veteran-class

[frigid rover]

just finished a chill auric while listening to highly masculine music (lady gaga), tada funny numbers
very skewed because like 5 people ragequit and i joined midway through, but you get the idea - with an even slightly practical exec stance build, you kinda just walk around deleting all the annoying gold people (here i was abusing laspistol and crit boosts to pretty much have infinite ammo)

[frigid rover]

...but anyway, post build

[quick burrow]

everyone knows you run the no keystone build like a true veteran

[slender elm]

dont know why

playing veteran fills me with rage

might be the voice i picked

[honest quiver]

100% crit laspistol......

idk all i saw was the clickbait thumbnail from mister e

[slender elm]

i mean, WS crit is practically 100% uptime as long as there's trash to kill

[slender elm]

actually nevermind i just saw someone shoot hordes the entire game with infantry las

[sonic kayak]

What a gamer

I bet he headshot every single target

[fiery raft]

scoreboard keeps crashing my game :(

[frigid rover]

the funny youtuber man? i hope that is not a real video because then i will have to go back to autogun to be a hipster

[fiery raft]

i disabled it

[sonic kayak]

Would be an honor to meet this guy (or gal)

[honest quiver]

lemme find it, one sec

[fiery raft]

i dont think scoreboard is that necessary anyway tbh, as long as we play together and win!

[honest quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9uCSzrH1zA

i can't stand watching his stuff usually but this did catch my eye

[frigid rover]

noooo

well, no great surprise, it is pretty fun

[honest quiver]

deadshot...................

i need to play with that some more

[slender elm]

i need to play infantry las but at the same time idk wtf im doing

oh wait someone gave me a build last week

is serrated blade worth skipping over field improvisation

like im already throwing frags at hordes

actually now that i've looked at it, field improvisation kinda shit except for nades on ammo crate

and some corruption heal from med pack

sigh

sad oggy noises

[frigid rover]

its very strong if you're doing much melee at all but i think its not strictly necessary, feels to me like vet has to stretch around a lot for some of the better talents and theres a lot to choose from

[slender elm]

i feel like i do an extreme amount of melee because of my unga bunga brain

reach heat cap on plasma, close in for melee

rinse and repeat

[frigid rover]

anecdotally, my last mission we had an ogryn with like 99% corruption on healthbar and no grenades
one medcrate and one ammo crate later, he blanketed the entire finale in frags and made it to exfil without dying to chip damage :)

[slender elm]

that's nice ye

main reason i take remote det on arbites is because its a regenerating blitz if i wanna bring doggo

and i do wanna bring doggo

[frigid rover]

obviously theres an argument for not wanting to put a talent point on something you might get absolutely 0 use of if rng screws you or you dont take time to loot, but i would say in practical terms you're bound to pick up at least a few crates throughout a mission on average

[slender elm]

there's 2 per mission

[frigid rover]

at the very least, the pre-finale boxes will probably give you something

[slender elm]

but im not sure if its worth anything much

bruh this is vet channel, zealot's one down

[frigid rover]

oh i have no idea how the actual loot calculation nonsense functions
when i take field improv its because im too fucking stingy to have decent melee talents and want to go all in on gigabuffing ranged stuff, not because i want to be a team player ^:)

[slender elm]

i see

free grenades makes everyone happy tho

including myself, if i werent the one playing vet...

grenades out the ass like poop

[frigid rover]

even on the darkest missions
i eat my own ammo crates (i wanted to spam even more frags)

[thorny egret]

Field Improv should be a passive

inherent to Vet

[livid sphinx]

Playing during a sale is always fun

[calm shard]

I don't see why

[calm prairie]

I like it how it is now

[livid sphinx]

its fine

[slender elm]

eh, how does flamer attacks work vs dashes

sometimes i get in sometimes i dont

[narrow frost]

The fire in the air has a hitbox in a weird way

Hard to explain

Check Kuli's enemy guide to see if it's addressed

[shell rampart]

I come to you all in a time of great need. I recently returned to my vet and would like to know how best to optimize my plasma gun. I have seen other vets soup specials with it before, but mine seems to be lacking

[narrow frost]

The guide in the pins will have breakdowns of the weapons and more

[shell rampart]

There are pins?

[narrow frost]

Yeah, do you know how to access them?

[shell rampart]

Yeah, the lil thumbtack. Just didn't know folk could pin things

[narrow frost]

People ask moderators to pin info that everyone can use

Most often guides

[slender elm]

still full of rage

if i run out of stam during deadshot do i just dont get the bonuses anymore

man i need to take stam recharge for ilas then...

[hollow ibex]

if you take MMF

and take tunnel vision

the stam economy shouldn't be too bad

as long as you're not full autoing mk2 or something

[calm shard]

shit's why I habitually put deadshot on like every gun

I'm so used to always having tunnel vision

and deadshot's crit chance is such a nice damage bump for every single gun

[hollow ibex]

most guns yeah

[slender elm]

sigh

watching a scum and a vet shooting full auto at a crusher horde

[thorny egret]

I like dancing with crushers

dodge, melee, dodge melee, pray, melee

[slender elm]

sigh

im trying to shoot in a melee fps

to practically no success

and my highlights bugged for that run

exe stance and tags with no outlines

-_-

[dry cloak]

Depends on weapon

If scum had needler pistol and vet had helbore or bolter they are good

[slender elm]

when i say full auto, i mean that they're spraying

those are obviously not full auto weapons

[ember sand]

can someone explain plasma gun to me

whats the appeal

how the fuck one plays it

[austere mica]

You point it at specials

And you click on them

Thats it

[ember sand]

not the lil goons?

[austere mica]

There are very few guns you shoot at trash

Theres also the reload cancel but nothing beyond that

[junior grail]

If you do shoot it at trash, make sure it's a dense horde of them especially in a line.

So you can cleave through as many as you can to make your shot worth

[misty minnow]

Yes no charging plasma not effective enough for the poor ammo economy

[junior grail]

Wish there'll be plasma gun variants and maybe even a plasma pistol

Variant could be instead of piercing, it does aoe

[misty minnow]

They should but to be honest wasn't plasma more of a tech thing

[junior grail]

Perhaps once the "new techpriest class" drops hahaha

[misty minnow]

I think mostly tech priest and astartes used it

[junior grail]

Normal humans do use plasma, in 40k Imperial guard they often assign their weapon specialists weapons like plasma, longlas snipers, grenade launchers, melta, etc

[misty minnow]

Yes but they needed like training for it.

