veteran-class

[junior grail]

Yea but if Rampage ends, there's no stamina anyway

[raw sky]

yeah about All or Nothing

7% is terrible by any metric right?

doubly so when it comes with downside?

because that was my first thought when i saw the talent - wanting to make a push spam shovel

but it feels horrible

[calm shard]

it's for every 20% of your max stamina missing

so multiply it by 5 and that's the bonus you get at 0 stamina

[raw sky]

OHHHHHH

thanks a bunch

[tame lodge]

It's actually one of the ok blessings

But you know

Just ok is not enough

[charred halo]

is infantry lasgun good at all

[dry cloak]

in its current state

you can use it sure

but its not really good

the best infatry las is mk5 helbore

[unreal nova]

I always joke a vet starts with only a shovel for a reason.

[serene bough]

Not necessarily, it can work in auric but you need heavy point investment

[heavy rover]

It's usable, but the helbore does overshadow it

[crude wind]

I'd say it's among one of the worst weapons in the game atm

Outclassed in every way by its fellow laser weapons the Recon and Helbore

[quick shell]

the laspistol is also there

and i think does a similar job but better no?

[fair shale]

Correct

Its just shorter range

[stable socket]

without the fullauto mod, laspistol and inf las feel borderline unplayable to me - having to click for every shot is actual suffering

[serene bough]

Laspistol has great finesse multipliers and mobility that puts it well above ilas

ilas just doesn't fit well in the current meta

[fair shale]

Weak fingers

[woven cove]

I crit a dude for his entire health bar and he somehow still has 1 HP left?

[tame lodge]

Sounds like shovel

[tepid otter]

closs nuff

[fleet cloud]

how does vet feel atm? any good builds?

[fleet cloud]

i actually know about this. certain enemies have a stopgap that keeps them from being one shot. they can have 1700hp, you do 3000 dmg in one shot, and they will have 1 hp remaining.

crushers are another enemy like this i believe

they just have so much HP and armor that you generally never notice because your gonna hit them at least two times anyway

[dry cloak]

All classes are in very good spot.

[hollow ibex]

Very good

What sort of build are you looking for?

Pinned guide has basic builds to get you started

[signal juniper]

Anybody has a build for spearhead boltgun

[tender oar]

What are some good perks to take Ive basically neglected them taking whatever and I'm looking to redo them

[hollow ibex]

usually it's some mix of flak unyielding carapace maniac or crit chance

dependent on weapon

[prisma vessel]

hey boys and boyettes

any fun Exe Stan Bolter build? 😄

[grave hawk]

i always go for bleed + brittle

[faint beacon]

Snipe 7 Billion Heretics
@signal juniper @prisma vessel

[prisma vessel]

gobless

[faint beacon]

I LOVE 1 TAPPING REAPERS

[prisma vessel]

BOLBGUN

[faint beacon]

Perks or Talents?

Perks are like +X% Damage Against (Certain Armor Type) on weapons

Talents are Class Skills

or Modifiers

[calm shard]

I would say the laspistol is overshadowing it more

since the laspistol is literally just the same gun with better stats

[faint beacon]

Helbore is kind of its own thing

[signal juniper]

Nice although can i replace the axe with a shovel or a knife?

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[tender oar]

Talents

[faint beacon]

This is the general build must picks

obviously empty areas being up to personal choice

[prisma vessel]

ngl

having to carry hard on a bolter shooty vet

was quite a rush

[faint beacon]

Nuke everything the build

[tender oar]

Thanks

[upper dock]

What is the dumb for hellbore?

[hollow ibex]

stab or ammo

[quick shell]

i feel like stab kinda totally mogs there tho no?

[uncut pewter]

Can I suggest new meta composition

4 veterans with max wounds curios, and a shout that revives down allies and corruption resistances.

[calm shard]

When I ws playing Helbore earlier I actually died and was actively gaining ammo while shooting after getting rezzed

[uncut pewter]

And just keep reviving each other nonstop /s

[faint beacon]

woundteran

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-stan-twt-meme-guy-screaming-on-rollercoaster-tweaker-gif-13273390562188425021

[thorny egret]

should I do Helbore with VoC?

[dry cloak]

sure

good choice even

just be sure to take shock trooper

[calm shard]

worse than exe

helbore is a hungry gun and it wants your talent points

[dry cloak]

even wothout perks its very reliable

[velvet gale]

Do Veterans naturally carry more ammo than other classes?

[dry cloak]

no

[austere mica]

They have a bottom tree talent for +25% ammo

[quick shell]

they have an aura that gives them some ammo regen

[velvet gale]

I see, thank you 🙂

[thorny egret]

honestly I've fallen out of love with Executioner's Stance and I've been moving back to VoC and Infiltrate

[charred halo]

does Psword dump mobility on cleave targets

[heavy rover]

Cleave targets

[thorny egret]

snagged this yesterday and now I'm grinding to upgrade it

[short gyro]

The ability modifier "only in death does duty end" that allows veteran to pickup downed allies with their shout, is it good or bad? because it also reduces the ability radius and increases the ability cooldown.

[dry cloak]

Not really useful

[short gyro]

thanks 👍🏼

[charred halo]

at what level should i start gambling for godroll weapons

[thorny egret]

I wait until 30 before I start rolling

[steel barn]

Yeah level 30 imo because then all weapons you roll will be between like 280 and 330 power level

[signal juniper]

Ive used it before and it never worked for reviving allies, idk if its bugged

[narrow yacht]

how do we feel about covering fire on vet? it sounds really good in theory

decently good at least

[calm shard]

it's garbage in theory because low uptime, and garbage in practice because low uptime and only applies to your teammates

[thorny egret]

yeah there's a reason the builds stick with the nodes on the chart

[orchid hemlock]

Dogshit

[orchid hemlock]

Dog

[quick seal]

why is plasma gun's ideal roll a weird stat spread? Usually you'd want 60 in one and 80 in everything else, but for plasma gun you want
80% everything else
69% Thermal Resist
71% Charge Rate

[radiant mulch]

On the vet I just did the on overwatch penance which is one of the hardest in the game imo. I realized about halfway through the train mission and just played very safe in the meantime.

On the same mission I got the penance for doing a mission without any ammo remaining and at least 90% accuracy with no ammo remaining. Doing those triggered the achievement for the heresy difficulty helmet.

On the previous mission I got the kill 5 elites in a single volley fire while iron sights on heresy difficulty. I wasn’t even going for that one. It just kind of happened.

Think I used up all my luck for the end of the year on that one.

[distant plaza]

because 68.?? percent thermal resist gets you 8 uncharged, primary shots before overheating
69% is safely 8 shots

[quick seal]

I see

And we are in agreement about
Rising Heat (Up to +20% Strength scaling with Heat Level) and Gets Hot (Critical hit chance scales by your current heat level up to +10%. Also increases critical ranged attacks damage by +10%)?

What about +25% damage to maniac and unyielding?

Are there any alternatives or are those blessings/modifiers the go-to?

