veteran-class

[rough galleon]

Like not even the shredder frag?

[tall torrent]

u can use shredder frag

but the other 2 don't count

[rough galleon]

Okay perfect thank you

Sounds good thanks

[tall torrent]

also use grenade tinkerer

bigger radius

[rough galleon]

Perfect 👍

[tall torrent]

just in case

[rough galleon]

Gogcha

[unreal nova]

Even Zealot and Psyker?

[tall torrent]

yea

well

boltpistol isn't very good to begin with

and for those 2 classes ur basically using it for aoe stagger since it can't 1 tap important enemies

[calm shard]

if you are using bolt pistol for the gun part of it you are using it wrong

[fair shale]

BP feels like a stat stick gun to me tbh

[tall torrent]

I made all weapon sections with consideration to all human classes

they're not veteran-exclusive

[calm shard]

the absolute shortest distance you can do this from is ~20 meters

[unreal nova]

To be honest, you are better off with something else then, lul.

[calm shard]

realistically 30-40

[tall torrent]

yea, that is usually the case

[calm shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1397384963984457888/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.07.22_-_20.06.16.11.DVR.mp4?ex=694748a9&is=6945f729&hm=513ac71393d380e1ec65b07d4c2e23e73bcb6838ef912baef4d1c8ec968d17d8&

[rough galleon]

sounds good

[tall torrent]

again it's just not that great of a gun

[unreal nova]

They really need to buff the damage a little bit.

The new mark is extra bad for that reason.

[tall torrent]

I have dmg numbers listed for all non-pellet ranged weapons

with 10% ranged dmg & precision strikes

cuz I think that's the most standard spec u build off of for 1 taps

for classes that don't even have those 2 talents u start at an even lower point

[unreal nova]

Thus, painful.

[livid sphinx]

Bruh I just hate it when you're far into auric storm survivor and then some bs just happens so you die immediately

Hopefully I was able to alt+f4 just in time

[unreal nova]

I thought they fixed that already. it now resets if you leave when downed.

[livid sphinx]

Nope I was able to get to 4 straight without dying because of it

But my last attempt I just died immediately so im not sure if i'm still on a streak

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I LOST IT AGAIN

FUCK

[hybrid plover]

Here are my words of enlightenment

The best way to do Auric Storm Survivor.

[hasty grove]

@hybrid plover the most Guardsmen Guardsmen

[hybrid plover]

Is to stop trying to do Auric Storm Survivor.

[hybrid plover]

Oh you weren't kidding you are like

Full on Jane Darktide over there.

[livid sphinx]

I mean I am not playing boring VoC while attempting to do it so maybe its also my fault

[hybrid plover]

I appreciate it.

[fair shale]

I think thats the most common fem face in the game

[hybrid plover]

I just wish the lasgun was better.

[hasty grove]

I’m the random background character that dies to establish the stakes for the main characters o7

[hybrid plover]

It's quite literally the best one

[livid sphinx]

I want to do it while having fun but maybe I would go VoC and WS Plasma + DS just to finally get the title

[hybrid plover]

And I mean that not to say that it's just pretty but also a lot of the other faces just look

[fair shale]

Tbh I kinda dislike it due to saturation. It doesn't feel like a real face to me anymore if thst makes sense.

[hybrid plover]

Odd?

[hasty grove]

I’m using executioner stance & lasgun

[livid sphinx]

Fuck man. I was almost gonna cream in my pants if I was able to do Auric Storm Survivor with exe stance

[hasty grove]

I like being the nameless cannon fodder trash

[hybrid plover]

The point I'm trying to make is that making an active attempt at ASS very often results in you losing the streak because you overthink it

Just play the game and it comes naturally.

[hasty grove]

Just get good friends to play with

[livid sphinx]

I have almost 600 hours on Darktide so its weird to not have Auric Storm Survivor

[hybrid plover]

I got ASS at like

[livid sphinx]

That's the sad part. I play in Asia so no one can understand each other

[hybrid plover]

1.2k hours

[hasty grove]

I have so many titles but… I don’t like them

[hybrid plover]

It ain't that big of a deal.

This game's bullshit sometimes.

[hasty grove]

I got ass when I started estrogen 😏

[hybrid plover]

tru

[livid sphinx]

Alright i'll just keep grinding like a mf

[hasty grove]

[flashing red sign that says laugh]

My highest title is dedicated adept

I don’t use titles because my entire goal is to be unremarkable

[fair shale]

Tbh I rarely play aurics let alone auric maels now

[hasty grove]

I place the third difficulty 90% of the time

[fair shale]

I've never sat down and gone "okay, let's play 5 in a row for the title"

[livid sphinx]

I mean i would prefer havocs but people won't accept you if you dont have a good titel

[mystic pilot]

@tall torrenttested the slug special attack

it do more damage than the normal attack point blank

[fair shale]

ASS is not a good title

[tall torrent]

ik it is consistent damage, and more than the pellet atks

[fair shale]

ASS is a kinda notorious title

[tall torrent]

but I really don't have enough character space in the shotgun section to put it

[hasty grove]

I get underestimated because my character looks like cannon fodder

[tall torrent]

I'd have to split combat shotgun into a new section

[mystic pilot]

on flak armored; 407 with all pellets hitting. 647 with slug. On Heresy Level

[livid sphinx]

its still orange though

[tall torrent]

just for 1 attack type's damage profile

[livid sphinx]

people look at the color of your title more than the title itself

[fair shale]

Idk man, I trust a Reject over an ASS personally

[mystic pilot]

so you just say slug deal half more damage on a single projectile

[livid sphinx]

Could you carry me for ASS?

[tall torrent]

it's not quite that simple

[hasty grove]

Im not good enough to carry anyone

I’m professional cannon fodder

AS ANY GUARDSMEN SHOULD BE!!! 💅

[livid sphinx]

huhuhuhu i'm a sweatlord in every game but I can't for the life of me survive 5 straight auric maelstroms

[tall torrent]

"Mk VII's special ranged attacks are pinpoint accurate slugs that can penetrate terrain (0.4), with significantly higher (& more consistent) damage & stagger. "
edited this

[hasty grove]

I could. I’d just… rather not

I could probably get the ASS title but I’d hate every second of it

[mystic pilot]

good deal. Man I need to use the slug more and aim at the head on anyone but caparace armored

its very nicely as a head burster

[hybrid plover]

I wouldn't try to.

[tall torrent]

u could just wait for the easier maelstroms to roll around

not all maelstroms are created equal

[woeful junco]

Congrats!

[tall torrent]

thank u!

[livid sphinx]

True

Usually I die to the ones with the mutants and the hounds

[unreal nova]

Just get it by accident the first 5 auric maels you join at 300+ ping while panicking.

[livid sphinx]

ranged elites are the easy ones

[tall torrent]

what's ur FS friend code

I can play a few games rn

[normal sparrow]

Hunting ground 20% cdr joins the chat

Playing that compared to IIIVEG or CIVI

[livid sphinx]

7766734428

sorry I just finished a game

[tall torrent]

mb in a team with friends now

[livid sphinx]

Oh alright

[maiden vector]

What all of you can say about this?

I use PS and Accatran

[narrow frost]

Some unnecessary picks at the top and none of the best talents in vet tree bottom right

7/10

[maiden vector]

For Bolt Pistol I use that

[narrow frost]

It's okay, if it works for you go for it

Still none of the strongest talents taken bottom right

[livid sphinx]

most of the time with accatran you'll be close ranged anyway

[narrow frost]

Skirmisher/exploit weakness/resp.

[maiden vector]

To this branch all melee and like.. crit for dodge passive..

