veteran-class

[tall torrent]

U could

It’s not bad rly

Just not as general purpose as 25 toughness

[tribal pebble]

the bigger they are is more good than is counter fire?

i like counter fire for keeping ability active

it make it last for ever

[hybrid plover]

The bigger they are and counterfire are both good for uptime

Personally, I'd use TBTA for Helbore

[heavy rover]

TBTA?

oh The Bigger They Are

[tall torrent]

TBTA’s 8s duration is better most of the time

If u don’t use TBTA might as well just skip subnodes for stance

[tribal pebble]

but after 8 second can only recharge 5 with extra

can not reach 8

is make screen clutter and is confusing with counter fire

i think i will dothe bigger they are

[rich aurora]

bruh what? Go test it. That's not a thing at all lol

It goes to 8

[tribal pebble]

i test it before when i first read

[rich aurora]

Ok test it with your eyes open this time

[tribal pebble]

what is this meaning

[rich aurora]

It means use accurate measurements, not just counting in your head thinking it's correct.

Still testing. Still working at 8 seconds every time.

[tribal pebble]

maybe i click wrong talent

i will check

i was measure it by the cool down of the ability

so is accurate second

oh there was 2 box when i try before

in bottom buff thing here

there was 2 seperate buff thing with ability

it have one for first ability

[hybrid plover]

Buff bar kinda sucks sometimes

[tribal pebble]

and second for ability recharge

[rich aurora]

Show that part of your talent tree

[tribal pebble]

and recharge was fill when i kill a person

[rich aurora]

You only have the 1 talent for 8 seconds, right?

[tribal pebble]

but not start ability

but now is only one box that is fill and is start ability

i am not know why this happen

[rich aurora]

Can you show your talent tree?

[tribal pebble]

it is work now i am say what happen before when it was not working

[rich aurora]

Ah ok

my bad

[tribal pebble]

8 second is many more amount good now can reload

[rich aurora]

Ya it's really nice

[tribal pebble]

i am need for get a strong helbore lasgun

i only have bad one

is 100 power

[tall torrent]

no, refresh full 8s

[rich aurora]

Ya we got that cleared up lol

[tribal pebble]

yes i test it now

i look at skill tree i was use when am testing before

it was right

i am not know why 2 box show

[tribal pebble]

it is make executioner stance many amount more good

thank you for show me the talent treevery amount

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/812451078221463632.gif?size=64

[tall torrent]

what's your native language

[tribal pebble]

i can not allowed to say where country am from i am sorry

there is a cool shirt i am wanting

i will try for unlock it

i have never get gold shirt

[tribal pebble]

why last game survivalist was not work

i kill heavy gunner and shot gun people

and it was only trigger when i kill specialist enemy

and is not when i kill elite

even rager was not work

[hybrid plover]

It probably is but survivalist has an internal cooldown

[tribal pebble]

it was work with dog and flamer

cool down is show in bar at the bottom

it was never refresh

only when i was kill flamer and dog

and give bullet

[hybrid plover]

Because your teammates can proc it too.

[tribal pebble]

i was far away

and i was looking at cool down and ammo many time

because i realise it was not working

[sudden cedar]

@tribal pebble What is "far away" in that case?

[tribal pebble]

it was mission vi and final part when i realise

i was in complete other half of the map

all 3 were in right half and i am in left

[sudden cedar]

Which means, you are not in Coherency with the Veteran and thus Survivalist will not be active for you.

[tribal pebble]

i am the veteran

[tribal pebble]

watch me i am now have the new shirt

i am cool now

[rich aurora]

nice

[orchid hemlock]

A long time ago, Fatshark nerfed the aura because it was by far the best aura in the game for every class except Psyker

It used to give the entire team 5% of their ammo back per elite/specialist kill

Now it's only 1% and it only triggers once every 5 seconds

[tribal pebble]

wow 5% is many

[void dragon]

Drip status: Oh yea

[tribal pebble]

i am sorry i do not understnad

[rich aurora]

He said your outfit looks awesome

[tribal pebble]

OH

thank you very amount

i maybe will buy new goggle

goggles

[void dragon]

they grow in awesomeness so fast

[tribal pebble]

hooray i buy the goggles and i change shirt

this is first thing i buy

i like the goggles

it is cool

oh it makes voice change

that is cool

i will make a fun talent tree thing for revolver

i will make it reload quick and do many damage

this is funny

is reload quick

[unique orchid]

7 bullets is sickening in a 5 round cylinder

[surreal rune]

what happens in the reload animation and gun model when you must reload 7 rounds but the cylinder only
holds 5

[hollow ibex]

nothing

you'll load the last bullet in the animation and it''ll load 3 bullets

[surreal rune]

what

[hollow ibex]

the reload animation doesn't change

if you take the talent

[tribal pebble]

yes is look funny with the version that is do hammer fan when load 5 bullet with speed loader

and is 7

it funny with this as well as because bullet counter of reload is still go up if shoot 3 bullet and he put one bullet inside of the gun and is still go upone bullet at a time at same speed as put bullet in after gun is closed

[spark helm]

Video game moment.

[tribal pebble]

i think i am going to take off 7 bullet with this

there is no use with having quick reload with this version

beside from the blessing that is give more critical chance for every bullet

[tribal pebble]

watch me bullet is tick up after gun is closing

it is weird and you can not shoot as quick as when are not use the perk

you can not cancel reload after shoot over 3 bullet

if you do only will have 5 bullet as normal amount

[hollow ibex]

why would you tho

you should just take the 7 bullet, and one reload talent

the 7 bullet talent is effectively both a mag size talent and a reload talent

[tribal pebble]

is reload one at a time

it make animation cancle less effective

takes 2 more talent that could go to better place

[hollow ibex]

you can fire three times

reload once

and it'll give you all your ammo back

[tribal pebble]

look at the video

[hollow ibex]

whereas if you fire 3 times without the talent

[tribal pebble]

it makes animation cancle slower

[hollow ibex]

you have to reload 3 bullets

[tribal pebble]

look

it ticks up slow

watch video at ammo counter

[hollow ibex]

what?

