelling vet build that can carry? 5 games lost in a row cause of chud teammates

[tame lodge]

Frag spam

[still dove]

thoughts on this on a db shotgun WS build

[hollow ibex]

That’ll work

[still dove]

i usually use power sword

[hollow ibex]

Just be very careful of downtimes

[still dove]

okkk

[hollow ibex]

You don’t want to be using an unpowered falch

On that build

When a crusher train shows up

[still dove]

that's a nightmare lol

i like the falch though it's nice

[plain escarp]

close

[forest lagoon]

I tried the bolt guns out of curiosity

spearhead is so damn fun

[dry cloak]

good

bolter is the big one
and boltpistol is the small one

[forest lagoon]

yeah I already use a Godwyn bolt pistol on my psyker

I'm gonna have to test between spearhead and helbore to see which one is more fun

[dry cloak]

you dont have to godwyn boltpistol

everyone knows what bistol is

at least here

[dry cloak]

different use cases for the most part

bolter is more versatile

both can be used for sniping

but helbore is gonna be better at that

[livid crystal]

Tbh I played vet and I never knew this was a. Thing I can use

[turbid ibex]

Any advice on how to get the long bomb penance?

[wild vortex]

I got it by accident at the end of Excise Vault

chucked a grenade from the exit elevator to the last door where the mobs were following us

[hollow ibex]

It’s very strong

[wild vortex]

man I accidentally killed our psyker in the last game by blowing a burster while I was shooty mcshooting and it led to a wipe

and this was after I took the last medicae because I didn't see that he was on one wound left

poor guy

probably gave him a headache

VIc's pewpew is just so addictive

[hollow ibex]

I swear every vet has a recon las phase

[still dove]

is onslaught needed on a recon build

[wild vortex]

speaking of, what's the best keystone for VIc + Shovel. Currently I use MMF for penance but once that's done?

[turbid ibex]

Recon has pretty bad finesse so mmf doesnt work well

[lyric path]

recon las is a fucking great gun

[still dove]

recon works best with focus target

[turbid ibex]

Take 25 toughness instead of rending imo

You also want the damage nodes on the bottom right tree

[wild vortex]

I know but it's the only gun on which I can tolerate attempting the penance

[turbid ibex]

Skirmisher, agile engagement and expose weakness

[wild vortex]

I;m at 1987/2500 now

[still dove]

it's hard to go to the right with a recon build

[turbid ibex]

What does the top of the tree look like on your build

[hollow ibex]

It’s ok

[still dove]

could get rid of grenade tink for skirm

[turbid ibex]

Are you doing high havocs

[still dove]

just auric mael and low havoc for now

[turbid ibex]

Then drop tinkerer

Krak tinkerer is for crusher one shots on high havocs

[still dove]

ah ok

would love to get agile engagement and exploit weakness but i don't think i can drop anything else

[hollow ibex]

You can drop 6 stacks

Take skirmisher

[still dove]

i dropped tink for skirm and i dropped the 6 stacks for agile

[hollow ibex]

That works

[still dove]

nice, i guess not having exploit weakness is fine?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

Ig it depends on how much you want to melee

Right side is just so good

It’s tempting to take it all

[lyric path]

whaaaa

[lyric path]

who gave this man access to the internet

[wild vortex]

is WS just a generically better keystone than FT

[livid crystal]

What does the heat do, just cleave?

[hollow ibex]

It’s a low skill floor low skill ceiling weapon

[latent star]

Nah they're different and serve different purposes.

[hollow ibex]

It’s the energized state

[livid crystal]

Stab stab

[hollow ibex]

Basically weapon overloads and turns off

[latent star]

Big question for WS v. FT is what tree you're already going down IMO.

FT also needs 3 points minimum to really be worth it IMO and WS can work with 1 point pretty well.

[mint kiln]

playing vet in Auric with a recon lasgun is so sweaty

[lyric path]

Next ya gonna be telling me the hotshot lasgun is a low skill low ceiling weapon if it ever gets added

[tame lodge]

3 points?

You get the keystone and then left modifier

Nothing else matters

[hollow ibex]

Let’s see

No recoil

Terrible finesse

Big mag

Mediocre damage

Yup all checks out

[tame lodge]

Braced Auto of Lasguns

[hollow ibex]

Honestly

That’s a pretty good comparison

[dry galleon]

I will live and die by the laspistol, my beloved.

[wild vortex]

it is fun though

[calm shard]

oh yeah I guess it would be for the Mk XII since it slows you way the fuck down, has massive spread, and godawful damage

But it has crits unlike brauto so

[hollow ibex]

I think they both have similar finesse values

Idr the how the crit strings look though

[slow spade]

Every time I use Recon I keep thinking "I could have killed this guy so much faster"

At the very least, it's alright. Especially compared to its older versions

[formal hamlet]

I feel like it's taking me a lot more shots to kill these guys with my plasma, and even my stab into 2 slashes with psword isn't killing anymore. I dunno what the new optimal method is when dealing with a ton of these guys in higher diffs.

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1468738818721972476/6772D51.MP4?ex=6985c5de&is=6984745e&hm=71839105ca4a3dde7e28db54ff9f426b4026a8ccd423503b0873e48adb9f45fe&

[formal hamlet]

Mine mostly leaves them with a sliver of health after that combo, sometimes it kills which I assume is from random crits.

[tall torrent]

wats ur tree

[formal hamlet]

I dunno, lemme check, ALL my shit on all my classes got reset and normally I get my builds from other people.

[tall torrent]

check pinned guide for vet build

[formal hamlet]

My current one looks like this.

[tall torrent]

this is a high dmg build, u just need the buffs up

[ancient lynx]

okay so anyone wanna give me tips for auric/havoc build with this??? (i know it isn't... perfect. that's why im here asking for bit of help from you guys)
meme or not ill take it.

[mystic pilot]

its sad that BigFish changed the plasma gun for this game, it was go to when you need something to crack armor

[latent star]

Replace those weapon perks on both IMO

[mystic pilot]

your Kraks gonna have to carry you against armoured enemies

[latent star]

+25 to carapace / unyielding / flak / mutants way better

[ancient lynx]

oh

[latent star]

That's a fine start for a WS build though, you spam fast attacks with your chainsword and you shoot hard with your plasma and you have kraks for anything that doesn't get solved by the first two.

[tall torrent]

check the pinned guide, this can use a lot of work

[mystic pilot]

yes, the guide has recommended perks and blessings for each weapons and the Curios

[ancient lynx]

oh i've been trying out this fella's guide too
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0fd6366-f936-4e95-b0b3-7896c5349824/h40-plasma-veteran

[latent star]

also don't run a +2 stam curio IMO, not worth it take +16% toughness until you get a +3.

[ancient lynx]

yeah i do need more curio..

[turbid ibex]

dont trust gameslantern builds

[ancient lynx]

how so?

is it bad??

[turbid ibex]

theres issues

[ancient lynx]

huh

[tall torrent]

this build is ass

[ancient lynx]

that bad?? damn

[turbid ibex]

dueling sword on vet is a major red flag

[latent star]

Gameslantern builds are usually somewhere between "kinda stupid" to "fine I guess" with an occassional "this is good" but unless the user can really explain why they're picking things I'd consider it low quality advice at best.