For this passive you need to choose a lot of kinda useless stuff

[narrow frost]

Global crit and global damage

It's not just melee

Plus this is vet, you can't always be shooting

This isn't psyker or scum

[maiden vector]

Well, if going there, you wouldn't get to important target keysotne or not get laser infinite crits

[narrow frost]

I see 4 points without taking anything from bottom left off

[maiden vector]

2 points left

[narrow frost]

8 stacks of FT and rending strikes aren't worth

Tinker is also debatable

[maiden vector]

6 and why?

It's free damage

[hybrid plover]

Get Back in the Fight is uh

Not great

[maiden vector]

Also, it's free damage in both ways

6 debuffs and 6 buffs

It's stacks

[maiden vector]

Help me a lot of times

[gentle lake]

Are shredder nades worth using

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

[gentle lake]

K

[hybrid plover]

Just cuz kraks are now a much more viable choice, does not mean shredders fell off.

[narrow frost]

6 stacks isn't changing time to kill plus with its 7.5 seconds time to get max stacks isn't always going to happen unless you miss a lot

[hybrid plover]

Still very good for stagger and mixed horde clear

Just depends on the build you put them in

[maiden vector]

You forget, that you don't need to have 6 stacks on target to update damage buff

And also, you don't even need to kill target to get this damage buff

[hybrid plover]

Doesn't really change that having the extra stacks at all really doesn't benefit you that much

Not enough for a point investment in my honest opinion

[maiden vector]

It's free damage and not require you to do anything

Just press ping button

[hybrid plover]

the issue is that it's not enough for the investment

free damage doesn't matter when the damage doesn't actually change anything

[narrow frost]

It's not changing any TTKs

[maiden vector]

If 6 stacks it's +30% ALL damage FOR ALL ppl on target

[hybrid plover]

at most, you'll notice it on bosses

that's really it

[maiden vector]

I know, that with that, bolt pistol 2 tap any mutant

And yes, ogryns melts down with that and Accatran

Anyway, for Acctran and Bolt Pistol

Rendering is indeed not needed

[tall torrent]

ur missing a lot of dmg

[maiden vector]

Outdated

[maiden vector]

Also, crit not global, but melee, as I said, tho

[hybrid plover]

crits increase your base damage

[maiden vector]

Wait

Dayum

💀

[narrow frost]

Don't worry

I know the vet tree

It's also fatshark wording

[maiden vector]

☝️🤓 You missnumbered stacks of FT (I'm joking)

[tall torrent]

still missing a decent chunk of dmg

[maiden vector]

Where

Only thing I don't get is that exloited weakness

[tall torrent]

both exploit weakness and agile engagement

that's 45%

[maiden vector]

I have enough of swapping weapons with WS penance

[tall torrent]

not sure why u take GBITF either

it's fully worthless

[maiden vector]

The who

[hollow ibex]

this one

it's an always skip

[maiden vector]

Erh... it help to not die?

[hollow ibex]

there are better ways to not die

by taking other talents

because GBITF will barely do anything for you

[maiden vector]

Stun and Slow immunity

[tall torrent]

on toughness break

every 20s

[hollow ibex]

i think cd is 20 now right?

only 20s

https://tenor.com/view/maybeeeee-try-not-to-laugh-gif-12778510

[maiden vector]

Yes and you don't lose your shield each 20s

[tall torrent]

it's one of the worst talents in the game

[hollow ibex]

vet already has insane toughness uptime

if you're having GBITF proc frequently

i would be concerned

[maiden vector]

I said literally opposite...

[hollow ibex]

the ability should be barely proccing

which means it's fucking useless

[tall torrent]

if ur barely using it why take it

[hollow ibex]

@tall torrent this is why you need an opinion section in your guide on certain talents

[tall torrent]

noe

[hollow ibex]

"this talent is called onslaught. here's why it's bad."

[hollow ibex]

i'll write my own guide

[tall torrent]

noe

[hollow ibex]

with blackjack and hookers

[tall torrent]

go ahead

[hollow ibex]

spinning up chatgpt now

[tall torrent]

1 day of html formatting is enough to kill the avg adult

[hollow ibex]

this is why you use llm for the slavery stuff

[maiden vector]

You don't barely use it, you will lose shield eventually, bc either no-one kill gas bomber or whatever thing can one shot your shield or both

[hollow ibex]

no one? why aren't you killing it?

that's like vet's #1 job

and if you lose toughness, you can regain it very quickly on vet anyway

esp with VOC

[maiden vector]

It's a stair on mission with hacking big square

This mf was downstairs and between me and him were morbillion ppl

[stable socket]

born leader instead of demo team and fire team instead of survivalist means this is not a havoc build, which means realistically anything will work

[hollow ibex]

true true

[stable socket]

but i feel like if you get toughness broken as vet, stun immunity won't really save you

it's not necessarily bad if you already have enough damage though

[tall torrent]

it won't

basically ever

this is not hive scum's burst of energy

[stable socket]

yeah just getting toughness back on toughness break would be cool

[hollow ibex]

burst of energy is GBITF, if it wasn't shit

[stable socket]

if you already hit all the feasible breakpoints on auric i think you can take whatever you want at that point

personally i have never been toughness broken without instantly dying immediately afterwards, but if it happens to you frequently and getting stunlocked is what kills you, then by all means take GBITF

[maiden vector]

Isn't more aura radius is good?

[hollow ibex]

There’s always opportunity cost

[stable socket]

does vet even get coherency radius? born leader is small shared toughness regain for allies in coherency if you regain toughness

[hollow ibex]

It does

[stable socket]

oh i see it, it's literally the second half of the talent my b

[hollow ibex]

Everyone does

[tall torrent]

it's not as good as demo team, let's put it that way

[stable socket]

in high difficulty everyone is generally playing close already and demo team is insane in high elite/special density situations cuz vet grenades are super strong

and in high difficulty there are a lot of elites/specials to give you free nades

[maiden vector]

Anyway, las brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and bolt pistol supremacy

I want to have opening shot for las brrrrrrrrr but whatever

[stable socket]

i think the bistol tree is pretty close to the cookie cutter build, i think most people recommend reciprocity instead of close quarters killzone? not 100% sure on that one

cuz vet has a lot of good finesse weapons

[hasty grove]

What getting a rager flock on you feels like as executioner stance veteran

Like what do I even do!

???

Just die ig

[stable socket]

block, dodgeslide backwards, pull out your gun and kill them

[tall torrent]

U just lock in

[hasty grove]

I don’t use power sword

[tall torrent]

U could do this with Rashad too just takes a bit longer

[hasty grove]

Vroomvroom sword

[stable socket]

if you can stagger ragers out of their animation it becomes way easier to kill them

[hasty grove]

🦅

[maiden vector]

I think about this for las brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[stable socket]

otherwise you let them queue up the multihit animation, back off and use gun

[tall torrent]

Oh Chainsword

Then don’t put urself in that situation if u can

And if u do

Drop grenades

[hasty grove]

Thats the plan 😭

I hide behind my team and headshot specialists so me having ragers on me is indicative of a larger problem

[maiden vector]

If I remember that correctly, you can just dodge around rager, bc they channel all attacks in one direction

[hasty grove]

Its very difficult to remember that in the moment is all

[tall torrent]

comes with practice

[tame lodge]

You lock in

(nothing happened because the psykers just ate through that pack no problem)

(I still have the rest of the video somewhere)

Also

I just noticed that I tend to aim a bit lower than I should

Maybe because I'm too used to my other max height classes

My vet is like

1 notch below mid height

[bold ibex]

Anyone have a good tree path for Boltgun build? I've been using VoC but just wanted to see if anyone uses anything else.

