veteran-class

[hybrid plover]

Head going boom and throwing you off a ledge

[maiden wasp]

Cranial was way worse in the early havoc releases.

[trim badger]

I'm aware yeah

[hybrid plover]

The Cranial experience ™

[trim badger]

Before the emperor's light nerf xddd

[tall torrent]

annoying & cringe

only good havoc mutator is red

[slow spade]

Ritual was the only modifier to make me rage lol

[trim badger]

Of course it was the vet shooting everything

[tall torrent]

it actually just isn't

[maiden wasp]

Getting instakilled by goober number 6069 because you didn't see him clipped into a crate.

[trim badger]

I wonder when they'll actually add the warp modifier that is currently disabled

The one that splits enemies into lesser enemies on death

I really wanna try that one

[hybrid plover]

That sounds like a double barrel kind of modifier

[trim badger]

Warp Rift

There we go

That's the name

[maiden wasp]

Best vt2 modifier

[slow spade]

Crusher into bulwark UwU

[frigid shuttle]

I hated that in vt2

[narrow frost]

It's so fun

best modifier

[trim badger]

Well apparently it's already in darktide, just not enabled yet

[maiden wasp]

Bulwark into poxburster.

[narrow frost]

it is

[slow spade]

As intended

[narrow frost]

if you have solo mod, you can play it

[hollow ibex]

It’s supposed to be greater into lesser enemies, not the other way around

[narrow frost]

maybe I should record a solo with warp rift

[trim badger]

I've tried it and if I remember correctly

Crusher can only spawn mauler/rager

[fair shale]

The game crasher

[slow spade]

Smh cowards

[narrow frost]

the visual is ass

[slow spade]

Make poxwalkers spawn bursters

[narrow frost]

its rotten armor but worse

[trim badger]

Loot rat spawning 2 rat ogres

[maiden wasp]

The twist is that everything becomes poxbursters

[slow spade]

Nurgle is funny like that

[trim badger]

Burstsrs are not even a nurgle thing

It's just a stupid infected strapped with explosives

[maiden wasp]

Kill 1 groaner- it becomes burster and kills other groaners - entire map explodes- time for darktide 2

[slow spade]

Game balance is easy just boot the players to the death screen UwU

[eager raft]

Yall think it’s better to dump defences or mobility for the sapper shovel?

[hybrid plover]

It depends.

Do you want marginally more movement speed and a better dodge distance, or do you want more stamina efficiency with all related actions (push attacks being one of those)?

Either is a valid choice imho

I personally run mob dump.

But I'd imagine defense dump working on something you wanna use more aggressively

[hollow ibex]

For mk1 I don’t think you should dump defense

Otherwise defense dump

[hybrid plover]

Oh yeah it also depends on the mk

Defense means more on mk1 specifically

[frigid shuttle]

psword with skitarius is absolutely nasty and mogs relic blade

without skitarius, they're kinda same to me.

[hybrid plover]

Because the push attack is so important for single target damage

[frigid shuttle]

I kinda feel bad playing zealot now

relic blade feels so slow compared to block cancelled psword

[eager raft]

Ah ok ok I just started looking at stats and saw the original shovel I was using had damage as the dump stat 💀 I guess I’ll choose mobility

[hollow ibex]

Yeah definitely don’t dump damage

[umbral scaffold]

oh no bro 💀

[wild vortex]

@hollow ibex I tried your stealth bomber build, the instant I swap to grenade and throw, it breaks stealth

I'm using the left click throw naturally

(Or right trigger in my case)

[hollow ibex]

Make sure to throw underhand for the first nade

Second nade can be thrown overhand

Because you want stealth to break then

[wild vortex]

Hmm maybe the control scheme is inverted for controller

Maybe left trigger is underhand

[hollow ibex]

Not sure how underhand throws work on controller 🤔

[wild vortex]

I'll check in psykhanium

[sonic kayak]

Your aim button should be the underhand throw

[wild vortex]

Oh wow really

[sonic kayak]

I think that's the left trigger?

[wild vortex]

That's inverted then

Fun playstyle though

[sharp epoch]

I don't think its fair to compare them with macros, cause they can make every weapon busted (e.g inferno staff, deimos force blade)

[frigid shuttle]

not really, the macro in psword is just for automatic special activation

I could do it manually, but I hate that kind of gameplay.

I'm not talking about some kind of qq cancel spam, that makes you attack a million times in a frame.

[sharp epoch]

It does perfect block cancel every time so its the same to a lesser degree

[frigid shuttle]

I played for a week without block cancelling the special activation and it still felt stronger than relic blade.

with block cancelling (even if I was willing to do it manually) it's just obscene

you cut like 200-400ms? off the activation

the main difference is the cooldown on relic blade, it just feel so clunky after playing with power sword.

when you get a pack of 20-30 mixed carapace/ragers, you kill like 10 and then you're cooling down and dinking with unpowered relic blade

don't get me started on ASM, especially with stagger build

I feel zero fear against any amount of carapace.

[slow sky]

Turns out when you take one of the best weapons in the game, and use a machine to make it do inhuman pixel perfect actions without mistakes, it is overpowered
Who would have seen that coming

[frigid shuttle]

again, it's obscene without perfect block cancelling

[meager echo]

the only busted macro rn is run cancel purgatus, quell cancel assail. qq cancel in some weapon like arbi shockmaul.
FS could fix the macro playstyle easily by extend the animation.

[frigid shuttle]

with perfect block canceling it's god-tier

[meager echo]

They have done it in vt2

[slow sky]

Rashad qq
Deimos qq

[meager echo]

deimos qq is not that strong because of no stagger. And the dps is not that crazy tbh.

[frigid shuttle]

I don't care about qq cancel argument, it was broken in vt2, it's broken here, fs doesn't fix, must mean they're okay with it

[slow sky]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240699184450109502/1420286540583669770/clip_1758692677032.mp4?ex=6902542a&is=690102aa&hm=6bdf95afebb88491baf496287fd61a85af4895bf65a7cffc41a79539d9244f08&

[sharp epoch]

i played with someone doing that he hit 3 mil in 40 mins

[meager echo]

I saw some psyker did it in maelstrom. Not worth doing over jsut playing flame staff tbh.

the run cancel on flame staff is really cancer

it's the old qq cancel infinite bullets.

[slow sky]

With the hit rate and crit psyker gets you are permanently immune to ranged with this
And youre dealing 4x the damage

[sonic kayak]

Average Dorfan gameplay

[hybrid plover]

Deimos gives you a means to take care of carapace a lot quicker

[slow sky]

The skill expression on psyker really is insane

I wish I was good enough to use a script

[sonic kayak]

Satisfying AF honestly

[hybrid plover]

Inferno staff is not good at taking out crushers quickly and it's the one real weakness it has.

[slow sky]

What is there to be satisfied about

Literally what

[frigid shuttle]

killing heretics

[slow sky]

Watching your computer play the game for you?