[tall torrent]

this part is seriously wtf

[ancient lynx]

yeah what im trying to do is basically melee and plasma vet so..

i guess ill try my own shit than

[tall torrent]

check the pinned guide then

[ancient lynx]

aye

will do!

[slow spade]

Most build guides aren't bullied enough so they're dogshit

[tall torrent]

I have build templates u can flat out copy

[ancient lynx]

oh that's good to hear

[slow spade]

A build posted here WILL be "scrutinized" to say the least lol

[latent star]

I don't think the build guides are always 100% correct but its a good idea to understand why you're deviating from them if you do.

[slow spade]

Indeed, I tend to use builds suggested here to get ideas rather than to use them

[ancient lynx]

lmao, this meme is gold. i love it.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1049467010314158150/739s5z.jpg?ex=6985d011&is=69847e91&hm=748e3fe424f9a51f96bdf8b799116a0cf6835766d0720d39bbe29fc0f5074739&

anyway

[tall torrent]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781
open this, go to veteran sections

[livid hill]

We love lasguns in this house

[slow spade]

I still remember the recon apologists

[ancient lynx]

you know.

[slow spade]

Every week a new "guys I found a GOOD recon build"

[ancient lynx]

i used the same fucking las gun till like last year nov.

since launch

[latent star]

IMO you can make workable recon builds but they usually invest a fair amount of effort into making the weapon acceptable instead of just using something else.

Which, hey, I understand.

Sometimes you don't wanna plasma every day.

[ancient lynx]

and the chainsword? yeah i went to use other melee but... there's nothing like the chainsword.

[latent star]

Chainsword is a bit slept on IMO, not super amazing but very solid.

Not sure about blessing choices but depends on how you use it.

My steaming hot take is the +movespeed blessing is actually really good and nobody uses it.

[tall torrent]

chainsword is 3~5 buffs away from being good

[ancient lynx]

i usally throw shotgun and lasgun to that mix

chainsword + lasgun or shotgun

lately having so much fun with shotguns

[primal zealot]

i remember after they reworked chainsword like 2 months ago everyone was sharting n farting over it being op new meta

[ancient lynx]

okay so the first pinned by you @tall torrent

[latent star]

We desparate for new options so we hyping anything even mildly viable.

[ancient lynx]

is that the one?

[tall torrent]

Hammer of the emperor, yea

[ancient lynx]

okay that is alot of reading.

i love the details

well done man

[latent star]

Its a v. good guide

[ancient lynx]

this looks solid

[tall torrent]

It’s ok if u only want builds, skip to veteran section

[ancient lynx]

yeah but yk

[tall torrent]

If u want to make smth of ur own, copy the template and start from there

[ancient lynx]

i can't just skip the good bits

[tall torrent]

I do recommend reading everything in the intro sections

But after that, jump to wherever u want

[ancient lynx]

im a nerd that loves reading, you can't stop me from skipping the manual or a guide

[latent star]

There are many vet talents that are simply good or bad math picks but there are also a ton that are playstyle specific and understanding how they work helps you customize to taste.

[tall torrent]

If I was a masochist there’d be more

[ancient lynx]

but most of all i stand by the chainsword.

[tall torrent]

The current version of the guide actually skips a lot of useful details that would take a lot of space to include

[ancient lynx]

this fucking thing. this damn chainsword has been with me since darktide cbt and it carried me since now.

never failed me

i just... can't seem to understand the hype around powersword

never was my type of melee

[latent star]

Once you get the charge push stab combo down the powersword really comes into its own.

It solves problems.

[ancient lynx]

is it now

maybe i should give it a try when i get bored of using chainsword

🙂

which means never but yk

[latent star]

Tac Axe, Knife, and Shovel all a bit slept on IMO.

[ancient lynx]

knife? you mean those combat blade??

[latent star]

Yeah

[ancient lynx]

yeah those are good too

[latent star]

Great synergy with the super easy bleed talent.

[polar rain]

Krieg spotted

[tall torrent]

It’s top3 melee in the game

[latent star]

Guilty.

[ancient lynx]

yeah i get why it is top 3 but

i just don't like it.

[latent star]

That's fair, its a different kind of weapon.

[polar rain]

Corpsestarch with you

[tall torrent]

I wish falchion was good

[latent star]

It is a little more complicated than lots of people give it credit for due to how it charges, what you can do after charging, timing it, etc.

[latent star]

Its so close.

[ancient lynx]

you know what? im gonna try using Heavy sword while im at it

[tall torrent]

Nah it needs like 8-10 buffs

[ancient lynx]

looks fun

[latent star]

Give it a good blessng and watch it fly :p

Which counts as 8-10 buffs to be fair.

[ancient lynx]

have yall used heavy sword

i have one but not sure how to use it

[latent star]

Its kinda garbage IMO. I'm sure if you put in the work and make a proper build it can do fine but it doesn't have much to offer that other weapons can't do better.

like why heavy sword instead of knife or shovel?

[ancient lynx]

true

also the "if you build it right" goes to any weapon in this game

[hollow ibex]

Better horde clear but it’s not great on vet

[tame lodge]

Hsword is top tier weapon

[latent star]

better horde clear than shovel? Heresy!

[ancient lynx]

is it??

[hollow ibex]

Shovel horde clear is ol

[tame lodge]

Yeah just not against carapace

[hollow ibex]

Ok

[ancient lynx]

ok that's fair

[hollow ibex]

But it doesn’t have brutal momentum/deathblow

[tame lodge]

It can insta kill 5 enemies with 1 swing

[ancient lynx]

oh shit really?

that sounds fun

[tame lodge]

Yeah Deathblow+ innate cleave damage properties

[latent star]

Kraks are a nice "you cna use whatever the fuck you want I guess?" ability so try it out.

[hollow ibex]

Just make sure you have an answer for crushers

And maulers

Which is not hard on vet tbf

[ancient lynx]

hmmmm

yeah it isn't

i guess it's not worth taking talent that adds bonus rending than??

[latent star]

Rending is weird

[hollow ibex]

Idr hsword ADMs

[latent star]

It is very good and completely worthless depending on LOTS OF FACTORS

[hollow ibex]

Would need to check

[latent star]

I usually don't think the +10% rending node is worth going out of your way for but some builds can make good use of it.

[ancient lynx]

can you explain by "lots of factors." mean. is it like armor and such?

[latent star]

+25 toughness is a really nice alternative for a class that relies almost entirely on toughness

[latent star]

Rending boosts damage against flak, carapace, mutant, and unyielding based on how much armor pen the weapon already has. The mostly-accurate math is that weapons do a % of damage against these types of armor based on weapon and specific attack and all sorts of things and rending just adds a flat bonus to that before the final calculation.

So if you do 50% damage to crushers with an attack and you have 10% rending you end up doing 60%.

[tame lodge]

Not needed on Hsword
It already has some high Adms across the board
Except for Carapace

[latent star]

This makes rending more valuable for very low armor pen attacks but then you also have to wonder if its worth using those attacks on armor. Notably, rending also affects bleeds and rending is one of the better ways to buff dot and bleed damage.

[hollow ibex]

Do you know how ADMs work?

