veteran-class

[sudden cedar]

That is just one way of how they make Drukhari respawn.

[fair shale]

Aye

[fair shale]

@hybrid plover you're the Taxe vet enjoyer right?

[calm shard]

who isn't a taxe vet enjoyer these days

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/nabzzino-nabzz-nabz-nabbz-nabzino-gif-20585627

[distant plaza]

i want to like the tacaxe
but it feels like i need a mod or two to prevent RSI -_-

[hollow ibex]

taxe is unplayable for me without skitarius

[fair shale]

I just know I'm gonna get bored of PS in like

4 ish days

[slow spade]

Ogryn taxe when?

[thin stone]

Did power cycler get nerfed a while back?

From 4 hits down to 2

Cause I swear it used to be 4 or smth

[tall torrent]

Angron is really funny to me

[tall torrent]

If a while means almost 3y ago then yea

[thin stone]

Oh

[void dragon]

That would be shovel, if Taxe were not so good

[night marten]

Pius biggest chad in the imperium.

Muh primarch this and that, nah fam Pius was the man.

[scenic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/once-again-asking-gif-3412784124470260289

I am once again asking for H40 helbore + exe stance build

[slow spade]

Tbh a big axe to chop up enemies would be cool

Definitely not because I worship Khorne :3

[void dragon]

Pick axe wants to fill that role, but we still dream for le bigbbonk hammer

[unique orchid]

Aint gonna find it, helbore is still too slow and there is just too much bullshit in h40

Its more a havoc issue than the bore, though

[scenic basin]

I was told the other day it's not asgood as VoC but still viable alternative

[steep sleet]

On Power Sword, do we prefer mobility or cleave targets as the dumpstat?

[unique orchid]

Either is fine imo, but im not a number cruncher shy

[hollow ibex]

cleave targets is dump

[unique orchid]

Fair, im talking out my ass a little, never tried the helbore in havoc - if youre purely elite sniping im sure the reload and swap buffs and max elite headshot damage is essential

[steep sleet]

Thank you both for the response, was hoping it was cleave because the mobility on this weapon is kinda cheeks

[hollow ibex]

yeah exactly

[unique orchid]

I just use the shovel and middle mark ilas

Unfortunately i am a poor guide haha, though vet is the class ive played most, so im somewhat familiar with the weapons

[cosmic sundial]

What perks should I put on my curios? They’ve got toughness blessings

[steep sleet]

Lol you're fine! Im hoping to climb havoc and just looking for a general consensus on what's good to see if im on the right track with my opinions

[hollow ibex]

Cdr toughness gunner resist sniper resist are the common ones. Might be missing one or two

[slow spade]

If your weapon uses a lot of stamina, I often get stamina regen too

[steep sleet]

Revive speed is great now

Should just change the name to assist speed tho

[unique orchid]

I am of the camp that vet is at their best with VoC popping elites and giving everyone toughness

Build up your teammates so you can knock the enemy down

[slow spade]

Na, they deserve to die because that's more ammo for you to shoot

[cosmic sundial]

Ok thanks

[unique orchid]

I use deadshot shock troop and surv i need a tin or two and im good

[hollow ibex]

Oh yeah I do take one stam regen

[unique orchid]

Something i dont see enough is people with 3 wounds in high diff

I understand the reasoning, i personally just like the extra down just in case

[slow spade]

Wounds are bad though

[trim badger]

If you had more hp or more toughness you'd go down less

[unique orchid]

I dont go down much in the first place, its for worst case

[trim badger]

So the extra coushion of safety takes away safety too

[unique orchid]

The cost of being able go go down 3 times instead of 2 is going down twice instead of once?

[slow spade]

Prevention is always better than preparation

The idea of being prepared to go down implies you will go down. Which is a self-fulfilling prophecy :p

Just get some toughness to avoid chip damage

[unique orchid]

Ive already got plenty

[slow spade]

That's why you go down

You never have enough

[unique orchid]

At some point everyone has been insisting i go down

I do, but its to the rare trapper net, barrel kill, or crusher 2h

Or the inordinately rare "dog no one bothered to get off me"

[slow spade]

You do you but there's a reason why literally no one for 3+ years has ever said "get wounds" outside of Zealots

[unique orchid]

Indeed

[serene bough]

VoC is still better but exe is still a pretty good pick

Only one that really lags behind currently is infiltrate

[fair shale]

I think VoC is easier to use than Exe but Exe has a higher skill ceiling than VoC

[scenic basin]

got a build for it + helbore? for h40

[unique orchid]

Honestly? Would not disagree

[serene bough]

I dony bring helbore into H40 much

[vestal olive]

No

[unique orchid]

Exe requires the ability to click heads through crowds and oncoming swarms, VoC is just... "is everyone nearby?"

[fair shale]

Aye, I think you can get more value outta good Exe use

Im a massive fan of legal wall hacks in all games tho

[vestal olive]

It's completely dependent on the game, its balance, and the interaction of things.

"Prevention is always better than preparation" is false.

[serene bough]

Id probably build something like this (1 point remaining for WS or MMF, mk3 helbore)

[fair shale]

I'll be honest I've never seen a lot of value in effects that require death or one to be close to it personally

[unique orchid]

If someone else has toughness buffs or psyk bubble? I agree, if youre the only one keeping people from getting chunked because "theyre him" i will politely disagree

[serene bough]

Whether or not you use MMF or WS is dependent on how many 1hko breakpoints you achieve, which requires testing i havent done

[fair shale]

My personal viewpoint is that so many classes have good inbuilt survival now vet doesn't have to mother em with piss toughness

[unique orchid]

I play a lot of pubs, so im skewed

[fair shale]

I do too

Infact I would say I do not really have friends to play DT with

[unique orchid]

In fairness youre probably doing damnation with modifiers, im a casual i play heresy or normal damn
Whatever the case i seem to run into all the idiots as its just my luck

[inland orchid]

I got buddies but can only play with them sometimes, they’re roped into other games

[unique orchid]

My vet might be a blank or something, psykers like to pop left right and center... though ive seen less of them do so as of recent

[inland orchid]

A blank would do the inverse effect given you take away their warpyness but what do I know, only blank knowledge I’ve seen was the animated one

[vestal olive]

Before the zealot rework basically everyone and their mother were taking until death +.. whatever the one that heals you after UD.

Despite taxing one node. A node that could have gone elsewhere for "prevention"

Using gold toughness itself is preparation to get hit vs preventing getting hit at all. Yet gold toughness is king.

People are taking revive speed now, etc.

[inland orchid]

Regardless I feel ya, last psyker in my pubs blew themselves up so much

Didn’t help that they were scriers gazing either but ey we made it through the mission

[hollow ibex]

No sympathy for psykers

[unique orchid]

If psykers had more cosmetics that made them look like utter psychopaths i would play psyker more

Mine currently looks like a methhead wizard

[fair shale]

In all fairness revive speed isnt just for actual revives

[serene bough]

The worst havoc game ive played was with 2 smykers on RA+garden

It was like a rave party

[vestal olive]

But also other forms of things that could have been prevented rather than prepared for

[fair shale]

Tbf Wallhacks is great prevention

You can kill things before they ever shoot

[serene bough]

Everyone flashing bright colors and dancing in place with nobody dying due to lack of dps

[unique orchid]

That doesnt sound TOO bad, though im forgetting what garden does

[fair shale]

Healing

Healing Novas

[unique orchid]

Oh they were walking tasers, they didnt swap off to do damage?