[junior grail]

They do

Hence why so many "accidents" happen in lore

[misty minnow]

It wasn't something that a random person could pick up and fire

[junior grail]

Oh they could but then they'd probably burn their arms and face off because they didn't properly use them

Considering the class in darktide is Veteran, we can assume they've been trained

Iirc techpriests got crazier plasma weapons like the plasma caliviers

Full auto plasma weapons that don't heat up, nuts

[misty minnow]

That sounds broken lol

Though knowing darktide it would just be as damaging as a autogun

[junior grail]

Laspistol still stronger LOL

I doubt we'll get those weapons in Darktide tho

[misty minnow]

I actually like recon las

[junior grail]

I just want a grenade launcher for Vet and Arby

[junior grail]

Me too, me too

[misty minnow]

Lol vet needs two hander melee first before all this special range

[junior grail]

I mean they gave Vet a Power Falchion and it's... average

I want a PowerFist

[misty minnow]

Lol

[junior grail]

Uppercut Plogryns lesgo

[misty minnow]

I think ogryn needs one first

The got rocket gauntlet but it's like eh

[junior grail]

In terms of models, I think I saw an Ogryn with a double drillfist thing going on

Something like Driller in DRG

Rock and Stone

[misty minnow]

Ooo that be nice

Be like their version of chain weapons

[junior grail]

Official models

[misty minnow]

Rev it up before a good punch

[junior grail]

Doesn't need to rev, an Ogryn punch with a spiked fist would take off any heretic face haha

[slender elm]

give it a staggering grapple attack that just squishes the target

[misty minnow]

You know what why doesn't ogryn have a grapple move? You would think they would use their size as an advantage

Lol hold on to crushers while beating helmet in

Use enemies as meat shields

[slender elm]

they spiky

hurts

[junior grail]

Change Bull Rush ability to grab a large enemy and smash them on the ground before throwing, like Mutant

[misty minnow]

Lol

[junior grail]

Also stinky

[misty minnow]

Yes throw them off cliffs taste of their own medicine

[junior grail]

I mean, psyker can already roleplay a Burster

[misty minnow]

Yep

Scum is rager

Arbite is crusher

[dry cloak]

Ogryn is crusher

Arbite i mauler

[misty minnow]

Lol

[grand sable]

diapers

[unreal nova]

Arby with plasma when?

[dry cloak]

when messiah comes back

[unreal nova]

Oh. (Was joking about plasma gunners being maulers with plasma.)

[dry cloak]

i mean fair point

did not see that however

[unreal nova]

They are, cara head, flak body. Also abit too tanky.

[dry cloak]

i would not say too tanky

3 hits from heavy sword and they are done ususally

2 heacies 1 special

or 2 axe hits

many 2h weapon one shot them

[unreal nova]

3 bistol shots to chest.

[dry cloak]

im usually aiming for the head with melee that can pierce armor

but fair

[proud bluff]

Drip check.(just pretend this is a Vet)

[misty minnow]

Destiny?

[proud bluff]

Yep

[unreal nova]

Is plasma gunners, I'm not going to them at 300 ping lul.

[dry cloak]

understandable

[dry cloak]

d2 trash

[frank ledge]

He tried to play helbore with 200 ping

[unreal nova]

Like plasma, very painful.

[frank ledge]

I really should switch to brauto or super flashlight when playing in NA

[feral jetty]

yo can I show my drip

also since I forgot to answer you in general I am EST dib

[proud bluff]

Yes

[feral jetty]

edge

also I see you're playing arc raiders

[proud bluff]

Yess

[feral jetty]

wanna play?

i'm only level like 22 and kinda nub though

[proud bluff]

Not tonight but maybe future

Won’t be on long

[feral jetty]

hell ye fair, np

I should go to bed soon lol

[wise meteor]

Alright what’s our best build chat

[woeful oak]

Rending strikes or competitive urge?

[tame lodge]

None

[woeful oak]

💀

That talent point NEEDS to be allocated

[jade fjord]

hello, what are the best modifiers for helbore lasgun?

[dry cloak]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781 take a read

[tropic halo]

that thumbnail always gets me

[slender elm]

man, after playing exe stance with ilas im really annoyed by the fact that i cant shoot plasmas in the face

is there an autogun that deals with that

[azure narwhal]

Vigil autogun is not exactly amazing at it but you could make do with rending stirikes, if you really wanted to that much

That's more of a helbore thing, if you really want to shoot carapace

[slender elm]

im currently getting vraks 5 masteries

[azure narwhal]

Vraks 5 is very nice, i like it too

But not for carapace ofc

[slender elm]

just super annoyed that this guy with his bucket on his head is deflecting my laser shots

what's vraks 5 good at

[azure narwhal]

I understand, although it's a good havit to learn. Maulers function the same and they come in even greater numbers, so do scab ragers.

[slender elm]

run and gun with onslaught?

melee guys i just chuck grenades at

or whack them with my stick

[azure narwhal]

Short range insane burst DPS

Some of the highest

[slender elm]

i spee

i assume autopistol does similar

[azure narwhal]

Ehh

Not comprable to vraks 5 thats for sure

But its aight

[slender elm]

i guess

[vagrant dagger]

so i got my first bolter a while back, pogged my eyes out (it's a BOLTER!) and poured a ton of resources and mastery into it
and then i found a stats guide and found out that my bolter has 68% max damage (stinky!)
thing is, damage is the ONE thing that's actually not lacking in my experience. i'd rather have ammo, reload etc
should i throw it out or keep using it?

[unreal nova]

Throw out when you find another.

Never dump damage.

Unless flamer or needler.

Dump mobility.

[vagrant dagger]

hmmmm thanks. farming it is then

what does mobility do? is it just movement speed?

[unreal nova]

Sprint speed and dodge distance.

Is already garbo on it.

[vagrant dagger]

i do have a "perfect" chainaxe with 60 mobility

*chainsword

[unreal nova]

Chainsword is sadly just trash on higher diffs.

Only good against hordes and not even mixed ones.

[vagrant dagger]

i like it but then again i'm stuck on heresy with like a 50% ish winrate

and when i do win, i'm usually carried by lv30s

btw, what happens at level 30? do you no longer get talent points? i think i've seen people higher than 30, but they seem rare

[unreal nova]

Well, it just means you just gotta play more to learn the feel.

[unreal nova]

That's havoc lvls.