[latent star]

also IIRC the guide you were just looking at has a very good linked rending description somewhere

[ancient lynx]

not really, i just started reading the guide

i just did whatever kept me alive so

[latent star]

IMO take rending if you're using a ton of bleed stuff with frag grenades or if +10% rending helps you hit an important #-of-hits-to-kill breakpoint.

[ancient lynx]

interestingly the slayer build is what i have been using ever since the talent tree change update

xD

[hollow ibex]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kif1SOFRCtQ

If you want a video

This one is great

[ancient lynx]

i guess that explains the reason why i was doing somewhat decent

[ancient lynx]

will do, thanks for the info.

[tall torrent]

It just depends on attacks’ base ADM

[hollow ibex]

Rykens a good source of information since he actually tests stuff

[tall torrent]

Which, for most good weapons, is not needed

[latent star]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

But I’d be very careful about other YouTubers

[tall torrent]

I have rending explained in my guide

[tall torrent]

This needs changes

[hollow ibex]

I’d recommend just following the guide builds

Until you’re very familiar with the tree

[latent star]

The slayer build is very good and you can run it with basically anything, doesn't need to be a shotgun.

[ancient lynx]

i mean that is what i have been using like years. so

it is not that different then what i had

only difference is the +25 toughness i guess

[tall torrent]

There’re a lot of points u can save on that build u posted

[ancient lynx]

i don't mind more tips

just give it to me

[tall torrent]

Just read da guide

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396860171541807105/1232138126441582642/mfw_deadass.gif

[ancient lynx]

aye xD

[latent star]

There's just a lot of questionable points spent further up the tree and there doesn't seem to be a clear purpose to many of the decisions and there's no real reason to skip a keystone

[formal hamlet]

Did they nerf it recently?

[tame lodge]

No lol

[tall torrent]

No

[mystic pilot]

no I was talking about the tabletop/lore

plasma gun has a VERY high AP

but they didn't depict that when they adapted it for Darktide

they did give it strong cleave....if you aim for headshot kill and terrain penetration.

[tall torrent]

I’ve heard about a plasma rework, dunno the details tho

[mystic pilot]

only melta beat plasma in AP

-2 is the common AP stats for any Imperial Guard handheld weapons capable of punching through any armor at all

Plasma supercharge amp it up to -3

and then only the melta has the highest AP -4

[junior grail]

Someone: mentions melta in Darktide

Me: cries in strained hopium

[tame lodge]

Me having rogue trader flashbacks

it was a miss for me

[mystic pilot]

also interesting enough, the plasma gun has Rapid Fire 1 tag just like the boltgun in the tabletop

[junior grail]

I'd like a plasma variant where its l1 doesn't have a delay

[turbid ibex]

i'd like a plasma variant where its m1 has a one second delay

[tame lodge]

I'd like a plasma variant with no m1

[junior grail]

Ngl a plasma with emphasis on charged attacks is also nice

[slow sky]

Granted
The only existing variant has a longer delay on m1
Nothing else has changed

[turbid ibex]

i'd like a plasma variant where the m1 crashes the servers

[junior grail]

Have the trifecta of variants, the weaker faster one and the slower stronger one

[tame lodge]

And because of that it starts cooling down faster between shots

Meaning it'll never overheat

Fatshark you've done it again

[slow spade]

only Owlcat can make a plasma throwing melta gun and make it dogshit vs armor UwU

[turbid ibex]

OwO

[tame lodge]

No no I refuse to believe that's real

[quaint marsh]

That bug where the plasma dropped frames ever get fixed? had a friend whos on a lower end computer ask lol

[tall torrent]

fixed ye

[astral breach]

We need powerfists before a plasma rework

[wild vortex]

any class getting powerfists before Ogryns would be an exterminatus-worthy crime

[mystic pilot]

like improved AP (better modifiers against armored enemies, no change vs "lesser armored/unarmored" types)

[woeful field]

Id like a plasma cannon

[midnight galleon]

multi melta

[formal hamlet]

Pulse carbine.

[stoic thorn]

@ashen ginkgo

[wild vortex]

holy shit finally

[hollow ibex]

grats lol

[keen wharf]

Making a heavysword Vet, would close quarters killzone be worth taking over serrated blade? Take into consideration im using Perfect strike so it can/will carve through everything including bulwarks which makes me think serrated blade somewhat synergizes with Perfect strike.

[turbid ibex]

Holy shit vraks infantry autogun

[slender elm]

Perfect strike is mid, take deathblow

Much more reliable

[keen wharf]

yeah... but Mk VI doesnt like deathblow that much, especially with heavy attacks when clearing hordes, also vet can get perfect strike to be consistent once ive dodged a couple times.

[slow sky]

all marks like deathblow

especially the 6/7

funny joke

[turbid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741119243646402592/1465005870487441585/caption-6_1.gif

[slow sky]

because the horizontal heavies are considered strikedowns, they have exceedingly high first target damage, which deathblow carries across multiple targets

its very rare for attacks like that to be able to be effectively used in that way cuz of the direction of the swing

[keen wharf]

the horizontal on the Mk VI goes from bottom left to upper right which means it'll hit like... 1 head after carving through an abdomen first.

[slow sky]

you gotta change your angle as you swing

aim high and drop the camera as you swing

youll scoop off 5 gunner heads in one swing

[keen wharf]

i already do that without hitting the head?

[slow sky]

specifically 5 rather than the usual 4 that comes with DB/BM because heavy sword strikedowns notably have the exact same damage for the first 2 targets anyway

[slender elm]

I just use mark ix

Heavy loop wheee

[slow sky]

i highly doubt youre killing 5 elites with body shots from full hp, when the headshot damage nearly doubles the damage

[keen wharf]

i sometimes to Heavy > Heavy depending on the enemy type but if its hordes i usually just to Heavy/light which works well except when there's 2 Bulwarks cucking me hence why i take perfect strike.

[slow sky]

perfect strike still falls victim to cleave damage

[slender elm]

Hit mass ignore doesn't work vs ogryns

[slow sky]

when armor is in the way the best solution is to have a seperate one

cuz perfect strike is mitigating a problem without solving it, at the cost of a lot of potential the sword has in the first place

[keen wharf]

i dunno. people can take deathblow if they want but i perform just as good with either so i just take perfect strike because its funny going through a bulwark and still stacking bleed, or going through a Crusher and bonking 2 Ragers in 1 hit.

it also means i dont need to specifically aim for the head which is annoying asf when im just trying to get a horde of enemies dead.

[slender elm]

Mark ix also looks better imo

[keen wharf]

i actually hate how there hasnt been a cool Heavy sword skin.

[dry cloak]

I despise mk9 because the. MOveset does not click for me

[keen wharf]

this is why i like Mk VI.

[tall torrent]

there has been at least 2

[slender elm]

It's very straightforward

[tall torrent]

there's a black one and a blue one

[slender elm]

Special into h1 into stab

[keen wharf]

i havent seen one, at least not on the darktide wiki.

[slender elm]

And for hordes just spam

Heavies or lights dont matter

Lel

[keen wharf]

i want one that's like... a different style of heavy sword not just the color change.

[slow sky]

because the darktide wiki may as well not exist

it has like nothing on it

[keen wharf]

i dunno specifically if it was the wiki that had the list of cosmetics, i know there is a site that keeps track.

