Also, if you don't like plasma... Don't run it
#veteran-class
narrow frost
You said flamers and trappers get you/your team the most
What about the revolver or shredder auto?
Those do great maniac damage
strong fox
yes more or less those flamers, even though i keep watching backline soimetimes it just wipes us
I run the bolt pistol is that any good?
or should i change to revolver
narrow frost
It's good but more of a buff stick then weapon
You really only take it for lethal proximity buff
Because there are way better damage dealers then it
sly orchid
Helbore bolter plasma
steep flower
What about the revolver or shredder auto?
Ainz you’re built different; don’t recommend shredder for newer players 
Unless thats your intent to spread the shredder propaganda 
steep flower
or should i change to revolver
Both good; both viable for vet
Try both & see how they compare 
full garnet
it is very inconsistent but at best the demonhost will still change alert stages after you leave smoke, and at worst you will trigger it while in smoke
so yes it delays, but it will never allow you to move past it for free
unless we're talking about h40, which I am guessing the original dude asking the question is not playing, bolt pistol can reliably kill every special and elite with one crit body shot except mutants, ogryns, and maulers
but in any case rev is good, just stricter
strong fox
thanks for responding guys, i will try to use boltpistol and recon lasgun and practice to death until i become a better veteran, i guess using ogryn arbites and zealot gives you bad habits of just literally facetanking everything
full garnet
it definitely does
although a lot of it can be undone by just spamming dodge whenever you hear the backstab sound effect
and dodgle sliding in general is also very effective
and also lowkey vet can often be more tanky than zealot because of VoC and iron will lol
little fog
thanks for responding guys, i will try to use boltpistol and recon lasgun and pr...
I've seen that behaviour in a friend as Zealot can face tank a lot.
They're learning Vet themselves and finding it more difficult to stay in the fight than usual.
brave acorn
Or you can play like I do and face tank the horde whether it’s a good idea or not
noble epoch
it definitely does
although a lot of it can be undone by just spamming dodge whe...
I always block push and dodge at the same time when I hear the sound and then check what is attacking me
desert viper
what makes Rashad really good on vet
I've been trying to get used to it but I don't like when it stops cleaving enemies in a crowd
I got momentum to help with that, but
still happens
noble epoch
Also is there any vet talents that work kinda like the zealot stamina on crit perk?
tame lodge
what makes Rashad really good on vet
Kills everything at a reasonable time
wispy sorrel
tame lodge
Also is there any vet talents that work kinda like the zealot stamina on crit pe...
Focus Target and Marksman Focus node
Also weapon specialist thing
obtuse finch
anyone got any good sneaky-beaky builds?
been running voice of command for tooooo long
stiff glacier
ive ran this mostly. not optimized but worked fine in aurics
dry cloak
Looks fine
slender elm
no melee attack speed and no tinkerer is kinda eh
stiff glacier
i feel tinkerer is no mandatory with frags
slender elm
what gun u runnin?
stiff glacier
infantry auto usually with that but double barrel works well if taking the ammo talent from weapon specialist
revolver too
slender elm
i wouldnt take the extra ammo node then
slender elm
its kinda shit ngl
dry cloak
It may be
stiff glacier
trench fighter decent pick if dropping extra ammo
dry cloak
Let man enjoy homself
narrow yacht
its kinda shit ngl
the weapon or the extra ammo
slender elm
the weapon
stiff glacier
yeah most dont like falchion
narrow yacht
well unfortunately i do so i'll keep playing it, don't play my vet above aurics so not the end of the world not having the best weapon
stiff glacier
do so
always run what you prefer or like
you'll do better that way
than force something that doesnt click
dry cloak
I prefer 2b ,,the round one,,
stiff glacier
is it the one which's light attack string ends with stab
dry cloak
No
narrow yacht
i didn't even look to see there was marks but i'm using the mark 1
it ends with the stab
stiff glacier
yeah i like that one over 2b
stiff glacier
im more of a combat axe guy but for havocs its been 24/7 chainsword
stiff glacier
its fun when you get the passive reload skill
just blast someone, swap to couple melee kills and blast again
surreal sentinel
Yeah. And then the +12% recharge speed for the ability on my Curios means I'm running around like a maniac killing everything in sight.
slender elm
misused to hell
forest lagoon
man why did i wait so long to try the power falchion
It looks cool but it's mid
forest lagoon
Recon lasgun
Funny laser pointer
surreal sentinel
Who's the bad Hank?
serene pawn
Who's the bad Hank?
Why did you need to ask that
surreal sentinel
Why did you need to ask that
You said you named him the good Hank.
serene pawn
The bad Hank is the worst comisar in the war hammer40k darktide seting
He eats babys that how evel he is
serene pawn
Ok
forest lagoon
He eats babys that how evel he is
serene pawn
😭😭😭💪
narrow yacht
well i'm sure corpse starch has the occasional baby thrown in the batch so we all eat babies, some just maybe more than others
runic estuary
surreal sentinel
SILKSONG RAAAAGH!
turbid ibex
tall torrent
unless we're talking about h40, which I am guessing the original dude asking the...
It’s quite a bit worse at breakpoints because it doesn’t get nearly the same crit chance and the base damage model is not as reliable for weakspot 1 taps
surreal sentinel
Hey, anyone got that image of the cat with the shotgun? I'm uploading my build to Games lantern.
I need a funny image.
agile mortar
so when did they make the Kasrkin helmet actually kickass?
tall torrent
Yesterday
turbid ibex
Hey, anyone got that image of the cat with the shotgun? I'm uploading my build t...
This one?
tall torrent
Epic I love it
Prob a bug tho
agile mortar
I swear to god if they change it back someone is being exploded
surreal sentinel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1140846909314052188/1170639027079217243...
Thank you!
woeful ibex
so when did they make the Kasrkin helmet actually kickass?
we have command squad too
they finally added the baseball caps
agile mortar
you know you're good when you can punch someone so hard they start bleeding out (Knife punch and that penance that gives bleed on melee attack)
tame lodge
they finally added the baseball caps
And they look good af
tall torrent
I swear to god if they change it back someone is being exploded
visor clips through so prob a bug
agile mortar
I really doubt it's not meant to be there
my bet, they'll fix whatever visor bug but keep it as a whole
tall torrent
imma get the gate pattern helmet anyway
agile mortar
why would they have a whole fucking vizor modelled on the helmet if they weren't gonna use it?
tall torrent
finally a proper kasrkin omnishield helm
agile mortar
imma get the gate pattern helmet anyway
Image?
agile mortar
wait that's just
the helmet
where can I get this?
tall torrent
helmet, torso & legs should be releasing tmr?