[serene bough]

Thats all smyker is more or less

[unique orchid]

I play smite psyker but i understand killing a horde is just as important

I smite shit like disablers and crushers

[serene bough]

smite makes me cry internally

[unique orchid]

Then cry

My psyker is very support-oriented

[serene bough]

Its not very supportive for higher difficulties if there isn't enough dps output

Its also just such a drag to play with

[hollow ibex]

support oriented as in "i will hit everything on the screen, all the time, and everything will die"

[unique orchid]

Burn hordes, smite trouble, shield teammates

Its very stimulating

[narrow frost]

Smite helps and hurts the team in many ways, 1: it can stop the armor horde from cornering you but all classes have on dodge buffs that would make it so the armor gets cleared faster

[hollow ibex]

i don't mind smite if it's used when shit gets really hairy

[narrow frost]

Damage, damage reduction, toughess Regen on dodge

[hollow ibex]

but smiting all game is how most people seem to use it

[narrow frost]

Can't be used with a smite psyker

[unique orchid]

Nah, nah, i dont go full smite

You never go full smite

[hollow ibex]

sounds like a you problem for relying on those crutches 🙂‍↕️

smites even harder

[narrow frost]

And if smite is used for horde clear then it's misused since smite is one of the lowest horde clear on psykers kit

[unique orchid]

I use flame staff for hordes lmao

[serene bough]

I dont find it stimulating when the entire enemy horde just stops and everything is just unable to move

[frigid shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-palpatine-luke-skywalker-shock-gif-13110792

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-of-the-north-star-hokuto-no-ken-hey-as-long-as-it-works-as-long-as-it-works-winging-it-gif-5037582307183355084

(it's so ass)

[unique orchid]

Again, i dont go full smite

[serene bough]

Chorus is kinda similar but at least its only for 6s

And it provides gold toughness

[hollow ibex]

honestly smite would be way cooler if it was like palp lightning

[narrow frost]

Another problem with smite is that it locks the enemy hitbox, so it's way harder to go around them. I don't have a clip ready but we've wiped cause a smite psyker smote the horde and I got trapped

[fair shale]

Smite is cool when you're pretend you're Count Dooku and only whip it out when things get bad imo

[hollow ibex]

instead it just makes heretics dance in place while they're tickled to death

[unique orchid]

Its closer to palp with emp psy but thats emp psy

[serene bough]

Idk how you play, but ive never witnessed a smyker i enjoyed playing with

They all inevitably become smite spam from my experience

[hollow ibex]

they all fall to the dark side

even if they start with the best of intentions

[narrow frost]

Smite psykers in havoc are so funny

The two that I sadly played with were back seating when they died 1st and then when they died again they just left

[serene bough]

I cringe when smyker is in havoc

[unique orchid]

Lucky for you i play heresy/damn pubs

I dont have the masochism for havoc

[serene bough]

Even though i dont, Id rather just wipe and find a new lobby than be forced to drag on a game with smyker

[unique orchid]

Honestly i care less for shard (assail) psykers, but thats just personal preference

Theyre good until the crusher crew waddles over and they dink off the plate

[hollow ibex]

Coop CBT

[unique orchid]

True

[hollow ibex]

Yes assail buff when. Literally hasn’t been buffed in two patches 😭

It’s over

Fatshart hates psyker

[unique orchid]

Assail is widerawwy worfwess is cant one shot a cwusher on havoc fouwtie

[warm schooner]

in my personal experience I've had more smykers rage out in havoc than any other build

[narrow frost]

Indeed

Common trend

In my lobbies it's always psykers being toxic

[unique orchid]

I always get veterans who die in melee, zealots who are a mile ahead of everyone, and ogryns who are just... lost

Psykers also die in melee but they usually try to keep out of melee range

[narrow frost]

Yeah that's the common stereotype type for the classes

[midnight wyvern]

anyone in my matches running weird shit is always the first, second and 10th person to get clobbered

not as good as they think they are

[unique orchid]

For some reason pubbies really think they are in fact him

[orchid hemlock]

I just pop the barrel next to them 😈

[serene bough]

I won't go that far but the thought does cross my mind

[hollow ibex]

psykers are 007

0 situational awareness
0 teamplay
7 medicae charges used

[faint beacon]

Oh that’s happened to me multiple times lmao

[hollow ibex]

honestly the only psyker players i'm ok with on my team

are extremely mid/average players

a good player just shuts off the game

a bad player also shuts off the game (smite) and/or goes down every few minutes

[unique orchid]

Strange take but fair enough

Not strange just one i havent heard before

[hollow ibex]

It’s true if you think about it

[slow sky]

no thats pretty accurate

[unique orchid]

Eh, i see your point, cant refute it

Sometimes its nice to have a carry, about all i can muster

[slow sky]

psyker is so ungodly broken than anyone good with it just solos the game, so theres no game to play for anyone else
and a bad player is likely just smiting everything that moves, so theres also no game left for anyone else

[unique orchid]

A bad psyker is gonna get hit by specials

Or 2H'd by a crusher/mauler

[calm shard]

smite badly needs a rework, and psyker badly needs nerfs

[tame lodge]

I'd turn smite into a Arby's shield special

[slow sky]

Nooooo dont nerf my wholesome mage!!!! He's squishy because I cant dodge rather than all the dr and regen they get so all of the dots and infinite cleave and damage juices that are out of control are justified!!!!

[tame lodge]

A mini shriek essentially

Then you'd charge for better effects

And ideally you'd be able to store the charge

[faint beacon]

Reminder

Veteran folds quicker than a deck of cards in Havoc vs Psyker

And I think that’s fucking crazy

[slow sky]

With havoc reducing base hp by 35%, you are 2 points below 100 hp by default

[faint beacon]

:(

Dies immediately to one burster or sniper

Psyker not giving a fuck

[slow sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1427786186469933146/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-10-14_1-00-00_AM.mp4?ex=69033ec1&is=6901ed41&hm=ba6405afb8669bb284f39e2ef58c1c3c8d1802b8d360f7745732a0a555954474&

[sudden cedar]

[slow sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1432242952801095760/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-10-27_12-37-49_AM.mp4?ex=6903a371&is=690251f1&hm=73677bfd08f01d94b6cc8385b1b469505d2caaa8a4dc1eae166e357e1cae8381&

[unique orchid]

I believe we need to move back into the realm of talking about vet as opposed to shit talking psyker

[faint beacon]

Reminder that psykers still think veteran is too tanky

[faint beacon]

Oh you got walkered :(

[astral cedar]

Does anyone know-does Demolition Team apply to the whole squad? I thought it only affected the veteran with the perk.

[faint beacon]

Vet exclusive havoc issues

[faint beacon]

Team kills give only you grenades

Not your team grenades

[astral cedar]

then separate question-does mortis trials randomly award you grenades without the blessing? I keep playing as other classes and I'll randomly get a grenade without any blessing that gives them to me.