[slow sky]

heres hsword skin

completely new model

[slender elm]

I like the default look of the mark ix so much im running it instead of the mastery skin

[keen wharf]

that just looks like the Mk VI but black.

[slow sky]

it looks nothing like the mk6

[keen wharf]

oh i guess it was the curve of the blade i was thinking of.

[dry cloak]

Mk6 hs my beloved

[keen wharf]

i've tried the other Mk's i just dont like the attack patterns.

also i dunno how Vet manages to hit like 7k with Heavysword.

[dry cloak]

Perks above the weapon spec

[slow sky]

wdym 7k

damage with the sword on hit?

[keen wharf]

ive managed to hit something a couple times and do like 7k damage, ive even bonked Reapers with overheads and oneshot them.

[slow sky]

well 7k is way higher than how much reapers hp is

[keen wharf]

i know but im not sure if scoreboard also counts the overkill damage not to mention i dont think its on a Monstrosity since im not getting any stacks from killing anything.

[dry cloak]

Yeah hs has very high unyielding and maniac damage

[slow sky]

and youre sure its from the sword? not a krak or something?

[keen wharf]

im not using kraks, only frag grenades & bolt gun.

[slow sky]

im gonna take a bet and say its a crit headshot against a mutant

heavy sword has exceedingly high adms against maniac

and mutants take 2x damage from melee

you typically one shot them

with hsword

[keen wharf]

probably, it is amusing watching the killfeed when a line of mutants run into my horizontal and sometimes overhead.

[slow sky]

and thats 4000 hp

[keen wharf]

i hate that i get more dopamine playing with Heavy sword on any class then i do playing with the Meta melee weapons. sometimes im a detriment to the team but rarely.

[dry cloak]

Heavy sword isnreally good into everything but carapace

And thats why many people discard it

[keen wharf]

this is why i wish bladed momentum would last to like 3.5 seconds so i could chain it better. but ill still hit for about 1000 with overheads to a Crusher.

[south river]

how would you build a heavy sword char (and assuming you take kraks with it as blitz?)

[dry cloak]

Theres exactly one build for hs

[ember halo]

Death blow and head taker as blessings
Flak/maniac perks

[dry cloak]

Desthblow hesdtaker with flak plus maniac

[keen wharf]

this what ive been using, you could swap target down for redirect fire but its negligible damage so i just take more toughness on kill.
Also yes, Headtaker/Deathblow + flak/Maniac is prefered but i found i oneshot maniacs regardless so you could take Elite damage to add to Flak damage.

[livid crystal]

Real question how do you use the plasma gun first time using it any tips? What are the blessing

[austere mica]

Point and shoot

Pinned guide has blessings

The only way you can optimize its use is not spamming into trash and knowing the reload cancel

[livid crystal]

Ohhhhh

Tyty master

[lyric path]

does the tact axe need rending strikes?

[austere mica]

It'll help

Mostly with carapace

Its fine against everything else

[lyric path]

ok thanks

[lunar maple]

The axe master

[umbral scaffold]

BOY

[lunar maple]

Cratos

[dapper coyote]

From fripfrop

[livid crystal]

Imma level up the hellebore it looks fun asf

[latent star]

Its fun. The IIIa is the only one worth using IMO, the IV is painfully slow and the V doesn't hit hard enough.

[steep flower]

Unironic Fire Team user

[calm shard]

can't wait to see it in the weapon customization mod so I can slap it on a relic blade

[tame lodge]

Eminem been real quiet since this dropped

[steep flower]

Redirect fire is also for your team - it is by no means negligible

[drowsy perch]

closest i could get to the titlescreen vet

not entirely sure what the pants are

infiltrator are closest to them

[prime wyvern]

what is reload canceling

[steep flower]

Can try the other stripe ones; black ones

[junior grail]

It does bother me that that headgear doesn't fully protect the face

[drowsy perch]

the legendary ones? those have symbols on the pouch

[junior grail]

Cheeks gonna get nurgle-gooned

[drowsy perch]

like it looks like maybe an early version of infil

[steep flower]

Yeah; maybe its the lighting but i think its darker pants

[lyric path]

would the plasma gun go well with a stealth vet?

[dry cloak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741119243646402592/1465005870487441585/caption-6_1.gif

[charred halo]

the depths...

like...

[charred halo]

https://tenor.com/view/deepwoken-deepwoken-no-life-kings-no-life-kings-gif-3612405457009758497

[lunar maple]

lol

[lyric path]

??

[steep flower]

Its more like playstyle than ability dependant
Mostly keystone dependant; can be with WS or FT; both work

• 30% dmg could be nice for some quick burst of dmg cause fires quite fast

And safe reload

Cause 8s invis

[slow spade]

the real ranged weapon for stealth vet is grenades UwU

underhand nades don't drop stealth but you still get the damage buff

[tall torrent]

way cleaner looking

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1469268536873713785/new_format.mp4?ex=69870a74&is=6985b8f4&hm=a24990af0c195f263c056bd6fa60d0edf445d793093a209aa846ef26b0339793&

[formal hamlet]

I think this if the first time I'm seeing a build going straight down like this.

Ayo, I didn't know he's allowed to re-adjust his aim after the flash.

[agile yew]

Had veteran in team who constantly ran out of ammo and spammed "I need ammo!"

Meanwhile, he wasnt running survivalist but some dmg aura

🤷‍♂️

[slender elm]

Probably running recon as well

[formal hamlet]

Must have been this guy.

[livid crystal]

He cooking

He know some we don’t

[formal hamlet]

I swear if I jump on my Veteran or Arby, I match with LV30 players who know what they're doing and we have a breeze mission. If I jump on my Hive Scum to get some levelling done, I match with people like this who wait until a burster gets next to the entire time before shooting it.

[agile yew]

Ive also had few sniper moments where i jumped down and he perfectly hit midair

Not doing it again

[south river]

legendary play

[formal hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[south river]

https://tenor.com/view/did-i-do-that-urkel-steve-urkel-dork-nerd-gif-9689570743064442938

[lyric path]

thats clean looking

[lyric path]

hey is there a ranged weapon that has the damage of the bolter but the mobility of the recon lasgun?

[dry cloak]

Boltpistol with 80 mob

[hollow warren]

Damn it, clearly FatShark can properly attach a visor to the standard model Veteran helmet with rebreather. So why couldn't they do an equally proper job with the free version? I cannot unsee bits of the red visor sticking out from both sides of the helmet

[tame lodge]

Dawg, you're lucky to even have the visor on the free one

[hollow warren]

I'm surprised they even decided to add it

Strange that it's only the one helmet and that's it. All other version are the same.

[tame lodge]

There was no announcement of it being changed
So it's either a classic Fatshark not communicating moment

[lyric path]

damn

[tame lodge]

Or this is a bug of sorts that ends up adding visor to the free helmet

Pick your poison

[hollow warren]

Or perhaps it was unintentional and they'll remove it at some point?

[tame lodge]

Yuh

[lyric path]

the quck draw pistol how is it in terms of damage and mobility?

[unreal nova]

What is ammo pool?

[tame lodge]

The laser pistol?
Pretty high dps
Aim for weakspots and fish for Crits or go home

[unreal nova]

Quick draw sounds like cowboy revolver.

