#veteran-class

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fair shale
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Cause of FS

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FromSoftware

fair shale
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Force Sword but yes

compact oracle
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are there ways to buff psyker's explosion damage other than crystalline will

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oh right this is vet chat

bold sierra
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tbf that was be4 they added deimos force sword XD

toxic reef
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crystalline will 5 wounds :^)

slow sky
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Shameless plug

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Of the game last night

tame lodge
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Cole when it comes to spread shovel barrel propaganda

slow sky
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Yea

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This is actually the first video/recording I have on it that isnt just a clip I posted to discord

calm shard
compact oracle
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yeah it wouldve been 9 million if it was the dueling sword

hollow ibex
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that felt like a lot of specials in 27 minutes

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tall torrent
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FGS basically strongest melee after power sword cuz SG + DD gives insane dmg buff & warp slash op

fair shale
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Feels great

sudden cedar
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Man, people leaving the moment things go sideways really takes the fun out of a mission sometimes.

hollow ibex
compact oracle
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you were a bistol hater??

hollow ibex
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yeah i mean it's pretty shit unless you juice the fuck out of it

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more of a movement/buff stick than a gun

mortal aspen
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what's the mod that adds the crosshair during ads?

hollow ibex
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crosshair remap

jaunty sphinx
bold sierra
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I went OG inf lasgun exec stance in H40, actually damn amazing, Ghost is amazing

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got 2nd dmg with this setup, without kraks, I'd say pretty damn good

slow sky
hybrid plover
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real talk

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if they're not gonna fix dogs instapouncing, they should at least just make it that they can't stagger you back

hollow ibex
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i'm more annoyed by the instacorruption tbh

hybrid plover
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dude i've been getting pushed off ledges by instapoucning dogs more often than i should be lately

faint beacon
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Youll take your 25 corruption and be happy

hybrid plover
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it's actually infuriating

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like there's no counterplay to that shit because they don't even have to pounce you

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just pounce in your general direction

bold sierra
faint beacon
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The extreme stagger hounds dish out Is infuriating

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I’ve been forced into slotted overheads cause of them

slow sky
hybrid plover
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but the instapounce bug is so much worse since this update

bold sierra
fair shale
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Dogs still be tracking you through mid air like an ornstein dash on occasion

hybrid plover
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lmao

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speaking of psyker earlier, my goofy offmeta tendencies may have resulted in something i may have to test out in havoc at some point

bold sierra
toxic reef
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I mean not really

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I see different psykers all the time

bold sierra
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should've elaborated ig

toxic reef
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then no, but there's some that try to change it

hybrid plover
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lemme remake this goofy ah build in gameslantern

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because i'm genuinely shocked at how well this worked

toxic reef
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like there's some psyker builds that can be run together with bubble inferno

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some manage to do it with shriek instead

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but the whole lobby system is just not kind towards psykers not running bubble inferno

bold sierra
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even when most psykers run inferno bubble...sometimes they absolutely SUCK at it

hybrid plover
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oh wait

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flesh tearer is supposed to be lacerate

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but yeah that's the gist of it

toxic reef
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you're just very prone to dying to an overhead

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because you're not really that mobile when you're spewing fire

bold sierra
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you really hate seeing psyker with inferno that doesnt knw how to press M1 to push bursters and stagger...

hybrid plover
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accatran shotty has no business being this good

bold sierra
hybrid plover
scenic oracle
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Shriek for inferno

bold sierra
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I'd muuuuch prefer a good trauma staff over inferno

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especially in rotten armor

scenic oracle
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Rotten armor + stims is miserable

bold sierra
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great for kraks....IF PEOPLE BRING THEM

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tbh im kinda getting used to rotten armor, it aint so bad

stuck gorge
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hella fun to play with thank you 🔥

scenic oracle
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Saved me many times lol

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I do have a video but it's hard to tell if it's shredder that saved me

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Mainly the stagger if anything

bold sierra
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it's more or less a toughness generator, rager staggerer and crit dispenser

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i sometimes run it on zealot for the toughness regen and tdr proc

scenic oracle
bold sierra
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well that is also greagt

slow sky
scenic oracle
bold sierra
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Also Thunderous works pretty well, I get like 200 dmg bleed ticks max on Crusher (w/ headtaker), and I can support team with it too ig

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AFAIK, dodge distance and sprint speed feel more or less the same as shovel at 80 mobility, but idk the EXACT numbers, the "+" stats are the same tho (+0.27 sprint speed, +3% dodge distance)

tall torrent
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Antax gets better/equal dodge vs shovel

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Antax (cleave targets dump) gets +0.27m/s sprint bonus and +3% dodge distance

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Shovel with defences dump gets the same numbers

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Shovel with mobility dump gets +0.09m/s sprint bonus and +1% dodge distance

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It’s not been the “big dodge distance melee” for over a year

bold sierra
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but either way, those stats are the same as shovel

tall torrent
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These are modifiers to class’ base stats

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Veteran’s sprint speed is 5.2m/s

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With +0.27m/s sprint bonus u get 5.47m/s

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Veteran’s dodge template uses 2.5m dodge so +3% is 2.575m and +1% is 2.525m

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The difference is very small on dodge

bold sierra
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i see, cool

tall torrent
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Maxing mobility is almost always for the sprint speed

brittle turret
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jesus

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this game

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bruh

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Rip I got cooked at the end but

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Going back to the Rashad feels so much better than powersword

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I don't need to scream everytime I see a pack of blue ragers

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and like

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I have mobility

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I swear this Rashad is dogshit for havoc too

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Grenades take from weapon perks I'm guessing so lost 25% on all kraks

umbral scaffold
hollow ibex
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modifier that makes crushers very resistant against ranged damage

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idr if it gives more hp

umbral scaffold
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they are already resistant to it as standard no?

brittle turret
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Modifier that makes armour packs normal enemies mroe like lul

calm shard
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and they explode into a pox cloud on death

umbral scaffold
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jeez

jaunty sphinx
calm shard
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it's not the worst havoc modifier

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it's one of the easier ones on its own tbh

jaunty sphinx
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finally tried double barrel

umbral scaffold
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so how do you deal with it?