(backpack sold previously but might return tmr cuz they added 2 recolors of it yesterday)
agile mortar
wait that's just
the helmet
where can I get this?
^
agile mortar
welp
here's hoping someone makes a mod to keep this version of the helmet like this
tall torrent
welp
here's hoping someone makes a mod to keep this version of the helmet like t...
there's already ForTheDrip which is a client-sided mod
tall torrent
can I ask what ForTheDrip actually does?
U can customize ur cosmetics
agile mortar
yep this is mine now
tall torrent
It’s fully client sided so only u can see
Other people still see ur base cosmetic before customization
agile mortar
I'm already using weapon customization I know how it works
agile mortar
Other people still see ur base cosmetic before customization
so basically what I should do is wear a "Good enough" outfit as a base, then turn it into a masterpiece for myself
epic
tall torrent
so basically what I should do is wear a "Good enough" outfit as a base, then tur...
Yez
turbid ibex
U can customize ur cosmetics
Customization of the customization 
agile mortar
so huh
how do I
actually uh
use the mod
serene pawn
helmet, torso & legs should be releasing tmr?
Wher can I buy this outfit
It looks ameizing
agile mortar
presumably at the aquila place tommorow
analog mural
Did you even read the message?
serene pawn
No
agile mortar
welp you can't argue with that
serene pawn
Low key I just see cool armor
agile mortar
well it's justified
until then you can use the uh
This one
it's seemingly bugged to have a similar but red vizor
and for the body and leg
IDK just buy some generic green gear from Commissary
May I suggest literally just wearing the entire Killshot's Day Uniform set
agile mortar
so huh
how do I
actually uh
use the mod
@tall torrent please help
tall torrent
so huh
how do I
actually uh
use the mod
Idk I don’t use it
I don’t use unstable mods basically
agile mortar
analog mural
How about asking in the actual modding discord
serene pawn
I own this
agile mortar
great then use this
analog mural
haven't gotten a response yet
How to use it:
- Set the keybind to open the UI
- Make sure to be in 3rd person mode to change your gear's look for a better experience
- Select which slots you want the apply changes for better control (primary == melee weapon, secondary == ranged weapon)
- Change materials and apply (if the option to apply automatically isn't selected)
Commands:
- /save_drip -> save the current preset so you can load it later
- /reset_drip -> restore the default look of you gear (save before using it if you want to keep the look !)
- /refresh_drip -> re-apply the current preset in case it got overridden
Known issue:
- If you change or refresh the look of your gear in first person mode some things may appear (like candle lights), going to the 3rd person and back fixes it
- If your cursor disappear try opening and closing the window again
- If the window goes out of screen it bugs out, use the reset keybind
- Changing loadout mess the preset display in the inventory menu until it's opened again
- The eye glow some helmets disappear when the mod is on
- Can sometime crash the game when changing cosmetics
Implemented:
- Show/Hide attachments (clothes only)
- Change body masks to hide part of the body/hairs
- Per attachment changes customization (clothes only at first, I need to make it compatible with the weapon customization mod)
- Show/Hide body parts
Upcoming:
- Add hairs to head gear without hairs (like helmets)
- Named presets
- Add existing attachments to items (from owned items only, including items from other classes for human characters and some npc gear)
Planned Changes:
- adding Decals to the gear
- Per loadout preset
- Team wide preset (won't work with attachment specific changes)
- Better UI
- Custom material editor (with the existing material components, so no new color or texture)
agile mortar
oh crap tutorial
thx
analog mural
It was in the pins of the for the drip thread
serene pawn
The vizor changes the hole look
ancient nacelle
yes
serene pawn
Miku marine
turbid ibex
she has a volkite gun called miku miku beam
serene pawn
I do not know?
turbid ibex
its from a hatsune miku song
tame lodge
I do not know?
And now it's time for what you've been waiting for!
One!
Two!
Threeeeee!
Ready?
MIKU MIKU BEEEEEEEEEEAM
serene pawn
its from a hatsune miku song
I do not lison to hatsune miku songs
midnight totem
We eating well tomorrow guys?
full garnet
It’s quite a bit worse at breakpoints because it doesn’t get nearly the same cri...
we are talking about wep specialist which guarantees crit chance
and the base damage is reliable to 1 tap with non-crit weakspots
silver patrol
We eating well tomorrow guys?
why, what's happening tomorrow
silver patrol
bro we are starving, not eating well
serene pawn
Food is food
tall torrent
we are talking about wep specialist which guarantees crit chance
and the base d...
Yes, revolver still scales significantly better than boltpistol for this exact use case
I literally have their per shot damage listed in my guide
Revolver is just better for breakpoints
hollow ibex
What would win: the iconic oversized hand cannon firing a rocket-propelled projectile OR some dinky chunk of metal first assembled when the Emperor was an infant
midnight totem
So you're saying the Emperor made this holy weapon in his youth?!
vale ledge
Uh what is the best all rounder mark for the power falch
tame lodge
I think Mk1 is the recommended
clear lantern
the weird thing about a lot of the veteran commisary pieces is that the patterns don't match a lot of the time so you have to interchange sets
umbral scaffold
FRAG GAMERS
Do you find a tangible benefit to using grenade tinkerer for the frags?
I vaguely recall it being 50% in the past, but maybe I'm lighting my gas
calm shard
it's 50% with lethal proximity from boltpistol
mystic pilot
thats why its recommended on the bomber build in the pinned guide
tall torrent
Do you find a tangible benefit to using grenade tinkerer for the frags?
run it with lethal prox from boltpistol for maximum blast radius
umbral scaffold
I take it this means I need to throw the grenade and then switch to the pistol for the explosion?
mystic pilot
mystic pilot
I take it this means I need to throw the grenade and then switch to the pistol f...
just reading the guide HELPS a lot
as you can see it explain the Lethal Proximity quite well
umbral scaffold
I was checking for info on the grenade specifically, so I didn't think of checking that blessing
Odd that it would work without being equipped, but I guess even Darktide won't be consistent on stuff like that
mystic pilot
its easier to do that than
"oh I have my melee out, I need to switch to my ranged. then yeet my grenade/boom"
umbral scaffold
Definitely
distant plaza
i thought fatshark highlighting the guide in the launcher would mean less shit build vets
came across one in damnation that seemed to fill out the entire upper section before making their way down -_-
distant plaza
"Aint nobody got time for that readin' stuff"
mystic pilot
tall torrent
i thought fatshark highlighting the guide in the launcher would mean less shit b...
