use combat shotgun right now to practice for having infinite cleave
#veteran-class
calm shard
calm shard
you fear the power
calm shard
the slug with inf cleave sounds funny
already attainable
slow spade
Bolter with infinite cleave UwU
calm shard
midnight wyvern
https://fximgur.com/a/SObUCHY
hm
calm shard
havoc 40 maulers btw
midnight wyvern
why it no used in haboc
midnight wyvern
have you been using it in havoc?
calm shard
no because every havoc I've played has had rotten armor so I've been using laspistol/helbore instead xd
would 100% use agri or zarona with no rotten armor though
hybrid plover
Petition to axe Rotten Armor out of the Havoc rotation forever
calm shard
zarona can also one shot bodyshot maulers with regular shells in auric
hits for ~4K in havoc
but it more consistently 1 shots reapers and bulwarks
also bolter tier boss damage
hybrid plover
Zarona's unyielding damage is bonkers for some reason
meager echo
auric is peak rn 
calm shard
Zarona's unyielding damage is bonkers for some reason
Zarona when ADS has a minimum pellet count of 16 into unyielding
(it only has 12 pellets per shot)
slow spade
auric is peak rn <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906...
Damn a duo run
calm shard
so if a SINGLE pellet clips the head of a reaper/pogryn/bulwark it does absurd damage to them
hybrid plover
Zarona when ADS has a minimum pellet count of 16 into unyielding
Is that even an intended behavior?
midnight wyvern
time for test
calm shard
shotguns don't really beenfit super much from any of them either
don't have the ammo economy to go around shooting fodder ranged enemies
you'll kill a lot of them by accident with man-stopper
midnight wyvern
pretty alright boss damage but it just takes so long to get out lol
calm shard
pogryn
midnight wyvern
77k 1 mag zarona, 79k bolter with my setup
calm shard
yeah but another thing to consider is that it's extremely easy to land the max amage with zarona from any range
so long as it's not a chaos spawn because of their hidden damage reduction (small hard to hit head in the center of their body)
because you only have to hit their head with 1 pellet for full damage
midnight wyvern
yeah but another thing to consider is that it's **extremely** easy to land the m...
not hard to hit a boss having a sad infront of you with a bolter
calm shard
I guess
I just like the combat shotgun
Zarona's special shell is also surprisingly decent
can one shot h40 moebian 21st
special shell also can one shot headshot h40 dreg shotgunners on crit in exe stance
silver patrol
does any of the recon lasguns have any impact
midnight wyvern
does any of the recon lasguns have any impact
N 
silver patrol
makes sense
calm shard
yeah
especially when said doof gun has infinite cleave crits so when heretics bunch up it just rips them all apart
midnight wyvern
krieg stuff back in store
with some other stuff
man
was interested in the helmets someone was showing off the other day
pseudo fiber
the elysian ones?
midnight wyvern
I think so
tame lodge
does any of the recon lasguns have any impact
Really low
slow spade
I know it's a dead dream but Maccabians UWOH
slow spade
Bully :c
midnight wyvern
in grains of dust along every cadians boots maybe
toxic reef
got some fun drip for the shovel shotty build now @hybrid plover, shovel is quickly becoming my fav vet melee
balmy ermine
Infantry lasgun
I do run a keystone
I just didnt feel like taking new screenshots
hollow ibex
I’d really suggest taking trench fighter with knife
And take demo team
And reciprocity over close quarter kill zone
Lasgun also really needs rending strikes
balmy ermine
Well I use the knife against armor
balmy ermine
Now toure telling me to be less lazy
hollow ibex
Out for blood also won’t be super useful with your weapons
balmy ermine
And now thst i just cant abide by
balmy ermine
Out for blood also won’t be super useful with your weapons
I mean in comparison to a 5% chance of getting a grenade that i dont actually need
5% toughness is a bit better imo
Well actually
On this build I run the dueling sword and lasgun
hollow ibex
And now thst i just cant abide by
Out for blood makes sense you’re using weapons with good horde clear or frags
Neither of which applies to this build
You already have ET CK and VOC so that’s plenty of toughness
balmy ermine
No such thing as enough toughness imo
But I see what you mean
Tbh I just run a lot of these things for the funny number increase
Ive put only a bit of actual thought into this build
hollow ibex
No such thing as enough toughness imo
Well your choice, I’m just telling you generally what works best with what
balmy ermine
And i believe that because I fully see what you mean
I just like the number being bigger
I run a marksman build with like 75 less toughness
But thats mostly for militarum rp
Not that id do that
👀
stiff glacier
Man kantarel lasgun could use better blessings
azure narwhal
any mk1 shovel fanatics? looking for a more advanced combo list
hybrid plover
got some fun drip for the shovel shotty build now <@109528432425062400>, shovel ...
It's very fun.
hollow ibex
any mk1 shovel fanatics? looking for a more advanced combo list
Wrong weapon to look for advanced combos on
calm shard
any mk1 shovel fanatics? looking for a more advanced combo list
here's your combo list
horde clear spam heavy
azure narwhal
Wrong weapon to look for advanced combos on <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
doesn't seem that simple tbh, i find this more advanced than the other MKs
azure narwhal
what about basic lights? they fall off in comparison?
calm shard
never worth using
hollow ibex
doesn't seem that simple tbh, i find this more advanced than the other MKs
Nope all the shovels are pretty brain dead
fresh spire
Not taking demolition team is trolling and absolutely worse regardless of build, you lose half of your grenades. THere is no way you an objectively shit amount of toughness regen is worth 30 grenades. If you love team toughness that much take the node on top that gives toughness + dmg when you kill enemies.
the top node that gives toughness on spec/elite kill should be removed, it's good for melee builds but you are only horde clearing with melee on this build with it so basically a dead node.
not taking trench fighter (10% atk speed) and the (15% elite damage) is troll on most builds.
I would probably take bleed over resupply when using the knife. Healing corruption and grenades on respply just isn't useful in auric.
15% base ranged dmg after avoiding melee damage, this is useless and the build is 100% better with marksman focus. When are you getting peel from teammates in quickplay that allows you to avoid melee damage for 8 seconds?
the dmg buff on ultimate on the right tree is bad and will not help you with anything, swap it for crit rate on dodge
azure narwhal
Nope all the shovels are pretty brain dead
i did say in comparison
spark helm
what about basic lights? they fall off in comparison?
When you're in a hurry and got buffs they're good enough to lop somethings head off like gunners up to auric. Never ran havoc with mk1.
Not super necessary though, just a minor caveat
azure narwhal
yeah i see
because well
special does seem to be lacking in damage albeit amazing stagger
but special into PA doesnt seem optimal for picking off elites
calm shard
Not taking demolition team is trolling and absolutely worse regardless of build,...
demo team is not mandatory, trench fighter drill is weapon dependent as some weapons (tactical axes, dueling sword, heavy sword) do not gain as much from it
calm shard
but special into PA doesnt seem optimal for picking off elites
man if you say you're not using skullcrusher on your shovel right now
the shovel community is going to start digging your grave
midnight wyvern
demo team is not mandatory, trench fighter drill is weapon dependent as some wea...
I dont even use TFD or elite damage on for PS on my build and it does more than fine
hybrid plover
man if you say you're not using skullcrusher on your shovel right now
I'll be real. I prefer decimator
fresh spire
I dont even use TFD or elite damage on for PS on my build and it does more than ...
yeah but what else would you take
that is providing as much value
hybrid plover
Extra cleave does actually matter when you get the groove of decimator down.
calm shard
I'll be real. I prefer decimator
azure narwhal
man if you say you're not using skullcrusher on your shovel right now
actually not, i'm using uncanny and deci
spark helm
special does seem to be lacking in damage albeit amazing stagger
Mhm. It's also a very reliable starting attack off the range and utility. If you're confident with your timing and damage too, it's fast enough to enable weaving in at least like two other targets while cutting in lights if you're on that kind of time.