[slow sky]

1 every 3m if I recall

[faint beacon]

There’s an indulgence that gives you grenade regen

[sudden cedar]

Look what i found gives you a grenade every 20 second

Beyond that, outside of class specific talents/perks, you won't get any

[astral cedar]

This seems right though-I didn't have any grenade indulgences.

[slow sky]

There's the indulgence, but there is also just baked in grenade regen That's a really slow for mortis specifically

I don't remember the exact time but three minutes sounds about right

[sudden cedar]

Is there? Can't say i noticed

[astral cedar]

When you play ogryn with box of grenades....you notice more...

[slow sky]

It's easy to notice with ogryn grenades before you have any grenade indulgences

[astral cedar]

Agreed.

[hybrid plover]

This is why I healthmax on vet now tbh

Veteran's main problems are the things that don't care about toughness.

Having 161 health in havoc 40 is more comfy than I could have imagined

[sharp epoch]

It used to lol

[sharp epoch]

I run health stam and toughness

[mortal aspen]

no way lmao

that's so busted

unless it was back when everyone only had 1 blitz or something

[hybrid plover]

I've been running two health one stam

[sharp epoch]

This was like when each class had their signature nade only, ogryn had box, zealot had stunstorm

[mortal aspen]

yeah

they might as well give zealot nade regen at this point

[slow sky]

So it only gave stuns or boxes to others

[sharp epoch]

There was a brief period of time when old demo team and nuke existed but then they nerfed it

[primal zealot]

its so tragic tbh

nuke feels like its balanced around being regend

[calm shard]

what

[sharp epoch]

😂

[primal zealot]

you heard me

[calm shard]

yeah see trouble is believing you

because that's like

[primal zealot]

its an uncomfortable truth

[calm shard]

people have been ragebaiting on this very discord with that exact take

[mortal aspen]

I think vet should have ogryn nukes

[primal zealot]

a single use grenade that doesnt do enough dmg to reliably eliminate those ritual summoners for example is underpowered

it often leaves critical targets like bulwarks alive unless it lands right at their feet

[hollow ibex]

True

[primal zealot]

doesnt even come close to killing a crusher

pitiful and ridiculously low boss dmg

[hollow ibex]

Ogryn suffers

But not as much as psyker

[primal zealot]

its only considered op cus the box was and remains unusable

[hollow ibex]

Get in line bub

[sharp epoch]

i actually prefer the box on havoc

[serene bough]

Lethal prox bistol w/ shredders is close enough lol

[serene bough]

I wouldnt say so, being balanced on world pick ups is good

[primal zealot]

not for how stingy the game is and how weak the grenade is

[calm shard]

keeping in mind that it's only weak in Havoc

where fatshark explicitly stated they are not balancing the game around because that would be stupid

[hybrid plover]

I've seen ogryns clutch some ugly situations with box.

[calm shard]

I think it's doing fine

[hybrid plover]

Also. This has been coming up a lot in my havocs

Two krak vets on rotten armor

Hell of a setup.

[serene bough]

2 krak vets is not a bad idea especially if garden is there too

[hybrid plover]

I'd fully recommend it at this point if it's rotten armor at least.

[primal zealot]

dude it cant kill crushers in damnation. bulwarks need to be like directly on top of it or theyll survive

its just weak

i know its not balanced for havoc

its not even balanced for auric

maybe heresy or malice

[calm shard]

what about literally every other enemy in the game

ignoring bosses

[hybrid plover]

Grenades don't always have to be titan killers to be useful

[calm shard]

instead of cherrypicking 2 enemies and ignoring what it does to everything else

[hybrid plover]

Nuke will delete a mixed horde other than that.

[primal zealot]

even they often survive when not in the inner blast zone

[calm shard]

because that kinda logic would get people saying hsword is the worst goddamn melee in the game

even though it one shots everything short of a bulwark/crusher too

[hybrid plover]

And box will crowd control the fuck out of a bad situation.

[calm shard]

just takes forever to kill crushers

[primal zealot]

yea but something with a single use advertised as an ogryn sized grenade should

[serene bough]

I mean even if you were to buff to kill crushers/bulwarks (I dont think it needs to), the previous premise of nukes being a regenerating entity is really far fetched

[surreal rune]

would a second grenade fix any of that

[hybrid plover]

I think it's fine honestly.

[surreal rune]

probably not, it was a stupid idea

[primal zealot]

would kinda fuck with the identity of the thing

[hybrid plover]

The amount of space that Nuke can create in an immediate moment is a life saver sometimes.

Because all the trash just dies.

[serene bough]

I once had a mortis trial game w/ 2 ogryn nukes regening every 20s

That was wild lol

[surreal rune]

compared to a grenadier vet, i think it would be a little too strong without any talent input

[primal zealot]

im not denying its utility im merely stating that for its place in the game it shrimply doesnt do enough damage

[serene bough]

What do ogryns normally bring to h40 anyways

Box rock or nuke

[primal zealot]

never rock

[meager echo]

I saw lots of rock

[serene bough]

Hong Kong vs NA meta strikes again

[hybrid plover]

Honestly ogryns just bring whatever fits their kit from what I can tell

[primal zealot]

i dont think rock could be considered meta in any real sense

[hybrid plover]

I've seen a healthy mix of all blitzes

[tame lodge]

Rock is fine

[primal zealot]

just cus hkers insist upon it doesnt make it meta

[narrow frost]

Rocks are great

[primal zealot]

also do they rly ?

[meager echo]

Rock is good, whats wrong tho.

[calm shard]

rock is pretty great

[narrow frost]

mutants and bombers/flamers are ogryns real threat

[meager echo]

Instant delete mutis

[narrow frost]

and rock solves that

[hybrid plover]

Rock is a good complement for rumbler.

[calm shard]

with havoc enemy density you better be a good throw to get that regen though

[primal zealot]

yea thats my main concern with it

[calm shard]

personal skill issues are your main concern?

[primal zealot]

hitting a mutant or whatever through a very fat mixed horde

[calm shard]

mutants are quite tall

specialists/elites are all taller than fodder enemies

[serene bough]

Maybe we should give the rock cleave like the plasma gun has

[tame lodge]

You're Ogryn as well

You're towering the horde

[narrow frost]

mutants are also the fastest enemy

push then back dodge and mutant is right there

[hybrid plover]

I love pox gas buffed mutants!!!

[primal zealot]

honestly not a bad idea. its like a pumpkin sized boulder. makes sense that it could depackitate a few poxwalkers without losing much velocity

[serene bough]

I think it would be a funny indulgence minoris at least

Rock has infinite cleave

[mortal aspen]

it should cleave through trash by default

bowling rock

[surreal rune]

does the plasma hit any breakpoints with redirect fire from focus target?

ive gotten a godroll plasma

[primal zealot]

dude the rock cant go through fat piles of crushers n bulwarks to hit the mutant thats about to phase through them. thats not a skill issue

[hybrid plover]

No lie. Time it. Sometimes it's good to wait for the target you're actually trying to hit.