[tribal pebble]

the one bullet does not make 3 bullet instant

it still reload at same speed as if were to shoot all bullet

[hollow ibex]

it doesn't impact the animations

[tribal pebble]

it just take longer animation

animation is not impacted

but time is

watch video

[hollow ibex]

i did

[tribal pebble]

then compare to this video

[hollow ibex]

....

you realize

in your prior video

[tribal pebble]

see difference of when i aim down scope

yes

[hollow ibex]

you had 2 reload talents active?

[tribal pebble]

i am reload one bullet

[hollow ibex]

i don't see whta the problem is

[tribal pebble]

i shoot one

and reload one

but i aim down scope quick

i willl make new video

[hollow ibex]

realistically you're never going to fire once and reload immediately

even if it somehow impacted the ADS time, it literally would not matter lol...

[tribal pebble]

i am not know if i am not speaking well enough for understand

it matter many amount

[hollow ibex]

as someone who runs that talent

it absolutely does not

[tribal pebble]

i shoot after reload many time

i need do it quick

but lets say it is not make a difference

[hollow ibex]

ok but you'd rather have a much longer reload?

and a smaller mag?

[tribal pebble]

this is also a waste of 2 talent point

[hollow ibex]

i don't see why you would ever do this

but you do you

[tribal pebble]

well with reload like this speed then there not even much difference from reload after every shot

i make it so it 1 shot every specialist that is not mauler or ogryn

at auric level

it would take same time for shoot and target swap

as it would take for shoot reload one bullet while target swapping

look i will make video

[hollow ibex]

honestly, you're splitting hairs over the difference

[tribal pebble]

firstly every millisecond is important

[hollow ibex]

you realize

[tribal pebble]

secondly why are you saying that it is worth it

[hollow ibex]

you'd have way more uptime

[tribal pebble]

this is worth 2 talent point?

[hollow ibex]

with a 40% larger mag

because it's irrelevant

[tribal pebble]

this is ok if you are have slow reload like this

then is ok

[hollow ibex]

i get stamina regen from MMF

[tribal pebble]

but still is worse for the one bullet reload thing

[hollow ibex]

i don't need the stam node

you're spending 2 points either way for pathing

[tribal pebble]

why are not using stamina node?

[hollow ibex]

huh?

[tribal pebble]

it is amazing

[hollow ibex]

why would i

when i can take a 40% larger mag

[tribal pebble]

it is 20%

25%

[hollow ibex]

check your math again

[tribal pebble]

that is what node say

[hollow ibex]

i know what it says

check your math again

[tribal pebble]

oh you meaning in revolver is 40%

[hollow ibex]

yes...

because we're talking about revolver

[tribal pebble]

this is not matter still

[hollow ibex]

LOL

ok bro

[tribal pebble]

i am making video of why it is not matter with the reload thing

[hollow ibex]

whatever

[tribal pebble]

just wait

[hollow ibex]

i don't care

if you think a 40% larger mag on a snipervolver build doesn't matter

then there's no point talking about it

[tribal pebble]

why are being purposefully ignorant

[hollow ibex]

lol. That’s my question.

Ignoring a 40 percent mag size increase takes some pretty insane mental gymnastics

But hey you do you. You’re the one playing the build, not me.

[compact oracle]

the 'instant' reload is very useful

prefer it over kill zone at a minimum

[hollow ibex]

KZ does nothing for revolver anyway

[tribal pebble]

it always is getting cut off if aim down sight early if there is enemy that are needing to shoot

so it is wasted sometimes

[tribal pebble]

it is seriously not matter

[hollow ibex]

guess what helps you reload less, and shoot more

[compact oracle]

kill zone is wasted all the time because its uptime is garbage

[hollow ibex]

taking the 40% mag size talent

[tribal pebble]

you are reloading same amount of bullet

it just hide it from you

it takes same time

[hollow ibex]

nope, it's faster

[small topaz]

anybody have fun helbore builds? i want to try and learn to love it

[compact oracle]

why would i not want to instantly reload if i get up to 4 shots

[hollow ibex]

you can procvolley adept

[tribal pebble]

it is not

it is not faster

[hollow ibex]

and have it apply to the full mag

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f61c314-2870-469e-b9e7-8d4ce6d057fc/machinegun-helbore

[compact oracle]

im throwing my hands up

im out

[tepid otter]

DClaw any fun

I havent given it a go

[shy parcel]

Good sidearm for mkiv helbore

Outcompeted by everything else otherwise

[small topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[hollow ibex]

fun, but not very strong

[hollow ibex]

make sure to try helbore mk iv as well

it has a really low rate of fire compared to mk v

but for most things you can just use partially charged shots

and save charged shots for crushers/bosses

does some very funny damage numbers

[small topaz]

noted

[shy parcel]

Mkiv can just use weight of fire

[hollow ibex]

yeah ofc

[small topaz]

i have the thingy that makes it charge when ADS which has saved my finger

[shy parcel]

Along with surgical

[hollow ibex]

passive charge?

yeah it's a lifesaver

[small topaz]

ye ye ye

i was just testing it out in meat grinder and absolutely wild how little ammo i was actually using

[shy parcel]

That’s why ammo is a dump stat on a shock trooper helbore build

You basically never run out of ammo

[small topaz]

time to try this maelstrom with the mk iv

i need to find a different weapon to use than power sword and shovel tho getting a little tired of both

[shy parcel]

mkvii devils claw

[hollow ibex]

it's not

[shy parcel]

flak, maniac shred, rampage

I disagree

[hybrid plover]

That's what I've been saying

Ammo serves quite literally no purpose on shock troop builds

[hollow ibex]

nah if you're firing quickly and often

you will run out

[hybrid plover]

Cap.