[frigid shuttle]

but qq cancel just looks bad

if it didn't look so goofy I'd probably try it

[red robin]

Ty sienna training in vt2 being translatable in darktide

[sonic kayak]

Proper skill expression on Psyker I mean

Not macros

[hybrid plover]

Macroing on the most overturned psyker staff to make it even more overtuned.

[frigid shuttle]

Ehh, there's a difference between having a bot play instead of you and having macros to not have to deal with combo shit.

[hybrid plover]

👏 👏

[slow sky]

If you do it manually
Idc
If you use a macro to do it 3x as fast with no effort or mistakes
Why not play warframe or something at that point

[red robin]

I’m all for saving wrists, but the real fun is improving and pushing your skill expression

[sonic kayak]

Still die to overheads

[frigid shuttle]

Not everyone cares about that.

[slow sky]

I see very little difference between those

Combos are part of the game

[narrow frost]

same problem as quell cancle, sure you can do this manually. So you script it to save your finder. but then they use it in every situation where they could never do. Even I couldnt quell cancel while sliding mid combat. But I could do it standing still

[red robin]

Anything past self gratification is ok in my book

[frigid shuttle]

a shit part that I would just ignore and play weapons that don't require them.

[narrow frost]

or walking

[frigid shuttle]

Or I'd just not play dt if all weapons were combo shits.

[hybrid plover]

One of the takes of All Time

Might as well be playing an MMO at that point tbh

[slow sky]

Combos are part of why tide is so good

[frigid shuttle]

Not for me.

[red robin]

Relic blade x vs 2 enjoyers

[narrow frost]

real

light spam isnt even the combo on 10

which is funny

because people default to it

[frigid shuttle]

There's no warhammer mmo that has quality new content.

[red robin]

That combo weave on the mk2 is goated

[slow sky]

Having attacks have different properties means you get freedom in how you use it depending on the situation

[narrow frost]

I love mk2

[slow sky]

People dont say melee combat in Skyrim is good
You just click until you have dealt the same 30 damage to an enemy until its dead

[red robin]

Love the light head taking that weaves into an uppercut

[slow sky]

They all have different angles but it doesnt matter

[frigid shuttle]

and if I could have 3 binds to do wave clear, single target overhead, single target stab, by default, then I'd be very happy.

[slow sky]

Then why play at all

[red robin]

Clanker mindset

[frigid shuttle]

because I enjoy killing heretics?

I find it fun.

[hollow ibex]

I mean combos are just one small part of darktide

[frigid shuttle]

Memorizing combos to get to the attack I want? Not something I enjoy.

If you enjoy that, great, you can do that and somebody using a mod to automate it (besides qq 3x faster spam) shouldn't really impact you too much.

[red robin]

Idk, do what ya want, my definition of fun is neither worse or better

[hollow ibex]

There’s so much more to darktide than clicking faster or slower every half second

[slow sky]

Theyre still a major part of active gameplay

[hollow ibex]

Only if you want it to be

It’s why there are weapons with braindead combos

[hybrid plover]

I feel this is an agree to disagree kind of scenario here.

[hollow ibex]

You can choose to engage with the mechanic, or just ignore it

[slow sky]

Which is true, thats part of the reason why those weapons exist
But when you take a weapon with deliberate combos to reach higher heights when used properly and just write a script to do that for you
What's the point

[hybrid plover]

I personally don't get it. I play Darktide to fully engage in the intricate combo systems though.

But I suppose it makes sense that someone doesn't really want to engage with that kind of complication.

[frigid shuttle]

to enjoy a weapon I like visually?

[hollow ibex]

For those that don’t want to engage with the mechanic, but don’t want to use Rashad 24/7 I think it’s fair game

[frigid shuttle]

I don't want to use a shovel, I want to use a bad ass power sword.

[hollow ibex]

Or if you have hand or arm issues

Combos are cool but also genuinely an accessibility problem lol

[slow sky]

Power sword is barely an example, there is 1 actual combo across both marks

[hybrid plover]

Like, I'll fully admit to using FullAuto because of that specifically and needing to click constantly isn't really as engaging to me.

[slow spade]

L -> L > Charge is an extremely complex combo UwU

[frigid shuttle]

I find the special activation spam to be extremely unfun.
so I just don't deal with it.

and I have lots of fun now.

[slow sky]

Thats.... inherently part of the weapon.... on purpose....

[frigid shuttle]

Ok?

I don't care.

If I couldn't automate it, I wouldn't use it.

So for me, it's a win, that I can automate it.

[hybrid plover]

But for the combos, I'd rather do those manually because it feels good to actually. Ya know. Invest in those combos.

[meager echo]

Unless you qq cancel on frame, no one will know you are using macro. And no one really care tbh. It's fatshark job to enforce the rule, not the players job.

[narrow frost]

counter point, with some situations it can ruin the team's fun. Example for this was the quell cancel macro

[frigid shuttle]

...

[narrow frost]

but it all comes downt to what the player wants

[meager echo]

That's very obvious tho.

[narrow frost]

if they want to have fun or win or both

its a video game

[sonic kayak]

You don't ruin my fun

[meager echo]

Anything qq related can be fixed easily. Like slayer qq cancel in vt2.

[slow spade]

There's no winning option tbh. Simple combos reduce skill expression

Complex combos make it difficult for more casual play

[slow sky]

We have weapons for both

[slow spade]

I think the mod is the most reasonable compromise

[slow spade]

Indeed, personally I think the current situation is fine enough

Further tuning would likely break something given fatshark's track record

[slow sky]

The simple weapons are super easy to use and do well with, the combo weapons are more complex but offer more freedom and a little bit better performance compared to the easier ones when used well

Its literally baked into how the weapons are designed

[slow spade]

My only issue is the simple weapons perform way better than the complex weapons

But that has its own merits too

[primal zealot]

thats a pretty broad generalization

[slow sky]

Mk3 vs mk 15 evis
Mk 6 vs mk 8 fgs
Mk 6 vs mk 3 power sword
Mk 2 vs mk 10 relic blade

Complex vs simple

[slow spade]

Yeah but I don't care enough to get specific and detailed

At the end of the day, Fatshark is going to buff psyker again

[frigid shuttle]

zealot buffs please

[red portal]

Are there any weapons that really have any super advanced combos. I find that most are pretty easy.

[meager echo]

The only way to make everyone happy is balancing havoc separately.
The game can't be balance around havoc.

[slow sky]

All class nerfs please

[red portal]

It's usually repeating patterns

[slow sky]

Enemy spawn count reductions and new attacks please

[slow spade]

They can't be too complex because you can easily get interrupted. It's recognizing which combo to use that's the hard part

[primal zealot]

reduced specialist spawns pls

[stuck gorge]

only specialist spawn mission when

[primal zealot]

i killed 110 specialists in auric the other night. felt a bit ... excessive

[slow spade]

Pox hound moment?