Because that one target will be a bigger issue than anything around it sometimes

One thing I've been learning to do more recently is pace myself dealing with certain specialists to get max results

And it helps a lot.

[sudden cedar]

You could also swap to the Nuke or the Boxes instead to provide something for your team.

[hybrid plover]

Rock ogryns have saved my ass before.

[void frost]

does the voice of command upgrade that lets you revive allies also work for freeing/rescuing them? or strickly just reviving them?

[sudden cedar]

But have they saved a completely fucked up situation using a single rock?

[serene bough]

Just reviving (pls dont use its noob trap)

[hybrid plover]

Considering the ogryn I speak off was basically sniping a horde of trappers in an h40 I was in, actually yea

[void frost]

50% longer cool down for a smaller aura and only helps when your allies go down? sounds useless-

[elfin stirrup]

hey there folks - coming back after a couple of months -got the dueling sword a nerf / other weapons a buff?

[hybrid plover]

Dude prevented that whole situation from snowballing being vigilant while we were handling two BonBons and Twins lmao

[meager echo]

He has 2500+ level on ogryn so I trust his decision.

[serene bough]

Its very much terrible

The subnode should be replaced with something else

[meager echo]

I think any blitz on ogryn is fine tbh. The nuke one can't kill but very big aoe stagger.

[tame lodge]

Duelling Sword was nerfed, but the nerf is so insignificant it might as well be a buff since it has a parry now

Chain weapons got buffed
Tactical Axe got buffed

Shotguns buff

Helbore buff

Vigi buff

[calm shard]

truly the scrier's gaze of veteran

[elfin stirrup]

Oh interesting - ill have a look - tactical being buffed makes me smile. Probably top3 weapon on my zealot

[calm shard]

buffs will continue until pickrate improves

[tame lodge]

I mean

Helbore W

As always

[elfin stirrup]

All you need is a shovel on top and youre serving the emperor faithfully

[slow sky]

Nah I heard that the shovel is a bad weapon

Duelling sword and power sword are the only viable melee weapons for vet

Someone who's never used anything else told me so

So it must be true

[elfin stirrup]

That was a Krieg-reference. No worries mate 🙂

[tame lodge]

But fr shovel is mid tier
And when it comes to mid tiers, I'd rather use Shock Maul

Shock Maul is fun

[hollow ibex]

Both are mid but even I’d rather use shovel

[toxic reef]

its my fav vet melee rn

shock maul I've been having fun with on zealot tho

[serene bough]

Hate to say it but shovel is only relevant bc of uncanny strikes

[calm shard]

yeah big whoop that applies to all uncanny strike weapons

[hybrid plover]

Not really. Knife and dueling sword can fare just fine without it.

Mk1 shovel at least is the one weapon that really needs it

[vernal crag]

tempestus scions or kasrkin which is your favorite

[sonic kayak]

Kasrkin but I really love the Iron Guard

Mordians are hard AF

[vernal crag]

i like tempestus scions more

[steel barn]

Chat, what's a good, thematic Steel Legion build?

[midnight wyvern]

no

hope this helps!

[steel barn]

???

[primal zealot]

holy shit a cabbit

[steel barn]

Hello

[midnight wyvern]

purge the mutant

[primal zealot]

hi

[spark helm]

What's a Steel Legion? :V

[midnight wyvern]

steel legs aren't real

like skaven

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[steel barn]

Idk what to call this, it is like a dog-rabbit? A dabbit? A dare? Like dog-hare?

[primal zealot]

a boge

[midnight wyvern]

thats clearly a wombat

[steel barn]

A boge?

[primal zealot]

bunny + doge

[steel barn]

Bunny-Doge?

[spark helm]

But fr what's a steel legion?

[steel barn]

I like this :3

[primal zealot]

thanks its me

[steel barn]

The Armageddon guys

[midnight wyvern]

Armageddon krieg

[spark helm]

Idk shit about 40k that deeply. Uh

Idk what do they use?

[midnight wyvern]

just take chainsword and an autogun

[steel barn]

Pretty sure they use Autoguns but I could be wrong

[midnight wyvern]

GG

[steel barn]

Ig so yeah, but like I need my talent tree to be decent

[midnight wyvern]

click on the things called

talent nodes?

I think?

[spark helm]

Hm.

[midnight wyvern]

I could be wrong

[spark helm]

Currently caught up atm but I can just dump a skeleton of one.

[steel barn]

If you don't mind, thank u

Like I saw one autogun build but like idk how good it is tbh

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a7f4ac3-039f-424a-a98c-3b57bba86bb8/abc-always-be-chooting

I was usin this but idk how much I enjoy using Executioners

[midnight wyvern]

always be chitting

[midnight wyvern]

the fuck

[surreal rune]

lost a game with a duo consisting of me, a zealot, and an arbites

it turned into a duo because our other teammates left for some odd reason

[midnight wyvern]

you turned the game off

filthy meta abuser

[surreal rune]

a true survivor ogryn, and another arbites

[wild vortex]

it's so dogshit when you swap loadouts before a game but the game says "nah" and gives you a mishmash of tree and weapons

[surreal rune]

anyways this arbites i think did everything but the objective

it was smelter complex

[midnight wyvern]

how does that make you feel?

[surreal rune]

frustrated

[midnight wyvern]

that sucks buddy

[surreal rune]

i kept going back and forth on the objective whilst having to kill hordes of armor

[steep flower]

No field improv
Yikes

[surreal rune]

but this arbites is doing nothing

[steel barn]

Yeah, it's weird, idk if I fuck with it that much

[midnight wyvern]

yeah thats odd lol, lots of points in odd places

[surreal rune]

i think their gameplan was light spam and move forward in a manner somewhat akin to a moth moving to light

[spark helm]

Plenty of these extra talents can probably get moved around depending on your preferences but this would be my first thought for a chainsword and infantry autogun build.

I haven't ran assault chainsword on veteran after the new patch so I can't speak much on it with confidence and experience tbh but I've heard positive things about it lately. The vraks7 can be your go-to mark of choice for the infantry autogun and running something like unyielding and flak/maniacs with dumdum and deathspitter is one of the most common setups of time.

[steep flower]

Atleast they use HP curio
They know

[midnight wyvern]

not the funny burster 1 shot

[spark helm]

Not uh deathspitter

I'm fire frenzy or whatever

Dumdum/fire frenzy iirc.

[midnight wyvern]

im firing my frenzy till I dumdum

[spark helm]

One of the safest most effective blessing combos.

[steep flower]

Seen that 2 days ago happen to one of the bois i played with
He went down to bursters 3 times total in our sessiond

[surreal rune]

why rending strikes over the 25 toughness?

[steep flower]

From 100% hp to 0%

[midnight wyvern]

yeah people running under 100hp are just looking to die

[spark helm]

I just don't care about hp. I don't give up a lot of damage personally.

But sure 25 toughness isn't bad

Free toughness.

[surreal rune]

i dont think rending strikes would be any better

[steep flower]

I would understand if onslaught would be used… but its not…

[midnight wyvern]

10 whole rending

[spark helm]

Idk anything about chainsword so it's just there. I did say things can get moved around too lol.

