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#veteran-class
hybrid plover
Like
tall torrent
stim pack and rampage are def their better ults
I think rampage hvs is largely just better zealot
faint beacon
stim pack and rampage are def their better ults
Desperado is super situational but like
sly orchid
faint beacon
I think it can be good also
faint beacon
https://tenor.com/view/do-you-realize-something-mr-boss-allan-smiling-friends-do...
What?
tall torrent
I think it can be good also
it can be it's just not my style
fair shale
Desperado looks stupidly fun tbh
sly orchid
mandatory for havoc 40 no joke
hybrid plover
I hate to say it but I genuinely don't see where zealot is gonna fit after Hive Scum comes out
tall torrent
@sly orchid also I just checked, zealot even with martyr is less dmg than vet melee
not joking
hybrid plover
70% damage for playing the game.
tall torrent
vet hits ~15% harder
sly orchid
<@427815660937019393> also I just checked, zealot even with martyr is less dmg t...
smh
hybrid plover
Most of that also not just melee damage either LMAO
fair shale
I think the executes on scum are gonna get goofy with crits
With that one talent
Attacks in this game can spike for like 3k damage
hybrid plover
I might honestly run rampage with all of the Chem bottom nodes and keystone
faint beacon
it can be it's just not my style
Honestly with how patient I am with spending ammo this will encourage me to go more guns blazing
I only see myself using Akimbo Stub Pistols with it
cause they actually chunk Armor
shockingly
tall torrent
Honestly with how patient I am with spending ammo this will encourage me to go m...
and die when ur ult runs out
fair shale
Stub pistols look the most stylish so
tall torrent
I only see myself using Akimbo Stub Pistols with it
I watched cole play braced auto with it
and thought to myself
"cole said braced autos are good with hvs
is this it??"
hybrid plover
Also I know the shivs are gonna be great on hive but uh
hollow ibex
"cole said braced autos are good with hvs
is this it??"
brautos still cucked?
hybrid plover
It occurred to me looking at the tree
fair shale
The shiv animations look so god awful i don't want to use them tbh
Wtf are those heavies
faint beacon
"cole said braced autos are good with hvs
is this it??"
Probably Brauto Desperado makes it actually feel good
hybrid plover
Flesh tearer knife might be fucking dumb on hive scum
faint beacon
I only see myself using Stub Pistols
tall torrent
brautos still cucked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sda38Gh0tq8&t=828s
u watch this then ask urself if u think this makes braced autoguns look good
hybrid plover
The shiv animations look so god awful i don't want to use them tbh
I think it's the FOV
faint beacon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sda38Gh0tq8&t=828s
u watch this then ask urself ...
Notice how much damage they have in the first 10 minutes
tall torrent
Notice how much damage they have in the first 10 minutes
yea
faint beacon
Vet level of get hit once and fent fold immediately
hybrid plover
Animations don't look bad but they look way too close up.
fair shale
I think it's the FOV
Its not, I mean literally the hand over hand stab forward looks disgusting
tall torrent
me watching that was just
"when does braced auto start being good"
faint beacon
Look all im saying is
If you play Vet without VOC
you're already prepared for Hive Scum in Havoc
fair shale
Tbh
tall torrent
you're already prepared for Hive Scum in Havoc
no?
stance vet is highest tgh gain of all classes by far
fair shale
Scum and Vets style of survivability totally different
hybrid plover
Yeah those aren't really all that interchangeable
hybrid plover
Exe stance can make you tank gunners face first without dodging lol
fair shale
Lmfao yeah it can
hybrid plover
Hive scum is just gonna fucking die if you try that.
Literally fold like loose leaf paper.
faint beacon
Okay chill the fuck out
Im more so talking about how the moment your toughness gets below 75% with Vet you're immediately cooked
tall torrent
no u have close order drill
faint beacon
? The uptime is barely ever noticeable at times with how much carapace waves force your team to split up
tall torrent
it's not nonexistent
snow tundra
i love see this builds and drips, you people are pretty awesome
hybrid plover
Scum is gonna rely on immunity instead of toughness regen it seems
Enhanced dodges? Melee immunity while sliding? Stamina on dodge?
This class has my name all over it.
faint beacon
Casually ignoring the Keystone locked "Immune to everything for playing the game" node
hybrid plover
It looks so god damn fun.
fair shale
Enhanced dodges? Melee immunity while sliding? Stamina on dodge?
Dual wielding? Kill them before they kill you mentality? Ultra violence?
faint beacon
Vulture's Dodge
fair shale
This class has my name all over it
faint beacon
Idk how that got past testing
hybrid plover
Vulture's Dodge
I'm not going vulture tbh
faint beacon
its literally EE but better
torn depot
Trying out Hellbore again
hybrid plover
I acknowledge it is Hella strong
torn depot
This is such a slow gun
hybrid plover
But the other keystones fit me better.
faint beacon
I see myself mainly investing into either Gunslinger or Chemist based builds cause like
if I want my squishy but fun melee Hybrid
I play Vet
sly orchid
if I want my squishy but fun melee Hybrid
ruffian chemist
tall torrent
Idk how that got past testing
the immunity cheese is crazy
surreal rune
i love vt2's gameplay but man you really feel just how shit the crafting system and matchmaking is
hybrid plover
I saw the prospect of an Angry Chemist with rampage and the right bottom talents
tall torrent
if I want my squishy but fun melee Hybrid
rampage is +50% cleave and +75% str
hybrid plover
And I was SOLD
surreal rune
the matchmaking has gotten even worse because the servers cant handle the influx of new players
faint beacon
rampage is +50% cleave and +75% str
VOC with two pushes also but no Golden obviously
if you take that node
so it gives you breathing room when you're in exhaustion
tall torrent
VOC with two pushes also but no Golden obviously
gold tgh is strong but rampage is way more dmg
I think u can get an avg melee to hit power sword lvl dps with it
hybrid plover
I thought of the synergy
tall torrent
+75%str is no joke
also
for stim
cd rate stim is by far the strongest
not even close
faint beacon
I was more interested in Chemist tree
hybrid plover
Of flesh tearer knife, rampage, with the nodes that make toxins afflicted enemies take more damage and also the node that makes enemies take 1 dot of toxin per melee hit
faint beacon
just cause Chem Toxin as a DOT is pretty fucking potent
hybrid plover
That's gonna be absolutely dumb
tall torrent
I was more interested in Chemist tree
this mine rn
hybrid plover
DoT abuse is about to get so much worse.
hybrid plover
this mine rn
Okay why do we like, think on the same wavelength with these things
faint beacon
DoT abuse is about to get so much worse.