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they arent all like pox bombers are they

calm shard
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melee them the same way you always do with those enemies

brittle turret
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Krak grenades

calm shard
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the pox cloud is pretty small

brittle turret
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ez

calm shard
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yeah and kraks

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kraks are legally not ranged damage

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so they still kill them

umbral scaffold
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what about the psykers flame?

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still no bueno?

jaunty sphinx
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kraks make me feel like the mvp of rotten armor ngl

brittle turret
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Still works cos psyker is busted to shit

hybrid plover
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rotten armor being "not as bad" heavily depends on the map tbh

brittle turret
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Stimms is the cancer modifier

jaunty sphinx
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fuck stimms

calm shard
brittle turret
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and when you have rot armour+ stimms, it's where people crumble

calm shard
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kills ragers/maulers as per usual

hybrid plover
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because roten armor on silo cluster for one

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is utter ass

brittle turret
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Silo is the hardest map rn on god

hybrid plover
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that map is legit not designed for that kind of modifier at all

umbral scaffold
brittle turret
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Entrance is tiny bridge, mid event is moving two power cores to power trains to get out of the way and

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Uh.. I don't even remember the end because I haven't seen it in so long LOL

hybrid plover
narrow frost
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thats riser

hybrid plover
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silo is the map with the staircase at the start with absolutely no cover

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in the torrent

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most of that map is very closed in and narrow

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and the spawns come at you from both sides constantly

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and there's a lot of little spaces to fall through

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so dodging isn't even reliable sometimes

brittle turret
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Oh wait I began talking about ascension riser because I needed to do a penanance on it

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Silo is the one with bridge of doom

umbral scaffold
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oh yea im not a big fan of that

brittle turret
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The thing with Silo is

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the start and end are aids

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Because of the lack of cover, if you don't have bubble it feels kinda iffy

umbral scaffold
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oh crap the weekly contracts had reset

ember folio
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looking for a johnny darktide build
especially where i can deal with snipers properly

jaunty sphinx
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what weapons you wanna use?

ember folio
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definitely stuff to deal with snipers
i dont love shredder autopistol which forces me to mag dump to kill one thing
plasma and bolt guns are so damn unwieldy, i want to have responsive gameplay

narrow frost
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agri shotgun

calm shard
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yeah

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shotgun

narrow frost
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Double barrel also kills at any range with a crit

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kills snipers

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so weapon special

tame cliff
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I like doing infinite las build

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Its gimmicky but fun

ember folio
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double barrel weapon special? what mark then?

narrow frost
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special the keystone

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gurenteed crit

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so you can 1 tap snipers any range

ember folio
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oh specialist i see

jaunty sphinx
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the strat is to use weapon specialist to reload the gun, shoot your current target with a fat crit, then swap back to melee to get weapon spec stacks and repeat. really fun

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you need 3-4 stacks for a guaranteed crit so keep that in mind

ember folio
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ads for shots?

jaunty sphinx
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nah

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only if you need to nuke something

ember folio
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on doubleshotty?

jaunty sphinx
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ye

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im using coles build rn lemme get it

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swap the melee for whatever you want honestly, I run shovel cause I like it

ember folio
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interesante
i take it melees arent a huge deal

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lol there it is

jaunty sphinx
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oh they are but carapace is what the kraks are for

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melee is half your build, thats how weapon specialist works

ember folio
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well yes melee is used heavily but the specific weapon isnt super static

jaunty sphinx
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ye

ember folio
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got a pal who uses devils claw religiously

calm shard
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where's your precision strikes

jaunty sphinx
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not my build

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nor is it gospel

tame lodge
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Yeah it's Cole's

jaunty sphinx
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I posted it as a guideline

tame lodge
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Cole doesn't know how to build

jaunty sphinx
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cause I was trying it out

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no precision strikes is wack but it works for him ig

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I cant argue with the results

hollow ibex
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not worth 2 points tbf

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precision strikes is worth 1 point

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but if you have to spend 2 to get it... eh

jaunty sphinx
ember folio
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so now im stuck deciding on melees
power sword, tac axe, maybe devils claw (sweet sweet parry)
never tried shovel

hybrid plover
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there actually are better options those two points can go to since db doesn't benefit from precision strikes much

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and shovel already hits hard with decimator stacks

ember folio
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are the perks and blessings correct here?

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hollow ibex
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yeah as a starting point

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there's a lot of ways to build agri

slow sky
heavy rover
slow sky
bold sierra
# umbral scaffold jeez

they are slower tho, a bit, and the pox cloud is a non-issue most of the times....but yeah, they do spawn more, and more resiliant to ranged dmg, but the resistance decreases as their HP lowers

umbral scaffold
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does the pox cloud

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damage your toughness or

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jacks up your corruption

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or both

slow sky
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But only toughness if you have any

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The cloud is tiny and lasts only a few seconds though

bold sierra
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it's mostly just a tad bit of annoyance, most of the times you fight them you're already moving backwards away from the cloud anyway

heavy rover
jaunty sphinx
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It's stupidly good

heavy rover
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it's hilarious

jaunty sphinx
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I've been running shovel for the past week and it's been carrying me

heavy rover
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when I get bored of power sword I switch to shovel

jaunty sphinx
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I'm always bored of psword

slow sky
bold sierra
slow sky
jaunty sphinx
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Thing swings like a knife with it and weapons spec

bold sierra
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i wish chainsword has thunderous xD

slow sky
jaunty sphinx
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Mhm

slow sky
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And the atk speed to stack it quickly on a single target

jaunty sphinx
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Which only gets ramped up with uncanny and decimator

slow sky
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(Decimator is local power, not global so it has no effect on bleed)

jaunty sphinx
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Ah

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Just uncanny then

hybrid plover
bold sierra
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I love running green shovel with uncanny and thrust

slow sky
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Its melee_power_level_modifier