[tame lodge]

Or the quick draw revolver?
Pretty high damage
Aim for weakspots and fish for Crits or go home

[lyric path]

understood

[serene bough]

What are the new cosmetics

[lyric path]

there are none

got this roll from hadron is this good?

[rocky aurora]

reload on this weap is already pretty slow.. you really want mobility to be the dump stat here..

[lyric path]

Dang ok good to know thank you

[rocky aurora]

if you want specific rolls save up some money and roll grey items in brunts armory until you get what you need..

[calm shard]

it's always gonna be mobility

there are very few weapons that have mobility and don't dump it

[unreal nova]

That's cos they have collateral.

[rocky aurora]

not 100% sure if there is actually a difference but I would only reroll for items if class is 30 felt like before that you get a lot more crooked stats

[calm shard]

for this class the only one you need to be aware of is the Power Sword which dumps Cleave Targets instead

[lyric path]

Also yes I am expanding out from using my beloved recon las gun

[unreal nova]

Unless looking for plasma. The stats expect so much wonk, it really makes no diff.

[calm shard]

you're only saying it makes no difference cause you don't have one

[unreal nova]

I do have one.

I showed it before.

[calm shard]

damn my gambit foiled

[turbid ibex]

I have 53

[unreal nova]

I just don't like using it.

[lyric path]

Curious the guide I just looked at the guide that @tall torrent made for the quick draw pistol the dump stat is reload speed

[unreal nova]

Oh, cos always prepared.

[rocky aurora]

guys is there a channel for group recruitment here? I would love to do the twins hard mode penance and the ingame group tool cant specify so its hard to find a group

[unreal nova]

You use it in a WS build with always prepared.

Make EVERY shot count.

Cos you only got 1 shot.

[calm shard]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum

[unreal nova]

Scroll down, LFG vox.

[rocky aurora]

ty

[unreal nova]

That is specifically for Zarona mark as well btw.

[lyric path]

Huh I use weapon specialist

[unreal nova]

Yes.

Look for the Always prepared subnode.

You rely on it to quick reload.

1 bullet, make it count.

Why only for zarona mark.

[lyric path]

I was gonna use the Agripinaa
Mk XIV

[turbid ibex]

Better 1 shot potential

And has an actual ads

[lyric path]

https://tenor.com/view/space-cowboy-spike-spiegel-gif-14035397957492859370

Anyways I need sleep and it’s already 12:42 am

Hope you lot have a fantastic fucking day

[unreal nova]

I meant it as a statement.

Not a question.

[unreal nova]

Cowboy likely dumps mobility since you gotta manually reload since is more magdump bosses in hed for funni.

[steep flower]

Dclaw too & Hsword too

[steep flower]

They always have mobility dump - reload is too important even for WS cause there will be a situation where you will shoot more & have to reload

[tame flume]

hello just joined the server wondering if anyone can answer a few questions

ábout veteran obviously

[steep flower]

Not worth running hand cannon - this mark is used as a quick bulwark/reaper/boss dmg dealer & reliable close range special killer
Trickshooter always and then i recommend run & gun for less spread
Perks i run crit chance & unyielding for max dmg vs those (its adm vs unyielding is cracked - make it more cracked ) but maniac & unyielding will be ok too
Oh and mobility dump

[unreal nova]

As in, explaining why Path says reload dump.

[atomic void]

#veteran-class is your best bet

they have a guide pinned there too

[dapper coyote]

How do i use vigilant burst Autoguns?

What blessings for the 3 round or 2 round ones

[dry cloak]

For colm mk3 its headhunter deadly accurate with flak maniac or maniac carapace

[tame flume]

im in the right place 🤣 i looked at that game , it's very comprehensive. i'm just wondering cuz i saw a guy yesterday in damnation completely annihilating everything with recon lasgun which confuses me cuz of its nerf

[atomic void]

i thought i was in zealot chat nvm lmao

[tame flume]

lol no worries

i'm just wondering how he managed thet damage output using the torrent mark especially

[dapper coyote]

The blue reccy lasgun?

Sheer number of bullets, that's all

[cursive oracle]

Well

Ask away

[tame flume]

he wasn't pumping bullets into them , just spreading his shots out snd everything fell over

[dapper coyote]

Yep

That's your avg maxxed out reccy lasgun

[cursive oracle]

what’s ur question tho

[tame flume]

i'm just wondering how exactly i'm not super experienced

[tame flume]

this

[cursive oracle]

he was probably using weapon specialist/vet ranged ability/bunch of critical chance and shit

[tame flume]

the burn procs don't seem all that great

[dapper coyote]

Remember, vets get free ammo from las crits

If that reccy lasgun is really well build, he's just having Sv_infinite_ammo 1

[tame flume]

right although the dude jjst never used his melee lol ánd was spamming dodge which i assume for crit chance buff

[dapper coyote]

Very likely

[tame flume]

i know but the sustainability is obvious jjst don't get how everything he shot died almost instantly

[dapper coyote]

Vet do have node about dodge that increase crit

[tame flume]

yeah i need to get into a habit of spamming it

[unreal nova]

Crits be funni like that.

[molten hound]

Is the regular mk 1 sapper shovel the best?

I just dont rly see a point to the folding shovels

[charred drum]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-26007803

the only shovel you need

[hollow ibex]

1-2 shotting crushers is funny

but yeah mk1 is strongest

[molten hound]

It is kind of but there's just so much shit on the screen you cant be hangin around with your shovel stuck in something

[hollow ibex]

mk3 latch is very fast

nearly instant

i really don't like mk7

the latch is too slow

[copper cedar]

Hey guys, i'm really trying to get into the lucius pattern lasgun, someone said i had to build for it, could anyone assist?

[turbid ibex]

Check the pinned guide

[hollow ibex]

specifically

use the Sniper build in the guide

guide also has blessings/perks

[quaint valve]

why didn't anyone tell me the combat blade on vet is fire?

[unreal nova]

I literally stan knoife+bistol on my TOTALLY NOT a Commissar build

[hollow ibex]

It’s aight

[quaint valve]

Biggest weakness is reach, but if you got dodging and blocking down its fun

[tame lodge]

You didn't ask 🗣️

[hollow ibex]

the main thing is that it has no cc and mid horde clear

but it does have great ST and mob

[willow prairie]

kinda fall off in havoc with the chaff hitmass

[hollow ibex]

lights hitting one poxxer at a time 😭

[turbid ibex]

If you think about it hordes are just a bunch of single targets

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-yeah-no-yeah-no-disagree-gif-16846087569315350011

[turbid ibex]

Yeah, yeah

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-wilson-hes-right-hes-out-of-line-gif-10116188132326072342

[wild vortex]

huh, I don't think I've EVER taken this little damage

[hollow ibex]

vet op pls nerf

[wild vortex]

hopefully this trend continues

I really need to improve my defensive game

[hollow ibex]

practice with exec stance

[wild vortex]

Is what I'm doing

Current doing MF too for the penance but ig I'll eventually shift to FT when that's done

[tall torrent]

wtf is wrong with helbore code this is crazy

[tame lodge]

💀

[mystic pilot]

shredder grenades to deal with horde, especially mixed

[hollow ibex]

yup

[tall torrent]

@calm shard I have started overhauling weapon sections with more detail

helbore

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah no carapace ADMs? 🤔

[tall torrent]

skipped for ranged, shown for melee

[hollow ibex]

nooooo

it'd be helpful on some guns

like vig/helbore

bolters

[tall torrent]

I'll consider it for ranged

[faint beacon]

What Cara on vigils or just data sheet showing Whats the preferable perk takes

[tall torrent]

ok I added it in to the 2 ranged weapons I've overhauled

[hollow ibex]

nice thanks

i think it's helpful to display cara adms

[tall torrent]

helbore

[hollow ibex]

even if it's only to confirm yes, recon las is bad against carapace

[hollow ibex]

dafuq

V has better cara ADM than III??

