veteran-class

[spark helm]

It had its weeks of fame then died which is fine because sometimes I like it when people lose novelties through patches.

[steep flower]

Wtf do you mean by that? The ONLY enemy it does not topple is Bosses… everything else fall on the ground…

[fair shale]

Also has a wildly fast CD

[spark helm]

It's the foot knight charge iirc.

Pretty ridiculous

[fair shale]

Essentially yes

[spark helm]

You just play football

[steep flower]

Basically 13 sec

[sharp epoch]

I thought it just opens up bulwarks instead of knocking them over

[stuck gorge]

15-10 seconds based off if you have the one subnode talent

[grand perch]

i guess well have to disagree on that one

[sudden cedar]

It will put Bulwarks on the ground.

Crushers too.

[steep flower]

Go to psykanium & charge every elite/special

[fair shale]

BtL is great tbh

[steep flower]

And you’ll see

[fair shale]

I honestly prefer it to Og Charge

Good mobi on a short CD with great CC

[steep flower]

Arguably the best ability, nuncio is close behind and CS is the worst (still nice but in comparrison is the worst for such a character like arby)

[spark helm]

Prefer ogryn charge for the range of use but I don't see most ogryn making the best out of creating space

[fair shale]

I think either NA or BtL can be the best depending on team comp

CS is fun but it's a selfish, greedy take

[spark helm]

They kind of just let it rip and whatever happens, happens. I don't see many ogryn actually burning it then getting to work on things that matter to max things out. They just charge to charge and flail.

[steep flower]

Its like shroudfield but worse

[fair shale]

By The Emprah if you don't feel cool using it tho

[spark helm]

I take cs and still play as center sentry for coherency.

[tall torrent]

It’s just BTL

[spark helm]

But yeah, it's a self-declaration ability primarily.

[fair shale]

Look I'll take your vet opinions but you're wrong on this one.

NA is a genuinely phenomenal support ability on arb that can sure up teams lacking a sort of defensive anchor and I'd absolutely use it over BtL for some comps

[steep flower]

Whenever i see arby with casti on my team i know i cannot rely on him to save/aid the team with his ability; harsh truth but it is what it is

[steep flower]

The subnode for buffs is soo good it makes nuncio work in every situation and thats great

[spark helm]

Someone will get downed and I'll pop castigator and blow an entire path to them.

Support is a choice, not just a playstyle. 🙂

[fair shale]

The right subnode will actually make the rot armor crushers and maulers a joke atm

[spark helm]

But it's way easier to accomplish that by running shit over lol

Oh. Someone got downed.

[fair shale]

Left subnode on NA is an autotake imo

[steep flower]

Unless crushers then you can’t do shit; only time casti can do smth to the team is when you pop it to revive a teammate while under ranged fire ONLY

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-football-tackle-shut-down-gif-13461215

^ me on the crusher about to overhead the netted psyker. Btl gaming

[steep flower]

Right one is still bad

[steel veldt]

ONLY thing I dislike about Weapon Specialist is that it activates on weapon swap and not shooting....

[fair shale]

Its bad if your teammates have a brain

Its great if they're the kind of people who cannot deal with crusher overheads

[steep flower]

But then again; wtf they be doing in havoc to begin with

[sudden cedar]

If they cannot deal with Crusher overheads, what are they doing in Havoc in the first place?

[spark helm]

I usually take the zap dog and pull up in melee. Might use the shotty to just get their attention and stop an attack.

Or...just use the slug shotty then the crushers are in trouble. Or the pistol.

[fair shale]

Buddy, there's a lot of people I've met in havoc that make me go "why are you in havoc?"

[orchid hemlock]

Heresy*

[fair shale]

Why are so many people who don't know how to push a poxburster in havoc? Idk. They're there tho.

[slow spade]

most players can't even handle Heresy

[sudden cedar]

@fair shale Yeah..well..that is a good point too.

[spark helm]

I think some people just take longer to peep how enemies have to make commitments too so crushers become a problem easily.

[steep flower]

Same; some ppl are absolute dogwater and i’m being civil with that statement

[orchid hemlock]

Maybe if Fatshark made a better learning experience

[slow spade]

getting off my 9-5 job just to die to poxwalkers and sit in the Death screen

the quickplay experience I guess

[spark helm]

I think that some people just don't care which is fine.

[sudden cedar]

I think getting your face smashed in is a good learning experience. Learning through pain. In Darktide at least.

[fair shale]

Ive seen people in havoc who could not deal with 4 poxwalkers

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but what do you learn?

[steep flower]

Yeah; maybe the game for these ppl ain’t for them then

[spark helm]

Takes time to learn via throwing oneself into wipe after wipe.

[spark helm]

And people sometimes just really ignore the basics enough to think that classes will compensate for a gap in their personal arsenal of tricks.

[slow spade]

I wonder how many of the playerbase would be snapped out of existence if you take too much damage from poxwalkers UwU

[sudden cedar]

Arbitrator

[steep flower]

Ppl give up more than try to improve

[spark helm]

They don't really have to, but I cant expect fatshark to patch in my dodge choices yk?