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So it only applies to melee attacks

bold sierra
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honestly whenever I run shovel in Havoc, I mostly run the green folding one

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honestly what is the point of the blue folding shovel anyway

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maybe I gotta check its stats again

slow sky
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Which tintin has been shilling it to me and I took a look again at it yesterday and its moveset is way mkre comfortable than I remember it being

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It also has an overhead in its light combo, which individually deals the highest light attack damage out of all the lights across all mks

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But has cleavey lights in there too

bold sierra
slow sky
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The push attack is also the same effectively, just a different animation for it

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My personal peeve is just losing the stab stagger for a latching attack, which I've never been a fan of

hollow ibex
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mk3 shovel?

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it's based

slow sky
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Its why I never fucked with chain weapons

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But ill give it a try at some point

hollow ibex
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the mk3 shovel's latch is really fast

bold sierra
# hollow ibex mk3 shovel?

got good horizontal high cleave lights and good single target on the special with guaranteed stagger, what's not to like

slow sky
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I just dont know when id use a fold attack when its Pa>lightspam is so good and safe

hollow ibex
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but it's still a fun weapon

bold sierra
bold sierra
hollow ibex
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i'm neutral about that bh

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because you can toggle it

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whereas if you unintentionally rev with a chain weapon you gotta switch it away to stop

bold sierra
hollow ibex
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and toggline means you can just get ready for a crusher or something and notw orry about timers

hollow ibex
bold sierra
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lowkey screwed me a few times vs horde xD

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but other than that, it's solid

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I wish it folds back when switching tbh, the folding anim is fast af anyway.

calm shard
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it can one shot maulers if it crits

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on a light folding attack

bold sierra
slow sky
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See id probably still use the 7 due to the base moveset

bold sierra
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does its push-follow deal the same dmg as mk1 tho?

slow sky
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It should

umbral scaffold
brittle turret
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Doing whata exactl;y

umbral scaffold
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different color texts

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etc

umbral scaffold
crisp oak
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did they buff trappers stagger res or something?

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in the last couple of patches

stuck gorge
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i understand now why the cutthroat vet shouts for cadia so much, its because they love the doggo

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tall torrent
crisp oak
# tall torrent No

weird must have gotten some tanky trappers (didnt get staggered by shovel special)

narrow frost
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did you hit the head

crisp oak
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yeah

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should I not have?

tall torrent
crisp oak
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I was kissing them

tall torrent
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No other enemies nearby?

crisp oak
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no walkers to eat it

tall torrent
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Prob just bad netcode then

crisp oak
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yeah

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be like that sometimes

tall torrent
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Or that ur special hit the trapper after they fired the net onto u

crisp oak
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I got 2 lights after

tall torrent
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Netcode / hit detection then

crisp oak
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and trapper dies to bleed as they shot

calm shard
distant plaza
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the mk1 shovel has been slowly growing on me
still don't like being reliant on kraks to deal with armor
but it is convenient to just delete a few crushers with a throw or two

calm shard
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Mk1 shovel isn't reliant on kraks to kill armor though?

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just like

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smack em

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if you actually have uncanny stacked you can 3 shot them

crisp oak
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or just 3 push attacks

calm shard
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just push attack

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would open with push attack if you had skullcrusher tho

crisp oak
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anyway time to figure out a ranged build that doesnt sacrifice too much of my melee

calm shard
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but I've been preferring decimator these days xd

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Mk 3 shovel's moveset isn't half bad and can kill crushers real good

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If you wanna give that a shot

crisp oak
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same with mk7

calm shard
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Has no way to quickly stagger ragers tho so better be a good dodger

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but y'know it can just whallop a crusher if you use your abilit for damage

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distant plaza
# calm shard

👀
maybe i should be opening with that PA more often then
i keep reflexively using heavies when i should be PA->LA etc

mystic lodge
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what are the best blessings and perks for Agripinaa vigilant autogun?

calm shard
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yeah for Mk1 shovel the best single target is push attack

distant plaza
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but i also run uncanny+skullcrusher, not decimator

calm shard
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well obviously if you use skullcrusher you have to do special firsty

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so you can stagger

crisp oak
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first stab at a las soldier build (uses recon, ilas, or laspistol)

tall torrent
mystic lodge
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alright thanks

distant plaza
crisp oak
hybrid plover
crisp oak
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even for recon?

hybrid plover
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yes. 25 toughness is a big deal

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you'd be using rending strikes for crushers really and it doesn't do enough to justify actually taking it

crisp oak
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then is dropping skirmisher worth it to get 40 more toughness?

hybrid plover
slow sky
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with the safety of the stab basically letting you whack them for free half the time

jaunty sphinx
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Getting used to shotgun more, this is really cozy

narrow frost
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the best reason why I take the 1st havoc reqest from party finder

hollow ibex
distant plaza
slow sky
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yea

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it is a forced stagger if theyre not in a stagger cooldown

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when i say forced i more mean it has a 100x impact multiplier on weakspot lmao

crisp oak
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its the anti rager move

calm shard
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not even a knockdown or heavy stagger

crisp oak
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would be broken if it did knockdown

calm shard
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deimos force sword

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actually that's probably not a winning argument

slow sky
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ill be honest
the stagger system is a mystery to me

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i just know that the shovel stab has a 100x multi
and taxe special has a 1000x multi

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i dont think that translates into stagger level, but rather the ability TO stagger

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such as stopping a mutant in their tracks, both of which they can do

calm shard
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anyways

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shock maul buffs when

hollow ibex
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when we get a maul-focused class

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... oh wait

calm shard
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or WILD IDEA

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dclaw sword getting a real damage buff

crisp oak
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devil claw gets uncanny strikes

calm shard
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or like

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replace one of its 3 completely useless impact blessings with uuuh

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slaughterer or smth

meager echo
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No Ds allowed thumbsup_ogryn

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rigid pilot
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Any other gun other than plasma in havoc loregryn

meager echo
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Plasma gun = play to win, anything else = for fun. Depend on your lobbies.

verbal token
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I think all the lasgun/laspistol variants can work very well if you build them right. Bolters are also a good alternative to the plasma gun.

jaunty sphinx
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I did it.