It's just showing off.

They are still basically lvl 30.

[vagrant dagger]

so no talent points after 30?

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[slender elm]

i like running chainsword when i have a plasma to melt armor

and probably kraks

[thick needle]

Is there a significant difference between the Rashad and the Antax combat axe
Their damage profiles look identical afaik and the mobility difference seems negligible

[unreal nova]

You usually don't shoot armoured with it on higher diffs. Too expensive.

Specifically crushers anyway.

[slender elm]

yeah

i just, line up one shot before going into melee

charged shot

and that's if i dont run krak

[quick shell]

rashad is better

it has finesse not cleave targets, meaning it gets like 12% more atkspd than antax

cleave targets is a dead stat on a brumentum weapon

[still dove]

you don't need grenader tinkerer or grenadier in auric mael right?

[quick shell]

they're only required for havoc because of the hp buffs in it

[unreal nova]

Depends on the 'nade.

[quick shell]

pretty sure you'd still want them for frags no?

[unreal nova]

And smoke.

Smoke always wants tinkerer.

[unreal nova]

Frags is if you don't wanna run Bistol.

But having both is extra funni.

Grenadier is +1 nade and chance to twin. Might be nice if you like the extra.

More so for frags since you always need 2 to clear.

And if it twins, you saved abit.

Unless you god of luck with that 5% 'nade return.

[slender elm]

also im using mk 3 evis with rampage perfect strike ye?

[unreal nova]

I uhh... like 'nade builds a little too much.

[quick shell]

Shred perfect strike

[slender elm]

oh wait wrong channel

shred?

[unreal nova]

Especially after a field improv ammo crate and 12 'nades saved a run.

[slender elm]

hmk

[tall torrent]

not necessarily

they're good bonuses but not mandatory

only "mandatory" one is krak for havoc

requires tinkerer to reach crusher 1 tap

[unreal nova]

Isn't tinkerer on smoke a must have?

[tall torrent]

why

[slender elm]

what build do i run vraks 5 with

weapon specialist with onslaught?

[unreal nova]

Lasts longer and wasn't it bigger AoE?

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure you go FT like recon with Vraks...

Ping boss and unload.

[tall torrent]

what bigger aoe

[unreal nova]

That one I don't remember.

I only remember double duration.

[quick shell]

smokes are just double duration

[unreal nova]

Wouldn't it be worth the ranged distraction to move and longer lock down of that karker with a plasma and inf fart booms?

If twins happen.

[slender elm]

eh?

people told me to run WS with recon lmao

ok den

[hasty plover]

melta when

i want to create Jurgen

[tall torrent]

tinkerer isn't required for that function

[unreal nova]

If you like funni shooty speed.

[slender elm]

eh

ngl i kinda dont

rather do vigilant

[unreal nova]

Otherwise, FT is usually better.

Ping and kill.

Just don't bind to rmb.

Kark.

Wrong reply.

[unreal nova]

Ignore the earlier. Brain not braining. Lost the OG reply even. Was like... (Oh. I thought it was more useful. But I guess that was more a season 1 thing.)

[unreal nova]

The first wrong reply was to you. FT is usually better if vraks or recon since it just amps damage on bosses. You don't really need more firerate since it kinda would worsen the recoil in a way. Plus, funni crit strings to FT poggy head funni.

[slender elm]

thats fair

do i need onslaught tho

[unreal nova]

Only if you wanna shoot crushers. Usually not worth it.

More a meme on malice thing.

It also only affects captains and twins for bosses so...

[slender elm]

eh......

oh well then

[still dove]

are double barrel builds good for h40?

[quick shell]

i think db is playable on 40

[hollow ibex]

cole posted a 4m damage game with shovel and DB a month ago

[still dove]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fad575e-f27e-44fc-bd9f-f62dd7ed4001/how-to-have-fun

this one right

[hollow ibex]

yeh should be right

[hidden scroll]

so i got this power sword that is 62% cleave (dump stat) and 78% mobility... is this close enough to take to max?

im starting to resent the gearing system tbh

[hollow ibex]

which cleave

[hidden scroll]

cleave targets my bad

[hollow ibex]

ah yeah that's def good enoguh

you can get a godroll later if you want

[hidden scroll]

compared to this one im currently using

[hollow ibex]

but you're not going to feel any difference

[hidden scroll]

which is 60% cleave damage

[hollow ibex]

oof yeah definitely replace it

[hidden scroll]

alright thanks chief

[hidden scroll]

guy speedruns ahead, gets downed, i rez him, he keeps running ahead without stopping to clear anything, dies, then asks why all the specials are in one place as we all get shredded

nice

[thorny egret]

does he not understand that specials like to snag lone players?

[orchid hemlock]

If he's dying he isn't speed running

[hidden scroll]

i wish some things were made more obvious

like the fact that there's an AI director

lol

maybe a little part of the tutorial just saying "enemies know how to pick off lone wolves. stick with your team!"

[hollow ibex]

even if there was

50% chance the game just lies to you

about how things work

[narrow frost]

L4D didnt told us but it was inferred no?

but I do see your point

fatshark does leave out alot of info

[hidden scroll]

yeah i just feel like i'm unlucky with the number of lone wolves i've seen recently

even in damnation

still, can't stifle my enjoyment 🙂

it's much better with friends and voice comms, for sure

[narrow frost]

its also due to powercreep

people feel like they can solo it all

and dont need a team

[fair shale]

Yeah Ainz?

Are these people in the room with us rn?

[lyric star]

they're in #hivescum-class

[fair shale]

If you don't know Ainz they solo H40s

[lyric star]

ah of course

[acoustic carbon]

What is implied by ''Damage''? Damage in general? or solely melee?

[narrow frost]

all damage

dot range melee

[turbid ibex]

Emotional

[hidden scroll]

69% thermal resistance | 71% stopping power | 80% everything else

^ is this plasma gun good enough to take to max?

[turbid ibex]

No

Stopping power is also damage so you want it maxed

[hidden scroll]

what does stopping power actually do? from what i understand, it's like stagger, right?