[maiden vector]

I fucking hate stealth zealots

Like, this mf whole nightfall if there horde, JUST FUCKING RUN AWAY and complain why you too not do that

While you veteran and everything shoot/stab/burn you

[cyan verge]

tbh I don't find ragers too hard as vet just stab in face and he die

'make space and kite' is reasonably doable

[crude wind]

sounds like they don't know how to play Stealth Zealot

[sudden cedar]

Well, how DOES one play Stealth Zealot?

[crude wind]

use stealth to delete high priority targets

run relic blade

profit

[sudden cedar]

Might as well go for FofT instead.

[crude wind]

not really

plays totally differently

[sudden cedar]

Does the same thing without fucking your team over because you dump all the aggro you have on them.

[crude wind]

It doesn't fuck your team if you know what you're doing.

just sounds like bad players/skill issue

[gentle lake]

what do I put on my heavy sword

[sudden cedar]

Since Hive Scum run Untouchable, i can attest that dropping or redirecting aggro is not a good thing

When Poxbursters decide to change targets mid flight, something is inherently wrong.

[crude wind]

watch this video. Havoc 40, combine, one of the best players in the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq_x2tGLIns

then tell me its bad

seriously, people need to stop malding and sulking and start learning

there are very few truly bad abilities in this game. just bad players

(Vet Stealth and Ogryn PBB I would call bad, and even then, Vet stealth is still kind of useable)

[sudden cedar]

It is still bad.

You can prevents thing from happening rather then fixing things after they went wrong instead.

[crude wind]

lol

"I WOULD RATHER BE WRONG THAN LEARN"

cool dude

[sudden cedar]

Believe what you want to believe based on my statement.

I won't try to change your mind.

[crude wind]

you couldn't, because I have seen players better than both you and I do exceptionally well with it

[sudden cedar]

What i give the player credit for is that he's not using any obvious mods.

That is about it.

I remain unconvinced.

And, yes, perhaps these players do actually do exceptionally well with it, but do they do a good job at keeping the team alive through their actions?

And what i mean by that is, preventing things from going downhill and people dying, not keeping the mission running.

The build he's using, although i can't say anything about the exact talents, feels to me very much like a very selfish build, quite similar to Castigator's Stance for Arbitrator.

It does nothing really for the team, but potentially even making things worse.

And the whole "it doesn't fuck up your team if you know what you're doing" i remain sceptical toward

There will be enemies that are focused on you, including melee and ranged, specials and elites, and you drop the aggro you have, redirecting strikes away from you unto others, who will be very much unaware what is about to happen.

But, at the end of the day, you have your idea about it and i have mine. The two may not align and we may not come to an agreement on it. But that is fine.

[maiden vector]

Well, that's the meme

I'm, as a vet, if cornered, must fight

Bc we played on sand watch

And were go to destroy cans with green goo

[sudden cedar]

??

[maiden vector]

He just runs away

[sudden cedar]

Stealth Zealot or not, that is just idiotic behaviour.

[maiden vector]

Well, I get that

[sudden cedar]

No mattter what class you are playing.

[zinc gate]

One shotting bosses and captains before they get a chance to screw over the team?

[maiden vector]

The meme is, dude not deal with horde at all, either run away or just kill bunch of specs and run away

So we were 2 with scum to deal with horde

Bc we played in 3

4th was bot

Dude died and leave bc nulified penance progress

Also, why dual smgs of scum so broken

[zinc gate]

Stealth zel is actually really hard to play well but if you know what you are doing you could do so much for the team

[maiden vector]

He run away and consider we follow him

[zinc gate]

ive had games with 100 specialists kills and more dps then the inferno psyker

rip

[sudden cedar]

Must have been some lower difficulty or a really bad inferno psyker, sorry to say.

@zinc gate One shotting bosses is good and fair, but it is not needed, as quick enough is sufficient. Especially since you don't have to sacrifice everything into setting this specific thing up. To add to that, bosses are never really the reason why a mission fails when it comes to it. It is everything that comes WITH bosses that will be the issue.

[zinc gate]

It was havoc 40

if your team has good enough boss damage you could take the opportunity to go behind and deal with everything that comes with the bosses

You just haven't played with a good one yet to realize how valuable one could be @sudden cedar

[sudden cedar]

Perhaps that is true. But i have played with plenty bad ones that tried to maintain a facade of being good players, yet leave at first opportunity while struggling with everything else that isn't bosses. And even with bosses, the ones that can deliver are few and far between.

In general, players that puff themselves up are usually the ones that leave first.

While those that tend to struggle, they stay.

At least, that is what i observe.

[azure narwhal]

Fotf zealot has far more sustainability both for damage output throughout the match and for survivability. Shroudfield gains value in havoc more than anywhere really, where being the dedicated boss killer does mean something, but you are damaging your overall output just to fit slightly better into that team comp, something you naturally do well enough, imo

It's certainly in a good state rn that's for sure

But fotf is still amazing

[sudden cedar]

I agree with your statement.

[steep flower]

debatable; i saw him play & partake on a stream... boi despite instructions how to use mk3 shovel was struggling with regular chaf (dunno if impaired or on purpose)

[gleaming sun]

Any recommendations to what weapons use after being used to the Las pistol and Las Recon?

I tried moving to the bolters but I just feel too...slow

[unreal nova]

Or one trick pony. Some ppl can really only use one loadout like a god.

[steep flower]

we did; despite being good he was only noticable when he killed bosses & flame from time to time - otherwise it was like a 3 man
Nothing againts the man or anyone using such builds but hyperspecialized builds are not really that great in the grand scheme of things

[steep flower]

try bolt pistol/zarona revolver

[unreal nova]

Maybe inf autogun for a stressfully harder to control but stronger recon alt?

[gleaming sun]

I'll give it a go
So uses to quick firing that now going for the chunky ones feels too damn slow lol
Thank you

[zinc gate]

That doesnt sound like a good one if thats all he did

Being able to rush glitched demonhosts while the team is bogged down in the back is huge

getting behind a line of reapers and gunners and taking them out to remove pressure from the rest of the team\

being able to revive someone in a bad spot and huge clutch potential

[azure narwhal]

It's more or less the build. Even if it were a better player, that's just the type of playstyle shroudfield makes you fall into

[zinc gate]

@steep flower https://youtu.be/1yYmm3_x1Rw im the stealth zel in this 2m dps 400k more then our shriek psyker you could see the end stats

[azure narwhal]

Oh, with vect

Guessing this was IJ rb?

🤔

[steep flower]

Dmg is not everything; Shriek psyker is the one with purg and that one has 3,3m; you have 2m where roughly 1/4th of it is flamer
Taunt does carry you & others from being overwhelmed (CC is important and hes the main CC of the team - psyker with shriek can provide some albeit limited); even the creator of the vid acknowledges that (and rightfully so)
as for others things;
rushing glitched daemonhost can backfire tremendously cause nobody will be able to help ya & you dunno what is gonna be next to it - its a gambit - sometimes its best to kill the daemonhost than doing that and considering the comp for example in the vid; it is better to kill it than rush by your own into the unknown (after all you have shroudfield dmg, melee psyker & tauntgryn for some stagger & probably SC for more dmg)
same goes for ranged units; with flamer is easier due to suppression but if they are more spread and you won't be able to suppress them all you get targeted & risk life
reviving/doing objectives is obvious but if you had tools that would prevent that in the beginning that value is more of a safety net than prevention & preventing a disease is better than curing it
as for the zel we had; he did not needed to do much cause we already did the stuff before he could do it by himself with shroudfield (outside bosses) - be mindful that terrain of the map & personal skill of the players present together with their kits are factors most important

[steep flower]

keystone does not matter much in terms of shroudfield playstyle aka you still do the same no matter what keystone you pick with it

[azure narwhal]

Yeah, of course, more or less out of curiosity really.