lol don't think most of the active people in this server even know abt it
mystic pilot
most of them just lurk
tall torrent
only ~5.5k unique visitors on it
narrow yacht
idk man i don't think i like this auric rotation right now
not feeling particularly good about any of them
ooh power supply just popped up yes please
sand spire
guys is the plasma rifle good? I only ever encountered one person using it
hollow ibex
guys is the plasma rifle good? I only ever encountered one person using it
Very good
Very boring
stark holly
its good, but it gets better as the density of enemies increases
hollow ibex
It’s just a terribly designed weapon
stark holly
in lower difficulties, faster firing but weaker guns are going to be "better"
hollow ibex
Even if it’s strong
round berry
No
He made the 1911
You heard it here first, rejects. The Emperor is an American. USA USA USA!
fluid rune
the power sword is so good. I cant survive for the life of me lmao
tall torrent
guys is the plasma rifle good? I only ever encountered one person using it
Top tier
tall torrent
Boltgun also ok
vagrant dagger
finally got the long bomb penance. i now have not one but TWO decent looking helmets
hollow ibex
Grats
midnight totem
Im starting to enjoy ghost blessing
Standing infront of two reapers, three gunners, and some shooters like, can't hit me, I ain't suppressed
calm shard
in lower difficulties, faster firing but weaker guns are going to be "better"
huh
are you trying to imply that recon las and infantry autogun are bad
stark holly
No, I’m saying lower damage per shot doesn’t matter when enemies have less health. So you would rather have faster firing rate
calm shard
oh
quick shell
I run a 70/70 and i cant be fucked to try and get better
hollow ibex
Same
narrow yacht
69/71 is so absurdly specific I just got any one with 80 on the other 3 and ran with it I can't even remember what the % was for those 2 on mine
silver patrol
people be throwing away thousands of bucks just to shoot 0.01 seconds faster
vestal lotus
Any reason I shouldn't try this class?
silver patrol
you have limited time in your life which should be spent on hivescum instead
vestal lotus
Counterpoint, broke.
silver patrol
owned
tidal fox
Any reason I shouldn't try this class?
learnin curve
vestal lotus
learnin curve
Worse than the others I'm guessing?
distant plaza
Any reason I shouldn't try this class?
you have an aversion to skirmisher's movement requirements
vestal lotus
you have an aversion to skirmisher's movement requirements
How movement
Need a 10 step plan to dodge a mutty ?
distant plaza
How movement
distant plaza
it's not...terribly difficult
there's just this 'oh, i was dealing with this horde and forgot to sprint/slide in the last 10 seconds, now muh dps dropped a bit' feeling that isn't there in the other classes
except maybe IJ zealot?
vestal lotus
Isn't there other builds than that...?
distant plaza
that don't use it? sure
it's that the lower right side of the tree is so fucking stacked for damage
silver patrol
literally free damage for playing the game, you prob shouldn't avoid it
vestal lotus
I was planning something explosive for playing vet...
silver patrol
10 seconds is just kinda nuts, i bet they will nerf it
tame lodge
Any reason I shouldn't try this class?
Shouldn't?
Uh
Hmmm
You're not big man
umbral scaffold
I wouldn't mind them lowering the duration and making it on dodge too or something like that
Maybe even having it stack immediately after starting to sprint, I dunno
At least it's better than it used to be
vestal lotus
Shouldn't?
Uh
Hmmm
You're not big man
I don't like being slow.
-# that's my one issue with le biggins. He big slow slow.
tame lodge
Then I have no reason as to why you shouldn't vet
tidal fox
Worse than the others I'm guessing?
if u get caught in melee ur cooked basically
depending on ur enemies
tame lodge
Emphasis on base though
tidal fox
especially if your team just decides to rob all ur ammo and dont care about you
vestal lotus
But tbf
Big man base sprint without stamina is faster than vet, psyker and Arby'...
It just doesn't feel fast per the pov... I mean ye
tame lodge
I totally get the animation part being slow because big = slow
tidal fox
maulers u can handle if you manage ur krak grenades
vestal lotus
Still a problem for any class
tame lodge
And it is unfortunate that you won't play Oggy because of that
tidal fox
but like 5 ragers coming at you will clear you easily
vestal lotus
And it is unfortunate that you won't play Oggy because of that
I have and enjoyed playing le biggs
silver patrol
The vet isn't vulnerable at all in melee
tame lodge
So yeah
Play vet
vestal lotus
but like 5 ragers coming at you will clear you easily
Happens to me as well in biggs but psyk ok
tame lodge
tame lodge
I need a pepe with the usual guardsmen gear
wary sigil
hollow ibex
don't rely on just your gun, use your melee too
esp for horde clear and crushers
gun can handle everything else
warm cove
I dont understand how to use shotguns, vigilant autoguns, or braced autoguns. They all just seem inferior to the infantry autogun.
hollow ibex
I dont understand how to use shotguns, vigilant autoguns, or braced autoguns. Th...
braced is pretty bad
shotguns and vig are strong
but both of those are very build-dependant
cerulean flume
Rip
warm cove
I also dont understand firearm melee attacks. Why not just pull out your melee weapon?
hollow ibex
warm cove
but both of those are very build-dependant
oh boy =w =
hollow ibex
I also dont understand firearm melee attacks. Why not just pull out your melee w...
like the weapon stock bash? it's just for stagger
warm cove
i mean, they're all good, arent they?
hollow ibex
can be useful
cerulean flume
I need to try the infantry auto
hollow ibex
vraks is a beast
warm cove
Yeah, Vraks is my boy
and i want to use some of the other but i just dont understand how they could perform at the same level.
hollow ibex
see pinned guide
it'll tell you how to build the guns
there's a lot of ways to build combat shotgun
but VAG and DB builds are fairly set
tame lodge
Iirc the Columnus has some recoil control
On a proper build you get a pretty steady weapon
warm cove
"build"?...
surreal sentinel
How good is the Power Falchion with crowd control?
hollow ibex
ok when powered
when it's off, abysmal dogshit
and the only real cc it has is just killing things
so keep that in mind
tall torrent
I also dont understand firearm melee attacks. Why not just pull out your melee w...
they're for aura and hype moments
warm cove
=w =
turbid ibex
I also dont understand firearm melee attacks. Why not just pull out your melee w...
its because fatshark couldnt think of an actually useful special and didnt feel like adding a flashlight
drowsy perch
i wish veteran had a perk that let you not get knocked/stunned while using special action on guns
i love the braced autogun but it sucks since a single hit kicks you out of aiming it
surreal sentinel
With plasma gun I don't even have to worry about that when I can just blast foes through walls.
tall torrent
i wish veteran had a perk that let you not get knocked/stunned while using speci...
u do
mystic pilot
"build"?...