[turbid ibex]

Thats collateral

You can check the detailed stat view to see what each of them do more or less

[calm shard]

stopping power is armor penetration

[hidden scroll]

i don't have anything better and i haven't seen anything better at all

do i just leave it at like 350? lol

i was thinking of taking it to 390 (before the cost jumps) and double blessing it, at least

[grave hawk]

what was the lasgun build again

this is what i got

with this lasgun

[azure narwhal]

drop a talent of your choice for redirect fire and you're good

[grave hawk]

dropped exploit

i play with so many melee friends

[azure narwhal]

fair nough, can also do trench fighter, you'll likely be using your power sword only for carapace and bosses so

it's all push attacks

[grave hawk]

tadaaa

i didnt really think about the push attacks

[dreamy spade]

inspecting my thingymabob

[tepid otter]

how u do that

[narrow frost]

hold block

knife has 2 blocking animations

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/thugnificent's-watch-gif-14054927886368331067

[pulsar copper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-8479999063609699416

💀

[amber ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-8479999063609699416

[mystic pilot]

the poor cat's eyes

[gentle lake]

No the power prolly went out

[lunar kite]

whats a good dump stat for the plasma gun?

[narrow frost]

71 charge 69 thermal

60 thermal if poor

Check guide in pins for info

[odd summit]

made a goobery little suppression skirmisher build constructive criticism welcome

[hollow ibex]

the... premise of the build isn't a great idea, sorry

half the enemies in the game can't be suppressed anyway

[tall torrent]

It’s missing a lot of damage, and most enemies in the game can’t be affected by suppression

[crisp wraith]

Returning to my beloved veteran after hive ganger and Arbites feels so nice

[tepid otter]

Is he hella short

[odd summit]

worry not, i have amended this

[orchid hemlock]

what

[odd summit]

perchance

[odd summit]

actually gonna change bring it down to skirmisher

[orchid hemlock]

off the top of my head I would do something like this:

i hate auto pistol on vet tho, so I'm not sure why you want it

[grave hawk]

is there a melee build for vet that feels somewhat similar to zealot

[hollow ibex]

in what sense?

zealot will always have better mobility

but vet melee can outdamage zealot melee

[grave hawk]

damage and overall effectiveness

[hollow ibex]

any generic power sword + weapon specialist build will eclipse zealot

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/stealth-bomber

could try this

just swap rashad for PS

[grave hawk]

i might be doing something wrong with PS

i feel like that activation takes ages

[hollow ibex]

use mk6

[narrow frost]

like this probably, all melee talents and damage aura

[hollow ibex]

and the moment after you charge, block

and release

it'll let you charge faster

[grave hawk]

let me try

holy fuck

this is like a lifesaver

[hollow ibex]

and if shit gets really hairy

you can do charge -> block cancel -> push

to buy yourself more time

anyway don't use mk3

can't bc on mk3

cuz reasons

[grave hawk]

im on 6

brutal and power cycler

[tall torrent]

in terms of feel, vet is gonna be diff from zealot

vet doesn't have as much atk speed

but vet hits SIGNIFICANTLY harder

[hollow ibex]

gotta take both mobility nodes

for the somewhat zealot-like feel

[grave hawk]

i got 1 more point

rending strikes?

[tall torrent]

What weapons

And what’s ur overall tree rn

[grave hawk]

power sword

[tall torrent]

Why 5% move speed

[grave hawk]

sir mentioned to take both nodes

[tall torrent]

Nah u don’t need it

Also survivalist is the go-to

[grave hawk]

i know

the plan is to be as focused on melee as possible

[tall torrent]

Yea, still survivalist

Fire team doesn’t make a big difference on any breakpoint

[hollow ibex]

i only take it because i like to go fast

[grave hawk]

imagine that and close and kill

fucking 15% ms

[hollow ibex]

that's what i run

well it's 10%

i do think it makes vet feel a lot better

but most people won't take those two nodes lol

[grave hawk]

i got the extra node

i mean point

ill run close and kill with that ms node

but i got 1 more point

[hollow ibex]

[grave hawk]

maybe the 25 tough or rending

[hollow ibex]

prob either 25 toughness

or one of the WS subnodes

like if you're using DB or something you want the reload node

[grave hawk]

currently running autogun

i found i dont really care for DB

[hollow ibex]

prob 25 toughness, on your toes for toughness region or out 4 blood

[grave hawk]

on your toes seem a bit better

[hollow ibex]

it's good for sure, so long as you keep up the weapon swaps

[grave hawk]

and its columnus for autogun ye

[stable socket]

they changed up the marks, what used to be columnus is now vraks (the one with the highest fire rate should be the right one)

[grave hawk]

is it slaughter or brutal momentum for the second blessing

so the super fast firing one is the better one, vraks?

[stable socket]

i believe so, yeah

[tall torrent]

Power sword, run either BM or sunder

[grave hawk]

why is punishing salvo so bad?

[hybrid plover]

weakspot damage

[grave hawk]

can you elaborate

[unreal nova]

Weakspot and crit DAMAGE is caculated meme bad in tide games.

For example.

Your weapon does 100 damage base, 150 on crit, 150 on weak spot and 200 on crit weak spot.

Lets take 20% weakspot damage buff.

You don't do 180 damage, you do 160 damage.

Because you only do 20% more on 50 damage.

[unreal nova]

See above.

[grave hawk]

damn

[unreal nova]

I'm just using simple numbers so I don't have to actually math, but the idea is the same.

[grave hawk]

that explains alot

[unreal nova]

Even for the crit weak spot, it just increases it to 210. XD

[grave hawk]

yeah i looked at the guide but didnt understand it

that makes alot more sense now

[unreal nova]

Why garbo unless the number is high on a weapon that does INSANE bonus damage on weakspots or cits.

Or both.

[grave hawk]

like DS

[unreal nova]

Since you know.

Why I wouldn't say much if you put crit chance, but crit damage is pointless.

[grave hawk]

yeah on my recon las i added crit chance

for the ammo

[unreal nova]

Cos the bad crit weapons uses it more for INF ammo.

XD

Recon.

Well, it lets you burn more but still.

It's a bullet... uhhh, lazer hose.