[hollow ibex]

stability meanwhile does literally nothing

assuming you can handle mild recoil

[leaden condor]

We need a trench club

[shy parcel]

Ammo has been 100% useless on my auric runs

[hollow ibex]

i've def had to take ammo, though yes helbore is very ammo efficient

[shy parcel]

And I was basically shooting 23/7 on those

[hybrid plover]

I have quite literally never, ever run out of ammo on shock troop helbore, in both auric and havoc

And I am shooting a lot on those games

[shy parcel]

Stability has a much more notable impact than ammo

[hybrid plover]

There are times. Where I've quite literally ended h40s with full ammo reserves with not a single ammo pickup

[hollow ibex]

oh good on you for waiting surgical to stack

[hybrid plover]

Lmao I dont

[shy parcel]

I don’t

[hollow ibex]

i don't either, and i def need ammo

maybe y'all aren't shooting enough

[shy parcel]

I use weight of fire mkiv

Don’t need to

[hollow ibex]

i use weight of fire on mkv

[hybrid plover]

Same

[hybrid plover]

Well see that's the thing. I suppose the mark in this case actually makes a big difference.

[hollow ibex]

there's prob an even better argument for dumping ammo on mkv

[hybrid plover]

Because mk4 or even iiia literally don't need ammo as an 80% stat

[hollow ibex]

because recoil is actually a factor

i still wouldn't dump ammo on mkv tho

[shy parcel]

Executioner stance + Mmf usually lets me one tap most enemies

[tribal pebble]

here is video genius

there very small amount difference even if you reload one bullet after every shot

[hollow ibex]

ok, genius, how does this refute any of the points i made previously

nobody said it was an instant reload

[tribal pebble]

difference small enough that it is not justify talent point of extra shooting

you say it was faster

[tribal pebble]

person did

[hollow ibex]

where

[tribal pebble]

and you say it faster even though is not

[hollow ibex]

it is faster

[tribal pebble]

.

NO

watch video again

identical

same speed for 3 bullet in normal gun

as 3 bullet from one bullet animation

this is what i say

is same speed it just hide it

they tick up at same rate

[hollow ibex]

you can reload 7 bullets with volley adept active

without the talent, you only get to have volley adept active for five bullets

[tribal pebble]

and can reload one bullet at a time with 5 bullet

[hollow ibex]

and like i said

[tribal pebble]

it is the same

[hollow ibex]

so?

[tribal pebble]

look

[hollow ibex]

every reload takes more time

[tribal pebble]

i will make a scenario which is cutting out target acquisition time

so all is left down to is speed

14 target

[hollow ibex]

because you have to pull the loader out

[tribal pebble]

for 14 bullet of reload

[tribal pebble]

what?

[hollow ibex]

...

you think the reload animation is just sliding bullets into the revolver?

the loader has to come out first everytime

before you actually load the bullets

which adds overhead

for every reload you have to d o

[tribal pebble]

yes i just am not seeing how this is relevant

i am going to show you

[hollow ibex]

...

i can't be arsed to explain this

go figure it out yourself

[tribal pebble]

7 bullet will be faster but by small small small amount

i am cutting out target acquisition to give 7 bullet even more advantage

[hollow ibex]

look man, run whatever makes you happier

i don't care

[tribal pebble]

you should care because you argue about this and i prove you wrong and you are still argue this

you are being weird

[hollow ibex]

proved me wrong where?

https://tenor.com/view/happy-guy-handsome-guy-look-around-superman-gif-15138598

[tribal pebble]

your theory of it being more quick

you sounded many amount confident about it

[hybrid plover]

Can we all just

[hollow ibex]

that's funny, because you acknowledged that i'm right

[dapper coyote]

Wuh

[hybrid plover]

Agree to disagree.

[hollow ibex]

that's pretty much what i've been telling him

[tribal pebble]

that is of different thing

[hollow ibex]

run whatever makes you happy

[hybrid plover]

This has gotten more heated than it needs to be I think.

[hollow ibex]

he can't seem to stop malding tho

[dapper coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026257922277253140/1379465814780022867/togif-1.gif

[hybrid plover]

Mao

[dapper coyote]

-# meu

[tribal pebble]

look i am making video of how much small this thing would be

in a real game this would be none at all

but i make scenario perfect for 7 bullet revolver

[hollow ibex]

enjoy your 5 bullet revolver

[tribal pebble]

this is same reload speed for each

[hollow ibex]

i'll enjoy my 7 bullet revolver

[tribal pebble]

this is perfect scenario for using 7 bullet

and is 16.9% faster in this

for kill all and reload to maximum bullet:
14.85 second with 7 bullet
17.87 second with 5 bullet

i am making 5 bullet as slow as possible

this scenario removes all target acquisition and i try for removing aiming as much as possible by keeping them many amount close

so all i needing to do is wait for recoil to calm

do you see now how negligable it have being

[hollow ibex]

well this clearly isn't going to end unless one of us blocks the other

i've blocked you

nothing personal, but i don't think either of us needs to spend more time on this

[tribal pebble]

why are so much ignorant

[jaunty sphinx]

You are arguing this hard with a 15 year old please calm down

[hollow ibex]

bistol is the better handcannon sniper anyway

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

i've dropped my volver sniper build in favor of a bistol sniper one

it's just so much better

[dapper coyote]

Yea i dropped my revolver for Bistols because the lack of speed loaders

[tribal pebble]

if you are wanting to 2 shot everything and make survivalist inefficient

[hollow ibex]

the reload doesn't even really bother me

it's just that bistol hits nearly all the same breakpoints that revolver does

has like 50% more ammo

and also kills crushers just as fast

it's funny because bistol breakpoints are normally pretty ass

[dapper coyote]

It kinda does for me because EAAAAAGGGGHHHHH THERES FUCKING 6 RAGERS AND I CANT RELOAD ALL 7 RNDS IN TIME

[hollow ibex]

when used as a sidearm

[dapper coyote]

Also the bleed blessing is a nice anti captain bonus

[hollow ibex]

i run it with bleed on my sidearm bistol

but on a sniper build i run with surgical + DA

[dapper coyote]

Right now im running Reccy + Psword/Caxe + smoke

The smoke is nice to nullify shooters

[spark helm]

Smoke is neat. Glad it got love over time.