Often though, a heavy for anything that isn't carapace in those situations is usually more than enough and the shovel already has good synergy off of stagger dmg passives.
hybrid plover
Not taking demolition team is trolling and absolutely worse regardless of build,...
Wait are you actually saying for them to take confirmed kill off?
What?
calm shard
to a guy using MMF lasgun no less xd
midnight wyvern
confirmed kill is just flat the best talent for toughness vet has lol
calm shard
like the exact target demographic for CK
hybrid plover
That is full on trolling wtf
fresh spire
Wait are you actually saying for them to take confirmed kill off?
i've never used it on any lasgun build tbh
fresh spire
played a decent amount of hellbore and didn't notice any difference
hybrid plover
played a decent amount of hellbore and didn't notice any difference
Ain't no flippin way.
calm shard
very uh impressive
spark helm
Sometimes people just don't care tbh. Confirmed kill is a powerful talent though for what vet is capable of and skewed towards.
hybrid plover
Confirmed kill is ridiculously good.
hybrid plover
Sometimes people just don't care tbh. Confirmed kill is a powerful talent though...
That's true but to say it has no value is just, outright false.
calm shard
hybrid plover
Because that regen stacks to insane values.
fresh spire
I mean ill give it a try but your survival on lasgun imo mostly comes from team and positioning, im not gonna face tanka gunner or gas and if i die from straight damage it's probably an unsolvable situation no matter the toughness
calm shard
straight up if your aim is on point you can kill havoc 40 gunner swarms without cover
just because of how absurdly fast your toughness regens
spark helm
That's true but to say it has no value is just, outright false.
I mean yeah, that's not something I'm willing to argue cuz I know what I do with my gun builds. Doubling up on kill confirm is if I'm taking charismatic and natural born leader to keep my lasgun firmly in the utility pez dispenser it can be.
midnight wyvern
I mean ill give it a try but your survival on lasgun imo mostly comes from team ...
thats just not true
calm shard
I mean ill give it a try but your survival on lasgun imo mostly comes from team ...
you most certainly can facetank multiple gunners with CK toughness
Especially with MMF
midnight wyvern
into ranged, that is where you're strongest
calm shard
that toughness replenishment goes miles
slow spade
I mean if you position under a crusher overhead your survival goes down
calm shard
If you're also actively dodging, dodge sliding etc. to keep yourself alive then you will not die to ranged enemies period
fresh spire
yeah im already doing that on every other build
spark helm
I mean ill give it a try but your survival on lasgun imo mostly comes from team ...
Just give it a try and perform the way you know you do and take some more risks through that positioning.
In my experience confirmed kill and iron will literally are enough to keep me healthy on toughness to justify aggression with lasgunplay during executioner stance for example.
And beyond that example is how its power allows it to be a great flexible mainstay choice for veteran builds on average.
fresh spire
i already use that
spark helm
You really can just slap it on without even thinking and it's good is their point mostly.
fresh spire
im just not sure what would be good without making melee feel like chewing on a gobstopper
spark helm
It'll make you able to keep eating the next one tbh.
It's incredible in melee builds and just in general.
It's one of the reasons why veteran can afford staying power when they have momentum.
midnight wyvern
yeah but what else would you take
spark helm
Since it's purely killstreak based, a veteran that knows their damage can just stay topped off and ape out.
midnight wyvern
is what I use
calm shard
its also got good pathing into other useful nodes
tactical reload being on the wrong side of the tree
forcing me to use the worse reload talent for my shotgun gaming
midnight wyvern
and I just don't really have melee problems
balmy ermine
Not taking demolition team is trolling and absolutely worse regardless of build,...
Not taking demolition team is trolling and absolutely worse regardless of build, you lose half of your grenades. THere is no way you an objectively shit amount of toughness regen is worth 30 grenades. If you love team toughness that much take the node on top that gives toughness + dmg when you kill enemies.
I mean im not that reliant on grenades tbh
the top node that gives toughness on spec/elite kill should be removed, it's good for melee builds but you are only horde clearing with melee on this build with it so basically a dead node.
That was leftover because I didnt fully read what it said and I swapped it for marksman focus
not taking trench fighter (10% atk speed) and the (15% elite damage) is troll on most builds.
I mean I usually 2-3 tap no matter what on while dancing around elites with weakpoint hits so its not really necessary
I would probably take bleed over resupply when using the knife. Healing corruption and grenades on respply just isn't useful in auric.
Once again im mostly hitting weakpoint hits with my knife so a bit of bleed isn't doing a whole lot imo
15% base ranged dmg after avoiding melee damage, this is useless and the build is 100% better with marksman focus. When are you getting peel from teammates in quickplay that allows you to avoid melee damage for 8 seconds?
I kill everyone around me first? And its good for starting off engagements by helping pick off elites Idk what you're saying here
the dmg buff on ultimate on the right tree is bad and will not help you with anything, swap it for crit rate on dodge
I mean the only time I need to pop voc is when im completely helpless and overwhelmed, in which case id rather be doing more damage overall, and dodge is already a none issue considering that im running the knife (dueling sword for this build but point still stands)
fresh spire
but grenades are free damage
spark helm
Hmmm....
hybrid plover
Out for Blood has value only when you're actually killing anything and only for that particular kill. It does synergize well with shredders or flechette db
With confimed kill. Assuming you're doing the thing you should be doing as a veteran, you're getting value from it at all times virtually.
balmy ermine
but grenades are free damage
Prefer stabbing them unless im feeling lazy
fresh spire
i mean ur just doing less damage intentionally at that point
midnight wyvern
nade the far ones, stab the close ones...
balmy ermine
thats alot of words
I would not let the slander go unopposed
midnight wyvern
hybrid plover
That being said
balmy ermine
i mean ur just doing less damage intentionally at that point
I mean im still killing
fresh spire
yes but intentionally at a slower rate
hybrid plover
Ya not having demo team is definitely a choice and the red nodes aren't great anymore
midnight wyvern
did you not ask for build advice? im confused lol
fresh spire
while probably wasting the grenade/60s perk
balmy ermine
yes but intentionally at a slower rate
Don't wanna be lazy bruh
midnight wyvern
not directly I guess, they asked if their build was shit
fresh spire
Don't wanna be lazy bruh
if you are intentionally killing things slower, that is by definition being lazy
balmy ermine
Its about the work
midnight wyvern
@fresh spirejust say yes next time
spark helm
<:sobCool:760110629755027505>
It's not a lot of words tbh. If anything the argument flows into why confirmed is so valuable because it rewards performance and competent play which they're saying they do without it.
So taking their own word for it naturally means that acknowledging that reality when taken stands against every angle that claims it doesn't aid in anything.
balmy ermine
if you are intentionally killing things slower, that is by definition being lazy
Yeah, but im putting in actual effort to kill them
How is stabbing lazier than throwing?
silver patrol
you could play without putting any talent
you would still kill the enemies
if anything, you would be putting more effort in
red robin
alot of words for me who picks talents based off crackpot build synergy and gameplay that seems stimulating to me
spark helm
None of that really matters and is only relevant when discussing animation startups and recoveries and not if confirmed kill is good.
balmy ermine
But its alr
midnight wyvern
bro wanted us to blast his build so he could stand up for it ig
I dunno what's going on here
midnight wyvern
fresh spire
less grenades > more grenades
spark helm
Because even if you don't want to take confirmed kill and go deeper into glass cannon builds, it doesn't change the fact that even taking confirmed kill itself makes those glass cannon vet builds better.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
calm shard
less grenades > more grenades
true smoke grenade enjoyers know this to be
red robin
ego farming battle happening rn
spark helm
You're totally free to ignore it and even perhaps ignore that it works with what it works. Because then that's just wilful ignorance which could explain a lot of other arguments even at an unconscious level.