[primal zealot]

nope

[meager echo]

I have a match with 250+ specialist in auric. The spawn is broken

[slow spade]

Ah then rip

[primal zealot]

yea

i had like 1080 kills total

[slow sky]

The force greatswords have the most complex attack flowchart, with them having unique post pushfollow attacks, unique post push attacks, slide attack chain entrances, equip entrances, post special entrances, on top of the normal chains in the light and heavy attacks

[primal zealot]

so slightly more than 1/10 kills was a specialist. at this point theyre just slightly rare horde enemies

[slow sky]

Im convinced that the spawn rates are breaking special strikes

Causing them to not actually end

Resulting in like 3x as many specials as elites

[calm shard]

exe stance value

[hybrid plover]

I've noticed they do end but there are times where they just do not stop spawning for like

[meager echo]

this is not normal at all.

[hybrid plover]

Several minutes at a time

[slow sky]

Its not common but common enough to where its happening to people and youre noticing

[primal zealot]

idk id say its about 50% of missions just have these endless special hordes

[void dragon]

THAT is SERIOUSLY depressing numbers for an ogryn

[primal zealot]

kill one bomber two more spawn plus two of each flamer a few snipers 3 netters 3 mutants

[meager echo]

it's auric, so it's normal to have less experienced players in the game.

[red portal]

4.7 k taken....

How

[void dragon]

many wounds maybe?

[meager echo]

he's a chad in my book. Never give up .

[stuck gorge]

slurping up every medicae use i guess

[slow sky]

I dont have the full scoreboard but I have this screencap of me talking about it

[void dragon]

that is indeed a virtue

[red portal]

No they didn't use a single one

[stuck gorge]

a true martyr then

[tropic notch]

Crusher

Fgs

[tropic notch]

I think it’s pretty funny

[tall torrent]

uncanny op

[tall torrent]

gotta be bait

[past stratus]

they upped the difficulty quite a lot in the game don't they? I just queued a heresy because I haven't played in months and I get met with walls of crushers and 10 mutants rushing into my team

[hybrid plover]

Crusher is not complicated

[tall torrent]

also pure bait

actually worse

[tropic notch]

[hybrid plover]

Once you learn push attack is the bread and butter of a lot of its combos, it becomes pretty self explanatory.

[tropic notch]

I mean there isn’t any “hard” combo weapons in the game

[hybrid plover]

Also path I tried something kinda smelly with combat knife mk6 and I now have new propaganda to shout

Serrated lacerate, is not bad at all.

And I ran that without precision strikes

[tall torrent]

None is “complicated”

With that said

The coolest combo weapon in the game is DC7

Unfortunately DC swords’ stats are ass

[tall torrent]

Barrel urself

[tropic notch]

I was thinking about dc

[hybrid plover]

😭

[tropic notch]

It’s meme

Yeah we gotta kill u now…

[hybrid plover]

That meme got me the most melee kills in an h40 somehow

[tropic notch]

Do uncanny ft

[hybrid plover]

Even I was kinda like "wait this is better than it should be"

[tropic notch]

With serrated

Actually I run mk again on my knife

[hybrid plover]

And it doesn't rely need precision strikes so you can just put those points somewhere else

[tropic notch]

Mk with uncanny

Why are you not hitting the head with knife

Pls think about dis…

[frigid shuttle]

No, but you might've queue'd into hi-intensity modifier, maybe?

[hybrid plover]

It's not that I'm deliberately not heading heads more that the node in general doesn't particularly do much for that setup

[tall torrent]

I think only vet gun that doesn’t get value out of it is DB

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent how much damage is mk knife? What’s the benefits from running it?

[past stratus]

hmm idk, maybe?

[tropic notch]

What am I killing faster

[hybrid plover]

I was running with aoe bolter

[tropic notch]

[hybrid plover]

Was not half bad at all.

I mean being second in damage next to a shriek purge psyker is a pretty good sign

[meager echo]

I swear the spawn is broken in auric. Aint no way 300 specialist in 24mins is normal at all

[slow sky]

What's even better is when youre first in damage next to a purge psyker

[hybrid plover]

Yeah but it was garden

[slow sky]

Yeah? And?

[primal zealot]

on my first 40 way back in the day i beat a purge psyker on ogryn

[hybrid plover]

Not saying it isn't possible. But shriek purge ain't easy to beat in raw damage on those particularly because of how Garden works

Since, ya know

[tall torrent]

Eh
I guess it’s an ok drop but it’s pretty high on the copium content

[slow sky]

The mystical combo does it regularly

[hybrid plover]

Unfortunately, I was not using db

That being said, I should try said goofy ah knife with db

[meager echo]

I don't think anyone beat psyker if Perilous Combustion keep procing on soulblaze kill tbh.

[hybrid plover]

Double Barrel can

[tall torrent]

DB is basically fighting fire with fire lol

[hybrid plover]

Because the damage it does is immediate unlike Inferno which there's still a "wait" to get the damage going.

[tall torrent]

U beat “inf cleave” dot spam (magical) by playing inf cleave dot spam (physical)

And u do the same uncanny cheese

[hybrid plover]

It's just that inferno also dominoes into crazy values with the soul blaze stacks so it eventually will do exponentially more damage

[meager echo]

to be fair it's not as busted as psyker because you have to use ammo.

[tall torrent]

It’s pretty self sufficient

Given survivalist

[hybrid plover]

Double barrel is the only weapon I literally do not have ammo troubles with in high havoc

Ever

Because one shell has so much value

I usually just say to double dip crate if there's two other classes using ammo because I'm that confident I'm not actually going to have trouble in that regard.

[tribal dawn]

So how does one "use" the double-barrel. Call me bad if you want but I could never tell if it was for cc or boss damage.

[hybrid plover]

Cc

It's one of the best mixed horde clear weapons in the game

Run it with Weapon spec, always prepared, manstopper and flechette

[austere mica]

What if we had purgatus as a burst weapon with better range and direct damage

Dopamine cannon

[serene bough]

Bonk heretic, swap weapon, pull trigger, obliterate everything in front of you without armor

Rinse and repeat

[mystic oak]

Is power sword or power falcion more fun?

[austere mica]

Cutlass is more fun, basic PS is way better

[mystic oak]

I'll give it a try, I really hate the power sword playstyle of power up, swing

[tame lodge]

Power Sword is more fun since it kills everything

fun is subjective.png

[mystic oak]

I don't mind taking 4 years to kill something if I enjoy how I do it ngl

[tame lodge]

But yeah if you don't want to keep powering it

Go falchion

[mystic oak]

Same reason I'm not a fan of chainsword too

But I'll give falchion a try, hopefully it breaks me out this slump I have with melee

[slow sky]

If that doesn't work, the ever faithful mk1 shovel is right there

[cosmic sundial]

@tall torrent can you still help?

[umbral flame]

I've been shovel maxxing too long I'm trying to figure out what to use

[tall torrent]

on overwatch?

