veteran-class

[thin stone]

Just that shovel doesn't scale well to havocs

[serene bough]

idk if people bring rashad to H40 but thats probably your next best pick

[unreal nova]

Dunno how far though and depends on modifier.

[heavy rover]

I mean I've watched chocoB use shovel on havoc 40, so they look pretty usable with the right build

[thin stone]

Send build

Or video link

And how old was that?

[hollow ibex]

shovel's usable, it's just not going to be great

also a player like chocob can prob make anything work lol

not exactly the most enlightening example

[thin stone]

Yeh

I'm not the most amazing player

[steep flower]

I haven’t seen that weapon used in ages

[heavy rover]

he posted it a week ago, link is timestamped to the gameplay https://youtu.be/hit1OQoJ8-E?si=y7U_M64S4A1ehVzi&t=1145

Not sure what his full build was like though

though you can tell he was using krak grenades, uncanny strike, and decimator

[umbral scaffold]

Get good at melee. One of the biggest issues I struggled with when I was trying to get decent with vet was always being stuck aiming/using my precious ammo to kill things I should have been killing with melee

[grizzled pebble]

Ds4 plasma and call it a day

[umbral scaffold]

Also,
Being in melee will usually keep you close to the group, keeping coherency benefits which helps!

[thin stone]

How do I get better at melee then

I don't use ammo much

[serene bough]

play the video game more

[umbral scaffold]

Practice! And bring a good weapon.

I saw you don’t like using the power sword. That’s fine. Ever try the tactical axe?

[grizzled pebble]

If it's rotten modifier spam kraks and hope for the best

[thin stone]

Yeh I have it

Can the tac axe be brought to havocs?

[umbral scaffold]

Are you playing havoc currently?

[grizzled pebble]

If you're good enough sure.

[thin stone]

Aurics and havoc 25s

[grizzled pebble]

But can be painful against elites spam

Extremely painful

[thin stone]

I've already played for 250 smth hrs

Over past 2 years tho

[serene bough]

for most veteran players those are baby hours not to be rude

veteran as in long standing players, not the class

some people have several thousands of hours

[thin stone]

RIP

I mean I have 450 hrs on steam, but I assume most of it got wasted waiting in the lobby for teammates

[serene bough]

its ok just play more and you'll get the hang of it eventually for h40

[umbral scaffold]

The way I see it, if you’re playing auric and above, you’re doing something right.

So keep doing!

[thin stone]

@umbral scaffold I am at the point if I have 4 players just as good as me, I am doing fine, but otherwise I die once or so a match

[grizzled pebble]

Practice not dying at all in auric.

[tall torrent]

Learn to melee fight groups of every melee elite enemy without losing hp

[thin stone]

how to get that in psykhanium?

[tall torrent]

Creature spawner mod

[thin stone]

My enemies in psykhanium don't move at all

[thin stone]

how do I get that

[tall torrent]

Nexus

[thin stone]

now what's that

[tall torrent]

.

[hollow ibex]

mods repository for darktide

just google it

[thin stone]

Is it on steam?

[tall torrent]

No

Search nexusmods on google

[thin stone]

ok

[tall torrent]

Have u never modded ever?

[thin stone]

no

I have never modded games

[bold sierra]

I have played quite a decent amount of inf lasgun in H40, I think it's pretty damn well-rounded for general ranged elite picking, especially now that krak is goated. But I suppose it could use a bit of touching up.

but it aint as bad as ppl say it is tbh, at all

[thin stone]

Why is the creature spawner not in darktide by default

most horde games have such a thing

[distant mural]

Lasgun same as laspistol sadly

Nice to snipe gunners and stuff but that seems to be it.

[thin stone]

Fuck it, I suck at gaming

I am going to stick to what I am good at

[hollow ibex]

too much work

[surreal rune]

just got a god roll plasma as a mission reward

life is great

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[halcyon seal]

lol

[bold sierra]

the reverted dmg fall-off at range is great on infantry lasgun tho, plus it generally got better dmg. Usually I got no issues 3-4 shotting gunners, even w/o crits.

[thin flame]

whats a good automatic rifle for vet? i never actually bothered to try the autoguns

[hollow ibex]

vraks is the best infantry autogun

[surreal rune]

what are the best blessings and perks for it

[umbral scaffold]

But god damn does it burn ammo fast 🤣

[hollow ibex]

yeh but it's very strong

[umbral scaffold]

100%

[umbral scaffold]

I actually need to check and see if there’s a build for the IAG posted in the pins

It’s a gun I’ve been meaning to run for awhile.

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a02606aa-11c1-4470-9bb1-fc3f2d315f31/emperors-fusiliers

this is what i run

[umbral scaffold]

Thanks, cause I just checked the pins and there’s no updated builds

Also… is there a way to run infiltrate on vet and have it be…good?

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/stealth-bomber

[umbral scaffold]

I’ve had some success with it

[hollow ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1428625649047834714/5292FC1.MP4?ex=68ff0c51&is=68fdbad1&hm=44bc148312dd3b8d03b4064767fc2f74280274ecf28b5c224ff4123dd39bf5ad&

this is pretty much the only infil setup i can think of with actual synergies lol

otherwise it's just a worse VOC

[umbral scaffold]

I’ll check it out tonight when I’m home from work. Looks very catachan jungle fighter vibes!

[hollow ibex]

stealth into a massive group of elites

drop some eggs

hilarity ensues

and then while stealth is on cd you got WS with a good melee + double barrel

[umbral scaffold]

It’s gonna be good times. Never used the double barrel much before. Best for condensed mixed hordes/rager patrols and the like? Does it fall off vs carapace?

[hollow ibex]

DB with crits is pretty insane

it's a good mixed horde sweeper

does not do well against carapace though

you'll need melee for that

WS DB will give you a feel of what it's like to be a psyker

[umbral scaffold]

I’m excited! I’ll be sure to bring some kraks and knife/power sword or axe then.

[hollow ibex]

kraks have very little synergies with infil

so i'd suggest stayng with frags if you want to do infil

if you have a rashad or PS crushers shouldn't be an issue anyway

toss one frag if you need to for stagger

and then you can just wreck them with your melee

[static radish]

i will never be able to leave damnation man

[spark helm]

How so?

[hollow ibex]

practice melee fundamentals and hone your situational awareness and you'll do good

[static radish]

i keep just fucking up

[static radish]

man i try

everything but arby sucks

[hollow ibex]

try practicing with creature spawner

fight groups of maulers/crushers/bruisers

[static radish]

and arby's only good cuz he's stupid easy and good

[static radish]

its not groups that fuck me up

because in that chaos the team is distracting them

its single 1on1 fights

which idk why i sometimes cant even dodge a super telegraphed crusher's overhead

[last marten]

wrong 🫵

[fair shale]

Youre probably dodging too early

Thats what gets a lot of people ime

[spark helm]

You'll likely just have to get used to the timing. Don't be scared and let them come for you during matches.

[static radish]

heresy is too easy, damnation is too hard

damn it

[spark helm]

Allow them to actually get the attack out and dodge accordingly. You can also try mods that let you spawn mobs in the psykanium.

And drill yourself on those situations.

[static radish]

i suppose

i just wanna use infiltrate in peace man

have fun

[distant mural]

If you wanna learn play anything but arby

[static radish]

not sweat cuz i got downed once and gotta wait till next medicae

[distant mural]

Arby just builds bad habits

Too forgiving

[fair shale]

At least take off TG

True Grit

True Grit is like, bad habit enabler 101 on Arb

[distant mural]

Just dodge overheads

No need for true grit

[fair shale]

Its my unironic opinion that Street Smarts>True Grit

[hybrid plover]

True Grit can turn you into a different player with how much it changes the way the game feels

[distant mural]

Waste of a point with that much dr

[hybrid plover]

It's crazy.