[stable socket]

there's a guide in the pinned messages that (iirc) has all the answers to your questions

[quick seal]

yeah I'm reading it right now (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3367063781) but I still had questions so I figured I'd ask #veteran-class

It doesn't really explain anything, it just tells you the numbers and breakpoints but doesn't tell you why or how each blessing compares to each other nor what modifiers to choose

[hollow ibex]

for plasma it's because of breakpoints

what breakpoints idk

[stable socket]

prolly both gunners and tox bomber cuz gunners are unarmored/flak on head depending on faction and tox bomber is unarmored

[quick seal]

I'm not sure I understood that

The suggested modifiers are +25% damage to maniacs and unyielding, but I should focus on gunners and tox bombers? Or I should not focus on gunners and tox bombers and focus on everything else?

[stable socket]

wait, what? isn't the suggested modifier flak unarmored?

[wheat stratus]

vets are breaking this game

tone it down please

[stable socket]

you kill whatever is most threatening at the moment, most of the time it's disablers > bombers > other specials > gunners. having good breakpoints is just nice because the more things you can oneshot the better

use melee on dogs and mutants if you can because using guns on those is usually not efficient

[dusk zenith]

whats the easiest way to get on over watch?

i’ll say that make every shot count was easy with a db shotgun despite having a teammate with scavenger

[frigid rover]

...what is the argument for vet lol

psyker i understand

[surreal rune]

69 thermal allows you 8 shots before you must cool it down, and it also allows you to get 2 shots off (instead of one) after you do a quick cooldown. the charge rate is simply min maxing the charge rate while also having the perks of 69+ thermal

[narrow frost]

doing a speedrun with a friend, and you jump off the map at the start

or train

[fair shale]

Yeah

[dusk zenith]

would first mission work?

[fair shale]

You didn't take melee damage

Long as you stay dead all mission it doesn't matter which iirc

[narrow frost]

sycorex is best for that

[dusk zenith]

very good to know

[narrow frost]

ledge at start

and one of the fastest missions to speedrun

[wheat stratus]

psykers are perfectly balanced, clearly vets are throwing too many kraks around 😤

[frigid rover]

chievo unlock date: dec 2022
oh wow, i actually forgot what year the game came out
honestly dont remember if i did it legit

[fair shale]

I got it sweating my ass off on a throneside mission

Back either in or just after closed beta

[faint beacon]

Its literally just shit we already discussed about Vet being Overpowered and wanted tuning down anyways

aka Plasma + VOC meta

I kid you not I skimmed it for the sake of it and yeah

thats the jist of it

[frigid rover]

dont think i played for more than 30ish hours before mostly dropping the game, until recently
seems to be in a much better state nowadays even if there are still some headaches

[faint beacon]

Also Kraks are in there as an OP choice which I mean like?... Eh?

I honestly could see a nerf of like 90 seconds off of grenade regen being a fix

[quick seal]

yeah i watched the video it's just "shout staggers everything and plasma shoots through everything" 😞 like

[faint beacon]

I skimmed through it cause I refuse to fully watch it, out of curiosity

its basically just Kraks (Which I dont know why they're in there)

Plasma and VOC

which these two have been discussed COUNTLESS Times

to be Overpowered as shit and needing to be tuned/reworked

so Veterans can use other choices as well

[frigid rover]

...some of these are pretty funny in hindsight tbh

[faint beacon]

Nvm its literally because it Turns rotten armor into easy mode which is like- I mean thats the fucking point

[frigid rover]

Achievement Unlocked: hit FOUR shots in a row (impossible)

[faint beacon]

thats what kraks do

They're shit at everything but Single Target

[frigid rover]

the thunder hammer deletes big single targets, pls nerf

[quick seal]

frankly I don't even think this should even be included in the discussion. The crux of the argument is that psyker flamer can do flamer stuff without spending flamer ammo, unlike zealot flamer. I don't think having regenerating kraks comes close to the flamer discussion. But whatever. The actual argument should be to give #veteran-class a flamer. A flamer pistol. Hand flamer

[faint beacon]

Anyways its literally just

Overpowered shit thats already overpowered being stated

Psyker though is the bigger outlier

Fucker needs 100 nerfs to even be remotely balanced atp

[junior grail]

Give Vet Flamer then Zealot gets a Heavy Flamer

[quick seal]

meltagun? Inferno pistol? I'd love to see vet with some of that psyker/zealot flamer action that they're always taking part of

[junior grail]

Heavy Flamer can set the ground on fire has some armour pen but can overheat

[frigid rover]

give vet the funny dwarf fire pistolas from vermintide

fuck i forget what they're called

probably like the Dawi Immolatox Handgonnes or something.

[junior grail]

Imagine a ranged weapon with true unlimited ammo that's not a Staff

[frigid rover]

'drakefire pistols' i was close

[junior grail]

Still hopium for Plasmapistol

[quick seal]

am I doing this right? @distant plaza @surreal rune I'm at 68% thermal resist but I can get 8 shots off before I hit max heat. I must've rolled the higher end of the decimal point behind 68.

[surreal rune]

the range is from 68 and above

but the actual value of the percentage which is listed as 68%, sometimes may not yield the same output

yours is good i think

[quick seal]

I see. Thanks for confirming

Just wanted to run my plasma gun by #veteran-class before I upgrade it all the way to transcendant 👍 thanks agian

[surreal rune]

can you shoot twice after a quick cooldown on overheat?

i think it would, probably, but just checking

[quick seal]

I think so. can you confirm?

[surreal rune]

yep thats good

perfect roll

[quick seal]

I was able to shoot twice by spam-clicking right after I pressed vent once, that's what's supposed to happen, right?

[quick seal]

Dope thanks

gonna upgrade it to transcendant quality now 👍

[thorny egret]

congrats!

[quick seal]

thanks!

[rustic hemlock]

which specials/elites need to be charged shot with plasma gun and which ones can just be tapped with LMB?

[narrow frost]

left click 100% of the time

[calm shard]

anything that does not die to left click will not die to the plasma gun

[dusk zenith]

pardon my ignorance, how can i find a fireteam for penances?

[split swan]

If you wanted to optimize weapon specialist playstyle, what ranged options work best?

I usually use zarona revolver but Im trying others

[hybrid flame]

Hellbore

110%

[hollow ibex]

DB, zarona and maybe plasma are the common picks

[signal juniper]

worth it?

[hollow ibex]

that's fine until you get a better roll

i mean you won't need a godroll anyway

[split swan]

I tried agri shotgun and bistol and wasnt feeling either - Ill give DB a try

Thanks @hollow ibex

[hollow ibex]

agri CS can work too

though a bit less suited compared to DB/revolver

[split swan]

I was having issues with getting to 1 taps with the agri CS so that makes sense

[hollow ibex]

you could always go for the double tap

agri has a big tube

and high rate of fire

so one tap isn't mandatory

it also has very high finesse stats

so the guaranteed crit from WS will make it hit hard

[split swan]

I do like the ammo efficency

[signal juniper]

I was thinking this is a sufficient roll since I dont want to start gambling my entire savings away into a godroll

[hollow ibex]

def not worth it on bistol

[signal juniper]

not worth the one that I posted or gambling for a godroll on bistol?