[gloomy rivet]

ragers HATE when I pull out my Helbore bayonet

[stuck gorge]

ragers HATE when I do anything

[calm shard]

man if you like that shovel so much why don't you dig your own grave with it

[tame lodge]

It just so happens that the heretics are the dirt

Keep digging

[surreal rune]

recon vet with no target priority who refuses to pull out his melee and also sprays hordes down

[void dragon]

seriously arby dogo is better anti ranged gunners than some vets i had, both auric and havoc

[surreal rune]

they started flaming the team when they died

literally

if im already engaging an armor pack

why would someone shoot at them

the recon isnt that good against armor

there are also other threats to be watching for

such as specialists and ranged

if i already have that situation covered, why not handle the situation which i currently may not deal with and am less proficient at dealing with

[surreal rune]

they died whenever a horde came because they never pulled out their melee

they also used up all of the ammo frivolously, which i assume was ammo not well spent because they would rather shoot everything

[junior grail]

That's why Melee Vet

[umbral flame]

love when I'm trying to regen toughness and recon vet decides that he needs to crowd control on my behalf from across the map

[cosmic sundial]

Why does aim assist pull my aim away from enemies bruh

[frigid shuttle]

recon las goes brrrrr

[surreal rune]

i think they relied purely upon krak grenades for armor

and voice of command for crowd control

[tame lodge]

It's "helping"

[frigid shuttle]

What melee?

[surreal rune]

combat axe

they also didn't ever push bursters

actually, they always shot them

[uncut ore]

I just realised why I've been sucking so bad with the recon lasgun

I forgor there are different variants...

[surreal rune]

especially when one of us were trying to push a burster

[frigid shuttle]

that is really annoying.

[fair shale]

@tall torrent what do you run on vigilant? Deadly accurate and surgical?

[plain quest]

Rate my fit roughnecks 🗣️‼️

[heavy rover]

I'm a sucker for that jacket so that's a 10/10 from me

[obtuse finch]

What melee goes well with this build

[tepid otter]

was that the tank operator jacket , or whatchamacallit

[narrow frost]

literally anything, You have every meaningful buff for melee

I recommend tactical axe for the mobility and horde clear since I see you are using exstance so I assumne ranged focus build

[fair shale]

Isn't this Bath's?

[hybrid plover]

Only things that wouldn't work well are things that aren't great against carapace rlly

[fair shale]

Or real close to it

[hybrid plover]

It's

The Build ™

[fair shale]

Tbh yeah

[hybrid plover]

Also I feel tac axe would be best for that build ya

[tepid otter]

Me when I got two of the reload nodes on my boltgun build lmao

[hybrid plover]

Especially given the rending strikes there.

[obtuse finch]

No idea. Got pinged with it

[obtuse finch]

this is what im using (spam heavy attack, block, and push)

[fair shale]

I run almost that but with trench instead of field improv and a PS 6

[narrow frost]

looks all good

[obtuse finch]

alright

thanks lads

much appreciated

[narrow frost]

its the build TM

[obtuse finch]

luv me autogun

there are many like it

but this one is mine

[tepid otter]

love me bolbgun

also mine

[hybrid plover]

Bit of a suggestion here

Might wanna trade unyielding for carapace

Because knife already does crazy unyielding damage as is and crushers have become more of an issue with the update.

Plus you already have Bring it Down.

[obtuse finch]

heres the thing my man

i have

infinite grenades

[hybrid plover]

I would not count on grenade regen entirely for crushers if you're talking kraks

Demo team sometimes just won't proc when you think it should and the next thing you know, you're out of luck

[gentle lake]

can you spam it repeatedly on the same enemy

[pearl thorn]

i haven’t played vet in a bit. is the power falchion a good replacement for the power sword

[fair shale]

No

[tepid otter]

Not as good but it does alright

[hybrid plover]

I think so but I don't think it really does anything unless you have higher stacks than the previous mark

[hybrid plover]

It's not nearly as strong for a variety of reasons. But it's okay.

It works.

Just. Don't take a group of ragers head on.

[pearl thorn]

im gonna take a group of ragers head on

pro vet strat

[hybrid plover]

Your funeral.

[tepid otter]

your name shall be remembered

or not

[pearl thorn]

probably second option

[tepid otter]

guard

[pearl thorn]

what is the power falchion dump stat and blessings

[tepid otter]

Mobility, and I got Cranial and Leakage on it

I mostly see Cranial and Wrath on it, so prolly dealers choice

[pearl thorn]

and perks?

[hybrid plover]

Cara unyielding

[pearl thorn]

thank you

[pseudo fiber]

It's cranial + leakage/wrath/heatsync

I run heat on mine personally

[pearl thorn]

and uh what mark is preferably?

[pseudo fiber]

I think the mk1 is better now

But they're both okay

It's a weapon that is mid

[tepid otter]

I like the combo on the mk 1

cuz PA stab

[pearl thorn]

thanks

[frigid shuttle]

power sword to delete carapace spam

[midnight wyvern]

Modder discord

If nobody else told you

I dunno if I can send invites in here so I won't

[junior grail]

Too bad there isn't a cosmetic version

Just wanna custom paint like in SM2

[uncut ore]

at least I did better than the bot

[junior grail]

Highest coherency efficiency. Already better teammate than most randos

[surreal rune]

does the plasma hit any noticeable breakpoints with redirect fire stacks or focus target mark

[orchid hemlock]

what is the fastest way to do this event I already feel bored

[surreal rune]

play in aurics, pick the high intensity missions

just, play the game

[orchid hemlock]

fuck

I hate having to collect these stupid rations

[surreal rune]

youll get it fast

[ember halo]

Yeah, I’d say this event has been the lamest of all I’ve done

[surreal rune]

one picked up by one player counts for the whole team

[orchid hemlock]

Ive tried aurics and all of them have been bots tonight

[ember halo]

Like at least make it so you don’t need to switch weapons to keep or destroy them

[surreal rune]

its weird that

picking up rations while blocking or aiming

will force you to stay aiming

or blocking

unless you switch weapons

[ember halo]

And there’s always that one person in the middle of a horde or pox buster/special rush that is running around picking rations up. And it’s not even the ogryns. Even they can control themselves

[hollow ibex]

The mod helps otherwise it’s super ass

And takes forever either way

To progress

[orchid hemlock]

which mod?

[sharp epoch]

each run gives like 400 rations its not that hard

[surreal rune]

the new bolter mark may be good with redirect fire and focus target

but

it seriously blows up every barrel with its splash

[misty minnow]

Lol I will be right there ooo shiny

[orchid hemlock]

is it better to destroy or eat

[hollow ibex]

Uh idr the name but it helps pick up rations for you automatic

[misty minnow]

Take them

[hollow ibex]

Eat

Destroy modifier sucks

[orchid hemlock]

[hollow ibex]

Makes boring games

[wild vortex]

Sick of dealing with RAAAAAAAAAAAAH and Ogryn spam tbh

Gonna have screaming muties in my dreams tonight

[orchid hemlock]

whats the best class at finishing this event?

ig for the mods

[hollow ibex]

Doesn’t really matter at all

[hollow ibex]

That’s still 12 games, and I often see less than 400 with lazy ass teams

[surreal rune]

none of them play much differently

zealot can easily do a lot dps for the bosses and ogryns

[orchid hemlock]

ig if its ogryn spam than psyker or ogryn

[hollow ibex]

Krak vet goes hard with ogryn spam

[ember halo]

I found IAG vet with kraks has done wonders. The muties all run in a fucking line. I took out 8 of them with one clip last night

Jsut aim and shoot at one and they all die.

