veteran-class

[analog mural]

Melee>blast>melee>blast etc

[quick shell]

no it doesn't

it's really fucking good

[analog mural]

Takes a while to get the flow of it though

[quick shell]

it's very reliant on blessings i think

and weap spec

[lyric path]

thats what i was using it with i mean i'm use to the auto pistol lol which i'm able to burn down most enemies with it

maybe the db shogun aint for me

[quick shell]

with weapon spec and flechette manstopper it'll shoot through hordes and kill specials or things like gunners from through hordes

it's very good

it isn't a 'traditional' ranged weapon in that you can pull it out and sit there shooting for full effect though

[narrow frost]

@tall torrent Whats the argument for Deathspitter over fire frenzy?

in context of vraks infantry auto gun

[tall torrent]

strength calculation

take example u have dum dum and 10% ranged dmg boost

[narrow frost]

32.5% power or 50% damage

yeah?

[tall torrent]

with deathspitter u'd have 1 x (1+10% + 30%) x (1+32.5%) = 1.855

with fire frenzy u'd have 1 x (1+10% + 30% + 50%) = 1.9 (less than 5% higher)

and this is before other dmg bonuses add in, like skirmisher/EW/superiority complex

and deathspitter is same bonus at all ranges, fire frenzy has decay over range

[narrow frost]

I see

[hollow ibex]

huh thought FF would be a lot better

[lyric path]

oi who you calling dum dum

[hybrid plover]

Strength calculations are way more impactful than one might think.

[hollow ibex]

evidently

[neat falcon]

into my 20's levels, know that I love the Plasma Gun as my #1 by far. Still deciding on a melee. Was just looking through all the templates in the build guide (I did read the pinned comment), but not sure if any build quite fits.
Ideas for where to go from here?

[narrow frost]

get level 30

nothing else matters

while leveling find weapons you'd want to try, when max level, farm those weapons and try them out when they are maxed

[neat falcon]

will do, I can grind 30 out within a few nights. video guides talk as if some melee weapons have a bit of a ceiling for dealing with some content. What is considered vet's strongest melee currently? vs say, most fun?

[narrow frost]

strongest is Power Sword by far

nothing really comes close

[neat falcon]

nice, i love how they look. I'll focus on those for now. Anything I absolutely must look for/avoid/try when focusing on Plasma Gun? ( I can't even tell you how much I love that thing)

[hollow ibex]

HOTE pin the guids will have everything you need

and unfortunately, a perfect roll for plasma is pretty shit to get

@tired egret

though you could also just dump thermal until you get a better roll

[neat falcon]

thanks, my eyes had missed the ranged weapons primer, going through that now...

[hollow ibex]

no check the first pin

hammer of the emperor guide

everything else is out of date

[proud jolt]

i was lucky enough to grab this

[ancient path]

im bored (well, taking a break from gaming) and looking thru steam discussions on darktide

If he is out of ammo, grenades, or stamina there is not much he can do, especially if he is alone without teammates.

You can generally juke as much as you can, but at that point there is not reason not to bring an Arb or Scum who are better built for melee combat.

about vet

in what situation would yo ube out of ammo, grenades, and stamina as vet lol

[willow prairie]

how to tell someone is bad at the game

[hollow ibex]

maybe he dropped his melee weapon too

[ancient path]

jesus how

how are you 5k hours with a take like that

[ancient path]

keyboard and mouse got unplugged/ran out of batteries, too

monitor shut off

internet went out

AND THEN vet is bad

maybe this is a havoc 40 take. who knows

[willow prairie]

this even make less sense as an h40 take

while vet doesn't have many dedicated melee talent he have a tons of general damage talent and psword exist

the literal most broken melee in the game

[abstract sand]

duelling sword
tac axe
rashad
power sword
power falchion

https://tenor.com/view/nose-picking-stimpy-ren-%26-stimpy-clearing-my-nose-comedy-central-gif-4062194229388877689

all of the above are great options

[willow prairie]

power falchion

😔

[abstract sand]

oh i should also throw shovel up there

[abstract sand]

no i think they genuinely do not understand that veteran is not supposed to be a "sniper" class

its a jack of all trades with strong utility uses

i have seen many clutches made with the vet shout

[floral creek]

Or IDK, even just the knife

[hybrid flame]

My pure ranged hellbore build would suggest otherwise

It's basically three ratlings in a trencoat

[abstract sand]

i dont like the knife but thats also a fair pick

[floral creek]

[abstract sand]

im a power sword fiend

and recon las

[ancient path]

thats what im saying lmao

with shit like onslaught, skirmisher, recipority

precision strikes

[hybrid flame]

Where shovel
Rashad and shovel 1 have the 2 of the best rounded attack patterns In the game

[ancient path]

shovel, too

i need more time with shovel to comment on it

[fair shale]

Good weapon tbh

[hybrid flame]

Plus Bonk sfx is a vibe

[ancient path]

it is

my small time with it, i enjoyed the hit sfx

also infantry las is kind of a vibe

idk how i feel about marksmans focus with it tho

might go focus target

[abstract sand]

#veteran-class message

Shovel goode

[floral creek]

Anyone got a recon lasgun veteran build to share?

[sleek snow]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a05ff40b-d750-4a05-9a55-1bbbe4c5a203/lazy-heavy-lasgun

It's not meta or anything, but I have fun with it

[floral creek]

[floral pasture]

hell yea

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/light-show

@floral pasture

a build that's closer to the meta

[fervent citrus]

for dueling sword was the dump cleave damage or mobility

[willow prairie]

cleave

[thorny egret]

having recently swapped Cleave for Mobility I can say with certainty that I've been using the wrong sword for years

[spice osprey]

there's another weapon rank?

what is sainted, i've never seen anything like that before

[narrow frost]

Mod

[spice osprey]

oh

[narrow frost]

Makes 500 rating weapons red

[spice osprey]

ah

[sleek snow]

that's just a visual mod yea

[sleek snow]

Does Enhanced Target Priority (that highlights Elites and Specialists for your teammate) make it so when they kill it it extends your Executioner's Stance?

(trying to make an ES build)

[dry cloak]

no it does not

[sleek snow]

k thanks, I didn't think so but I think it would be a welcome upgrade for the skill since basically nobody uses that thing

[tame lodge]

They'll stay highlighted for your allies as long as you keep ES up

It's a pretty optional pick

But I use it to subconsciously tell my allies that I got their backs

https://tenor.com/view/superman-superman-smiling-superman-punk-rocker-david-corenswet-gif-18148950362455480157

[true fern]

Best tac axe mark?

[lyric path]

is tactical awareness now terrible?