[hollow ibex]

i mean gambling all your savings on a bistol

it's mainly a stat stick on vet anyways

unless you go full meme with a bistol sniper build (which admittedly is quite good in aurics)

[thorny egret]

save up for the eventual plasma pistol release

[hollow ibex]

but it's a more niche use of bistol

[signal juniper]

yeah Im just gonna grab this one, I already got a god roll on spearhead boltgun

[thorny egret]

😭

[signal juniper]

😭

I like the spearhead

[thorny egret]

no I wasn't sob about that

I was sob about the lack of Plasma Pistol

[quick seal]

we need a recon lasgun that's not a recon lasgun

I want a full auto weapon that doesn't suck

like an LMG from the skill tree art or something like that

[analog mural]

Agri braced auto

[thorny egret]

Braced Autogun is your jam

[quick seal]

I've used the braced auto and it's kind of meh

[hollow ibex]

vraks IAG is godly

[surreal rune]

is plasma still bugged?

to lag your pc

[mystic pilot]

you mean something like the gunners with their ~~hot-shot lasgun?~~hotshot volley gun?

https://preview.redd.it/he-gets-a-hot-shot-lasgun-why-cant-i-v0-qqel7htu1q5a1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=aa7eaf4bd3b8d43e2167f74e1569ed0f48301e59

[quick seal]

yeah, well,

hellguns are badass

[primal zealot]

sry best we can do is a new plasma gun mark thats worse

[quick seal]

but if we don't get hellguns, I'd settle for a braced autogun buff

where it doesn't feel weird and sluggish and impotent to use

[surreal rune]

id wish for general improvements such as damage and mobility buffs, and then an accuracy buff for the braced mode

i really only feel any amount of satisfying use from the braced auto while on hivescum because of the spread talents

[analog mural]

Eh spread on the braced isn't even that bad, it's more accurate hip firing than braced too

[torn depot]

I hate how veteran cant regen ammo at the same level as Hive scum

[analog mural]

Give back old survivalist aura, with grenade Regen for all

[torn depot]

Should at least remove the 5 second cooldown

[quick seal]

too bad the recon lasgun is more accurate, great at hip fire too, and also has functionally infinite ammo with shock trooper

but yeah, with recon lasgun, the braced autogun doesn't have its own niche

maybe if it were rebalanced, it could lean into veteran's innate passive ability to take over and cover-peak

like maybe if you were braced behind cover, it eliminates all recoil and you can shoot more accurately/faster. Kind of like deploying an LMG bipod in other games. Like battlefield or payday 2 had that functionality for LMG bipods

[mystic pilot]

wait thats a thing?

[narrow frost]

yes

its Vet passive

and has no purpose in the current game state

[quick seal]

IDK if I can take these at face value, I can't find anything about this on any other source, can't seem to read about it on the wiki or reddit or the fatshark forums

like what does "player-side suppression" mean? lol
all suppression is enemy-side suppression. What is player-side suppression? Like, it means other players can't suppress you? That doesn't make sense. Does it mean enemies can't suppress you? I don't think that's how it works either

[analog mural]

You never noticed vet doesn't get suppressed?

That's how it works

Vet is immune to suppression

[narrow frost]

they added that back when arby released iirc

no wait when talents trees for the human classes were changed

3 months?

[analog mural]

Certain weapons are also just immune to suppression iirc

Like shotguns

[quick seal]

This is the only thing I could find about it on google

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/177nubn/if_my_vet_is_running_anything_else_i_still_take/

this makes it sound like "Determined" was a veteran node on the perk tree but it seems like it was removed sometime in the past and then integrated into veteran as a passive

But IDK I never notice it. I never ran Determined before it was removed and I never noticed suppression. And I didn't notice it was removed and obviously now I no longer notice suppression. So I don't think suppression is a real mechanic. I think suppression is supposed to make your crosshair more inaccurate when you're taking fire but I probably never noticed it because I'm either running around with a melee weapon and it doesn't matter, or I'm using a full-auto gun and inaccuracy doesn't matter

come to think of it, I have been playing hive scum a lot and it doesn't have "determined" and I never noticed suppression either

[narrow frost]

Okay

[analog mural]

My man

Suppression is definitely a mechanic

[narrow frost]

I love that train of thinking

"it didn't effect me/I didn't notice it. So it's not a mechanic"

holy based

if you wanna learn about the mechanic kuli has his guides

probably a section in path's guide too

[analog mural]

You forget ainz, he can't take it at face value

[narrow frost]

no harm to me

I find this funny

[trim badger]

Honestly Infantry Autogun in Havoc is alright

[signal juniper]

I just completed the campaign with my friend, its asking me if I want to skip the battle for tertium campaign and I can hold to skip or play from the beginning, idk what this means

[fair shale]

Its the campaign

If you just made another character

[analog mural]

Just skip it

[signal juniper]

Ok

[analog mural]

It's only for flavor

You can always replay the campaign in special operations

[spark helm]

Only more unique ones are like arbites and some of hive scum but beyond that, same missions just ordered now with debrief cinematics, some of the newer ones that came out ages ago, and the original trust level milestone cutscenes.

[faint beacon]

Bound By Duty added it

Determined used to be a Tax talent, the horror

[slender elm]

Do ogryns get suppressed

I mean players

[narrow frost]

Players can get suppressed

Depending on class and weapon

Check Kuli's or path's guide to learn more

[livid sphinx]

I mean you can make any weapon "alright" in havoc but it still depends on the weapon if you will have an easier time or not

[narrow frost]

Yes and no, some weapons do different things better

[slender elm]

But vet has immunity ye?

[analog mural]

Yeah vet is immune to suppression now

By default

[slender elm]

Makes me wonder if gunlugger has suppression immunity

Never really noticed

[narrow frost]

Yes

Ogryn as immunity base

[analog mural]

Big man no scared of boollets

[slender elm]

I see

And on my other classes im just, if im getting shot at it means im not close enough

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-jojo-approaching-me-gif-15178576

How very useful for me

[mystic pilot]

what mod is that? I need to track my performances

[trim badger]

Scoreboard?

[mystic pilot]

yeah, I guess if its already in the game, it must be off by default for me

[slender elm]

Scoreboard is a mod yes

Because obfuscating performance reduces toxicity

[mystic pilot]

Hah, at least i want to know if im pulling my weight in these missions

[hollow ibex]

or it lets ammo hoarders/medicae double dippers get away with being dickwads

[slender elm]

That's an edge case

[hollow ibex]

happens way too frequently

esp dipshits that have no business taking the amount of ammo they're taking

[thorny egret]

imo the ammo hoarding problem is too anecdotal to be measured effectively

[hollow ibex]

not when scoreboard clearly indicates how much ammo a guy's taken lol

if i see someone taking 800% ammo and they're doing 300k damage in auric

i'm not going to be leaving ammo for them

[thorny egret]

I mean you do you, but you can typically tell when a player isn't performing well or is playing selfishly without using mods

[hollow ibex]

ofc

scoreboard is just confirmation in most cases

[thorny egret]

looks good, I like it!