[tepid otter]

noice

I just throw a shredder nade down, it still staggers them apparently

[unreal nova]

You can beg a team to let you leave and rejoin.

Like, friend one of them and do that.

[frigid shuttle]

mfw max height isn't ideal for doing killshot ready, since mobs are too short

[blissful stump]

gotta love the totally meta comp, Mr Arsonist staff psyker, bolt gun dispshit (yours truely), bluntforce tarauma zealot, and Mr. I only have the Smite key Bound Psyker

[hollow ibex]

Smite

Meta

[blissful stump]

i literally did not see that man press any keys besides sprint movement and smite, i dont know if he was aware he had a melee, i watched him just smite a single burster to death for like a solid 20 sec

[narrow widget]

shouldve barreled him

like all smykers deserve

[uncut ore]

I was not cooking today

[hollow ibex]

Average smyker

Reminds me of that clip from dom

Where he spends a minute pushing a burster into a smyker

And the smyker never realized

Into the moment he got exploded

[blissful stump]

all ii know is that they were suprised crushers were dying (i did funny things and caved in their skulls with boltgun)

so like theres a legit debate on if he knew what game he was playing

[frigid shuttle]

probably doing the penance

(hopefully)

the alternative is too bleak to contemplate.

[blissful stump]

i dont think he was

i want to be hopefully but i saw to much to be hopefull

[frigid shuttle]

oh my god, scopes are op

why do I need to mod, to use them on all weapons

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1431749474740605028/goteem.mp4?ex=6902809b&is=69012f1b&hm=cf58bc6c98860e42120a93b725a535cea4ec2905f10929f393ac9f7e3b0fb5a5&

This clip lol

Some smykers in #psyker-class got really worked up over it

[tepid otter]

I mean...

Why tho

[blissful stump]

have they tried having situational awareness?

[hollow ibex]

Deep hatred I guess lol

[hollow ibex]

Lack of situational awareness is prob why turns people into smykers to begin with

[blissful stump]

like just use spider sense

[frigid shuttle]

I mean, that's just being a bit of a cunt.

like, if you hate smykers so much, leave or kick them?

reminds me of some arbi, who refused to drop down because someone told him to stop rushing

[wild vortex]

Gotta respect the commitment to the troll

That said

DS4 Plasma Vet

[blissful stump]

dont hate em, enough to just leave or kick, cause like theyre still doing things at the end of the day, but it is fun to mess with em

[ionic field]

Yo kinda new to the class but is the Helbore any good?

[tepid otter]

top tier weapon

[tepid otter]

but when the other way around happens, all hell breaks loose

[ionic field]

What are the good blessings for each mark?

[hollow ibex]

True…

[tepid otter]

Dunno about other marks, I just have the same ones for all of them

Which is like Surgical + Weight of Fire

[hollow ibex]

Surgical and then armorbane or weight of fire

[hybrid plover]

Ima be real. This is precisely why smite shouldn't even be in the game

This right here.

Why should I need to leave or kick somebody just to actually uh, play the game?

[wild vortex]

I'll play with a smyker any day over a stealth knife zealot

[hollow ibex]

Yeah it’s a bit much but smyker fucked around and found out.

[frigid shuttle]

I think inferno staff is annoying as well, should it be okay to grief them as well?

[wild vortex]

[hollow ibex]

Dom asked the guy to stop

[ionic field]

Okay thanks! btw does it do good boss damage?

[hollow ibex]

He didn’t stop

[wild vortex]

At least the smyker doesn't run 100 yards ahead of the team aggroing everything and then bails

[hollow ibex]

Yep.

[hybrid plover]

I'm not saying it's okay to grief them. I'm saying the fact that you're here saying to leave or kick someone because they're using an ability that adversely affects the way the game feels for everyone is a sign that it shouldn't even exist.

[blissful stump]

i mean its fine to grief anyone ngl as long as your not throwing a light amount of trolling is always okay, but the inferno staff is just good imo, smite is just white if i stun shit infenantly and do no damage

[frigid shuttle]

[willow prairie]

well at least inferno psyker do thing

literally any team benefit more from not having a smyker

[frigid shuttle]

uhh

[blissful stump]

i mean, stun be nice sometimes

[wild vortex]

Smite is kinda redundant anyway when trauma does the same thing but better and does a shit ton of damage

[blissful stump]

but like pls do damage as well

[hybrid plover]

I'm not even saying Smite is bad. Smite is actually insanely good, but for reasons that are counterintuitive to the flow of the game.

[hollow ibex]

Smites strong but it’s just a terribly designed ability

[hybrid plover]

Call me salty but I have left a Havoc once before.

Because the person was using the infinite scrier's smite build.

And the game, was an absolute chore to play.

It wasn't fun.

I don't even think I would have felt any fulfillment from completing that game.

So like, why even bother?

[wild vortex]

I'd still rather play that than play with a knife stealth zealot main character

[willow prairie]

knife zealot is good but whatever

[hybrid plover]

THAT'S AT LEAST FUNNY

[wild vortex]

Sure, the people piloting it are just total shitters 99% of the time

[hybrid plover]

Playing with an infinite smiter is as engaging as watching paint dry.

[hollow ibex]

Oh boy

[blissful stump]

true, but its not worth leaving over imo

[hollow ibex]

Had a huge argument in #psyker-class with people who didn’t see this as a problem

I’m using people very loosely here

[uncut ore]

chat, I'm having a problem, the difference in how i perform from Damnation VS Auric falls off by a factor of 10

[sharp epoch]

smyker is a free win in havoc its pretty busted

[midnight wyvern]

Real

[frigid shuttle]

practice

what is killing you?

[uncut ore]

yes

melee mostly

[hybrid plover]

When you're playing a high havoc that can take potentially over half an hour and then have someone that's most likely going to significantly lengthen that time to an absolute crawl?

[wild vortex]

More blocking and shoving

Helps a lot

Also try to not get surrounded / get out pronto if you do

[uncut ore]

can't seem to land a hit without getting hit myself

need a better weapon? or am I just that bad

[hybrid plover]

what weapon are you using?

[sharp epoch]

It's like a chorus zealot though, the clear time depends on the rest of the team

[uncut ore]

power sword

[hybrid flame]

Use the right mark and combo for your situation. Wide sweeping hits for crowd control, high damage overheads for bigbads

Spacing is important, you can usually be further back than you think

[hybrid plover]

Chorus zealot ain't freezing the game permanently.

[uncut ore]

it's always crowd situations that get me, I can't seem to time the charge and swing without getting hit

[hybrid plover]

I'm not speaking hyperbole when I say they were doing it, quite literally at all times.

[uncut ore]

I either keep blocking and shove, and not fix the situation

or try and land a hit and get attacked before I land

[hybrid plover]

Power sword is a tricky one honestly.

[sharp epoch]

Yes, but it will only slow the game to a crawl if the rest of the team isn't clearing them efficiently

[hybrid flame]

Opening with heavies not always good

Be even more preemptive when proccing special

[hybrid plover]

The issue is that a person smiting this much isn't letting the horde actually funnel for the team to take care of it in a timely manner.