[orchid hemlock]

@tribal pebble

The reason why Volley is useless on Revolver is because you literally never need to reload it in the first place

[hollow ibex]

he's running it on a sniper build

[tribal pebble]

i am making skill tree of many amount quick reload

[hollow ibex]

we were talking about it in the context of a MMF volver build

so volley is actually very important

[dapper coyote]

Its contested by Krak for an equally important reason.

Nullifies Crushers and heavy targets.

And by the looks of it most players doesn't want to deal with crushers that much.

[orchid hemlock]

Wait then what was the disagreement?

[tribal pebble]

he is think 7 bullet makes difference with revolver mark that have scope

it is not have speed loader

one bullet at a time

he was think it is instant reload for 3 bullet

he say it is more quick

i make video to disprove this

[orchid hemlock]

im asking them not you

[tribal pebble]

then i make new video after he tryingto argue more for no reason after i prove him wrong

[tribal pebble]

i am giving you the correct answer

[hollow ibex]

Over the value of lock n load

[tribal pebble]

but second video is showing difference of 7 bullet and 5 bullet in perfect scenario for 7 bullet

where it should be best ever

but instead is only 16.9% more quick than 5 shot

when using 5 shot in slowest way possible

[hollow ibex]

i think he REALLY dislikes the fact that you can't anim cancel while the last 2 bullets are being loaded into the gun

personally i'd rather still have a 40% larger mag

and the benefit of volley adept on two extra bullets if i end up using the full mag

in actual combat i find the larger mag pretty damn helpful

[tribal pebble]

There is none benefit. In the best possible case is 16.9% more good

And that situation probably is never going to happen ever ever

[tribal pebble]

It is also that there is high chance of aim too much early then not get any benefit of the talent

It cut it off

5 bullet is not doing this

When gun is close then it is safe for aim

With 7 needing to wait longer

[orchid hemlock]

I mean I will be honest

I very rarely use the revolver, but I do use the bolt gun a lot

more ammo in the clip is better than faster reload

because there are situations where you literally can't reload

but I don't know how much bolt translates to revolver

[tribal pebble]

Look at video I make

If shoot and reload one at a time

It not much different

[orchid hemlock]

the video isn't helpful because it isn't a real game scenario

[tribal pebble]

Than shoot and wait for recoil

[tribal pebble]

Yes it is even more helpful because it is make 7 bullet gun have more advantage

And even with more advantage it still low amount different

[tribal pebble]

Bolt gun also is full magazine

Revolver is not

Revolver reload one bullet at a time

More bullet meaning longer reload

[orchid hemlock]

in the perfect scenario where they are all standing there perfectly for you to land headshots, and you don't need to worry about stamina management sure maybe?

[orchid hemlock]

this is a misconception of how a larger clip = "longer reload" this is false

yes to fill up the clip it is longer, but the animation per clip is exactly the same

[tribal pebble]

LOOK AT VIDEO

I show it is same time

Second part of first video

[orchid hemlock]

yes you take volley, which decreases reload time, but that has nothing to do with the clip size

[tribal pebble]

It is longer with revolcer

Why are not reading

Try it yourself i am not make more video

With revolver it is take longer for reload all bullet

But animation is same

[orchid hemlock]

at the fundamental level this is a comparison between Volley and LnL correct?

[tribal pebble]

What

No

[hollow ibex]

Idk. I take both lol

[tribal pebble]

In all of clip I use same build

[tribal pebble]

I was use both in the video of 7 bullet

They each have same reload speed in video I'm showing

And still no advantage to 7 bullet

[tall torrent]

stability makes ADS sway quite a bit lower
though this is not super relevant with stance active
there's not a huge ammo loss with ammo dump tho, can prob dump ammo and be fine

[hybrid plover]

thank you, gosh! my propaganda is not rooted in falsities darnit

[tall torrent]

33 vs 19 sway

[hybrid plover]

It's minor.

[tall torrent]

it is notably less

[hybrid plover]

But if the other thing is literally useless, why not?

[tall torrent]

I don't think ammo is literally useless either

it's a small ext mag basically

[dapper coyote]

Yea 2 more bullets to shoot with

[orchid hemlock]

i still dont understand the argument then

[tall torrent]

it's like 3 extra shots for V

[tribal pebble]

Having 7 bullet is useless. That is all

[hybrid plover]

I think V is the only one where you don't really want to dump ammo for clear reasons

[orchid hemlock]

the first video is showing the 5 clip and 7 clip are different? but is that a bug then if they are different?

[tribal pebble]

No it is showing there is no advantage of 7 bullet

He was saying reload is quicker

[orchid hemlock]

im not sure how you define "useless"

[hybrid plover]

But the other two, once I realized how ammo efficient those two actually were with shock troop, ammo is kinda pointless save for maybe having that extra bit of ammo in the mag for another shot.

[tribal pebble]

But is actually same for same amount of bullet

[hollow ibex]

I think he just really hates not being able to anim cancel with lock n load

So he thinks it’s bad

[tribal pebble]

16.9% quicker at best in best possible scenario for 2 talent points is useless yes

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I didn’t even realize there’s sway until you mentioned it

[tribal pebble]

No

That is least of the concern

[dapper coyote]

🍿

[orchid hemlock]

OOOOOOOOHHH now I get it

I was staring at the video for 5 minutes on repeat

[hybrid plover]

Ye. It's not just recoil that stability affects.