But i do agree with what you said, it's an amazing run by everyone though there are still factors in there that.. "support" the gameplay, like the aforementioned taunt and vect running soulblaze. But then again it's a little difficult to see shroudfield zealot in such an isolated gameplay example, almost no one runs like that in havoc 40, no less

[wheat stratus]

Alright guys, I'm going to clear up something here
First of all, Cat here is an absolutely INSANE zealot player
That game he linked is not the only one, I uploaded just that because it was the most marketable for youtube purposes
Not to be too bragy about myself, I'd like to think I'm a pretty good psyker.

https://youtu.be/J_qOdFcddJY

[steep flower]

Shroudfield & Infiltrate utilize stealth to the point they are not that noticeable majority of the time in the team
JK; still valuable

[wheat stratus]

Cat here using stealth zealot beats my damage as inferno shriek HALF the time we play
This is a game just from today: https://postimg.cc/2LktvyWw

Now to be fair he's the only one I've ever seen who can do this. So not to say steath zeal should somehow be meta to the vast regulars, but it shows taken to the extreme it is something

[steep flower]

notice 1 thing; both of your dmg & his are very similar (meaning both perform well but there are many factors to consider) & comparring boss dmg with psyker is like comparring raw potatoes to french fries; you are not a boss killer by a long shot - he is

[wheat stratus]

the point is, a stealth zealot IF played at HIS lvl, beats book/charge

[steep flower]

literally 57,8k dmg - very marginal; still a gj

[sudden cedar]

And what i also see, we have two psykers. On that note, are there any problems with soulblaze stacks when there are two psykers?

[wheat stratus]

The other guy is a melee psyker

using FGS and wall with EK

[sudden cedar]

That is not an answer to my question, actually.

Sorry to point that out.

[golden folio]

What diff is this? Psyker has so much free infinite cleave and scaling damage that Zealot should not be outdamaging into high Havocs, but Zealot can outperform in aurics where density is still pretty low

[wheat stratus]

There is a warpfire field, do you see any warpfire damage on the other psyker?

[wheat stratus]

It's havoc 40

[sudden cedar]

No, but it is still no answer to my question.

[golden folio]

Psyker kills one elite and sets the screen on fire, the effort to damage ratio is busted

[sudden cedar]

Shall i repeat it so you understand what iam asking?

Are there any problems with soulblaze stacks when there are two psykers present that apply them?

[steep flower]

in dmg it might but there are other things to consider;
FOTF provides better mixed horde clear & management cause of double charge, att spd buff & the fact that charge pushes enemies asside that you bump into outside bosses, crushers & mutants (unsure about bulwarks & reapers)
Book is a support ult and comparring it to a boss deleting/dps ability is foolish - they both serve different purposes

[wheat stratus]

If you are asking a general psyker question that is unrelated to this debate then you are welcome to seek your answer on the psyker chat

[sudden cedar]

By the Throne, i honestly am going to say this.

If you know the answer, how difficult is it to say "Yes" or "No"?

[steep flower]

melee psyker had no warpfire dmg as far as i saw

[steep flower]

i do get it

its about application rate & density & range of the psyker vs mobility & opportunistic nature of shroudfield

if shroudfield takes lots of aggro on himself and psyker does not keep to it & him with the enemies the dmg falls for the psyker obv but as i said earlier; dmg is not everything

[golden folio]

Just checked the scoreboard, it makes sense that Zealot outperformed since most of the zealot’s damage was from boss killing because the half the team didn’t contribute to boss dps

FOTF still outperforms stealth in a generalist build

[steep flower]

i think boss dmg is calculated outside of general dmg

there was a discussion about that many weeks ago

[wheat stratus]

with abilities there are skill celling caps, books has the lowest, which means you could be a newbie or you could be a god lvl zealot player, your contribution with book won't differ that much, charge is the next highest celling, stealth has the highest. Obviously all skills contribute something, experienced what I have in those games I can say at his lvl, contribution from stealth zeal FAR exceed your avg book bots

[golden folio]

Not on the scoreboard mod, general damage still counts boss dps it just doesn’t count overkill

[steep flower]

yeah about overkill; not shown...

that is also important info

[azure narwhal]

With what i remember off of the top of my head "similar role" argument aside, it is redundant because of soulblaze cap existing.
Each psyker depending on their build has their own maximum stack limit. This means that if one psyker applies a certain number of stacks, the second psyker using a source with a lower maximum stack limit cannot add more or increase the damage beyond their source's cap.

[red portal]

Damage dealt can be less than boss damage on scoreboard so yes by default total damage is not tracking boss damage.

[golden folio]

Book zealots are a detriment to the team most of the time. You nearly halve your damage output and most skilled players avoid chorus like the plague because of how brainless boring it is so you end up with chorus bots who don’t even know how to position and can’t kill anything

[sudden cedar]

@azure narwhal My thanks, that is the type of answer i would have liked to have.

[azure narwhal]

Psyker pinned guides have more on sb though, this is just what i remember

[sudden cedar]

I see.

[red portal]

Iirc wildfire is 4 all normal sources is 16, perilous and shriek is 32

That's all you gotta remember for soilblaze

[steep flower]

skilled book reads the room MUCH better than an average one & thus can save the team/push with it through a dangerous location to another more advantegious/safe better - shroundfield & book share perception checks if you could call it that but shroudfield cannot compete with the lv of supportive carry book can provide NOR book cannot compete with the amount of opportunistic escapades & boss dmg shroundfield can provide
don't compare support ability to a dmg ability - its foolish - as i said above; comparring potatoes to french fries

[red portal]

Might have somewhat agreed with you back when book uptime was near permanent but now there is a mountain of difference between a mediocre and good zealot running book.

[golden folio]

You can still see how much the team contributed to boss damage relative to each other, overkill damage is shown if you use original scoreboard or power DI, not sure if ovenproof has overkill option

[wheat stratus]

what's the best defense? A DEAD ENEMY. It is absolutely comparable. Again, I wouldn't recommend stealth over book to your avg teams. They don't have that lvl of skill to fully hit stealth celling by far. But at a certain lvl, it is better than book

[red portal]

You're not wrong but nullifying your teammates mistakes through yellow toughness will allow you to have 4 people doing damage over 1.

[zinc gate]

Thats why he said at a certain level

[golden folio]

Book is the worst support ability by far, any other class can play “support” while killing a ton too while chorus just lets you stand there and pause the game a bit while 3 players do the job of 4

[zinc gate]

at a certain point people stop making mistakes or not as much

[golden folio]

Gold toughness is cool too but just get Vet and you’re golden

[red portal]

A pause button is enough at times but I do feel book just needs a rework.

[steep flower]

ah yes the foolish monica of 'best CC is to kill the enemy'; soo many have fallen to that not-so-true statement
i would not say its better - its AN OPTION that can fill in gaps the team lacks; as i said above;
don't compare support ability to a dmg ability - its foolish - as i said above; comparring potatoes to french fries

[wheat stratus]

if you are at that lvl of team skill, YES, BEST CC IS A DEAD ENEMY LOL

https://youtu.be/uw2atoIOcTc

if your team is not at that lvl, then absolutely you should take the book

[golden folio]

Voc, Shock mines, taunt pulse, any big blast blitz pauses the game enough, you never need enemies to stand still for that long because everything can just be killed instead

[wheat stratus]

or you'll wipe

[trail ore]

shock mines are broken especially

don't they stun like everything except monstrosities

and you get one for free every 60 seconds
amazing

[steep flower]

there are soo many factors to consider... its never black & white in this statement

[steep flower]

exept mutants & bosses

[native ocean]

90 now

[trail ore]

okay that's a little less broken

[wheat stratus]

the only factor is, skill lvl, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way

[native ocean]

lone wolf cooldowns got changed, shock mine takes 90 seconds to regen and impact grenade 45

[steep flower]

use arby nades; underrated

[trail ore]

i agree as an impact nade user

those are equally as fun to use

[native ocean]

Ya it was a good change

[steep flower]

not only;
Terrain
Modifiers
Density of the enemy & TYPES OF ENEMIES
Available teammates & their respective kits (weapons, abilities, blitzez, even auras)
It's never that simple

[steep flower]

buffing arby nade was a mistake

shits busted

was already but now you get it faster

[red portal]

Time to ledge monstrosities I guess.