No worries.
fresh spire
You're totally free to ignore it and even perhaps ignore that it works with what...
are u still talking to me because i agree with ur take like 20 minutes ago
midnight wyvern
true smoke grenade enjoyers know this to be
smokes, demo team, tinkerer means nobody gets to see
spark helm
The imperial guardsman. I've been keeping up with the convo we good.
balmy ermine
ego farming battle happening rn
I mean idk who's got an ego
red robin
if you don't take yourself too seriously, ya got that dynamic armor to avoid circular logic mfs debating you nonstop
midnight wyvern
balmy ermine
if you don't take yourself too seriously, ya got that dynamic armor to avoid cir...
Brotha what
spark helm
smokes, demo team, tinkerer means nobody gets to see
Just join the blunt rotation silly.
midnight wyvern
forced exe stance take with allied vision
spark helm
forced exe stance take with allied vision
Boom.
That's just good host behavior at that point. No notes.
red robin
my b, my brain is too simple for the meeting of the minds'
spark helm
Hospitality Veteran - I'm making the build right now.
fresh spire
forced exe stance take with allied vision
take the "spot regular shooter guys" perk as well so ur teammates still can't see anything except a sea of yellow
i legit got a migraine from that perk when i turned it on and my entire screen was yellow shooters
midnight wyvern
spark helm
take the "spot regular shooter guys" perk as well so ur teammates still can't se...
That's just good recon. 😛
fresh spire
couldn't tell who was a specialist
balmy ermine
i legit got a migraine from that perk when i turned it on and my entire screen w...
Called a target rich environment
spark helm
couldn't tell who was a specialist
Hit you that there ping button bubbo.
I can make it more yellow
Focus tsrget is part of hospitality vet now.
New agenda.
spark helm
In response to anti-ck rhetoric.
No nobody can act like they can't see the trapper in the crowd or the obvious crusher brigade.
Ez.
midnight wyvern
oh wth
kind bison
Oh god last night was OOPS ALL CRUSHERS
midnight wyvern
Target Down! is actually pretty good lol
spark helm
Target Down! is actually pretty good lol
Yeah.
midnight wyvern
30% toughness to your team is kinda neat
calm shard
take the "spot regular shooter guys" perk as well so ur teammates still can't se...
the upgrades do not apply to the shared vision
spark helm
Do you see the light now?
midnight wyvern
no
spark helm
and born leader
Do you finally see with eyes unclouded by hatred?
midnight wyvern
OCE servers have no comprehension of melee so exe stance is miserable without a premade
I'd rather shit in my hands and clap
calm shard
exe stance combat shotgun
play like you have weapon specialist
just man-stopper through the horde to kill the ranged enemies
spark helm
OCE servers have no comprehension of melee so exe stance is miserable without a ...
That's fine because guess what? We take exestance and focus target for ourselves first and foremost
balmy ermine
just man-stopper through the horde to kill the ranged enemies
Ahh, the doomslayer school of thought
spark helm
And because we're goated vets in this scenario, everything we do to keep people in the backpack means they can always return to it. It'll always be there.
You take those two, counter-fire or whatever you want snd focus target and you turn yourself into a walking utility well that can still deal real damage.
When tactical awareness was better, it was fucking dumb. But born leader was kind of meh in most cases before the newer changes.
calm shard
born leader gun vet is wild
spark helm
Hospitality Vet is dead ass the natural conclusion of Ranger Veteran at this point
calm shard
you'll just be gunning down specialists and your team becomes nearly invincible leeching off your toughness regen
spark helm
All they had to do was some merges and those juicy pathing changes
spark helm
you'll just be gunning down specialists and your team becomes nearly invincible ...
EXACTLY
calm shard
works in havoc too
spark helm
You're an aquila with a fucking gun that gives sustain that matters. Actual real support presence that isn't losing damage and fits into a viable and accessible role
Please see the light yall. I know it's dark in these hives but we can make it through just shoot the fucking highlighted targets ;_;
slow spade
Fun detected, nerfing immediately
spark helm
Fun detected, nerfing immediately
I literally got the hospitality vet build almost done and I actually want some help with the writing for it cuz I don't know these spreadsheets I just know that the shit works 😅
calm shard
Fun detected, nerfing immediately
you forgot that they would also buff psyker again
spark helm
if you can see without exe stance im playing wrong
It's so simple when you just think about.
You can honesyly just go with whatever variation. I like tripling down with ability modifiers period.
This spread is literally the primary skeleton.
I'm so serious
Just embrace the light yall 😭
Support vet is really real this time around
fresh spire
Do kraks not magnetize in bosses or something, I keep missing them
spark helm
And it can be so versatile because vet is a busted jack knife class
silver patrol
just a goofy guy?
is there a reason you take the left talent for exe stance
midnight wyvern
is there a reason you take the left talent for exe stance
read up king
sea of piss
spark helm
is there a reason you take the left talent for exe stance
If we're doubling down on the support angle yes because us staying in coherency will always give value. Even out of coherency we keep spinning our buffs off simply existing. This is a very strong case for redundancies in a build.
silver patrol
uhhh
spark helm
You can honestly just choose what your preferences are with how to add to exestance in this setup.
midnight wyvern
take the "spot regular shooter guys" perk as well so ur teammates still can't se...
sea of piss
silver patrol
does that actually apply to your teammates
spark helm
the one that spots shooters
This is exceptionally good for variants of this skeleton that want to task themselves with shutting down ranged units. This makes our upkeep practically eternal with good momentum even if we're getting kills in melee after closing yhe distance as necessary.
midnight wyvern
This is exceptionally good for variants of this skeleton that want to task thems...
ogryn spotting one basically does the same too lol
makes uptime to 8s
spark helm
The idea here is to use information to constantly give ourselves a steroid. Even if we drop grunts, we maintain upkeep.
spark helm
ogryn spotting one basically does the same too lol
Yes this is true but rate of kills will always have a presence so even staggering kills when it happens isn't mucu of a downside. Depending on yhe ranged weapons of choice here, our overall damage to ogryn is always up
Which is why we have these added redundancies. It doesnt matter which direction we go, we always have something of value to give to ourselves and thus, the team.
midnight wyvern
I feel like that was alot of words for not alot said
in havoc, I'd probably take shooter node over ogryn anyway
shooters more dangerous
spark helm
Focus target covers that base if counter-fire is taken. Plus, we have to remember that this build is predicating itself primarily on providing information as often as possible for ourselves and others. One ping can change where dps goes too and charismatic and born leader are still going at the same time.
What i will say is that so far, I haven't pushed different variants to 40 yet because I'm still climbing so that's where others experimenting is going to count.
Hospitality Vet needs to be spread. It's even beginner friendly in an insane way I can't describe
midnight wyvern
well I am at 40 already and can experiment so, may as well
im basically otherwise only playing the game on mondays for weekly moola
spark helm
I'm about to drive but when I get back I have some skeleton screenshots I can drop if you wanna just give em a try while I make my own progress.