[steep flower]

Its much better if we talk about inf auto without onslaught

[midnight wyvern]

25 toughness is also base, so it applies before your curios do

[steel surge]

Hello fellow veterans. A friend found this build and I'm not a vet main, can you confirm it makes sense? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b661e3c-428c-46cd-b0e2-f932f3383b90/run-n-gun-recon

To me it does seem to make sense.

[spark helm]

Like I really did say first thought here. Not like it can't get changed lol

[midnight wyvern]

I mean I guess, its abusing the goofy right side talents but its also a recon

[steep flower]

Nah man; i saw the builds on that man; they are pepega

[mortal aspen]

no confirmed kill

[spark helm]

#veteran-class message

[midnight wyvern]

[spark helm]

Actually yeah just drop the other toughness node at the very top and put it on onslaught. That's juicing up your gun dmg and whatever you might be able to get away with on chainsword.

Does onslaught account for revs and something like bloodletter? I actually don't know.

[steep flower]

Revving ticks don’t apply it nor they do for thunderous; only initial hit

[spark helm]

Like ticks of rev damage, any dot, etc.

[spark helm]

:T

Boo

Idk the consequences of that for balance, but boo anyway

[steep flower]

There is a reason chainaxe wants bloodletter & thunderous; cause you melt crushers

[hollow ibex]

Lots of issues

[steep flower]

Chainsword does not have that blessing

[hollow ibex]

Better to start with a different build than to fix this one

[spark helm]

Yeah. Chainaxe is probably the one chain weapon I use that isn't the eviscerator but I haven't touched them ever since the update.

[mortal aspen]

I mean I don't think that build is terrible. It has almost all the good nodes selected

[tall torrent]

What’s with the Chainsword glaze now

[steep flower]

They got worse cause crushers impact resistance got up and chainaxe can’t stagger a crusher with a rev like before

They got nerfed by proxy

[steel surge]

thanks for the feedback guys, I get what you're saying. Any suggestions for a good recon build? My friend does like that gun. I'm having him try a powersword+shotty crit build now.

[tall torrent]

No changes to their stagger resistance or stagger reduction were made

Only the stagger bug got fixed

[steep flower]

Previously chainaxe could stagger a crusher with a light att rev on body on any class - now it can’t do it on weakspot even
Riddle me this

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/light-show

[steel surge]

thanks!

[tall torrent]

Did u test that during the stagger bug or before

[surreal rune]

nothing feels better than hitting a rev attack on an enemy and then they swing through it and down me

[spark helm]

Someone just wanting to play with it = glaze.

Nu technology.

[surreal rune]

its like smacking an insect off oneself

[tall torrent]

No

[spark helm]

Lame

[hollow ibex]

Yeah no problem. Keep in mind that this build encourages you to also use melee and not shoot all game

[spark helm]

I actually really like the idea of shredding armor and stuff.

[hollow ibex]

Shooting all game tends not to be a good habit

[spark helm]

Very cathartic.

Has the assault chainsword buffs made it more attractive on veteran after the patch?

It's one of the few weapons I want to like that I often just refuse to bring with me. I guess cadia chainsword was fine enough for me.

[tall torrent]

Got better overall for every class

[spark helm]

Neat

[tall torrent]

Still not good on tough single targets tho

[spark helm]

Not even cadia sword?

Can't remember how long it took to kill something bigger in aurics.

I was doing weapon specialist nonsense too so if it wasn't getting cut open, it was getting shot to death or naded.

[tall torrent]

Both are from Cadia

What exactly are u referencing

[spark helm]

Oh

The uh

The mark that was released later.

Not the starting mark.

I forgot the numbers

[tall torrent]

I actually don’t think XIIIg is as good as IV atm

IV’s moveset is just better

[surreal rune]

the xiiig feels some better on zealot with crits

the heavies may kill a crusher somewhat easier

and fury may make a revved heavy one shot them

but its not so good, i feel

[hollow ibex]

But light spam feels good

Not a fan of the IV heavies

Are the rev attacks the same damage between the two?

[surreal rune]

it feels significant only in the fact that a revved light will not one shot a crusher with fury

but a heavy may

at least on auric

[spark helm]

Been so long since I did that that i can't confirm

The lights were where it was for sure though.

Push attacks was fine too from what I can awkwardly remember. I just stayed away from trying with the original mark because I just ran out of patience.

Chainsword being solid is a weird white whale for me.

[tall torrent]

No but neither is good at it so it doesn’t matter that much to me

[surreal rune]

the xiiig also feels better on arbites if that matters because the push attacks provide cleave takent, and push attacks are xiiig's horde clear

[tall torrent]

Both are still weapons with no special action

[surreal rune]

sigh

[spark helm]

First weapon that I tried hard to work out way way back then and it was just too much of hassle.

Fuck the og mark. Unless that changed enough finally

I don't even really need to it to be insane. Just stable

[tame lodge]

Iirc Xiiig bites harder or something along those lines

Probably shredder stat difference

[steep flower]

it was WAAAAAY before even the Unlocked & Loaded update mah guy

[hollow ibex]

Lmao yeah fair

[steep flower]

mk4 is better due to revving not taking an extra tick - also moveset on mk4 is alright

[hollow ibex]

I see

[tall torrent]

Yea I see in my recorded stagger breakpoints
I’m outside rn so can’t check, are u sure it’s completely unable to stagger cuz it is sticky stagger type and takes multiple ticks for it to work

[steep flower]

it does not work now; even with grievous wounds zealot you have to use heavy rev; light does not stun

[tall torrent]

Likelier to be a specific change to chainaxe then

Cuz the actual stagger stats on crusher did not change

[steep flower]

must be; if they haven't touched impact resist on crushers themsleves then it must be the chainaxe

Stealth nerfing an already underused & underaprecieated weapon
Classic

[tall torrent]

Stagger resistance and stagger reduction aren’t the same thing

And yea neither were changed for any enemy

[steep flower]

yeah; chainaxe nerf it is

[hybrid plover]

Healthmax now the vet meta

Calling it.

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-depths-with-you-cat-depths-to-the-depths-gif-7441909642438936732

[hallow drift]

I know someone that runs at least 1 wounds on every class

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-40k-spacemarine2-heresy-heretic-gif-15781539930698202487

[hallow drift]

https://tenor.com/view/live-bile-troll-reaction-bile-troll-vermintide-vermintide-2-versus-versus-gif-14791691335031301398

[jolly quail]

vet chat i have completed every vet penance

[distant plaza]

congrats

[jolly quail]

thankyou

i will now move on to zealot chat

[midnight wyvern]

rip

he won't return from there

[jolly quail]

i enjoyed my time in vet chat

wasnt posting lately bc playing other games but i got back on dt a bit

[midnight wyvern]

vet chat is dangerous

fuck

zealot chat

^^

[sudden cedar]

Veteran chat is dangerous indeed.

There are Veterans without Field Improv running around

[hollow ibex]

[calm shard]

I ain't picking that shit ass talent unless my melee literally does not benefit from serrated blade at all

[sudden cedar]

You do you.

[hollow ibex]

Serrated is unironically a good support talent too

For ogryn and zealot

Too bad so sad for the arbi and psykers

[hybrid plover]

Crazy how we're now at a point where serrated is being considered a genuinely decent choice

Which it is.

