veteran-class

[frigid rover]

local man discovers the veteran class?

[unreal nova]

Excuse me, Vet can spec into horde goes boom.

[simple birch]

Are there certain weapons that outshine the rest

[unreal nova]

Power Sword. Plasma Gun. Dueling Sword. Bolter. If used correctly anyway.

[simple birch]

I see, but all around the rest are okay/still viable to use?

[tepid otter]

Some of them fall off at higher difficulties

It still works but you know, could be better type shi

[unreal nova]

Technically Hellbore counts, but it's very very niche and relies on having actual teammates to keep the horde off you while you peep shot things.

[simple birch]

I understand, is there a common thing to grind towards I picked up the game but I'm kind of lost in a way on what to do

[unreal nova]

Not really. If you just started, I suggest you just play around with everything to get a feel of them.

It's more important to be comfortable than it is hard meta.

Cos you could take meta but suck at it because of conflicting playstyles or feel.

People generally do better with things they feel better with.

[tepid otter]

Can't go wrong with a shovel

[simple birch]

Yeah I getcha I getcha, thank you twin

[slim pagoda]

TEAR THE KARKERS TO PIECES

[native hamlet]

kark off ya karkin' karker

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[tepid otter]

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[molten igloo]

pallas

[hexed arch]

me when the tide is dark

[lusty fog]

So power sword is meta huh

Interesting

Cuz my goal is just to get powersword

And the bolters

I'm not rly into the rest

Maybe if ppl complain enough they'll buff it slightly to hit breakpoint

The bolt pistol I meant

[tepid otter]

Bistols aight, despite what people think imo

[lusty fog]

Also does optimizing mean hitting 80% damage or something else ?

[tepid otter]

Depends on the weap

[azure narwhal]

With the veteran pathing + focus target it easily does what you'd want it to tbh. Without crit or unyielding bonus you can two tap reapers on head

[tepid otter]

But most times its 80% on everything else and 60 on the dumpstat

Which is often Mobility

[azure narwhal]

Optimizing your weapon means getting the correct dumpstat and blessing + perk needed for breakpoints/utility

But yeah

Very personal to the weapon

[lusty fog]

Yeah on the bolt pistol, cuz karien said it would not one shot enemies on above malice

Due to breakpoint

[tepid otter]

You can't one shot most enemies with certain weaps anyway

its just something you play around in higher diffs eventually

[azure narwhal]

Lethal proximity and puncture, flak + maniac, dump mobility and you'll be fine. Up to you what you use it with, lethal proximity boosts grenade radius so you can build around that, or you can go for a classic FT build which is my preference, to never struggle with the aforementioned breakpoints

[tepid otter]

FT's pretty goated yeah

[tough nova]

No but two shots are consistent and fast/easy enough if you reset your aim quickly between shots. The way lethal proximity interacts with your shredders is the primary reason people take it. Its decent enough shooting elites but that radius buff gives you a lot of damage/control.

[unreal nova]

It's meh if you exclude the Lethal Prox statstick part.

Needs a slight damage buff imo and the recoil fix.

[tough nova]

That recoil issue is a feature at this point

[acoustic cape]

The power falchion isn't bad either

[unreal nova]

You need to minmax for it to breakpoint is what I said. If you run hybird, you may not have enough to hit that point.

Especially if you grab all the 'nade nodes.

Since you'll be running down right. People will say you want the left side ranged damage and weakspot damage for bistol to hit the breakpoint.

It's still okay if you are fine with 2-3 shots to kill.

[tough nova]

I've been really enjoying exe stance bistol. You guys put me onto exe it feels great.

[unreal nova]

But the thing with bistol is as said, lethal prox for your shredder frags.

You are better off using another gun if not planning to run shredder frags.

Or impact 'nades on arby, or blinders/boom bringer for scum. Boom Bringer with Lethal prox is stupid.

Because the bistol by itself is just meh. Or Commissar cosplay only.

[sweet coyote]

Been really enjoying the power falchion tbh. Everyone says it's so mid, but it's really fitting my style

[turbid ibex]

So youre saying

Your style is mid

[tepid otter]

I like it too tho

[unreal nova]

It is mid, does not stop one from using it though.

[fair shale]

I'm ngl the mid option are normally more fun

[mystic pilot]

that'll have to do

[lusty fog]

2-3 shots for elites ? i can still 1 shot ranged normal dude right ?

[unreal nova]

You shouldn't be shooting hordes with it though. 2-3 shots is elites and specials. Only sniper is a guaranteed 1 shot in the head.

That guy is paper though so expected.

[lusty fog]

well if they shoot me at range, i have no choice but to shoot them

[unreal nova]

Or you slide to them and stab.

Wait, you using power sword, might be too slow.

Since I run knoife.

[lusty fog]

wild

i'm not really a fast player either

i've been using controller for 8-9 months

[unreal nova]

No, power sword mobility just sucks lul.

[unreal nova]

I'm on controller.

Gamesir T4Kaleid specifically.

[lusty fog]

yea, i've never used them before that

i got T4Kaleid too, & cyclone 2

i thought TMR stick would improve my aiming but tbh, i didn't feel any different

anyway unlocked the powersword, it feels great

u can only power up for 1 hit at a time tho

lol

[unreal nova]

To be fair, it should last longer but eh, 5 years is already pretty good for one considering I had an Xbox stick drift after a week.

[unreal nova]

Need power cycler.

[lusty fog]

what's that ?

[unreal nova]

Blessing.

[lusty fog]

ohhh i see

gotcha

[unreal nova]

VERY IMPORTANT ONE.

Like, must have full stop.

Like, people may argue on the second one, but the first? Yeah.

[lusty fog]

hmhm

[hollow ibex]

basically a blessing tax

[narrow widget]

cherry on top for pre rework vet

[turbid imp]

Infantry las gun bayonet when?

[mystic pilot]

Spearhead Boltgun. Getting Puncture. Which of the 3 for second blessing?

[quick shell]

do you want to aim, or hipfire

[tough nova]

I prefer pinning

[orchid hemlock]

I use pinning usually

[mystic pilot]

so brittleness works?

[shell bane]

Crew is the chainsword any good or nah

[unreal nova]

Basically useless against anything important.

[shell bane]

What about horde clear

[unreal nova]

Not mixed, is good.

[shell bane]

I'm trying to run savage sweep and rampage from the guide on MK IV but even my boltgun does a better job

[unreal nova]

Mixed, it goes downhill.