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

VII

[lyric path]

ahhh it was nerfed

[blazing jetty]

It was nerfed but it's still good

[proud jolt]

I like the Saber for big POKE

[true fern]

Thank

[barren nexus]

guys ik i might sound dumb for asking this

but i see blessings t0 and blessings t1 on the hammer of the emperor guide

do i just take the blessings on t1 or i need one of the blessings from t0

[bleak parrot]

is veteren The Gun Class or The All-Rounder Class?

[barren nexus]

imo

both

[quick shell]

Vet can kinda build into anything

[barren nexus]

depends one how u build it

[barren nexus]

can anyone help me with this

[stable socket]

you don't need to do anything in the game, the guide is just a suggestion. t0 is (in the eyes of the guide maker, and generally speaking the community) usually better than t1, but it all comes down to preference and there may be cases where a t1 blessing is situationally better than a t0 blessing

[barren nexus]

oh shit now that youve somewhat explained

i just realized i am dumb

the tiers mean how good they are

fuck

[topaz lance]

That being said there are some blessings you kinda need for certain weapons. I wouldn't run the combat axe without BM for example.

[barren nexus]

i thought it was like a progression thing

and the t1s arew the best

fuck i feel dumb

[stable socket]

it's just a different terminology than you're used to

don't worry bout it

[faint beacon]

It doesn't hurt experimenting but in the guide that usually means you should take that one and then follow it up with another

like Combat Axe goes from a C tier melee without Brutal Momentum

to an S tier

with Brutal Momentum

[stable socket]

if you're building tac axe for pure single target i think some people were talking about shred + headtaker, but bm clear is generally speaking too good to pass up in most situations... or were you supposed to take bm + shred instead? it's been a while, maybe i misremembered

[barren nexus]

thx for clearing this up for me guys

now i gotta go rebless my stuff

[faint beacon]

BM + Headtaker

Veteran can naturally generate crit easier

10 as a Base % and then Recip as a talent allowing them to get up to 50% naturally

[livid sphinx]

the emprah gave me a boner

[neat falcon]

like legit... combat axe with BM is top tier right now? I've heard so many things on this the last week. It does have my favorite feel of any melee so far. but training Dueling Sword mastery for my build atm

[dry cloak]

always was

[floral creek]

Why do bursters sometimes just

Spontaneously errupt

It's so annoying

[cerulean flume]

Time to try out veteran

[orchid hemlock]

Ok who's "so many things" and how do I fight them?

[cerulean flume]

Jesus I need damage reduction

Heck more toughness would be nice

[hollow ibex]

get iron will

[cerulean flume]

Iron will? That a curio?

[azure narwhal]

Talent

[cerulean flume]

Oh ok

[azure narwhal]

Vet has pretty good toughness talents and +25 toughness passives

It should not be a problem later on

[cerulean flume]

Yeah just so I don’t die as much

[hollow ibex]

unfortunately +25 toughness is pretty low in the tree

but you should pick up iron will asap

[surreal rune]

does anyone have a video of the dreg captain voice lines?

[dry cloak]

@fleet bloom

[fleet bloom]

uh I have em raw somewhere

was there a line in particular

or all of em

[dry cloak]

i think he means all of them

[slender elm]

man

trying to play a infantry lasgun build

i cant fucking aim lmao

[dry cloak]

what recon lasgun does to a man

[tepid otter]

Ilas my beloved

[slender elm]

how am i supposed to do this ._.

[surreal onyx]

See enemy, shoot enemy

[slender elm]

every time i press executioner's stance everything dies and then it wears off immediately

[calm shard]

have you tried using it earlier and playing more aggressively

and also using this

[slender elm]

I used the other one actually

Cuz I want to shoot gunners

[calm shard]

gunners are marked by default

[slender elm]

I mean the non elites

[calm shard]

understandable

[surreal onyx]

Ranged enemies sure are annoying

[slender elm]

Yeah I'm trying to build for it but well, its a bit too specialised and prone to tunnel vision

Also my aim is shit

[calm shard]

well yeah obviously

be a bit weird if you didn't have tunnel vision

[slender elm]

I didn't take this lel

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/pay-attention-to-me-one-orange-brain-cell-kitten-cat-meow-gif-16762328332322827176

[slender elm]

I don't even know how to build this proper

[calm shard]

I would prob do this

deadshot is unnecessary but I like crits so

[surreal rune]

tunnel vision is good but is deadshot necessary

is longshot necessary?

wait is this build for the infantry las

it would make sense then

[proud jolt]

Gaurdsmen gaming, btw this photo is crazy

[dire breach]

hey boys, whats the current meta build for veteran? for havoc40.

[hybrid flame]

Kill stuff, don't die

10/10 build

[leaden condor]

Shouting

[surreal rune]

something like this is pretty common

stamina, toughness, toughness for curios

3x cdr 3x toughness 3x revive speed for refinements

dueling sword and plasma gun

[leaden condor]

I like the helbore

[floral pasture]

Im liking the combat axe and autogun but its prolly not so called meta

[surreal rune]

you dont have to take the unyielding/monstrosity damage talent

[hybrid flame]

Rashad Caxe is S tier

[surreal rune]

you could put it into the ammo talent for twice the returns for ammo on the plasma gun through survivalist

you could put into the toughness node if you want more toughness

you could put it into grenadier for an extra nade

[crude wind]

Recon/Bolter/Plasma/Helbore. Shout. Kraks with GT. All the good blue nodes and keystone of your choice

Sometimes you switch Kraks for Frags. Very occasionally you run smokes.

[calm shard]

there's a fair bit of variety for veteran but the most basic and "expected" one is probably this

field improv, bring it down, agile engagement, and weapon specialist can be swapped for other nodes if you'd like

[wraith locust]

Vets version of “the build”

[calm shard]

VoC can also be replaced with Exe if you're a FREAK

Or just don't like your teammates

Exe is much more self-serving

[calm shard]

Well it's not the build because there's good and valid reasons to not run this

With Zealot if you weren't running The Build™ you were throwing full stop

For example about one of those good and valid reasons the fuckin' Helbore lasgun

And you just go around sniping crushers all day

[strange crow]

Why take out for blood over on your toes?

Also no health curio is lowk crazy

Same goes for no gunner damage reduction

[hollow ibex]

cdr curio is really only good for infil at this point tbh

[gilded raft]

That's more "the auric build" cause more specialized shooty builds tend to be OP and unnecessary. Best to go hybrid wild in aurics

Definitely not as universal as the old zealot choice

[hollow ibex]

shooty builds are very funny in auric tho

[surreal rune]

i said "something like this"

its just a broad outline of the usual build and what i personally run

[potent crypt]

Anyone got a favorite helbore lasgun build?

[signal juniper]

Whats the dump stat for plasma gun?