Dog Im going to run Bonesaw
LMAO
I could run taxe with the Crit = Chem Toxin
hybrid plover
This is nearly what I made when I was first doing this on gameslantern
tall torrent
Okay why do we like, think on the same wavelength with these things
it's a fairly straightforward tree
like vet
tall torrent
sample collector is kinda non-negotiable mandatory pick
faint beacon
This is a general rough draft of my Chemist Build
Im going to be doing a shit ton of experimenting
torn depot
Man, my Hellbore stinks
tall torrent
This is a general rough draft of my Chemist Build
I think u can drop 2 talents between aura and ability
and get the 4 stack for keystone
torn depot
12% stopping power is painful
tall torrent
or get hypercrit on left
faint beacon
My ass forgot about Hypercrit
tall torrent
My ass forgot about Hypercrit
I think the trap for stim crate is good
orchid hemlock
My ass forgot about Hypercrit
take booby trap
the crate is useless when your stim is on cooldown
sly orchid
this might be the play for me
orchid hemlock
this might be the play for me
why didn't u take sample collector?
torn depot
Man, can't use Hellbore when my teammates cant CC well
I aim better with the infantry lasgun
crimson marsh
Can someone recommend a melee weapon for me? I love allrounders that can handle both armor and hordes. Duelling sword has felt mediocre on hordes, but awesome mobility. Power sword has been nice, but clunkier combo and it's slow as molasses.
fair shale
Try Rashad Combat Axe tbh
surreal rune
Can someone recommend a melee weapon for me? I love allrounders that can handle ...
on all classes or just vet
lucid heart
Can someone recommend a melee weapon for me? I love allrounders that can handle ...
shovel with uncanny strike and decimator*
melts everything and is a nice break from ds
bonk
orchid hemlock
Can someone recommend a melee weapon for me? I love allrounders that can handle ...
PS is by far Vet's best melee atm
fair shale
They don't like PS
orchid hemlock
they also wanted an "all rounder" and tbh the only melee weapon that I cna think of that destroys everything in the game is PS
lucid heart
it also lowkey got a fat nerf after the crusher changes
surreal rune
ps is doing just fine after the crusher changes
lucid heart
shovel, ds, knife, combat axe, chainaxe are all good all rounders
fair shale
Highkey it still 2 shots them ime
orchid hemlock
it also lowkey got a fat nerf after the crusher changes
2 shots them,
surreal rune
even better because it can still 2 shot crushers whilst also crushers spawn less some
lucid heart
nice
vestal olive
Shovel because it bonks
fair shale
Push attack into strikedown headshots iirc
vestal olive
Bonk
lucid heart
Push attack into strikedown headshots iirc
yea thats the og combo
tame lodge
i thought it was like 3 shot which means you have to recharge
3 shot would still be charged
lucid heart
i just didnt think it did it anymore because it was still a crazy tight breakpoint
thats my b
orchid hemlock
shovel, ds, knife, combat axe, chainaxe are all good all rounders
knife and DS have poor wave clear, especially in havoc
Combat Axe is good but it ussually leans better into WS builds
Tac Axe is probably Vet's best low investment melee atm
austere mica
Caxe is boring as hell
lucid heart
yea i dont think theyre playing havoc tho if theyre asking for weapon suggestions
austere mica
Its like DS if it could cleave and had worse mobility
lucid heart
pretty much everything works below havoc
orchid hemlock
CA is kinda useless in general when you realize that push knife does everything it can do but better
austere mica
Light spam everything that isn't an armored elite
orchid hemlock
CA is an "anti armor" weapon but worse
provides no wave clear either, so you literally are Rock Leeing with it on
vestal olive
I learned the game (to not be booty) on combat axe and it was good for that
orchid hemlock
I learned the game (to not be booty) on combat axe and it was good for that
im talking about Chain Axe'
vestal olive
Oh
orchid hemlock
Rashad is extremly good on Vet there is no problems there
vestal olive
Chain charged attacks should be a lot more destructive imo, even if that would need longer charge times
tall torrent
it also lowkey got a fat nerf after the crusher changes
no?
tall torrent
i thought it was like 3 shot which means you have to recharge
it's 3 hit if no crit and not having agile engagement
but first 2 hits leave them on like 300hp
and u get 3 energized atks
tawdry swan
PS is by far Vet's best melee atm
Which power sword?
tall torrent
Which power sword?
VI
orchid hemlock
the reason I said PS is that it has the best wave clear, the best mixed horde damage, the best boss damage, the best Cara damage, it CC ragers, it one shots mutants
orchid hemlock
revolver never really changed, it's just that havoc removes a lot of breakpoints so it's usage has dropped a lot 😔
revolver still is one of vet's best below havoc tho
tall torrent
revolver still really good?
yes
tall torrent
is there a resource for what blessings and perks to use on weapons?
which weapons
I'll just tell u
orchid hemlock
tawdry swan
oh is the lasgun good again? the one that is basically an infinite red laser
last time i played it got nerfed pretty bad i think
tall torrent
PS and revolver
tawdry swan
ty to both of you
surreal rune
oh is the lasgun good again? the one that is basically an infinite red laser
la...
its okay but really needs the damage buffs from marksman's focus and executioner stance
iirc
has shocktrooper so infinite or nearly infinite ammo
it can perform decently
i think tanner lindberg had a build with it?
orchid hemlock
you dont need MF on it: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
MF is by far the worst keystone for Recon
tawdry swan
if i take power cycler 4 off the mk3 i have, can i use it on the PS VI? or no
tawdry swan
Oh it's off the levels right
orchid hemlock
https://youtu.be/YmsR9CZEae4?si=maPvD-ol2oAzkI1v
this guy is banned on this discord btw, so word of advice, let sleeping dogs lie 😬
surreal rune
this guy is banned on this discord btw, so word of advice, let sleeping dogs lie...
yeah but this is just a basic build
what did he even do
orchid hemlock
if i take power cycler 4 off the mk3 i have, can i use it on the PS VI? or no
you just change the mark in the weapon menu
tawdry swan
you just change the mark in the weapon menu
omg
orchid hemlock
what did he even do
what didn't he do 🚬
no I'm not joking I can write paragraphs
ironically, it wasn't what got him banned that was bad
it's what he did after that was significantly worse
orchid hemlock
also, the blessings are the same regardless of the mark for PS
tall torrent
oh is the lasgun good again? the one that is basically an infinite red laser
la...
recon is simple & easy to play
prob easiest strong ranged weapon
silver patrol
plasma is easy to play too
surreal rune
what didn't he do 🚬
no I'm not joking I can write paragraphs
ironically, it ...
i got the impression he had okay game knowledge but too much shouting
also edgy internet jokes
austere mica
He, among other things, very casually advocated for harassing the CM
tawdry swan
I always just liked deleting everything with revolver
orchid hemlock
also edgy internet jokes
let's just say he is definitely a 4channer
tawdry swan
But I just played damnation I didn't go higher
tawdry swan
let's just say he is definitely a 4channer
Shocking
orchid hemlock
Shocking
this community is surprisingly decent, given the fact it is based around warhammer
I'm actually surprised the game doesn't have more players like Tanner
austere mica
It does, they just don't have a platform
lucid heart
he seems to have mellowed out from the last video i saw from him
austere mica
I still wouldn't trust him
austere mica
He has a repeated pattern of this kind of behavior across multiple games
orchid hemlock
he seems to have mellowed out from the last video i saw from him
what he did is inexcusable, regardless of his temperament
the problem is he is emotionally immature and can't take accountability for his own actions to save his life
austere mica
trust him with what lol
Info accuracy
lucid heart
what he did is inexcusable, regardless of his temperament
the problem is he is...