[hybrid plover]

a vet without kraks in rotten armor is a fucking horrible experience

like idk what the point of saying that is when literally any other blitz just will not hold up compared to those for that one particular modifier

[thorny egret]

I just like Krak grenades

if I want horde clear I have my power sword or chain sword

[hybrid plover]

and besides that particular case, it's not like frags suddenly became bad because kraks are good now

[thorny egret]

smoke grenades need something else to make me want to pick them

[hybrid plover]

smokes are amazing in havoc. just not in rotten armor

[thorny egret]

ah fair enough, I don't play havoc but that's good to know!

what's the best way to use them?

[hybrid plover]

anything capable of a ranged attack can have their LOS broken by them

very good for making advancements under immense ranged pressure, which is very helpful

[thorny egret]

that's a large swath of enemies

yeah

[hybrid plover]

it also forces specialists to reposition themselves closer to you to actually harass you

that however, can be an issue because of trappers

[thorny egret]

ahh yeah

[hybrid plover]

since it's way harder to dodge a point blank trapper

that being said

it's also very often easier to catch them before they try it

smokes aren't nearly as good in auric since ranged units just aren't as oppressive but, the best way to think about them are psyker bubbles that don't regen toughness but screw with enemy ai

[thorny egret]

gotcha, thanks goblin! I really appreciate the advice

[hybrid plover]

oh uh, one thing to keep in mind tho. if a gunner's firing a salvo and a smoke goes up, the gunner will just keep firing but the tracking's disabled

so you gotta move still

[thorny egret]

makes sense

[tulip ivy]

Aint point blank you just shove them

For some reason every shove has crazy range

[thorny egret]

tis complete!

[charred halo]

which helbore mark is the good one

[dry cloak]

all 3

[woven cove]

Helbore and plasma gun are two guns I still don't have full mastery for (and also infantry lasgun).

Also I haven't used power falchion at all yet.

[hearty echo]

the second unlocked one you get

(I forgot the name)

[woven cove]

What should I run on power falchion?

[hearty echo]

I encountered my twin lmao

[charred halo]

what are the best weapons to run on melee vet

that arent the stub revolver

[mystic glade]

Double barrel

[dry cloak]

any shotgun. bolt pistol, laspistol

for laspitol the mk10 if you max power from it

[charred halo]

ok

[dry cloak]

if mk10 is not for you mk2 is perfect

[charred halo]

so

[charred halo]

does any shotgun also include double barrel

[dry cloak]

is double barrel a shotgun?

[charred halo]

uh yeah

so ok

[dry cloak]

then yes any shotgun applies

[charred halo]

btw is moblity dump bistol useable

[dry cloak]

it is the dump stat on it but if you want 80 then dump collat or stability

[lyric path]

hey question just how good is a stealth vet build with the helbore?

[dry cloak]

stealth as a ability can use any weapon

[lyric path]

cause i was thinking of using the helbore with my stealth vet

[dry cloak]

what keystone are you using?

[lyric path]

weapon spec

[hearty echo]

helbore, recon las (if you like dick), combat shotgun, double barrel, bolter

dueling sword, chainsword, chainaxe, power falchion

[dry cloak]

then no helbore wont be good

[dry cloak]

melee vet implies weapon spec

and ws does not like helobre last time i checked

[hearty echo]

the fuck are you on about, they asked what are the best weapons

I gave my opinions

on all of them

[lyric path]

ok mag thanks for telling me bro

[charred halo]

yes make me run the weapon with a slow as shit equip and shot chargeup on the class that wants to switch weapons quickly

[hearty echo]

mimimmimimimi

helbore is the best weapon for veteran idc

[charred halo]

no power sword?

[hearty echo]

if you can't use it then that's a skill issue

[hearty echo]

power sword got nerfed into the dirt

[charred halo]

just a few days ago i was told its the best weapon in the game. dunno who i should trust

[unreal nova]

Best for vet.

[hearty echo]

2 second google search

dueling sword supremacy

[stable socket]

power sword is less safe than dueling sword but the burst damage is crazy, push attack light oneshots auric crushers and (iirc) can 2 shot h40 crushers

[unreal nova]

It's annoyingly slow and boring, but you can just about kill anything that isn't a boss (And maybe crushers now) in a charge slash slash slash is built correctly.

[hearty echo]

this ^

[unreal nova]

Assuming not late havocs and no karky modifiers.

[hearty echo]

real veterans use ONLY the shovel

[stable socket]

and sunder being able to cleave carapace means you can hit a lot of mixed horde at once

[hearty echo]

I jus think it's overrated honestly if you're running a team that synergizes with each other well

jus get a zealot to do it for you

[unreal nova]

You mean that guy in the airlock spamming at everyone else before dying to a special and quitting?

[hearty echo]

what kind of zealots do you play with to base this stereotype off?

[unreal nova]

See that. They always run off, taunt at you if you can't catch up for one reason or another.

[hearty echo]

okay, champ, whatever you say

[stable socket]

can relic blade cleave carapace? i feel like it gets stuck

[unreal nova]

It was THAT bad when the infil Vet is the only one sticking so you aren't left with flanking enemies because you got two shroudfield zealots that ran across and spent the whole mission taunting and insulting you.

[hearty echo]

skill issue

jus requeue

[unreal nova]

Don't you just wanna slow the game down and push to annoy them?

[hearty echo]

I'm not petty so no

people saying mean things over the internet making a class bad for you is wack

[unreal nova]

It's the players on it.

Oh, I should mention that loner was still a thing.

And you know how crap that 'aura' was.

[hearty echo]

uh huh

well, I'm gonna go play cyberpunk

ig have fun being bitter? idrk what to say anymore

[fleet cloud]

best melee for vet?

im diggin the shovel (realized the pun after i typed it) but wanted to know what teh best ones were before i dumped a bunch of resources inrto it

[tepid otter]

Prolly Power Sword

[austere pine]

i can't keep carrying these people in maelstroms

i'm not strong enough

[austere pine]

can, but poorly

activated, at least

[unreal nova]

Power sword for raw power, DS because DS4 is still strong, knoife for the same reason but you trade damage for more nyoom. Shovel is just higher end of mid tier.

[unreal nova]

Sunder is a must.

If I remember the name right.

[austere pine]

this is relic blade, so no sunder

[unreal nova]

Oh relic. Is Vet mains so thought ppl misnamed power sword. Had someone call the FGS relic sword as well.

[austere pine]

that is understood, as they came out at the same time

though relic blade is so much more boring than fgs

[unreal nova]

True. Clearly more effort to the devs favourite class.