Something that I personally think is probably going to matter the most for variants with diminishing returns may come down to just how well a weapon can be built for the talents but I'm thinking whatever is just solid up to 40 in like...
Let's say two to three build variants based off said skeleton.
And testing it with already goated havoc ready weapons.
That's my thinking.
eager raft
Anyone got any tips for the on overwatch trophy?
midnight wyvern
yeah, been thinking on the weapon, as good as the hellbore is I don't think I want to go that
midnight wyvern
Anyone got any tips for the on overwatch trophy?
use gold, spam gold, bonus points if you make a team from somewhere like here and have them also spam gold
toxic reef
Anyone got any tips for the on overwatch trophy?
rolling steel, toughness damage is fine to take
spark helm
yeah, been thinking on the weapon, as good as the hellbore is I don't think I wa...
I guess a big question is what ranged and melee weapons exist that are broadly just going to be worth taking because these builds really can be morphed into specialized and generalist styles.
toxic reef
it's not as good as before, but you can make it on what, malice?
sharp epoch
back in my day we didnt have gold toughness for on overwatch 😤
spark helm
Like variants of voice of command here can also exist too with this skeleton for hospitality veteran but I haven't done it in a while.
calm shard
I did it before auric was even a thing
eager raft
Thank yall🤩
sharp epoch
I did it when infantry lasgun was the meta lol
midnight wyvern
Like variants of voice of command here can also exist too with this skeleton for...
yea ive been tempted to try the funny generation build with VoC instead, I don't see how regenning people back into gold isn't better than just full toughness but
less good now that the gold lasts less time but still
spark helm
@midnight wyvern omw back but thanks fr for considering it. I've been waiting on this idea to actually get the added sauce it needed because it was always there just very narrow and often a pain in the ass to sustain between patches.
midnight wyvern
gold is gold
I am very much planning on running this probably later today (for me its 5am lol) with my group, will definitely experiment
spark helm
yea ive been tempted to try the funny generation build with VoC instead, I don't...
Most i can say is like...idk gorilla squad behavior back when tactical was much stronger. It made you hyper aggressive and very handy for maintaining wild dives. You could basically act as a bouncer for especially reckless players.
midnight wyvern
what does that even mean
spark helm
Unsure about it now because tactical awareness carried a lot of that extra horde control and vip kills on frags and shredders.
But now we got better access to grenade spam 🤔
midnight wyvern
😭
sharp epoch
yeah the tac awareness nerf was pretty huge in terms of vet power decreasing but we did get some talent tree buffs
hollow ibex
yeah the tac awareness nerf was pretty huge in terms of vet power decreasing but...
Tac awareness nerf? You mean the VOC nerf with infil as collateral damage
spark helm
what does that even mean
You could just play stupid with stupid people and bulldoze because you had yourself as a walking toughness and grenade dispenser. Your own tdr and nade regen just made it free to cycle voc on cooldown. It was ignorant as fuck.
You could just enable stupidity back then. Idk how it could've worked in havoc when it came out though.
sharp epoch
Tac awareness nerf? You mean the VOC nerf with infil as collateral damage <:KEKW...
Tac awareness was the thing that they nerfed specifically which affected both yeah
spark helm
Now vet can have more nades that are empowered anyway so tje possibilities open and I'm now really curious.
The only thing I know for sure though: it was really fucking mid with infiltrate. Like, just whatever and inconsistent because everything cost more to path to. I wouldn't even bother trying it rn because we got two other abilities that work way better here by every measure.
spark helm
cuz you still do that with voc
I meant it with voc for the hospitality vet skeleton. Back when the heavy infantry lasgun was better, it made that style pretty potent in my experience. P. Sword mk6 go dummy
It didn't matter if I shot something or stabbed something, just getting kills and staying in the pit with other people let us breeze through maelstroms back when that was the max difficulty.
Just being good made it great. Being cracked made it stupid.
sharp epoch
Idk if they needed to hit VoC with another nerf this last patch tbh
midnight wyvern
how is that different from now?
midnight wyvern
Idk if they needed to hit VoC with another nerf this last patch tbh
I barely noticed a difference
spark helm
how is that different from now?
I wouldn't know yet. I think it might be even crazier now tbh.
sharp epoch
The tac awareness nerf was plenty in terms of decreasing the VoC spam
spark helm
I haven't done this skeleton with voc yet.
I've been eating like crazy since exestance got buffed.
Hell, you can even ignore focus target if you want and go mmf too
There's so many possibilities fr.
sharp epoch
I barely noticed a difference
I mean it's a 33% nerf to the uptime so it's pretty huge, you won't notice it at least for cds or anything
spark helm
It's that flexible
midnight wyvern
I mean it's a 33% nerf to the uptime so it's pretty huge, you won't notice it at...
yea i cleared 2 40s earlier with 0 issues regarding being weak due to lack of gold lol
sharp epoch
Try with pubs 😂
midnight wyvern
sharp epoch
h40 success depends more on your team, but individual strength does increase your odds
meager echo
I notice a big difference in gold up time after duration nerf.
But VoC is still the best for vet.
sharp epoch
born leader + exe stance support 😤
midnight wyvern
rumbler
meager echo
You can't spam mindlessly but you can cycle cooldown if there is a chorus or another vet in the team.
Pretty much nothing change.
midnight wyvern
purgatus
spark helm
Like plasma gun. Hellbore whatever that one vigilant autogun is
midnight wyvern
midnight wyvern
Like plasma gun. Hellbore whatever that one vigilant autogun is
Graia probably
sharp epoch
Vet is: plasma, db, helbore
midnight wyvern
I've yet to see a DB lol
sharp epoch
I've seen a couple running around, and I've done it too it's not bad
spark helm
I can't think of any ranged weapons off the top of my head that aren't already going to get what they need to be great in havoc based off the path we're playing with here.
midnight wyvern
lots of bolters but thats because I am the one who bringuth the light to the unbelievers
sharp epoch
Does uh, fuckin boltgun show up?
Bolt pistol mainly, most bolters I see are on zealots
meager echo
Boltgun vet is more of a boss killer. Its not very good at sniping special.
calm shard
you'll see it snipe specials on exe vet because instant ranged weapon swap
spark helm
That's like four prime candidates for testing at the very least. Good pool.
Melee is power sword and...what else? Idk what other weapons exist for vet that will be needy for bottom right talents.
midnight wyvern
Bolt pistol mainly, most bolters I see are on zealots
N
meager echo
Nothing beat plasma at sniping specials, due to the large mag -> pretty much no reload.
calm shard
That's like four prime candidates for testing at the very least. Good pool.
Mel...
power sword, dueling sword, combat axe
sharp epoch
That's like four prime candidates for testing at the very least. Good pool.
Mel...
Mostly DS still and knives and some PS users
spark helm
Boltgun vet is more of a boss killer. Its not very good at sniping special.
Mhm. Can put a pin in that and keep it saved for voc variations of hospitality vets.
calm shard
uncommon weapons that still show their faces more than not include tactical axe and knife
buoyant patrol
Hypothetical. If I used knife and revolver infiltrate. Should I use krak grenades or should I have fun and try to smoke grenades I've never used them?
buoyant patrol
So have fun
hallow drift
uncommon weapons that still show their faces more than not include tactical axe ...
Shovel users: 
sharp epoch
Even though PS is regarded as the best melee here, most vets on h40 use DS
midnight wyvern
Boltgun vet is more of a boss killer. Its not very good at sniping special.
thats cap
and also a self report
just aim and shoot them
spark helm
Hypothetical. If I used knife and revolver infiltrate. Should I use krak grenade...