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dapper coyote
# jaunty sphinx I did it.

Hadron, Play My Way by Frank Sinatra.

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jaunty sphinx
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all it took was patience and also stealing cole's build

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shotgun too good

dapper coyote
slow sky
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I JUST WANT TO PLAY SOME BASIC ASS AURIC

dapper coyote
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Its great, its just VERY violent

slow sky
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my internet dropped to 3mbps from 600 on my first auric of the night for no reason

rigid pilot
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I love playing my uncanny knife Double barrel on aurics

slow sky
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why knife when shobel

rigid pilot
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Fast

slow sky
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so is shobel

rigid pilot
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Shtab crushers in angry ogryns

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Boss dps

slow sky
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so can shobel

rigid pilot
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But they moved my Stam regen delay to shooting tree

slow sky
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shobel do anything

rigid pilot
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Why did they do this

slow sky
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they baked one in

rigid pilot
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Kill them

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I need both though Sitgryn

slow sky
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youd already be going to the left tree for it before anyway

rigid pilot
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Perhaps

jaunty sphinx
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shovel good I cleared my first 40 with it

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I would have damaged higher but I got captain shield glitched twice LMAO

slow sky
jaunty sphinx
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ITS INSANE DUDE

slow sky
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the rare circumstance where good and fun collide like an atomic bomb

jaunty sphinx
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literally I did like 3 aurics w the shotty to warm up before going back to havoc and just instantly cleared

slow sky
tall torrent
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first off cole's description is not fully accurate

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it has a 0.0001 stagger resistance override on hitting weakspot

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which would be smth like 10000x stronger stagger

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however this doesn't matter for stagger check 1 (stagger vs reduction)

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u still need to beat stagger check 1 for it to go into stagger check 2

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and I'm pretty sure it also has a hard coded stagger stage where it can only put enemies into that stage and none else

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which is why it can't heavy stagger any enemy

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almost every attack that does bonkers stagger resistance override has smth like that

hollow ibex
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fucking hell this was painful

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145 specials / 93 disablers killed

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was just constantly shooting the entire match because nobody on the team gave a shit about specials

primal zealot
surreal rune
sharp epoch
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there we have it buff plasma

hollow ibex
hollow ibex
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wasn't really paying attention, too busy killing trappers/bombers/flamers/etc.

red portal
hollow ibex
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it was pretty bad

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3 guys left at the start

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i clutched, only to find that they had all left when i got to the rescue totem

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literally the first rescue totem

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3 replacements came in

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1 more left

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then he got replaced by the ogryn

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the remaining guys stayed, to their credit lol

hybrid plover
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i forgot that people just dont give a shit about specialists in auric

slow sky
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yeah i typically dont care about the things ive killed already too

hybrid plover
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i was playing shroud relic zealot and i had to basically be a veteran with how many specialists i had to go and kill 😭

slow sky
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thats why auric felt weird

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i forgot to change my build back after looking at the mk7 shovels damage vs mk1

jaunty sphinx
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Is it an option I missed or something

hollow ibex
jaunty sphinx
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Ty

hollow ibex
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you'll need both

jaunty sphinx
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Patch for a plugin for a mod

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I love mods

hollow ibex
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lol yup

hybrid plover
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i yearn for a day where purge staff is nerfed to the ground so my worries of being blown off the map by a psyker are

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mildly sated

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but i know it will never come

jaunty sphinx
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are you fr right now

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spark helm
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Lottery get.

mortal aspen
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check

jaunty sphinx
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it is

mortal aspen
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poga

jaunty sphinx
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68/72

mortal aspen
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yeah but the ideal is 69 71

jaunty sphinx
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still works

mortal aspen
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68 72 has a chance to be perfect, but not guaranteed afaik

jaunty sphinx
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iirc its the same amout of shots

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how many is perfect again

mortal aspen
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8

jaunty sphinx
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Yup! just tested again, its perfect

mortal aspen
hybrid plover
jaunty sphinx
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POGGGGGGGGG

hybrid plover
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since that's the highest possible charge rate with 8 shots

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the difference is marginal but ye

spark helm
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Lucky number 8.

#

Time for me to waste all of my money at brunt's

#

I'm gonna go broke again (probably). Fuck yeah.

hybrid plover
#

I am having

#

a little too much fun with shroudfield relic zealot tbh

spark helm
#

The Shroudfield Renewal was merely a matter of time. All return to the dark from whence they came.

hybrid plover
#

Has it happened? Have I gone back to my roots?

spark helm
#

Now, for the rest of such splendor to be beseeched through the Infiltrate Reinstatement Program...

spark helm
#

And Cool Guys® like to lie about what they think is cool. We all know. We been known. Some just refuse to embrace the swag just waiting around the corner, crouched near some dusty garbage bin or whatever 40k has going on.

#

things are different now. Put the shroudfield on. You know that shit makes you happy.

silver patrol
#

no thank you, i'm going to smite

spark helm
#

Smite's cool too.

#

I don't always do it, but when I do, I enjoy my time. One of my favorite fuck around psyker builds is just running juiced up smite, flame staff and...forgot what my horde creature melee choices were that weren't fgs.

silver patrol
#

scrier smite

spark helm
#

And like shriek. Just quadrupling down on shitting all over hordes. Cyclical redundancies.

spark helm
silver patrol
#

not smitemaxxing enough

spark helm
#

Well the idea with that build is to just always be ready to tell a horde to eat shit.