[tame granite]

recon is my favourite cause it's the closest to how I've always imagined a lasgun to work so I'll use it even if other stuff clears it

just an endless flurry of pews

[tall torrent]

U could check the end damage illustration section

That part shows how every type gets applied

[stark holly]

IF YOU HAVE RENDING FROM UNCANNY STRIKES, DOES PENETRATION DO ANYTHING?

oops caps lock

i cant tell if penetration would effect "effectiveness against armored enemies" if you are ignoring 100% of the armors damage mitigation in the first place

[tropic halo]

Rending is exactly damage increase on armour

[stark holly]

right, so is "penetration" as a stat pointless if you have 100% rending?

or does it still amplify damage

[fervent quest]

Excess adm is converted to damage but I forget at what rate

[calm shard]

every 4% rending is 1% damage

[fervent quest]

So a weapon with minimum penetration and max rending stacks would be doing less damage than a mobility dump max pen with equal rending stacks

[calm shard]

over 100

[fervent quest]

Ty

[stark holly]

I see, thanks

[reef owl]

Hey, so what's the best strategy for a crappy vet player to get the On Overwatch penance

(the crappy vet player is me)

I've managed to laboriously grind out every other one but somehow have never once been able to avoid getting bonked

[dry cloak]

die from plasma overload at the start of the train mission let rest of the team finish the mission

[tepid otter]

Is that how you did it

[reef owl]

Lol does that still work??

[tepid otter]

Is Overwatch the one where you can't take melee dmg

[dry cloak]

no i did it before train was a thing

with stealth vet

[reef owl]

Yep that's the one

Have done like, 10 runs where I ended up with 149 health due to receiving two melee bonks in a row lol

[tepid otter]

Got it on accident so I can't say much

Uhh, shout helps alot imo, and Out for Blood kept my toughness decently high for every kill

[reef owl]

I mean the real answer is definitely "get good" but I'm like 400 hours into the game and starting to think that my tired old 30-something synapses aren't up to the task

Do you happen to remember what level you were on? Feel like Chasm Station would be easiest but here we are

[tepid otter]

Map lvl? Uhh, not really that was a while back

[reef owl]

Ah no worries then

[tepid otter]

Think it was the kill the Nurgle Tree one but I can't say for sure

[reef owl]

Jeez, crazy

The actual tree bit is always so hectic

[tepid otter]

They tend to all feel the same after awhile so I dont think there's a map I like or dislike at this point

Well.. maybe the one with cliffs at the start actually, nvm

[reef owl]

True enough lol

[quick shell]

I feel like it’s a lot less crazy that it used to be

[unreal nova]

Actually tryhard with dueling sword with agile and shout.

[austere mica]

Ds agile is lame

[unreal nova]

I have done it multiple times on heresy and damns now.

[austere mica]

Use shovel or smth

A stagger melee is just as good for it

[unreal nova]

He asked for on overwatch. Either way, is more his playstyle.

[serene bough]

can you still cheese that penance

[austere mica]

Yeah

[unreal nova]

Just need someone to solo it basically.

[serene bough]

i remember getting after loading into the end of hab dreyko long ago

[unreal nova]

I know shovel works, GF did it at lvl 3 with it lul.

[dull goblet]

which vet weapons need rending strikes? don't know when its needed or not in a build

[tall torrent]

Yea, I can help u do it

[tall torrent]

Vigilant auto (all)
Infantry auto (mk I and VIII)
Recon las (all)
Infantry las (all)
DC sword (all)

[dull goblet]

Thanks! Im running recon las with onslaught rn is it fine to stack em both together?

[tall torrent]

U could, but wouldn’t recommend

Cuz onslaught basically only matters for shooting at crushers

And that’s not a great habit to have

[dull goblet]

ahh aight gotcha, I'll switch it out then thanks! The math confuses me lol

[turbid ibex]

You know what wont confuse you tho?

[tall torrent]

Check the pinned guide here for brittleness/rending function

[turbid ibex]

The meth

[dull goblet]

❤️

[kindred shore]

are the 2 tougness nodes and 1 toughness DR node bait on the talent tree

after the talent rework it was fine but after hive scum released i started going down more so i genuinely dunno anymore

[tall torrent]

the 25 toughness nodes, very good

the 10% TDR node, usually not worth grabbing unless u specifically play marksman's focus with a non-las weapon (only for pathing)

[wheat stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/amazed-shock-gif-4983320

[hidden scroll]

the pinned guide recommends 1 hp curio for veteran, so that would make it 1 hp, 1 toughness, 1 stamina curio, correct?

the guide says 1 hp curio to reach >100 health, but i'm confused because don't i already have more than that? does the guide mean >100 hp excess?

[unreal nova]

Really depends on melee and deadshot or not build. You usually want 2 toughness, 1 hp/1 stam. The over 100 is mostly for havoc.

You get less toughness and hp there.

[barren nexus]

blessed be the emperor

the armoury gave me a 420 curio just as i was looking into them

[barren nexus]

what would the best perks be

im completely new to curios lol i just put what i think is best

[unreal nova]

Sub perks?

[barren nexus]

yup

[unreal nova]

Really up to you.

I personally run cdr, toughness and stam regen.

Some will tell you to go gunner resist especially for havoc.

[barren nexus]

so gunner resist would be minmax for havoc?

[unreal nova]

2 gunner, 1 revive is also common choice.

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

You go from instantly dead to 1 sec before ded as the joke goes.

[barren nexus]

dayum

[unreal nova]

It's still time to slide or dodge instead of dead/downed.

[barren nexus]

ill have to keep that in mind when i step into havoc ig

[unreal nova]

Mhm. Do note you will be crazy paper there after a point. The hp is a must to not insta die from a burster.

[quick shell]

Imo run triple revive or none

[tall torrent]

gunner resist, stamina regen, extra toughness, extra docket, revive speed (only for havoc), cooldown

[quick shell]

Gunners and shooters are the scariest things in havoc really

[tall torrent]

cooldown is not required on rly any class (it's much smaller impact than people think)

the only class that rly noticeably gets value out of cooldown curio perk is prob psyker

and this is due to how cooldown is calculated

[barren nexus]

i run executioner stance so im not really worried abt cooldown lol

[unreal nova]

To some, having that shout be back a little faster can make or break a clutch.

[quick shell]

But it’s generally not that impactful

[barren nexus]

no toughness regen?

[unreal nova]

That's junk.

[quick shell]

Toughness regen is totally useless never use it

[unreal nova]

Do not.

[tall torrent]

no, it only affects coherency-based toughness regeneration

[barren nexus]

ah ok

[tall torrent]

it's a really small difference

because CD rate actually causes diminishing returns on cooldown reduction

[unreal nova]

Is a situational thing, plus, curios is mostly to your playstyle.

[quick shell]

Yeah because it’s % based

[tall torrent]

and most CD related talents are CD rate now

[quick shell]

Zealot Cdr is, I believe vet Cdr is

[barren nexus]

how abt max health

[tall torrent]

most are

[quick shell]

I think you always want at least 1 max health roll?