[golden folio]

Because people refuse to acknowledge some nerfs are justified and instead Fatshark has to hand out buffs as a consolation which completely removes the point of the nerf

Powercreep is great

[steep flower]

OR just stunlock them/do almost 7k dmg to them per nade; very balanced

[red portal]

Vermintide 2 is in a way better state balance wise than darktide.

It still has stuff that is overtuned but not to the same degree.

[true jackal]

https://i.redd.it/yn7lizvdc07g1.gif

[true jackal]

helldivers 2 and it's consquences on gaming

[steep flower]

same country origin as fatshark btw

coincidence?

i dont think so

[golden folio]

VT2 also has had a couple years of content and patches before darktide released, they’ve had their fair share of busted stuff on release like DLC classes. VT2 has had a longer time to balance things out

[true jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847815813300879360/1276072753488855171/smileybeef_-_1824476702992376093.gif

[red portal]

Every time fatshark tries to shake up the meta they just make it mandatory

[red portal]

I know.

I just think they should have learned by now

[true jackal]

fatshark?

learning?

[red portal]

I know impossible

Strength pot fire bomb engi was the original psyker.

Kills an entire chaos patrol

Except atleast it's using a limited resource I guess.

Linger storm battle wizard is also very stupid

Atleast there's no uncanny in vt2

[true jackal]

instead vt2 had that one thing that gave attack speed iirc

[red portal]

Swift slaying isn't exactly overpowered it's just most other traits kinda underperform in comparison

[native ocean]

I still can't even fathom what in the fuck happened with helldivers 2 balancing

I find 85% of weapons and stratagems to be fine and fun to use except for melee weapons which feel like a joke and some boring outliers like the autocannon

[red portal]

Tbf some of the nerfs they did to allready underperforming and niche pick weapons were kind of undeserved

[native ocean]

oh and most arc weapons being a teamkilling liability in the hands of most divers

[red portal]

Oh wrong reply

[red portal]

I have had it arc to someone like 60 meters away once it was funny as shit.

[golden folio]

The problem is tide games are not just a horde shooter where you kill more stuff=dopamine. It’s fun to engage difficult to kill enemies in melee with dodging and kiting which is what made VT2 special. But if everything dies instantly you never get to experience the melee combat which is dumb and you end up having to spawn so much stuff to compensate for powercreep that you lose out on the skill expression of deliberate melee combat in favor of infinite cleave and stagger so you don’t get overrun.

[true jackal]

true

(that's also why people dislike smyker)

[red portal]

Tbh being called horde games the hordes are laughably easy to just ignore at times.

[native ocean]

wouldn't inferno present an even bigger issue by that logic

[true jackal]

it does too yes,

[golden folio]

Yes inferno is a big issue

[red portal]

Inferno Is also problematic as hell.

[native ocean]

almost any kind of flame staff build just removes enemies from the game, smite moreso stuns than kills unless it's the stupid ep sg cheese build

[true jackal]

who'd have though an infinite cleave weapon with infinite ammo in a horde game would be op

[golden folio]

Pretty obvious that psyker soulblaze and infinite cleave as a whole is game breaking

[steep flower]

it is but atleats smite will save ya while purg will not (on its own)

[native ocean]

[red portal]

It needs to have it's flak adm's heavily reduced, and soul blaze needs to not be affected by non warp rending.

[native ocean]

also ngl smite spam doesn't turn my screen white at least lol

[golden folio]

Exactly why psyker is a broken op class

[steep flower]

uncanny nerf

trauma > purg

[red portal]

Good

The better staff wins.

[native ocean]

I love voidstrike the most

[golden folio]

Trauma is pretty busted but at least it take some mechanical skill to use, way cooler to see a skilled trauma psyker than inferno

[native ocean]

Least powerful but fun to line up rmb shots

[steep flower]

would not say better; both offer different things but overall trauma on its own can carry
purg cannot in certain situations
but as one boi said; it all depends on ones skill fr fr

[quick shell]

eh ok i gave the shovel a try

[steep flower]

[native ocean]

that cracracracrack when the ball goes thru a colum of poxers is peak

[quick shell]

i kinda dont feel that impressed?

[steep flower]

which mark/perks/blessings?

[quick shell]

i mean by the moveset really

which is the recommended mark then generally

[steep flower]

can show you stuff; have time now?

[quick shell]

wdym

[steep flower]

i'm free now; we can talk in vc & i stream for ya & teach ya about the shovel

[quick shell]

eh fuck it, sure, ive got an hour

which vc

[steep flower]

https://discord.gg/mHqjwSp4

[open ravine]

I wish we had a heavy and light mark of the plasma as we already got their models

[open ravine]

We currently have the Standard

but here is the light

and heavy

I feel light would have a higher fire rate but lower cleave and heavy would have a larger aoe effect when it hit something it can't cleave

[uneven acorn]

okay, i've finally decided to try a plasma gun build again
how do you build the things? what refines/blessings? never could figure it out

[pine plume]

#veteran-class message

[uneven acorn]

thankie o7

[calm shard]

have you considered that they may do the heavy like they did the bolter

bigger radius for worse damage and less ammo

[open ravine]

That was actually for the light version of the bolter

[slender elm]

Storm bolter soon™ 👀

[calm shard]

so called "light" version and it has less ammo

fatshark why

[topaz lance]

Damn the Boltor is so much fun. I remember it being my favorite weapon when I started playing and 1000+ hours later it's becoming my favorite again.

[open ravine]

I think it ended up that way as the only difference between bolter marks is the mag sizes

[calm shard]

I mean it also has a noticably larger and higher damage splash radius

[open ravine]

Talking about models

[fair shale]

Bolt shells are the same size, gotta make it lighter somehow

[fair shale]

Are those not exclusively a space marine thing

Did they give guard 3 variants of plasma?

[open ravine]

Plasma has a whole lot of different models

Surprisingly because it's complicated tech it ends up getting a lot of version which arises from manufacturing defects

The bolter is easy to make and such it doesn't often change

[fair shale]

Let me respecify

Does guard have rules for 3 variants of plasma?

I thought that was a marine thing.

[open ravine]

Yes and no

Most of darktide marks is based off lore

As table top some weapons don't got rules or they make all versions act the same

Also pretty sure plasma work more like a long ranged grenade launcher when you use charged attacks in the rules

[quick shell]

pretty sure plasma should work more like a voidblast yeah

pretty sure plasma should also go through armour like a superheated ball of plasma through butter

[open ravine]

It doesn't anymore because it wasn't balanced

[quick shell]

ah fair

[open ravine]

But hey we still get 90% damage modifier against carapace

I remember when plasma didn't cleave most enemies but did just go through all terrain

It was fun to kill a sniper 3 areas over through an entire hab block

[calm shard]

this never got changed actually it still does that

[open ravine]

It terrian cleave did eventually get reduced

It used have infinite but it got reduced to be blocked by thick terrain

[calm shard]

was that a closed beta thing

[serene orbit]

nothing disappoints me more these days than seeing someone with a helbore lasgun in auric

[calm shard]

disappointed to see someone using arguably the strongest ranged weapon in the game?

like what?