[shell bane]

Or maybe I'm just too used to the power sword

[quick shell]

chord is just mid as fuck

it's basically only good at killing poxwalker hordes

[shell bane]

I just wish it had an MK for crowd and for singletarget only

[vestal widget]

it has extremely fast kill speed for the least important category of enemy

[shell bane]

Because having a vertical sweep in the middle of a cleave is annoying

[hollow ibex]

mk13?

it's not that bad

the attack speed makes up for it

[shell bane]

They both have verts and cleaves in the same combo

[hollow ibex]

yeah doesn't matter really

and mk4 exists

if you want a moveset that's just horizontal slashes for horde clear

[shell bane]

Either I'm doing something wrong or I don't have time to charge em before I get hit

Also unrelated but how do I get my medkits to remove corruption

[azure narwhal]

Field improv

[mystic pilot]

COrruption can be healed away if it doesn't consume a whole health bar first

[flat night]

Is the dueling sword still the best melee weapon in the game?

[unreal nova]

Kinda, sorta? It's still good yes.

[flat night]

Which melees are better?

[shell bane]

Power sword

[unreal nova]

Power sword. FGS (Psyker).

Well, deimos/obscurus will also beat it on utility alone.

But yeah.

But vet is power sword.

[vagrant dagger]

What makes the power sword better? i finally got one today and tried it in the dev room and it just seems worse than my chainsword in every way

[unreal nova]

Power cycler and sunder?

You can swing through a horde of crushers.

If built correctly, kill them.

[vagrant dagger]

those are blessings i assume? yeah i used it the way it dropped from the mission

[unreal nova]

Then it might be crap.

Cos you kinda must have power cycler.

[hollow ibex]

if you don't have it built properly it's going to be trash

[vagrant dagger]

ok thanks

[shell bane]

You need to press m3

And have power cycler

It obliterates everything

[vagrant dagger]

i know about m3
i use a chainsword remember

[shell bane]

The only downside is that it doesn't have a parry and doesn't shoot bullets

I'm running chainsword after maxxing my power sword and the cs feels like utter dogshit

[orchid hemlock]

Bruh turn it on

[hollow ibex]

where's that path clip

#veteran-class message
#veteran-class message

[shell bane]

My question is how does he charge the heavy attack so fast

And why does he keep doing the push on the boss

[orchid hemlock]

I don't see a single heavy attack

[shell bane]

Ok then explain how he staggers the ragers so easily

[orchid hemlock]

He just light attacks

[hollow ibex]

yeah that's just lights

ps6 doesn't really use heavies

[hollow ibex]

push attack light light is the single target combo

[vagrant dagger]

because of how chained animations work, every melee has an "optimal" sequence with max dps
and i assume the power sword's single target sequence is push into 3 lights

[hollow ibex]

and it's extremely powerful

[shell bane]

Okay noted

[hollow ibex]

you can get 6k+ dps against crushers with that combo

[orchid hemlock]

Push attacks are also very good at being accurate to what you are aiming at

I know it's hard to believe

But PS is just giga broken

I have a hard time believing it sometimes

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[shell bane]

What's the difference between push and push atk

[tall torrent]

Different attack chains

Check pinned guide I have them listed

[shell bane]

Yeah I'm looking at the guide and the only thing I understand is the swing direction and attack order

[hollow ibex]

push is just that

you're shoving heretics in 360 degrees around you

so it applies light stagger to enemies

[tall torrent]

They chain into different attacks

[hollow ibex]

and does no damage

PA is an attack

[orchid hemlock]

Push knife but without the follow up 😈

[shell bane]

How do I trigger a push atk

Instead of a push

[hollow ibex]

push then keep holding down lmb

instead of letting go

[silver patrol]

didn't you play the tutorial

[hollow ibex]

and then the attack will come out

and then you let go

[shell bane]

Ohhh I see

[hollow ibex]

do they even teach it in the tut?

PA that is

[silver patrol]

i think they do

[shell bane]

I don't think they do

And if they do I forgot about it

[orchid hemlock]

Tutorial weapon combos:

[shell bane]

So are all 3 of these mark VI or is III viable for something too

[tall torrent]

Wdym

Power sword only has 2 variants

[shell bane]

I meant the videos

All 3 of the videos

[tall torrent]

Mk3 is not as good as mk6

[shell bane]

Noted

Does the guide say which combos do the most dps or nah

Cuz now I wanna figure out if there's a good one for chainsword too

[tall torrent]

I’m pretty sure I listed combos for every melee weapon included

U just gotta actually read

[shell bane]

Yeah it says the combos

I can see that

But like does it say anything about the combo on the power sword being busted or is this such an exclusive situation that it doesn't need to be said

[plain forge]

honest question: Power Sword or Power Falchion?

[hollow ibex]

guide doesn't really comment on the power of weapons too much

[hollow ibex]

power sword is much stronger

falch is niche

falch's easier to use but has some pretty bad downsides

[shell bane]

Fair enough

[hollow ibex]

i mainly only use falch as a sidearm on ranged builds

[tall torrent]

If I explicitly said how strong each attack combo is I’d have 90+ clown awards

[shell bane]

Why

[hollow ibex]

casuals consume too much mr. e and tanner

and people don't like being told that their favorite grifttuber is wrong

[hollow ibex]

maybe you should've

now you can't get clown awards anymore 😭

[shell bane]

Yeah clown awards are gone I think you can do it now

[tall torrent]

Nah

[hollow ibex]

you're back to 5 stars

no more clown awards anymore

just this generic feel good emoji slop

[tall torrent]

I was actually considering making a server for people to give feedback

[dry cloak]

its a idea

doubt you could get feedback channel here

but if you could it would be nice

[tall torrent]

no chance lol

[dry cloak]

yeah

[hearty snow]

is a dueling sword parry spamming build for elites or bosses a thing

[sharp epoch]

I think the parry is a bit weaker than dclaws

[dry cloak]

not really

your better of using normal attacks on ds

bubberyy tou are correct

[hearty snow]

oh is devils claw the sword for parry builds

[unreal nova]

You parry if you are about to get hit or do it while dodging on the off-chance you still get hit.