[distant mural]

I rarely wver loose health as arby lol

[static radish]

i dont even use it

[distant mural]

No need for true grit

[hybrid plover]

True Grits more for Havoc to be honest

[fair shale]

Even in havoc

[distant mural]

No need

You dont wanna loose health in general

[fair shale]

Its primarily useful for crusher/mauler overheads

[distant mural]

Play with toughness

[fair shale]

Which are also the most telegraphed attack in the game

[distant mural]

Exactly

[fair shale]

(Idk if this is true or not but it feels like it)

[distant mural]

And if you ever get hit its usually 2 or3 and true grit wont save you then

[spark helm]

Infiltrate veteran often has to really be on task with handling itself without popping infiltrate.

[steep flower]

No its not; it makes you able to live through stuff and learn by playing instead of being dead

[fair shale]

You can like it but if you play proper you shouldn't need it.

[sudden cedar]

That same discussion has been held over Until Death as well.

[fair shale]

You get too used to TG you're gonna fuck yourself up bad going back to anyone but zealot

[steep flower]

I play proper & i always include it; not taking it is a pepega move

[steep flower]

Thats held up to mediocre players and tbh everyone improves not to be one in the future

[azure narwhal]

there's good support and bad support, relying on it is player's error. no matter how good you are you are getting hit in a horde shooter and you need to prepare for that

[hollow ibex]

tbf you have to take until death now

so not quite the same thing as true grit

[fair shale]

You'll get hit but the things TG matter for are genuinely the most telegraphed attacks in the game

Im not dying to crusher/mauler overheads

[azure narwhal]

it's not just overheads

[hybrid plover]

True Grit is far more forgiving than Until Death tbh

[azure narwhal]

sniper shots, poxbursters are also frequent

[steep flower]

Poxbursters & snipers are a thing too

[fair shale]

If you cannot push a PB or dodge snipers I cannot help you.

Snipers, also, one of the most telegraphed things in game

[azure narwhal]

everyone thinks like this till they're under pressure in high havoc rot armour

[sudden cedar]

@fair shale They are indeed well telegraphed. Now put that "well telegraphed attack" in a crowd of them, with smoke, fire, bodies and more stuff obscuring said attack. Dodge it.

[steep flower]

It can be put that simply but as a h40 player i can tell ya its never that simple

[fair shale]

Uh huh

[hybrid plover]

The amount of times a poxburster will throw themselves at someone out of your range and hit you because they didn't push them

[fair shale]

The guy who solos H40s doesn't run it so if thats your arguement I think its flawed

[hybrid plover]

Or God forbid, simply refuse to be pushed by you because they weren't targeting you because that's been happening more lately for some reason.

[static radish]

man i just want to have fun with the knife

[sudden cedar]

The guy who solos H40s does not need it because that is not needed for such a strategy.

[fair shale]

If you guys like TG that's fine, I would prefer to have almost anything else in that tree tbh

[sudden cedar]

When you essentially cheese the entire map by blocking spawns with active enemies, there is only a small window where such a thing would matter.

[steep flower]

Solo h40 is purely showcasing the skill of the player but most importantly the abuse of core mechanics & map structure - its all for show
This is a team based game - nothing worse than a bunch of individualists in a team based game

[fair shale]

Im not dying to crushers, maulers, snipers, nor PBs personally. I'm dying cause I'm the last person alive and I'm swarmed by everything left, normally.

Ime, TG does not change that scenario.

Taking TG off has however netted me more damage.

[sudden cedar]

I understand. An adherent to the "best cc is to kill the enemy" doctrine

[fair shale]

Correct.

I have a meme for this

[sudden cedar]

I suppose it might be pointless to argue then. Agree to disagree.

[steep flower]

And if you die as a frontliner cause you told yourself that TG teaches bad habbits it only showcases your liability as a team player with a specific role

[fair shale]

They cant hit you if theyre getting ragdolled everywhere by your immense stagger

Which arb defo has

[sudden cedar]

No doubt about that

[steep flower]

Ofc - but it does not justify not including a safety net

[fair shale]

Street Smarts

Is my preferred safety net

[steep flower]

I use both

[fair shale]

Im not playing defenseless

I just have a different train of thought about what makes something worthwhile

[steep flower]

Thinking TG is not worthwhile is pepega thinking

[fair shale]

Im not a fan of effects you have to 1. Take damage for or 2. Be almost dead to use

TG is slot 1

[sudden cedar]

I'd say that ridiculing someone over not taking it because you yourself think it is worthwile is a bad way of trying to show someone the benefits of it.

[distant mural]

Its just really not needet on an allready hyper tanky class

How much defence do you need

[steep flower]

Stupidity should be pointed out - would put some clips but alas i am not home

[fair shale]

Fwiw I'm also a shield Maul fan and that thing will also eat an overhead or a sniper shot ime

[steep flower]

Enough so you don’t fall; TG fills that in

[sudden cedar]

I do understand the idea that you don't need a safety net when you are skilled enough. I have seen enough cases where you simply get screwed over by something you could not have seen coming and True Grit would have saved you there.

[distant mural]

I never had any issues on arby.

I mean other classes dont have that

[sudden cedar]

I don't think this is necessarily stupidity.

[fair shale]

Look, the premier example that sells me in TG is the shocking lack of people in havoc who can push PBs

But most of the use cases for TG are not things I find myself struggling with irregardless of surrounding factors

[distant mural]

Is it pepega to not play arby then because other classes dont have tg?

[sudden cedar]

Irregardless is a double denial and not actually a word.

[fair shale]

It is however fun to say

[sudden cedar]

As you wish.

[steep flower]

Wrong thinking; we talk about arby exclusively

[distant mural]

Nooo

I think thats a valid point

Other classes cant rely on that

[sudden cedar]

Something similar would be not taking Steady Grip on Ogryn and refusing to enjoy free toughness regen just for bracing your ranged weapon

[distant mural]

Aaaaaah nooo

[fair shale]

See I disagree

[steep flower]

Cause they don’t have it thus can’t even compare; there is a reason zealot is being compared cause he has until death

[fair shale]

Steady Grip is wonderful

[sudden cedar]

That is not surprising.

[distant mural]

Cant compare the 2

[fair shale]

Toughness at max will armor gate you from damage

[sudden cedar]

It aligns with your mindset.

[distant mural]

But i see your thinking

[sudden cedar]

Of course you would be open to it.

[fair shale]

Killing in exchange for benefits, aye

[distant mural]

To get th benefits i need to get hit BAD

For steady grip i just need to aim

[steep flower]

But can be compared to stuff like walk it off on arby… which you should always have btw, same for steady grip

[fair shale]

Exactly

[distant mural]

Yes with that i agree

[azure narwhal]

zealot can easily eat high damage attacks and has until death, veteran has incredible toughness management and toughness gen, psyker will have already killed and/or CCd every threat (cant speak for ogryn since i dont play em), but yeah, by that logic we'd be baaadly tying ourselves down to specific classes. "where until death on my vet?" line of thought

[fair shale]

The only hardcore mandatory perks on arb imo are Force of Will and Concussive

If you have those 2 you can figure everything else out

[hollow ibex]

tbh even concussive isn't mandatory

[thin stone]

How bad is falchion compared to ps6

[distant mural]

Arby has all that

[azure narwhal]

no he does not

[thin stone]

and is falchion viable for Havocs?

[azure narwhal]

that is a gross overestimation

[distant mural]

Yes he does

What does he not have?

[fair shale]

Most things are bad compared to PS

[thin stone]

I feel skibidi

[hollow ibex]

uh if ps6 was 100 power, midchion would prob be around 50

[sudden cedar]

I always wonder when i see such takes, what difficulty is said person on. What works on lower difficulties will most likely not work on the highest, and with that i do not mean Auric.