[hollow ibex]

I mean

It has to be considered in the context of the other choices…

I would not take serrated on most builds if i didn’t have to

It’s literally a tax node

[red robin]

What’s the science with field improv?

A bunch of my builds drop the 1 point for my selfish greed that hinders myself retroactively by not helping the zealot and ogyrn who don’t run throwing knife and rock

[serene bough]

its a situational support pick

serrated blade will probably net more value over improv, that said, the times when I do run improv and get the most use out of it feel more satisfying than serrated blade

[slow spade]

this is Darktide

thus true

lmao

[swift river]

You know... I kinda dig using the Rangefinder piece for my Commando build...

[tribal dawn]

Would range or mobility be the preferred dump stat for the double barrel

[hollow ibex]

Mobility

[swift river]

I figured out why my build felt weird, I didn’t have One Motion active

[frigid shuttle]

I mean, everyone is running revive speed these days...

so extra wound is worth?

[frigid shuttle]

I mean, it's ultra niche...

Or well, niche, at least.

get back in the fight is ehh, field improv is ehh, serrated is at least something

[hybrid plover]

Get back in the fight is trolling honestly

[frigid shuttle]

what mission do I run for this

do I have to go to heresy or some shit

[mortal aspen]

i feel like get back in the fight is supposed to restore toughness, not stamina

why tie stamina to toughness break

it makes almost no sense

[frigid shuttle]

so you can block

or sprint away

[hybrid plover]

It does.

It's an insurance plan to get away at a moment when you really need to.

[frigid shuttle]

If they'd expand the choice to covert operatives and opening salvo, there'd at least be extra decent options.

[hybrid plover]

And in theory, it actually does work.

The primary issue.

Is the cooldown.

[frigid shuttle]

melee still stuck with serrated blade as the only good option

[mortal aspen]

you're gonna trigger that shit when you don't need to all the time

[frigid shuttle]

covert operative should just be 20-25% from behind

[mortal aspen]

and then it's on cd

[frigid shuttle]

like the zealot talent

and pathable from trench fighter

would be great pick then

[mortal aspen]

but yes, that's why I said mostly doesn't make sense
i get the idea, it's just

idk, I die mostly to something that can't be just blocked

[pseudo fiber]

Non event missions

[frigid shuttle]

no guaranteed campaign missions with dregs?

[odd yarrow]

Do the sand levels

[frigid shuttle]

is there another besides hourglass?

[hollow ibex]

Hourglass makes me yawn

[tepid otter]

Whats wrong with Hourglass

[stuck fable]

Huh wrote what were?

[hollow ibex]

Last event is pretty annoying to fight on yet simultaneously boring

[frigid shuttle]

I love leavers when they get downed.

So easy to block and never meet them again

[hollow ibex]

Until you run out of blocks lol

[frigid shuttle]

also did we get melee buff?

from event

[frigid shuttle]

my sly marbo cosplay

[stuck fable]

Still had the balls to stand up to him.

[orchid hemlock]

is the event the same amount of drops regardless of the difficulty?

[unreal nova]

More enemies, more drops. Uprising is 250~, Damnation is around 400~.

Also longer drag maps likely more as well.

[elder vessel]

God I despise havoc

Just let me join some random fuckheads game so I can get those cool armor sets ftlog

its not even particularly hard to get the sets, I don't have to play a H40 i just need to play matches

[tepid otter]

Real

Least theres always like 2 or 3 parties in my region that do low havocs

[halcyon blaze]

Try the Hourglass ones, dregs are the admonition guys (yellow cloth, tox flamer, unarmoured rager), so go for stuff like Refinery Delta-17, Relay Station TRS-150, and Excise Vault Spireside-13.
They're also present in the Torrent so go for maps such as Silo Cluster 18/66a and Vigil Station Oblivium.
You can also find them in Hab Dreyko and Warren 6-19.

[elder vessel]

or hell just let me solo the havocs

I have a dog that protects from half the specials so I just need to snipe trappers before they step up

[orchid hemlock]

ARRGHGGG THIS EVENT IS SUCH A DRAG

[frigid shuttle]

just don't play event maps

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s a shit grind

If you want to max out

[sharp hamlet]

That’s why I completed it within the first 2 days, so I wouldn’t have to deal with it anymore.

[steep flower]

Nah

[steep flower]

Serrated won’t save nor win you games
Field improv will
There

[steep flower]

Its not just for them; for any grenade user that includes YOU

[steep flower]

Dodge sliding exists

[hybrid plover]

I'm aware.

[steep flower]

You are on official discord for the game
You got the tools to get players to play havoc
Use them

[tropic notch]

What if I’m evil and hate my team

[steep flower]

Then you should play single player games which does not include Darktide

[tropic notch]

[steep flower]

Like Skyrim

[tropic notch]

What if I suck a Skyrim

[steep flower]

Get a cat wife & shit; explore dwemmer ruins together

[steep flower]

Such thing does not exist

[tropic notch]

What if I lose the ability to work a controller or keyboard

[hybrid flame]

Eye tracker

[steep flower]

You cry & accept the way of the normie

[tropic notch]

[void dragon]

HOW you suck at skyrim?

[tropic notch]

[void dragon]

genuine next level skill

[hybrid flame]

Destro mage without enchanted deadric is bad

[tropic notch]

||I don’t I think if someone did they need help ||

[void dragon]

||They dont need help they need Talos to come from its godhood to shake its head to them in disaproval||

[dry wedge]

Been using the Boltgun on my Vet build and it's fun asf

[hybrid plover]

How does one "suck" at Skyrim.

[void dragon]

maybe he got his sweet rolls stolen

[vestal olive]

You suck at skyrim by trying to play it like an RPG

you'll get bored in <4 hours and quit

[vestal olive]

That is, questing, talking to NPCs, trying to role play, etc.

[hybrid flame]

Tell me how I got 87% completion on a no fast travel run then

[frigid shuttle]

Insanity.

[pulsar zephyr]

The Sapper shovel

Is so amazing

I be flicking in and out of modes like it's a stim toy

[royal hollow]

Because you're mental

That's my best guess

[hollow ibex]

which one tho

[distant mural]

No fast travel is the way.

All the good stuff are the sidequestd

[pulsar zephyr]

Idk it turns into a pickaxe thing

Had a swipe shove combo

[slow sky]

not the best place for this to happen, high havoc

[narrow frost]

Say hi for 60% damage res for me

cool guy

[slow sky]

i recognized the name

[narrow frost]

he's the psyker

[slow sky]

yea

[slow sky]

he cant beat the DB though

https://tenor.com/view/usagi-chiikawa-usagi-chiikawa-fat-usagi-fat-chiikawa-gif-3325766626873846686

[narrow frost]

shrimply too good

https://tenor.com/view/cs-cenozoic-survival-the-harvest-is-bountiful-this-year-gif-12027152883888210809

[swift river]

Hey... Was the +25% clip size a thing before? Or did that replace suppression immunity?