[dry cloak]

parry builds are not really a thing iirc

devil claw is a weapon

[hearty snow]

i saw a guy just spam parry during the kharnak twins boss fight and he seemed to be mogging them

[dry cloak]

on the worse end

[sharp epoch]

yes, I've seen it done but it still takes forever to kill bosses and crushers

[hearty snow]

literally clutched the game for everyone

[dry cloak]

thats just the parry

now lets talk about the rest

that being rather low damage into flak

and up

if you want to learn devil claw you will learn the basics rather fast

[drifting verge]

What’s a good gun to have for a weapon specialist melee build

Something quick punchy and ammo efficient

[hearty snow]

im still consulting the guide from hammer of the emperor and so far the bomber build seems to be the one im loving a lot

just melee horde and bolt pistol for specials, but it seems like the grenade spam is sort of just an undercurrent?

[dry cloak]

shotguns boltpistol revolver

[drifting verge]

Any specific shotgun in mind?

[dry cloak]

you should be lobbing grenadies like crazy

[hearty snow]

atp i should just gun for the weapons specialist build all the way

[dry cloak]

db zarona or agrippina

[unreal nova]

You throw 2 at big masses before stabbing or shooting.

[hearty snow]

yeah but after chucking 4 im out for 4 minutes - when i see a grenade box

[dry cloak]

you took grenade regen

good

[hearty snow]

4 minutes is like a lot

[unreal nova]

Demo team?

[hearty snow]

i dont know

but tbh whats the definitive weapons specialist build

[dry cloak]

karien if hes using paths build is probably in

[drifting verge]

Alright one more question
Set up for the Agrippina

[dry cloak]

flak maniac no respite full bore

use special shell

[drifting verge]

Boo sorry last question I swear
Shotgun Mark

Oh wait nvm

Thought they were all Agrippina just different Mk

[dry cloak]

zarona and agrip are marks of combat shotgun

[drifting verge]

Oh ok which would you say is best for weapon specialist

[hollow ibex]

double barrel

[dry cloak]

mate

i gave you a choice

all 5 guns are good

[drifting verge]

[dry cloak]

depends on the stuff you want to use

like

start thinking

reading stuff

become a better player

so you can help other people at some point

[shell bane]

Or just look at guides lol

[hollow ibex]

zarona's basically a discount DB tbh

[dry cloak]

those may not always be up to date

[hollow ibex]

agri is more single target focused

[shell bane]

Agri is fun as fuck

[hollow ibex]

DB has the best synergies with WS of all the shotguns

[shell bane]

Idk if it's the only one with the slug though

[hollow ibex]

it is yeah

[dry cloak]

agrip

all co,bat shotties have different special shell

[tall torrent]

mine so far is

[dry cloak]

ogrynomicon isnt because kerf got sucked into some other games and hank does life. such it is

[tall torrent]

if people want it I can add og to my list

[dry cloak]

least we can do is spread info throu word of mouth

[dry cloak]

nah

do what you want

[hollow ibex]

tanner was right all along 🙂‍↕️

[dry cloak]

eh?

[hollow ibex]

ogrymonicon bad

[dry cloak]

ah

[unreal nova]

I dunno. I never looked at Path's builds. Is why Path reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees at my builds. I'm missing all the BP for my want for certain nodes.

[tall torrent]

I don't do that at ur build

[unreal nova]

Well, you said it was bad because I pathed Field Improv and Serrated at the same time, remember? XD

[tall torrent]

idek what ur build is now lol

[unreal nova]

And a few other janky choices.

It's still the same, lul.

[tall torrent]

and if u expected me to get hung up on a bad build for long ur expecting a lot out of me

[unreal nova]

Oh no. I don't think you really cared. Still, take pride in the mess I run.

[tall torrent]

yea so why keep bringing me up lol

[unreal nova]

Because it's funny how you called it bad. Well, to me... IDK. Maybe I'm weird. Also, if you are curious. This is the current version of the mess. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e21fbd7-c703-4fcf-845c-26b1540095b9/boomies-shredder-frags-edition

I sometimes run 10% rending over born leader if I know I can get away with it.

[tall torrent]

I kinda just never cared much

it's not my fault boltpistol is abysmal dogshit

[unreal nova]

Oh, guess the mental voices were wrong then.

[unreal nova]

I mean, we all know it's meh at best if it didn't work on 'nades.

[tall torrent]

no

if it didn't work for explosions it wouldn't be meh at best

it'd be bad at best

and I don't think boltpistol even gets into top 7 ranged anymore for vet

it might not even be a top 10 ranged weapon for vet, even with the explosion radius bonus

[unreal nova]

Mostly cos it got left behind and not buffed. That and people use kraks now./

[tall torrent]

nah it's just a fundamentally badly designed weapon

I think boltpistol is rated higher for zealot & arb

cuz zealot doesn't have many good ranged picks

and arb doesn't get many good long range picks

[quick shell]

I might possibly start running frags in rotten armour ngl

[tall torrent]

vig auto for arb still mogs boltpistol tho

[quick shell]

some guy was doing it earlier and the damage to the ragers and maulers looked pretty good

[narrow frost]

rot doesnt effect explosions or dots

so yeah its good

this reminds me of this

I ran frags

he wasnt happy

[calm shard]

oh nooo you ran the second best grenade in the game for rotten armor

how DARE you

[unreal nova]

I assume the first is Boom Bringer or chems?

[calm shard]

krak grenade...

shredders are actually probably better for huge packs

since they have a bigger radius and can get rid of their damage resistance

[unreal nova]

Ah. Probably gotta drop 3 to max out bleed.

[calm shard]

just one or two should be fine

you aren't trying to kill the crushers/maulers with it

you're just trying to do damage to them so they're not full health and take more damage

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but if it's a big enough pack, you might want to drop them faster so you don't... errr... meet 14 overheads in a row.

[unreal nova]

Oh. I just think it needs a more damage and like, actually fixing the recoil but that's not gonna happen. It's always more of an off hand type gun. The HP buff made it worse for the obvious reasons since it already needed a little more damage before said buff.

[forest lagoon]

How good is Recon lasgun?

I decided to test one out and it's awesome

Just know if it's gonna be able to stand up perk wise

[tame lodge]

It's ok

[orchid hemlock]

Heh welcome to the addiction 😎

[hollow ibex]

low skill floor, low skill ceiling weapon

[orchid hemlock]

Ur mom

[forest lagoon]

fires fast and in a straight line

though that might be because I use the ranged perk that drinks your stamina

it's probably not a good perk to use at all but I love it

[orchid hemlock]

The problem with recon is you need to sacrifice a lot in the tree to be comparable to things like Plasma

[forest lagoon]

Oh I refuse to play plasma

I already know it's far and away the best weapon

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[ebon seal]

Code:9121638433

[orchid hemlock]

67

[forest lagoon]

What are those purple perks at the bottom?