[uncut ore]

like in damnation I was damn near carrying, so I move over to Auric and I'm the weak link 90% of the time

[hollow ibex]

Be careful about timing dodges and charges. Use block cancel. Push liberally. PS requires thoughtful play.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1429357012969455718/6F10801.MP4?ex=69025e34&is=69010cb4&hm=067614773f149c0e7863de633c586a34fb90224153abebde693ea3d52715a883&

Practice against bruises in the psyk

[hybrid plover]

If we maybe had a BtL arby knocking everyone down, that would have been different.

[hollow ibex]

They’re the biggest common threat

[sharp epoch]

Ehh funneling is not very necessary, just kill the stunned elites and horde will just die from smite or just ignore them

Most games with smite psyker doesn't drastically increase my clear time

[hybrid plover]

Do they smite

Literally

100% of the time

[sharp epoch]

Yes and they top damage some times

[hybrid plover]

Awful.

[uncut ore]

I also worry that I just have a really bad build or something, I'm ride or die for Executioners stance, and i've got some pretty good builds that work well (in everything except auric) and I worry i'm just not meta enough or something

[hollow ibex]

ES is very strong. You could post your build here if you want

[sharp epoch]

The main complaint is that it's OP and also very easy to play at the same time, but it doesn't really make games slow to a crawl

[hybrid plover]

It did in this case.

[uncut ore]

I've yet to figure out how to screenshot to full tree lol

[hybrid plover]

Maybe that was because the smiter wasn't actually using EP either.

Because hordes were not dying to that shit at all.

[uncut ore]

but here are my weapons of choice

[sharp epoch]

Probably, the smykers I've seen can top damage and do it 100% of the time

and they take EP

[hybrid plover]

You don't want Headhunter on that recon.

[wild vortex]

Desperately need finesse on that Psword

And Dumdum on recon

[hybrid plover]

PS needs finesse.

And Thrust is awful on Power Sword.

Probably the worst blessing on that weapon.

[wild vortex]

Holy no Power Cycler

[blissful stump]

holy

[hollow ibex]

Oh just dupe it out in games lantern

[wild vortex]

No wonder you're not doing damage

You're just hitting the mobs with a wooden paddle

[hollow ibex]

Oh Jesus no power cycler

Brave man

[hybrid plover]

Yeah it's not even that you're not playing "meta"

You straight up just have a chalked build.

At least weapon wise.

[hollow ibex]

At least he has crit chance on recon

[hybrid plover]

So I see that this is not an upgraded weapon.

The power sword.

Do not upgrade that.

That is the literal worst stat allocation you can get with Power Sword.

[uncut ore]

I just started rolling power swords, It's my weakest link rn

[hybrid plover]

If you're looking for a power sword, Cleave Targets is your dump stat for it.

[uncut ore]

this is the build I have as of right now

[hybrid plover]

So the tree isn't terrible if you're trying to go MMF.

But there can be some improvements here.

Also, I hate to break this to you but recon isn't the best weapon to use with MMF.

Because MMF is heavily finesse based with its bonus and Recon Lasguns tend not to have great finesse.

[uncut ore]

I'm not diehard abour mmf

[willow prairie]

bro im fucking stupid

I was wondering why vt2 run like shit then i realize i was on dx11

i forgor

[uncut ore]

should I go back to FT and re-bind spot to M1?

[hybrid plover]

Eh I do have a funny feeling about binding spot to M1 but naturally, FT would work better

[uncut ore]

I really don't know how else that keystone is supposed to be played 😭

[hybrid plover]

I mean if not Focus Target, tbh weapon specialist is also a pretty valid option with those two

[uncut ore]

also would WS be a terrible pick? That crit bonous lookin kinda spicy

[hollow ibex]

I bind FT to RMB personally

Or ping rather

[hybrid plover]

Crit bonus doesn't do much for recon las since it's guaranteed on the first set of shots.

But, the increased RoF is notable.

And I suppose the crit bonus will still often immediately proc infernus on whatever you shoot first

Which is nice.

[willow prairie]

you don't really want to spam ft though

stack

[hollow ibex]

Nah FT is meant to be spammed

[frigid shuttle]

optics are hax

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a03a19f2-a17a-4384-b2da-ee48989bce89/recon-power-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button I've ran this before with power sword and recon

it works

Excuse The Build ™

[orchid hemlock]

Did someone say RECON??? 😈

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[uncut ore]

hmm, no Shock Trooper? might as well just go back to the INF Autogun MKV then

[hybrid plover]

you'd be surprised how usable recon is without shocktrooper

[uncut ore]

whole reason I made the switch was bc I was chewing through ammo

[hybrid plover]

Then this is something you gotta work on actually.

[uncut ore]

I'm not missing, I just shoot a lot

[hybrid plover]

Exactly my point.

[uncut ore]

hmm

[hybrid plover]

You don't want to do that. Common misconception with vet at first is that it's supposed to be the shooty gun gun class.

And while that's not entirely untrue, it still has to abide by the same mantra this game goes by.

"Melee is king."

Shock troop does sorta let you stray from that, but shock troop is also a big investment in the tree to have.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah melee is the primary weapon slot in this game after all

[uncut ore]

I'm gonna give this build a try

skill kinda has everything I'm looking for

also now that I'm actually looking all my melee weapons are crap

wrong stats, wrong blessings, ect, ect

I have been neglecting my mele weapons as vet

melee with vet just isn't scratching that same itch other classes give

[hybrid plover]

probably because you don't have good weapons for it

[umbral flame]

melee vet is awesome

[hybrid plover]

Melee vet goes hard.

[umbral flame]

save gun for big scary guys far away

[hollow ibex]

For shame cuz melee vet is awesome. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422251612688355411/50CA021.MP4?ex=6902e2c8&is=69019148&hm=053c0e86096da26234bcce79c976f540119d80ada622ca94d8d21aacc5891458&

You can even juice dogshit weapons like the falchion to be pretty good

[willow prairie]

melee vet is kinda harder to play since you can't unga bunga it

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah Vet atm has the best melee weapon in the game

[willow prairie]

the solution is unga bunga harder

can't get hit if everything is dead

[uncut ore]

also which recon is the best, I know everyone runs the XII but in auric i just feel like it's tickling people

[willow prairie]

also the push do damage?

vic is the good one

[willow prairie]

xii is ass

not even good at infernus stick

[hollow ibex]

XII is just a total noob magnet

[hollow ibex]

It is but nobody plays it that way lol

[willow prairie]

vic stack burn just fine and don't take years to kill anything

[hybrid plover]

XII is a noob magnet but I cannot justifiably call it "ass"

It is still a very good weapon.