cant say i know about what he did i guess
fair shale
I blame Tanner for all the dogshit Plas/DS vets with VoC in havoc
lucid heart
i just thought ppl hated him cus he was toxic and loud
orchid hemlock
cant say i know about what he did i guess
I can trust him again when he apologizes, not a second before
orchid hemlock
i just thought ppl hated him cus he was toxic and loud
i feel like that is a pretty legitimate reason to dislike him 💀
orchid hemlock
i'm going to assume this is about tanner
wow how did you know??? 🤯
lucid heart
i mean sure dislike him, but to actively sway people against him is a bit different
tall torrent
he seems to have mellowed out from the last video i saw from him
not a chance lol
orchid hemlock
i mean sure dislike him, but to actively sway people against him is a bit differ...
after using his fan base to witch hunt the fucking CM of Fatshark, yes I am going to warn people about him 💀
hollow ibex
wow how did you know??? 🤯
sly orchid
cant say i know about what he did i guess
Tldr had a meltdown over being banned in this server for being toxic then indirectly asked his fanbase to harass a CM for darktide
lucid heart
gotcha
sly orchid
This also caused him to be blacklisted by fatshark
surreal rune
id hope he has less of a pissbaby temperament now
tall torrent
id hope he has less of a pissbaby temperament now
not a chance
lucid heart
i mean, i watched his arbites video recently, he seems a lot more chill
sly orchid
Hes trying but has slip ups
orchid hemlock
he also said in a public community post that: "Juneteenth is a fake holiday"
surreal rune
thats only really going to change if he has the personal integrity and humility to admit he was an asshat
tall torrent
i mean, i watched his arbites video recently, he seems a lot more chill
he tried that twice before and somehow went back to being an aggressive hypocrite a 3rd time
surreal rune
but that rarely ever happens
tall torrent
he has no integrity
tawdry swan
this community is surprisingly decent, given the fact it is based around warhamm...
Oh yeah that's true, it's just that when I hear someone was banned from a 40k community and then someone else asks what that person did
I'm just like... I can probably guess lmfao
tall torrent
too much ego for his own skill to back up
orchid hemlock
let me see if I can find it, I should still have the screenshot
not what I was mentioning but wtf 💀
distant plaza
wtf
orchid hemlock
surreal rune
oh ew
fresh spire
any reason why people use mk1 shovel instead of others in havoc? It has worse ttk into crushers than the ones with fold attack
lucid heart
any reason why people use mk1 shovel instead of others in havoc? It has worse tt...
the fold is kinda slow
hollow ibex
any reason why people use mk1 shovel instead of others in havoc? It has worse tt...
much better horde clear, still ok against carapace
fresh spire
hmm
hollow ibex
very good utility on special
tall torrent
any reason why people use mk1 shovel instead of others in havoc? It has worse tt...
special does stagger
orchid hemlock
this is actually pretty entertaining 🍿
hollow ibex
hank got ogryn nerfed? sounds based
orchid hemlock
hollow ibex
also tanner using Baldwin IV in his post
get his name out of your whore mouth
fucker
smh
lmao at the critic vs. the audience ratings
orchid hemlock
lmao at the critic vs. the audience ratings
not gonna lie, I think war movies are boring af
hollow ibex
KOH isn't much of a war movie tbh
orchid hemlock
i couldn't find the juneteenth post so I am assuming it was deleted
ancient wolf
Speaking of shovel and i might be dumb but, what is the difference between the two impact blessings? One says 20% impact on repeated hits for 2 seconds stacks to 5
Other says 25% impact on hit for 3.5 second stacks to 5…
Why would i NOT take the latter? Am i misinterpreting something?
tall torrent
Speaking of shovel and i might be dumb but, what is the difference between the t...
don't take either
orchid hemlock
the real question is why are you taking impact at all
ancient wolf
Because i thought it improved damage/stun chance?
hollow ibex
yeah impact just causes stagger
and the main thing is that shovel has insanely powerful damage blessings
ancient wolf
Oh neat, then i’ll swirch it to cleave and Uncanny strikes
orchid hemlock
please dont take cleave either
hollow ibex
for mk3/7 you take uncanny + deci
ancient wolf
I clearly have a lot to learn 
orchid hemlock
i prefer decimator just because skull is soo useless on bosses 😔
orchid hemlock
yeah i prefer deci now too, even if it's fucking painful tbh
just dont miss 🧠
hollow ibex
ASS is worth it 
best title in the game
true survivor? poxbreaker? can't top dis ASS
tawdry swan
What resource should I use for talent builds?
hollow ibex
best bet is to ask here
gameslantern public builds are usually shit
most youtubers are shit and just out to make a quick buck
all the nerds / number crunchers are here
tawdry swan
On veteran I kinda just like to have at least 2 builds to swap between, one more with shredder grenades and executioners stance, and the other with krak grenades and voice of command
all my talents have been reset and id rather copy good builds and maybe tweak than spend time figuring it all out so if anyone has some builds to share with me id appreciate it
I'm just gonna be using PS and revolver, maybe play arond with plasma and recon lasgun later
tawdry swan
thanks!
orchid hemlock
dam the worst take, I couldn't even see this coming 😔
tawdry swan
you can take any of the blitzes/ults you want
What ult modifiers are worthwhile?
mystic lodge
Is it just me or does The Anarchist Hivescum just sound like...le joker?
mystic lodge
dam the worst take, I couldn't even see this coming 😔
tragic take
hollow ibex
What ult modifiers are worthwhile?
these are the bad ones, everything else is up to preference
well you absolutely want duty and honor
if you take VOC
the rest is preference
tawdry swan
What do you think is the best place to put the 1 pt i have left afterward?
are any of the keystone modifiers good?
hollow ibex
depends on the weapons you're running 🤔
hollow ibex
gotcha yeah you can move stuff around if needed, but it's a good starting point
tall torrent
What do you think is the best place to put the 1 pt i have left afterward?
wats ur full tree
tawdry swan
I just copied this but i forgot to fill in a point
steel veldt
hollow ibex
VOC is easier
it's a get out of jail free card basically
with ES you have much more sustain, can cover your team, and do more damage
but you can't just press F to bail your ass out of a really bad place
tall torrent
tawdry swan
ngl PS VI just makes me feel so weak against hordes I kinda just die to them when the randos i queue up with dont work as a team, the mk3 makes me feel a bit safer
do you guys just spam lights against hordes with VI?
tall torrent
ngl PS VI just makes me feel so weak against hordes I kinda just die to them whe...
what atks are u using
surreal rune
the usual combos for the mk6 ps is block empower -> light, light, light
surreal rune
or push (but not push attack) -> light, heavy, light
single target is push attack, light
dapper coyote
<:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Ayy WS Rebolbers
surreal rune
the usual combos for the mk6 ps is block empower -> light, light, light
the block cancel empower is needed because otherwise the power sword will continue into its light chain
dapper coyote
So fucking based
surreal rune
and thus you would either need a heavy to keep doing horde clear or do a strikedown which isnt good for hordes
mossy oasis
have people experimented with infiltrator grenade vet before?? I swear this shit is insane
like, since the big vet... well, nerfs cuz shout is no longer the best ability in the game, it feels like people still are not exploring infiltrate. Now ES is goated, sure but what about infiltrate? Its 30% dmg and invincibility... that first part is PARTICULARLY good for grenades...