[tall torrent]

cannot cleave carapace

[fleet cloud]

ds?

oh. nvm. duelling sword. i got it

[fleet cloud]

is there any main weapon that has rending apart from the revolver?

[dry cloak]

guns are not main weapons

[tall torrent]

u don't rly need it

for most weapons

[regal smelt]

You mean like rending blessings? hand cannon for the revolver is the only ranged specific rending blessing vet can get, but there's armour bane and shattering impact for the helbor las, plasma and boltguns. they apply brittleness which is teamwide rending against whatever you shoot

all of those weapons inherently do more damage vs armor and you don't need rending to make them work. If you really need rending for a ranged weapon it'd be an infernus las weapon or autogun, and you'd have to work off the talents in the tree

[lyric path]

happy new year my fellow veterans from australia

[tall torrent]

power sword

[fleet cloud]

ill have to pull upa video of the power sword then. its hard to believe its THAT much better than my shovel

[fleet cloud]

hang on, now i gotta figure out how to spawn enemies

[tall torrent]

creature spawner mod

[fleet cloud]

oh no, i got to do a "slw download" at 1 gig/sec lol

im not sure, but is that sword using the blessing that does two hits on the block combo?

[tall torrent]

power cycler + sunder

[signal juniper]

what combat axe version is considered best?

ah nvm reading the guide says that MK III is best

[fleet cloud]

i assume on power sword that mobility is dump?

[quick shell]

psword is the best melee in the game

[quick shell]

cleave targets

[quick shell]

rashad is the good one

others are mid

[tall torrent]

cleave targets
check the pinned guide for more info

[fleet cloud]

im not allowed to

[tall torrent]

wdym not allowed to

[rustic hemlock]

what does the smoke grenade do to enemy AI?

[quick shell]

breaks it

[signal juniper]

I liked the smoke grenade until I realized my build couldnt deal with heavily armored enemies so i switched to kraks 😭

[tall torrent]

check guide

[quick shell]

I mean kraks are just generally really good too

[rustic hemlock]

where?

[quick shell]

[signal juniper]

[woven cove]

One of the easiest games I've had was when I was playing veteran and got 3 other random veterans, and we all had krak grenades and just deleted any and all bulwarks, crushers and bosses by just spamming our infinite grenades at them.

Giving free krak to unwashed homeless hordes of heretics.

[tall torrent]

ur not gonna believe what my name says

[hearty echo]

reading is for nerds

we have already established this

[quick shell]

we've got an ogryn chat escapee i see

[hearty echo]

where

[rustic hemlock]

who reads discord names

just say check pins?

[hearty echo]

lmao right

yea but who reads messages anymore

jus show us the funny pictures

[rustic hemlock]

is it just the veteran channel that acts like asshats?

when someone is asking questions?

[hearty echo]

probably

[rustic hemlock]

lore accurate

[hearty echo]

idk why everyone has such big egos here ngl

[rustic hemlock]

psyker and ogryn was nice

[hearty echo]

'HOW DARE A NEW PLAYER ASK A QUESTION TO ME'

[rustic hemlock]

havent checked the other channels

[hearty echo]

I honestly think it's just the toxic meta people that are like that

[quick shell]

not misrepresenting what was said at all

[rustic hemlock]

case in point

[hearty echo]

this guy doesn't know what exaggeration is

😔

[rustic hemlock]

you can take a screenshot of it and put it in a frame

[hearty echo]

new players gotta learn that fun is the most optimal playstyle in dt

meta is for boring people

[rustic hemlock]

but muh plasma gun

[hearty echo]

plasma is for chuds who can't aim

bruh

hadron hates me

I swear

[quick shell]

Plasma is pretty reliant on headshots as u go up in hav

for breakpoints

[hearty echo]

😔

mimimimimimi helbore is better

[quick shell]

yeah it is

what

[hearty echo]

this guy gets it

[distant plaza]

Winning is fun
Which turns people into meta slaves
Boredom sets in
Then off meta becomes fun
Patches come in and the meta shifts (maybe)
Repeat…
…though really, play whatever the fuck you want
Even heavy sword

[hearty echo]

this guy understands what fun means

good for him

🏅

[quick shell]

i mean heavy sword was cracked out like

two years ago

[tall torrent]

ok check pins then

[unreal nova]

Is already reliant in aurics. You just can get away with it on lower diffs.

[hearty echo]

dawg if you use meta you smell like fuckin' beans

[orchid hemlock]

Smh my head

Go into Psyker chat

[hearty echo]

no

[distant plaza]

👀

[hearty echo]

I don't play psyker

[orchid hemlock]

Good

[hearty echo]

maxxing out the characters I have rn

[orchid hemlock]

But we are humble here in comparison

😎

[hearty echo]

everyone is jus so hateful

[orchid hemlock]

I'm the humblest person I know

[hearty echo]

this is not what the founding fathers intended

everyone is just so mean 😔

[orchid hemlock]

I think the founding fathers intended slave labor

💀

[hearty echo]

mfw I don't know

does he know?

he does not 😔

[tall torrent]

we just tend to assume basic understanding here

[hearty echo]

article 12 of the united states thingy or some shit: 'you will use recon and power sword and you will like it'

[orchid hemlock]

Sorry I learn my history from Hamilton musical and Disney memes 😔

[hearty echo]

me too, me too 😔

[hearty echo]

shit now I want to make an ogryn

[wraith locust]

i have a fun off meta idea for you

[hearty echo]

I never maxxed out an oggy

[wraith locust]

lets play heavy sword only into rotten armor

meta slaves are annoying

[hearty echo]

this guy gets it

[wraith locust]

[orchid hemlock]

Face the wall

[hearty echo]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

you will use recon and power sword and you will like it

[orchid hemlock]

As much as I like recon

Is it actually the best? 🤔

[hearty echo]

not at all lmao

[tall torrent]

no

[orchid hemlock]

I max damage on it on havocs 😈

[heavy rover]

no the best is helbore because poking stuff is fun

[hearty echo]

bolter and helbore supremacy

[orchid hemlock]

So I'm off meta

[hearty echo]

this guy gets it

[orchid hemlock]

Let's fucking go

[heavy rover]

unironically a good melee. staggers ragers out of combos. what more could you ask for

[hearty echo]

exactly

[heavy rover]

how funny would it be to get uncanny strike and decimator / thrust on a helbore

[wraith locust]

gigachad recon users

[hearty echo]

this guy HATES damage

[tall torrent]

u wanna play splitgate later

[fleet cloud]

jesus christ today is not my day

i keep going down

[hearty echo]

sure it is

just believe

[wraith locust]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-jesus-christ-jesus-follow-me-follow-jesus-follow-jesus-christ-gif-10487382389401168984

[hearty echo]

jus believe

trust

[wraith locust]

i love ai slop gifs

[hearty echo]

you keep dying cuz you don't believe

[orchid hemlock]

I'm gonna be busy with new years today 😞

[orchid hemlock]

Mods ban em

[hearty echo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244035592702922763/1455188034025820340/Rv4jv6G.gif

[hearty echo]

what the fuck are these things?