#

But I'm aware of the scrier smite antics. Just haven't done it yet.

slow sky
meager echo
sudden cedar
#

Classic, "we have more bodies than you have ammunition"

slow sky
#

well cuz its plasma

#

not the most ammo efficient gun in the world

#

when youre shooting target to target, at least

meager echo
#

In my sv, if you play vet, you are expected to solo all the specials. Taking anything other than smoke is really annoying.

slow sky
#

thats kind of a ridiculous expectation

meager echo
#

It is, that's why I prefer rock on ogryn. And sometimes, psyker with fast brain burst node is a saint to me.

sudden cedar
#

I can respect that, even if it is indeed ridiculous, because the other options would probably be better

#

A rock is a single target kill at best

slow sky
#

yeah but its valued for a reason
same with throwing knives

sudden cedar
#

while boxes and nukes provide stagger and clear space for the rest of the team

slow sky
#

ogryns are particularly the most vulnerable to specialist tbh

#

so then having an instant go fuck yourself button in their back pocket for any that roll up on them is never a bad thing

#

like with how quickly they can flip your situation, everyone should have the potential to be able to handle them, and do so when they can

#

i just went to look at the asia teams out of curiousity

meager echo
#

The only thing I dislike about my sv is the gatekeeping of off-meta builds. Apart from that, most of them are very chill and highly skilled. No toxic or blaming at all.

#

or they blame me in mandarin KEKW_ogryn

hybrid plover
#

shroudfield relic blade is so fun in h40 actually

slow sky
hybrid plover
#

what i was not expecting

slow sky
hybrid plover
#

was how absolutely stupid grievous wounds and punishment is together

slow sky
spark helm
#

got bored. fuck it. melee generalist build ig? Something that can really just work with anything when I want to turn my brain off and smack shit.

dapper coyote
#

I got abandoned by these FUCKERS constantly.

-# my life be like ooooaahhhhh, ooooaahhhhh.

#

No ammo?
Double dips?
Speedrunners?

All in one go-to-package.
-# bought you by Hallowette's Definitely-Not-Stolen-Off-Corpses Cosmetics shop.

burnt pelican
tame lodge
#

You mainly use it for grenades

#

The alternative is buffing it the fuck up

#

And finally reaching groaner breakpoint

reef island
unreal nova
#

The top most end will literally casually tear through anything. But then the rest will make you cough blood.

dapper coyote
#

My havoc either goes with

Decent and existing team mates or
ABANDON THE SHIP EVEN BEFORE IT SETS SAIL GUYS

#

Mmm

tame lodge
dapper coyote
reef island
# unreal nova Is more, you get the 1% easy game. Anything else is Hell.

Hahaha not to diss on them but they are playing a different game sometimes, they expect everyone to speed run as normal.

Tho tbf, I've met many that's actually decent and good team work, tho it does help more if you can actually communicate. As someone stuck in asain servers, can't be too choosy

sudden cedar
#

Are asian servers really that bad?

unreal nova
reef island
sudden cedar
#

Sounds like nothing special.

#

How about leavers?

reef island
#

Strangely I met a lot of good folks on damnation and auric. Heresy tho ... I don't even know what's going on there a lot of the time. Harder than auric even

reef island
#

Some mite do you a favor and leave when ye type English in the chat too

sudden cedar
#

Well that is to be expected. Heresy is the spot where you first get punished for mistakes, so everyone who is capable of overcoming that, will get to Damnation and Auric, everyone else will just continue to suck

reef island
#

Yea, the game's difficulty spikes in heresy, wish they made it more gradual somehow

#

Clandestine Gloriana is an amazing map to test players on too

sudden cedar
#

Does not help that most people will just leave when they die instead of watching the ones who survived and learn from it.

#

But i guess it is simply a different mindset

#

Mistakes and failures are great teachers

#

If you are willing to listen

#

Gloriana is horrible at the beginning, especially when you have a Rumbler Ogryn.

reef island
#

It's lovely

sudden cedar
#

The amount of barrels that will detonate...

reef island
#

I love chucking nades all over the place from the pipe to get rid of those barrels and watch some heretics fly

sudden cedar
#

Most of the time the Ogryns are oblivious to what they do

reef island
#

That's why we watch the big man🤣

sudden cedar
#

I tend to stay back at the start of Gloriana and watch with excitement when someone gets blown of the map

#

Because they didnt pay attention

#

That also goes for the mid event, which most people just have no idea what to do.

serene bough
#

1 more day to the class reveal this is exciting

safe epoch
#

Boys, I've been doing some Havocs recently, and I like the revolver, but more times than not the team gets overwhelmed by gunners (regular and elites), should I change for another ranged option like an autogun or boltor?

surreal rune
#

with executioner stance

#

i wouldnt recommend either the bolter or bolt pistol because

#

for the frequency of enemies, you cant afford to simply spend so much ammo so inefficiently

#

one mostly uses the bolter against bosses or hordes of armored elites (not crushers)

safe epoch
surreal rune
#

it has a normal firing mode if you dont charge

#

just like the infantry lasgun

#

with shocktrooper, the hellbore has great ammo economy because it has guaranteed crits with surgical

#

you can also take weight of fire to make the charge much faster when firing much

safe epoch
#

Noted, ty.

gritty mural
#

The Hellbore is not a easy weapon to use so don't go trying it in havoc automatically

surreal rune
#

but

#

it really struggles against armor

#

and it doesnt have a lot of ammo, even if you are one shotting everything you should be killing

viscid sparrow
surreal rune
#

rotten armor yeah

serene bough
#

You can pump the mk IV to do great carapace damage but overall i wouldn't waste time shooting carapace

#

I like mkIII more

tall torrent
undone jungle
#

what perks/blessings for mk5 dsword

hollow ibex
void dragon
#

ok, why some players just seems to refuse to tag enemies? when there is low visibility they dont do it to see better, when they have weapons that arent good long range they dont to let dedicated snipers do the shot, when they are downed and have NOTHING better to do than tag the flamer that is cooking them or the trapper that is nearby, some just REFUSE to do it!

tall torrent
sudden cedar
#

Ignorance, perhaps.