tall torrent
have people experimented with infiltrator grenade vet before?? I swear this shit...
it's ok
tall torrent
like, since the big vet... well, nerfs cuz shout is no longer the best ability i...
it's not invincibility
mossy oasis
it's ok
idk about ok. I think i would take infiltrate over shout for a grenade focused build any day now.
tall torrent
idk about ok. I think i would take infiltrate over shout for a grenade focused b...
problem is uptime
mossy oasis
what better way to support the team than to remove every enemy from the map periodically
mossy oasis
problem is uptime
tbh, just run 2 charges, its not as bad as people think. I think...
one lets you go in aggressively, the second is a safety net in case you need it.
makes it veeery hard to die.
tall torrent
tbh, just run 2 charges, its not as bad as people think. I think...
60s CD ult on the worst CD regen class in the game kinda isn't great
mossy oasis
you want to pop infiltrate almost exclusively when you throw grenades anyway
or to do objective or to survive. You can make all those three line up if you try, i dont really feel i ever "need" more infiltrates when playing with two charges... if played relatively smart.
random steppe
I use infiltrate just to either revive someone, a crucial obj, or get outta a bad spot
dapper coyote
I use infiltrate just to either revive someone, a crucial obj, or get outta a ba...
Same
random steppe
been using it to get that penance where you gotta suppress 750 enemies w it, working on my Vet penances
dapper coyote
For me its a "gtfo" free card
random steppe
yepperoni
random steppe
every single time
dapper coyote
I also discovered that im immune to netting and dogs while i pop invisible
random steppe
Helped a lot when i was helping a rando w their sub 20 minute, 1 wound run on zealot
dapper coyote
So when im surrounded and see several trappers and my revolver doesn't have enemies i just pop and book it
random steppe
facts lmao
hasty grove
What is the quintessential guardsman loadout?
dapper coyote
What is the quintessential guardsman loadout?
Ilas + Knoif/Cswords/Shovels?
Tho ilas needs help
leaden condor
Knife or shovel
hollow ibex
hollow ibex
have people experimented with infiltrator grenade vet before?? I swear this shit...
made this build 2 months ago
when vet got its rework
and stealth bomber became a thing
fresh spire
Any havoc modifiers where shredders outperform kraks? I feel like krak have become the dominant pick.
And even if shredders are better I might just take smokes so psyker can vent lol
mossy oasis
made this build 2 months ago
I agree with everything in the talent tree except the toughness and movement speed node you picked up for no reason. Instead of those 2 you reeeeally need out for blood so frags replenish all your toughness and the second charge of infiltrate so you can play aggressive while still having a get out of jail card.
Also weapons here seem really random.
I think shock maul has best stagger synergy and you almost need a bolt pistol. Use the exploding one. That opens up so many synergies with stagger and explosions
hollow ibex
I agree with everything in the talent tree except the toughness and movement spe...
nah.
mossy oasis
And of course 25% explosion radius... and still hits like a truck while letting you crit and snipe
hollow ibex
i picked move speed because vet is slow as fuck base
don't need o4b
because i don't have toughness issues
the weapons i picked are literally metaslave options
but ok
bistol's fine, but this isn't a grenademaxxing build
mossy oasis
i picked move speed because vet is slow as fuck base
So you would rather have an almost unnoticeable 5% movement speed bonus over replenishing 5% MORE toughness on ANY kill? You know that counts for grenades, right?
hollow ibex
because i want to actually have fun with my other weapons
hollow ibex
So you would rather have an almost unnoticeable 5% movement speed bonus over rep...
yes and yes
any other questions?
and 10% move speed is quite noticeable btw
this is a cqc build
mossy oasis
You know what else is noticeable?
hollow ibex
speed to close the distance is very powerful
mossy oasis
Not dying lol
mossy oasis
speed to close the distance is very powerful
Close the distance to what? You are vet. . And that node gives only 5% ms. .
hollow ibex
Close the distance to what? You are vet. . And that node gives only 5% ms. .
5 + 5 = 10 last time i checked
and wdym
vet is a hybrid class
mossy oasis
Picking 5% movespeed over literally anything else there... i mean This is like going into an Italian restaurant and ordering a burger.
hollow ibex
you can and absolutely should melee on most builds
orchid hemlock
what is going on here?
hollow ibex
guy is questioning my stealth bomber build
mossy oasis
Idk guy is arguing that 5% movespeed node is better than out for blood
hollow ibex
where do i say that?
bro literally twisting my words because he can't cope with my preferences 
dapper coyote
Lmao
mossy oasis
Haven't heard that before. I would get it if he argued that picking some other node that gives damage or synergy is better but, this is a bit strange.
orchid hemlock
i might switch some of the bare nodes around, because I unironically think shredder nades are goated with rending strikes
slow sky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sda38Gh0tq8&t=828s
u watch this then ask urself ...
Ignore the fact that I accidentally used the vraks for this and not the agrip
orchid hemlock
but it looks fine to me, what's the problem?
slow sky
hollow ibex
Haven't heard that before. I would get it if he argued that picking some other n...
o4b is very strong, yes. you absolutely can take it instead of move speed.
slow sky
Oops!
mossy oasis
bro literally twisting my words because he can't cope with my preferences <:KEKW...
So in a reply above you said you prefer 5% movespeed over the 5% toughness on kill perk
dapper coyote
I don't use surgical + handcannon on my revolvers doesn't mean it's fucking horrible
hollow ibex
So in a reply above you said you prefer 5% movespeed over the 5% toughness on ki...
yeah that's right
mossy oasis
yes and yes
Here
dapper coyote
Preference doesn't always mean its busted
hollow ibex
if you don't need toughness
get hit less, position better, move better
then you can get away with fewer toughness nodes
coincidentially, having better move speed might just help with that
orchid hemlock
So in a reply above you said you prefer 5% movespeed over the 5% toughness on ki...
the 5% on kill isn't absolutely needed when you already have confirmed kill
even if you do take it, it doesn't solve Vet's toughness regen problems
hollow ibex
that being said, i completely agree o4b is a very good talent, esp with frags
and if you want to take it, i think it's a perfectly valid pick
mossy oasis
There is just no world im taking 5% movespeed over turning into every grenade into a full toughness replenish sorry. Not attacking you. Just... I really don't get it.
hollow ibex
the 5% on kill isn't absolutely needed when you already have confirmed kill
eve...
yeah CK is pretty damn good now
it's often the only toughness talent i take
fair shale
Tbh my favorite toughness talent is still ET
hollow ibex
Tbh my favorite toughness talent is still ET
hollow ibex
There is just no world im taking 5% movespeed over turning into every grenade in...
that's fine. i just happen to really like moving fast
fair shale
It works on every enemy, it's immediate and then some
hollow ibex
vet feels sooo much smoother with 10% move speed
orchid hemlock
Maxx: o4B
Sirosku: 5% MS
Me: Rending Strikes
hollow ibex
i do take ET on some builds
short agate
invisible vet makes about as much sense to me as eldar war plans spewed from a farseer... I need to do more experimenting
hollow ibex
but it's a lower priority for me because i can't hit weakspots
mossy oasis
the 5% on kill isn't absolutely needed when you already have confirmed kill
eve...