And for helbore, sway matters quite a bit actually.

I maybe should have mentioned that before but I also didn't know you didn't know it affected that too lol

[tribal pebble]

There more than this

[hollow ibex]

Idk personally never bothered me.

[hybrid plover]

Bro with some of the sniper spots I've been seeing lately, it can matter a lot

[hollow ibex]

Most combat is under 20m, with ES on and on a gun with the hitbox the size of the moon

[tall torrent]

it's not that relevant because stance massively reduces sway

[hybrid plover]

But what if you don't wanna use exe stance tho

Like

Don't get me wrong

You should with helbore

[hollow ibex]

If I’m counter sniping I’ll have ES on anyway

[hybrid plover]

But, if not, it does matter.

[hollow ibex]

Dump ammo then i guess

[tall torrent]

then u lose good 1 taps with helbore

[hybrid plover]

I know that 😔

[tall torrent]

so like

if ur gonna take 2 shots anyway

pinpoint first shot is less relevant

might as well get small ext mag

I don't think helbore is the best candidate for ammo dump

I will say however

mk2b inf las ammo dump (to get max mobility) is pretty cool

very noticeable ads move speed difference

if stability affected hipfire spread more for helbore it'd prob be a better pick

[hollow ibex]

Does it make the gun not feel shit to use tho

[tall torrent]

well

u can experience really fast strafe with it

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9682614749277905735/6F688614086A9FA6ACCA1F1BCB4C023412807F58/

[hollow ibex]

look forward to trying it when ilas stops sucking...

[dapper coyote]

Same

[hollow ibex]

i just hate

how i can't max out t he rate of fire of the mk 2

at many ranges

[dapper coyote]

I do want to use Ilas as well but man.

[tribal pebble]

This needs nerf

[tall torrent]

?

[tribal pebble]

It is too many powerful

[dapper coyote]

Ah yes the most dogshit lasgun in this current patch needs a nerf

What's next nerf IAG fire rate?

[tribal pebble]

He is movie like the flash super hero

[dapper coyote]

its not that fast my guy

Fucking ragers still gonna get ya

[tribal pebble]

He is beating light in a race

[dapper coyote]

What light?

He's using the light lasgun man

[tribal pebble]

I meaning light like from sun

[dapper coyote]

Ah yes, the light from the sun in fucking Sefoni's world

[tribal pebble]

What is meaning?

[dapper coyote]

As if it mattered

[sharp epoch]

yes

[tribal pebble]

Is too much quick

[patent slate]

how good is the falcion?

[void dragon]

for the minigame of heath bar management it performs worse than the Rashad C.axe, so not very hot

can do work but its definelly not in a good spot

[tribal pebble]

I wish there is spear

I like spear

[hollow ibex]

the better question is, how bad is the falchion

[patent slate]

the rashad is still broken

lmao

[patent slate]

alr so its ass

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean unpowered it's a joke

powered it's ok but has no stagger

it's usable

and kinda fun

but wouldn't call it a good weapon

[calm shard]

I want the funny uppercut variant to do a billion damage on weakspot hit

[queen obsidian]

Gang what does assist 50 players in havoc mean

Is it just play 50 havoc mission?

[calm shard]

play 50 havoc missions hosted by somebody else

[queen obsidian]

As long as we aren't the host?

Cus i only do quick play

Basically just play 50 mission

[verbal token]

I think other teammates aside from the host count toward that penance as well. But only if they survive the mission, right?

So, at best, with full extracts or maybe one teammate dead, perhaps you’ll only need to do 20 or so missions.

[dapper coyote]

I did play around 5 havocs lately and i did see the assists progress go up

So yea, i think you can play havoc all by yourself and its still counts as helping

[toxic reef]

idts

I feel like I remember my counts being desynched from hosting my own when doing those

[toxic reef]

havoc is not through quickplay tho, it's a separate gamemode

[queen obsidian]

I know

I mean by the party finder

50 mission for mobian 21st helmet

[toxic reef]

yeah it's usually easier to join other's low leveled havocs

[umbral scaffold]

eh?

[dapper coyote]

You can keep volley fire / execute stance by killing highlighted targets

[dapper coyote]

21st (side npcs / tainted stimm victim guardsman) or the 53rd (Dukane Guardsman / Havoc armor)?

Because as far as i can see you can't obtain 21st armor sets anymore

[umbral scaffold]

what the fk?

i just started the mission

dont remember travelling nearly 10k meters

[cinder wagon]

maybe flying on the ship counted towards it lol

[umbral scaffold]

i mean i was more like half way into the mission

but either it counts in centimeters or

idk

[toxic reef]

this is not in one mission tho

[umbral scaffold]

i genuinely havent travelled that far

how so?

doesnt it count the progress like any other penance?

or it just goes from zero to 10k

cuz i started at zero

for sure

[toxic reef]

hm

[umbral scaffold]

i was like it doesnt make any sense

but im glad

one less to deal with

also what stats do you dump on this?

[toxic reef]

plasma?

ideal is 69% thermal, 71% charge rate

but if you can't be bothered then it's just dump thermal

[umbral scaffold]

what difference does it make

[toxic reef]

allows you 8 shots before overheating or something

[umbral scaffold]

8 charged

or hip

[toxic reef]

hip, no one uses charged

[umbral scaffold]

i wondered always how the heck do you use it

like i get the charge time all wrong

[toxic reef]

you never charge

that's how

[dapper coyote]

Just hip fire

You don't need the charged fire, at all

[umbral scaffold]

could this blessings help me to get the penance for that god knows how many weakspot critical kills?