[charred halo]

tool mentioned

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[mystic pilot]

Bolter for exploding shells goodness

Also better than bolt pistol for "oh crap theyre swarming us now!" Panic button

(and unloading into elites/bosses)

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-just-right-so-good-yes-emperors-new-groove-gif-6584923

[umbral urchin]

I just want my hotshot las and my hotshot volleygun, FS.

I want to pull off my Inquisitorial Stormtrooper cosplay.

[steel veldt]

what's the best blessings for Weapons Specialist double barrel build

I am currently using flechette and deathspitter

[distant plaza]

man stopper/flechette

[fair shale]

Good taste

Loved those models

Ik we will literally never get their armor

But I would buy it if we did

[umbral urchin]

the havoc 53rd armor set is close enough to satisfy me

the flak looks different enough to standard cadian flak that I can pretend it's carapace

[fair shale]

Not for me tbh

[steel veldt]

thanks

[umbral urchin]

the temepstus scion helmet and the datamined chestpiece looks awful, unfortunately

[fair shale]

So tacticool

[fair shale]

Not a fan of scions in general

Too much trim

Not enough grenades

[proud jolt]

What's that line, engravings give no tactical advantage

[tame lodge]

Whatsoever

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-snake-revolver-ocelot-engraving-gif-26456286

https://tenor.com/view/mgs2-solid-snake-metal-gear-solid2-metal-gear-solid-mgs-gif-27578347

[frank basin]

Machinegunner beloved

[gilded pike]

praying for them to return on tabletop or cash shop

[toxic leaf]

friends, i been out of the game since a little after artibiter release. did veteran get any new items in this time frame or is it still plasma, knife or ds4 n go (try hard)?

[tall torrent]

power sword

[toxic leaf]

they got a new power sword?!

[tall torrent]

no

[toxic leaf]

or are you talking about ps6

[tall torrent]

old mk6 power sword

[toxic leaf]

yea i forgot about that lol

[tall torrent]

best vet melee

the new falchion is meh

[toxic leaf]

sad

[tall torrent]

u can check the pinned guide

[toxic leaf]

ps6 is best now? did they nerf ds4

[tall torrent]

covers a lot

[narrow frost]

Dueling sword was never best

[tall torrent]

power sword been the best
now just noticeably more so

[toxic leaf]

maybe ds4 was the best for zealot then and psyker

[narrow frost]

Not even on other classes

Psyker is force swords

[toxic leaf]

or maybe i was wrong the entire time

[narrow frost]

Zealot is a mix of other weapons

[toxic leaf]

ask my wife, ive been known to be very wrong

[narrow frost]

It's a common thing that YouTubers spread

Dueling sword too op, omg

[tall torrent]

Hammer of the Emperor

[toxic leaf]

the ds4 was never the best? i was lied to?

you love to see it

[narrow frost]

It does a few things very well that makes it accessible to newer/struggling players

[tall torrent]

it's very simple and takes no effort to use

[narrow frost]

Mobility and carapace damage

No effort to use

[tall torrent]

but it's disastrously bad at mixed horde

[toxic leaf]

i was always using combat knife with vet, sometimes the ps6 when i felt lazy

ok time to check guide, looks very good. props to whoever wrote/edited/worked on it

[narrow frost]

They are right here

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[narrow frost]

Took awhile but it was worth it

Thanks path

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1271944046474035310.gif?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[tall torrent]

Glad u like it

[trim badger]

holy this was fast af (h40 btw)

infantry autogun clearing house...

[mystic glade]

Most eventful relay station run

[quick shell]

fantastic gif

[hidden scroll]

how do i know if i'm doing the special > block cancel correctly with the power sword mk 6? also, what is the reasoning behind it? sorry i'm new 😅

can i omit the last part of the combos if i only have 1 strike from power cycler?

[hollow ibex]

it should ready your sword much faster

if you block cancel after charging

the block cancel lets you skip the slow ass charge animation

[hidden scroll]

yeah i didn't notice the difference at first tbh lol

[hollow ibex]

well when shit gets hairy

charge -> block cancel -> push

is a combo that will save your ass

[hidden scroll]

ok i think i'm getting the hang of it

i'd attach a clip to ask if i'm getting it right, but it seems i'm not able to just yet

well, if i die, assume i did it wrong lol

[umbral urchin]

What perks should you typically slot in for the combat knife and the plasma gun?

I'm running flak/carapace on the knife and flak/unyielding on the plasma rn, but idk if there's a better option

[thorny egret]

Unarmored & Flak for plasma according to the guide

for the knife you can go unyielding, flak or carapace

[quick shell]

i believe if ur not in havoc u can skip unarmoured on the plas, but it's nice for dreg gunners. it's specifically used for one shot thresholds on dreg tox bombers

[short gyro]

what melee weapons are great on veteran? i've tried most weapons but haven't found something i have really liked yet

running an executioner's stance build with the boltgun

[azure narwhal]

Power sword, combat axe, duelling sword, combat blade are strong contenders you can try

[narrow yacht]

finished all my weekly contracts and the game bugged out and said reward was 1 million dockets instead of 1000 milk bucks

[azure narwhal]

Though don't get tunnel-visioned on "optimal" choices, objectively strong melee like mk6 power sword exist but you must also account for yourself, try how it feels

[short gyro]

for sure. that's why i tried out most of the melee options before i started asking what is strong. i've mastered/almost mastered most of the weapons first and now im looking for something to properly upgrade and max out.

is the combat blade capable of horde clear or is it specifically for single targets?

[azure narwhal]

That's very good then, nice

[azure narwhal]

It's capable, assuming you stick to mk6 combat blade, though support talents definitely help there

Nabbing at least serrated blade makes for a great dps boost on the knife for any scenario

Mercy killer + uncanny strike with serrated blade deletes crushers

[tall torrent]

U don’t need mercy killer

Just run flesh tearer

[azure narwhal]

If you have serrated blade, why would you skip out on that

[tame lodge]

8 better than 2

[tall torrent]

Because 10 stacks of bleed on crit is better

[azure narwhal]

Yeah but 2 is guranteed and will always be procing mercy killer for the dps boost on single target

[tall torrent]

Mercy killer is not that much more damage in comparison

Flesh tearer still wins in single target most of the time

And helps with horde clear more

[azure narwhal]

I see. I personally prefer the latter but i get your point

[tall torrent]

Flesh tearer means every human elite u crit on heavy weakspot will die over time

It’s pretty bonkers

[short gyro]

appreciate the input 👍🏼

gonna go try out the combat blade for a few runs

[azure narwhal]

Good luck

[trim badger]

For H40 on Knife, I run Uyielding and Cara, Uncanny and Mercy Killer (Serrated Blade is a requirement for Mercy Killer)

for plasma just flak + maniacs, and the blessings that give you more strenght and more crit chance for high heat

[tall torrent]