#

Although iam surprised you have people who wait out being downed. For me they just leave.

void dragon
sudden cedar
#

Yeah sometimes they don't pay attention at all

void dragon
#

idk, im wired to recognize a downed team member as top priority to get it back in a fight, do people want his share of the enemies added to the bunch of ragers that are already eating them?

sudden cedar
#

Probably.

#

It could be simple incompetence and panicking

gentle lake
#

Yeah don't rush to res someone

#

A desperate attempt like that can get you killed

tame cliff
gentle lake
#

Than you're down two players

fair shale
#

If they died they're not going anywhere(less they quit)

void dragon
tame cliff
#

I was 2 shotting crushers when some zealot accused me of not charging my shots 😂😂

gentle lake
void dragon
tame cliff
#

I just like to rp and krieg gun go brrrr and it has a cool bayonet charge thingy

#

I love the using your gun as a melee gimmick its just goofy asf

sudden cedar
#

I find it weird that this is even a thing to complain about. How would the Zealot know anyway?

tame cliff
#

We died midway that run so he was just tilted and lashing out i assume

void dragon
tame cliff
#

I didnt even reply it was not worth it for some rando who's obviously having a bad day

sudden cedar
#

If he has time to notice that the Veteran is not charging shots, what is the Zealot doing anyway? And if he was dead, how is he in a position to complain?

gentle lake
#

You're supposed to charge shots w plassy?

sudden cedar
#

We talk about Helbore, don't we?

tame cliff
#

No we talking about lasguns

gentle lake
#

I found that with my build I just need to get my shit to 100% then just spam m1

#

I'm like psyker but better

sudden cedar
#

You are not better than Psyker.

gentle lake
#

Yea I am

#

A number goes up that could very easily kill me

fair shale
#

Morally superior but not numerically

sudden cedar
tame cliff
#

The only thing better than psyker is two psykers lets be real tho

gentle lake
#

As long as I don't fucking charge up my shot at 100% I'll be fine!!!

#

I love 50% crit chance!!

tame cliff
#

I do that on my pskyer except i suicide bomb the heretics to not take damage when I splod

#

Its very satisfying

void dragon
tame cliff
sudden cedar
#

Crystalline Will is a complete meme tho KEKW_ogryn

gentle lake
#

People genuinely hate psyker more than arby now it seems

void dragon
tall torrent
sudden cedar
#

Well truth be told, i had a very interesting Scab Only Melee Brawl.. and there was a Psyker who just deleted everything.

tall torrent
#

Also lore accurate

gentle lake
sudden cedar
#

Not very fun anymore.

void dragon
tame cliff
sudden cedar
#

I can appreciate some good meme builds. Most of the time people suck with them tho.

tame cliff
#

Thats fair its a meme build for a reason 😂

void dragon
#

there is no meme

gentle lake
#

The crystalline focus mod should be in game

void dragon
#

get gut or die

sudden cedar
#

get gut or ALTF4

#

Because they don't die, they just leave KEKW_ogryn

gentle lake
void dragon
sudden cedar
#

I had that in one mission. They died and left. All three of them.

#

In quick succession.

tame cliff
#

I just added it to my soulburn build and took wound curios and now i face tank everything while spraying fire and blocking projectiles with my magic sword. Real wizard shit 👌😎

sudden cedar
#

Took the fun out of everything.

sly orchid
#

still clutched tho

tame cliff
#

And when I do happen to explode it usually kills something fancy so my purging continues

sudden cedar
#

I would have loved such a situation trying to clutch it out but.. uhm.. no, they just leave, leaving me with stupid bots who can't do anything.

void dragon
tame cliff
#

I only leave games when I load in and realize i didnt load up SM 2 😂

gentle lake
#

How do I play veteran

#

Do I like

#

Vet my shit

#

Do I just spam voc and walk away

#

Should I shoot barrels next to my teammates

tall torrent
gentle lake
#

Yes

tall torrent
azure narwhal
#

Ah yes, the build

random basin
#

what is a good vetern build for new players to the game ? and weapons

tall torrent
#

Weapon depends on what ur playstyle is

random basin
tall torrent
random basin
tall torrent
#

Stance turns u into veteran pro max plus

#

VoC gives ur team better survivability vs random bs

dapper coyote
earnest dew
# gentle lake How do I play veteran

Shoot any special or elite that dares to have a pulse(or non pulse in nurgles sense). Bonus points if you shoot the special while the pysker is brain bursting the special.

dapper coyote
spark helm
tall torrent
#

Inf las & vig auto want rending strikes

#

Revolver, boltpistol & shotguns want always prepared

#

In both cases prob drop tinkerer? Unless havoc

#

Wouldn’t run boltgun with this

surreal rune
#

cutthroat vet seems actually happy with a savant psyker on the team

hybrid plover
#

Cutthroat appreciates work ethic I've noticed

surreal rune
#

ive yet to see much of it but it also seems as though the cutthroat vet and maul arbites also

#

get along

#

or at least dont bicker

sudden cedar
#

Cutthroat likes Cadians. What a surprise.

hollow ibex
#

Now that I think about it

#

Idr the last time I saw a professional vet

#

It’s always cutthroat or loose cannon

tame lodge
#

I swapped to Fem Cut because I rarely saw them

spark helm
hollow ibex
#

Wat

spark helm
#

Cutthroat as a personality is very concerned with staying in line and constantly is on that tip. Savant routinely runs PR for enforcers and imperium protocol. They get alone very well along those lines.

#

They're also the Most Serious™ of their respective class personalities.