[tall torrent]

check up on the pinned guide here, I explained all curio perks and when u might want to take them

[quick shell]

Idk what the burster breakpoint is

[barren nexus]

i mean for the sub perks

[quick shell]

Yes I meant sub perks

[tall torrent]

100hp

[unreal nova]

Mostly for havoc. You can totally eat a burster on auric.

[tall torrent]

well technically it's 50hp

u need half of ur hp to be >50

to not die to burster in 1 hit at full hp

[thick needle]

How does one farm a 410+ Stamina curio

[orchid hemlock]

Melk

[thick needle]

Do you just full upgrade +2 staminas until you spot it

Or is there an earlier indicator to spot

[orchid hemlock]

If it says +3 then it's +3

[thick needle]

I've never seen a +3 in 950 hours

[orchid hemlock]

They are real

[unreal nova]

I have like 4-9 on each my chars so actually real. They are the only 430s I have even.

[tall torrent]

if rating 410+, it's real +3 stamina

[thick needle]

So if it says +3 and it's 410+ rating, that means it's truly a +3 stamina curio

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

Some say 400s can be a real +3 due to rounding, but it's like a 1% of all 400 +3.

Better to save time and not bother.

410+ is guaranteed.

[thick needle]

Second question (sorry about all the questions I'm learning about a lot of shit for the first time reading Hammer of the Emperor)
The health reductions on Havoc seem to begin at Havoc 30+, right?

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure they start even before.

[mystic pilot]

Curio +1 wound(s). Should have given me 4 wounds on my veteran right? But was it turned off on the first maelstrom mission i did?

[unreal nova]

Mael is heresy or auric.

You start with 2 wounds.

[mystic pilot]

Oooh

Well good thing i had my curio on

[unreal nova]

Only 3 base for oggies.

[mystic pilot]

So recommend curios are still toughness, stamina and wound even for heresy level?

[unreal nova]

No. Never wounds.

You either go tough tough hp, tough tough stam, tough tough tough or stam tough hp.

You want hp in havoc.

[mystic pilot]

Oh FFS

I misunderstood @tall torrent two days ago

He said health, i saw wound

[unreal nova]

Wounds is really only for martyrdom zealots.

[unreal nova]

Oh.

Lul.

[thick needle]

Good Ol Marty Thammer

[unreal nova]

It's mostly cos in higher difficulties, going down is really bad since it gets harder to pick up and rescue.

Unless your team coordinates and runs set ups that help with it.

You are better off with more hp or toughness so you don't go down in the first place.

[thick needle]

I've seen Only In Death clutch a few times

[mystic pilot]

nice. that's a keeper

[spark iron]

Do the armored scab ragers still count as maniac? Or only flak/carapace?

[tall torrent]

Flak weakspot
Carapace torso
Flak base

[unreal nova]

My OCD says no. If it was just karked Mobility and Defence, sure.

[spark iron]

Never felt dopamine like this before

[gentle lake]

https://tenor.com/view/67-67-kid-edit-analog-horror-phonk-gif-3349401281762803381

[mystic pilot]

refining traits on my assault chainsword, which should i prioritize the most?

[hollow ibex]

i'd go with unyielding flak

because if i'm running chord

i'd take kraks

[mystic pilot]

all done. Now I just have to empower it

[hollow ibex]

i'd do shred / wrath

i don't think bloodletter is worth it

esp if you do kraks

[thorny egret]

I swapped Bloodletter for Wrath and I have to agree

also hi y'all

[leaden flower]

Trying to roll into a good duelling sword may kill me, my HS has about 5 god rolls but I can't find any for my vet yet 💀

[mystic pilot]

wait so. what does the Tiers mean in the guide?

[arctic rampart]

now imagine the pain before the crafting rework.

[leaden flower]

Fortunately I have only picked up the game in the last month, I am so new to it

[arctic rampart]

that's cool. game's in a better state than it was back then! didn't know darktide was getting new users. some kind of sale?

[thorny egret]

it's on sale for 10 dollars on steam rn

[hollow ibex]

Lower the tier the better

So tier 0 is optimal blessings

[leaden flower]

Super cheap on steam atm, picked up the dlcs too, big fan of 40k and necromunda so why not try it

[mystic pilot]

oh so take both Shred and Wrath

[thorny egret]

yup! it's a great combo on CS

[hollow ibex]

CS REALLY wants both

[mystic pilot]

yeah gonna have to go back and fix blessings on my maxed combat shotgun as well

[hollow ibex]

Wrath because the cleave is kinda shit

Shred because chords whole thing is not having finesse drop off

When cleaving

[thorny egret]

once Chainsword gets going it's a blast tho

just ripping through enemies and screaming about Cadia

[mystic pilot]

oh only one pick for Tier 0 on combat shot gun

tier 1 has only two choices. Manstopper and No Respite

I went with Manstopper last time

[thorny egret]

that's my loadout as well

[mystic pilot]

just three more levels to max out assault chainsword mastery

[tall torrent]

tier 0 = best
tier 1 = good

[mystic pilot]

yeah I misinterpreted it as "Tier 0; Pick One for First blessing. Tier 1: pick one for Second blessing"

[spark iron]

What's the most health you can get on a curio?

[narrow frost]

21%

[mystic pilot]

you can get that by empowering and consecrating right?

[narrow frost]

no

curio base stats don't change

you need to roll base stat

[spark iron]

Btw does block efficiency count towards devil claw parry?

[narrow frost]

yes

[tall torrent]

yes but doesn't affect the perfect block stamina cap

[spark iron]

Hellll yeah

[hollow ibex]

block effic is a meme, sorry

[spark iron]

Don't care didn't ask

[narrow frost]

use +9 stam with block eff, stam regen

I used it once

was very funny

use exstance too

it gives you toughness regen and stagger immunity

[hearty panther]

3x sprint eff, 3x block eff, 3x stam regen, +9 stam

[hollow ibex]

don't care, telling you anyway

[narrow frost]

thats how I built psyker back when I was newwer

+9 stam

all with stamina perks

[mystic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/tedlasso-yikes-gif-27201348

[narrow frost]

really made you need to learn the game

[hearty panther]

with KD on psyker is funny cause ill just hold block and sip my coffee while twenty ragers strike at me uselessly like the brits at gallipoli

[hollow ibex]

ah yes

my teammate after they set off the DH

and expect me to take a bunch of corruption to save them

(i'm moving on)

[spark iron]

Certified Winston Churchill moment

[tall torrent]

they shud honestly merge sprint and block cost into a singular perk

[hearty panther]

probably the worst thing he ever did to britain (but not the worst thing he ever did)

[tall torrent]

make it like x90% stamina cost

[mystic pilot]

so the maximum is 17% for the curio main stats?