[thin stone]

midchion?

bruh

[hollow ibex]

it's the actual name

you can't tell me otherwise

[distant mural]

You got vets made regen and regen on special kills u got castigators wich is basically until death you got ogryns melee regen and sustain and insane stagger and also insane ramged weapons

[azure narwhal]

gold toughness, toughness damage reduction to zealot's level, temporary invincibility instead of death, etc

[sudden cedar]

And also, is said person trolling and thus not interesting in a reasonable discussion to see different points of view.

[distant mural]

I dont see anything arby doesnt have

[sudden cedar]

Which unfortunately the percentage of those people seems to be very high.

[thin stone]

I am interested in different POVs

I just suck at the game

[steep flower]

Castigator mentioned

[thin stone]

because I only have 250 to 300 hrs as of now

[distant mural]

You dont need gold toughness with 80%dr

[fair shale]

Fwiw i play on Havocs unless I'm dropping to aurics for events or cause I am currently too tired to think. My takes come from from a couple thousand hours across Tide 1, 2, and Darkest Tide if you genuinely wanted an answer to that question.

[sudden cedar]

Castigator is not until death.

[thin stone]

is that ability bad?

[distant mural]

Its better yeah

[sudden cedar]

No, it is worse.

[distant mural]

Lol no

I dont need to die to activate it

[hollow ibex]

players: gold toughness op! end gold toughness spam
FS: we hear you
releases castigator

[thin stone]

Lmao

[distant mural]

And am basically invulnerable still

[steep flower]

Arguably the worst yes

[thin stone]

why'

[sudden cedar]

Lets put it differently then.

[steep flower]

Still good but worse than other 2

[fair shale]

Its very selfish but I think calling it bad lacks nuance. It will not provide team util innately which means you have to play with it in a way to provide more value than just smashing BtL every 15 or so seconds.

[sudden cedar]

The two perks have different end goals in mind and thus should not be compared

[thin stone]

Break The Line is better no?

[azure narwhal]

that assumes you're taking castigator, and is not passive like both vet and zealot's talents are. not to mention, castigator is mid as hell to begin with comparatively to the other two abilities

[spark helm]

Until death shouldn't be getting compared to castigator. They're not at all trying to do the same things.

[fair shale]

Break the Line is easier to provide value with imo, which makes it better for most people.

[sudden cedar]

For a Solo Player, Castigator must surely be good, but you offer nothing in terms of team support.

[distant mural]

Still no need for gold toughness with that ammount of dr and toughness regen

[steep flower]

Panic button, does nothing for the team, long cd, no dmg & purely defensive properties (we are not including augments)

[thin stone]

Nice, that is what I use

BTL + Lone Wolf

[spark helm]

Support your team via kills

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-9403556598434283568

[fair shale]

I agree with this

[thin stone]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-hiding-embarrassed-bush-gif-6287489991893889017

[fair shale]

Casti is very nice if you cannot trust the other 3 people around you.

[umbral scaffold]

Exactly.

I think that there are multiple ways to support a team, and it doesn’t always have to be with passive buffs.

[distant mural]

Wich is 90% the case in pubs

[spark helm]

But yeah it's not an ability providing anything else to others. But the idea is to empower oneself and maintain momentum.

[fair shale]

Finally, someone speaking my language

[sudden cedar]

And by Solo Player i do not mean actual Solo, just with a Single Player Mentality

You know, the types who will hog ammo and grenades

[fair shale]

Yeah, CS is very, very selfish. But it you can leverage it it's pretty good ime.

[thin stone]

Isn't that 100% of pub squads?

[distant mural]

Yeah sorry

Mb

[steep flower]

Everyone does that already

[fair shale]

Imo CS is absolutely not a defensive ability either

You activate it to leverage a push, not to stop dying.

[thin stone]

How BTL help your team more than others?

[distant mural]

Its also good to not die but yeah

[steep flower]

Stagger

[fair shale]

Cause you'll put everything infront of you on its respective ass for your team

[thin stone]

oh

[fair shale]

On a very, very low CD

[thin stone]

Is dog + BTL viable?

[fair shale]

I think so, yeah

[steep flower]

Exept bosses

[thin stone]

I'll share my build one sec

[umbral scaffold]

True, I more mean if people take the mentality that a talent like castigators stance is selfish because it doesn’t support, technically fury of the faithful on zealot would fall into the same category since it doesn’t provide group buffs.

Yet you can use it to kill high threat enemies fast or even rush to a team mates aid.

[spark helm]

Main problem in my experience with it is often whether or not I already am checking someone's back in the moment. Break the line is giving something more immediately helpful by just giving me a free foot knight button and talents already baked in to give me more cc.

[fair shale]

Yes except bosses, BtL doesnt stagger bosses

[steep flower]

Ye but CS does not provide dmg

[thin stone]

pub squads have the collective IQ of 50

so castigator makes sense there

[sudden cedar]

I only need to play Gloriana to see who is truly a.. decent.. player and who gets carried by.. other stuff that isn't them.

[distant mural]

I dont like btl and i feel like nobody ever uses my nuncio so ill stick with castigators.

[spark helm]

But it'll still be down to me to be able to actually accomplish goal for myself. Unless I'm taking aquila but people aren't exactly likely to just stay in or near an aquila to make better use of it. Plus, other support-orented abilities in the game are often just giving survivability to other people or providing hard cc.

[fair shale]

Me when the team on gloriana both refuses to push quickly and opts to stay outside

[sudden cedar]

I prefer to stay outside, because it is easy to get trapped in unfortunate situations. The whole range of the terrain should be used to your advantage.

[distant mural]

Yeah inside route can be deathtrap

[fair shale]

So can outside tbf

[distant mural]

Just blow the bartels and go out

[steep flower]

If ppl don’t use Your nuncio then its 2 ways;
1; they don’t know better
2; you placed it poorly

[sudden cedar]

That is why i pointed out, the whole range of the terrain. That includes inside and outside.

[fair shale]

Ime it doesnt matter if you are willing to not get bunched up

[distant mural]

Inside route can put you back to the wall

[sudden cedar]

A lot of people drop down into the dead end and wonder why they die.

Because they just get squished.

[distant mural]

1….of course 1 what else….

[steep flower]

Thats on them then

[sudden cedar]

Sure, the outside is just as dangerous with a sudden knockback causing your untimely demise.

[spark helm]

It has three talents that supplement the arbites output on killstreaks. This isn't true.

I'd also be willing to argue that cs is good for providing competent arbites with an avenue to doing damage with more impunity similarly to the ways zealot can just enable zealot pushes just by popping fotf and exploiting bonus attack speeds for more crits for more cdr in the case of blazing piety builds.

[umbral scaffold]

True, but the point Im trying to make is that any talent/ability can be useful. I’m not saying it’s as good as others, of course not.

I just am not a fan of black and white thinkng on builds, talents etc. even if those thoughts come from people who play on highest difficulty. I get why people on that level have strong opinions about what works and what doesn’t, but not everyone is ever gonna come close to that level

[spark helm]

One just isn't predicated on movement but rather raw snappy defenses from dmg reduction and instant toughness gains.

But cs does provide damage from it's modifiers so I mean.

Yk

Saying it doesn't give dps bonuses isn't true.

[umbral scaffold]

did they nerf the power sword stab attack? i was gone for a month...

[spark helm]

And broadly speaking, castigator enables arbites to do damage with less risk to themselves. They just have to keep dropping bodies.

[umbral scaffold]

cant 2hk crushers anymore

or 3hk

[serene bough]

crushers were buffed

[sudden cedar]

@umbral scaffold The damage is probably still the same, the Crusher HP got increased

[umbral scaffold]

that makes sense

[serene bough]

it takes 2 cycles of the PS6 to kill a crusher now

[umbral scaffold]

okay thanks i havent been able to keep up with the updates i was away for a month

[wild stratus]

whats the best veteran build for the event right now?