Either one. Up to you. Smoke opens up more opportunities for you to keep yourself safe and even hand you your approaches to sweep vips up sooner.
spark helm
It can definitely be used to snipe, I'm just thinking about how often I use these builds and how liberally I use ranged weapons.
That's why it's part of the testing pool too.
sharp epoch
@spark helm You should just run havocs yourself
spark helm
Speaking of revolver, do people even use that in havocs?
midnight wyvern
not enough ammo
meager echo
You have to take into account the swap speed, reload speed, cleave through horde and ease of use.
midnight wyvern
useful on zealot IME but YMMV
meager echo
Aint no way bolt gun beat plasma
midnight wyvern
You have to take into account the swap speed, reload speed, cleave through horde...
positioning and versatility
spark helm
<@103263517334843392> You should just run havocs yourself
I already will be which is part of the point. Getting help with people being interested also helps because I'd actually like to collaborate and author a little build idea for it and have it posted until it needs to be scrapped.
midnight wyvern
if I can keep up or out kill someone maining special role while also vaporizing bosses
bolter is more than fine for it lol
spark helm
And havoc has also been a pain in the ass for me to run so I slowed down with climbing.
sharp epoch
if I can keep up or out kill someone maining special role while also vaporizing ...
I think bolter for bosses is pretty redundant if you know how to fight bosses with a PS
spark helm
Still planning on getting to 40 either way since that's only thing I haven't done yet in this game.
meager echo
Im not saying boltgun cant snipe special. Its worse than plasma gun at sniping special.
midnight wyvern
I think bolter for bosses is pretty redundant if you know how to fight bosses wi...
TTK is important
not having to retreat, not having to deal with, not having to chance a grab or being eaten or anything because the boss dies instantly is huge
or not caring that twins spawned because its 1 mag per twin and they stop existing
meager echo
The ammo reserve also a factor to consider ( survivalist )
spark helm
I think bolter for bosses is pretty redundant if you know how to fight bosses wi...
For this build concept, redundancies are pretty powerful either way so that's the reasoning. But the skeleton for the build is flexible enough to always have room for it.
hybrid plover
Even though PS is regarded as the best melee here, most vets on h40 use DS
I see vets using combat knife more tbh
spark helm
Intent and purpose is malleable when the base foundation is already stable yk?
hybrid plover
And they should cuz its better
spark helm
How dependent is combat knife on right tree bottom talents?
Just curious
I can't think of a time where I used it and didn't run them.
Yeah. Never used it without bottom right.
sharp epoch
I see vets using combat knife more tbh
Yeah in terms of popularity from vets I see in party finder its DS> knife > PS > combat axe/tac axe > shovel
hybrid plover
How dependent is combat knife on right tree bottom talents?
The bottom right talents are very beneficial but weapon specialist is only really necessary for mk3 knife from my experience because it likes atk speed a lot
spark helm
And the finesse bonuses yeah
midnight wyvern
mine is PS > PS > PS into plasma with kraks
all meta slaves
and like 2 random dudes with bolters
chads
hybrid plover
I've ran mk6 with focus target with skirmisher, EW and agile
I'll be real. Kinda underrated setup actually.
Focus target makes those push attacks do the BIG damage
And believe it or not. I use it with serrated flesh cuz that extra damage affecting the bleed can make a real difference for horde clearing
meager echo
I prefer FT than ws.
spark helm
What mods do people use for testing?
meager echo
I dont want to explain to my lobbies
midnight wyvern
What mods do people use for testing?
solo play QOL and creature spawner
spark helm
Like mob generation and maybe dps charts mods will be helpful
meager echo
They keep asking for ft
spark helm
Especially any with a dps log i can just reference
sharp epoch
They keep asking for ft
asia lobby sounds miserable
slow spade
Yeah I like FT more than WS
sharp epoch
nae is just like no one talks then starts when full team
spark helm
solo lets you do H40 Psyk and creature spawner lets you
Anything special I should know about mod stability with that?
slow spade
But too expensive to get FT + the juicy nodes before WS :c
meager echo
asia lobby sounds miserable
Every lobbies have the same comp, the same build
midnight wyvern
asia lobby sounds miserable
hybrid plover
But too expensive to get FT + the juicy nodes before WS :c
I've been able to run those just fine cuz I usually try to path for Bring it Down anyway
sharp epoch
you only made 600k when he made 700k
midnight wyvern
all because I told him he can tell me how to play when he doesn't die first
asia lobbies have mentally stable combatants
sharp epoch
I haven't really had a toxic interactions other than one guy in my lobbies
spark helm
Having someone follow you from the lobby to the comments on an unrelated game is some prime hater shit fr.
That's a journeyman right there.
Lmao
midnight wyvern
hybrid plover
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993501379463225425/1426478171469123634/im...
I can't help but respect it. Pure hater right here.
spark helm
Unemployed.
Shit they can be chilling on three mortgages who knows?
All we need to know is that dude will find a way when they care. That's commendable.
Hopefully they can channel that shit into another hobby shit lol
hybrid plover
uncommon weapons that still show their faces more than not include tactical axe ...
Idk why tac axe isn't used more
midnight wyvern
tac axe is goated
hybrid plover
It really is a very good weapon right now
midnight wyvern
that special is nuts
spark helm
Imagine how good dude could make a bird house that keeps out squirrels?
Stellar craftsman potential.
hallow drift
I’d like to believe they’d just go for a zip in the jacuzzi rather than going on a Hatecrusade lol
hybrid plover
It's like the one weapon you seriously do not need trench fighter or ws for
midnight wyvern
hey man, you can hate crusade on your phone while in the jacuzzi
hallow drift
But hey that’s me. I’d just cry into expensive European alcohol while waiting for my next QP lol
spark helm
I’d like to believe they’d just go for a zip in the jacuzzi rather than going on...
Shit they could lease a cross country vehicle to pull up to be a hater lmao who knows.
hallow drift
Tru tru
spark helm
I'm just amused and actually impressed. I've only had something like that happen once but on two different platforms
hallow drift
Employs a small team to leave hate mail on all your socials
Truly a pillar of the community
spark helm
Never expected a hate dm to show up after beating someone in a fighting game.
Brother got lucky on guessing my handle just to salt at me
hallow drift
Back in Dark Souls you’d get fan mail through GFWL or on your profile
umbral scaffold
tac axe is goated
I actually prefer taxe over combat knife if I’m being honest. It really is amazing. For fun I run taxe martyrdom build on zealot…it’s busted
hallow drift
Dead by daylight players are also pretty vindictive lmao
spark helm
Back in Dark Souls you’d get fan mail through GFWL or on your profile
Xbox voice hate mail used to be insane.
You know someone serious the moment they clear they throat in the mic and the playtime is maxed out.
Like 😭 you so serious plssss
Why did I have to hear bro take a sip first?!
Pfft
hallow drift
Xbox voice hate mail used to be insane.
You know someone serious the moment the...