[hollow ibex]

hope you're using the mk3

[hollow ibex]

no it's a new addition to the tree

came with the rework

[swift river]

Ok I thought so

[hollow ibex]

suppression is now baked in as a vet passive

[swift river]

Because my Recon Lasgun is now a SAW...

[pulsar zephyr]

I think yeah

[swift river]

With near infinite ammo with Shock Trooper...

[pulsar zephyr]

It's featured in my post in the drip chat I don't remember specifically

[hollow ibex]

based

[swift river]

For real though it feels unnatural laying down automatic lasgun fire for a full solid...3-4 seconds straight without reloading 😄

Question, Autogun... Braced or Vigilant?

[hollow ibex]

Vigils are stronger

I find braced more fun

Though they’ve been power creeped really hard

[swift river]

I'm gonna experiment with a build...

[sharp epoch]

agri braced used to be so fun before they nerfed exe stance

[pulsar zephyr]

Hellborn rifle goated

Movement go brrr

[swift river]

Well lets see... With the extra ammo and clip size, can I effectively turn myself into Rambo?

[pulsar zephyr]

I think the most Rambo esque weapon is the recon lasgun

So mayhaps

[distant mural]

They nerfed exe stance?

[sharp epoch]

back in the olden days before talent tree it gave like 70% damage resist while active

similar to castigator

[swift river]

Almost exactly 7 seconds of sustained hipfire...

[distant mural]

I think its better withe the tghn regen

[distant mural]

That mustve been a while ago

Like a looong while

[sharp epoch]

2023 🥹

[swift river]

Oh, up to 8 seconds sustained hipfire!

I gotta level up the weapon... But it feels good

[sharp epoch]

I feel like its best ran with executioner's stance

[swift river]

Probably! This is moreso just for fun

The Recon Lasgun I have a build for already :p

By the by it was a full 17 seconds of sustained fire on one clip at base

[scenic basin]

tbf when you're an immortal man who lived for 45 thousand+ years I don't think you'd care if you die at this point

[slow sky]

just got another "how are you doing that much damage as vet?"

and its just shovel db

[dapper coyote]

Doom build

Lmao

Just ultra violence and good old buckshot

[swift river]

This feels more like how I used to play...

[tropic halo]

[scenic basin]

Dump stat for falchion? Mobility?

[hybrid plover]

Hello, Mario.

[azure narwhal]

THE SHADE OF RED IS OFF UAGHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[slow sky]

higher damage than purg+flame vent

[thorn lark]

Do you shoot every 2 ot 3s?

Flechette manstopper?

[thorn lark]

It's the talent formerly known as determination right?

[hybrid plover]

yes. and now you just have that.

no longer a node

[thorn lark]

It is so pleasing tbh

[hybrid plover]

probably one of the best changes vet got for sure

[thorn lark]

You won't feel it if you're going exec though

[scenic basin]

Shovel perks and blessings?

[hybrid plover]

mk1: uncanny/deci or skullcrusher
perks: mix of flak, carapace, and unyielding

that's at least for that specific variant. i've been hearing different things about the flip shovels though

[scenic basin]

Thanks,also do i dump mobility or defenses?

[hybrid plover]

it's really a preference thing

mobility grants marginally faster movespeed and more dodge distance
defenses makes stamina usage more efficient, which is important because of push attacks

[slow sky]

i shoot when there is a good opportunity to shoot and i have stacks

i dump defences cuz it is already super stamina efficient

[scenic basin]

Also just to make sure I'm reading this correctly, Is it Uncanny + Deci or skullcrusher or is it Skullcrusher + uncanny or deci?

[hybrid plover]

always uncanny

[toxic reef]

decimator is nice for the heavy chains against hordes

[swift river]

You know, I know the Helbore is the standard for Kriegsman and what not, but the busted up combat shotgun goes far for a trench fighter look

[dry cloak]

door kicker skin looks nice

[stiff glacier]

Krieg engineer

Shotty and shock maul

[tame lodge]

Those trenches aren't going to clear themselves

[heavy rover]

Hehe trench gun go boom

[tame lodge]

For France! 🗣️

https://youtu.be/msXl2ZybwTk?si=NT9bmZ3x3WB2lzVO

Trench Raider still mad hilarious

[steep mantle]

I have seen some internet talks about the combat shotguns and seems to me like they are generally disliked, any tips on what can be done to make them more viable? Especially the fire-shot one as I think its pretty unique

for veteran specifically

I guess they need to be paired with melee that can take care of crushers and other armored targets

but maybe it could shred bosses?

[frigid shuttle]

power sword + cs for touching specials from a distance works

but recon las does it better, with a bigger ammo pool, so..

[calm shard]

they're already pretty strong

they're unpopular because community perception has not caught on

[calm shard]

they already do this and have for a long time actually

well the Accatran hasn't but that one sucks

[toxic reef]

is zarona the one with highest dmg? because I like that one

[calm shard]

highest damage on its normal shells yes

Zarona has a fat crit modifier on regular shells when you ADS

and is complete ass if you don't

because it's weird

Agripinaa is the most popular one because it has low spread, lots of ammo, and the slug is very useful

[toxic reef]

ye it doesn't do it for me tho, I find it a bit awkward

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/yuGZP1O Zarona has a very weird damage profile but is EXTREMELY versatile

[frigid shuttle]

I used to main agri, but after trying recon las, I can't go back to loading shell by shell

[calm shard]

There's only so many things that can give me the same feeling as infinite cleave on crits because of Man-Stopper

https://imgur.com/a/hjoeyAe

[frigid shuttle]

recon las benefits a lot from a scope though, I didn't like the irons at all

[thorn lark]

It can open a bulwark

[calm shard]

yes

it can also one shot bodyshot havoc 40 maulers which is hilarious

[heavy rover]

May I introduce you to helbore? Getting a one shot on a reaper on havoc 40 is a guilty pleasure of mine

[steep mantle]

wow how did you get this much damage on that plague ogryn?! Mine never seems to do as much, but frankly i didn't know crit modifier is different on ads

also i assume the flashlight is a mod right?

or am i stupid and didn't know how to turn it on?

[stuck gorge]

extended weapon customization mod lets you put flashlights on weapons and it replaces the special attack

[steep mantle]

ok then i am not that stupid

phew, felt like I need to go back to playing Ogryn

[calm shard]

Don't believe him it was always there

[calm shard]

doesn't do that on the new mod actually

I mean uh the uhm

flashlight that was always there

you just double tap your interact key

[stuck gorge]

Oh yea I just don’t have a flashlight because I was hungry

that’s all

[steep mantle]

Ok sah, I will go grab me slab shield sah

on more serious note, what about that boss damage, its just unyelding perk + ads on Zarona or any other particular set of blessings/setup that I also need?

[calm shard]

yeah it's just that

aim higher than you think

Zarona has a minimum pellet count of 16 into unyielding (it fires 12 pellets)

You only need to hit a single pellet for full damage

But if any hit the body you lose damage

[steep mantle]

ok will try this tonight, thanks man

[steep flower]

Cause Cshotties have very good unyielding dmg to begin with + 15 MMF stacks + exec stance
Ofc its gonna melt

[frigid shuttle]

which model?