I had a look and the only one that sounds good is the one on the left for veteran

[orchid hemlock]

Left is the worst for recon

[forest lagoon]

For pysker I think it's psionics that's the good one

[forest lagoon]

What about infantry auto gun?

I use vraks

Boring but fun

[hollow ibex]

vraks is the best

[narrow frost]

why is that?

[orchid hemlock]

For IAG it's extremely good

But I still prefer right just because right is busted in general

[forest lagoon]

I dunno it just sounds the best

the other one thats melee and ranged stacks sounds kinda fiddly

[narrow frost]

are you under the impression that vet is the ranged class?

[forest lagoon]

I don't play melee veteran

[narrow frost]

fair enough

but focus target does buff ranged as well (middle purple)

[tall torrent]

it's just one of them

[orchid hemlock]

All keystones are good on Vet

People here lean towards right because it supplements Vets' playstyle and weapons

[narrow widget]

vet has a lot of competition in terms of which ranged weapons are "best"

[calm shard]

no not reall lmao

it's very overrated because it's easy

but honest to god I wouldn't put plasma in vet's top 5 right now

which is partially me being a freak

[tall torrent]

it's easily top 5

[calm shard]

and partially other guns being so good

[tall torrent]

top 3 pretty easily too

but wouldn't put it at definitive best

[dreamy sphinx]

nah, krak spam with nade regen tops shredders in pretty much every case
always krak if rotten armour, otherwise shredders/run krak if you fail too much from armour packs

[calm shard]

kraks have a tiny radius if the pack is big enough you're only gonna kill a few of them per krak

even a single shredder with an uncanny melee is going to get rid of the damage resistance on every single one of them

a few or literally one for kraks

depends

it's still worse than kraks yeah

[dreamy sphinx]

the only time i ever run out of kraks even with massive armour packs is if i get extremely very unlucky and dont regen shit

[calm shard]

but it's not universally worse

[dreamy sphinx]

and when i spam it into a monsters face

[forest lagoon]

I have to be honest I forgot I even have kraks

if there's a bulwark or something in my face I'll suddenly remember I have then

[mystic pilot]

Prety much anytime i see targets bigger than human or theyre maulers

Helps that krak home to the most armored one in mixed group

[quick shell]

idk about this, chems exist.

but from what ive seen

the frags were efficient

[quick shell]

idk about that

it's very good

but it's not doing things other guns cant do

[quick shell]

you can blast out all ur kraks and you'll kill say, 6-7 things

the point of shredders isn't specifically to kill everything

it's just lower the damage reduc so they're less a bastard to deal with

because rotten doesnt apply to DoT

[dreamy sphinx]

defo feels like it, playing flame psyker for example feels WAY weaker against rotten than against non rotten but thats just my experience

[narrow frost]

rot doesnt apply to dots or explosions

its just ranged or melee

you are probably feeling the increase of carapace enemies without knowing how to keep up uncanny

[calm shard]

imagine they patch this too

[tall torrent]

dot should be reduced

[hollow ibex]

honestly?

rotten crushers just shouldn't take damage from the player

makes the game too easy

[narrow frost]

rot should be immune to warp damage

[calm shard]

blue stimm pox gas be like

[tall torrent]

100%

[narrow frost]

and reduce damage dr to maybe 50% at max

[dreamy sphinx]

rotten crushers should just crash the players game if they get within a 100m radius of the player, game is too easy without a handicap like that

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

the current havoc crashrates aren't high enough

[quick shell]

rot should apply to DOT and then should be brought down to more reasonable values AND they should do something so it doesn't then spawn masses more rotten enemies, because as it stands, rot does like three things

perma armour spam gets old fast

[calm shard]

I think it applying to all ranged/DoT damage but not affecting melee would be more interesting

huge very common melee packs that you have to melee to death

[tall torrent]

yea

[quick shell]

if it didn't apply to melee that'd be nice too yep

[primal zealot]

having it apply to melee feels like a middle finger directed specifically at ogryns

[quick shell]

it's a middlefinger to EVERYONE

[primal zealot]

and giving the hive trash 4 rockets that are each 3x as strong as a nuke is like a second middle finger to ogryns in particular

[quick shell]

ogryn having to accept the fact they aren't just the best class in the game anymore

[primal zealot]

if u ever thought they were u are actually delusional

[silver patrol]

i do hope they keep ogryn's nades weak as they are now

[hollow ibex]

it's karma for rumblergryns existing

[silver patrol]

and for gunsluggers slurping all the ammo

[quick shell]

i mean yeah they were

although to be fair, it was a while ago

[silver patrol]

and for shield ogryns special mode fans existing

[primal zealot]

i hope u step on a lego every day for ur whole life

[primal zealot]

delusional

[silver patrol]

would probably hurt more than an ogryn's granade

[unreal nova]

It used to not apply to melee and was already bs, is now bs bs.

[unreal nova]

They were, after that rework. I guess psykers could be better, but they are paper then while oggy...

[silver patrol]

ogryn players when the class has clearly defined strenghts and weaknesses

they should make gunslugger less ass tho

[tall torrent]

ogryn post-rework got somewhere like x400% melee dmg it's crazy lol

[unreal nova]

Vet was the worst class at that point.

[silver patrol]

wasn't it zealot

[tall torrent]

it was zealot

[primal zealot]

the endless screeching of the braindead masses over not being bodyblocked by trash mobs

like uhhh can we have i frames then ?

[unreal nova]

Post rework oggy? Worst class was between vet and zealot.

Vet had literally no talent points, zealot had that one single build.

[tall torrent]

and then 1.9 made it pretty clear psyker best, vet 2nd best

[primal zealot]

having only one grenade and it sucking ass is an idiotic weakness

[gilded raft]

Immediately after the ogryn rework, the worst class was the hive scum. Literally unplayable

[tall torrent]

then 1.10 hvs & vet are 2nd~3rd

[primal zealot]

i would legit delete hive trash from the game if i could

[tall torrent]

psyker still far above everybody else

[primal zealot]

useless class outside of clutches aura n hype moments

n also just as payback for the rocket launcher

[silver patrol]

nah i think you'll have to live with shit nades

zealot is there too you know

[unreal nova]

That thing got stupidly overbuffed imo.