[wraith locust]

@tired egret

[tall torrent]

Check pinned guide

[signal juniper]

I got 60 thermal 80 charge

[blazing jetty]

That's fine

[calm shard]

shooty build is 100% also a havoc build

the boss damage, and deleting bulwarks/crushers is very good to have

and also y'know exe gun build

so your team can reasonably expect to never see a living gunner/specialist for the entire mission just because of you

if you're good at it anyways

[quick shell]

it's that if u dont want to spend the millions to try and get an optimal one

[signal juniper]

I think im good with this honestly, Im more interested in an optimal bolt pistol, I just wanted to try a plasma gun since I never got a drop for it so i just bought one and thats the first one i got

[quick shell]

I like the bolt pistol, i think it's fun to use

[calm shard]

I hate the bolt pistol, I think it's awful to use

[quick shell]

Idk how much I like it in terms of optimisation, but I recon vet could do good things with it

I think it's fun to use, idk if i think it's good

[calm shard]

what do you mean it just barely doesn't one shot every enemy that I would want it to one shot

[quick shell]

yeah that's the issue

it feels good to shoot

firing it into hordes and things is cool

if i were ever going to actually use it

id just get a bolter

[hollow ibex]

All you gotta do is go full left side with 15 stack MMF and deadshot for good break points

[tame lodge]

Bottom tier 🗣️

[hollow ibex]

sorry but bistol sniper in aurics is peak

[mystic pilot]

devil's claw sword is really nice

[hollow ibex]

it's fun and usable

could use more buffs

[mystic pilot]

I could understand if its behind chainsword and power sword because both of these weapons have extra oomph (from chainblade and from forcefield around the blade).

without the forcefield or power field and the chain running, they're about on par as the simple but brute devil's claw sword

[cloud reef]

recon lasgun or boltgun, which would u pick and why?

melee wep is duel sword

[ancient path]

alright vets

whats the secret to smoke grenade

[tepid otter]

bolbgun of course

[tepid otter]

what do you mean

[ancient path]

how do i use them

do i throw smoke at my feet or at the enemy

[narrow frost]

smoke where you are going to fight

[ancient path]

and are they even useful

[tepid otter]

just chuck it down for a pseudo bubble like the psyker has

[ancient path]

i see i see

[tepid otter]

just at your feet works fine to destroy line of sight against elites

[cloud reef]

the 2 shot hip fire or the aoe one?

[tepid otter]

I liked the AoE one, gives me more hipfire accuracy

[ancient path]

infiltrate seems like such a weird thing to play

[cloud reef]

u play just like me then

[tepid otter]

[ancient path]

do we have any infiltrate fans in the chat?

[tepid otter]

Someone shared an infil grenadier build here soome tiem ago

[ancient path]

im assuming you stealth then throw grenade to boost its damage?

[tepid otter]

It does alright, but I think It'd still be my last choice between the other 2

Yessir

[ancient path]

interesting

idk if i like using smoke grenades

maybe its a havoc blitz

[tepid otter]

Its more useful in Havoc imo

Where theres like hordes of gunners you can't get to

Tho it depends on the modifiers sometimes

It was hella helpful when plasma gunners were like dealing 1000 dmg like holy

[ancient path]

oh yeah true

[tepid otter]

Your whole team just wiped with a single squad of those fuckers

[calm shard]

man

[calm shard]

I love smoke grenades

3 better psyker domes in my pocket that I can basically throw whenver I want?

yes please

[ancient path]

do you use them in non-havoc?

[tepid otter]

Iz funny they just stop shooting at le smoke tho

[tepid otter]

In stuff like Auric or Maelstrom, they still work

[ancient path]

i see i see

[calm shard]

Sometimes

I play exe helbore a lot with like

turbo horde clear melee

so I don't really super need kraks or shredders

Smokes I would definitely only consider for normal builds in Havoc

because psyker dome politely asks ranged enemies to stop attacking you

veteran smokes actively turn them off

[hollow ibex]

try it, it's good

[ancient path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWNb7mu06As

huh

[ancient path]

i have to try out a helbore build one day

ive yet to really use it

whats the build?

[calm shard]

any grenade works

tinker for kraks/smokes, and not if you aren't using them

[ancient path]

nice nice

[calm shard]

exploit weakness, tinker, 15 MMF stacks, and exe upgrade are the flex points that can go anywhere

Also Born Leader is REALLY good on exe builds

[ancient path]

🤔

what helbore do you use?

[calm shard]

Mk IV

Mk V and IIIa are more comfortable to use but don't one shot crushers

[ancient path]

i see

[calm shard]

they do still one shot everything else

[narrow frost]

players inside smoke are considered 'concealed' which alters the line of sight distance requirement of enemies during target selection; if a player holds aggro of an enemy who is in melee combat, the smoke has no effect on enemy perception

[calm shard]

but it's the principle

[ancient path]

carapace + flak with like uhh

surgical and something?

[calm shard]

Carapace+Unyielding

Helbore hits flak for something like 5000 damage on headshot without it so

doesn't actually need to charge to one shot headshot gunners on that build

[bleak tendon]

Is the plasma gun skin in the shop any good?

[formal ice]

Black

[bleak tendon]

Not much to say is there

[formal ice]

Black

[bleak tendon]

What about the uhh

Model

[formal ice]

Same thing

But black

[bleak tendon]

I mean it’s slightly different

[formal ice]

Sightly

[bleak tendon]

😔😔😔

[tame lodge]

Black
Black
Black

Black's my lucky color

[surreal rune]

do you see a red door and you want it painted black

[tawny rivet]

Sell me on the heavy laspistol

[primal zealot]

its accurate n high dmg n on vet it can have great ammo econ

[tall torrent]

no, the reload animation has clipping issue

best plasma skin is the cadian camo

[mystic pilot]

reached full mastery on one weapon for first time. The combat shotgun on my veteran 😛

[umbral scaffold]

ok now do every weapon in the game

including the dogshit crowbar for hive scum

[mystic pilot]

hhahahahahhahahaha

https://tenor.com/view/bender-futurama-laugh-sarcastic-fun-gif-12163274

not picking up the hive scum DLC 😛

[umbral scaffold]

its good

[gentle lake]

Its pretty fun

[unborn crest]

is there any way to stun ragers like the Dueling Sword used to? I wanna go back to that

[hollow ibex]

tactical axe and shovel have basically the same special as old DS

[unborn crest]

HELL YEAH!!!

[ancient path]

helbores can one shot crushers with a headshot, right?

[tall torrent]

with a super specific build, yes outside havoc/mortis

[fossil lake]

Does power cutlass suck ass or am I using it wrong

[primal zealot]

its not great

but u also might be bad

[dry cloak]

But its nit trash either

What do you look for in power falchion?