[serene orbit]

perhaps, but then you gotta realize like 1/10 people are good with it

[calm shard]

I guess

[fair shale]

Tbf

A lot of helbore people are krieg larpers

They aren't normally good anyway

If you ignore them the average good helbore user goes up ime

[serene orbit]

i enjoy the helbore myself but i just went through three straight missions with helbore enjoyers who were dead weight

🤷‍♂️

[calm shard]

I'm surprised you saw 3 helbore users xd

[serene orbit]

me too!

[hollow ibex]

krieg larpers i assunme

if i ever see one i assume they're shit

[faint beacon]

Helby is insane it just requires brain function to actually stay alive with it

And as the standard in here Krieg larpers tend to not have that unfortunately

[gleaming sun]

Being honest I just knew that the Helbore wasn't for me and, as a Krieg larper, I decided to stay away from it and go for other las weapons.

Or the plasma 🤷‍♂️

[cloud reef]

Is combat shotgun rated as a good wep? just tried it and holy fk it feels good

[sharp epoch]

purg and trauma say hello

[calm shard]

yeah

agri and zarona are good

accatran is so bad

[azure narwhal]

tbh anything works in auric even if people don't know to run exe + MMF or if they plain can't aim

[severe pecan]

Might be a silly question but how do you get the mk VI p sword

[brave acorn]

You can choose which mark to run

[azure narwhal]

simply purchase any power sword at brunt's armoury, go to inventory, click on it, to the right you'll see "marks". if it's locked, master the powersword until you unlock it

[severe pecan]

Thank you

[severe pecan]

Cheers didn’t know you could do that now. That’s cool

[brave acorn]

Btw, I remember there being a blessing that lets you cleave through bulwark shields when powered. Does that still work?

[azure narwhal]

that would be sunder. and to be honest i do not know, i don't use Psword anymore

but sunder is still the pick so you'll find out one way or another

[brave acorn]

Well I’m running it but I found out the hard way that it don’t work🤣

[azure narwhal]

lol

well if it's any consolation

3 kraks + better grenadier talents

[brave acorn]

I gotta do Armorbane so that’s probably in my near future

[hasty grove]

Is this a slay?

[azure narwhal]

the greaves + armageddon coat look good however the commissar hat doesn't have a place here, methinks.

also try to find black weapons

[hasty grove]

Im only using the red skin because the lasgun mark I’m using is UGLY asf so I changed it with the skin

I used the hat to match it

This is my gal’s usual look

[severe pecan]

Diff colour officer hat maybe

Black one

[azure narwhal]

yeah, i see. it's pretty good. but i am biased because i like uniformity

[hasty grove]

I have the one with the cybernetic peeper

[severe pecan]

Whack it on

[trail ore]

hey i have a krieg mini with plasma!

they also don't use shovels as melee weapons.

[gleaming sun]

Yeah, I usually go with the combat knife or the duel rapier, I leveled up the shovel because it was the first one I got lol

But yeah, with my Krieg I usually go with Las pistol or recon, I'll soon try the Plasma but I'm used to the fast shooting of the Las 🥲

[hasty grove]

THANK YOU

[boreal silo]

hello peoples, my game won’t launch and i’m having some trouble reckon anyone can help point me in the right direction?

[hasty grove]

The krieg “wholsome gas mask noises shovel suicidarino!!!” Culture around them has RUINED them for me

[hasty grove]

Maybe try asking general chat? Or submit a support ticket

[fair shale]

What, you don't like perpetuated misinfo about a faction?

[fair shale]

What's going on with it/what's it saying/have you verified the files already

[boreal silo]

how do you submit a support ticket, i’ve been looking to do that

so basically

so i launch it from steam on my steam deck, press play, the game boots up and i press play on the actual game, it builds the shader cache then just… nothing. i’ve restarted my steamdeck, uninstalled the game (waited 6 hours for it to download). once it was reinstalled it worked and i got into the mourning stat but it was unplayably laggy and then the game quit itself and wouldn’t boot up again, back to square one. uk based btw

and yeah verified the files

[trail ore]

i just like 'religious guilt suicidal maniac' thank you very much

[hasty grove]

This

[trail ore]

more like idk the penitent one from blasphemous

never once screams when dying

[hasty grove]

My favorite warhammer faction overall and fav guard regiment are the Cadians

But

I can get down with some Krieg when they’re depicted properly

[fair shale]

Apparently it needs a compatibility mode for deck to work properly, first Google results says this, idk tho. I've never used steam deck so any advice I have is secondhand off Google.

[boreal silo]

thank u!! i don’t have a laptop or anything atm and ive been playing fine on the deck for ages, could the new update have fucked it up? surpised im not seeing more of it

[fair shale]

I imagine it's a niche issue

Don't thank me unless it works tbh, but you're welcome ig

[trail ore]

yeah i do love krieg
i think they're depicted pretty well in the novels

like, they're just REALLY fucking boring to be around

nonexistent social skills most of the time

[gleaming sun]

I wish we could have some kind of Krieg background or personality

But I know they would be mostly dead silent

[boreal silo]

thanks for the advice at least i got aired in general 😂

[azure narwhal]

i use professional, there's not much else

[hasty grove]

I like Cadian’s being angry pushy assholes

[azure narwhal]

cutthroat is well, C A D I A

[hasty grove]

And that theyre said to have gallows humor

[azure narwhal]

and the other is a literal traitor

so

🤷‍♂️

[fair shale]

Loose Cannon my favorite vet

And one of my favorite personalities in DT in general tbh

[fair shale]

It's the least I can do tbh, no problem.

[gleaming sun]

I made the mistake of giving mine the Cadian personality due that I didn't know we had Krieg outfits

Now my character feels like a Cadian dressed as a Krieg or with personality disorder 😂

[hollow ibex]

you can change it

for 50k

[azure narwhal]

you can change it at the name i cannot spell but will try, chireurgeon

god knows how you spell that

basically

german barber guy

with one goggle to the side

leftmost of hadron, to the end of the room

since everoyone at least knows hadron

(i know what you are)

[gleaming sun]

Oh yeah
I am waiting to have more coin for that
I am in that estate of Newby with barely resources

Scarce resources*

[robust herald]

Kriegers haven't had a reason to drop into Tertium so it won't happen

I'm perfectly content with loose cannon krieger for mine honestly

[topaz lance]

He's obviously a skandi, probably Swedish

[hybrid flame]

I just call him funny accent murder surgeon.
Good nuff, sah

[trail ore]

that crazy surgeon from bioshock

[azure narwhal]

Maybe. Idk

[gleaming sun]

Wise words spoken by Kojima.
True, true.
Either way, I'll probably change the personality for something that doesn't speak about Cadia all the time

[trail ore]

'Go on, say something about Cadia, I know you want to'

[hybrid flame]

"HURRRR, THATS WHAT YOU SOUND LIKE. HURRRR"

[trail ore]

i like cutthroat because they're the only vet personality that acts like a bitchass to everyone else

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444017590748975125/1446774231940464822/6F3EDC1.MP4?ex=6947aa00&is=69465880&hm=f0c429d7766e69f4d1598313a8f2201190940a089536ff30774b4f664b803094&

perfect comedic timing

[trail ore]

to be fair i think i would blither on about my homeworld if it got destroyed too

[hollow ibex]

yeah i run cutthroat vet too

[gentle lake]

Cadia wasn't that important

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/seethe-cope-dilate-cigar-sigma-gif-4743152819201680534

[trail ore]

was this made by a chaos marine

[robust herald]

I'd recommend the same, maybe do the professional. I chose LC for mine because it's a stark contrast between what he looks like vs what he acts and sounds like which I think is funny

[gilded pike]

i'm not bitter at all

that they ate the Guard release slot

for years

[gilded pike]

Loose cannon is charming

[crimson wyvern]

Stagger reduction i.e enemies after being staggered wil be harder to stagger next time

[mystic pilot]

heh, Im just glad i looked past the meme shits to see the real Krieg

[hasty grove]

I am

[frigid rover]

there are some fun interactions but like 90% of the time the cadia vet is just incredibly grating
feels like im playing with a in-setting COD sweat

lad's tweaking harder than the scummers

high-key on that khorne juice, in the parlance.