[hollow ibex]

i think you can still do it in one cycle with buffs up 🤔

need to test again

[rocky jacinth]

whatever does good boss damage

[fair shale]

Dropping down? Good. Staying in that tunnel even 2 seconds too long? Bad, very bad, not good lol.

[silver patrol]

imo it's the recon

the fastest one

or the autoguns, still the fastest one

oh overall build

[sudden cedar]

@fair shale Dropping down is a mistake in the first place, you can easily get trapped in there. I will avoid doing so until it is absolutely necessary

[serene bough]

maybe im too used to getting fucked by rotten armor that i forgot what it takes to kill a normal crusher

[hollow ibex]

ah yeah idk havocs / rotten armor lol

[fair shale]

Tbh I really like dropping down, blitzing tunnel, and moving into the room at the end with an entry/drop exit

[steep flower]

Nobody is taking bloodlust cause its dogshit
Blessed armaments is used for like 1 weapon
Writ of execution is acceptable but you need to kill first to get buffs - its not like exec stance for example where you get buffs immediately

[fair shale]

CS is the premier one point wonder ability imo

[steep flower]

oh it is not bad by a long shot
just worst in comparison to the other 2 and what they can be used for

[steep flower]

EXACLY

ppl take casti and casti only

majority of the time

[fair shale]

Thats one of my favorite selling points of it tbh

You can spend 1 point on your ability so you can take other talents you want on arb

[steep flower]

i like writ & i would love blessed armaments be buffed; it has potential

[fair shale]

Whether it be SGS or True Grit or whatever you like

[fair shale]

Theyre wildly fun in Not Havoc tbh

[steep flower]

i used them in havoc; they were not bad

[fair shale]

Yeah, not bad, not great either tho.

[steep flower]

but i think blessed should proc on ranged HIT not KILL

[spark helm]

I've had be alright in dog heavy builds but it's definitely the weakest option. Free reloads on gun killstreaks are plentiful and don't strictly benefit one weapon family. That's just a reality of the class that already has good damage rolled in to itself. And arbites is definitely not lacking in showing up to the party ready to start killing something.

[steep flower]

it would make that talent insanely more usable

[steep flower]

if the cooldwon was not there then yes; or atleats shorter - imo it should be on HIT not KILL to be good for other ranged options

otherwise you don't benefit from it on weapons that don't just outright kill the target

and that alone narrows what you can use to benefit from that talent

[umbral scaffold]

This is so true. That mission taught me to fear barrels more than enemies.

[spark helm]

Hold on lemme find that better tool tip.

[umbral scaffold]

And till this day, I usually die more from barrels in matches than actual enemies

[spark helm]

Need to confirm something out of curiosity.

[sudden cedar]

I do not fear barrels. They are useful tools.

[fair shale]

I dont fear barrels, I fear my teammates

[umbral scaffold]

They can be, but I find they usually explode at the worst times 😂

[spark helm]

Advanced movement tech on gloriana.

;^)

[sudden cedar]

You are not funny.

[umbral scaffold]

I mean shit happens with them. Last night I was on zealot and charged into my group who was getting overwhelmed. As soon as I arrived, barrel was exploded by someone and I went flying off the map

[spark helm]

I'm actually dead serious I've used barrels to blow myself down the stairs to avoid incoming hordes that are gonna pincer me.

[final hamlet]

this does not cleanse the corruption a wound gets on going down, why?

[umbral scaffold]

I was playing vet the other day and psyker was being surrounded by groaners. Shot them to help support, didn’t see the barrel buried behind the groaners, exploded, sent the psyker flying. He rage quit

[spark helm]

Jump backwards right before blowing it up to jump over hordes.

Therefore, advanced movement tech.

I only barrel assholes but they're semi-rare in my games

[hollow ibex]

it can't restore wounds yeah, it's just corruption in addition to entire wounds

[final hamlet]

Thats.. good to know, thanks!.. another on the list of well done perk descriptions

[hollow ibex]

you know the drill

[sudden cedar]

@spark helm For that..maybe. But many are so oblivious of Barrels and that causes many problems and potential deaths.

[spark helm]

Oh yeah. Gloriana is my spatial awareness pov litmus test with other randoms.

Object permanence too.

It's crazy being right next to someone that knows there's an explosive wall hazard and fights in melee right next to it despite having room and a chance to mitigate that risk with positioning at bare minimum.

Ope pickaxe ogryn died again...for the fifth fucking death in the last hour of wipes. :V

"Bro this map sucks"

Me walking into the area intentionally made as a shortcut to avoid barrels at the cost (and lowkey benefit) of narrow hallways with next to no hazards inside: 😐

[umbral scaffold]

That’s why I just shoot barrels when I see them. 🤷🏻‍♂️ seems overkill I guess but I’d rather that then get burned to death/thrown off the map

Although I will spare fire barrels for random hordes

Just incase

[spark helm]

I use them proactively too yeah. Unless I have to clutch or something, they usually don't last long if I see them and have an excuse for them.

[uncut ore]

Idk where i heard the recon lasgun was a good weapon but it's not, at least for me, shoots like a wet noodle

[hollow ibex]

You need dumdum and Infernus

[spark helm]

What you doing with it?

It's extremely powerful.

[steep flower]

build matters

[spark helm]

And talent spreads too

[umbral scaffold]

It’s a good one, trust me. I run it as my main on vet and it never fails to disappoint. Like the others said, check your build out!

[uncut ore]

I can't get these without playing with the gun and leveling it up, which i hard to do 😭

what talents should I be running?

[umbral scaffold]

Want to know an easy way to level your weapons?

[uncut ore]

what's that?

[umbral scaffold]

Go to brunt’s armoury and buy like 30-40 of whatever weapon you wanna upgrade. Buy the basic bitch stock versions

[umbral scaffold]

Then consecrate them all from grey to green, so only once. Then sacrifice them all

Ok, so Nevermind! But if you had money and resources, that’s how.

[uncut ore]

also is the only viably late game build using Voice of comand nowadays?

[kind spruce]

It's definitely not the only viable one, but it's the one that makes the most sense given what it does in the current meta and what the other ones don't

Toughness and knockdown are very useful especially as the hordes stack up

[spark helm]

Not at all but definitely the safest.

[kind spruce]

Ogryn has the same problem where there's really just one incredibly powerful and useful ability that does so much

[uncut ore]

ngl I put most (at least 40-50%) of my hours in this game running vet with valiant autogun before the perk tree was in the game

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

[spark helm]

Like on a fundamental level, voice of command covers a lot of scenarios at the simple cost of pressing one button so it's an extremely reliable choice.

[fair shale]

VoC had the benefit of almost being impossible to fuck up using

[spark helm]

Exestance on the other hand, requires the veteran to actually drop targets relevant to it.

[fair shale]

As opposed to Exe Stance directly scaling with player skill

And infiltrate actually fucking your team over when you use it poorly lol

[uncut ore]

exe stance with MkV infantry autogun works really well

but chews threw ammo

[fair shale]

Thats one of my favorites tbh

Exe Stance+IAG+Smokes

Lord

[uncut ore]

so I wanted to see if I could replicate with the recon lasgun to save ammo

and i haven't been getting the same results

[uncut ore]

smokes?

[faint beacon]

Late game as in Auric or Havoc

[fair shale]

The nades

I like popping smokes then popping Exe to shoot things that cannot shoot me back.