That's why I would only take out for blood and spare an extra point there. So many more exciting and busted options to take for a stealth vet bomber build than plus 25 toughness and movespeed.
dapper coyote
invisible vet makes about as much sense to me as eldar war plans spewed from a f...
You can res people while being invisible btw
short agate
Thats fire
dapper coyote
Which can be a clutch tool
dapper coyote
And you get noclipping from enemies
orchid hemlock
That's why I would only take out for blood and spare an extra point there. So m...
25 toughness is probably better than every single talent node that has been mentioned
dapper coyote
So you can just book it through the crowd and regroup with the team
hollow ibex
25 toughness is goated but i can usually only afford 1
path really values taking both
fair shale
Vet tree still feels like a god awful amount of tax sometimes
hollow ibex
Vet tree still feels like a god awful amount of tax sometimes
surely vet will have its rework finished early next year...
surely
(because it sure as hell isn't coming this patch)
mossy oasis
To the 25 toughness node I would use sirosky's "don't get hit" argument and also "use curios" it's not about how big your toughness is. It's how fast you can replenish it. Works similar in sex too
dapper coyote
To the 25 toughness node I would use sirosky's "don't get hit" argument and also...
Sex
Screenshotted
short agate
bro the connection lmfao
dapper coyote
You need toughness in sex my guys
short agate
been enjoying lasgunners the most I think to make this more on task again
orchid hemlock
To the 25 toughness node I would use sirosky's "don't get hit" argument and also...
wait what sex have to do with this
dapper coyote
orchid hemlock
im confused
frigid rover
vet class removal soon
short agate
life is like large ogryn of dice, you never know what he smashes
frigid rover
do you guys not have the Hive Scum™ dlc? 
dapper coyote
do you guys not have the Hive Scum™ dlc? <:sus_cotton:1174985007354355802>
2nd dec
hollow ibex
vet class removal soon
more like zealot tbh lol
mossy oasis
I refuse to elaborate. Read the message again and see that im right
short agate
nah vet is amazing, he will run the mourningstar soon
frigid rover
his natural charisma
orchid hemlock
To the 25 toughness node I would use sirosky's "don't get hit" argument and also...
when did Sir say "dont get hit"?
mossy oasis
get hit less, position better, move better
Here
short agate
That new trench level. Were gonna shine in that.
hollow ibex
i don't see anything wrong with that statement
orchid hemlock
Here
get hit less is not "dont get hit"
if anything, taking more toughness means you replnish more because it is based on your percentage max toughness
tall torrent
Ignore the fact that I accidentally used the vraks for this and not the agrip
are there any balance changes next tuesday
outside of new map & hvs
mossy oasis
Yeah me neither granted it's in the favor of the argument that you should take toughness replenishing perks instead of toughness increasing perks after a certain threshold
orchid hemlock
they are saying that more MS means you get hit less
mossy oasis
they are saying that more MS means you get hit less
He is saying that his philosophy is that move speed is good because it makes you lose less toughness if you don't get hit. Correct me if im wrong again.
orchid hemlock
Yeah me neither granted it's in the favor of the argument that you should take t...
why?
the more toughness you have, the more buffer you have with iron will
hollow ibex
not sure what you guys are arguing about at this point tbh 😄
mossy oasis
5% toughness replenishment from any kill is like, one of the best perks vet has guys what are we even talking about at this point? Like, taking 5% movespeed or a toughness node over that is simply not correct in the case of grenade vet.
orchid hemlock
not sure what you guys are arguing about at this point tbh 😄
i dont get the whole obsession over toughness replenishment
and I was all over that shit when arbi came out
mossy oasis
i dont get the whole obsession over toughness replenishment
and I was all over ...
I mean replenishing your toughness. Literally. Not the stat.
hollow ibex
5% toughness replenishment from any kill is like, one of the best perks vet has ...
eh?
what's correct will vary by player to player
dapper coyote
It's really up to preferences
hollow ibex
like i said, if you need more toughness regen, take o4b
i don't
i mean there's obviously bad builds and bad talents, but i don't think this is so cut and dry
mossy oasis
Perks that give you back toughness are generally better than perks that increase your toughness pool. You can have 500 toughness if you regenerate 25 toughness a second from abilities and murder. That's worse than having 200 toughness and regenerating 50 a second.
orchid hemlock
none the talents even being talked about except maybe the 25 toughness really change anything about the build if you switched them around
hollow ibex
if i was sweating in a havoc game i'd drop both move speed nodes, but i don't need to do that for auric
dapper coyote
500 toughness? On veteran? Sounds like a loner psyker dream
rotund tartan
hive scum needs at least 50 more base toughness to be auric viable imo
orchid hemlock
if you didn't take confirmed kill, then o4b would have much higher prio
hollow ibex
hive scum needs at least 50 more base toughness to be auric viable imo
it only has 25 less base toughness than vet
fresh spire
any reason to not take grenadier (20% extra grenade) in havoc? seems pretty essential to farm more rotten armor kills
mossy oasis
none the talents even being talked about except maybe the 25 toughness really ch...
Crazy to say out for blood is less impactful than 5 movespeed or 25 toughness
dapper coyote
The next thing you'll that the grey knights are real!
hollow ibex
i mean 25 is a lot tbf, but HIV does get a shit ton of dodge/invulnerability talents lol
slow sky
are there any balance changes next tuesday
Mk3 shovel got very tiny changes for like 2 attacks
Thats it for weapon changes
Arbites nade regen is now split on to 90s for shock mine and 45s for impact nade
Vet voc is now 45s and the revive node has both penalties removed (this change was in the patch notes, but not in the build we have, so I have absolutely no idea if this will launch at the same time, come soon after, or if it was scrapped and not taken out of the notes, like the impact nade says 60s in the notes but is 45s in game so idk dude)
And thats it for class changes
hollow ibex
vet voc at 45 would be 💀
i don't even play voc
but a 50% nerf to cd? how fucking stupid would FS have to be
orchid hemlock
Crazy to say out for blood is less impactful than 5 movespeed or 25 toughness
I have not used o4b since the vet rework so idk what to say 🤷🏻♂️
hollow ibex
using a tank to put a nail in
austere mica
They could also remove golden
frigid rover
but a 50% nerf to cd? how fucking stupid would FS have to be
have a little faith in their incompetence
orchid hemlock
people chose o4b on wave clearing melee, and CK for the single target melees due to the pathing
hollow ibex
CK's pretty much always up in HITSG anyway
slow sky
but a 50% nerf to cd? how fucking stupid would FS have to be
Anything to avoid nerfing gold toughness I guess
hollow ibex
don't need o4b when you have a steady stream of toughness just coming in
mossy oasis
Mk3 shovel got very tiny changes for like 2 attacks
Thats it for weapon changes...