The more elaborate the profile + avatar the more you knew they were invested
Me with the default panda and Asian dude:
midnight wyvern
Back in Dark Souls you’d get fan mail through GFWL or on your profile
war thunder hate mail is pretty unique
spark helm
The more elaborate the profile + avatar the more you knew they were invested
I've had people in other games like do temporary handles and follow me between lobbies
Like on some tf2 salty shit
midnight wyvern
chat bans to not deter those people
hallow drift
That’s WILD
spark helm
"X IS A [SLUR] PUSSY BITCH"
But it's the same soldier I domed for two hours
And dude is still getting spanked.
hallow drift
“Oh no there’s a sniper owning me on my slow class that uses a projectile weapon”
change nothing for 2 hours of straight 25/7 harvest
spark helm
I was a spy/scout/demo most of the time
hallow drift
“Man I hate TF2”
midnight wyvern
“Oh no there’s a sniper owning me on my slow class that uses a projectile weapon...
spark helm
Okay I'll be real, the slurs weren't necessary at all and they on some weird shit but I was being a dickhead on my mains.
umbral scaffold
Bully maguire would be a good operative to make.
hallow drift
I love me some scout but when there’s a shitload of engineers, you just gotta make a call lol
spark helm
If I could style on you I'd pick on you for a little.
hallow drift
“It’s demo time baby”
spark helm
If I could style on you I'd pick on you for a little.
I'll admit that
umbral scaffold
Scunt? Does that mean scabby ***t? Lol
spark helm
People called me a scunt
Were you in a caribbean/south american lobby?
hallow drift
Nah it was just scout + cunt lol
spark helm
That's crazy coincidence lmao
spark helm
Scunt is an insult colloquially depending on where you are.
Like Guyana for example.
So I thought you were playing in that region because of it lmao
umbral scaffold
Yeah, most trolls don’t. I honestly avoid most team games. Darktide and VT have good player populations. I rarely see anyone whine/blame everyone for things going wrong.
But go play a game like overwatch or battlefield and it’s all you hear all match
hallow drift
People HATE getting meatshot + conga’d on
spark helm
as an aussie, I approve
It's said in the same kind of passing spite too depending on who is upset with you for whatever aussie equivalents.
slow spade
Yeah, most trolls don’t. I honestly avoid most team games. Darktide and VT have ...
"Good player" sees teammate due to poxwalker
hallow drift
Walk up to enemy
Blast them from point blank
Deal bajillion damage
Use conga emote
midnight wyvern
meatshot sounds like you're shooting them in the junk
hallow drift
There’s a death screen freeze frame where they just have to look at your goofy ass
spark helm
Alright
I get back to driving to test more hospitality vet.
What were those mods again @midnight wyvern ? Just reply to this with em I gotta get back on the road. Time's up, break's over.
midnight wyvern
un momento por favor, ill just link the mods
sharp epoch
Yeah, most trolls don’t. I honestly avoid most team games. Darktide and VT have ...
I find the competitive, smaller team games have more complainers (e.g OW, Valorant, CS2), battlefield and cod just have big teams
jaunty sphinx
what does that even mean <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Meatshot = point blank scattergun shot where every pellet connects
Conga = conga taunt
jaunty sphinx
https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-eww-yuck-disgusted-nasty-gif-5453708
Meatshot as a term has been around since like 2007 idk
midnight wyvern
never heard of it
but then again
never was a TF2 player
I played the better TF2
shy raft
Dusted off my vet and holy hell
calm shard
the best thing ever
heavy rover
Golden toughness goes very well with iron will
hollow ibex
Is duty and honor a crutch
yeah
calm shard
Is duty and honor a crutch
100%
gentle lake
wheres iron will
hollow ibex
but nah there's a reason why it's up in the middle of the tree now
it's a core vet talent
frank basin
tidal arch
Evening all
umbral scaffold
Evening all
Evening!
tidal arch
Anyone down for some missions?
midnight wyvern
Anyone down for some missions?
what flavour and where
steel veldt
Mfw armourbane penace
literally just throwing 2000 kraks at trash enemies with armor
uncut nest
Are the Semi-auto lasguns still not worth taking anymore?
midnight wyvern
hellbore is technically semi auto
steel veldt
really?
uncut nest
I mean like the Kantreals
midnight wyvern
and that shit has the sauce up and down that barrel nasty style
infantry las guns are shit though
midnight wyvern
Except laspistol
🫦
tidal arch
what flavour and where
Im down for anything. Even havoc or aurics
And sorry I was in a mission
midnight wyvern
yea but where you from
battling demons is one thing
battling ping though
scares me
buoyant patrol
So if I'm using the knife and already have a carapace and big boy killer. And willing to swap uncanny strike for one of the bleed ones like lacerate or fleshtearer
Which should I use??
midnight wyvern
no
hollow ibex
So if I'm using the knife and already have a carapace and big boy killer. And wi...
you don't remove uncanny
you take uncanny, then take another blessing of your choice
willow prairie
you can remove uncanny if you want to not killing anything but poxwalker
buoyant patrol
But I'm using riposte and don't really wanna lose it. Plus I'm only a auric and lower player
buoyant patrol
Mmmm
tidal arch
battling demons is one thing
Texas
steel veldt
lmao
tame lodge
So if I'm using the knife and already have a carapace and big boy killer. And wi...
Never lacerate
steel veldt
If only he didn't leave
steel veldt
lmao
he was shooting carapace maulers with an autogun btw
And he has the nerve to insult others
midnight wyvern
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993501379463225425/1426478171469123634/im...
@tidal arch
tidal arch
I saw it
tidal arch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993501379463225425/1426478171469123634/im...
Someone is salty
willow prairie
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993501379463225425/1426478171469123634/im...
tanner alt
midnight wyvern
do plasma gunners have their own voicelines?
yea
willow prairie
I literally don't understand why 30 years old dog is a insult
midnight wyvern
added a bit ago, same with the giga glow and juiced charge sounds
midnight wyvern
the voicelines or plasma gunners?
tepid otter
I cant seem to remember what they even say lmao
surreal rune
voicelines
umbral scaffold
Tbh, I never hear the plasma gunners say anything because everyone has learned to kill them ASAP.
midnight wyvern
I wonder if you go visible in psyk if enemies voiceline
time to go test
that would be a no
probably buried somewhere in audio files they'd be seperate but
no idea
I don't do that kind of thing
surreal rune
no one has uploaded them either
spark helm
@midnight wyvern finally got back. just gonna do a crash course test run.
charred elm
Finished levelling up vet to 30. All my classes are now level 30. Veteran is the worst at the moment in my opinion sadly
although maybe im playing wrong
surreal rune
if veteran revolves around the plasma gun and dueling sword, knife, or power sword, its quite competent
charred elm
i was using recon lasgun and the new falcion sword
surreal rune
ah
the recon is alright
but the new falchion may feel a little under the weather
or other options
tame lodge
do plasma gunners have their own voicelines?
They have but it's so low
umbral scaffold
i was using recon lasgun and the new falcion sword
Well! First question is where do you find you’re struggling with vet? Is it mass hordes? Mixed hordes? Carapace armoured enemies?
All of the above?
midnight wyvern
Finished levelling up vet to 30. All my classes are now level 30. Veteran is the...
midnight wyvern
Hunt them down
TERE EM DEWN
hybrid plover
Finished levelling up vet to 30. All my classes are now level 30. Veteran is the...
You may be playing it wrong.
charred elm
Well! First question is where do you find you’re struggling with vet? Is it mass...
probably mass hordes
tame lodge
Hypno hasn't uploaded the vos
umbral scaffold
probably mass hordes
I’d suggest trying the tactical axe or the power sword
hybrid plover
Vet has went from worst class to probably the second best after rework
umbral scaffold
For your melee weapon
charred elm
I've been mostly playing a support build that looked fun but it has its weaknesses
midnight wyvern
I’d suggest trying the tactical axe or the power sword
or combat axe and do brutal momentum
surreal rune
power sword, tac axe, shredder grenades
midnight wyvern
head lopper 9000
umbral scaffold
or combat axe and do brutal momentum
Yes, mixed with head taker
midnight wyvern
or combat axe and do brutal momentum
rashad to be specific
umbral scaffold
Throw flak and Unarmored on it and become ultimate horde mulcher
surreal rune
ah
midnight wyvern
but yea, power sword fucks
umbral scaffold
Power sword is amazing.