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat is pretty annoying until u give him scion helmet voice mod

Then he sounds genuinely great

[hasty grove]

Cutthroat being grating

Is kinda the point

Cadians are abrasive feverous assholes

[native ocean]

I don't find them grating

[hollow ibex]

same

[native ocean]

I love them for how mean and deranged they are

[hollow ibex]

same

[native ocean]

Fem cutthroat is just

[hollow ibex]

cutthroat embodies my attitude towards pubbies

PRETEND you're soldiers

[hasty grove]

What I play

[frigid rover]

fem at least isnt foaming at the mouth quite so comedically

[hasty grove]

Hows my fem Cutthroat look?

[frigid rover]

i have to give props to the male ct voice actor for giving 110% but im still gonna roll my eyes at every 'FOOOAAR CREEEDHHGH~! '

[hasty grove]

Fem Cutthroat’s delivery of that line isn’t as good

But alot of hers are better than masc

“GET IN THERE!!! MAKE THEM SCREEEAAAAAAM”

[frigid rover]

theres a lot of weird discrepancies in delivery of the same line across VAs i find
feel like there should have been a more involved sort of 'everyone in the same room' brainstorming of the right energy for em

[hasty grove]

Fem cutthroat sounds so good with a voice modulator

I love the way her growling sounds when swinging a melee weapon when modulated

[proud bluff]

My fem loose cannon. Love my little gremlin

[blazing jetty]

Every time a loose cannon opens their mouth, you know they're gonna say something based

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's what I would have did

This is mine

[gilded pike]

my favorite descriptor of her is

"She'd steal your heart (and your credit card number)"

[quick shell]

Nah I like this

I'm pretty sure it's intentional

Plus male maul is really screamy and female maul is way less screamy and ergo better

[proud bluff]

I see it as the actors get the lines and a description of the characters personality and are free to put their spin on it from there

[quick shell]

yeah something like that

[proud bluff]

Fem maul is a hardass

Male maul is a lunatic pretending to be a hardass

[quick shell]

yeah

[safe dawn]

Does anyone know for a fix for the Perilgauge mod messing up when you use the plasma gun and power falchion at the same time?

[safe dawn]

[quick shell]

try asking in the modding cord

[safe dawn]

I did

[mystic pilot]

\

aaaw yissss

[stuck geyser]

is plasma gun dump really charge rate?

dumping thermal resist would be good for these blessings

[mystic pilot]

71% Charge Rate
69% Thermal Resist

[stuck geyser]

or will the gun be unusable? like too much overheated

ah crap so its like that

[mystic pilot]

thats the ideal ratio. everything else is 80

[stuck geyser]

yea tahts gonna hurt my bank

[tame lodge]

Yeah

If you're broke

Just

[stuck geyser]

have 913k now

feel like its gonna be gone so fast

[tame lodge]

If you're broke just dump thermal or something

Or was it charge rate if you're broke

Eh can't remember

[stuck geyser]

i have charge rate now

ok here we go

pray for me pls

[analog mural]

Dumping thermal gives you one less left click from 0 heat, dumping charge rate means you shoot slightly slower

[stuck geyser]

72 charge 68 thermal

yea thats good enough

[gaunt whale]

What is the best Personality for Commissar build?

[cloud reef]

what are the generally best considered ranged weps at havoc?

[hybrid flame]

Plasma, hellbore, one of the Las rifles(I don't use them so idk which)

[stuck geyser]

i basically only see plasma being used

at 30-40

[hollow ibex]

yeah because that's what everyone thinks is meta based on youtube slop

and plasma is stupid easy to use

[uncut marsh]

okay i just rolled a 69 thermal / 71 charge rate

[mystic pilot]

I found one with 70 thermal, 70 charge so i might as well get it now since it'll be forever to get the perfect tatio

[uncut marsh]

why is it the best?

does it breakpoint on number of shots per max heat? and make charging faster?

[mystic pilot]

That

Its the best balance

[analog mural]

Yes 68~ gives you one extra uncharged shot from 0 heat

[uncut marsh]

so why 69 instead of 68?

[analog mural]

Just to be safe because of rounding bs

[unreal nova]

This can be a minmax. Get the thermal to 68 and join a public game. Shoot into the air and count the shots. If 8, you got an actual god roll.

[uncut marsh]

i see, so the 68 could actually be like 68.5 secretly and still give you the 8 shots?

[unreal nova]

68.9~

Or some weird thing.

Fatshark code.

[hollow ibex]

you don't know the exact decimal it will be

so 69 is safe

[mystic pilot]

Yeah the tooltip wont show you the actual fractions but thats how it works behind scene.

Decimal

[grave hawk]

what falchion blessings do we do

[hollow ibex]

wrath/energy + cranial

[mystic pilot]

@grave hawk the pin. Bath:s guide will explain the blessings

[hybrid plover]

Double barrel

[unreal nova]

Thus, if you get a 68 thermal, best just test in a real game. You might be lucky.

[grave hawk]

?

[unreal nova]

Ehm, lucky LUCKY.

[mystic pilot]

@grave hawk edited

[grave hawk]

damn energy is insane

so mark 1 aswell

[hollow ibex]

yup

[tame lodge]

Professional

[grave hawk]

o also like the Cadian voice

[tame lodge]

Cutthroat is too PTSD ridden

But he does have great Voice of Command lines

Really assertive so yeah it'll work

[grave hawk]

yeah very im in chargy like

[gaunt whale]

Male or Female?

[tame lodge]

Male

[tall torrent]

nah

none of the 3 vet personalities are good for commissar

professional is too cheery

[gaunt whale]

true, but one has to be most fitting

[hollow ibex]

@tall torrent why use heavies at all on mk1? they're so dogshittingly bad.

[tall torrent]

cutthroat gets close ish but he's more kasrkin than commissar

[tall torrent]

scroll down and look at the cleave numbers

[hollow ibex]

if energized, light spam is still faster clear

than mixing in the dogshit heavies

[gaunt whale]

thanks y'all I think Cutthroat is probably best choice at least for me

[hollow ibex]

i think that actually might also be true without energized tho

and ST heavies are also ultradogshit

[unreal nova]

Loose Cannon is just funni.

[hollow ibex]

and cleave isn't a cosnideration there

[hasty grove]

Both

[tame lodge]

But he's also
PROFESSIONAL

[hasty grove]

I hate fem professional

She’s basically loose cannon

[austere mica]

What

[unreal nova]

Totally not stolen outfit inquisitor Commissar, yesyes.

[hasty grove]

She doesn’t feel serious enough is all

[tall torrent]

no, they have pretty good single target dps

just weirdly long windup

[austere mica]

I don't remember the last time I heard an f prof who wasn't a bot

[fair shale]

Honestly same

[gaunt whale]

unbelievably real

[austere mica]

Loose cannon is too silly for this world and I love her too much

She finally has a wife too

[hollow ibex]

yeah, that's exactly the problem

[tame lodge]

Fem pro actually respects the psykers

[tall torrent]

still high dps tho

[tame lodge]

While Male Pro and Loner have beef

[uncut marsh]

makes sense, i'll just stick with the 69/71 for now though

[tame lodge]

Even threatening killing each other

[tall torrent]

everybody has beef with loner

worst personality in the game

[austere mica]

They're an asshole

[tall torrent]

this is perfect, no need to change

[tame lodge]

Fem Pro and Fem Loner bonds over guns

[tall torrent]

loner still sucks abysmally

[tame lodge]

I mean
True
But still

[tall torrent]

they had to remove the aura of the same name because it was dogshit

says a lot about loner

[tame lodge]

"Guns are heavy"- Fem Loner

[unreal nova]

Oh?