Check the pinned guide

[hearty echo]

don't check guide, feel free to ask people anything

but to answer your question, what you have is already really great

I, personally, don't use those weapons but I'm sure those will work fine :)

jus pick and choose to see what you like

[tall torrent]

Why

[hearty echo]

because it isn't against the rules to be helpful

you have no need to be so dismissive of questions

[tall torrent]

The guide is helpful tho

[hearty echo]

yapyaypayp

let people ask questions

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075782743285301308/1448329868491100252/supra.gif

[thorny egret]

“Don’t read go with vibes” is certainly a choice

Fwiw the guide has been exceptionally helpful

[faint beacon]

Anyways check out the guide

[thorny egret]

My Vet game has improved dramatically

[hearty echo]

yeah but it shouldn't be allergic to answer people's simple ass questions lmao

[faint beacon]

offers a bunch of helpful information

[thorny egret]

Who said that

Anyways check out the pinned guide it’s really good

[narrow frost]

what if people ask question as well as read the guide

Cross checking is important

[hearty echo]

what if you jus answer peoples questions and let them know there's a guide too

[narrow frost]

and most people do

[thorny egret]

That’s what we did

[hearty echo]

uh huh

[thorny egret]

Did you not scroll up?

[hybrid plover]

Boost isn't enough.

Mercy killer is not as good as possible want to think it is.

[azure narwhal]

Vs crushers and bosses? I'd be surprised if ttk had a small difference with 60% more weakspot damage

[hybrid plover]

Still not that significant. Because 60% weakspot damage isn't as significant as it sounds with how weakspot damage is actually calculated.

It is a noticeable boost. But compared to flesh tearer with vet's beefed up damage numbers, it doesn't hold up as well.

[azure narwhal]

To put it more precisely

It's a noticeable boost where i personally'd want it to be tbh which is why i prefer it in the first place

I run knife with plasma and focus target

Knife is reserved for aforementioned crushers and bosses

Especially

The rotten armour lately

But in general, i guess it'd be true

But i wouldn't have a way of knowing because of how i do use it

[hybrid plover]

Funny enough, it's probably better to use flesh for rotten armor lmao

Because Dots aren't affected by the damage resistance.

[azure narwhal]

I'll give it a shot but i do doubt the ttk difference of these two

[hybrid plover]

Getting to 16 stacks quicker would help bypass the damage resistance quicker with uncanny.

[azure narwhal]

Not sure tbh

I'll try

But i would need some side by side tests to be convinced atm

Whether it be spreadsheets or videos

Does focus target affect DoT?

[hybrid plover]

It does.

It affects all damage.

[azure narwhal]

Oh i am aware, was curious of that since it is more specific

But i see, might actually have a chance then

[narrow yacht]

finally getting to max on vet and getting proper blessings and perks on my shock maul feels so much better

last class to max is hive scum

[thorny egret]

Hitting cap feels great

[quick shell]

if people just looked at the guide they'd find out a lot of the stuff they want to ask

[sly orchid]

Not everyone knows about the guide

[mystic pilot]

Thats why we show them

[narrow torrent]

Guide deez nuts

[charred halo]

is thermal resist the dump on plasma

[jagged kraken]

I'm torn, what's the dump for Plasma Gun?

[narrow frost]

71 charge, 69 thermal

[jagged kraken]

I keep figuring charge rate is dump with high thermal resit giving you more charged shots per CD

[narrow frost]

60 thermal if poor

[jagged kraken]

Just rolled 68 Thermal/ 75 charge/ 77 stopping power, rest is 80. Keep?

[wraith locust]

keep rolling

[jagged kraken]

Out of monies, just gonna need to roll with this to level till I can roll the exact split

[wraith locust]

reasonable

[thorny egret]

I need to start working on my Plasma gun

[willow siren]

i got this and stopped trying (ignore stats i never use it)

[signal juniper]

I stopped looking for an optimal plasma gun, I fell in love with spearhead, I got an optimal one

[thorny egret]

Plasma is the one weapon on Vet I have zero experience with so I need to figure things out

[willow siren]

i prefer using vigilant

[trim badger]

Rising heat on tier 1

Perks not maxxed

[willow siren]

i dont have plasma max

bc i never use it

[trim badger]

You Will use it

[gilded pike]

Hmm.

Query: I know bolter/ plasma is optimal for ranged

but is havoc 20+ with recon las viable or at least not a detriment

[quick shell]

if u cant roll the exact split (which is very very expensive), just dump thermal

[trim badger]

The real truth: you should build towards melee/kraks, so ranged option is almost irrelevant

I brought infantry autogun today and did top dmg xddd

[fair shale]

vraks is like

one of vets best guns tbf

[trim badger]

Zarona Revolver, plasma, Helbore Mk4, Combat Shotgun Agrapinaa are way better in H40

[fair shale]

thats still top 5?

[quick shell]

LOL

I mean

dont get me wrong

i use plasma

and really like it

but idk if it's better than iag

[trim badger]

???? Yes it is

Literally fast deploy speed, 1 shots all specials (even in H40 with just a few buffs)

[quick shell]

pretty sure u need heat built up to oneshot some of them

[trim badger]

1 shots all gunners, and 2 shots reapers

[trim badger]

You don't depending on talents you pick

[quick shell]

maybe if ur super heavy built into range

but like

[trim badger]

Not even

Just standard melee build

Agile engagement, skirmisher, Focus target

iag vraks ammo mangement is kinda ass in Havoc

(and this comes from someone who brings iag into H40 xddd)

[quick shell]

what does ur tree look like for this tho

like that's a pretty big investment into a ranged setup

if ur playing weap spec for example

[trim badger]

I'll have to do it quickly in gameslantern

[quick shell]

which i think is the most popular keystone

[trim badger]

No

Good results, but let me do it quickly on gameslantern

Reminder that this is a melee build ofc

[quick shell]

sending post matches is fine, but it's heavily circumstantial, and doesn't really reflect actual build strength

[trim badger]

Ye I know

[quick shell]

u could put ainz on literally anything and he'd outperform me

[trim badger]

That's why I'll do it on gameslantern rn

[trim badger]

I never said iag was the best option heh

I just like using it

[quick shell]

right but what im saying is

[trim badger]

The other 5 options I mentioned before are btter

[quick shell]

plasma is very reliant on build

i think iag is a bit more

uh

[trim badger]

That's the opposite of true tho

[quick shell]

what's the term

universal

[quick shell]

to oneshot specials, it's very reliant on build

[trim badger]

Plasma doesn't need to be built around

[quick shell]

no it doesn't

but to point out some of these strengths

when they're things that only happen if u build around it

plasma ammo econ isn't bad either, but it can feel a bit tight at times. I confess I've no idea what IAG looks like though

[thorny egret]

I wish las weapons had more damage against flak & carapace

[tepid otter]

Does alright on Flak

Carapace, you might as well piss on them

Should buff the Ilas some more

[trim badger]

Plasma max efficiency (IMO) build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f58a4ba-9a0c-4cec-8d03-9f4535122a62/dream-vet-havoc-40