[tall torrent]

for all stamina cost actions

[hearty panther]

i mean, yeah id be totally down for a generic 'stamina efficiency' perk

[tall torrent]

toughness is 17%
health is 21%
stamina is 3

[mystic pilot]

ah

[hearty panther]

zealot has that aura now so the concept exists

and i like that aura

[spark iron]

Same that aura is so slept on

[mystic pilot]

thanks!

[hearty panther]

it's hard to ignore the value of 15% TDR tbf and Bacon of Purity when it's good is REEAAALLY good

but having zealous + relentless fervor + my usual sprint/block eff + a combat knife is so silly

[charred halo]

which power falchion mark is the good one

[hollow ibex]

1

[narrow widget]

damn path finally released hammer of the emperor guide wtf

never thought it would happen

[hollow ibex]

it came out last year!

[uncut pewter]

Beware of the fact that they can leave and the DH change targets to you

That’s what happened to me before

[hollow ibex]

lol if that happens, iiwii

[uncut pewter]

Yeah but was playing relic blade zealot with good anti boss damage so fortunately didn’t pose much of a problem

The bewildering part as that I was actually helping them, I would’ve probably killed the boss if they stayed in corner with block and dodges

[mystic pilot]

Wait can you switch Marks on hellbore?

[uncut pewter]

As in weapon marks?

Yes

Same tab where you can alter appearances

[mystic pilot]

Now im wondering why i got a Mk V and MIV with perfect stats for hellbore

[uncut pewter]

Open inventory click on the weapon in question and there should be marks option

[mystic pilot]

I know

[hallow drift]

MkIV for silly railgun gameplay, MkV is “better infantry lasgun” iirc

I’d say you won’t have to swap between blessings but I think Helbore just uses Chain of Fire and the headshot critical one

On all marks, that is. But don’t listen to me I don’t play vet

[hollow ibex]

surgical + weight of fire my beloved

[charred halo]

is this good

[keen geyser]

Am I correct in understanding that all lasgun builds (except for the recon one) are tied to headshots?

[tall torrent]

swap decapitator for energy leakage or wrath

and swap elite for carapace

[charred halo]

why, the other one has more damage

[hollow ibex]

stat card isn't reflective of actual use

mk1 has the better moveset

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422251612688355411/50CA021.MP4?ex=695be008&is=695a8e88&hm=13c5beb1f7f5384960d4252ab187cf7fed444733c5268a73a5409690ed0d827b&

good luck doing this with the mk2

[charred halo]

is whatever the fuck this is just pa+light

[hollow ibex]

yes

mk1 allows you to skip using heavies entirely

which is really good

because falchion heavies are fucking ass

[hollow ibex]

oh this is on the old crusher hp

you need one more light now

[charred halo]

mhm

weapon specialsit is the go to with the melee build with this right

[mystic pilot]

from the Guide TM

[hollow ibex]

you will want WS prob yeah

[dreamy sphinx]

should i pick this up from milkman? i really fucking hate the power sword and have no idea how the falchion plays

[mystic pilot]

two 79% irks me, If it was 61%, and 1 79%

that's just me

[dreamy sphinx]

yeah, its annoying but counterpoint

[mystic pilot]

I mean this was posted

[dreamy sphinx]

im broke as fuck lmao

[mystic pilot]

if you can change the mark to Mark 1, you can do that combo in video

[hollow ibex]

honestly with mk1

even light spam is a good ST combo

if you don't want to drain your stam or break your fingers doing PA L

[arctic rampart]

y u hate ps it is da bestest

[dreamy sphinx]

ps is fucking dogshit

[charred halo]

not when you minmax the shit out of it and activate literally every 3 hits

then it becomes pretty nice

[hollow ibex]

It’s only the strongest melee in the game

I can understand not liking it

But it’s objectively powerful

[charred halo]

the sheer amount of damage ps can do

[faint beacon]

Overpowered as fuck but so fucking boring to play that I unironically condone of calling it dogshit

What sucks is Falchion is just the absolute definition of mediocre

And it’s so fucking painful cause it feels fun using

Mfw the power weapon needs rending strikes to actually do damage against armor

Certified power Falchion moment

[dreamy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-the-hand-that-feeds-you-smiling-friends-true-meme-funny-gif-7426912519711512087

ive been tempted to pick up things like the devils claw just so i actually have to try and play the game instead of "haha power swing make horde go bye bye"

[sonic kayak]

Why not?

D Claw is fun if niche

Wouldn't use it in Havoc though, around 20-25 enemy hitmass is too high

[faint beacon]

See if it was DS I would’ve bullied you

[fair shale]

DClaw is genuinely the most fun melee in this game for me entirely cause of the Parry

[faint beacon]

But the fact it’s DC I can massively respect it seeing you’re making yourself learn proper positioning

That or Vets ol reliable

Tac Axe/Shovel

[fair shale]

TAxe fun, Shovel fun tbh

Shovel really nice unironically

[chrome bridge]

mk1 shovel best melee

[dreamy sphinx]

i fucking love the shovel, im god awful with it but i fucking love it

[abstract sand]

power sword is just kind of poorly designed

[sonic kayak]

I used to use the DClaw as my main melee for Vet up until Havoc 1.0

[faint beacon]

Both you just gotta learn how to use special

Cause they both stagger everything In the game aside from bosses

Tac Axe my beloved

[faint beacon]

Poorly designed but incredibly fucking powerful, it’s why I don’t like Plasma either

[abstract sand]

Yuuup

[faint beacon]

Incredibly simple gameplay that actually makes my brain feel like it’s being actively boiled

Why I’m usually running Vigilant Autos + Tac Axe

[abstract sand]

i enjoy a bit of brainrot gameplay

[fair shale]

Tbh my go to melee for vet nowadays is TAxe

Back in ye olden days it was CAxe cause PS alternative

But i grew out of that

[sonic kayak]

I use the PSword on my main build but that's mostly out of neccessity; it doesn't have Trench Fighter

[faint beacon]

Caxe is still an Alternative just uh

[austere mica]

It really all just comes back to tac axe

[fair shale]