[tall torrent]

yea

[hollow ibex]

makes no sense

lol

see stupid shit like this

is why the guide is so helpful

i would've just assumed III has cara adms between V and IV

[tall torrent]

I also re-tested firerates

charge-fire attacks now consider the pre-fire charge delay (of the first shot) to give a more accurate number

[hollow ibex]

just quickly tested yeah seems like V does nearly the same damage as III

on crusher

[tall torrent]

new format also reduces num of attacks I have to write because of power_level multiplier

I can just do this for the specific attack

[hollow ibex]

so the gap in rate of fire is actually pretty substantial between V and III? 🤔

[tall torrent]

yes

III is x1.25 more dmg than V for everything but carapace

in terms of dps, V should be highest

[hollow ibex]

another casual V win

so IV has the alpha strike damage

V has the DPS

III has... ????

i always wondered why use III

maybe better breakpoints for some elites on non-crit?

[tall torrent]

better breakpoints than V

[hollow ibex]

i figured

i think with ES the advantage doesn't even matter

[tall torrent]

Yea cuz always prepared + the difference in reload time is pretty small compared to 0.2m/s extra sprint bonus

[midnight totem]

What're you guys talking about?

Recon las?

[tame lodge]

Revolver

[midnight totem]

I see

... I really miss my 20 percent sprint stamina reduction node in vet

[hollow ibex]

vet stam economy has never been better

tho yeah that was a nice node

[tall torrent]

It could be even better if they change block cost curio perks

[arctic ridge]

Once you get the ideal stat curios (& if also welcome, duplicate stat) -- is it preferable to discard-sell all the excess curios?

[unreal nova]

Keep any max stat ones at least.

[arctic ridge]

Max stat?

As in, the ideal stat?

e.g. 17 Tough, 21 Health, 3 stamina

[unreal nova]

21% hp, 17% toughness, 3 stam (410+ only).

Yeah.

You can sell anything 400 and below usually.

[arctic ridge]

So no point to hold onto anymore than, 3 curios?

Excepting, duplicates of ideal stat curios.

[hollow ibex]

yup

[arctic ridge]

k

[unreal nova]

Yep.

You want dupes in case of deciding to have seperate builds with different curio set ups.

[arctic ridge]

yea, that's what i figured. 3 duplicates each of tough, health, & stamina.

[unreal nova]

No, 3 of each is 1 build.

[tall torrent]

I would get at least 3 of each

[unreal nova]

Having more than 3 is still nice.

[west edge]

any advice for getting the penance where you dont take any melee damage for a full mission

[orchid hemlock]

Ok I got u

So

[unreal nova]

Use shout and get good with dodge. Or beg someone to help you cheese it.

[warm cove]

What's the purpose of the Mk. IX heavy sword's follow up attack?
It already has two staggering single-strike attacks that complement eachother, why does it need a third? Visually it appears like it might do more pierce damage, but it does barely any. The interenet tells me it has more range but that doesnt seem true either.

[hollow ibex]

you can get all the info you need on the first pin

but yeah it's not part of the ST / horde clear movesets

[orchid hemlock]

Alt attacks are always a combo reset

That's what you use it for

[warm cove]

How can the answer be so complicated that you cant just tell me

[warm cove]

Im not talking about the alt attack.

[hollow ibex]

something something teach a man to fish

[orchid hemlock]

Push attack you mean?

[warm cove]

Yes

[orchid hemlock]

It's just another attack

The information on the stats is in the game

Isn't IX a directional stab?

That's pretty useful at headshotting

[hollow ibex]

the PA has stagger ig

but yeah it's not used for good reason

[warm cove]

Better than the first heavy attack?

[hollow ibex]

the stagger isn't even enough to be notable

[orchid hemlock]

First heavy attack does more damage but I believe it is a drop down

That's the main difference

I haven't used heavy Sword in soo long so I don't remember the combos for different enemies

[hollow ibex]

for mk ix it's just light -> [HH] forhorde clear

for ST it's [special -> heavy]

or you can reverse the ST combo too

[umbral scaffold]

I guess the use of the PA can be to just lead into the horde heavies while making space

Some use, though not for the attack itself

[ember halo]

As a heavy sword main, I’ll say the push attack is great for a quick headshot. Will usually off any gunner or rager in one stab. It’s great if you’re overwhelmed by a rager patrol and are blocking/backing up and see an opening where you can get a quick kill

I usually dodge backwards while stabbing to kill target and move out of the way of any follow up attacks by nearby enemies

Note- I’m talking regular ragers, not armoured scab ragers

Also, I’m fairly certain there’s a talent in the zealot tree that increases attack speed or damage if you do push attack

So I mix it in with my regular combos

[warm cove]

0 .0

thankyou!!!

[ember halo]

Talent is called Punish Impiety

10% attack speed after push attack!

[hollow ibex]

not much of a point using a PA even in that situation

when the heavy is only a bit slower

and will allow you to headshot up to four or five ragers

setting aside the zealot talent ofc

[ember halo]

For sure. For vet sticking to just heavies is probably a good idea. But yeah, for zealot the PA becomes actually useful for higher attack speed.

I forgot I was in vet chat. Lol

[drowsy perch]

get a bunch of ogryns to surround you

or do a block build

[lyric path]

what is this feeling of using the stub revolver that it feels soo fucking good

[hollow ibex]

punchy, snappy, hits like a truck

[lyric path]

has the mobility of the recon lasgun as well

[hollow ibex]

it's better

[unreal nova]

Is pistol tier nyoom.

[turbid ibex]

Ngl i feel like all the pistol-type weapons should have run n gun built in

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver also has bullet magnetism, so the Emperor guides your bullet when it's close enough

Weapons like the laspistol don't, so if you are like me and get used to the revolver, other weapons can feel very difficult to headshot with

[tall torrent]

it's not bullet magnetism, it's a larger raycast radius

[umbral scaffold]

Elaborate immediately

[unreal nova]

Question, has anyone done guides on the sizes?

[hollow ibex]

path is rn

[tall torrent]

it's literally in the guide

[tall torrent]

hitscan raycast checks a larger region

[unreal nova]

The last time I looked at it, it wasn't there, lul.

[tall torrent]

it's been there since it went public.

[sinful elm]

its common in pve games for hitscan checks to favor the player, its just like the circle that the game uses to check your aim with is bigger than it would be in like... a pvp game

[umbral scaffold]

It's not under "raycast", so I assume it's the "hit radius" part?

[unreal nova]

Is it just numbers? I was more wondering about visuals.

Like how ppl did for L4D2 melees and such.

[unreal nova]

Because no point in favouring the AI unless brutally hard.