Talent tree and blessings + traits on your weapons
vestal lotus
Looks fun
vestal lotus
Check pinned guide
... I see.
Maybe should be reformatted to a version that you can go to specific parts. But that's my own ick.
surreal sentinel
How bad is ammo as a dump stat?
tall torrent
Maybe should be reformatted to a version that you can go to specific parts. But ...
U can, use navigation panel on the right
vestal lotus
U can, use navigation panel on the right
am dumb.
warm cove
Talent tree and blessings + traits on your weapons
maaaan i dont need to become world's greatest darktide player i just wanna know how to use these weapons/mechanics properly so that they dont feel useless in my hands
dry cloak
You will get there someday
warm cove
<w>
so what? just keep using them?
what about things like weapon bash where i dont even understand why i would use them
tidal fox
to push groaners away from you
tall torrent
what about things like weapon bash where i dont even understand why i would use ...
U don’t need to use them
Not every special action is worth using
tidal fox
yeah i mean there's no point for the bash but it's got a use somehow
warm cove
to push groaners away from you
but you can just do that with your melee weapon, and if they get that close, shouldnt you be pulling out the whacker anyway?
warm cove
Not every special action is worth using
then why were they programmed in?
tidal fox
idk bro why not
tall torrent
then why were they programmed in?
You’re playing a FatShark game buddy
tidal fox
every game has stuff that seems pointless
tall torrent
Don’t try to make sense out of nonsense
warm cove
i never even heard of FatShark before
narrow widget
Not every special action is worth using
my goat flashlight 
warm cove
this game has tables and graphs and can tell you every little number of every single thing and some entire mechanics are just useless?
what else is useless?
narrow widget
then why were they programmed in?
left 4 dead 2 reference idk idk
tall torrent
this game has tables and graphs and can tell you every little number of every si...
Yea it happens
tidal fox
indeed
warm cove
F***
tall torrent
what else is useless?
A lot of blessings
Some classes’ certain talents
narrow widget
what else is useless?
90% of all blessings
tame lodge
what else is useless?
Combat Axe special attack
tall torrent
A lot of perks too
warm cove
😳
tame lodge
tidal fox
what is helbore good for again? just for precision on snipers?
or is there a specific build for it
tall torrent
Infinite ammo high damage 1 taps
tidal fox
with what career skill
tall torrent
Stance obviously
narrow widget
stance
tidal fox
"career skill" bro thinks he playin vermintide 2
tidal fox
Stance obviously
executioner stance only lasts 5 seconds tho does it really get that much value out of it
tall torrent
executioner stance only lasts 5 seconds tho does it really get that much value o...
Are we playing the same game wtf
warm cove
So is it even worth trying to figure out anything.
tidal fox
Are we playing the same game wtf
no way am I tweaking hold on lemme check
narrow widget
So is it even worth trying to figure out anything.
not by urself
thankfully our lord and savior sir path "Guide WIP" exe compiled all the data for us
warm cove
See pinned guide
is there gonna be a "yes" or "no" at the top of that guide?
im not in college dawg i just wanna play a game
tall torrent
is there gonna be a "yes" or "no" at the top of that guide?
No but it’ll answer a lot of ur questions about the game prob
orchid hemlock
narrow widget
is there gonna be a "yes" or "no" at the top of that guide?
bro put build templates in the guide and recommended weapon setups
tidal fox
yeah it says it lasts 5 seconds and im struggling to see how much value you can get from that
unless there's something in the talent tree that makes it last longer
narrow widget
yeah it says it lasts 5 seconds and im struggling to see how much value you can ...
it refreshes duration when u kill a marked enemy
tidal fox
wow okay so the talent tree just doesnt wanna say that
narrow widget
it does
tidal fox
that is really strong actually
wait nevermind
i just cant read
thanks though now I might actually try out the helbore
tidal fox
yeah ive been hearing that
warm cove
why do i need to read a textbook to play figure out this game
narrow frost
tall torrent
why do i need to read a textbook to play figure out this game
U don’t need to
You just have been asking questions that the guide would have helped answer
dry cloak
why do i need to read a textbook to play figure out this game
You dont. Just some mechanics will stay unexplained
tall torrent
And it’s not like u need to read the entire thing either
Just intro sections then skip to whatever u want rly
Obv this depends on how new you’re to the game
warm cove
You just have been asking questions that the guide would have helped answer
The index alone is massive. How am i going to find what i need.
Are you saying no one here has the answers for me?
tall torrent
The index alone is massive. How am i going to find what i need.
Are you saying n...
What is ur question now
warm cove
How do i use vigilent autoguns or shotguns effectively
because they all feel inferior in every way to a Vraks gun
tall torrent
How do i use vigilent autoguns or shotguns effectively
Shoot trapper/flamer/bomber/gunner in the head
Vraks mk5 inf auto is really strong yes
warm cove
elites and specialist, ok
tall torrent
I don’t think combat shotgun as good
You shouldn’t be shooting at everything in the first place
Mainly just specialists and ranged elites
warm cove
if all the weapons and choices arent equal, why are they presented as such?
calm shard
for the purposes of auric they might as well be equal
calm shard
none of the guns are unusably bad in aurics and the only ones that are noticably worse are bottom of the barrel stuff like infantry lasgun and braced autoguns
tall torrent
But for the difficulties you’re prob playing rn the discrepancy between weapons isn’t that large
tall torrent
you mean the maximum difficulty, right?
Auric is not highest difficulty
It’s second highest
warm cove
Why do things become equal at the highest difficulties?
tall torrent
Why do things become equal at the highest difficulties?
Sorry what
They’re not equal
calm shard
man I don't know where they got that
warm cove
for the purposes of auric they might as well be equal
^^^^^
tall torrent
For one auric isn’t the highest
And two if you know what you’re doing, pretty much every weapon is playable in auric
warm cove
Ok. but i dont know what im doing or how to learn
tall torrent
Some are still just clearly better tho
tall torrent
Ok. but i dont know what im doing or how to learn
What difficulty are u playing atm and what’s ur main struggle
warm cove
Some are still just clearly better tho
shouldnt they have been balanced out in game patch updates?
tame lodge
tall torrent
shouldnt they have been balanced out in game patch updates?