What I've been using recently for variety (IAG)
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0ba8ab1-37c4-4415-8b38-d1b9474b84fd/iag-silly-h40

I personally would say neither are built towards the weapon

[calm shard]

the 2nd one is like identical to my weapon agnostic exe build

that is just a generalist

IAG specifically would really want MMF

[trim badger]

I don't know what mmf means

[distant plaza]

left keystone

[trim badger]

Ah

I use more melee, not shooting the weapon much cuz it can run out of ammo quickly

At least on Havoc

Never tried this in Auric

It has been long since I've played auric with vet

[thorny egret]

I just want las to be the solid, all-purpose weapon pick it was meant to be

Cuz right now that’s autoguns and stubs

[calm shard]

all three of the viable las weapons are infinite ammo generalists

laspistol is high mobility and headshot/crit reliant

helbore is god awful mobility and crit reliant

recon lasgun

[tepid otter]

I dont see Ilas on that list

[thorny egret]

They did say viable 3

Infantry Las needs a buff for sure

[frigid rover]

faceroll the mission or die in the first hallway? call it

[orchid hemlock]

Scum's are 50/50 so I say

They all leave 😈

[frigid rover]

heh

we have made it to the first teamcheck door :)

with only one death

no idea how they went down, i looked away and they exploded

[orchid hemlock]

The way I see it

You can't really enjoy this game until you have the expectation of soloing every game

I like the challenge 😈

[thorny egret]

Based attitude

I love clutching

[trim badger]

It feels weird to start playing DT after hundreds of VT2 hours

I feel like I skipped the sentiment of oblivious baby learning the game

Right away

It did feel weird to join heresy back then at low level and still hold on well, even forced to clutch (many of them failing ofc)

[calm prairie]

I played like 8 hours of VT2 and so I was a shitter on DT for a long ass time

clutching is probably the most fun I've had

[trim badger]

Auric Maelstrom before Havoc was a thing was interesting

Sadly I kinda dropped auric for the most part after Havoc release, I got tired of playing solo missions tbh

People just taking resources when they don't need to, expecting to get carried every single game

[calm prairie]

yeah I don't mind the extra challenge sometimes but it gets insane you get back to back teams that just crumple if you falter in any way

the havoc modifiers just turn me off so much

[trim badger]

There's some good shit

Red modifier and rituals are fun af

Stimms are now fun

The rest might be a little doodoo true

[calm prairie]

probably an arctic cold take but I should've specified blight spreads and rotten armor as being the ones that make me so disinterested

the rest of those are pretty sick and I like the boss spawns

the LT fight is so badass

I thought they said captains were going to spawn in auric with the september update but I haven't seen it

[trim badger]

Blight spreads is overhated IMO

Yeah it's lame but people treat it like the second coming of Hitler

For some reason

[calm prairie]

its not the most annoying but its just like, "do you have beacon of purity? no? 🖕"

[trim badger]

Stimm create scum is even better

Cuz it actually renders it useless

[calm prairie]

I can see that

I wish they would move more of that havoc content into the rest of the game, at least the increased boss spawns

or just increase monster HP cuz they just get nuked rn

1-2 monsters per HISTG is a joke

[trim badger]

I'd rather nerf kraks

[calm prairie]

its not just kraks though

[trim badger]

Add caps into auric tbh

[calm prairie]

fully stacked power sword you can like two combo a boss

I think monstrosities are the one thing they haven't buffed HP wise since patch 13 outside of havoc right

[trim badger]

Idk, I'm pretty baby to this game

Started in september

Right before Havoc release

[calm prairie]

they would need to pair with something, a lone captain is just complete fodder

rinda's moveset compared to the captain's is like night and day

the maelstroms with monstrous specialists are my favorite because sometimes you get really ridiculous RNG

[trim badger]

Rinda's moveset is the exact same

Only difference is that she has super movement speed

[calm prairie]

really she attacks a lot faster though doesn't she

[calm shard]

nope

[calm prairie]

interesting I feel like every time I fight a captain he just gets his shield popped on cooldown and bursted while he tries to commit to one of his long ass wind ups

[narrow frost]

rinda only has 3.5 attacks and uses simlar attacks to captain with minor difference

rinda

captain

[calm prairie]

I see, I didn't know that

[narrow frost]

You can see indepth views of enemies/classes/talents/blessings using Kuli's guides on steam

unbiased

[calm prairie]

I look at stuff like that from time to time when there's something specific I wanna see what other people think about, but most of the time reading about this game just reminds me how much I like playing it lol so I just launch the game

[narrow frost]

fair enough

[signal juniper]

Happy new year, rejects

[green tusk]

How good is dueling sword for veteran and Higher difficulties? im fairly new to the game and when i tried it the parry is what got me into it

[signal juniper]

The dueling sword is good

I can one shot specials if i charge it

[gilded raft]

Honestly the parry on it is not that great. Devil claw parry works better if the parry is what you want. But the dueling sword is much more powerful because of how goofy strong the heavy attacks are on the mk 4

The deadliest toothpick

[calm prairie]

OP

[hollow ibex]

better on psyker still

[green tusk]

i heard with psyker it can parry indefinitely

like no cd or sumshit like that

[hollow ibex]

yeah psyker def can

and the main issue with DS is lack of horde clear

which psyker can easily solve by taking staves

vet can't get around that really

you take DS, you need your team to pick up the horde clear slack

[trim badger]

Thrust detected

Must throw slurs

[signal juniper]

[trim badger]

Relentless supremacy

H40 bosses stand no chance

[signal juniper]

25% extra damage against carpace and 25% something to something (i forgor)

[trim badger]

For vet it's 25% cara and 5% crit chance/25% Unyielding

[signal juniper]

ok yeah nvm it was 5% crit chance

Im using that bistol in that build and it feels amazing, being so mobile and one shotting everything even with the bistol thanks to so many buffs

[trim badger]

I use unyielding on mine tho

I build towards boss deletion cuz for some reason no one does in Havoc public lobbies xddd

[signal juniper]

what enemies are considered unyielding

[narrow frost]

monsters and unarmored ogryns

[signal juniper]

its hard to go back to any builds because any types of ogryns/armored folks just get deleted with a thrust

[trim badger]

Reaper, Bulwark, Beast of Nurgle, Plague Ogryn and Chaos Spawn

[signal juniper]

I see, I might swap crit chance with that

although im out of cube thingies because I spent all of them into upgrading my curios

2 - 16 toughness
1 - 20% health

and I also changed around stuff in my 3+ stamina thing

[unreal nova]

Or you run frag 'nadier as well.

[hollow ibex]

frags can help in bursts but you can't constantly shit out frags like a psyker can shit out soulblaze

[unreal nova]

Unless 5% ding ding ding.

[hollow ibex]

i mean even then

[unreal nova]

I mean, it's more of a joke but if you get lucky with twinned and demo team... XD

[serene bough]

You too

[calm shard]

the double barrel shotgun