#

Dorks that like being pigs and like looking up to bigger pigs.

hollow ibex
#

lol

#

I think you’re misunderstanding cutthroat

#

He’s there to do a job

surreal rune
hollow ibex
#

That’s it

spark helm
hollow ibex
#

I mean if you want a goody two shoes. That’s professional.

spark helm
hollow ibex
#

Cutthroat is more chaotic

spark helm
hollow ibex
#

He’s just looking for a place to die

spark helm
#

Cutthroat definitely loves this.

hollow ibex
#

Well not quite that dramatic

#

But he’s def not a bootlicker

spark helm
#

It's their only outlet they care about at this point. They've given up.

surreal rune
#

cutthroat likely has hardened his soldiering persona after the fall of cadia

spark helm
#

Well yeah that one's clear.

surreal rune
#

trauma response? but it likely comes from an already established persona

#

actually

spark helm
#

How different is cadian culture from other parts of whatever is going on in 40k lore? Besides getting blown up

surreal rune
#

being an elite, well trained, and disciplined shocktroop

#

i think?

hollow ibex
hollow ibex
tame lodge
#

Born and raised on a fortress
Bordering a huge Warp phenomena

surreal rune
#

"cadia was so strong and well trained, but it fell apart."

#

thus the cutthroat goes between states of idolizing to retain some sparse pride

#

or despairing over the fact that it fell with such great defenses, and also losing hope or motivation in the defense against similar threats

spark helm
#

I need to go through their voice lines for different archetypes to see how they react to each other dying.

surreal rune
#

"if it happened to cadia and they were so strong, none of you will stand a chance"

vestal olive
#

whenever cadia is mentioned it feels hamfisted

tall torrent
surreal rune
#

cutthroat reminds me a lot of some real veterans, fortunately or unfortunately

#

growing up into and idolizing warrior culture

#

and then that warrior culture falls or is seen to be flawful

spark helm
#

And you gotta be very much down for the shits for that disillusionment to be so devastating. Beyond other hellish trauma that you get from war.

surreal rune
#

also, coupled with personal loss within that culture

tall torrent
#

You can basically sum cutthroat’s whole personality as “they don’t need to win, they just need to make the enemy lose”

#

Probably the most suicidal of the 3 vet personalities

spark helm
#

Death spiral lamentations absolutely. They don't see themselves nor anyone else as anything else but expendable.

#

What's that one line before hordes or something?

#

"Don't focus on staying alive. Only focus on killing and you might make it"

#

Something like that

tall torrent
#

Yea

#

I have no idea how one can interpret cutthroat as some sort of guy totally obedient to laws and what not

#

He’s the only veteran personality to constantly clash with arbitrators on a serious level

#

LC jokes about it but CT means it

spark helm
tall torrent
spark helm
#

That would be part of the professional, yes. Adherence to the orthodoxy. Compared to the more loud contrast like loose cannon.

#

Granted loose cannon is just flagrantly the "worst" soldier

#

Pretty sure they even have a line where they use uh. Those little callout codes wrong.

#

Like the one time they do cite one.

tall torrent
#

(They’ve never used them right)

spark helm
#

Pfft

#

That's even better

#

Holy shit

#

"TRAXIS-uhh...something--KILL IT"

#

An edit with whatever those headsets vet has would be cheeky.

#

Paste a shitty crop of a mk1 shovel to replace the cup.

calm shard
#

they have one where they THINK they got a code correct about...trappers I think?

#

Where they incorrectly identify them as a Traxis 12

#

There are no enemies in game that are Traxis 12

stuck gorge
#

aren’t they like really enthusiastic after screaming out traxis 12

calm shard
#

yeah

tall torrent
calm shard
#

Okay pal which enemy is it they incorrectly shout Traxis 12 about then

#

I know the voiceline exists I just can't remember which enemy it's for

tall torrent
#

LC incorrectly calls gunner/reaper Traxis-12

stuck gorge
calm shard
#

It's gunners?

#

That voiceline is so rare

slow sky
#

i am vindicated so hard rn

tame lodge
#

Gaslighting people into playing shovel

slow sky
stuck gorge
#

people need gaslit to use shovel?

tame lodge
#

bonk.sfx gaslighting people into playing shovel

hybrid plover
#

tbf it's far better than it used to be by proxy of vet's tree changes

slow sky
narrow frost
#

this works too

tame lodge
#

The difference between Cole's thumbnails and Ainzs thumbnail

stuck gorge
#

I just use shovel because it’s funny

tame lodge
#

Is hilarious

narrow frost
#

lol

hybrid plover
#

cole is actually on subject and to the point

slow sky
hybrid plover
#

ainz thumbnail reminds me of the HATEFUL music video from HEALTH and I'm okay with that

slow sky
#

i know i can do it i just havent bothered

tame lodge
#

And that day Ainz will make a normal one

spark helm
#

Mk1 shovel always fun. Simple weapon that feels good to use with tons of versatility to itself.

#

It was my baby originally before I unlocked combat knives and power sword back then.