We kinda all wish they could lol
narrow frost
shouldnt they have been balanced out in game patch updates?
welcome to the company named Fatshark
full garnet
I mean yeah they should have been balanced but skill is typically as big a factor as equipment
tall torrent
I’d also like to tell u that this is almost the best “balance” state in the game thus far
full garnet
there are cruddy weapons but you can outskill 90% of scenarios
tall torrent
It used to be way worse
warm cove
What difficulty are u playing atm and what’s ur main struggle
Haz 2 and 3
My main struggle is... i dont understand how to use the weapons that i want to.
Sorry, i know thats not really a 'struggle'
tall torrent
Haz 2 and 3
My main struggle is... i dont understand how to use the weapons that...
What are the weapons ur using and what are u dying to
And what are the weapons you want to use
warm cove
im not dying much, im just performing poorly
Shotgun and vilgilant
also knowing when to use their alt actions
tall torrent
Which shotgun
warm cove
sorry, tactical shotgun
tall torrent
And for vig auto, use mk3
tall torrent
sorry, tactical shotgun
Combat shotgun?
warm cove
yes
tall torrent
You can check both weapons in the pinned guide if u want more nuanced answers but basically
Vig auto 3, very general purpose gun, strong ammo economy, 1 bursts every important enemy to the head
You can run it with basically all vet keystones and it’ll work well
Combat shotgun, usually either serious range spec or melee hybrid playstyle, it’s a pretty mid tier weapon
It’s mid because it’s not a reliable 1 tap on important enemies however it does have good stagger which helps somewhat
Veteran is a hybrid combat class, you’re looking at usually 5:5 melee/ranged combat split and this can shift into smth like 7:3 if you’re using guns that have less ammo (and can’t afford to shoot at everything)
calm shard
or like 9:1 in the other way on heavy ranged spec with las weapons
tall torrent
If you wanted a proper ranged focus class, psyker and hvs do it better
tall torrent
or like 9:1 in the other way on heavy ranged spec with las weapons
That is super dependent on teammates’ ability to frontline and not self sufficient
calm shard
look if they can't live with born leader and 10 stacks of CK juicing them
it was already doomed
tall torrent
No u can just be hybrid and mog everything regardless of what ur team is doing
warm cove
Thankyou for your time. You're lot more willing to help than most communities i'm used to. I'll be back.
tall torrent
Thankyou for your time. You're lot more willing to help than most communities i'...
Also check the veteran build template in the guide, it’s a good starting point to make ur own build from there
warm cove
i just wanna explore the game on my own ;-;
i already have a build i like
also i just read the entry on the shotgun and it gives no advice on how to use it at all.
tough nova
Shoot things in the face
warm cove
here we go again...
tough nova
Yea tell me about it.
lyric path
As much as you my fellow veteran mains dunk on us ex vets and stealth vets we do have our uses
austere mica
Exe is basically The Good One now
tall torrent
also i just read the entry on the shotgun and it gives no advice on how to use i...
Minimum pellet count
You want to aim down sights and shoot heads
warm cove
You can do that with every gun
tall torrent
It matters more specifically for combat shotguns
warm cove
whatever you say...
tall torrent
tough nova
"Help me but only the advice I want"
hollow ibex
also i just read the entry on the shotgun and it gives no advice on how to use i...
you can build combat shotguns broadly speaking two ways
- single target damage
- multitarget damage
for single target damage, you typically use full bore no respite
for multitarget damage, you need to get a bunch of crit in your talent tree
and then take manstopper + firefrenzy/fullbore/no respite
that being said
either way CS benefits very heavily from hitting weakspots and critting
so going heavy on crit, for example through weapon specialist, is always a good idea
oh and accataran CS is shit
only use zarona or agri CS
warm cove
oh and accataran CS is shit
then why is it there?
hollow ibex
because fatshart made it a while back
and doesn't know how to balance the game
and it got nerfed to shit
and then only buffed slightly
when zarona/agri got massive buffs
example of how to build agri
though this one is a slightly meme build lol
warm cove
why do you keep saying "build"?
hollow ibex
that's just the term for the talents and configuration of the gun you take
warm cove
Yeah of your charecter... not your gun, right?
dry cloak
Both actually
warm cove
but the configurations of guns are randomly generated
tall torrent
U can change perks and blessings on ur weapons
Only the stat roll is fully RNG where u cope with it by buying the weapon until u get an ideal max stat distribution
warm cove
this is exhausting...
tall torrent
I’m not sure how new you’re to the game exactly but this is pretty basic stuff
warm cove
im like level 25
all i wanted to know why those guns felt suboptimal when i was using them, and how to use them properly. And i havent really absorbed an answer and im worn out from all this.
What im hearing so far is that this game with dozens of different choices and customization actually has very few correct answers, for some reason
tame lodge
hollow ibex
tbf
dry cloak
@warm cove mate i suggest you lesve this server and experiment on your own hand
tall torrent
im like level 25
all i wanted to know why those guns felt suboptimal when i was ...
I did give you answers
And yes the game gives a lot of options most of which aren’t good
dry cloak
And then comeback after your second character hits 30
warm cove
second??
tall torrent
<@808472958351048746> mate i suggest you lesve this server and experiment on you...
lol nah it’s fine
warm cove
honestly thats the most comforting suggestion ive heard so far
warm cove
I did give you answers
And yes the game gives a lot of options most of which are...
im sorry but i didnt understand any of them.
tall torrent
Idk what u mean by not getting answers when I told u how they’re used, what they’re made to shoot at, and gave u ideal perks/blessings for them
Idk what else is missing
tough nova
You've already given him the spoonful you don't need to chew it for him too
hollow ibex
tbh
you're not even 30 yet
just do whatever
have fun
don't sweat the meta
you can worry about the meta after you've played the game more
warm cove
Idk what u mean by not getting answers when I told u how they’re used, what they...
i guess whats missing is how what youre telling me would be different for any other gun
walk up/stand back and shoot in head, yes
that is how you use every gun
tall torrent
don't sweat the meta
He’s saying those 2 guns underperform for him vs Vraks mk5 inf auto and he wants to play them better
hollow ibex
oh well i guess that's just a vraks 5 moment
dry cloak
Ah yes. Good ol funneling to most boring weapon in the game for the sake of dps
tall torrent
i guess whats missing is how what youre telling me would be different for any ot...