Like once you use it, it’s hard to go back to other melee weapons
surreal rune
power sword with the attack speed buffs from trench fighter drill and weapon specialist is certainly a beast
midnight wyvern
power sword with the attack speed buffs from trench fighter drill and weapon spe...
honestly, doesn't even need them
surreal rune
true
midnight wyvern
if you have them, and want to use them, go for it
hybrid plover
Like once you use it, it’s hard to go back to other melee weapons
Me, who actually doesn't like power sword that much:
charred elm
Relic blade is my favourite melee in the game, is power sword similar?
surreal rune
focus target might be better for the one taps
midnight wyvern
but it doesn't need them if you decide to go another build
surreal rune
if it may still get those on crushers
hybrid plover
Relic blade is my favourite melee in the game, is power sword similar?
Honestly, no.
surreal rune
the activation is closer to the thunder hammer or crusher
midnight wyvern
Relic blade is my favourite melee in the game, is power sword similar?
yes and no, yes in the way of powered mode being better but no in the overheat mechanic
hybrid plover
Power falchion is more similar
umbral scaffold
Relic blade is my favourite melee in the game, is power sword similar?
Its similar in the sense that you need to activate it
surreal rune
you power it up, get one or some powered attacks, and it turns off
midnight wyvern
power sword is 3 hits (with level 4 power cycler) and its off
but its easy to turn back on, you get used to doing it mid swing
hybrid plover
But those three hits do a ton of damage
sharp epoch
Vet has went from worst class to probably the second best after rework
I think the second best is only in terms of pure dps, but other melee classes definitely have better survivabillity and team suppott
umbral scaffold
but its easy to turn back on, you get used to doing it mid swing
Yeah, I find once you land your third hit, just block dodge back and reactivate and you’re set!
surreal rune
the preferred mark is the power sword mk6 with unyielding, carapace and power cycler, brutal momentum/sunder/slaughterer
iirc
hybrid plover
I think the second best is only in terms of pure dps, but other melee classes de...
It's the fact that it has the team support along with being as high damage as they are that puts vet up there imho
sharp epoch
Meh their support got gutted pretty much, chorus and taunt have much better utility and uptime
and psyker bubble also has the most dps with decent utility too
hybrid plover
Meh their support got gutted pretty much, chorus and taunt have much better util...
10s of gold and an immediate stagger is not being gutted if you're talking shout.
10s is still a lot of time for how reactively you can use it.
sharp epoch
I mean you reactively use all the abilities
hybrid plover
Like it's worse. But considering what ability we're talking about, worse doesn't mean it's suddenly bad either.
sharp epoch
theyre all mostly instant and provide stagger as well
midnight wyvern
charred elm
is dump stat on power sword mobility?
midnight wyvern
cleave targets
hybrid plover
theyre all mostly instant and provide stagger as well
Chorus can easily be canceled by bullshit. Taunt while really strong and also very quick, can end up backfiring because of how it tunnels everything towards you.
charred elm
cleave targets
thank you
hybrid plover
Shout is basically a full on no risk, high reward ability. So it's good that it got put in check a little because it is still very strong even now.
midnight wyvern
yea its still perfectly fine in H40 lol
hybrid plover
If anything, I'm surprised tey didn't hit it harder.
sharp epoch
I'm just saying vet is probably bottom two in support, arb is bottom
midnight wyvern
how?
sharp epoch
Taunt uptime is basically 100% and keeps all enemies off your team, bubble is bubble, and chorus is basically shout but longer stagger but longer cd so its comparable (but they have easier cdr)
midnight wyvern
are you just ignoring all other utility for the sake of your argument?
sharp epoch
Those are mostly the things that provide support for your team? Unless you're talking about smoke
hybrid plover
Kraks being an immediate crusher killer is a lot of utility.
Shredders being a bleed nuke are also a lot of utility actually because some setups synergize very well with bleed setups
willow prairie
knoife
hybrid plover
It's not just about shout.
midnight wyvern
smokes are an option yes, but I don't know what you think nodes like born leader, field improv, target down, Focus target, redirect fire and covering fire are for if not team sup
hell, your toughness regeneration nodes become your teams toughness regeneration nodes with born leader
stack that shit
sharp epoch
Kraks being an immediate crusher killer is a lot of utility.
Shredders being a b...
Idk if I consider kill more as support because you could just bring another psyker to mulch stuff faster
sharp epoch
smokes are an option yes, but I don't know what you think nodes like born leader...
Those are supportive, but I haven't seen meta vets take half of those
scenic basin
Haven't played in a wile. How viable is helbore marksman stance vet now on Auric and H40?
hybrid plover
Idk if I consider kill more as support because you could just bring another psyk...
A psyker is not killing a group of crushers as immediately as a krak vet
midnight wyvern
Those are supportive, but I haven't seen meta vets take half of those
how do you know they're meta vets
hybrid plover
That just isn't happening
sharp epoch
how do you know they're meta vets
I mean the meta build is pretty similar it's been posted before
midnight wyvern
what makes it the meta build lol
hybrid plover
Psyker is busted but they still have limitations as to what they can take care of quickly.
calm shard
Haven't played in a wile. How viable is helbore marksman stance vet now on Auric...
I actually just did my first havoc 40 since the reset with exe helbore IV
sharp epoch
what makes it the meta build lol
Like every vet I've seen in h40 runs it ._.
midnight wyvern
Psyker is busted but they still have limitations as to what they can take care o...
baws
calm shard
Exe's absurd toughness regen and Born Leader not being shit makes exe stance vet very good
tame lodge
Haven't played in a wile. How viable is helbore marksman stance vet now on Auric...
Very, except on Rotten Armor
Actually
scenic basin
I actually just did my first havoc 40 since the reset with exe helbore IV
But the meta is still VoC I presume?
tame lodge
Even on rotten Armor
calm shard
Yeah but Exe stance is a viable alternative now
midnight wyvern
doesn't make it the Most Effective Tactic Available, just means its what all the sheep think it is
sharp epoch
doesn't make it the Most Effective Tactic Available, just means its what all the...
I mean metas usually form because it's the most effective/easiest to use
calm shard
But the meta is still VoC I presume?
I mean sure but that's not what you asked
exe gun vet is viable all the way up to havoc 40s now, and can have almost as much supportive qualities as the usual VoC setup but much higher damage
It's not as reliable as VoC, and much harder to play but it's a hell of a lot more engaging
midnight wyvern
I mean metas usually form because it's the most effective/easiest to use
if another build rolls up because someone finally gets around to it and it makes your team be able to face tank gunner groups is it suddenly not going to be used? or do you think someone would pick it up and then more people would pick it up
because I do be feeling thats the way it can be going
hybrid plover
Exe stance rise up 🗣️ 🔥
sharp epoch
Yes, the meta can shift, but the current one looks like this with some wiggle room #veteran-class message
After the patch though, it might change
calm shard
Yes, the meta can shift, but the current one looks like this with some wiggle ro...
yeah my melee builds are basically exactly that but I drop BiD and the +25 toughness above it for stamina regen delay
faint beacon
Tbf you can drop AE on builds but like
calm shard
I use knife most of the time
hybrid plover
Serrated flesh tearer knife my beloved...
calm shard
exe stance more like sexe stance
sharp epoch
exe stance more like *sexe* stance
exe stance superiority
midnight wyvern
Skirmisher and E.Weakness are must haves
me barely touching them this entire rework:
midnight wyvern
Yes, the meta can shift, but the current one looks like this with some wiggle ro...
sharp epoch
https://tenor.com/view/cat-macska-cica-vomit-oklendez-gif-14738230240638170539
See it skips born leader and field improv, the only utility is shout or the nades I guess
calm shard
I think field improv is distinclty okay and severely overrated
It's an inconsistent situational talent even if you actually get the crates when you have a chance to use them
Instead of having them spawn in one of the boxes on the run back to the dropship
Looking at YOU Hab Dreyko
The situations that it's good in are great!