[uncut ore]

Ik but like, I've yet to find a viable use for them

[uncut ore]

Auric

[faint beacon]

Gunner seed rolls mainly

[fair shale]

Yeah

[faint beacon]

I’d say the only bad pick is Infiltrate

[fair shale]

Much more useful when the game goes "oops all gunners"

[uncut ore]

ah, I hadn't considered that

[faint beacon]

Cause Exe and VOC are insane toughness uptime now

This includes Havoc 40

[uncut ore]

I tried running recon lasgun and the game said, oops all crushers

[fair shale]

They stop dogs from pouncing and keep trappers targeting you much closer when is ime easier to deal with. Enemies cant do the sprinting lunge through em either iirc.

Keep a lot of gunner enemies from being able to shoot you

[uncut ore]

I thought smokes were completely unviable due to how good shredder frags were

[fair shale]

Different uses

Entirely tbh

[faint beacon]

Shredders will always be the best neutral pick but if you build your Ranged and Melee accordingly you can run any frag

Kraks are pretty insane for Havoc now

Especially with Rotten armor spawning ungodly amounts of Carapace

[fair shale]

Kraks are so incredibly good cause of Buffed Ogs+Rot Armor being a fuck

[uncut ore]

also I see on all the builds people run focous target, but I find having to tag one enemy at a time rather tedious

[faint beacon]

Smokes are just psyker bubble except it doesn’t take an ability

[narrow frost]

its funny how frags still deal with carapace hordes better then kraks

[faint beacon]

Focus right side

[narrow frost]

I see kraks only has boss stagger and bulwark killer

[faint beacon]

Weapon Specialist keystone side

Cause there’s so many buffs that’ll make up for it on lower right side tree

[fair shale]

Its better but less immediate and most people want the immediate removal button ime

[narrow frost]

ye

but I like the public mindset shift

[faint beacon]

I see it as I really hate this one purple mauler/crusher in particular

[narrow frost]

but in reality its still the same fundamentals

[sullen scarab]

Do you guys know if the Recon lasguns need Rending Strikes? Trying to see if I can skip that node since I'm using PS6 for my melee weapon.

not sure if the 10% rending is good for the fast firing guns

[narrow frost]

shooting armor isnt worth on recon

*carapace

[sullen scarab]

Rending STrikes is most for carapace breakpoints right?

ok lol

wasn't sure if it helped like Flak or anything

I remember you telling me that it doesn't do as much as carapace

[narrow frost]

recon is still okay against flak

carapace just about ignores most ranged damage

[sullen scarab]

ok, so perfectly fine to skip rending strikes if I'm running krak and ps6, yeah

[narrow frost]

yes

[sullen scarab]

[fair shale]

Very much so yes

[hollow ibex]

but boy are the exceptions so funny...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1431856953994252339/5F22521.MP4?ex=68fef034&is=68fd9eb4&hm=e667c8b7188bc7644f3e147d9d0664005d11f9547dfce9d37ba70855dbf4d313&

[sullen scarab]

awesome, FREE POINT TO PLAY WITH YAY

[sullen scarab]

what the hell is happening here LOL

[uncut ore]

yeah I'm just going back to exe stance + MkV Autogun

[fair shale]

I cannot tell you how much joy it brings me how good shotguns are rn

[hollow ibex]

15 stack MMF + both rending nodes

[fair shale]

Combat shotty, DB, Arb shotty

[hollow ibex]

god agri is so fucking peak rn

[fair shale]

All good

[hollow ibex]

and yeah DB

and arbi shotties

[uncut ore]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-13487561

[bold sierra]

onslaught?

[fair shale]

Even the ripper is pretty fuckin good rn iirc

Kickback is still a soup maker

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0342c69-6063-4e10-96a9-66e8ce22ecb2/railgun-sniper

i don't run 🤢 nslaught

[sullen scarab]

that's hilarious

I understand Agripinna now

after playing it

on arbites

[hollow ibex]

there are many ways to run agri 😉

[sullen scarab]

I think Sirosky tuned me in to it

its so fucking peak

[faint beacon]

Sin you don’t even mention the Vigilant Autoguns

[sullen scarab]

i have you to thank

[bold sierra]

gonna give it a shot at some point, you tried this in H40 yet? so far I've only done exec stance in H40 with bolter

[uncut ore]

sometimes, I even like to run the mk1

[sullen scarab]

What makes me extremely happy is when you load a slug round and while doing a slide you headshot someone in the middle of the slide with a hipfire

[faint beacon]

Shotguns alone are pretty good in H40

[hollow ibex]

nah i don't do havocs, but i know there are people who use similar builds in h40

this one is prob a bit too ammo hungry for havoc, you'd want more of a balanced build

since this one leans heavy into range

[sullen scarab]

Also does this look good, using the Recon VIc (Unyielding+5% crit) Infernus Dumdum, ps6 (unyielding carapace) Sunder PC?

[faint beacon]

All of Vigilants are insane mainly cause their base damage got buffed and their values got tweaked so now they’re like easily my go too Havoc 40 pick

Love my burst rifles

[uncut ore]

I’ll give them a try

[sullen scarab]

[faint beacon]

Matters on playstyle

[bold sierra]

guess I'll try this is Havoc, how different can it be lol

[faint beacon]

If you want an aggressive one try the Columnus III Vigilant

[bold sierra]

I played Bolter with Exec stance today in h40, it was bussin

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah melee combo question, I noticed that after a push attack, if you keep holding m1, you can combo into a light or a heavy, depending on how long you hold, that's normal right? For some reason I never noticed this and I want to make sure it wasn't some mod lmao.

[faint beacon]

Agri IX is the best at dealing with armor

And Graia VII is the classic DMR sniper

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

this is what @calm shard uses for havoc

with agri

i think he uses manstopper full bore

[bold sierra]

I've only used Agri shotgun on zealot so far

havent tried on vet

[hollow ibex]

agri on vet is peak

[fair shale]

I love Agri on Vet and Arb tbh

[sonic kayak]

I love you

[bold sierra]

ima give it a go right now, hell on Rotten Armors xD

[sullen scarab]

I forget, can you still oneshot crushers with the ps6?

[fair shale]

Thank you but I am completely emotionally unavailable

[bold sierra]

dont think so?

it barely did be4

now I just use serrated blade + the brittle blessing on PS3

let bleed do the work

[sullen scarab]

sounds good

[sharp epoch]

the ammo used 😭 ✌️

[bold sierra]

yes, it be the case when ur the only one with a ranged weapon lmao

[sullen scarab]

Wonder if i should take Out For Blood instead of a toughness node, since I'm already at 175 toughness

[sharp epoch]

o4b is probably better for non havoc, havoc the 25 toughness is better

[sullen scarab]

yeah I'm non havoc

makes sense

[fair shale]

I like Out for Blood specifically with Plasma tbh

[sullen scarab]

I remember playing havoc and having like 90 toughness or something lmao

[fair shale]

Ungodly amount of cleave+toughness per kill+that mixed horde infront of me is a funny combo

[sullen scarab]

yeah lmao

[toxic reef]

I mostly go out for blood on melee or shredder builds

[sullen scarab]

I'm trying to find a way to include it on my nuclear bomb grenade build

[sonic kayak]

That's fine

Have a great day

[fair shale]

You too buddy

[sharp epoch]

@fair shale remember you said demo team was not for team at the beginning?

[fair shale]

If you got hard evidence I'll take it

[sharp epoch]

😭

[fair shale]

Alright

One why are you going through my messages

Two

[sharp epoch]

nono I just searched demo team

[fair shale]

I was under the impression demo team worked with the team at that time fwiw

And then I was told it did not

[sharp epoch]

It did, but they changed it

people thought it was a bug when it stopped working

then its been that way since

[fair shale]

Neat

Yeah I tbh took a

Year and a half or so break from DT fwiw

[sharp epoch]

That's why it was called demo team, idk why it still has the name lol

[fair shale]

It was, yeah

Nah I see your point

When did that even change?