[hollow ibex]

It’s a bit worse than VIc but yeah definitely not ass

[willow prairie]

yeah because you can just shoot with the vic and something will die

[hollow ibex]

The PA is very strong on mk1 yeah

[willow prairie]

no i mean push

[uncut ore]

been having fun with the XIV so far

but I haven't really given VIc a try yet

[uncut ore]

yeah I don't like it either

like I said, feels like tickling enemies

[hollow ibex]

No it doesn’t do damage

Would be weird if it did

[willow prairie]

yeah but video

idk what im looking at

[hollow ibex]

I think that’s just the hit marker

Not actually doing damage

[uncut ore]

my game just crashed

probably a sign to go to bed or something

gn yall

[willow prairie]

oh nvm i see it now

[frigid shuttle]

recon las is such a blaster.

bruh

bruuuuh

[hollow ibex]

Karma for penance cheesing with recon las instead of treating MMF with the respect it deserves

[austere mica]

Recon isn't even the best way to do it

Zarona combat shotgun is

[tribal dawn]

what the traitor captain sees as soon as his shield goes down

[austere mica]

(Its going to be wasted on the shield because someone will burst them as soon as it drops)

[tribal dawn]

(fuckin thunder hammer)

[austere mica]

Not even

Just about anything can, it's like 10000 hp

[tribal dawn]

Yeah even the story mode captain dies ridiculously fast with a well oriented team

They're kind of a joke xd.

[austere mica]

You can't make bosses dangerous individually in dt

Not without making them bullshit

[tribal dawn]

Yeah. And that's honestly fair.

[junior grail]

Unless we have a raid style boss where it is indestructible except for weakspots it reveals once in a while

[tribal dawn]

I remember someone suggesting a Death Guard space marine boss fight but like, I dunno.

[hybrid flame]

But like, why?

[tame lodge]

It's going to be treated the same way

500 thousands kraks

1 Skullcrusher boy

[dapper coyote]

Even if we add mortarion to the game

It will be still the same

Some vet with plasma and 1000 kraks

Some ogryn with shield or pickaxe

[hallow drift]

I’ll do you one better

[dapper coyote]

Some zealot with a thunderhammer

And some psyker with the most broken weapons imaginable

[hallow drift]

Psyker gets a hot bowl of soup with infinite cleave

[frigid shuttle]

"mortarion one shot build for thunderhammer"

[dapper coyote]

Mortarion build with shock maul

stun lock him

[frigid shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-bardin-nod-gif-25545419

[tame lodge]

The best part of this is how Morrow just treats it as an everyday thing

[distant mural]

Mortarion:“Fuck im cooked!“

[hallow drift]

I want this armor back in the store so bad

Not even for myself. Just been keeping an eye out for a buddy because it’s the one cosmetic he’d actually pick up 💀

It’s his Kriegtonite

[dapper coyote]

Seen some shit

[meager echo]

What perk and blessing should I use on DB shotgun.
Is it Flak + maniac , flechette + man stopper ?

[dapper coyote]

Ask epic cole

[hollow ibex]

yup

[dapper coyote]

Uhh

[dapper coyote]

All of them is correct

All of it

[frigid shuttle]

wdym store, it's penance one?

[hybrid flame]

Isn't that one dummy ez to get too? Just use the one ability as it's intended and you'll make like 5% progress or more per mission

[hallow drift]

Oh no I thought it was the chest one

This one

I play off and on so I've missed it a couple times throughout the years, but I feel like every time I start playing Darktide again the fucking Krieg set comes back lmao

Fatshark jingling keys in front of the whales

[meager echo]

macro deimos get called out

[silver patrol]

the macro to swapcancel recovery?

[hybrid plover]

god i love double barrel vet

[silver patrol]

if only it did anything to armor

[hybrid plover]

that's what the melee and kraks are for

[meager echo]

qq cancel

[silver patrol]

yeah, it's that one

[meager echo]

I love it too, DB playstyle is so satisfying.

[steel veldt]

what is qq cancel

how does it work

[red portal]

You swap your weapon back and forth really quick to reset the combo

[meager echo]

It's weapon swap after certain timing to skip the animation. The psyker in my screen shot using a macro to do it automatically. He got scold by my teammates.

[red portal]

But some weapons can increase their attack speed by doing aswell like the tac axe or Deimos.

So people make macros to do it inhumanly fast.

[steel veldt]

Interesting

[willow prairie]

man™ kruber mace is so ass

[meager echo]

the only kruber weapon I like is mace and sword. Other stuff is so weak compare to elf weapons.

[red portal]

I have used mace and shield on gk

[meager echo]

Elf get all the best weapons in that game lol. SnD, javelin.

[willow prairie]

elf weapon is ass against mixed horse

I like exe, ls, msword

mace and shield also pretty good

[red portal]

Tbh I like the shield weapons especially on the double melee classes

[willow prairie]

half of kruber weapon straight up unusable on non mercenary

like exe and basically all the blunt weapon

[meager echo]

I enjoy playing mercenary, but his montroscity dmg is so ass...

[red portal]

I think sword Is pretty decent

[willow prairie]

why sword when you can use gs

[midnight wyvern]

horse

[red portal]

Faster animations.

[midnight wyvern]

is that just a beastmen slur?

[willow prairie]

also yeah 1h sword struggle against mixed horde and armor

[midnight wyvern]

I have been really enjoying dual swords/SoT

but im pretty sure thats meta

[willow prairie]

sword and dagger is meta for kerillian

[midnight wyvern]

I like that too but swords be swording

[meager echo]

I think it's okay as a debuff weapon, not that good for raw dps.

[willow prairie]

straight up do everything the weapon

[meager echo]

SnD is way better

[midnight wyvern]

I like the daggers too

helps that it was my first red

[willow prairie]

dual sword have shit tons of crit for no reason

[midnight wyvern]

yeah, spams blackvenom

[willow prairie]

meanwhile shit like 1h axe stay mega ass

i literally only use it on whc or zealot

[midnight wyvern]

are the javelins on Keri good btw?

[willow prairie]

ker axe is good on handmaiden ig

uh its op

[midnight wyvern]

I don't remember using them and using them now they feel odd lol

[willow prairie]

infinite ammo good cleave good stagger

[midnight wyvern]

skill issue i see

[meager echo]

if you know how to aim with the bullet drop off, it's very strong.

[willow prairie]

its probably the best one unless you're going for boss damage

then longbow is better

[midnight wyvern]

buh

muh hagbane

[willow prairie]

HAG

[meager echo]

hagbane is very strong aswell

[midnight wyvern]

god that thing is dumb

[meager echo]

the infinite amo build on waystalker

[midnight wyvern]

how to piss off your teammates:

[midnight wyvern]

yea thats what I use with it lol

SoT I like the staff for the utility tbh

[meager echo]

Bro that weapon is legit, It's very strong.

[midnight wyvern]

[willow prairie]

I wish kerillian would caress my cock like her staff

😋

[midnight wyvern]

I've touched warrior priest once since coming back and its still giga dented

gotta stay away for longer

[willow prairie]

wp is uh

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-depths-with-you-cat-depths-to-the-depths-gif-7441909642438936732

[willow prairie]

zero damage

but ranges revive

and corruption res

[meager echo]

The only thing I know about warrior priest is the Flail spamming xD

[midnight wyvern]

have not personally had issues with damage on WP

[meager echo]

My favorite character is battle wizzard. The fire claw spamming.