[toxic reef]

just use helbore with surgical

is that ilas or something

[umbral scaffold]

i like this weapon

and hate helbore with a passion

[toxic reef]

helbore gets you kills tho

[umbral scaffold]

i only like the dagger on the helbore honestly

ye but its hip fire is ass accuracy

and slow in general

[toxic reef]

why would you hipfire

you just exec stance and watch things drop

[umbral scaffold]

hmm

does it go through enemies?

https://tenor.com/view/spirit-beam-beam-legend-of-korra-korra-gif-20207699

[exotic grove]

can someone explain tro me how to play an infiltrate veteran ?

[tepid otter]

Go invis and bop enemies at the back of the head

[exotic grove]

osimple enough, should i go with the laspistol or the humble lasrifle ?

[cinder wagon]

I feel like no matter what I do I can never actually enjoy playing vet

[exotic grove]

(i want to play solid snake...)

[tepid otter]

Honestly dont play infil vet all that much

[toxic reef]

infiltrate + covert operative can do some fun boss dmg

[tepid otter]

Prolly my least favourite out of the other 2

[toxic reef]

ye it doesn't have the same tech as shroudfield

[tepid otter]

i think an invis vet archetype was weird in the first place

[exotic grove]

i think they tried to make it like Markus Hunter skill in V2

[livid fractal]

how does Recon Las wanna build

[tepid otter]

I haven't played VT2 so idk that

[limber bane]

is recon good in h40

[limber bane]

also this

[tepid otter]

I go with this, but you can modify it however you want

[livid fractal]

yknow

thats actually rly close to my build

[slow sky]

Its good, not great

Reliable is a good word for it

[tepid otter]

Could prolly change shout to Exec, I think either works for that one

[winter grove]

Tried out playing my older build with ilas and MF

How did they make MF not feel so ass now

[tepid otter]

Talent tree rework from the last major update ig

Infantry las kinda sad rn tho

[winter grove]

wdym

I am having a blast with mk7 and mk2b

[tepid otter]

What difficulty are you playing at

[winter grove]

havoc 20-25

mostly aurics if not havoc tho

I don't like havoc I am really only doing it for the armor parts atm

[tepid otter]

Idk it just gets outclassed by a lot of the other weapons imo

[exotic grove]

i tried this

[tepid otter]

Whats your weapons on it

[mortal aspen]

absolutely cursed

[exotic grove]

knife las pistol

[exotic grove]

it's bad ?

[mortal aspen]

they really should make Iron Will unskippable

[tepid otter]

I'd prolly get survivalist over the movement speed one, or maybe the dmg one

[mortal aspen]

no Iron Will is crazy and no Confirmed Kill\Out for Blood either

[silver patrol]

taking some reload talents over iron will makes me think

[exotic grove]

better ?

[winter grove]

Honestly I fw new bolter variant for this silly little detail

It fires semi auto instead of bursts

from hip I mean

It's just comfier to use you know?

[umbral scaffold]

could chainaxe work for 500 focus targets penance?

[steel veldt]

No offense, okay? But what the fuck are you doing

at least in my humble opinion

[exotic grove]

my best

[azure narwhal]

what are you trying to play with this, weapons?

infiltrate and MMF is quite the choice, also a bunch of extra nodes which are questionable

[steel veldt]

Well, think about it this way, wouldn't the part of the tree where you got the ability from... synergise better?

[trail ore]

is +25% to carapace worth it on helbore?

[tepid otter]

Id say so, I got Cara + Unyielding on it

[umbral scaffold]

swear man this part of the map is so troll

[tepid otter]

Mine would be the ledge with just explosive barrels everywhere

cant remember the map

but one barrel would just send you flying over the ledge for instant death

[trail ore]

gloriana

obviously

[umbral scaffold]

yea well this map

another part

you know the bridge?

with the huge reflectors?

and one side fence is completely missing

or railing

i do not know how many times i fell down there

either by bomber or

like now

plague ogryn

it sends me flying

[mystic lodge]

what melee weapon should I use with a Inf Autogun build?

[dapper coyote]

Imo, Anything that can cover its weakness (carapace)

[mystic lodge]

what do you recommend?

Im new to the class

[dapper coyote]

Ok so

IAG fucking sucks (but fun nonetheless) and vets have plethora of other good guns with good nodes to combo it with

Psword with power cycler and sunder for havoc and in general the best you have

Axes (rashad) is nice for single targets

Pfalchion and Smaul is mid

Knife and DS is good

Taxe are good but im not well experienced on this melee

Shovel is good and safe pick in general

Cswords and Chaxes are good but there's better options

And do not sleep on vets nades

Some of them are fucking amazing

[umbral scaffold]

how far is 30m roughly?

[dapper coyote]

Ping the target then shoot

[silver patrol]

uh 30 meters

[umbral scaffold]

does it say in meters?

[dapper coyote]

Y e s

[umbral scaffold]

hmm

[dapper coyote]

Go to open wide maps and ping specialists, then shoot from there until there's no more targets

[umbral scaffold]

what the hell is threat?

[dapper coyote]

Make sure to bring sniper esque weapons

[umbral scaffold]

what are open wide maps 🤣

[dapper coyote]

Priority

You will be the least prioritised player for 10sec

[umbral scaffold]

overwatch on infiltrate perk is good?

[dapper coyote]

But won't be affected if you are the only one still alive (duh)

[thorn lark]

Rashad is very much s tier horde clear with BM

[dapper coyote]

The sandy maps tends to give you that space and gap to progress

[dapper coyote]

Brutal momentum?