[fossil lake]

I tried to cheer and my cadian just said "you disgust me" 😭

[ancient path]

i dont really get helbores

but i kinda get it

its satisfying to use

and fills a specific niche that really isnt in the game

[livid sphinx]

No fr tho. Helbore feels like just an rp weapon

[ancient path]

i dont get why id use it over a bolter

[livid sphinx]

I tried it. Didn't like it. If you're going sniper or whatever then just use a bolter

[ancient path]

or plasma gun

[livid sphinx]

Yeah

Plus charging shots always feels awkward in a horde shooter

[ancient path]

yeah a lil

with the charge shot bonus on chained attacks, its a lil bit of a non issue

i do like just popping heads on specials/elites

well everything that isnt a crusher

its fun

but when i think im popping off, i check my damage and its like

oh

however i have been using smokes so im losing out on a lot of damage

smokes are a very weird blitz but its funny how much it fucks with the AI

[austere mica]

Its got infinite ammo and basically infinite mag size

[ancient path]

ya that too

ive been playing matches where i dont even take tins

And if i do its like one small tin

so thats a fair comparison

[dry cloak]

one shot enemy delteion and armour damage

[sleek snow]

duuuur I just got the Long Bomb achievement while I had smoke grenades equipped lol wtf

(the hit 5 enemies with a Frag Grenade without it bouncing)

[crude wind]

Just got mega lucky

I think I am 1-2% away from a perfect roll here but I will def take this

[slender elm]

nah man that's perfect

[slender elm]

dafuq

i tried to do it

need to look for a specific location and you chuck it from high ground...

[primal zealot]

i did it at very end of power matrix. just yeeted it from the chopper towards that dropdown where the horde spawns

[slender elm]

lol

[unreal nova]

You could aim high at the start of train and get lucky as well.

[analog mural]

Bridge on vigil station. There is an objective where you wait for an elevator there, usually some snipers spawn on the other side of the bridge

It's almost exactly the right distance, you can ping the sniper to judge distance too

[slender elm]

🤔

i dont think you're talking about the right achievement but it is nevertheless useful

[analog mural]

Oh I thought you meant the one where you have to hit a sniper from like 40m with a grenade

[slender elm]

that's for zealot

[analog mural]

Riiight it's stun grenade specifically

[slender elm]

veteran is the one where you have to chuck a grenade and hit 5 enemies without it bouncing

which means no touching the ground?

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

You need it to explode in the air.

[slender elm]

pain in the arse

[unreal nova]

So it needs to fly for like 1.5 secs.

[nova vale]

got it when i had to lob a grenade one floor up, 5m forward on that sandy map at open space

[slender elm]

...

just fatshark things

im wondering if im even doing it wrong by taking the frag nade blitz...

[bleak kettle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader is this build good to go for ?

[stoic thorn]

I got it at the extraction part of spreading misinformation mission where I chucked it from the lift up to the entrance that the horde was coming in from

[slender elm]

durp

[quick shell]

kraks are not a good idea i dont think

assuming u cant stick things

[dapper bison]

What mark and blessings on the braced autogun?

[slender elm]

someone managed it, with smokes...

[azure narwhal]

it's fairly good, though a few things could be different. as far as weapons go, mk I power falchion as it is better due to its push attack, and use cranial + wrath not heatsink.
On the falchion run Flak + Carapace, on the plasma run unarmoured + elites/flak
You should take kraks not frags since both of your weapons are unexceptional at carapace, swap serrated blade for field improv as it isn't doing much, and born leader to demo team which should be a no brainer.

[smoky lintel]

Will cadian armor ever come back to the shop?

[inner veldt]

Trying to get Be Methodical done and not sure if I am over thinking it or what. But what is the best build and weapons with blessings and perks to get this done. Thanks

[stable socket]

is that the one where you need to keep exe stance running for a long time? if so, take the subnode that highlights all human-sized ranged enemies and you should be good because there's a billion of them in every map

[inner veldt]

Be Methodical is where you need to keep volley fire running for 20 seconds 5 times on Heresy or higher

[stable socket]

yeah im 99% sure exec stance counts towards the penance as well since it's upgraded volley fire, so take the Counter-Fire node along with it and just shoot everything that's highlighted

[errant perch]

Literally almost every fucking veteran to the psyker

[noble epoch]

Does the thing with the frag nades on vet still work where you pull out the bolter before it goes off and the lethal proximity perk makes the explosion bigger?

[dry cloak]

yes

it works even with bolt pistol holstered

power falchion has grown on me

after playing with other weapons

[noble epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-cat-rigby-gato-coqueto-rico-gif-4061476440942373994

[dry cloak]

something with more complicated combo is nice

[noble epoch]

Time to bomb dreg children

[ancient path]

i am becoming a helbore smoke enjoyer, i fear

it is very nice having extra breathing room vs trappers and flamers

if only the benefits of smoke was kinda like more noticable

you dont really notice it until you realize a group of dreg ragers were behind you just going "man i cant see shit" and not attacking

its also kinda funny how much 'yeah i dont care' executioner stance has when you have that + confirmed kill going

could probably get even more tanky with exhilarating take down

[dry cloak]

nothig wrong with that

[dry cloak]

that why i thought shredders and smokes should switch place before bound by duty

[ancient path]

satisfying gameplay spawn sniping disablers

[dry cloak]

if you want to do funny stuff

use exe stance with shredder or vraks mk5 and go commando mode

throw smoke activate exe and shoot

keystone is free choice with that kind of build

[calm shard]

yeah lmao

end a HISTG mission with like 200 specialist kills

and the rest of my team has a combined 40

[novel moat]

Hotshot volley gun is coming 2026 guys I can feel it

[mystic pilot]

doesn't the krak grenade stick to target?

[mystic pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/good-movies-rule-gmr-avengers-end-game-movie-don't-give-me-hope-hawkeye-gif-9699367132154830787

[dry cloak]

Kraks magnetize to carapace

And stick to monsters

[signal juniper]

does curios that increase experience count towards the weapon experience or just leveling up the character

[dry cloak]

Only character

Curios need a rework

Like need it need it

[calm shard]

they stick to unyielding and flak yes

[dry cloak]

Flak?

Since when

[calm shard]

yeah

since forever

[dry cloak]

They always fallen to the ground when thrown into flak bruisers

[calm shard]

flak bruisers are unarmored on their head, arms, and legs

[dry cloak]

And most other higher tier scab enemies have some part cara

[calm shard]

yeah

[dry cloak]

Plasma and mauler have hesd

Ragers body

[calm shard]

also weird thing about plasma gunner head

in the pyskhanium it doesn't seem like their carapace head actually blocks ranged cleave?

helbore can shoot through them

[grand whale]

I got a question can ur focus fire stack with some elses?