Hold on, so lone wolf arbites will now regenerate shock mines at 90s?
hollow ibex
Anything to avoid nerfing gold toughness I guess
i kinda want to see it happen
tall torrent
Mk3 shovel got very tiny changes for like 2 attacks
Thats it for weapon changes...
cool
many thanks
slow sky
Thats what I proposed from the get go, and that was the generous option
tall torrent
vet voc at 45 would be 💀
I think it's alr tbh
orchid hemlock
Vet VOC isn't going to matter because of scum CDR maxxing 😈
slow sky
I proposed 120/90 and 90/60 for shock/impact respectively when initially pitching lone wolf regen
hollow ibex
I originally proposed 40s for VoC as well
that sounds more reasonable
but 45 puts it on infil levels
tall torrent
that sounds more reasonable
it's not a big deal
slow sky
But for some fucking reason
Impact is now at 45s cuz why not
It totally needs that and isnt already strong enough as it is
hollow ibex
45s is more reasonable if they're to tweak tac awareness later
lol the if is a doing a LOT of work here
austere mica
DR
hollow ibex
20 might be a bit low
but tbh i wouldn't mind 30 and gutting gold
if duty and honor gets something for it
slow sky
what would duty and honor do?
Tdr? Maybe a bit of toughness regen on top? Or toughness replenishment to keep you and your team topped off
mossy oasis
@slow sky and you saying that shout reviving teammates no longer comes with the cdr nerf?? That makes it kinda good no?
tall torrent
I think 25% TDR and +25% TGH gain modifier would be nice for it
if gold tgh is going away
tall torrent
<@142046391504601088> and you saying that shout reviving teammates no longer com...
nah, not worth the 1 point still
slow sky
<@142046391504601088> and you saying that shout reviving teammates no longer com...
Functionally it'll be the same cd as before cuz it was 45s with its extended cooldown
But the radius isnt nerfed anymore
tall torrent
it's a hard ask for a niche application
I sent arthiio 3 high priority suggestions to vet tree, hopefully they make it happen next year
mossy oasis
If there is no radius downside, I see it ressing two downed teammates way more common... which makes it kinda good I think
slow sky
If there is no radius downside, I see it ressing two downed teammates way more c...
Yeah it'll get picked more
mossy oasis
Might be worth picking up for 1 point now.
slow sky
You'd be spending 1 point from elsewhere tho in builds so it'll shake things up
However like I said
mossy oasis
Imagine how I could instead invest in 5% MOVE SPEED BABYYY
slow sky
These arent in the media build, only in the patch notes we were given
slow sky
So I cant verify if we're even getting it anytime soon
faint beacon
might actually see me pick up Revive shout if thats true
though prepare for a wave of Veteran complaints
pseudo fiber
though prepare for a wave of Veteran complaints
"Fatshark nerfed the weakest class to make you buy the new class"
faint beacon
"Fatshark nerfed the weakest class to make you buy the new class"
I don't mind the VOC nerf though I DO think the Tac Awareness could use a small tweak to at least include elites cause its arguably the worst CDR in the game atm
From best to worst
the mighty have fallen
pseudo fiber
I was shocked it took so long for them to shoot it lol
faint beacon
I was shocked it took so long for them to shoot it lol
It was needed but I think it was overkill at this point when you look at fucking Psyker
holy shit
LMAO
pseudo fiber
Comparing anything to psyker doesn't count
faint beacon
Shit what was Ogryns
Zealot naturally has insane CDR options
Shit looking at Tac vs Bruiser its literally just inverses of eachother
pseudo fiber
Zealot is basically "I want to use my ability now" and then it's off cooldown because they said so
somber quiver
Zealot naturally has insane CDR options
what's CDR
faint beacon
Cooldown Reduction
somber quiver
Cooldown Reduction
where can I find acronyms? darktide wiki?
atomic void
ngl the nerfs they do are always funny
idk why
it doesnt solve anything
oh no the cooldown is 45 seconds and the vet killed 10 specials in 5 seconds so now its back
faint beacon
thinking about it shocked its only Specials killed by the Vet and not an actual true inverse of Bruiser where it can be from simply being near teammates that kill Specials
hollow ibex
where can I find acronyms? darktide wiki?
there's some in the psyker class pins... rest is just from chatting here lol
mellow dust
Anyone know any good builds that makes use of the infantry lasgun and executioner's Stance? Cant really find any good ones on the build website
narrow widget
Mk3 shovel got very tiny changes for like 2 attacks
Thats it for weapon changes...
vet nerf incoming?!!!?!! holy based!!?!!?!?
jaunty sphinx
Are we getting nerfed
Thank god
Can they hit psyker with the bat now
Wait 45 seconds I'm gonna kms
Hit plasma instead
Ah well I'll get used to it
hybrid flame
somber quiver
there's some in the psyker class pins... rest is just from chatting here lol
obliged, thank you.
fresh spire
thoughts on Ghost for IAG? I'm not getting any value from 100% crit weakspot dmg except against scab gunners so i might as well take it
also don't have to play toughness dance against gunner spam
tall torrent
oh no the cooldown is 45 seconds and the vet killed 10 specials in 5 seconds so ...
this means only up to 2 procs of tac awareness
which is at most 6s shaved
vet has the worst cd regen of all classes
tall torrent
thoughts on Ghost for IAG? I'm not getting any value from 100% crit weakspot dmg...
IAG doesn't have ghost
fresh spire
IAG doesn't have ghost
I’ve been using it for a month tf you mean it doesn’t have ghost
tall torrent
I’ve been using it for a month tf you mean it doesn’t have ghost
Infantry autogun doesn’t have ghost
tall torrent
Deadly accurate good
Ghost also good
Pick what u prefer more
Headhunter is locked in basically cuz it’s the only crit blessing it has
fresh spire
does 25% frag dmg affect bleed
calm shard
no
gilded wraith
Niche for shredders. Pairs well with Lethal Proximity for huge radius.
fresh spire
but im runnin db for the bleed stonks
gilded wraith
I like kraks for db, but could just be me.
limber karma
hi, noob question, how am I supposed to use smoke grenades, do I throw them at the enemy to screen range damage or am I supposed to throw it on my teammates
austere mica
Drop on you
Or where you want to go
And its not really a noob question, barely anyone knows how smokes actually work
dapper coyote
hi, noob question, how am I supposed to use smoke grenades, do I throw them at t...
Drop on
-yourself,
-direction of the enemies,
-on the enemies (tho not recommended as the range will disperse)
limber karma
it does impede vision of my teammates though, wasn't sure if that was how I was supposed to use it
dapper coyote
Do not throw on DHs
limber karma
thank you
dapper coyote
Throw on Captain/twins to deny their guns
austere mica
You can throw them on burgles so they vomit less
dapper coyote
That too
Don't bother with melee stuff, they still gonna find you
And if you used krak for a very long time, please remember that you are using smokes and dumping all of them in one target doesn't do shit
You will do that at some point, realising that you have dumped smokes, on a boss
tame lodge
it does impede vision of my teammates though, wasn't sure if that was how I was ...