[silver patrol]

take your mildly underwhelming rock with regen

[quick shell]

i mean

i think blades beat rock

scissors beat rock in this game

[silver patrol]

ehrm

[quick shell]

but yeah both classes have shit blitzes

[tall torrent]

rock is rly good

[silver patrol]

it's a knife not a pair of scissors

[tall torrent]

nuke can use a buff

not sure if I fully agree with what I heard but

it'd be smth

[quick shell]

how do you buff nuke do you think?

better adms? an extra nade?

[primal zealot]

10x aoe n dmg

[unreal nova]

Make it actually kill.

[primal zealot]

also 6 of them

[silver patrol]

remove it from the game

[quick shell]

just kills everything on the map when u press it

[primal zealot]

and regen

[tall torrent]

from what I heard it's both

2 bombs, significantly higher explosion dmg

[silver patrol]

i don't think ogryn players deserve the extra nade

[primal zealot]

hive trash getting a good rocket launcher shouldve caused an ogryn mutiny

[silver patrol]

they would get too complacent

[quick shell]

they really should remove one of the charges on it ngl

[silver patrol]

nah the rocket is pretty balanced

[primal zealot]

yea but 4 charges on the rocket is fine

[silver patrol]

it could use bigger inner radius

[primal zealot]

lol whatever get muted

[silver patrol]

also maybe they should move that toxic nade node and make it a blackout upgrade instead

[tall torrent]

I don't hate the rocket personally

[primal zealot]

they get that n ogryns dont get shit ? armor piles get their health doubled which is an effective 50% dmg nerf to ogryn ? wtf yea i hate it

ofc the useless class folds as soon as their out of rockets (usually in the second room)

then they leave n another one joins to repeat the process

[silver patrol]

when the class is supposedly useless and op at the same time

[turbid ibex]

I think they shouldve commited to the one charge that kills absolutely everything

[silver patrol]

ogryn players have to hide behind a 300 hp healthbar just to play

[primal zealot]

hive trash is my smyker, rumblrgryn, recon into hordes, all rolled into one

[turbid ibex]

But im not gonna complain about second charge

[primal zealot]

at this point i want 6 as reparations

esp since its pretty obvious theyre gonna chip away at the talent tree bit by bit until it sucks just like they did before

[turbid ibex]

Wdym

[primal zealot]

before the rework they gave ogryn death by 1000 cuts

just one little "bAlAnCe" change at a time until only the most dedicated masochists remained

like making lights only do 1 bleed or reducing soften em up

[tall torrent]

I wish og weapons were better

[primal zealot]

insignificant changes on their own but eventually they wind up gutting the class

[unreal nova]

To be fair, the light bleeds were hilariously busted on club.

[silver patrol]

i hope they take some months and redo a complete rebalance of og weapons and their specials

[primal zealot]

they rly werent lol

[silver patrol]

because half of the weapons have a shit punch as special

[primal zealot]

n club is boring af anyways

[tall torrent]

doubt it

[silver patrol]

i doubt it too

[tall torrent]

I just want right side og to actually be functional

and rumbler tweaked a bit

[mortal horizon]

how you guys running recon laz build these days? the old crit white nodes are gone right? can you get crit as high? i havent put a build back together since the tree rework

[tall torrent]

then og weapons can get buffed over time

[primal zealot]

also why tf vets get 2 bleeds on light now ?

[silver patrol]

it's not even buffs or what else

but like, give them an actual special

[primal zealot]

what a joke

[tall torrent]

the previous 5% crit chance node got baked into the class

[mortal horizon]

ah ok

im still learning the changes tbh

[tall torrent]

it's good for like 3 weapons

[mortal horizon]

its so good for those tho lol shovel is really nice now

[tall torrent]

I'd rather middle section gets swapped around so I don't have to take either field improv or serrated

neither is that interesting

[primal zealot]

i know its a meme but i use mercy killer

[tall torrent]

sent proposal to playtester abt this alrdy

iron will swap with field improv
+1 stamina swap with right side's +25 toughness

would immediately improve vet's talent distribution massively

[primal zealot]

hmmmm

its not like theyre bad nodes tho

[tall torrent]

they're not bad they just aren't that flexible

[tall torrent]

this would immediately free up 1 point for vet
and make sure u always get at least one +25 toughness

[primal zealot]

[hexed arch]

is the voice of command revive modifier worth it?

[tall torrent]

noe

[hexed arch]

yeah that's what i thought

i haven't been using it but i dunno reviving teammates instantly seems kinda handy

[tall torrent]

I also think og right side needs a full rework
make it go from "ranged branch" to "fast melee branch that also does gun hybrid play"

[primal zealot]

could be interesting

[tall torrent]

with inclusion of swift slaying from VT2 as a talent cuz og is the only class that wouldn't become immediately busted with it

[primal zealot]

although the twinks design very much lends themselves to walking bullet hose

[tall torrent]

and og generally wants at least another 10% atk speed bonus on top of what they have rn

[tall torrent]

yea and they need major buffs

[primal zealot]

absolutely

[unreal nova]

Not enough damage and ammo lul.

[tall torrent]

I want right side og to be speed/crit oriented

[primal zealot]

adding a single barrel one was a rly bizarre choice when they couldve just tripled the existing ones dmg n improved their accuracy

[tall torrent]

it's what would separate it from left/middle and still retain og's frontliner fundamental identity

[primal zealot]

i know its like why tho ??

[unreal nova]

Pad out the numbers.

[tall torrent]

left dmg/stagger
middle DR
right speed/crit

[unreal nova]

I dunno. Was fustrated for many reasons playing oggy.

[tall torrent]

I also think og would benefit tremendously from another GG variant (focused on precision takedown with less AOE effect but more direct hit dmg) and a new weapon of shield + GG

current GG is like boltpistol tier breakpoint

[primal zealot]

i dont think gg can have less aoe

[unreal nova]

It's nearly nothing lul.

[primal zealot]

like it would just have negative aoe

[primal zealot]

same with kickback n hstub

[tall torrent]

yes

but kickback has super high maniac ADM so it's not that bad vs stuff og actually needs to shoot at

[primal zealot]

indeed however the mutanr breakpoint remains very tight. i can only assume they made it so high for that specific purpose

[tall torrent]

I don't mind mutant 1 tap for kickback cuz u can usually melee kill them well

I think og melee need to be better at killing mutant

rather than ranged

maybe og right side tweaks this year

hopefully

[primal zealot]

yea but they take like 3x melee dmg right ?