[dry cloak]

Maybe quirk coded into them

[calm shard]

no

highest stacks overrides

[dry cloak]

Crushers will stop helbore unless killed

[novel moat]

Hope is all I have left

I NEED a volley gun. My life will be complete then.

[dry cloak]

Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment

[grand whale]

Ok tysm

[novel moat]

Very good loading screen line reference but I'm hooked up to the Hopium Tank via the brainstem.

I MIGHT settle for a stubber like the one in the talent tree art but I just need an LMG style gun for the vet.

[dry cloak]

braauto with mag increase

[novel moat]

Not familiar with the lingo, braauto?

[hollow ibex]

braced autogun

not exactly a LMG tho

you can only hipfire

[novel moat]

Oh. Yeah no. That's just an assault rifle with like, a ludicrous magazine size. Does not scratch the itch.

Same thing with the recon lasgun. It's not an LMG if it doesn't look and feel the part.

[hollow ibex]

yup

exactly

i also want a proper LMG

in the grimdarkness of 40K people have forgotten how to ADS with high-capacity automatic weapons

[novel moat]

It is a CRIME that we see plenty of these things in game but despite the fact that they are VICIOUS in havocs we don't get access to them.

Like c'mon. We got bolters, plasma guns, relic blades, etc. By all accounts we should have hotshot volley funs.

[topaz lance]

Imo, there's not really room in Darktide for those kind of weapons. They're coverd by the already existing options and would be redundant.

[novel moat]

Are they though? As much as the Braced Autos and Recon Lasguns are like, full auto weapons. They don't fulfill the role of horde clear ranged weapons specifically. The only other weapons that fill that role are twin linked heavy stubbers and flamers.

And vet doesn't have access to either.

[hollow ibex]

just give me a M240B

if you can add M1911s

you can add a M240B

[novel moat]

Kek

Honestly the huge part of this is that they'd just be fun options. They could come out of the gate absolute dog water and I'd still use them. Because I want to cosplay as a tempestuous scion for about 40 seconds until I run out of ammo and get one-shot by a crusher.

[dry cloak]

play oggy then

time to use this bueaty

[faint beacon]

Just put Calvacade on the Hotshot Volleys and magically they become the MG that veterans dream of using

Shocktrooper cough cough

[hollow ibex]

dual stubbers don't really scratch the itch

to me they do the same thing as braced autos

[dry cloak]

they are literally 2 lmgs stapled together

[faint beacon]

Added the fact that dual Stubbers eat ammo in 3 seconds and then you have to pray you’re in coherency with a Veteran

Or the team is generous enough to let you have the ammo

[dry cloak]

or play with 2 psykers and zealot

or any other build that requires little ammo

[faint beacon]

This is pubs you’re speaking of

They’re going to pick up the ammo regardless

Unless it’s purg spam

Rule #1 never trust your teammates

Also on topic of just play X class if you want to do Y thing, the argument doesnt really hold up to well now especially when Ogryn the staple CC class kinda got trolled by Forceful Arby existing

The only huge difference between the two is one is more mobile which literally Hotshot Volley vet would just be vs Glugger

[hollow ibex]

and yet none of them scratch teh LMG itch

braced guns just don't scratch the LMG itch for me

in general i think the 40k obsession with braced fully automatic guns is fucking stupid

what are we, third world child soldiers?

[dry cloak]

i can fucking guarantee you that if lmgs are added to vet they are gonna be braced

[hollow ibex]

most likely

at least in rogue trader and darktide, i haven't seen anything that's LMG-like that you can ADS with

[faint beacon]

Most likely that or a heavy variant that’s borderline terrible but you can ADS

Besides guarantee their would be more skill expression behind it being braced

[hollow ibex]

that khornian slip

i saw that

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-gif-6639449054247309135

[dry cloak]

For now weapon fixing is needed

Like proper weapon fixing

I prefer sap over brautos now

[faint beacon]

Brautos are fun on Hive scum

But notice I say only hive scum

The class with actual infinite ammo

[dry cloak]

Brautos could use having better mob

Like combat shotty mob

[faint beacon]

Yesnt imo

Small tweaks to damage

[hollow ibex]

brautos need help

[faint beacon]

Probably a minor mobility change

[hollow ibex]

really surprised it wasn't touched

with HIV release

[faint beacon]

I prefer they reward positioning better

[hollow ibex]

and by surprised i mean, what the fuck is wrong with you, fatshart

[faint beacon]

ILAS wasn’t either

Lmao

[dry cloak]

Like imo now vigis reward positioning

Same with shotties

[faint beacon]

I mean they always did

[dry cloak]

Db especially

I know

[faint beacon]

I played Vigis before the buff it was just far more emphasis on

[hollow ibex]

i mean ilas getting cucked is no surprise

[dry cloak]

Agrip vigi fanaic you are

[faint beacon]

You got fucked over for missing headshots

[hollow ibex]

but i thought they'd give brauto the cshotty treatment

because arbi gets cshotty

[faint beacon]

More of a Columnus III now

[hollow ibex]

and HIV really likes brauoto

[faint beacon]

I’ve always liked it but before the buff

Agri was a Better Column

Agri is still insane but it fits a super niche category and is still good

I just don’t like watching my ammo count get remotely close to final mag

Which Agri is a rollercoaster

Full to nearly none

Column being like 100-50% all match

[faint beacon]

Reminder they can use Vigils

[dry cloak]

I used colm before update with collat dump

Because stagger was too much

[faint beacon]

MMF Agri just fucking

Dumpsters carapace

[hollow ibex]

that was hilarious to me

[faint beacon]

If you have RS

[dry cloak]

Yeah

[dry cloak]

Rs?

[faint beacon]

Rending Strikes

[dry cloak]

Even with out thosr

[faint beacon]

Vigils still love the talent

[hollow ibex]

runescape

[faint beacon]

Get like 100+ damage

Why I always cram it into my builds

That and you can completely skip out on a stam curios

[bleak kettle]

is the spearhead boltgun + chainsaw blade a good combo ?