I don't even remember the weapon name.

infinite cleave and high stagger

[willow prairie]

fire sword

dagger also have the same move

[meager echo]

i think the aoe is smaller

[willow prairie]

the h1 is also infinite cleave

but more awkward angle

[tepid otter]

whoa

[midnight wyvern]

unchained my goat

[willow prairie]

unchained player when they get their oc to 80% then get shot by ratling gunner

[scenic basin]

Anybody got a H40 build for Helbore + exe stance?

[spark helm]

Unchained makes me frown

[mortal aspen]

AQSHYYYYYYY AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[elder vessel]

I like unchained she is my favvvvvvvv

if you dont like her im afraid you are simply bad and lonely

[spark helm]

Only subclass I like more for the flavor than gameplay unfortunately.

Eh

Mm...yeah

Way more into the other subclasses.

[elder vessel]

literally magic zealot its awesome sauce

[spark helm]

Pyromancer and necromancer to be more specific. Battle wizard is fine too

[dark surge]

really good

although they nerfed it justifiably its still a good option for basically

anything

[spark helm]

Still very strong just a matter of build and execution

[dark surge]

best would be to take it on handmaiden or sister

[mortal aspen]

as a ranged weapon it sucks

it's only worth for the melee

[dark surge]

javelin has ok special sniping bps and you also get infinite ammo on top

it does have one of the strongest monster dps though

[spark helm]

Not really no. Waystalker, handmaiden and thorn sis make use of it frequently

Especially the first two last I played.

[dark surge]

as long as you have 20% skaven 20% monster you can 1sbs assassin and 1shs/2sbs ratling warpfire hook leech blight

[spark helm]

Like "not really no" to jav being a bad ranged option

Idr if jav can be on shade

[scenic basin]

bump

[mortal aspen]

I'd rather take moonbow for infinite ammo or longbow

javelin "reload" is annoying, and it has lower range

[serene bough]

Haven't played VT2

I remember looking at and thinking "hey if this was 40k id totally play"

[toxic flicker]

Sameeee

Just don't like sigmar personally

If i wanted fantasy i would play more of skyrim and oblivion

[turbid ibex]

funny rats tho

[midnight wyvern]

rude

[midnight wyvern]

they're not real

[turbid ibex]

no u

[toxic flicker]

Not my cup of tea bro chill

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[midnight wyvern]

rude

why does a dude you have no interaction with what so ever in the game have a bearing on you playing it or not?

do you submit to daddy god emperor to play darktide?

@mortal aspen I need to steal that emoji

[mortal aspen]

you have my permission to steal it

[midnight wyvern]

can't believe he ctrl Z'd his messages like that

[serene bough]

I just dont find WH fantasy as interesting

Sigmar sounds cool though

[stuck fable]

Hey so does anyone here know of the gaurdsmen that charged at Horus with nothing but a bayenet? Ollanius Pius? I'm tryna make a build based off of him like something to get the most out of the bayenet on the lasbore gun

[scenic basin]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ollanius_Pius

[stuck fable]

Yeah?

[surreal rune]

where are

plasma gunners in the psykanium

[tall torrent]

Not there yet

Need creature spawner

[crisp oak]

Javs are good in the friendly fire meta

[surreal rune]

this game so fun when you ignore the dueling sword's existence

[void dragon]

What Dueling sword? There is no dueling sword in Aroma Prime

[dapper coyote]

Ah yes, I remember that we are going to the mythical factory of perfume

Where Hadrons is very excited about

[distant mural]

Omg lol

[dapper coyote]

Secrets of Moebian Aroma

[distant mural]

Aroma prime

This took me a minute😂

Eau de toilette

Literally

[void dragon]

Damned abominable Intelligence know as autocorrect

[stuck fable]

This doesn't really answere my question

[distant plaza]

another user from here posted this
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-havoc

[sudden cedar]

@stuck fable It could be this one: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ollanius_Piers

[serene bough]

There isn't a build that focuses more on using the bayonet on the helbore

There used to be back when bromentum worked on the bayonet but that was patched

[heavy rover]

Oh hey das me

There's a lot of flexibility in it so feel free to make changes to suit your preferences

[toxic flicker]

W player encountered

Respect earned

[scenic basin]

There's 2 people that can be referred as Ollanius Pius. Ollanious Persson (the prepetual and the one who was killed by Horus, posing as a guardsman. He wasnt actually a guardsman) and Ollanius Piers, and actual guardsman that died to Angron during the defense of Eternity Wall Spaceport. In-universe the are kinda mushed together due to shenanigans of a historian.

[sudden cedar]

@stuck fable And apologies, i did not quite read everything you wrote there.

[scenic basin]

As for weapons Piers is depicted with a plasma in an illustration, but I don't remember his weapon actually being mentioned. Persson had a "lasrifle" and a bayonet he used during WW1 @stuck fable

Here's Piers facing Angron

[umbral scaffold]

I gotta do that penance now where I need to finish a malice mission without taking melee damage. would Rolling Steel be the fastest mission for it?

[scenic basin]

Also forgot to mention that Persson also had Anathema dagger for a bit which he handed to Big E during the battle with Horus. And I found an illustration of him facing Horus @stuck fable

[void dragon]

Stuff like this is why I feel that plasma rifle should be anti caparace weapon,it's so odd that is not great Vs it

[scenic basin]

He still got insta killed, plasma didn't help him much

[void dragon]

Would not be different from our rejects tbh

[sudden cedar]

This is funny, because its two persons with very similar names.

[void dragon]

Angry would bslap us to a stain in the wall

[sudden cedar]

Ollanius Persson is the actual soldier that defended the Emperor against Horus. Ollanius Piers is just some trooper that did not really do anything of note but got credited by a historian/remembrancer

Although soldier does not describe it very well, since Ollanius Persson was a perpetual.

Ollanius Pius itself does not exist but is made up, probably from these two persons

[scenic basin]

Yea,solider is a big understatement. He knew Enuncia and shit

[sudden cedar]

Still got obliterated by Horus.

[void dragon]

Some primarchs and the Emperor had a hard time with it, give him some slack

[silver patrol]

imagine living 45k years and you are just a guardsman after all that

[scenic basin]

He wasn't even an actual guardsman, just him and a bunch of other perpetuals

[silver patrol]

he is depicted as a guardsman isn't he

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[scenic basin]

He just pretended to be one

[silver patrol]

yeah i mean

wear some armor bro

[void dragon]

Armor would not protect him from a Bslap from a demon primarch I fear

[sudden cedar]

He does not need armor, he is a Perpetual

[fair shale]

Nah idk thats still what, a 5+ save or something?

[fair shale]

Tbf different types exist iirc, and not all respawn

[sudden cedar]

True

[fair shale]

Fate worse than death tbh

Cursed to respawn in the IoM

[scenic basin]

Could be worse. At least it's not Commoragh

[fair shale]

I don't think they're all that incomparable tbh

Who knows

Actually people on commorragh are respawning anyway iirc

Something about haemonculi having back up bodies for the souls