[tall torrent]

2.5x I think

but

[primal zealot]

in fact most of the ogryn melees have weirdly low maniac dmg

[tall torrent]

a lot of og melee weapons don't do that much vs maniac

[calm shard]

glugger reign begins anew

[tall torrent]

idk

it would take very substantial effort

whole branch rework + multiple weapon buffs

[calm shard]

and also removing havoc ammo penalty

[primal zealot]

0.3s before the streamerbrained masses call it op cus it can actually kill stuff

[tall torrent]

nah that can stay tbh

[tall torrent]

nah

it'd be more the ogryn chat people calling it too good

lol

[calm shard]

it is by far my least favorite of the havoc modifiers

[tall torrent]

when in reality it's just og guns being generally at least 1 tier below their human counterparts

[calm shard]

normally good guns just can't function in havoc

because oopsy no ammo :)

[sudden cedar]

Don't worry, we have Hive Scum for that now 🙂

They have unlimited ammo.

[calm shard]

hive scum cannot use ripper guns and twin linked heavy stubbers

[sudden cedar]

True, they have something better.

[tall torrent]

are u talking abt shooting whole game or shooting only at important enemies

[calm shard]

only at important enemies

[silver patrol]

I agree, fatshark please add ripper guns and twin linked heavy stubbers to hivescum

[tall torrent]

how is that not enough then

[calm shard]

I use twink/rippers almost exclusively while PBB is active

to solo clear a room

and they do not have the ammo to do that in havocs

[tall torrent]

vig auto 3 is fine

plasma is fine

boltgun maybe less fine

[calm shard]

columnus vigilant has borderline infinite ammo

1 burst kills anything and it gets 4 ammo from survivalist

you would have to really try to make it run out of ammo unless you are intentionally magdumping poxwalkers like a dumbass

[tall torrent]

they alrdy tweaked the ammo penalty once I doubt they'd do it again

went from x25% to x40%

[deft cosmos]

Hello handsome gamers, mobility is the dump stat on Duelling Swords, yeah?

[tall torrent]

cleave damage / defences

check pinned guide

[deft cosmos]

You right, ty gamer

[cerulean flume]

Yooo gonna try the combat axe with the revolver

[hexed arch]

is iron will worth it?

i'm starting to believe it's not

[cerulean flume]

It’s good

Damage reduction is awesome

[hexed arch]

yeah but i really want the perk that gives 10% melee swing speed

but i dunno what to get rid of for it

[tall torrent]

yes, mandatory

[tall torrent]

what does ur tree look like

[hexed arch]

i got the krak obviously

voice of command

marksman's focus

[tall torrent]

Send full tree

[hexed arch]

what here?

[tall torrent]

Ya

[hexed arch]

if you have a meta veteran build just send it to me

[tall torrent]

Check pinned guide

[hexed arch]

ok thanks

i'm looking at potential perks to get rid of

keep their heads down, which gives 75% bonus suppression

what do you think? worth it?

[primal zealot]

yea suppressions not real

[hexed arch]

so it's worthless?

idk i thought suppression meant they don't shoot back as often

[primal zealot]

its an easy thing to sacrifice

thing is every gun that suppressed well doesnt need more and those that dont get minimal benefit

[hexed arch]

what about killzone

15% bonus ranged damage if you don't get hit for 8 seconds

seems a bit worthless too

[tall torrent]

Not worth basically ever

[tall torrent]

Pretty bad

[hexed arch]

yep thought so

i'm slowly realizing a lot of perks i've been using are shit

there is a perk i think is really good though

i'm kinda lost on how it works though

born leader

allies in coherency replenish 20% of the toughness you do

plus 50% coherency radius

does this mean my voice of command also has 50% more radius?

[tall torrent]

The toughness spread yes

The stagger no

[hexed arch]

holy emperor that's pretty good

definitely not gonna give up on that perk

[cerulean flume]

Finally unlocked the recon lasgun

[deft cosmos]

Recon my sweet

The ally heal feels so degenerate if you get a nice krak grenade or headshot chain

Full toughness for everyone

[tall torrent]

It’s ok
Would only consider it with exe stance tho

[hexed arch]

exe?

oh executioner

wdym it's also great with voc

give your team toughness from further away

[tall torrent]

It’s not as good as with stance

Stance makes vet the highest toughness replenishing class in the game

[hexed arch]

what does stance even have to do with coherency

coherency of what, how far you can mark enemies?

the reason i don't use stance is because i use a heavy laspistol

it's not the best gun in the game but i like it

[turbid ibex]

Stance regens 10% toughness per second while active

[hexed arch]

yeah i know

but to fully utulize stance you would use something like the las recon

[turbid ibex]

No?

That toughness replenishment alone made exe viable even on melee focused builds

[hexed arch]

huh

i still didn't get my answer though

what does coherency have to do with exe

[turbid ibex]

Nothing?

You dont take born leader for more coherency range though

[hexed arch]

if you're using voc why not

[turbid ibex]

You take it for the shared toughness replenishment

[hexed arch]

yeah i know but with vod you give teammates toughness from further away

while with exe it's useless

[turbid ibex]

No?

[hexed arch]

voc*

wdym no

[turbid ibex]

Youre sharing the toughness replenishent from exestance with your teammates

[hexed arch]

so what is the +50% coherency?

[turbid ibex]

It increases your coherency radius from 8 meters to 12

[hexed arch]

okay so why doesn't it affect voc?

voc is coherency

[tall torrent]

No actually, it can work with basically every weapon

Stance is much stronger toughness replenishment than VoC

[hexed arch]

yeah but i wanna give my team toughness too

[tall torrent]

Yea stance scales with born leader better

[hexed arch]

this guy says it doesn't

so who's wrong

[turbid ibex]

???

When did i say it doesnt

[hexed arch]

i said "yeah i know but with vod you give teammates toughness from further away"

and you said no

[turbid ibex]

I said no to this

[tall torrent]

The range at which u can give toughness is the same between stance and VoC because born leader just increases ur coherency range all the same

[hexed arch]

what does the coherency do for stance

coherency of marking enemies?

[tall torrent]

Increase your coherency aura radius

[hexed arch]

aura?

[tall torrent]

The same way it does for VoC

[hexed arch]

yeah but what does it actually do

[turbid ibex]

Do you not know what coherency is?

[hexed arch]

the range of your ability? the radius?

bigger circle?

[tall torrent]

That’s not coherency

[turbid ibex]

...