[faint beacon]

If you’re going down the regen speed node

2 Toughness 1 HP

[dry cloak]

On my colm 3 build when i get going with crits. Damn nothing stands a chance

Honestly

[faint beacon]

I’ve literally been playing nothing but Column III MMF with Taxe for the past

3 days

[dry cloak]

I can dump deadshot from the build

[faint beacon]

Tunnel Vision node

Shit is addictive

[hollow ibex]

it'll work

[dry cloak]

Holdover from old times

[faint beacon]

Surgical makes up for it

[dry cloak]

Yeah

Old build was very helbore oriented

[faint beacon]

Plus suppression immunity

Remember determined finally was baked into vet

[dry cloak]

Now if i brake out the helbore i can switch few nodes to have shock trooper

[faint beacon]

Thank fucking god

[dry cloak]

Some times on vigi build i will bring out me boltgun

Is fine

Never having ammo issues

Because actiually sniping crushers with it save ammo

[faint beacon]

See I actually snipe too many specials and end up running out

Frequently

Lmao

Now idk if it’s cause my team at that point gets too lax or something

[dry cloak]

Well you are running out of ammo doibg your job

[faint beacon]

But the moment I go dry shit gets bad really fast

Like they magically forget theirs gunners

Lmao

[dry cloak]

Oh fuck i have similiar stories

But with me as a ogryn

I go down game falls apart

Or arby for that matter

Like ogryn is such a presence on the battlefield that games without ogryns are actively harder

We all have such stories galeo

[faint beacon]

I think it’s more just the moment you invest so much into a class to the point you can confidently say you main X class

You magically notice your team becomes a lot more reliant on your plays

But Jesus Christ is it hilarious when you get a match full of people with similar skill

Active kill team basically being sent in

[dry cloak]

Yeah

My friend i play with a lot had a rude awakening when i started playing psyker

Because he was so used to me taking care of the chaff

Fun times

[orchid hemlock]

Isn't Psyker the most broken class in the game tho? 🤔

[calm shard]

this is me but every time

like I'll get trappered because they played no audio and shot halfway through a wall

and in the next 3 seconds the team completely folds

like come on people

[novel moat]

Late to convo, had to work. But I'd really be down for braced LMG aim style. I just really like holding down the fire button into hordes.

Gunlugger oggy IS really fun but doesn't have the same aesthetics of a heavy gunner infantry that I really like

[trim badger]

This is the PvE skill paradox

The thing that happens is that a section of the playerbase will get better because they're tired of losing

These players will end up getting so good, that they can compensate their teammates sucking balls

But now that the bad players are also getting victories, they think they're doing good

Thus they don't bother with getting better because if they're winning, they're in the "correct difficulty"

And thus the breach between the good players and the bad players will widen and widen

This is exactly what's going on in H40

So many players with the 40 completion but that they do NOT deserve it, the moment they're on your team they're ass

And the saddest part is that they'll not understand why they're losing, they got used to being carried to the point that if there's no carry on the team, they fold instantly

[novel moat]

Realest thing I've heard all day.

[trim badger]

It's just PvE in general

HD2, DRG

VT2, DT

Like it's just how it works

[novel moat]

I'm no god, nor have I cleared hav 40s but dear Lord the amount of people I see in Aurics that I just cannot fathom how they got even that far.

[distant plaza]

how can you tell if you're being carried, doing the carrying or at least being on par with others?

[trim badger]

The short answer

Scoreboard, focus mainly on damage taken

The long answer, you gotta perceive their decision making

For example If you get trapped and they take more than 3s to realize

They're bad and carried

Same with getting dogged on

[novel moat]

^^^

[trim badger]

There's so many little things you can see

And realize if they have gamesense or not

[novel moat]

Good players are really on top of disabled teammates. Sometimes they just can't get you up, but those situations are easy to see. You can see the attempt and the effort being put in.

[distant plaza]

i'm at the point where i don't want to get near poxbursters in line of sight of pubbies because some dumbass arby/scum is going to shoot it and blow it up in my face when i go to shove
i know, it's a really bad habit to get into -_-
but my trust and faith level in a lot of pub teammates is lowww

[trim badger]

lmao yeah

Nowadays I only play Havoc so it's a garanteed I won't have people who shoot bursters

Still some of these h40 players decision making is horrendous

Cornering themselves in the Hitler hallway that will result in all of them dying

[trim badger]

This defenitely happens the most in Auric

Auric is the new Damnation in where people get megastuck

and they're now forced to learn the game, or be lucky and get carried

[novel moat]

For me I play Helbore vet, I try and shoot most bursters that are far from my team. But just as I'm about to shoot one teammate sprints past me from off screen to RUN UP to it and push shove it. And gets exploded cause I already fired.

Like I would rather folks not go out of their way to try and push them unless it's necessary, and have a sense of where the team is.

[distant plaza]

i would've said that about heresy...except some people manage to filter through to damnation...and i'm finding myself godsmacked sometimes at the bad decisions made in damnation matches -_-
but then, i'm someone that was in the malice trap for a long time, trying to make sure i understood what the hell was going on before moving up

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/V5q91tG the shit I have to do to revive someone who is like 5 meters from my teammates

[novel moat]

Literally.

Trapper nets are SO fast to get rid of.

[distant plaza]

i've tried to follow the advice i found on reddit:
let the person its targeting/closest to decide
and some people are oblivious to one creeping up on them -_-
so shout and hope they survive? lmao >.>

[trim badger]

I was lucky that I started playing darktide after 400 hours of VT2 or so xdd

so I had the fundamentals from the get go

quickly climbed to Auric Maelstrom even before hitting the 50hs I think

[trim badger]

Nimble + Jittery broken af xdd

[bleak tendon]

What do you guys think the plasma will be reworked into?

[trim badger]

plasma will probably get the primary fire nerfed and secondary fire buffed

[novel moat]

Some people in pubs you just can't help. I don't shoot bursters that are clearly close to the team or in threat range of a person. But I swear some people make it their life's work to push shove bursters, even if it means going out of position to do so.

[trim badger]

I don't think it'll be "reworked" really

at most have a new mark around AoE

[bleak tendon]

So no drastic changes like infinite cleave removal?

[calm shard]

I do this because it's safer than just letting them leap and potentially targeting someone wearing earplugs while gaming

[bleak tendon]

Hope they keep the wall-penetration at least

[trim badger]

maybe? idk

[bleak tendon]

Makes it real fun with executioners

[calm shard]

if I am not at the front of the team I usually just get the fuck away from whoever is

so at least if they're an idiot I don't suffer alongside them

[novel moat]

Smart.

[trim badger]

CLASSIC ARBITES PLAYER

[calm shard]

nothing in that clip was his fault other than getting hit by a disabler

which happens to me too

and it can happen to you

[trim badger]

nah I'm too good

[calm shard]

the two clueless dipshits with their heads in the clouds being too scared to walk through the doorway to get him out of the net however...

[novel moat]

It's seriously so easy.

It takes no time at all to help a person out of a net.

[bleak tendon]

Especially with revive speed talents/curios

[novel moat]

Exactly.

A crusher can start his heavy and you'll still have time to get them up and dodge out of the way.

Before the heavy lands.

[trim badger]

"okay but I gotta kill the trapper first before ressing, what if the trapper gets me huh?"

I'll never understand people in Auric that kill the trapper first before releasing the one netted xdd

[novel moat]

That one I'm a little guilty of, for me it's not that the trapper might get me it's basically just muscle memory. I'm sitting there dead set on sniping specials so I just get tunnel vision.