Good
fresh spire
it does impede vision of my teammates though, wasn't sure if that was how I was ...
i don't use smokes unless im in a 4stack with people who have the mod to turn off smokes
limber karma
i don't use smokes unless im in a 4stack with people who have the mod to turn of...
there is a mod for that?
calm shard
yeah it's called clear smoke
it's like kind of a cheat mod?
but smokes already don't blind you if you're actually inside them so
fresh spire
it's like *kind of* a cheat mod?
most qol mods give you an advantage in decision making / clarity so they are by definition cheating
just allowed cheating
since all nexus mods are approved by FS
willow prairie
I wouldn't call clear smoke a cheat mod because its borderline mandatory lmao
there literally actual cheat mods on nexus though
notably psychward
or whatever the name is for the mod that literally give unconditional esp
fair shale
Psykernautics?
willow prairie
trauma outline should be in the game by default fr
actually important information that isn't in the base fucking game like ult cooldown timer
or healthbar
fair shale
Nah I don't want enemy hp bars
They are aesthetically garbage
I prefer minimal HUDs where available tho tbh
willow prairie
enemy health bar give you important information that help with decision making
tame lodge
Enemy healthbars when there's 200 enemies active at the moment give or take
Sounds like recipe for disaster
willow prairie
yeah that just normal havoc
fair shale
enemy health bar give you important information that help with decision making
Nah
I'd rather enjoy the aesthetics tbh
DT would look like shit with 497 hps bars hovering above everything infront of mes heads
fair shale
I don't
Cy i don't think you get it
I don't care what advantage it confers
I dont even use the stamina bar on my screen
willow prairie
yeah but having options is better than not having any
fair shale
I just remember I have X dodges
If i start using mods?
I like the handicap, keeps things fair.
cinder wagon
or healthbar
Why? Almost all enemies die so fast it would make no sense for healthbars to exist
And if suddenly 12 shotgunners spawn and half my screen is cluttered with healthbars I wouldn't be able to see anything
This game just isn't built for that
gentle lake
I got health bars on only for bigfuckers like crushers
cinder wagon
Ogryns are probably the one enemy type where this would make sense
narrow frost
I hit enemies till they die
fair shale
Same
narrow frost
It works
fair shale
Is simple
fair shale
Ogryns are probably the one enemy type where this would make sense
Even then ik i 3 shot Ogryn
cinder wagon
I used to play payday 2 with some modded hud back in the day and it looked like one of these memes
People made fun of me for that and honestly it was deserved lmao
cinder wagon
Even then ik i 3 shot Ogryn
If you're built for that yeah
ocean idol
First 2 mins of the video and i feel my iq dropping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oetqbzNWHA
narrow frost
Average non challenge run YouTube video for darktide
ocean idol
holy shit, video gets progressive worse
fair shale
I don't think I've ever heard a good thing about Mister E
ocean idol
his ways of testing and comparing weapons is some actual psych ward denizen behavior
ocean idol
I don't think I've ever heard a good thing about Mister E
no idea who he is, just got recommended this video
fair shale
Kinda notorious around here from what i can tell
All ik is people do not like him and he's a DT youtuber
ocean idol
is he here
ocean idol
I never wanted to punc h someone through monitor so much
and explain how weapons are designed
comparing all weapons on body shots is such insane take
ocean idol
He could test it properly if he knew how
he is just dumb, that's it
but more disturbinglyt
as far as i see, everyone in comments agrees with him
fair shale
as far as i see, everyone in comments agrees with him
Gaming YouTube is a blight ime
narrow frost
I mean what are you using yt for? Archiving?
Archiving achievements and teaching
topaz lance
I never wanted to punc h someone through monitor so much
that's a bit much isn't it?
narrow frost
Hence all of my content is challenge runs
fair shale
Archiving achievements and teaching
Fair enough, I always figured if you're uploading something to yt it's on some level for viewing
narrow frost
Idc for views
fair shale
But ainz
narrow frost
I do it cause it's funny and some people use them to learn
fair shale
You could be getting the .35 cent checks
You could start plugging vpns and shaving kits you don't use
Its almost 5am
calm shard
First 2 mins of the video and i feel my iq dropping https://www.youtube.com/watc...
My favorite part of this video is how the vigilant autoguns are deliberately excluded because they would demolish the lasguns in the tests
fair shale
I should really sleep
tall torrent
First 2 mins of the video and i feel my iq dropping https://www.youtube.com/watc...
don't watch yt for dt
almost all vids are horrible
mystic lodge
My favorite part of this video is how the vigilant autoguns are deliberately exc...
Anti-autogun agenda is real 😭
I almost never see anyone use any of the autoguns, of any type in my games
everyone is either running Bolter, plasma, or recon lasgun
silver patrol
good
silver patrol
it's another plasma W
dry cloak
autoguns need love
vigis do not. but sap brautos and iags sure
tall torrent
Just braced autogun and shredder autopistol
tall torrent
Infantry autoguns are ok where they are
mystic lodge
check this out
Yeah I saw in my testing, I thought I was tweaking at first
calm shard
the infantry autoguns have comically absurd dps
they're just unpopular because they're not very uh
cool
compared to other guns
it's just an assault rifle like is present in every other FPS game in existence
At least that'd be my first guess
dreamy lantern
the infantry autoguns have comically absurd dps
ye they've been pretty insane since P13
used to be meta, but people just forgor they are good
dreamy lantern
My favorite part of this video is how the vigilant autoguns are deliberately exc...
the IAG too 
statistically, outside of mag size i guess, the IAG are flat better than the accatran and it's not even close
dreamy lantern
First 2 mins of the video and i feel my iq dropping https://www.youtube.com/watc...
holy shit he's burst firing the IAG to make the recoil worse wtf is this video
hybrid plover
holy shit he's burst firing the IAG to make the recoil worse wtf is this video
sloptide
hot dragon
The MK1 shovel is so good damn. Can’t use anything else since I tamed this weapon
mystic lodge
holy shit he's burst firing the IAG to make the recoil worse wtf is this video
He is recoilphobic
Autogun-intolerant
dreamy lantern
tragic
dapper coyote
He is recoilphobic
Fucking cod players
Recoilphobic, imma keep that word to insult people
native ocean
lmao reminds me of that one hd2 streamer that called the adjudicator bad because he just kept holding down lmb without ever thinking to let go or pull the mouse down
dapper coyote
lmao reminds me of that one hd2 streamer that called the adjudicator bad because...
Or tarkov sweaty players trying to achieve 0 recoil gun builds
Or NEGATIVE recoil
willow prairie
yeah because who would've thought that removing recoil is insanely good
apply to any fps
also mister e video
guranteed slop
willow prairie
not even questionable its fact lol
dapper coyote
Man smoked something to say the Caxe isn't good
willow prairie
shitting out "meta" build every 2 seconds
native ocean
mister e called gunkers bad when he demonstrated using agri iag w bubble lol
worthless youtuber
dapper coyote
Its also a weird thing that he doesn't show shotguns
Like yea bullets guns, then where da shotguns?