[sharp epoch]

I think around december 2023

actually october

[fair shale]

I cant remember if I was around then tbh

[sharp epoch]

#veteran-class message

people thought it was a bug cause the tooltip still said teammates

now it just says for yourself

[fair shale]

Demo team should still be team support ngl

[sharp epoch]

When nuke came out it was just crazy value, then they went f it and made it self only

they coulda done the implemenation like survivalist where it takes more "charges" or procs to get a nuke or bigger grenades, but they were lazy prob

[fair shale]

Tbh

Is that really that insane with some of the shit in this game?

[sharp epoch]

If it was still around it would make havoc a lot easier if the ogryn got a nuke every wave of elites 😭

5% chance means every 20 elites average

[glacial ferry]

A lot more nade options would be used probably with vets bringing demo team too, arbites could bring dog and nade for instance

Zealots wouldn't need pickups for immo nades, shock mines replenishing every other horde with a dog sniping specials etc.

[hollow ibex]

it'd be way too strong if it applied to teammates lol

literally a must have unless the comp is all psykers

[glacial ferry]

Better than knife or full committing as arbites? Probably not, but insane value in havoc

[opaque crane]

is toughness, cdr, and the sprint efficiency sound okay for the curios?

[hollow ibex]

you don't need sprint efficiency now that vet stam economy isn't a joke

i would take two gunner resist or something

[hybrid plover]

Two gunner resist, one sniper

[opaque crane]

Okay thanks everyone!

[fair shale]

I think revive speed is goated tbh

[umbral scaffold]

what is the next best melee thing after power sword / falchion for killing shit for ws build?

[hybrid plover]

Rashad combat axe, combat knife mk6, dueling sword (all marks really, gross), mk7 tac axe

[hollow ibex]

Rashad 👑

[hollow ibex]

After power falchion is prob the likes of devil claw mk1

[umbral scaffold]

Right now I’m just doing the gain 7500 toughness with your shout, any way to make it go faster or just spam it around squad mates?

[opaque crane]

I will switch out the cdr and the sprint efficiencies for revives and 2 gunner + sniper

[fair shale]

CDR drop is ballsy. I like it.

[bold sierra]

@hollow ibex ok I tried it in H40, shit's pretty bussin, I wasnt on top-form cuz I was cold and trembling like crazy tho. Might switch to zarona for better unyielding dmg

[hollow ibex]

i tried zarona

but man i can't stand the spread

even while ADS

agri just feels way better to me

[fair shale]

I prefer Agri to Zarona too tbh

[hollow ibex]

also slugs are so nice

open bulwarks, stagger crushers

[fair shale]

The slugs and the default choke

[bold sierra]

didnt get to slug too much, cuz there was SO MUCH rotten armors

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[fair shale]

I like how usable Agri feels at most ranges

[bold sierra]

the build is not bad on Rotten Armor ngl, tho you still want to melee on it

[hollow ibex]

yeah def

you can get away with only using the gun in aurics

[bold sierra]

solid tho, able to quick switch between melee and ranged

very good range

[hollow ibex]

would not suggest that for havoc

[bold sierra]

slug was 1-shotting everything in H40

at 15 MMF

I was using it in H40 Rotten Armor + Cranial lol

[fair shale]

Me watching someone hoover vacuum all the ammo in havoc and we now die a slow, attrition based death

[hybrid plover]

Sry

It was me

[bold sierra]

Exec stance is crazy good, makes you hella tanky ngl

I mean I know cuz I play it in H40, but ye

[fair shale]

You are not forgiven.

[hollow ibex]

tunnel vision + 15 stack mmf + ES is insane for toughness regen

you can literally just fight in pox gas

pretend that you're an arbi

[bold sierra]

basically

If my hand wasnt shaking like crazy, i think I'd have topped dmg, and ofc, no Rotten Armor, cuz ranged dmg reduction

[umbral scaffold]

how does parry work anyway

im a souls player and parry means you get to fuck someone up real bad

[bold sierra]

you click parry, they hit you, they get blocked, you deal a buncha return dmg

[umbral scaffold]

can i parry crusher and crush his nuts?

[bold sierra]

yes actually, but you gotta perfect parry, like parry the moment their overhead slams down

[umbral scaffold]

ez

i one shot promised consort radahn back in a day pre nerf

[pseudo fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1429375783058538576/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2025-10-19_03-47-03_-_Trim.mp4_2.mp4?ex=68ff23ef&is=68fdd26f&hm=4b758178bda106254d1ea954e0ff347d325c83171ac554a5d8737543439d6ec0&

Shamelessly stolen

[tepid otter]

god dayum

[tall torrent]

outside havoc the choice doesn't matter much
in havoc, toughness maxxing is better

[ancient path]

double pox burster is so cheap 😔

shove one just so the other explodes and still hits you

[sullen scarab]

Ok awesome, I'll go with out for blood to get some toughness regen easily then

[ancient path]

what blessings are yall putting on your bolters?

[tepid otter]

Pinning and Puncture

At least for me

[tepid otter]

I thought you spelled Guardsman wrong then I took a second look lmao

[ancient path]

lmfao

[tepid otter]

madam

[ancient path]

was considering dropping shattering impact

[hollow ibex]

yeah shrimpact is not great on vet bolter

[ancient path]

and is it still flak + unyielding perks?

i hate crushers so im considering flak + cara

[tepid otter]

Think I have Cara + Unyielding on mine

I might hvae to check kekw

[hollow ibex]

yeah cara unyielding

pinning gives you the breakpoints you need for flak enemies

[peak tusk]

So another question that's come to mind. Where do Infantry Autoguns rank?

[ancient path]

they exist

[peak tusk]

I haven't seen many builds that use them so I assume they're not very feasible

[ancient path]

theyre guns you can use

[tall torrent]

pretty high

[tepid otter]

Well, Im like 120 hours in, and I still havent used it lmao

[tall torrent]

at least top 5 ranged weapons in the game

[peak tusk]

Your profile picture....is it a cat? Or cat-like creature?

I must know!

[tall torrent]

pallas cat

[peak tusk]

I see....

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-vulkan-primarch-i-would-like-to-pet-this-creature-tts-gif-11296000915468165546

[tepid otter]

did they block gifs here now too?

[peak tusk]

🙁

[tepid otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872452619946299422/1075129548389228675/20230115_122759-2.gif

well that one works lmao

[tame lodge]

Grey name

They don't get embeds

https://tenor.com/view/embed-perms-no-image-perms-epic-embed-fail-laughing-emoji-gif-25041403

[tame lodge]

Pretty Fragging High

Good damage with good fire rate

You don't see it used much because people are too lazy to control the recoil

Which is pretty easy

[ancient path]

i like em with weapon specialist

[spark helm]

Do people really struggle with IAG?

[ancient path]

i blinked and got instantly surrounded in auric w/ the event going on

so i just popped exe stance w/ my bolter and held down the trigger while spinning in a circle

it was kinda funny

[spark helm]

I do 180s with good cleave melee to sweep things surrounding me.

[void dragon]

The "I got scared and turned like 3 mags of my bolter into grenades" move

[ancient path]

lmfao yes

starvation riot is just

blink, no one is there

blink, 500 people around you

[void dragon]

Crisis management test, the modifier

[tepid otter]

imagine your teammates pov

[ancient path]

maul arbi: "i see your drills have been paying off, veteran."

[tepid otter]

I was wonderign why every Angry Ogryn event would just spawn 2 Pogryns

and a horde of crushers lmao

dear lawd

[tepid otter]

couldnt be prouder

[void dragon]

I call such combo "the plasteel conga of jerks"

[heavy rover]

https://tenor.com/view/power-star-wars-my-power-have-doubled-since-the-last-time-we-met-stare-serious-gif-16929390

[midnight wyvern]

only 2?

[tepid otter]

You had more?