It's for sure something I need to work on though

[distant plaza]

i've had situations occur where one person gets netted
someone goes to rescue, doesn't notice a second trapper
gets netted as well
and on rare occasions, either a third trapper nets another potential rescuer, the first trapper successfully reloads, someone gets unetted only to get renetted, or god emperor forbid a poxburster gets thrown into the mess of a situation
-_-

[tepid otter]

Just another day in Atoma

[slender elm]

always tag the netter who netted you

[signal juniper]

what would be considered a good stamina curio? I see one in the armory that is +3 stamina, would that be considered good?

[slender elm]

that's best

[surreal rune]

410 and above are working +3 stams

[gilded pike]

clarify why this is unwise, isn't it risking a double net/ takes a second to splat the trapper?

[surreal rune]

400 stam curios only give 2 stamina

[signal juniper]

I'll get it then

Now I just need toughness, I aint got a single toughness curio

[trim badger]

Cuz the trapper would not have enough time to shoot another net

[surreal rune]

+3 are the best stam curios, but only on or above 410 score

[trim badger]

unless you took 5 years to get into the trapped player

[signal juniper]

yeah its +3 max stamina and 420

[surreal rune]

thats good

[stuck gorge]

Trapper can’t fire off for quite some time, and you have another player back into the fight who won’t die to a random poxwalker taking their kidneys

[surreal rune]

ah here comes the new curio grind on hivescum

[signal juniper]

Now my attention goes to finding a good toughness curio, I havent gotten a single drop or has been in the armory like ever

What about health I got a health curio that is 18%

It was a drop

[stuck gorge]

Max for health is 21
Max for toughness is 17

[surreal rune]

id recommend doing melk's challenges and then buying the defensive curio drops in his myst. acquisitions

[signal juniper]

yeah I got all challenges for the week

[surreal rune]

theres not much else to spend those tokens on

[signal juniper]

Im guessing the weapons he sells are bad since im checking them out there isnt one optimal one

[surreal rune]

its better to just keep buying your preferred weapon from the armory until you get a good roll

yeah, most of the time

[primal zealot]

yea his only real purpose is gambling for curios

[quick shell]

Sometimes he’ll sell something good, but it’s pretty rare. He was more useful in the old crafting system where he had good chances of selling decent rolls or t4 blessings and you could just skip a LOT of rng

[signal juniper]

yeah he had an optimal recon lasgun a day ago but since its my first week with the game I didnt have enough currency for it

second week*

[mystic pilot]

Dummy thing a teammate did or DIDN'T do today in a mission. It was the second mission in the seconde campaign.

we are at the LAST stage and this freaking dude didnt drop the ammo crate so we all could resupply the entire time

we did asked in chat

still no reply, no deploying of ammo box

that last stage was SOOO hard because fo that

people keep falling or getting crowd controlled

[slender elm]

Oblivious

[woeful oak]

What blessing to pair uncanny with on mk1 shovel

Decim or thrust?

[trim badger]

I think decim

[distant plaza]

the guide suggests deci or skullcrusher for mk1

[grave hawk]

how does threat even work

[hybrid plover]

Deci for general use, skullcrusher for bigger single target

[azure narwhal]

Skullcrusher allows for big bonk

Weakspot special

Into PA

[hollow ibex]

nobody knows

[tame lodge]

Killing builds aggro

Suppression builds twice the aggro

[fervent citrus]

yknow maybe its because im not putting the build to the test on a maelstrom since im trying to get through damnation, but it feels like the grenade build's hella weak

[hollow ibex]

like frags or what?

[fervent citrus]

until recently it was on krak for some reason, idk how that happened

[hollow ibex]

frags are very strong still

turns out infinite cleave is still op

who would've thunk

[fervent citrus]

idk man

i'll just quickly post my tree

[calm shard]

rotten armor is such a buzzkill man

[hollow ibex]

should path through skirmisher instead of onslaught

skirmisher is a 25% buff to both your frag and the subsequent bleed

you're massing out on a huge amount of damage

if you really want you can also take bistol for further grenade radius buffs (use lethal prox blessing)

[hollow ibex]

meme game mode

https://tenor.com/view/change-my-mind-meme-gif-23310141

[fervent citrus]

wouldnt leave home without it

mk iv right

other than that uh

i dont really have all that many other effective builds or i just dont enjoy or understand it

i know the helbore is good but for the love of all that is holy the iron sight makes me want to scream

[hollow ibex]

you'll need to drop two nades at once

if you want to kill things

1 is basically only stagger

[fervent citrus]

oh actually

[calm shard]

They used to be different!

worse

they were worse

Except for Mk IV

Mk IV's sight got downgraded imo

[fervent citrus]

i do have my laspistol build but i dont remember how the talent tree went

which doesnt matter

because the talent tree got rearranged

would be nice to have it back, it totally isnt my original havoc build i was trying to make

other than that for some reason i have a combat shotgun loadout and idk why

and honestly i dont care i could hypothetically replace it with whatever i want, i have just about every ranged dump roll anyway

despite that if i could id make it the infantry lasgun because THEY NEED TO BUFF IT OH MY FUCKING GOD

[spark iron]

Never using another melee

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/AjaPzVN infantry lasgun gaming

[fervent citrus]

im sorry its meta now

like it's finally worthy

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/0uFzlnl

[fervent citrus]

oh my god

what does it need

what mark, what blessings whats perks

[calm shard]

was certainly one of the HISTG games of all time

[fervent citrus]

AND BRUNT'S SELLING A GODROLL FALCHION AT BLUE?

[calm shard]

oh I was using falchion for the funsies

it's like not good

[fervent citrus]

ok to befair that was more unrelated but like

holy shit i even forgot about talents

what about talents

besides volley

[calm shard]

build (the rending is for the falchion not the gun)

flex points are 15 stacks MMF, MMF rending, Born Leader, and Ogryn highlight

gun

I was using IIb in those clips because I hadn't used it in a while

VII is more controllable and hits harder

IIb is arthritis simulator with the most infinite ammo ever

[fervent citrus]

wait why do i have two points left over

nevermind

[calm shard]

look into your heart to find the answer

[fervent citrus]

no im a moron i didnt see the middle keystone tree

[calm shard]

ye the 15 stacks

[fervent citrus]

anyway do i need the rending talent for this if im not using the falchion

[calm shard]

no

[fervent citrus]

i rly only use 3 melees on my vet though i should find myself a tac axe soon

[calm shard]

the rending is for the falchion because it needs it

[fervent citrus]

wait where is the talent

[calm shard]

the nodes you can drop to take other things if you don't like them are Born Leader, The Bigger They Are, Long Range Assassin, and Serrated Blade/Trench Fighter Drill (you can opt to take field improv instead to save a point)