[hexed arch]

when the ability says "all allies in coherency" i assume that's all allies in range

[tall torrent]

No

[hexed arch]

then what

[tall torrent]

Coherency range is a different stat from VoC’s stagger range

VoC gives toughness to allies in coherency with you

[hexed arch]

coherency as in close to me?

[tall torrent]

Born leader increases this coherency range from 8m to 12m

[tall torrent]

Yes

But it’s a bit more complicated

Coherency is a tether mechanic

It doesn’t require everybody to be within 8m of u

[hexed arch]

so...

what counts as coherency?

where they gotta be?

[tall torrent]

If a player is within 8m (coherency range) of you

That player is in coherency with you

However

If that player is in coherency with 2 other players that are not in your coherency range

You will still get 4 coherency

[hexed arch]

man

back in vermintide 2 i didn't have to put up with all this technical crap

actually maybe a little

[tall torrent]

The TLDR is

Born leader scales best with stance

Because stance makes vet the highest toughness replenishing class in the game

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/jMG6zXo

[tall torrent]

And born leader usually is not that worth picking

[calm shard]

my teammates toughness in this clip is why born leader is never leaving my exe MMF build

[tall torrent]

Because it’s in the same row as demo team

[tall torrent]

And vet doesn’t have many luxuries for choosing flex talents

[hexed arch]

hmmm

i get it now

would exe work with a laspistol

[calm shard]

yes

one of the best MMF weapons

[tall torrent]

Works with every weapon

It’s not even specifically a ranged ability

[hexed arch]

le pistole?

i use the heavy mark for it

[calm shard]

heavy mark is just worse than the other one sadly

[hexed arch]

whatt?

howcome it does so much more damage

[calm shard]

correct!

the other one will also one shot most things on a crit!

and it just shoots faster

[hexed arch]

yeah i know

i used it too

[frigid rover]

i think its fantastic!

[hexed arch]

i figured the high damage makes up for the slower fire rate but i guess i was wrong

[frigid rover]

stack crit and aim head level and go to town

[hexed arch]

so darktide sweats tell me what's the best melee in the game

i've only been playing since launch i'm still learning things

[calm shard]

power sword

[hexed arch]

oh that i knew

but it's too ugly for my tastes

fat ass sword

[calm shard]

combat axe

[hexed arch]

looks like a sword with diabetes

and after power axe?

[calm shard]

tactical axe

[hexed arch]

sorry combat axe

uhh so which one do you use on your veteran?

[hollow ibex]

Rashad

You need to build it exactly as it’s in the guide

And take bottom right talents

It’s very easily trash

[vestal widget]

i just hard flash backed to gachaing rashads

[hollow ibex]

If you don’t hit bruiser breakpoints

[cerulean flume]

Let’s gooooo unlocked the power sword

[hexed arch]

for executioner should i use the modifier that targets small enemies or big ones

i'm assuming small enemies because that means it's easier to keep the stance going for longer

[frigid rover]

my experience is to the contrary, its usually a lot harder
8 second duration per refresh gives you almost twice as much time as the baseline
you can make an argument for either, but generally i prefer awareness of ogryn enemies and an easier time working in reloads without losing exec

[cerulean flume]

💀

Another campaign mission failed because a bot screwed us up

[vestal widget]

oh?

[cerulean flume]

Like how

It was only on malice

[frigid rover]

how is a good question

[cerulean flume]

😭

Idk

[frigid rover]

im curious as to in what way a bot can lose a mission

[vestal widget]

off the top of my head shooting a burster or waking a dh

[cerulean flume]

Yeah

I just wanted to level my power sword

[junior grail]

How come helbore sometimes struggle to kill a pox walker?

[tall torrent]

Big

[cerulean flume]

And now I can’t find anybody

[tall torrent]

Just check the pinned guide @hexed arch

[cerulean flume]

Like come ON

[vestal widget]

what difficulty are you playing at

[cerulean flume]

💀 💀 💀 💀

[calm shard]

locational damage reduction

[cerulean flume]

Just malice

[vestal widget]

oh that was to the other player who was asking about helbore

[cerulean flume]

Oh

[calm shard]

especially because unlike real players bots know how to not get hit by daemonhosts

[junior grail]

Auric

[vestal widget]

yeah lol

[calm shard]

so they will follow you everywhere building corruption your team the whole time

instead of just fucking dying

which makes it so much worse

[vestal widget]

ugh, about exestance

-# sorry words are hard

cos small if it's low diff otherwise the 8s one

[vestal widget]

tbf they have like 900 stam

[calm shard]

ogryn one is much more lenient timeframe wise

but counterfire helps mark the most dangerous enemies in the game

so

[vestal widget]

i can tank dh pretty well too if i'm stam kd psyker or something with that much effective block

[calm shard]

I can tank DH on anybody because they're very very consistent enemies

[vestal widget]

true, but i'm bad so i just usually obstacle cheese them or smth if i need to tank

[cerulean flume]

I can thank kratos at least

[calm shard]

I'm gonna be real I consider activated daemonhosts less run ending than burgles in most situations if they're aggroed on me

If they're aggroed on somebody else they're probably dead and it's not my problem :)

[junior grail]

When you spot a DH near a ledge... rubs hands together, licking lips

[calm shard]

yeah and also that

if a DH is in an awful spot you have full control over their movement and can effortlessly ledge them

[vestal widget]

always mildly impressed when vet very precisely ledges it with voc

see it a lot less compared to relic zel

[calm shard]

yeah because relic zealots are almost always the worst player on the team

that ability is exclusively played by the absolute most dog ass useless players in this entire game

and the ability itself isn't good either

actual dead weight

[junior grail]

I wish Infiltrate on Vet was more interesting

[junior grail]

Hope there are no Neros in the chat

[quick shell]

for fucking real

[primal zealot]

holy crap what did relic do to u

[vestal widget]

so apparently they are sometimes surviving legshots but other than that maybe they're just in one of those dumbass extended death anims idk

[cerulean flume]

Oh great someone left

😭

Can I play through ONE mission on malice for once without complications

[frigid rover]

i enjoy chorus zealot
i enjoy conveniently forgetting i have an F key halfway through a mission after the desperado clown popped two bursters in my face while i was very obviously pushing them away from the team with nothing else going on
i enjoy watching them die to rager packs while their godmode is on cooldown because i am 'busy' elsewhere whenever they appear

[quick shell]

if you're chorusing bursters im pretty sure they aren't able to jump adn therefore cannot explode

[distant plaza]

become the carry

[quick shell]

no?