Are you building those weapons according to their strengths or are you throwing blind comparisons here
A properly kitted vig auto 3 plays noticeably different from Vraks 5 inf auto
warm cove
That just looks insane. He's letting himself get hit by an enemy while shooting one thats far away? and runs past/lets a bunch of enemies run past instead of killing them? why would you do that?
And he's spouting a bunch of code that i am not in the vicinity of understanding. That's been my experience for most of this.
Whatever, right?
guess im just a big fucken idiot and it sucks to be me.
tall torrent
That just looks insane. He's letting himself get hit by an enemy while shooting ...
Yea vet can just be played like that
Idk what your problem is here
You’re throwing blind comparisons without understanding what diff weapons are good at
And you’re so negative towards advice that’s trying to help
hexed locust
That just looks insane. He's letting himself get hit by an enemy while shooting ...
What he is talking about is not related to darktide, at all
Sounds like a story about dnd if i had to guess
hexed locust
Nailed it
The lament of the reckless attack barbarian flubbing his advantage rolls, i feel his pain
south river
"Why would someone prioritise more dangerous targets?"
tall torrent
Well no the rager was more dangerous in that specific scenario I was just playing on autopilot
Most other cases you’re not supposed to prioritize other enemies when ragers are doing combos on u
austere mica
You can afford not to give a fuck when you've got like 5 stacks confirmed kill plus exe plus out for blood
tall torrent
OfB not needed with stance being a thing
austere mica
I think i take it anyway for consistency
Though I haven't been playing much so no idea
hollow ibex
dnd sucks!
austere mica
Dnd specifically or ttrpgs
hollow ibex
yeah i actually don't like ttrpgs in general lol
austere mica
Oh so I'm allowed to have beef now
fair shale
ik people like dt movement more than vt but my god it looks so goofy sometimes
hollow ibex
i think it's mostly the fov
calm shard
assisting a smite psyker -1000 social credit
hollow ibex
TRUE
slender elm
Currently wondering if I should just change from mmf to ws on my ilas
tall torrent
assisting a smite psyker -1000 social credit
If he’s not gonna get the kills I might as well
These are all old clips tho
I have combat feed turned off now
Cuz some kills will just magically not show up in the killfeed
Feels bad
In ~3hrs we’ll find out if Cadian armor releases
hollow ibex
Cuz some kills will just magically not show up in the killfeed
LALALALALAL I CAN'T HEAR YOU
tall torrent
LALALALALAL I CAN'T HEAR YOU
I think it’s always explosive kills
It’s esp noticeable with hvs’s rocket
Half the rocket kills just won’t show up
tidal fox
which helbore variant is best?
tall torrent
which helbore variant is best?
All 3 are ok depends on preference
hearty snow
yeah thas what each mark distinguishes
drowsy perch
honestly my favorite gun as vet is the stub revolver
it feels so good to one shot basically everything on havoc
patent moth
hexed locust
oh, mods?
hybrid plover
god this is getting bad
hexed locust
oh, there we go
pseudo fiber
junior grail
He spoke like a man unjerked by James Workshop
pseudo fiber
He's craving it
agile yew
Skitarius mod is amazing with power sword 
agile yew
Any other Skitarius users? How you prefer to do the combos? Held or trigger?
pseudo fiber
Pepega got owned
Owned himself
Literal own goal
lyric path
this is a really dumb question but do born leader and infiltrate pair well together?
slate karma
James workshop and John warhammer will both come to shake dicks with you
slender elm
for sniping
Le pins, but off the top of my head u take surgical and the one that increases crit chance when you hit weakspots
past peak
Well that was an ordeal
slender elm
geez
true garden
Well that was an ordeal
A calamity, even
south river
@narrow frost Hi Ainz, I'm trying to find that Vigilant sniper Vet build you posted earlier but I can't see it in search or on GamesLantern list
past peak
A calamity, even
Wee bit hectic
heavy rover
A slightly bit worrying, if you may
undone jungle
what. why is it visored
i wouldn't even complain if it wasn't poorly clipping through the helmet
this is unmodded
undone jungle
there is glass clipping out of it on both sides. how do you even do this by accident
tame lodge
But we have no patch notes explaining
I mean
Veteran cosmetic clipping isn't a new thing
undone jungle
this clipping is
i just hopped on today to see what dogshit cosmetics i wont buy only to find out they've randomly shoved a glass 3d model into this helmet
tame lodge
But if you ask me
Probably some internal name cosmetic change that also affected this helmet specifically
But I have nothing to back this theory up
tame lodge
DRG update today
dry cloak
also snowrunner update
prime wyvern
im interested in trying bolter and falchion together
hexed arch
where did the collateral stat go on guns
silver patrol
right there
tame lodge
Not every gun has a collat stat
And I'm not even going to double check to see if my statement is correct
silver patrol
no, you are right
prime wyvern
where did the path.exe guide go? 😭
hexed arch
the big darktide guide says i need 60% collateral on my hellbore
but it doesn't have the stat only stopping power
tame lodge
Are you sure you're reading that right?
prime wyvern
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a052a1e0-39e0-49f2-8cbd-9b4fda72a1dd/brawler-commissar
I want to use these weapons, could someone evaluate the talents
tame lodge
Also no reciprocity but you have exploit weakness
prime wyvern
what about the one above
tame lodge
Pretty good
prime wyvern
ok sick
surreal rune
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a052a1e0-39e0-49f2-8cbd-9b4fda72a1dd/br...
no skirmisher
sudden cedar
@past peak 51 minutes.. not bad.
tall torrent
where did the path.exe guide go? 😭
See pinned
hexed arch
slayer build is great
prime wyvern
oh I see now
I was confused cause the previous one I read was a google doc or something, its a steam guide now?
tame lodge
Yup
hexed arch
hey where's the guy who's cracked with helbore and executioner
calm shard
huh
hearty snow
Le pins, but off the top of my head u take surgical and the one that increases c...
does the crit chance only apply to the first round
or the entire burst
orchid hemlock
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a052a1e0-39e0-49f2-8cbd-9b4fda72a1dd/br...
No iron will 😔
Trash 🗑️
prime wyvern
im using the slayer build I posted
from the pins
its going pretty well so far, I tend to keep having to go long range sniping with my bolter cause no one else will handle them though
but the quickswap midrange and closerange bolter is really fun
orchid hemlock
Slayer build?
prime wyvern
tall torrent
im using the slayer build I posted
Which has iron will
narrow frost
<@665740726474375168> Hi Ainz, I'm trying to find that Vigilant sniper Vet build...