[midnight wyvern]

most ive had so far is 5

[tepid otter]

Most bosses I've had in one instance was during a Havoc match, and it was 4 kekw

[midnight wyvern]

300k HP worth of plogryn spawning at once

[tepid otter]

A chaos spawn, a Pogryn, and 2 leftenants

[midnight wyvern]

was having the time of my life

[tepid otter]

No place like Atoma

[hollow ibex]

man close and kill

should really just be 10% movement speed to self, 5% to teammates

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/frien-my-friend-now-your-my-friend-now-meme-gif-22200411

pogryn gonna hold me like this

[tepid otter]

christ, i was already dropping everything with just 2 pogryns, i can't imagine 3 more

[hollow ibex]

time to bring out the thunderhammer

i like this version of the event way more than the infinite bullets hurrdurr

[midnight wyvern]

purgatus and alot of running away works well

the vet got hit by one, hit by another into being charged into a wall and insta dying

was very funny to watch

[midnight wyvern]

what flavour is it now?

stims duration?

[hollow ibex]

i have no idea, only noticed the ogryn spam

did it affect stimms too?

[midnight wyvern]

one is either the gun and dodge stuff, the other effect is stimms iirc

[hollow ibex]

prob on stimms rn then

[umbral scaffold]

how should i build the shovel

[midnight wyvern]

stick with a big flat part on one end

[umbral scaffold]

ur so right

[hollow ibex]

depends... which shovel lol

[umbral scaffold]

i just started using it and havent put any levels into it

[midnight wyvern]

for Mk1

[faint beacon]

2 sticks and 1 iron bar

(Use Mk1 the others are bad)

[hollow ibex]

i won't stand for this mk3 slander

[umbral scaffold]

thank you lol

[tame lodge]

I don't remember the Minecraft recipe

Sorry

[heavy rover]

MK3 gang

[orchid hemlock]

Mk3 what?

I'm new here

[umbral scaffold]

Mk3 shovel

[hollow ibex]

shovel, duh

[orchid hemlock]

Oh I don't use shovel

Y'all are on your own

🚶🏻‍♂️

[hollow ibex]

i only use mk3 because it's funny

mk1's kinda whatever for me

[warm schooner]

@faint beacon been trying out a vigi build I think came from you, what is the purpose of the onslaught node? Boss rending?

[orchid hemlock]

I was one of the people who defended braced autos

Havoc made it impossible tho 😔

I thought it was the funniest shit that you can use it as basically an unlimited toughness generator

Sure u did questionable damage but it was funny

[faint beacon]

That's honestly when I was experimenting around with things but mainly it was cause of the stacking of Brittleness and Taxe making use of it

but I honestly recommend Rending Strikes

[trim badger]

Psykernautics detected

[faint beacon]

you get a shit ton more value from that with Vigils

[warm schooner]

ok that makes sense

[midnight wyvern]

well, whatever happened backend last week, probably from the event has made all of the asian servers other than south unplayable to me lol, funky

[faint beacon]

Mainly cause of bleed + brittle with taxe is

kinda fucking funny

[midnight wyvern]

normally 100 ping on HK now its at 260

[faint beacon]

but if you dont run Serrated or dont want to use Onslaught

just use Rending Strikes

its more reliable

[warm schooner]

yeah I like taxe but I like my joints too

[bold sierra]

Executioner Stance w/ Combat Shotgun in Havoc 40, shit's bussin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR-48eIZM4w

probably gonna try Zarona for some more boss dmg at some point

[thorn lark]

If you're using mk7 or mk2 , the combo is PA+H. You're only using lights against carapace and unyielding. And tbh, not being a zealot, just shoot those shits down.

[warm schooner]

shooting cara down in h40 is bad for ammo efficiency

if that's what you meant by "those shits"

[thorn lark]

Oh wait we're talking about h40?

[warm schooner]

yeah I test in auric but I mostly play havoc

[bold sierra]

after playing so much Havoc, aurics just dont hit the same anymore xD

even Maelstrom

[thorn lark]

I have had good aurics since the update. And some broken ones in terms of spawning.

[bold sierra]

broken as in too much or too little?

[thorn lark]

I would play Havoc again if I had not to deal with party finder

Both

[warm schooner]

havoc pubbing is really rough right now for sure, helping a friend climb from 20-40 and it's pretty miserable in general

[thorn lark]

I had a regular hisg no event two days ago completely bonkers. And I did a duo with 3M (between us two)

[warm schooner]

pretty much the only way out from 20-30 feels like you have to be able to reliably hard carry the team

[bold sierra]

yeah....especially if they're psyker I'd say lol, usually I just try to """meta""" all the way up to h40 then do whatever the hell I want hosting

[thorn lark]

But the event feels like a big spawn of ogryns and nothing else in between.

[thorn lark]

Yep. 20-30 is fucking horrible. You'll see everyone thinking they are good at Auric trying to climb.

[warm schooner]

I stopped looking at builds entirely and just assumed everything was going to be shit

[heavy rover]

yeah, the climb out of the 20s is rough. 30s and up, you know the team is more likely to be competent

[warm schooner]

30s is rough as well tbh, hard to tell what level people are at exactly, but a lot of people with 40 clears next to their name are pretty iffy in general

some combination of one or more of weird mechanics, bad situational awareness or positioning, strange build choices, not understanding team comp

[thorn lark]

Ah the h40s thinking they can solo Auric because they spent games in a bubble.

[warm schooner]

also it's really interesting to see the difference in regional metas - hk players play really different in general compared to us

[heavy rover]

I've learned to be less reliant on bubble psykers thanks to smokes

but back in the old days of first season of havoc, Ghost on infantry las got me through (...with deadshot too )

[warm schooner]

every time someone tells me to use krak instead of smoke I assume things are gonna go to shit

not that kraks are bad or smokes are better, but more that someone doesn't understand why I'm taking smoke

[heavy rover]

only time I swap off smokes and to kraks are when rotten armour or encroaching garden

[tall torrent]

smoke and krak both have value

[heavy rover]

yeah, it's always fun explaining smokes to someone who has never seen their use before

and then watch in real time as they become a convert

[tall torrent]

still think smoke needs to do a bit more than they do rn tho

[warm schooner]

it doesn't encourage the team to use them right and assumes people will understand the behavior naturally

[heavy rover]

yeah, I feel that smokes need that little bit of "something"

maybe an extra charge?

[warm schooner]

problem is what they do is so good it's problematic

[tall torrent]

nah it needs to make holding smoked area better

rn it gets turbo fked by bombers

both bombers hard counter smoke

[heavy rover]

true

[tall torrent]

and it does nothing vs melee mixed horde pressure

[thorn lark]

I was playing OCE a year ago (since release) the pool of people doing aurics/am was quite small and very good. Of course you were never sure to get a full team of pubs. Or you were playing in premades.

[tall torrent]

it'd be nice if it did 2 things

1. existing fire and gas are nullified by smoke cloud, and cannot be created in smoke cloud areas
2. enemies inside smoke cloud have lower stagger reduction (making them easier to stagger)

would help a lot in helping to hold smoke positions

[warm schooner]

if bombers didn't counter smoke it'd be way too good imo, too easy to control the match with the right setup

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from on that

[hollow ibex]

that would be sweet

[tall torrent]

could make it so nullifying fire/gas reduces smoke cloud's duration

[heavy rover]

Or maybe slow melee attacks?

[thorn lark]

Because voltaic mines aren't disruptive?

[warm schooner]

how do you mean?

[tall torrent]

yea smoke cloud making enemies inside atk slower is also ok as opposed to lower stagger reduction

[warm schooner]

voltaic mines are good but they certainly aren't an "I win" button

[rancid dragon]

He’s not the friendliest is he?