[umbral scaffold]

It kinda sounds like the bullet magnetism from Destiny 2

https://i.imgur.com/yGQBDGY.gif

Ugh, embeds

[tall torrent]

yea, number's been there since it went public

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent what do you use for PGL?

[unreal nova]

Don't work unless direct image links, me thinks.

[tall torrent]

hyperprop or RJ250

[unreal nova]

Hyperprop is hilariously fun, if you can aim projectiles.

Pretty good to be able to hit flying skulls and such with it back in the days.

[unreal nova]

Ah, is numbers. Was looking for a more visual guide to it.

[safe heath]

Hi I am new to the server

[narrow frost]

Hi

https://tenor.com/view/explode-you-explode-fisk4-fuck-you-explode-you-with-mind-gif-25214416

[safe heath]

My name on darktide is ornstein

[lyric path]

Wait does it actually

[hollow ibex]

no

it's just a bigger hitbox basically

[umbral scaffold]

But wasn't bullet magnetism basically that?

[hollow ibex]

they aren't quite the same thing tbf

bullet magnetism suggests that if you miss slightly, the bullet will lock on and hit the enemy anyway

the very niche scenario where a bigger hitbox would result in a different effect

is there are enemies which are adjacent to each other, or close to the line of the raycast

that wouldn't have been hit if it weren't for the wider raycast

but because you have a bigger hitbox on the bullet, they get hit

bullet magnetism wouldn't help you there

[keen wharf]

ok this game is smoking something. 11.5k with Heavysword?

[tall torrent]

it's ok, RJ is the best AOE pgl setup tho

I prefer hyperprop for sniping priority targets & big guys

[frank basin]

DEEP SHACKLE GALACY

[full kayak]

woah! some sort of extended scoreboard?

is there any masterlist of weapon cosmetics out there? I'm tempted by the tac axe skin that's up now but I'm not sure if I like it or if I just want a tac axe skin...

[turbid ibex]

Whats a good vet bolter setup

[dapper plank]

this node feels way too mandatory

but maybe that applies to a lot of nodes on all trees 😄

[arctic ridge]

i fucking loathe the twins in quickplay.

[distant plaza]

there's a couple of cosmetics improved mods that lets you preview all the cosmetics in game

there's also the game wiki but good luck navigating it

[calm shard]

so turn off campaign missions in the mission terminal settings

[full kayak]

I feel like Vet has a lot of nodes like that tbh. Aside from keystones, most of the builds I run tend to have little significant variance because every talent is generally either great, terrible, or a tax node.

Like the two nodes that buff damage post ability use suck aaaassssss

I really tried to make them work, but the vet tree basically always has something else you could be taking to get a similar general damage boost that's not as conditional.

[calm shard]

I use marksman to 2 shot havoc 40 crushers :)

with helbore

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-happy-hyena-funny-hyena-funny-animals-spotted-hyena-gif-20546243

[full kayak]

Not to mention stuff like the +75% suppression perk, which is great IF you have a strategy for it, but in my experience suppression is better for melee pressure classes like zealot to close distance

[full kayak]

I do love the hellbore

I am aroused by the number 2, here

[calm shard]

and also CQKZ on an infiltrate build because it buffs grenade damage

[full kayak]

It's tough to measure, and I don't think it's that amazing with all weapon choices (namely pgun probably gets the least out of it), but covering fire is a fucking crazy node and I feel like I'm the only person who's noticed

15%base damage boost for allies in 8m radius of any ranged kill

Like taking an extra damage node for myself is nice, but comparing it to 45% BASE damage

[hollow ibex]

don't build for suppression

[full kayak]

Ain't that the truth

Honestly suppression is barely a positive unless you're braced autoing a huge gun line (not expecting kills, of course)

I reckon you could slap 10% ranged damage on that node and people would still not run it

[calm shard]

if only it applied to you

[calm shard]

unironically I loathe weapons having high suppression

makes it so much harder to shoot things accurately

[full kayak]

And that's probably why people still don't think much of it.

I've been playing a much more support-oriented vet for the last few days and very tangibly get to witness my damage output being nowhere near where it usually is

[wild vortex]

majority of folks don't play premades, and trusting your teammates to consistently utilize damage boosts in solo q is setting yourself up for disappointment

I am always pleasantly surprised whenever my teammates actually bail my ass if I get trapped / dogged

[full kayak]

It's hard to quantify, having to trust that my buffs are having a positive enough effect to justify not being a one man army.

[full kayak]

That's kinda why I think covering fire is crazy. There's no cooldown, it synergises obscenely well with the right keystone path (frequent weapon switching), has no real cost (especially if you're running an ammo efficient build), and it lasting for 8 seconds means that it's hard for someone to actually 'waste' it.

Ideally all you need to get the absolute most out of it is to kill one enemy with ranged every 8 seconds and catch 3 teammates in its frankly huge aoe.

As a little treat, as an advanced strategy you can sometimes kill TWO enemies, to make sure you give it to someone who's not in proximity.

[tall torrent]

Did u see the new guide weapon format I posted

[calm shard]

no

[tall torrent]

behold

this is for ranged

plasma & helbore

for some reason helbore calls a plasma ADM value
also helbore's in game inspection (and dmg table) are completely inaccurate

I also re-tested firerates

[calm shard]

yeah I know

[tall torrent]

I also remade some melee weapons' sections to now also display dmg, ADM and finesse values for each attack

[arctic ridge]

finally, passed it in quickplay.

[silent lake]

sorry I had rough night outside game last night. Wondering if cloaking vet with kraks, power falchiion, plasma gun fine for damnation

[hollow ibex]

if you're good enough, but it's not a particularly synergistic build

infil is just kinda sad

[sterile garnet]

@nova frost

the only mod i have that isnt public is the silly voice spam mod

[nova frost]

I see

[sterile garnet]

but i can send that if you want it'

[nova frost]

nah I'm good lmao

that was hilarious

[sterile garnet]

[dapper coyote]

I've started to play zealot back with lvl 1

But since my knife mastery is maxxed out as well as my shotgun maxxed out

The 1st mission scab captain didn't stand a chance against a fully maxxed out knife and shotgun zealot lmao

https://tenor.com/view/james-may-gun-top-gear-gif-2891052999326662157

[keen wharf]

nothing is more brain rotting then watching a bunch of elites you want to kill with melee only to watch a Gunner HS mow them down in 0.5 of a second.

[hallow rain]

Gotta grab him by the neck and headbutt him

[dapper coyote]

HS?

[west edge]

so i completed the penance that requires you to not take any melee damage for a mission but I in fact took melee damage, did it mean that I couldn’t take any melee health damage?

[keen wharf]

Hive Scum.

[silent lake]

I can see that but so helpful. I usually select random for match making so get out of jail free card is super nice. I keep getting ogryns that abdandon push

the 9 seconds of threat drop usually let me clear what is around and others will progress mission

[hollow ibex]

if you really want to run infil, stealth bomber is pretty much the only build with meaningful synergies

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/stealth-bomber

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625649047834714/5292FC1.MP4?ex=69877f91&is=69862e11&hm=4cbe78dacf02b42f3419ca453365b99f5ab6087fcc91b182091d10a679fa369c&

[silent lake]

I think same idea. im just using weapons I like naturally

[fair shale]

If you're good enough at the game anything works

Its just about effort youre willing to put in vs what you want to get out of said effort

[dapper coyote]

Unless its havoc, havoc has entirely different ruleset

[fair shale]

Uh

[silent lake]

mhm. Just curious because only did one damnation match so far. was told I was doing well. i use mine because trying to cover gaps I saw in heresy

[fair shale]

You say that but we got dudes running around H40 solo with off meta set ups

You literally just have to be better.