It's the DN build one
agile mortar
weapon idea
Plasma Pistol
weaker Plasma Gun, but it doesn't blow up when overcharged (Just goes on a very literal cooldown) and maybe better ammo economy
silver patrol
nobody charges up the plasma gun so that's not really much
agile mortar
eh fair
narrow yacht
about to try my hand at on overwatch see how it goes, only one try right now
agile mortar
maybe make it another mark or a cosmetic
would at least be cool for Commissar style stuff to have a Plasma Pistol
balmy ermine
nobody charges up the plasma gun so that's not really much
I mean it does feel really good to hit a trapper square in the chest with a fully charged shot tho
hollow ibex
Waste of ammo varlet
balmy ermine
Unless a rager just eats the shot like it was nothing
But you still got to shoot it so point stands
Besides your teammates dont need ammo
And if they did they'd beat me to it
hollow ibex
Truly guardsman cannon fodder behavior
balmy ermine
Well if all the ranged and specialist enemies are dead why does the zealot or pysker need ammo?
Have 'em use some of that zeal in cqc
And I just dont share ammo with witches
You get mind powers you dont need bullets
And ogryn is just ogryn
hollow ibex
Yeah I mean let’s ignore the fact that you’re needlessly expending holy munitions and taking ammo that other members of your team would put to better use
And charging shots is just a waste of time
Not just ammo
balmy ermine
Nah
balmy ermine
Yeah I mean let’s ignore the fact that you’re needlessly expending holy munition...
Needlessly? Are you trying to insists that using our guns to kill people with guns is a waste?
And I promise mate
They are certainly NOT putting that ammo to better use than i am
If you need ammo to deal with chaff hordes as pretty much any class that's a problem
Besides I don't even run the plasma gun anymore
Its kinda mid tbh
Infantry lasgun stays winning 💪💪💪💪
balmy ermine
Needlessly? Are you trying to insists that using our guns to kill people with gu...
Actually, better yet, run down that plasma gunner and trapper line with a chainsword
calm shard
chainsword into plasma gunners having to deal with carapace heads 💀
balmy ermine
I mean its heavy attack is pretty good when you rev it up and swing it
Actually its amazing honestly
tall torrent
yea and get quadruple penetrated by the other ranged enemies
balmy ermine
But the point was using a gun to kill people with guns is the better method
calm shard
using a rev attack to kill basic elite gunners 💀
balmy ermine
I mean its badass
tall torrent
But the point was using a gun to kill people with guns is the better method
not always
balmy ermine
Not really
balmy ermine
Just saying shooting the people shooting you is usually a good idea
hollow ibex
Prob dies as often as real guardsmen too
balmy ermine
I mean you cant be doing any better
fair shale
Charge a sniper next time you see one with any melee weapon
I do
Whats that bitch gonna do try to kick me
balmy ermine
If you think its even possible to really waste plasma gun ammo
balmy ermine
While they pick off your whole team in the back?
Because the ranged character is running at a sniper with a knife?
fair shale
What diff are you in man
balmy ermine
Usually the ones where they dont miss
fair shale
Okay cause normally people know how to dodge them when you get into higher diffs
tall torrent
u can shoot ranged enemies just usually not all of them
esp if u frontline or run ahead lol
narrow frost
I remember last night I had a zealot not wanting to backup for close spawn
And he told me he was pinned down by 2 snipers
H40 btw
It was a 10 meter stretch perpendicular
Was really funny
balmy ermine
Okay cause normally people know how to dodge them when you get into higher diffs
And that is absolutely not true at all either
narrow frost
A dodge tutorial for each event would be cool in the meat grinder
fair shale
Whatever you say man
tall torrent
martyr zealot pretty fun in the event ngl
balmy ermine
I think you are grossly overestimating the capability of most of this games player base
tall torrent
just turn brain off and autopilot
narrow frost
Real
narrow frost
Chorus/book/Icon
balmy ermine
But I want to wait for a cosmetic to come to them that I like
fair shale
Whats the hook for the chorus?
narrow frost
Whatever you call it, people will know
balmy ermine
Chorus/book/Icon
THE LIGHT
tame lodge
Me playing GooDrinkerGasHuff zealot since the tree rework
balmy ermine
Wasn't a huge fan
Arbites just felt to easy
And I just cant focus on the game whenever an ogryn talks
Because its the funniest shit ever every time
balmy ermine
And he told me he was pinned down by 2 snipers
My exact point
Id argue at least 20-30% of this games playerbase probably doesnt even know how to do a data interrogator tbh
narrow frost
Yeah it's the fatshark formula
Hide/lie about information
Let the players figure it out by themselves
balmy ermine
Lore accurate because they expect us to die anyway
Survival of the fittest and all that
tall torrent
brainrot gameplay
balmy ermine
Prime example that psyker doesnt need ammo
When you can harness the power of hell itself im gonna be a bit begrudging to handover the ammo
Now a gun psyker tho
Never want one
Ever
But in the 1/1000000000 chance I find a psyker that uses a gun it is fun to watch them try to be normal
Karkin witches
tall torrent
Never want one
seems like ur mindset is pretty restricted
narrow frost
I just assumed larp
tall torrent
At least ur honest
narrow frost
Rare
balmy ermine
I just assumed larp
Its larp and ive had more poxbursters and barrels almost kill me due to a psyker not watching their fire than any other class
narrow frost
Rule #1, don't trust your teammates
balmy ermine
Zealots a close second though
narrow frost
I pop every barrel before I walk forwards and I run away from bursters if I'm near my team
But it's not the class
It's the players
balmy ermine
I try to push the busters into crowds or ogryn enemies but usually someone sees them coming towards me and goes
SHOOT IT
SHOOT IT NOW
Which is just never fun
balmy ermine
It's the players
Yeah, but I cant be bigoted towards actual people over a game
Despite the fact that I think bigotry against stupid people is completely justified
Im not an actual one
balmy ermine
seems like ur mindset is pretty restricted
And if your a gun pysker you're probably gonna be stepping on my territory as the ranged class
And now that im just not okay with
narrow frost
Vet isn't the ranged class though
spark helm
It's not like the class you're playing as can't also develop itself to be a shooter.
narrow frost
That's psyker and scum
narrow frost
It's just game facts, vet has some of the highest melee damage buffs and doesn't have unlimited ammo. Psyker and scum do
balmy ermine
It's not like the class you're playing as can't also develop itself to be a shoo...