PSword is just

So

[sonic kayak]

With that being said, I push with it the same as anyone else

[faint beacon]

Yeah PS Unintentionally got buffed cause of tree rework

[fair shale]

Idk

Press power up

Swing

Press power up

Swing

[faint beacon]

Immediately win

[fair shale]

(Three times)

It doesn't engage me

Its why I dont like CAxe either

M1m1m1m1m1m1m1

[abstract sand]

ds4
inferno staff
brunts basher
arbites shock maul
shivs
rashad

every single weapon I use is braindead and I need to find something new

[faint beacon]

I get bored of it

Pick up Falchion

[abstract sand]

oh wait i use pickaxe too

[sonic kayak]

Could've fooled me, the way these Vets run power weapons and fold to trash

[abstract sand]

lolz

[faint beacon]

Realize why I don’t play Falchion

[fair shale]

Try out the TAxe tbh, iirc the VII is the one I prefer

[faint beacon]

And then play Taxe again

It’s a vicious cycle

[dreamy sphinx]

now im very interested and convinced to run my kriegsless kriegswoman loadout again

[abstract sand]

my zealot is ds4/flamer with book and it just feels like the game plays itself in maelstrom

[faint beacon]

Dookie shart PLEASE buff this potential melee even if it’s small stagger changes/ADM changes

I fucking BEG

[abstract sand]

i should check out tacaxe and thunder hammer

[faint beacon]

What mark exactly of Helby

Cause if it’s MkIV you can turn it into a nuke everything button

[abstract sand]

if i could ask one thing of fatshark

[dreamy sphinx]

running 3a last time i was playing it

[abstract sand]

my simple humble request

Power Fist

🥹

[dreamy sphinx]

probably will go back to 4

[faint beacon]

IIIa is Jack of all trades

IV just run Surgical + Weight of Fire

Unyielding + Carapace

[fair shale]

Sten gun ass Helbore

[faint beacon]

Dunks on literally everything

British coded Helbore

[sonic kayak]

Also Mk 4 rhymes with Helbore

[faint beacon]

More MkIV propaganda

Keep it coming

Literally the only thing me and Higui agree on

[sonic kayak]

All in or go home

[faint beacon]

Vigilant Autogun propaganda

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-keep-the-rent-low-in-my-neighbourhoo-chief-keef-gif-5043739507113617112

How I keep the rent low in Vet Chat

[fair shale]

Vigilant good

[faint beacon]

Don’t let a decent chunk of the playerbase hear you man they’re still stuck on it being bad

I’m still baffled

It took me 3k hours to find another Vigilant Main in pubs

Honestly thinking about it I think it’s just people struggle to click on heads for some reason

No fucking clue why

[willow siren]

what build do you run with it

[faint beacon]

Especially when you’re playing the class that wants to click heads

[regal smelt]

the 3x burst with headhunter is busted as shit

[fair shale]

idc i think a decent chunk of the playerbase is not worth listening to lmfao

[willow siren]

havent seriosuly played vet in a good while and scum is making me worse at the game by being too easy

[faint beacon]

I tend to get more value from Surgical but if you’re being far more aggressive I see the argument

Especially with WS

[regal smelt]

I would to if headhunter didn't get 2 stacks per headshot 80% of the time for some reason

so you actually get 100% crit rate as long as the head you're shooting doesnt die before the burst ends

[faint beacon]

It kinda just boils down to you need to take Rending Strikes cause it noticeably jumps it’s damage up

[austere mica]

Because my aim is terrible

And my tracking is worse

[faint beacon]

It’s more cause a good chunk of the special kills I’ll actually stop and aim for a second so the Crit chance will ramp up, but rushing everything down and even having good hipfire aim

I genuinely see the value in headhunter over surgical

Deadly Accurate though is a must

[regal smelt]

I am sad that even with the increased mag capacity vet got, crucian roulette is completely outclassed by both of those crit chance blessings

[faint beacon]

I think it’s more just how situational crucian is on the gun

[tall torrent]

I actually think tac axe is significantly simpler than power sword

[austere mica]

It kinda is

It just doesn't feel like it

And thats what matters

[tall torrent]

u don't even need to read enemy atk animation most of the time with tac axe

[faint beacon]

Reminder that Graia Vigi is able to run Opening Salvo + Ghost

[tall torrent]

crucian is ass

0.6% crit chance no thx

[faint beacon]

Yeah that just plays into why Headhunter and Surgical are better

They just offer WAY more

Honestly should try to use Falchion again cause it’s fun but just “Potential Melee”

[willow siren]

i like it, first thing i tried after picking vet up again

[warm vortex]

Hey for the Penance Havoc on Hand how do i assist people in Havocs i know i cant start them so do i just hit Quickplay and pray or how does it work

[narrow frost]

Win havocs without being the host

so find party finder havos or play with friends

[mystic pilot]

we're the minority on the discord and reddit compared to how many people play the game itself

[warm vortex]

All my friends hate the game so this boutta be fun

[narrow frost]

can always use the LFG channels in this server

[warm vortex]

I get ignored like the pest on there

[regal smelt]

After doing more testing I'm realizing that weapon customization mod absolutely ruins psykhanium testing

idk why but it just gives me double the damage and buff stacks

[mystic pilot]

oof

[regal smelt]

rip the dream of killing a crusher in a single burst, the red dot sight lies

[dreamy sphinx]

agony

[willow siren]

my guess is that it's readign 2 different guns

and doubling the stack count

[grave hawk]

for melee vet

is there other weapons to use instead of power sword

[dreamy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/shovel-25-1-shovel-gif-12552119764853288207

[grave hawk]

something that is a bit more functional without the special constantly havign to be turned on

shovel eh?

[dreamy sphinx]

live by the shovel and die by the shovel
picked it back up for a few games and fell in love with it again

[mystic pilot]

axes!

https://tenor.com/view/axe-lotr-gif-5532799

or assault chainsword

rev it up and tear it up

[grave hawk]

i was wondering about that

ive noticed alot of people dont really rec the chainswords

[regal smelt]

bleed knife is good

[mystic pilot]

@grave hawk probably why it isn't recommended much

er doh

chainsword here

[distant plaza]

i kinda like the chainaxe >.>

[mystic pilot]

chainswords need to hit weakspots to get around tougher armor

you can look up detail on the chainsword in game, it'll give you breakdown in damage vs target types

[grave hawk]

really the axe??

[sinful palm]

you want some ?