[calm shard]

I think both IIIa and IV can one shot hav 40 reapers

IV definitely has it easier though

Since it's the highest damage ranged weapon in the game

[heavy rover]

Both mk III and mk iv can do it. Like what gun psyker said, mk iv has an easier time doing it

[thorn lark]

Exec mmf 7 bullets revolver zarona is glorious too

[willow prairie]

I need the build lol

[calm shard]

flex point goes wherever

I personally use it to take TFD+Serrated blade instead of field improv

[rancid dragon]

Anyone got a good helbore rifle build?

I’m not baisd I swear

[steep flower]

Use it to get OfB and then swap volley adept for tac reload

[calm shard]

but my serrated blade

[steep flower]

What melee?

[red portal]

This is a pretty decent start you have 2 points left over to flex.

You want to run stam curios with this setup for deadshot

Killzone is a consideration

[rancid dragon]

Question

What’s this good for?

Bosses?

Normal shooting?

Headshots only?

Growing a farm of potatos

[hybrid flame]

Knitting a cozy jumper

[turbid ibex]

Jumping a cozy knitter

[calm shard]

tactical axe and weirdly enough dclaw sword of all things

I've started taking a liking to it since Kraks are good now

[calm shard]

shooting literally anything that is not a poxboy/groaner

[rancid dragon]

Oh cool

Cuz I suck at hitting headshits

Shots

[calm shard]

Helbore IV can hit a monstrosity for 20K damage a shot in the right circumstances

Which was something neat to see in a hav 40 run with the gun

On my exe build

[rancid dragon]

Alright

What about bayonet

[calm shard]

Mk IV's bayonet is complete trash

Mk IIIa/V's is much better

[rancid dragon]

Alright

[red portal]

Elites and specialists

[calm shard]

It's a quick stab with solid damage and a generous hitbox for IIIa/V, and an awkward slow overhead for Mk IV

[rancid dragon]

Alright I’ll let ya know

[red portal]

Mk4 will kill crushers, reapers, and bulwarks like no tomorrow

But it has shit bauonet

Mk3 is the fastest off the bunch but has lacking armor damage

[calm shard]

MKV is the fast one

[red portal]

Ah nvm

I'm miss remembering mark names

[rancid dragon]

That means it’s good at killing all the little ones right?

[calm shard]

yeah

[rancid dragon]

Cool

What about demo hosts activated by my teammates that like to drag me into dark corners and do things to me

[dry cloak]

i know you have more experience with combat shotties than me. i need to test how accatran stacks up againts zarona. for hordeclear shotgun

[rancid dragon]

Seriously idk why they agro on me

[dry cloak]

that mean that either you agroed them or orher people atlf4 and it targeted you

[rancid dragon]

Still

It’s not fun getting touched

Idk how to even counter them

When they wake up I just go

Gusse I’ll die

[calm shard]

worse in just about every way imaginable

Accatran sucks dog

[dry cloak]

that the point you dont agroe them

[red portal]

Pull out melee and hold block and dodge

[rancid dragon]

I don’t!

[calm shard]

special shell is useless and bad

[red portal]

[rancid dragon]

My relates do

And they go after me!

[calm shard]

default fire's spread is so large that even exe can't save it

And it somehow does less reliable damage into fodder than zarona special shell

[rancid dragon]

Then they drag me into dark corners and touch me and then suck out my soul

Then I die

[dry cloak]

thats a bonus to me. i shoot hordes with it

[calm shard]

Also less ammo

And less damage

And less range

[dry cloak]

statistically more damage. in reality less

[tame lodge]

Shawty so bad it sucks your soul

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

[calm shard]

Yeah because it has worse finesse

[dry cloak]

zealot with hammer. ogryn with shield or devil claw

[calm shard]

Just use the zarona special shell

wide, flat spread

[spark helm]

Turn off your flashlight if you have one

[calm shard]

good minimum pelelt count into horde enemies

[unreal nova]

But you did. Unless they aggro'd them while it was bleeding or burning from your DoT.

[dry cloak]

ok. gonna need to use it for a while. i had succes with accatran for a while

[rancid dragon]

Maybe

Still

Not fun getting railed

[dry cloak]

theres no maybes here

if it attacks you you agroed it or other person left the game

and what karien stated

[steep flower]

Nah it does not

[steep flower]

ADS

[calm shard]

Do you think I am hipfiring for the fuck of it

[thorn lark]

Depends. On a zealot or an arbites it's good

[dry cloak]

also is it still a thing that ads with combat shotties kill any and all cleave?

[steep flower]

Using fire shell for hordes is a prime mistake i keep seeing ppl using that weapon

You never do that

[rancid dragon]

Oh

I want to make a statement

[steep flower]

You use deadshot - you can’t all the time ADS

[rancid dragon]

Fuck trappers

[dry cloak]

you can start with it but dont spam it

[calm shard]

I was talking about regular shells with that statement

[fair shale]

Sorry, read that question wrong, ignore me

[calm shard]

I also use tunnel vision and can aim yes I can

[fair shale]

I prefer agri to zarona explicitly for the slug tbh

[steep flower]

Nah not impactful enough
Use it for VERY distant targets & bosses

[fair shale]

God willing one day I wont even have to load the slugs

[rancid dragon]

I need chocolate milk T-T

I’ve been getting railed in darktide

And they didn’t even have the decency to use lube

[dry cloak]

?

[steep flower]

I mean you don’t shoot hordes to begin with with any ranged weapon

[calm shard]

okay the shotguns have manstopper

infinite cleave

they delete entire hordes in 2-3 shots

[fair shale]

Brain failing me, I would like the shotguns more if you could load more than one special round at a time

[calm shard]

They are extremely ammo efficient at killing fodder enemies

and uniquely so

[rancid dragon]

How many tech priests dose it take to change a lightbulb?

[fair shale]

Like if I could fill the agri with 13 slugs?

Infinitely more fun gun lol

[thorn lark]

Manstopper + scattershot?

[calm shard]

manstopper+full bore

you get crit from deadshot+reciprocity

[thorn lark]

With Deadshot ye

[dry cloak]

if we get that, implement what arby shotties have. that being limited special ammo

[dry cloak]

depends of built

[thorn lark]

For a gun psyker, still the same?

[fair shale]

I still dont get why they have limited extra ammo when the special ammo is kinda meh

[red portal]

How's the build going?

[calm shard]

I haven't used buffed combat shotties on gun psyker

[dry cloak]

special ammo is strong on arby shotties

[tame lodge]

No, iirc

[fair shale]

Ig, feels meh to me as compared to slug

Arb shotguns in general feel bad as compared to CS rn imo

[dry cloak]

slug is just that good

[dry cloak]

and thats where you are wrong imo, but i can see where you come from. agrip CS is just that good

[rancid dragon]

Eating lunch at school

[fair shale]

When you go into higher havocs the breakpoints feel the same and CS simply has more ammo ime

[dry cloak]

havoc🤮

[fair shale]

Tbf I get it if you don't like havoc

[dry cloak]

i did whole of 51 havoc mission and i dont want to experience that again

[fair shale]

I am in a weird limbo

[tame lodge]

[fair shale]

Where auric is too easy but havoc atm is miserable

[red portal]

Havoc is easy until 30+