Or revolvers
Or are you selectively nitpicking or conjuring "bad stuff" on guns only for content?
royal hollow
Ollo loves, I need me a good build for vet
I've been using DS and recon lasgun so far but it feels underwhelming
mystic lodge
Ollo loves, I need me a good build for vet
I've been using DS and recon lasgun s...
I recommend Tac axe and IAG
royal hollow
I recommend Tac axe and IAG
I really need just the skill tree and maybe blessings
N perks
mystic lodge
Oh alright, in a moment
mortal aspen
Ollo loves, I need me a good build for vet
I've been using DS and recon lasgun s...
Taxe/Caxe + DB Weapon Spec
dapper coyote
Taxe/Caxe + DB Weapon Spec
Hell yea brutha
Tho revolver is an alternative to the DB if you want some range instead
dapper coyote
Sustained fire?
umbral scaffold
is born leader worth it
dapper coyote
is born leader worth it
Nah,
umbral scaffold
oh
dapper coyote
Get the nade regen
umbral scaffold
grenade regen isnt near that
dapper coyote
The kill for nade node
Kill specialist or something for nades
Its right next, in the same tree to it if im not mistaken
umbral scaffold
man
mystic lodge
Sustained fire?
yeah, its good no?
dapper coyote
yeah, its good no?
It turns a fully auto gun into a burst fire gun mate
umbral scaffold
i was hoping to avoid demo team tbh
dapper coyote
i was hoping to avoid demo team tbh
Why tho
You're vet, your nades are some of the best
umbral scaffold
I dont like perks that have a % chance
dapper coyote
I dont like perks that have a % chance
Just pick that one man, or choose other perks
umbral scaffold
omg a 1% chance to do something? wow let me get that
dapper coyote
This % is for nade economy, more nades for you
umbral scaffold
I already have inf grenades though
dapper coyote
And you're vet, you'll murk alot of elites
dapper coyote
I already have inf grenades though
G e t more
mortal aspen
you don't have spammable infinite grenades without demo
dapper coyote
You'll dump those nades like your life depends on it
mortal aspen
1 per 60s is terrible for kraks/shredders
umbral scaffold
I only really use 2 or three nades an entire auric match
mortal aspen
what
dapper coyote
Bruh
umbral scaffold
becuase half the time I never really need to use it, theres usually a psyker thats destroying entire hordes anyways
dapper coyote
Well in that case use that point somewhere else
mystic lodge
It turns a fully auto gun into a burst fire gun mate
but it doesnt? the gun is still full auto
wait, does the damage bonus apply to the 5th shot forward?
azure narwhal
becuase half the time I never really need to use it, theres usually a psyker tha...
I mean, there are specific cases where you will feel inclined to
umbral scaffold
only when theres hordes of elites
azure narwhal
I literally take field improv + kraks alongside other nafe buffs just so i can one man the carapace hordes in rotten armour havoc
One example
mystic lodge
Deathspitter and dumdum for that one
why not Fire Frenzy?
azure narwhal
why not Fire Frenzy?
Because fire frenzy provides only damage, and deathspitter provides strength (dmg + cleave + impact)
mystic lodge
wouldnt impact be bad for IAG since it makes the enemy stagger?
azure narwhal
Wdym? Why wouldn't you want more impact
slow sky
why not Fire Frenzy?
Dumdum doesnt require kills and stacks up instantly
Deathspitter is strength so its multiplicitive with damage buffs which will take your total damage further
slow sky
Wdym? Why wouldn't you want more impact
A staggered enemy shakes around making it harder to hit the head
Its why collateral is a dump on some guns, to avoid stagger breakpoints on them as they can be detrimental to kill times
azure narwhal
Stuff usually dies too quick for that to be an issue (in this case). But i am personally running exec stance + MMF so i guess it really depends on their build too
Anyway it does not excuse dropping dum dum of course
umbral scaffold
if only I could send screenshot as proof
dapper coyote
but it doesnt? the gun is still full auto
Deathspitter is better choice
slow sky
Recons literally will cause a gunner to flail around before they die with 80% collat
umbral scaffold
but 0 death auric and I only used 4 nades the entire game
slow sky
But at 60% they don't
azure narwhal
but 0 death auric and I only used 4 nades the entire game
Well yes, auric
azure narwhal
But at 60% they don't
Yeah recon is a well known exception
slow sky
Because fire frenzy provides only damage, and deathspitter provides strength (dm...
But yeah the impact is the least important part
The cleave is nice but unlikely to do anything but pierce 1 groaner, if that
The real meat is the multiplicitive nature of strength with those respective stats
Especially damage
azure narwhal
But yeah the impact is the least important part
The cleave is nice but unlikely ...
Of course yeah, i was only mentioning them because not everyone is aware of strength
Which is literally
Copy paste vermintide power, really
slow sky
A 3 in 1 srimp special stat
lavish moon
why not Fire Frenzy?
Is smoke useful?
azure narwhal
Smoke is solid against gunners, especially useful for havoc firing lines
Though it depends on your team comp too
If i don't have a carapace killer i'm going krak everytime, personally
azure narwhal
Majority of people dont know how to use smokes
Meta build propaganda and misrepresentation of the blitz itself on platforms like youtube, most vets never saw light of anything but shredders
There are some who still argue shredders are the only way lol
slow sky
Darktide players and the inability to use things other than what the sloppiest of tubers tell them is best
azure narwhal
frank ledge
Darktide players and the inability to use things other than what the sloppiest o...
What do you mean, taxe/shovel deals damage?
I thought it was just cosmetic
frank ledge
Issue with smoke is it's performance with high ping players
Something about position not been updated in time due to packet loss
dapper coyote
Darktide players and the inability to use things other than what the sloppiest o...
DS is the best melee guys
Caxe and shovels are bad
stable socket
one havoc run with a gunner seed was enough to convince me of the usefulness of smokes
it was the map where you have to fight your way down a long staircase at the beginning
cerulean verge
do any of you guys enjoy the bolt pistol?
calm shard
no
silver patrol
not really
vestal olive
I used to when I played slower and thought it came out really fast
But now it feels slow to come out for what I'd want to use it for.
I'll take revolver instead
native ocean
Nope, I find the bolt pistol really mid on basically every class except arbites now
unreal nova
do any of you guys enjoy the bolt pistol?
I do. Mostly cos I still spam frags.
hasty grove
do any of you guys enjoy the bolt pistol?
Yes
calm shard
you know weirdly I'm thinking this weapon is like kinda okay?
freak ass build
like this is a reasonably practical melee exe build
killing a h40 crusher with dclaw in a pretty decent amount of time
thorn lark
stance vet is highest tgh gain of all classes by far
better than Scryer + quietude? I don't remember the numbers
calm shard
oh yeah by miles
nobody comes even close to exe stance vet
https://imgur.com/a/0cnpg4Q this clip is also good for showing how absurdly tanky exe stance vet is when they're killing shit