[warm harbor]

I Want a Melta

I wanna melt hordes and armored infantry

I want to one-shot a fucking Mauler

[dapper coyote]

Its called a plasma

[warm harbor]

To melt the poxwalkers

[warm harbor]

Plasma is a thing melta is another

[dapper coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/el-risitas-juan-joya-borja-ratones-coloraos-laugh-meme-laughing-man-gif-24899295

We have melta at home

Melta at home:

Plasma gun

[azure narwhal]

Hellgun, heavy stubber and melta are my current wants for ranged

[dapper coyote]

Look i also want Hellgun and melta, but at the same time these weapons will completely push other guns into irrelevant

Which is probably why we don't have them

[azure narwhal]

Not neccessarily, i mean, we got power falchion and look how that played out

[dapper coyote]

Since fatshark doesn't want to deal with the already fucked up balance

Yea its either mid that might as well not be added and nothing will be impacted or pushed other guns into irrelevant

[azure narwhal]

I wouldnt mind a shitty ass melta as long as i at least have a melta in the game, i mean, it's 40k. Variety of arsenal is half the appeal

[heavy rover]

I'd be curious to see how many people make the most crusty character imaginable and re-name to Jurgen and run exclusively the melta

[azure narwhal]

Ferik Jurgen nr#97668

Just like judge dredd arbitrators

[umbral scaffold]

which is the best one?

[dapper coyote]

Eeeehhhhhh

[thorn lark]

7 or 4

I am partial to the 4, the h1 strike down is comfy

[dapper coyote]

DCs aren't the best but its MKIV or MKVIII

[surreal rune]

fatshark really put a stubber in one of veteran's skill tree portraits but hasnt released it

[dapper coyote]

Stelf ogryn when

[dry wedge]

Just curious, gonna try this later, what blessings/perks do you run on your curios? I assume 2 toughness and 1 max health?

[thorn lark]

welll

it is kinda a thing in WH fantasy

[dapper coyote]

Clan Eshin ogres

[umbral scaffold]

guys isnt there a mod that auto tags enemies as you look at them?

[sly lava]

Believe so

[surreal rune]

dog whistle?

[umbral scaffold]

i must look into it then

[silver patrol]

autotag, dogwhistle

[umbral scaffold]

i mean i join randoms i ask people not to kill my tags but still do

in fact they seem to focus them even more

truly jerkoffs they are

[viscid sparrow]

I still have a bad habit of forgetting arby gets buffs from killing stuff with dog...

[umbral scaffold]

yea and dog targets elites or ranged enemy more

thats not the issue

people seem to deliberately scan out the elites before i get to it

against all my wishes

[silver patrol]

i don't think everyone has to wait on your doggo

[umbral scaffold]

im not playing arbiter tho

veteran

[silver patrol]

i don't think they have to let you handle your tags either

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-super-vegeta-versus-jiren-laugh-laughing-saiyan-gif-10727574

[silver patrol]

are you using focus target

[umbral scaffold]

yea

aka the targets are even yellow not red

[silver patrol]

why shouldn't people target them then

i don't really understand

[umbral scaffold]

because i asked nicely?

[silver patrol]

why would you ask that

and why should they care

[umbral scaffold]

so i could do my penance

they shouldnt

[silver patrol]

i really suggest you do this on private games

[umbral scaffold]

but they also shouldnt be a prick about it

i struggle to find ppl to play with

i cant host private alone

[silver patrol]

there is a channel to find people for private matches for penances here isn't there

[umbral scaffold]

vox lfg?

[silver patrol]

yeah i think so

[surreal rune]

the arbites skill tree has talents which provide buffs to players when they kill pounced enemies

[umbral scaffold]

its somewhere on the bottom left no?

[surreal rune]

middle left

bottom left

[umbral scaffold]

i know of it but the arbiter isnt the problem

there wasnt even a single arbiter on that specific match i believe

[surreal rune]

no, no

[umbral scaffold]

i looked ''above'' and found nothing

[silver patrol]

what do you mean above

[umbral scaffold]

i mean the texts says i should look above for the details

wait nvm

[silver patrol]

yeah

it's usually never important

unless one mod builds on top of another, but that should be very obvious

[umbral scaffold]

was last updated in june

[silver patrol]

it doesn't really matter, the functionality doesn't break

[umbral scaffold]

do you leave the settings of the mod as it is?

2 second or whatever it said as standard

[silver patrol]

no, you have to configure them

[umbral scaffold]

cooldown

[silver patrol]

depends what you want to do

let me launch mine

you may also want to filter the enemies to which it applies

if you don't want to waste your focus stacks on gunners and such

[umbral scaffold]

it doesnt matter honestly just want the penance

and then move on to a different one

weakspot one will be quite complicated due to my potato aim

[silver patrol]

i have it at 8 seconds cooldown, override manual tag to off and refresh cooldown to On

btw i think that penance counts ally kills on focused targets too

[umbral scaffold]

i dont know but will soon test it

also i heard someone was using a mod thats apparently better than spidey sense for the different types of elites/specialists

unfortunately i forgot it since

[umbral scaffold]

yea it does

maybe it doesnt when they tag it before me

[finite cobalt]

Is that new vet powersword any good?

[hollow ibex]

thoroughly mid at best

[burnt pelican]

does weapon specialist give crit chance only to first shot?

[hollow ibex]

yes so you want to use it with guns that hit hard

like double barrel, revolver, combat shotguns typically

even plasma

[burnt pelican]

I was thinking of trying the meme revolver with it but then nah it wont work

[umbral scaffold]

this is better in mortis right

[serene bough]

Just chuck into armor packs and youll get

[serene bough]

Iirc you can kill scab bruisers and it counts

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/fully-gif-5415423055773586825

yeah even those lesser gunman enemies count apparently

but theyre never close to one another

[brave flint]

thoughts on plasma

[hollow ibex]

good, ammo hungry, very boring and poorly designed

[brave flint]

very well said, i agree.

[dapper coyote]

Very boring? True

[viscid sparrow]

saving plasma for non-regular ranged enemy stuff by using cover to attempt getting into melee range is often not an option, I assume.

[dapper coyote]

You don't have much ammo to begin with

Like, you have an extra mag thats all

Or extra plasma capsule i guess

[silver patrol]

what's the best horde weapon for vet that can still kill crushers

and isn't power sword

[dapper coyote]

Melee?