Nah, psyker can stay on cc
balmy ermine
It's just game facts, vet has some of the highest melee damage buffs and doesn't...
Exec stance
narrow frost
Psyker also has higher finesse
balmy ermine
Marksmans focus
narrow frost
And what about those?
spark helm
Nah, psyker can stay on cc
Nobody is restricted to that perception.
narrow frost
I find it interesting what new players think
balmy ermine
And what about those?
They're literally for ranged? Specially because vet is meant to be the ranged class?
NEW PLAYERS?
narrow frost
Yeah
balmy ermine
Weird my caps locked right there
hollow ibex
NEW PLAYERS?
I’ll be quite disturbed if you’re not a new player…
narrow frost
All good
balmy ermine
I’ll be quite disturbed if you’re not a new player…
Excuse me mate?
spark helm
Dogmatic opportunism.
balmy ermine
You deadass said you can waste plasma gun ammo
hollow ibex
You deadass said you can waste plasma gun ammo
You can
narrow frost
They're literally for ranged? Specially because vet is meant to be the ranged cl...
And when I take both "ranged" abilities and keystone I do maybe 1/3 of the damage I'd do with melee
balmy ermine
That is the most incorrect take ive ever seen
narrow frost
You have to melee
hollow ibex
That is the most incorrect take ive ever seen
Not possible given all your takes here lol
narrow frost
Vet doesn't have infinite ammo
balmy ermine
And when I take both "ranged" abilities and keystone I do maybe 1/3 of the damag...
But it also highlights every single ranged, elite and specialist
narrow frost
And the melee buffs are way higher then ranged
balmy ermine
Vet doesn't have infinite ammo
Doesn't need it
balmy ermine
Maybe you're just ass?
spark helm
They're mostly getting at the scope of what other classes have for ranged capabilities rather than the rest of the reality. Veteran absolutely can steer itself towards ranged gameplay, but psyker and scum can do it to a much more dynamic degree.
hollow ibex
Maybe you're just ass?
I’m not the one using charged shots on a trapper brother
balmy ermine
"Oh no! Someone doing something fun???!??!?!?!?!"
Also it has the single best ammo economy maybe in any game ever
spark helm
Well now the segueway has already happened so np.
tame lodge
Also it has the single best ammo economy maybe in any game ever
Helbore?
balmy ermine
No the plasma gun
hollow ibex
Larping so hard he’s gone full ogryn
narrow frost
Vet can be built into having a lot of ranged buffs, yes. But is limiting himself by removing their highest damage increase which are melee based. Then you compare psyker and scum which scale ranged and melee without needing to have a different build. Vet breaks down into being the hybrid class, but if ranged is what you find fun. Go for it, I love both melee and ranged vet
tall torrent
And if your a gun pysker you're probably gonna be stepping on my territory as t...
Vet hasn’t been the ranged class for like 2yrs
balmy ermine
Explain to me how you even run out of ammo with a plasma gun
narrow frost
Higher difficulties spawn more enemies
primal zealot
anyone who thinks plasma has good ammo economy needs a brain transplant
narrow frost
Game is balanced around damnation/auric
balmy ermine
Higher difficulties spawn more enemies
Yeah yall doing something wrong then
Like way wrong
Literally never have had an issue with plasma ammo in all the auric and damnations ive ran
While still disintegrating everything infront of my team
spark helm
It's not like the person is saying anything wrong in that veteran literally has ranged gameplay baked in to its design. Wrong in terms of the sheer ceiling of what ranged class play looks like especially now but not at all wrong in noting where the class actually juices ranged. Idk understand the point of denying that just because the clout coherency is high.
balmy ermine
Vet can be built into having a lot of ranged buffs, yes. But is limiting himself...
He can also be built into melee
But literally
He has an entire skill tree
That makes him surpass every other character at range
tall torrent
Vet’s talent tree is made for hybrid combat
balmy ermine
Or branch ig
narrow frost
That makes him surpass every other character at range
Ummm
balmy ermine
Yeah he can be a hybrid
narrow frost
Have you played psyker?
balmy ermine
If you cant keep up with scum or psyker with exec stance its time to re evaluate a lot tbh
balmy ermine
Im starting to think you guys might be the vets im getting on my team tbh
spark helm
Nothing commendable is really happening but np.
hollow ibex
Probably the latter 
narrow frost
I don't mind debating with people, I'm just keeping busy
tame lodge
Explain to me how you even run out of ammo with a plasma gun
It's simple really
You have 135 ammo loaded and 135 in the reserve, you essentially have only 2 mags
Or coils
spark helm
The glaze of the day was so clean lol.
balmy ermine
It's simple really
You have 135 ammo loaded and 135 in the reserve, you essenti...
And if you cant deal with the threats that would require a plasma gun with that ammo its time to stop using ut
Do you just not pick up ammo during the mission?
tall torrent
Yeah he can be a hybrid
Vet just fundamentally is a hybrid class
tame lodge
balmy ermine
Vet just fundamentally is a hybrid class
He can be
Or you can speck into specific things
Like a sensible person
tall torrent
Ranged branch on vet is not as self sufficient as psyker/hvs because it’s much more oriented in backline sniping and you pretty much always need a good frontliner to enable u to do that
tall torrent
Whereas psyker and hvs ranged don’t need frontliner and just auto mog everything
tall torrent
And thats also a skill issue
balmy ermine
If I can dodge through hordes in exec stance with an infantry lasgun and still keeping my stance active
You can too mate
You got this
balmy ermine
Ranged branch on vet is not as self sufficient as psyker/hvs because it’s much m...
And on top of that
No it isnt
You can VERY reliably snipe from the Frontlines
And cut down the ranged enemies before the horde gets to you in just about 90% of the missions
Some less so
But once again
Its a TEAM game
You're meant to work
TOGETHER
tall torrent
It’s only rly a team game in havoc
turbid ibex
It’s only rly a team game in havoc
Ye
balmy ermine
Its unprecedented
narrow frost
With how the audio and slot system works playing right next to each other actually gets you killed alot
Like your burster example a bit ago
balmy ermine
With how the audio and slot system works playing right next to each other actual...
Not what I said mate
Not at all actually
working together doesnt mean everyone is shoulder to shoulder like a riot squad
It means utilizing different skillsets to achieve the best outcome
narrow frost
Fair enough I did assume because that is a common misconception
balmy ermine
And i still dont see how psyker outclasses an even moderate vet with exec stance