[fair shale]

And what gaps did you see?

[dapper coyote]

Also im just bullying the captains in the 1st mission with my fresh zealot now, so many lvl 1s are trying to merge strike team with me lmao

Maxxed out shotgun with maxxed out knife,

Yeah, that captain fucking dies in 2 mins or less

[silent lake]

ignoring horde or opposite. staying on backend and not progressing mission

[fair shale]

Yeah, that's common.

You'll notice that uh, eternally lol.

[silent lake]

yeah. why I cloak for safety. i am used to gun switching and only need a kill to proc melee buff

usually get teams of 3 people focusing on five mobs and I get 2 hoardes coming at me

five are not even specialsits

[fair shale]

Aye, that's normal.

[mental barn]

Does anyone here have a strong opinion on the best toughness talent to start with?

[fair shale]

Iron Will lol

[mental barn]

I usually run 2 but want to experiment running only 1

[silent lake]

I figured normal out. why here to see how others deal with.

[fair shale]

Unless you mean like

[dapper coyote]

Iron will

[fair shale]

Up top

Then it's uh, Confirmed Kill for pathing

[mental barn]

Interesting, i thought it would be the ranged weakspot kill one

But thought i will ask since i also am bad at thinking good

[fair shale]

That's my personal favorite but the higher you get in difficulty the more elites and specials are spammed

So CK works without requiring aim

[silent lake]

cloaking feels near needed because keep getting people that take 3 minutes for servoskull

[mental barn]

And I presume krak grenades do not count as weakspot kills

[dapper coyote]

I like cloaking to res people

[mental barn]

So i need something that works with them probably

[fair shale]

No lol

[silent lake]

I do that too

[dapper coyote]

Ogryn suddenly freeing himself from the prison

[fair shale]

Or they do not protect you which is equally annoying

[dapper coyote]

Is very funny to think about it

[fair shale]

The issue with cloak is that zealot just kinda does it better

And VoC/ES are so good

[dapper coyote]

Captain, the ogryn freed himself from the netting,

Ah yes, thats so true my adjutant, so true

[silent lake]

cloak and 90% threat reduction for like 9 secodns afteer. I should have done well in time. annoying is when they stand on me while cloaked and i get chipped

[mental barn]

Shhhhht we need to maintain the illusion ES sucks so it gets buffed

[fair shale]

We don't have to

Enough people think VoC is the end all be all

[silent lake]

oh. umm. cloaking sucks ass. basic pxwalker ignores

[hollow ibex]

not at all

[silent lake]

always leads to my back door getting stuffed by nurgle

[fair shale]

You'll get there in time.

[silent lake]

giving false roasts so it gets boosted.

[fair shale]

FS is gonna do whatever they wanna do.

[silent lake]

so not kill something and use melee boost? i only read weapons names and guessed

I usually get hoarde duty so built around that

[hollow ibex]

the build has synergies between WS + primary/secondary weapons

and infil + frags/bleed

krak has basically no synergy with infil

[silent lake]

I ahve 4 and they recahrege over time. is for armor clumps

or when someone tags demonhost

[hollow ibex]

sorry, that doesn't change anything that i said earlier

[silent lake]

that is correct. you are pushing numbers and gameplay that I stated is not important to me. You missed mark and keeping that intact

[hollow ibex]

wat

[fair maple]

aight
I feel like I have a hot take as I grind Hive Scum oddly enough

... why exactly did they have to give our jarhead boys a five second cooldown on getting like two bullets back on a kill if they give HC a permanent, 0 cooldown ammo replenish :(

[hollow ibex]

vet fulfills a different role tbf

but yeah hiv is pretty stupidly powerful rn

[fair maple]

the only criticism I have really for hive scum is less even about hiv, and more about just... Crushers.
I hate em XD I'll take buggy ass poxbursters before I take Conga Line Crushers

[dry cloak]

Crushers are a strong point and a weak point

Strong point literally

[fair maple]

idk, my favorite build was to play basically a las-machinegunner. Made me sad when they added the cooldown

[dry cloak]

And weak point because spamming armour became a thing

[dry cloak]

You can still do that no problem

Take 6c recon las max crit and go to town

[fair maple]

the fact I legit get more startled seeing maybe three crushers than I do seeing anything short of a Daemonhost, and then I go into an Auric Maelstrom and see upwards of nine of them doing the macarena shoulder to shoulder- yyeeaahh XD

[fair maple]

Hmmm... I see

mind throwing a build my way if you've got a Lantern setup put together?

[silent lake]

you probably missed full context. I do not chase metas, go for fun

[dry cloak]

I dont have but can make it quickly

[silent lake]

so video of do this is exact opposite of want. I look for tweaks to current build

[hollow ibex]

i mean if you get off on running suboptimal builds, the more power to you

not my fetish

[dry cloak]

Dump mobility

Ah fuck

It didnt save

[fair maple]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3392281

[silent lake]

looking up being prime 100% of time was teenage me

[fair maple]

appreciate it

oh-

lol

[dry cloak]

Have it that way

[fair maple]

noice

[dry cloak]

8 points to spend for yourself

Dunp mob

[junior grail]

Can someone suggest an infantry lasgun build? Specifically mk2b

[dry cloak]

Yes. I suggest not using it

[junior grail]

Pfffft

[south river]

There's an Inf lasgun build in the Veteran pinned guide and on Ainz gamelantern

[junior grail]

Thankies

[south river]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a09c2902-9171-4919-b4f3-ca8c355c9cb3/dn-build-mk2

There's @narrow frost 's build

I've used it and it's quite fun

You're basically a mid-range sniper looking for headshots

and using your melee to stagger enemies

[livid crystal]

What are the best blessing for the recon lasgun

[wild vortex]

Dumdum Infernus

[tropic halo]

How about you stop being a dumdum

Beforei I go infernus on you

[hearty snow]

wait a fucking minute

THERE ARE FAST HELMETS IN THE 40th MILLENIUM??

[tepid otter]

nah theyre all slow helmets

[slender elm]

Welp im playing sm2

Parry spam and styling on bugs

[dry cloak]

Cool

[slender elm]

I figured out there's 3 different parry timings based on weapon marks and it finally worked

Also the execution distance is like 3 meters so you can press e and be invulnerable while you run at the poor sod and then rip his face off

[dry cloak]

I prefer balance

[slender elm]

I take block and reflex perfect block shit

Pretty great ngl

Parried a helbrute to death actually

Extra parry damage goes hard

On the other hand, their discord is a cesspool and its hard to find info

[lyric path]

hey could i use an opinion on what i should use my last talent point on?

[tame lodge]

Precision Strikes

[dry cloak]

Eh i dont like block weapons

[fluid rune]

The 15% damage to elites

[slender elm]

Superiority complex

Not taking that is very sad

[slender elm]

Fencing weapons a bit too spammy for my liking

[formal hamlet]

Man, nothing beats jumping onto the recon lasgun build and just mag dumping everything.