[silver patrol]

yeah

[dapper coyote]

Caxes, knoifs

Thats the ones that i do remember doing well against crushers

[silver patrol]

but does knife even do well against hordes

[dapper coyote]

Theres more but these 2 i did use them quite well

[hollow ibex]

usable

you just have to dodge a lot

because they have 0 stagger

[silver patrol]

yeah i mean, i wouldn't call it good against hordes

[dapper coyote]

For anti hordes, its meh,

[silver patrol]

around duelling sword level

[dapper coyote]

Caxes can be a good anti horde thanks to BM

[hollow ibex]

chaxe is unironically a great option too

has good horde clear

and anti-crusher

just suffers against bosses

[dapper coyote]

Yea true

I haven't used Chaxes just yet

Gathering resources for it

[silver patrol]

i did found the chain axe rather awful in the past

[hollow ibex]

they're good now

[dapper coyote]

There's a lot of vet players using them now when not using Pswords

[silver patrol]

i'll them then

[dapper coyote]

Im just waiting for my weekly issued supply (havoc chests lmao)

Also, do smokes deny captains guns as well?

[silver patrol]

wait, don't chain axe have the 3 cleave limit

[hollow ibex]

i think it's 4

on the mk xii lights

i believe that the mk iv had its cleave cap removed

that being said mk xii horde clear is still pretty good

and very safe to use during hordes

you'll need HT slaughterer

[silver patrol]

yeah they seem like the only usable blessings

[hollow ibex]

there's bloodletter but you give up a lot for thta

[tall torrent]

no

[livid hill]

#darktide-fan-art message

[hollow ibex]

wait did neither of the chaxes get their cap removed

[tall torrent]

XII did

[hollow ibex]

oh i had it reversed then

[hybrid plover]

Two health one stam

[tall torrent]

this needs changes badly

[umbral scaffold]

but how else you stack crits ?

[hybrid plover]

Esp since the way Havoc debuffs work out, you get more out of 21% health than 17% toughness in raw numbers

[hollow ibex]

WS gives guaranteed crit already 🤔

[umbral scaffold]

ws?

[hollow ibex]

keystone

[umbral scaffold]

thats how i get crits

and that thing on 10 stacks

but its way harder than it needs to be

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u using

[hybrid plover]

You don't need deadshot

[umbral scaffold]

one of the

rifles

forgot which

it has quite high dmg and 19 ammo per clip

[hybrid plover]

Depending on what you're using, it's probably hurting you more than anything.

[umbral scaffold]

well i cant keep using lasgun i dont like it

[hybrid plover]

I usually use it for Havoc and I feel having more health is beneficial for the stuff that doesn't care about your toughness.

[umbral scaffold]

weapon specialist?

[hybrid plover]

Discord is sending my messages in a weird order

[umbral scaffold]

yea it does that sometimes

when you get hit it also removes stacks which it doesnt say

[hollow ibex]

vigilant? you should run with left side keystone instead of WS prob

[umbral scaffold]

but i need weapon specialist for the penance though

[tall torrent]

Use the mk3 vig auto

[umbral scaffold]

ye but that ones burst

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's better

[umbral scaffold]

but wont i miss the shots on an already tiny weakspots?

are these good?

[hollow ibex]

no they're really bad

you generally want 25% damage perks against certain types

[umbral scaffold]

3 stacks of ranged specialist is 99% crit right

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's guaranteed crit

[umbral scaffold]

but only the first shot

if i fk up then i begin all over again

with melee

but hey at least its not difficulty bound penance

[hybrid plover]

Is this the semi auto one?

[willow prairie]

what blessing for helbore again

i foggor

[umbral scaffold]

its the mk3

someone said to try that one

[hybrid plover]

Surgical/WoF on mkiv/iiia

[umbral scaffold]

but its the vigilant rifle yea

[willow prairie]

perks?

also is hotshot still bugged

[hybrid plover]

Surgical/WoF, Armourbane, Sustained Fire on MkV

No.

Not anymore.

[umbral scaffold]

well it worked

not only that but

i hit 2 with one shot cuz it went straight through the first

but thisll take ages

[willow prairie]

which one is best overall

i know mk4 have funny crusher 1 shot

[hollow ibex]

i'd say go for 4 or 5

[tall torrent]

No

[willow prairie]

what for perks

[hollow ibex]

unyielding cara

[umbral scaffold]

but in this setup i clearly messed up somehow cuz i get zero toughness on hit

[mortal aspen]

I don't think vet has any toughness from hits

[umbral scaffold]

not even specific weapons?

their blessings

[willow prairie]

what wrong about mk3a

[mortal aspen]

idk. why would you want that anyway, toughness isn't an issue on vet

[umbral scaffold]

to survive somehow while the plague ogryn is smashing me to bits

[mortal aspen]

Exe, shout, confirmed kill, out for blood

[tall torrent]

That’s not a base game function

And vet doesn’t have talents that do that

[mortal aspen]

if it's just a single plogryn then you shouldn't be dying to it anyway and if it's not then you have toughness pinhatas

confirmed kill + Exe is like 20%+ toughness/s

[tall torrent]

Plague ogryn is also just really easy to fight

[hollow ibex]

nothing really, it's just that mk5 already kills most stuff in one shot anyway so no real reason imo to use mk3

idk if havoc impacts breakpoints tho

[mortal aspen]

and contrary to what most people say, coherency regen also exists and adds up

[willow prairie]

"havoc"

"breakpoint"

funny encroaching garden:

[hollow ibex]

them use mk5 so you can fire faster

[mortal aspen]

I thought they patched boss dancing in dt huh

[hollow ibex]

🔥

[mortal aspen]

I never even tried

[tall torrent]

Nothing

3a prob best one overall rn