[fervent citrus]

that rending might help with carapace armor

[calm shard]

not for ilas it won't

[fervent citrus]

i think your build will work better with a power sword or dueling sword

[calm shard]

yeah

[fervent citrus]

or a knife

thats the three i use

[calm shard]

I was using falchin for the funsies but it definitely wants a single target melee

[fervent citrus]

though as i said i really should get myself a tacaxe

wait why did i have mark 4 on my combat knife wtf

[calm shard]

though if you like infantry lasgun for the gameplay aspects of it and not for guardsman roleplay purposes

laspistol is effectively a direct upgrade to it

[fervent citrus]

...

why cant they upgrade the infantry

[calm shard]

it's just kind of in an awkward spot being in a family of a ton of semi-autos that all do specialized things and have good basic performance too

and it's the one that doesn't do specialized things

realistically it and the laspistol are the same exact weapon

but the laspistol's got better numbers so

[dry cloak]

Is it me or laspitol has scuffed hit detection

Mk10 that is

I see a hit i get hit sound but not a hit marker

[hollow ibex]

it's fine

prob just server issues

as usual

[dry cloak]

Ok

[abstract sand]

infantry really needs some kind of buff

[calm shard]

yeah but like what exactly do you do to it without having the las pistol in the exact same circumstance

like I said they're effectively the same weapon

laspistol also does kinda funny numbers already

[fervent citrus]

yay

guess im still using the laspistol if i wanna be actualy effective

[calm shard]

infantry lasgun does technically have an upside over distance tho

laspistol has damage falloff at range

infantry las does more damage over distance instead

[fervent citrus]

yeah but yknow the mobility kind of makes that irrelevant

[calm shard]

you are welcome to hold W into the swarm of gunners and snipers

[dry cloak]

With ghost? I dont see a issue

[fervent citrus]

yeah better to charge in and shout them to death while covering them in lasers than plonking them from a distance and risk getting mowed down

[calm shard]

honestly even without it...Exe MMF lol

[dry cloak]

Yeah

I use laspistol

As a pistol

Dumdum ghost and trying my best at shooting heads

[fervent citrus]

its just better and that pisses me off

at that point wouldnt it be bettter to use an infantry auto

[fervent citrus]

hey do you happen to have a talent tree for a laspistol build

i lost mine in the talent tree update

[calm shard]

the exact same one I just posted but use laspistol instead

did I mention the part where the infantry lasgun is identical to the laspistol

[fervent citrus]

well id rather use shout instead of executioner's

[calm shard]

so switch to shout :)

[stable viper]

whats the diffrence between the mk4 and mk6 bolt pistol

[calm shard]

the one with the worse damage/ammo has a bigger explosion

[stable viper]

preciate it

[analog mural]

Less ammo too iirc

[fervent citrus]

WOW WHO WOULDVE KNOWNs I WENT FROM DOING OK TO CARRYING BY SWITCHING TO THE LAS PISTOL

fucking god

[analog mural]

Yeah

It's good

[livid fractal]

could i get a standard psword/plasma gun build

[livid fractal]

how do you make las pistol good?

[fervent citrus]

dumdum and infernus

[livid fractal]

worth nabbing?

what blessings / traits do Pgun and Psword want

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[thorny egret]

This is pretty good until you get a perfect 60 stability variant

[livid fractal]

pgun wants 71 charge rate right

[thorny egret]

correct, 71 charge, 69 thermal

[livid fractal]

that sounds annoying to try and farm for

what is next best

is 66 charge 75 thermal fine

[livid fractal]

what does it mean by tier 0 / tier 1

[thorny egret]

if you're not gonna farm for the perfect stats just dump thermal

[livid fractal]

ah fair

why bomen and sunder and not like, slaughterer?

[thorny egret]

I got one with 72/68 and I just cannot be assed to look for anything better lol

[livid fractal]

also am i crazy or do I remember PGun having 2 marks

one that can explode and one that cantr

[thorny egret]

I don't remember anything like that and I've been around since Beta

[livid fractal]

also im sorry unarmoured??

[bleak kettle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df040b6-b9cd-46eb-8be0-c3dd02afc350/meta-nrgaas-bolter-veteran-havoc-40 could i use chainsaw blade or axe with this build any talents i should swap like getting serated blade instead of field improv

[tall torrent]

no

[tall torrent]

t0 is best
t1 is good

[livid fractal]

ohhhh

[tall torrent]

BM & sunder are better

[azure narwhal]

💀 💀

[snow torrent]

What dump stat for combat blade, first target?

[tropic halo]

mobility

[analog mural]

^

[snow torrent]

What is the reasoning?

[analog mural]

First target is damage

[snow torrent]

Ah, i thought mobility is great survival 🤔

Thanks

[analog mural]

The difference that 20% makes is minuscule, it still has the best mobility in the game

Besides ds5 I guess but no one uses that

[sharp epoch]

SHIVS?

[analog mural]

Knife still has faster sprint

Nice try

[unreal nova]

Knoife is still better. I made one on my ganger to try. More nyoom.

Especially since shivs lack the heavy sprint nyoom.

[sharp epoch]

they get a boost from the first heavy

[quick shell]

Never dump first target ever.

I cannot think of a single weapon that rolls first target that doesn’t then also want it

[snow torrent]

ohh so mobility it is then 😄

for plasma gun i guess ammo?

[quick shell]

No

You either want 69 thermal 71 charge or dump thermal

[snow torrent]

thats..specific

[quick shell]

That’s the breakpoint for 8 shots before overheat

You can run like 70 thermal too, since it just helps guarantee you can do the 8 shots

[unreal nova]

Yes, but the second breaks it. Mk 3 is better for nyoom, but it's slower than doing it on the mk 6 knoife.

[snow torrent]

not sure if i like boltgun or plasma better hmm

[quick shell]

You don’t dump ammo because ammo effects total ammo, mag size and pickups

[unreal nova]

69 is the guarantee mark. 68 is gambling.

70/70 just shows up more from what I know.

[snow torrent]

so 70 thermal and 70 charge?

[quick shell]

70/70 is fine. It’s gonna be really expensive to get unless u get really lucky

Just dump thermal if you don’t have potentially millions of dockets to blast

[unreal nova]

I wish ppl do that more than tell others to dump charge rate.

[quick shell]

I’ve never seen someone here say dump charge rate

[unreal nova]

Unless havoc, you rarely need to shoot 8 times in a row.

[unreal nova]

There are some. You can look up discussions on it.

[quick shell]

Well the issue with charge rate is

It also effects uncharged shots

[unreal nova]

I know that.

I have a 68/72.

[snow torrent]

so whats the difference between plasma gun and bolt gun?

they both seem good anti armor?