[frigid rover]

pretty much, which is why i dont do that unless they show up mid-f

[quick shell]

that just delays the problem it doesn't fix it though

id rather have bursters come in 100% of the time

so they can be dealt with

[tepid otter]

Reminds me of that one vid about how he lured the burster toward his own team and pust it to them as it explodes

[frigid rover]

i feel like you are making a case against something i explicitly said i dont do

[hexed arch]

what blessings should i use on my laspistol

[tepid otter]

Dumdum and uhh

[frigid rover]

+crit chance options are always nice especially with shock trooper
a lot of people will recommend dumdum for consistent damage increase against single targets
infernus exists if you want to do that

[tepid otter]

Think it was infernus, yeah.

Kinda wish Infernus was just on by default on all lasguns

[cerulean flume]

Oh my god I lost another campaign mission

On malice

[tepid otter]

Can't win em all bud

[cerulean flume]

😭

[tepid otter]

Get back in there

[cerulean flume]

I just want to level my power sword

Can people PLEASE

Lock

In

[tepid otter]

which one is malice again I forget

[distant plaza]

play on heresy and pray for better carrying players

[tropic halo]

You can barrel them so you can lock in all by yourself

[tepid otter]

I never went anything lower than Aurics since unlocking it

[unreal nova]

Diff 2.

[tepid otter]

I see

[tropic halo]

Back in my day, malice was diff 3

[tepid otter]

Was Sedition the old diff 2

I cant remembuh

[frigid rover]

sedition uprising malice

[quick shell]

whatever you say unc, lets get you to bed

[unreal nova]

No, heresy has some of the worst players. I play there so I know all to well if I can't solo clutch, it's game over usually.

[distant plaza]

sedation - uprising - malice - heresy - damnation

[unreal nova]

1. Was removed due to being just too boring.

[cerulean flume]

Ok the mission was delta 17

The one I’ve been trying to do

[tepid otter]

Thats fair lmao

[cerulean flume]

Ok let’s try this again

Third time is the charm

[unreal nova]

Which server anyway?

[distant plaza]

idk, i could say that about the full spread of malice -> heresy -> damnation having a mixed bag of players
i suppose the adage that the majority of the good+kind players are already on auric and havocs is true -_-

[quick shell]

nope

[unreal nova]

It is. I just goober on lower so I can hit breakpoints on some nonsense.

[quick shell]

players are the same everywhere

any difficulty

u get shitters in heresy

u get shitters in hav40

[tepid otter]

I mean you tend to find lower leveled peeps on the lower diffs am assuming

[quick shell]

yeah sure but i wouldn't call that being a shitter

id call being a shitter playing on a difficulty where you're hoplessly outclassesd

[tepid otter]

didnt say they were shit tho

[unreal nova]

Not that, just you get more ppl that are barely good enough for malice to those that fall short of damnation in heresy.

[tepid otter]

am guessing the learning cuve just changed along with the difficulty changes

[hexed arch]

is survivalist actually better than fire team?

[tepid otter]

More ammo is usually better

[unreal nova]

Always, unless second vet.

[hexed arch]

interesting

[distant plaza]

fair enough

[tall torrent]

whats ur region

[tall torrent]

yes it's basically the equivalent of VT2 ranger veteran's ammo drops

[hexed arch]

i'm following your guide

there's only one perk i don't have

exploit weakness, for the 20% damage buff after a crit

idk what to get rid of for it

[tall torrent]

it's rly good

[hexed arch]

yeah it sounds good

[tall torrent]

whats ur overall tree

send a pic

[calm shard]

massive missed opportunity for scum to have a keystone that drops random non-green stimms when specialists die

[tepid otter]

He just shits out synringues needle and all

[tall torrent]

wat weapons r u using

[hexed arch]

laspistol

and the combat axe

[tall torrent]

combat axe wants weapon specialist and substantial melee dmg investment

[hexed arch]

it's a sniper build though

[tall torrent]

yea so combat axe not the best fit for it

[hexed arch]

then what

[quick shell]

does laspistol have good range?

i know some weapons have inverted falloff

[hexed arch]

does it matter what melee i use if it's only for ad clear

[frigid rover]

good enough to zap gunners across the map as far as ive used it

[quick shell]

yes because caxe lives and dies by it's breakpoints

[tall torrent]

u can reference the "sniper" build in the guide

[tall torrent]

sorta because combat axe really wants +atk speed and wants significant dmg spec to hit the best possible breakpoints

[hexed arch]

guide says tactical axe

welp guess either way it's still an axe

[quick shell]

it's a different weapon

very different

[hexed arch]

different axe

[slender elm]

Comparing a knife to a saber lel

[tall torrent]

@calm shard I was considering making a full dedicated ranged build example for guide

with helbore

[hexed arch]

also i'm looking at the curio recommendations

[tall torrent]

I just don't know what melee to put for it

[vestal widget]

... isn't that already in guide

[orchid hemlock]

PS

It's always PS 🚬

[hexed arch]

how tf do i get 80% less gunner damage from a single curio

[tall torrent]

no the current one is based on the generic vet build template

[hexed arch]

i'm pc

[tall torrent]

20% gunner resist is x80%, I write it the way the game calculates it

[orchid hemlock]

What?

[vestal widget]

ps = power sword

[hexed arch]

nah i don't use that

too ugly

[calm shard]

Power Sword obviously

[tall torrent]

nah no atk speed and too slow

[calm shard]

but this is ironically the one situation I'd say Falchion is a real choice

[orchid hemlock]

We trying to help 😔

[heavy rover]

tac axe

[calm shard]

it needs fuck all investment aside from rending

[orchid hemlock]

I hate PS too btw

[tall torrent]

yea I was thinking that too

[calm shard]

and 15% rending is right there on MMF

[tall torrent]

but

falchion is just

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[hexed arch]

i know power sword is great but i want my melee to at least look cool yknow

[tall torrent]

skins fix that

[calm shard]

I also use dclaw and chord a lot with helbore even in havocs

[quick shell]

what fucking world are we in where power swords dont look cool

huh

[calm shard]

helbore kills crushers/maulers

so you only really need your melee to kill trash/ragers

[hexed arch]

it's just a fat sword with cables sticking out lol

[orchid hemlock]

As much as I hate PS

It's not because of the looks 💀

[vestal widget]

-# they should bring back ranged only melee builds and make bromentum a valid helbore blessing

[orchid hemlock]

Make melees the range

And range the melee