[heavy rover]

I also wouldn't mind if they make visibility within the smokes better for you and teammates

[warm schooner]

but yes, combination of smoke+taunt+mines+VoC is enough to control an armor frontline

[hollow ibex]

even with the changes path proposed i don't think smoke would be op

or too good

and for one thing, pox bombers are fucking bullshit

so something that counters them is welcome

[heavy rover]

if we're building on somkes nullifying bombers, it'd be so good to run when there's pox gas modifier

[zealous comet]

I threw Sieg Heil! - but he doesn't say anything. Probably blind(

[warm schooner]

it would be nice to have a partial counter to bombers

and their kobe bullshit

[rancid dragon]

I just wanted a hi five

[zealous comet]

Alas, we are not of the rank to be friends. To him, we are all trash.(

[warm schooner]

imo it's way easier to smoothen out a public havoc match with smokes over other nades though since it solves so many different problems around specials, ranged, and bosses

especially with the melee right side changes to vet in combo with ps6

[rancid dragon]

T-T

[peak tusk]

Does anyone know the best way to unlock the "Make Every Shot Count" Penance?

[orchid hemlock]

Use DB

[peak tusk]

Double-Barrel shotgun?

[orchid hemlock]

Si senor

Make sure u don't use survivalist either

Dump all your ammo into a boss and then just finish the mission with your melee

[rancid dragon]

Oki

[rustic kite]

Any chainsword builds? Tryin update my Cadian Shocktroopet builds (I have a sharpshooter and a support) but so far since i live on my infiltrator i have basically only ran Combat knife of veteran.
Also what should i go for a sniper hellbore? They need to feel the pain of random one taps the moment they get distracted

[midnight wyvern]

wot

[rustic kite]

I had 2 questiosn

1. What is a good Chainsword Build for my Cadian Shocktrooper
2. What is a Hellbore Build for a sniper build

[midnight wyvern]

the hellbore specifically? or it and the tree?

[rustic kite]

Afaik hellbore has the highest single shot damage of any lasgun

Oh

I see what you mean

[midnight wyvern]

of any gun yeah

MkIV is the biggest chonker

[rustic kite]

Just the hellbore is fine but if yall have input on what i should pick then that helps too. For my sniper im running the cloak ik most sniper builds run exe stance

[midnight wyvern]

yeah infiltrate is pretty shit

but if you're not playing above auric it doesn't matter

just causing problems for yourself and not your team

[rustic kite]

Its my love, mainly just a panic button is normally i take weapons that are good for killing bosses, and specialists but I rarely have horde clear

[midnight wyvern]

hellbore you want to take the MKIV generally, ive heard people taking the MKV but eh, MkIV big damage and good armour damage,

weight of fire/surgical unyielding/carapace

[midnight wyvern]

VoC can also be a panic button, only more often and better

and doesn't grief your team

[rustic kite]

VoC is the "I didnt say you could die button"
Sometimes i just be vibing with the "GET ME OUTTAAA HEREEEE" button

Its a bad habit from warframe lol since i cant be bothered to get health boosting mods i mainly place frames with invisibility

I use VoC on my second Cadian tho the first uses Exe Stance which is why i defo need a good chainsword

[cobalt sparrow]

This is @calm shard lasgun build that has treated me well so far.

[midnight wyvern]

get someone to introduce you to shield gating

[rustic kite]

Ive been aware of sheild gaiting lol

Still prefer just not being damaged

[midnight wyvern]

invis doesn't stop you getting damaged lol

eximus just gonna explode you

[rustic kite]

It makes it so you wont be attacked at all lol assuming you are using a silent weapon

[midnight wyvern]

plenty of frames with ways to get around getting damaged or properly hurt

Qorvex can just perma beam brainrot and win, revenant exists

[rustic kite]

And I prefer invisibile frames because I can't be bothered to build for health and sheilds as I said ToT

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[midnight wyvern]

what the devil

[calm shard]

have you considered the Rakta Dark Dagger?

[past stratus]

heya I'm coming back to darktide? Do we have an up to date guide/database for Veteran? I haven't played since the Arby release

[midnight wyvern]

its WIP

so just throw your questions in here and they'll get answered until thats done ig

[rustic kite]

I...have it. My first character was Volt and i actively use Capitance. Didnt say i dont use it i said i prefer not using it and I dont like it ToT

[midnight wyvern]

I suppose for every sane user of builds there has to be the opposite

[past stratus]

I'd rather not spam questions, I'll do some digging around and read the talents

see if I can puzzle things out

[midnight wyvern]

not like we have anything better to do than to answer questions

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah it's called: use another melee 👍

[hollow ibex]

Tbf

If you have carapace damage handled with another weapon

Chord is a good melee option

[orchid hemlock]

ah yes the kraks buff 😈

[rustic kite]

Which Chainsword?

[orchid hemlock]

Power Sword 😈

[rustic kite]

Dont see a chainsword named that

[orchid hemlock]

because its not a chainsword

smh my head

😔

[rustic kite]

Damn its almost like i was asking for a chainsword build not if it was good or not

[hollow ibex]

yeah chord's not a bad sidearm for ranged builds

[hollow ibex]

just use any generic melee build

with weapon spec

but take kraks

[hollow ibex]

ah here we go

[orchid hemlock]

CS is more of a zealot weapon

[hollow ibex]

yeah CS does very well on fury zealot

[orchid hemlock]

Vet can't pad the weaknesses on it very well 😔

plus, attack speed is pretty important on it, which Zealot can buff up very quickly

[calm shard]

if only onslaught was good

to save chord

[rustic kite]

Im sorry should've been more specific i meant for the chainsword itself lol

[hollow ibex]

flakiac + wrath OR bloodletter / shred

if you take XIII, you'll want both wrath and shred

IV can prob take shred + bloodletter

[muted peak]

What is the overall best melee weapon for vet rn?

[hollow ibex]

power sword

[rustic kite]

Which is better for general mob clear

[hollow ibex]

which mark? prob iv

i like xiii tho

[muted peak]

Can you tell me 2 more after that?

[hollow ibex]

rashad, duelling sword, tac axe

[orchid hemlock]

dam why the PS hate 😔

[hollow ibex]

those are prob the top 4 melee weapons on vet

[orchid hemlock]

PS and it isn't even close

[calm shard]

I don't think I'd rate dueling sword that high on vet

[muted peak]

Ew axe

[calm shard]

But then I've always thought that hunk of junk is massively overrated so

[hollow ibex]

i'm trying not to let my DS hatred cloud my judgment

[muted peak]

Wdym?

[calm shard]

Power Sword is in the running for best melee weapon in the entire game

[orchid hemlock]

it is by far the best melee weapon in the entire game

[calm shard]

I can't say by far personally

[orchid hemlock]

ig its hard to compare to ogryn, but with the human classes

[calm shard]

Exclusively because of how absurdly bullshit the Force Greatsword is

[muted peak]

Hm

[calm shard]

Though actually having said that

The Force Greatsword would not be good if it wasn't on Psyker

[fair shale]

Moonlight Greatsword my beloved

[muted peak]

Well, I'm just fatiqued from playing chaxe and power sword atm, looking for a fun melee in vet

[calm shard]

Power Sword would be busted as fuck on anybody even talentless

[orchid hemlock]

image the powersword on attack speed zealot

[fair shale]

The blender

[muted peak]

Any recommendations?

[rustic kite]

Which is the green one lol just need it for my Cadian

[muted peak]

God the connection is awful

[fair shale]

Tbh I enjoy shovel

[hollow ibex]

uhhh idk colors, i only remember mark names lol

[calm shard]

tactical axe is my go to basically all the time

that or heavy sword

[hybrid plover]

knoife

[hollow ibex]

hsword... 😭

[calm shard]

brutal momentum...

[muted peak]

I hate that thing

[hollow ibex]

10+ seconds to kill a single crusher

[hybrid plover]

i was gonna say tac axe but someone beat me to it