[austere mica]

Fem bounty hunter

[fair shale]

do f bh and f lc get along?

[austere mica]

Smashingly

[fair shale]

m bh thinks m lc is lazy and a liability

[tall torrent]

I think the funniest interaction is between m cutthroat and m bounty

[austere mica]

Go find the frip short

[unreal nova]

Haven't got it. Maybe should play vet into friend's fem BH.

[fair shale]

i believe you

[unreal nova]

I play outlaw myself so...

[tall torrent]

m cutthroat also calls m bounty amateur lol

[unreal nova]

Girls' night out?

Claim back bars and get drunk as all heck?

[tame lodge]

With Hallowette on the comms

On Mercantile as well

[fair shale]

Tbf

He calls LC and Prof amateurs too

[austere mica]

He's just a hater

[unreal nova]

I now need this. FS gib drunk rejects mission.

[tall torrent]

cutthroat says that to veterans complaining about reloading plasma

but bounty hunter doesn't have plasma

[fair shale]

He defo calls LC many, many bad things ime

[unreal nova]

Speedrun bars to clobber heretics and get drunker and drunker.

[fair shale]

Like a poor excuse for a soldier

[tall torrent]

everything not marked WIP here is done

[unreal nova]

Which is funny when something plays from a vet that keeps dying as the LC rolls luck to not die.

[fair shale]

I think it's funny when any elitist personality dies a lot

[mystic pilot]

oooh I just rolled up a zealot today XD

[fair shale]

Loner, CT, Most/all of the Arbs

[unreal nova]

Naw Fatalist, at least the female, is more nihilist.

[fair shale]

They still think they're better than the rejects tbf

Nah they're not a nihilist

[unreal nova]

Way more grounded though.

[fair shale]

Its in the name

Theyre fatalistic about their position in the world

[unreal nova]

Maybe I read them the same way.

But still, most grounded to reality and knows nothing really matters.

Cos all in all, they are nothing.

[mystic pilot]

bath could you ping me, if its in #zealot-class when you publisn your zealot guide?

[tall torrent]

It’ll just be an expansion to the existing guide

[grave hawk]

what perks for falc. flak maniac?

doesnt show in the guide

[tall torrent]

It’s in there

[grave hawk]

ah

im just blind

[tame lodge]

Blind ahh

[cyan verge]

just was on rolling steel campaign on like malice... every enemy was moebian 21st? what the actual fuck?

[hollow ibex]

maybe a feature of campaign?

[unreal nova]

Also added as random spawns in certain maps.

But campaign is forced types so...

[cyan verge]

shouldn't be that either way level 10 hive scum just doesn't able to do it

[unreal nova]

I don't think they care about that though. Pretty sure with that being campaign 2, you would be 30 finishing the first.

[cyan verge]

rolling steel is part of the intro campaign...

[unreal nova]

To be fair, never touched the campaign in ages. If so, I assume they expect a four man anyway. Is it impossible even on uprising?

[cyan verge]

idk I am assuming it was just a bug or something, fortunately I am not the one stuck on it it was just a random game with other low levels

[unreal nova]

Likely not. Campaigns force specific spawn types on them.

[cyan verge]

it had the campaign mission type, it was 100% campaign

[unreal nova]

Thus, the mobian flak spam is expected.

Probably too much for actual new players.

[cyan verge]

no no not just like flak dudes, it was the special blue guys for everything

which is why I am confused, aren't those havoc enemies

[unreal nova]

Yes, they are flak armoured as well.

[unreal nova]

Nope, now added into certain maps as allowed spawns, same for the tentacled ones.

You will see smatterings of them in random hordes in normal missions.

[cyan verge]

either way I am just gonna assume they messed up and broke campaigns when they changed that cuz yeah

youuuu are not clearing that if you are a low level with just like a junky 90 power weapon

[unreal nova]

Or it was on purpose to get ppl to get new gear or upgrade their trash.

[cyan verge]

oh!

oh you know what, hold on, okay, you know nevermind, I was totally wrong

I was operating under a false assumption that rolling steel was part of, the baby campaign but no it's part of 'the road to no man's land'

so you know what I bet the mission is functioning as intended

just you probably do not want to do it as a low level unless you're using certain OP class or weapons, okay, now I understand, alright, that clears that up

[surreal rune]

yknow the release of the athonian cosmetics has effectively doubled the entire lorestock of the athonian tunnel rats from 10 sentences to 20 sentences

it's also given us 4 reference models for people who want to do kitbashes or prints

[tame lodge]

Actually true btw

[fair shale]

Actuslly yeah that deserves a 100

Even tho this discord update makes me keep accidentally putting them on messages

[surreal rune]

we had two entire images to reference before

so 6 total references now

[fair shale]

I think it's cool as fuck they put lesser know regis in darktide

[tame lodge]

Fatshark artists cooked with only 2 references

That's why they are goats

[fair shale]

The tunnel rat stuff is really good tbh

Like better than a few big regi outfits

[surreal rune]

the tunnel rats are said to use meltas often, and fight gene stealers

i may only hope for their arrival--the melta has unused icons in game

[unreal nova]

You can turn it off in settings.

I just don't mind cos I use that one emote so much.

[fair shale]

Thank you

[unreal nova]

Chat>gestures.

Just in case you can't find it.

[tall torrent]

they have messed up so many cosmetics in this game

[fair shale]

I could not lmfao, thank you

[tall torrent]

like

there's 1 singular veteran upper body cosmetic that doesn't run into weird attack animation glitches, and actually renders somewhat properly beyond a few meters

everything else has issues

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/nativekobe-gif-10939340739304088501

Bluebian armor used to clip with infiltrator pants

Glad it got fixed

[unreal nova]

This is normal, right? Just FS. They need to fix all the weird bald spots on caps even.

[tame lodge]

Basically everything vet clips with something

[tall torrent]

they're not gonna go fix every other vet cosmetic lol

like, this is not a case of "wat has issues"

it's a case of "wat doesn't" and there's only 1

[unreal nova]

True. I keep laughing everytime they claim they fix something but some other part of it has issues.

[tall torrent]

just do power sword's heavy 2 attack fully

and u will find the vast majority of vet upper body cosmetics having floating arms

[unreal nova]

I wonder if it's shoddy arms fov.

[soft river]

10% tdr node or exhilirating takedown?

[hollow ibex]

depends on the weapon

though i usually don't take 10% tdr

whereas i'll consider ET on ranged-heavy builds

[gilded pike]

Darktide is weirdly awesome for turning glurg shitto regiment into full on artstyles

more attention to elysians than GW

[mystic pilot]

so plasma gun exist. But no plasma pistol in game right?

[austere mica]

Yes

[mystic pilot]

curios because they do have bolter pistol and bolter gun

[austere mica]

Bistol happened quite a while after bolter

Plasma pistol will probably crop up eventually

[unreal nova]

I mean, need premium cosmetics and the popular ones only goes so far to fill the catalogue.

[surreal rune]

some bosses use plasma pistols i think

so perhaps one day

we yet have no two handed chain axe for ourselves

but it was a weapon in the files meant for use by the player at some point

[tame lodge]

There's also a bolt Pistol captain in the code

It had less toughness damage than plasma

But it also damaged health on hit

[hollow ibex]

that sounds pretty aids lol

[tame lodge]

Not a big fan of new bolter sfx

It has one hell of a bass (good)

But it goes chew chew chew

Instead of thud thud thud