#

I like it when default weapons can be used in higher levels.

surreal rune
#

and for that they hold much pride in it

#

and will uphold it and chastise others for lacking it

slow sky
tame lodge
#

Geeked out vs locked in (they're both having fun)

surreal rune
#

the maul also respects prowess and excellence in duty

#

and thus they hold mutual respect for each other

#

although the maul still chastises the cutthroat

#

mm, perhaps, too

#

the arbitrators choose not to pursue confrontation with the cutthroat due to their obvious personal trauma and sentiments

calm shard
stuck gorge
#

man the fact one of prof vets voicelines makes him woof

slow sky
calm shard
#

hell yeah

stuck gorge
surreal rune
#

woof

stuck gorge
#

Woof.

fair shale
#

Like damn bro

hybrid plover
#

Is that it's professional and not loose cannon

fair shale
#

Tbh I thought it was cadian

#

Ik Fatalist grills Cadian all the time

tall torrent
#

can't tell which personalities are in these 2

#

the sanction one is fem maul I think

#

the first is fem fatalist?

fair shale
#

Sanction is fem maul

#

First is

#

Yeah fem fatalist

#

Cause fem auth is devora wilde and thats defo not her

hybrid plover
#

First is fem authoritian

#

You can tell because she's actually trying to be positive

#

Fatalist never does that.

fair shale
#

Nah Fatalist approves of things on occasion

serene bough
#

For top vid

tall torrent
serene bough
#

Fem maul is my favorite arby personality

crisp oak
slow sky
crisp oak
#

fair

#

I... avoid havoc

slow sky
#

outside of that, kraks are just "FUCK YOU BULWARK YOU BLOCKING MY PERFECT SHOT"

crisp oak
#

it sorta seemed like in the video that when blobs of armor came you pretty much got at least one extra krak off per blob spam (from demo team)

slow sky
#

yeah

#

yknow ngl i always forget that that node you wanna swap with also is ogryns

#

i always look at that node as the boss one

crisp oak
#

fair

#

I think it lowers the light spam requirements by 1-2 hits on auric crushers

woeful wedge
#

laspistol or lasgun?

crisp oak
#

assuming that would probably be more on havoc crushers

tame lodge
slow sky
#

assuming youre talking about infantry las and not any of the other 2 guns labeled as lasguns

woeful wedge
#

Ye

thin stone
#

But I'm a noob tbf

tame lodge
#

It enables Hsword

#

So that's a win

slow sky
thin stone
#

Yeh

thin stone
#

Hate sword?

slow sky
#

the fuse decrease, +1 base capacity, merging of 2 grenade nodes, and easy access to literally every single one of them has made them super valuable

tame lodge
slow sky
#

heavy sword

thin stone
#

Ok

slow sky
#

good weapon but severe weakness into armor

thin stone
#

I hate psword

#

I keep forgetting to charge it

#

And start spamming lights

#

Crushers are annoying af

woeful wedge
faint beacon
#

It’s- meh

thin stone
#

Falchion is good imo, I like it, people here keep saying it's mid

thin stone
faint beacon
#

Falchion is mid sadly it has a lot of issues

#

But it’s not unplayable

thin stone
#

Why don't we get a falchion buff

#

Make it viable like relic blade

faint beacon
#

That’s the issue

#

Too much it’s instantly OP

calm shard
#

falchion kinda blows

faint beacon
#

Why I’ve stated it needs small handful of buffs

#

And an actually meaningful blessing option

calm shard
#

falchion is bad enough that I don't think major buffs to it are unwarranted

#

it badly needs better carapace damage

faint beacon
#

Mine is just ADM adjustments and stagger increases

woeful wedge
#

I think it's around relic.
Like
Evi <-> Relic
Chs <-> pf

faint beacon
spark helm
# surreal rune and will uphold it and chastise others for lacking it

Was out for a minute because of what I had to take care but that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. They're still beholding themselves to that kind of attitude, just entirely focused on one aspect of the imperium's skullduggery. I'd say that the main difference there beyond a hard "by the book" type, they're more focused on the "we need to be good cracked out grunts".

tame lodge
hollow ibex
thin stone
#

The PS6 + Recon Lasgun combo only works till the recon lasgun for me

#

The build that you gave me

tall torrent
thin stone
#

Ok

spark helm
tall torrent
thin stone
spark helm
#

And what's tripping you up on ps6?

thin stone
#

That's me

tall torrent
woeful wedge
#

Recon it's meh for me >~<

tall torrent
#

I was actually thinking maybe its push atks need diff atk templates

#

Change them to use the heavy atk templates

#

And give it better first target damage on strikedown atks

#

And better stagger

#

And prob give it better move speed curve when charging heavy atks too

#

Unpowered atks also need changes

#

It can really use a lot

woeful wedge
#

Fire stacks? It's like + 400dps? meh

spark helm
thin stone
#

Yes

spark helm
#

Like keeping your rhythm on it?

thin stone
#

Yes

#

I am practicing

tall torrent
#

like

thin stone
tall torrent
spark helm
#

Try buffering the input for block canceling the charge after your l1 > l2 > l3 combo.

thin stone
#

Lol

tall torrent
#

power sword is a rhythm & position dependent melee

red robin
tall torrent
red robin
#

Does the added impact help with breakpoints?

tall torrent
crisp oak
#

my issue with psword is I get m,yself into stupid situations

spark helm
#

So like the moment you hit the three, charge. While charging hold the block button. It'll take a sec but if you do it like that and see that little moment after the sword is lowered from blocking you just loop back to l1/2/3.

tall torrent
spark helm
#

Make up a beat for yourself.

crisp oak
red robin
tall torrent
spark helm
#

So from charged state for example, one two three charge > block (release) 1 2 3

red robin
#

My b confused them

tall torrent
spark helm
#

And keep that idea in your mind.

crisp oak
#

serrated does work now

tall torrent
spark helm
#

You can practice the act of buffering your block by just spamming charge to get the timing on block canceling the charge.

tall torrent
#

shovel does not exclude itself from that list

crisp oak
#

honestly shovel is one of the better weapons vs ragers

#

cuz poke

spark helm
#

Block canceling will always reset you to your opening melee between light and heavy.

tall torrent
#

only 1 target

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and not a high dmg hit

tame lodge
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#nooticing

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like I said it's vs multiple ragers

crisp oak
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there are like 4 weapons that are "good" vs multiple ragers

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everything else is getting failing grades

torn moat
crisp oak
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ironically a mk7 shovel is a good choice

tall torrent
red robin
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What percent is decimator stacked fully?

tall torrent
crisp oak
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since with like 1 thrust stack you can oneshot one

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special dodge, special dodge

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Shredder Autopistol still bad for vet?