But that relies on having the crates
And that situation even coming up in the first place
And someone on the team actually benefitting from the grenades/corruption too
midnight wyvern
if you're not looting, I dunno if you're playing above damnation or something lol
I don't get it
sharp epoch
And someone on the team actually benefitting from the grenades/corruption too
Usually only the ogryn has nades, but I think the med crate buff is the only useful one
beacon zealot makes field improv not needed at all though
umbral scaffold
Field improv…is that the talent where you get nades from ammo pickups?
calm shard
the grenade one is better if you have an ogryn (no rock), or you're using kraks and REALLY need them
faint beacon
Having multiple field improvs is also technically dead weight
you only need 1 for it to work if you have multiple vets
midnight wyvern
I do not struggle to find crates, and too many a time has the basically extra med station been either a massive help in needing to try less in a particular run because of a full reset or nades for an ogryn turned a fucked spot into an easy pass
people say skill issue
and then get overheaded 94 times like they have any ability to talk about gameplay
calm shard
not an extra med station since it can't cleanse wounds
calm shard
and corruption damage outside of wounds is...kinda rare?
midnight wyvern
on you I guess
faint beacon
"the sheep loadout"
midnight wyvern
you take corruption damage if you take melee damage
faint beacon
my brother in christ its either Serrated or Field
its not gonna kill you
everything else is shit vs though two paths
midnight wyvern
my brother in christ its either Serrated or Field
🐑
calm shard
you take corruption damage if you take melee damage
yeah but not a significant amount of it unless you've taken enough for it to down you
you'll be missing maybe like 10-20 health total
calm shard
poxburster do infact do a fuckton of corruption damage
but they do a fuckton of normal damage and may well just down you too
poxhounds do exclusively corruption damage
really in my experience poxhounds are the only significant source of corruption damage in the game outside of people going down
and y'know
burgle
hybrid plover
Poxhounds have started to make their way up the chain for worst specialists recently tbh
Because so many of them instapounce now.
faint beacon
Because so many of them instapounce now.
nearly all instapounce
hybrid plover
And it's just a chunk of your health instantly corrupted for it.
Idk what's going on that the specialist behaviors are just getting worse but poxhounds are definitely the worst example I can think of.
hollow ibex
And it's just a chunk of your health instantly corrupted for it.
that shit is so annoying
heal > instapounced
serene bough
i like improv over serrated blade
but ill take one or the other depending on how much melee focus is in my tree
calm shard
I literally only use improv because I usually use tac axe on gun vet
And serrated blade doesn't do shit for that weapon
hybrid plover
What's even worse is when a gunner was already targeting you and they pounce you and the gunner was already in the salvo.
hollow ibex
wdym SB is great for taxe
hybrid plover
And you're just done
faint beacon
I literally only use improv because I usually use tac axe on gun vet
"Tax pathing" but its way fucking better than Get Back In The Fight
hybrid plover
SB actually puts in work with tac axe btw
hybrid plover
What doesn't do much
faint beacon
You'd be surprised
hybrid plover
Is trench fighter
hollow ibex
What doesn't do much
serrated blade for taxe
faint beacon
I tend to not take TFD so I dont grab Serrated with a Taxe build
hybrid plover
So I run both field and serrated for taxe actually
faint beacon
but when its something taking TFD It's a toss up on what melee im using
and which talent
hybrid plover
It's the only weapon I'll bother to do that with
hollow ibex
I tend to not take TFD so I dont grab Serrated with a Taxe build
oh yeah true
faint beacon
But literally its either Field or Serrated
hybrid plover
But literally its either Field or Serrated
Run both
faint beacon
Reminder taxe doesn't need TFD like- 75% of the rest of Vets melees
faint beacon
Run both <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
ET demands I take it
especially with how I play
Columnus click on enemy head
become goku for 3 seconds
it still greatly upsets me this thing is literally "Meet Potential Melee!"
slow spade
Is the tac axe fast enough without trench fighter or is it bugged or something?
faint beacon
Is the tac axe fast enough without trench fighter or is it bugged or something?
Its always been fast enough without it
slow spade
Ah ok
faint beacon
TFD is literally just a QOL pick for it if you want quicker attack speed I suppose?
but its not really needed
so you can save a talent on a Taxe build
slow spade
Just wanted to be sure it didn't get the "funny" treatment :p
faint beacon
I only judge when people quadruple down on really stupid takes
slow spade
Ah those are funny though :c
hollow ibex
TFD more melee dps tho
faint beacon
I used it a bit during that time and it was literally
yeah if you sacrifice everything that makes Vet moderately able to tank one hit
yeah
you can use it
LMAO
slow spade
TFD more melee dps tho
Yeah I took it on my tac axe build. At the very least it didn't feel bad
Still need to tinker as I'm not very used to tac axe :c
faint beacon
I've been using the Vigils since they were called the Headhunters
and I still haven't stopped using them
slow spade
yeah if you sacrifice everything that makes Vet moderately able to tank one hit
"Guys I found the one build that makes recon good and that no one else discovered UwU"
hollow ibex
I've been using the Vigils since they were called the Headhunters
i still hate the new names
faint beacon
Cause of blessing names
and then they
casually readded talents
with blessing names
slow spade
I still want to just say "helbore mk3" instead of whatever the fuck it is now
slow spade
I still call the Inferno staff, purg
Thankfully I think even the new players get what I mean
willow prairie
purg is way shorter
sharp epoch
call it infer
willow prairie
pur
unreal nova
Thankfully I think even the new players get what I mean
Burny stick.
surreal rune
for what has been mentioned, in my knowledge, in darktide's lore
i believe we would likely get a hive ganger, mechanicus, or an eldar as a 5th class
otherwise im out of ideas
gilded wraith
Thoughts on Columnus IAG?
hollow ibex
Thoughts on Columnus IAG?
still meh
indigo scroll
Is stability the dump stat for helborne lasgun?
tame lodge
Thoughts on Columnus IAG?
Middle child victim
hybrid plover
I like columnus
Easy to hit heads with cuz the recoil is more predictable
But yeah it's lacking otherwise.
hybrid plover
any good DB build that doesnt use weapon specialist?
Tbh. Not really lol
static radish
i know i know
its good but i dont vibe with it
ngl i dont vibe with any of vet's keystones lol
hybrid plover
Unfortunately double barrel kinda rides or dies by weapon specialist because of the guaranteed crits
hybrid plover
Nothing else really gives it as much value
static radish
yeh yeh
umbral scaffold
So! IAG’s! What’s the good, bad and ugly on them? I’m guessing they are rough vs carapace?
heavy rover
Is stability the dump stat for helborne lasgun?
yes
static radish
Nothing else really gives it as much value
but doing this is...idk not for me?
hybrid plover
but doing this is...idk not for me?
You're definitely doing it right for sure
static radish
oh thats not me lol
hybrid plover
Oh