[orchid hemlock]

I think at the fundamental level, the game at default settings is just impossible to learn in 💀

[fair shale]

When I was walking to school the storm vermin just outright one shot you on the hardest difficulty and they spawned in platoon sized patrols

I can still hear their march in my head

[spark helm]

I can't poke fatshark to get me to stop walking into rager mosh pits without a plan or stopping fire from being hot yk?

[orchid hemlock]

How TF do you know where everything is at 50 FOV

[slow spade]

spidey sense mod -> all markers active UwU

[fair shale]

Why is the name of god is the default fov 50 btw

[vestal widget]

... Wait is that the default fov

[fair shale]

Its lower than it should be, ik that

[orchid hemlock]

How do you see anything when you move 2 cm = having your screen look like an earthquake simulator

[spark helm]

Looks normal for most people id wager

[fair shale]

Idk, I play every game around 100 fov unless it breaks

[spark helm]

Higher fov is jarring for folks if they're not used to playing with those settings.

[sudden cedar]

*Do i post it or not? 🤔 *

[slow spade]

Quake FOV time

[slow spade]

my friend playing 180 FOV in SCP Containment so he can't be jumpscared

[spark helm]

And people are usually playing with graphics settings and button configurations.

Not consciously increasing fov.

[fair shale]

Peanut ain't allowed to move ever again

[spark helm]

Pfft holy shit

I don't even play that game but that's funny.

[slow spade]

it did work to be fair

[fair shale]

It was unironically really fun before the entire playerbase was 12 year olds

[slow spade]

the lifecycle for any remotely popular multiplayer game

[fair shale]

Balanced too ig, fucks over peanut, dangerous for shy guy

[spark helm]

Meh. It's whatever. Kids gonna hop on the video game at some point.

Most of the worst players in a random quick play situation are probably kids anyway

[slow spade]

lol yeah was funny when he screenshared though

[spark helm]

At least in these popular ftp competitive/co-op games.

[slow spade]

it's a shame a lot of the kid games are dead now

[vestal widget]

Fisheye quake with 360 fov is trippy

[fair shale]

Children cant even play roblox in peace lol

[slow spade]

rip ToonTown, you were my childhood crackpipe

[spark helm]

I'd say that they're pretty strong but narrow. Idk I don't have a child sibling or relative I keep up with frequently enough to be hip.

[fair shale]

Poptropica players rise up

[sullen scarab]

What perks and blessings do you run on the VIc Recon Lasgun? I always see you recommend it and I'm curious to try it out over the XII BRRRRRRRRRRRT memegun

[slow spade]

yeah :c most of my younger siblings play stuff like Rocket League and Fortnite

[fair shale]

When my brother was younger he was a destiny fiend

[slow spade]

I use DumDUm + Deathspitter for reliable damage

I see Headhunter and Infernus too but the Headhunter nerf is big sad

[fair shale]

I use Deathspitter+Infernus cause I like my ranged flamethrower

[spark helm]

The ftp pvp game market got their backs to a degree. Roblox is atill going nuts. Fortnite and Rocket League is still going on.

I'd say the hard taste maker sauce is in the indie single player games especially. There's so many gems that feel like they would've been flash game blockbusters back in the day.

[hollow ibex]

dumdum infernus is the default combo

and then i run unyieldign crit

[fair shale]

Yeah

[sullen scarab]

got it

[fair shale]

Thats very standard Recon Las

Deathspitter is probably one of my favorite blessings in the game tbh

[sullen scarab]

I wasn't sure if it was like 5% crit/flak or 5% crit/Unyielding lol

[slow spade]

indeed c: hopefully the indie game market keeps going strong like this. Vintage Story my beloved

[hollow ibex]

chaxe mk4 on ES melee vet. i like the single target damage but booooy does the horde clear struggle

[hollow ibex]

flak is good too

i just take unyielding because of bulwark racism

[spark helm]

Most likely at the rate mainstream gaming is disappointing people. Well, rather at the rate mainstream AAA games are outpricing people.

[fair shale]

I hope we eventually get another CHAxe that does horde better

[sullen scarab]

makes sense lmao

[fair shale]

Ive wanted to use it since launch but its so

[hollow ibex]

i want to like mk xii

but i still don't like the slow ass revs

[fair shale]

Its defo a weapon you have to work with

[hollow ibex]

if i commit to standing still for a full second in a crusher horde

i want to know for sure that the rev will kill the crusher

unfortunately, it may not

[slow spade]

yeah :c I hear BF6 released in a solid state. But it's like 70 USD while I could get like 3 AA games instead

[spark helm]

Exactly.

[fair shale]

BF6 is tempting but I genuinely think it'll be dog in a year

[slow spade]

at least ChainAxe is doing better now

I don't feel like I'm throwing anymore when I use it

[spark helm]

Video games have always been expensive in their own way fr but nowadays it's even more ridiculous.

[slow spade]

I hear they added a map maker which people are already making stupid ass maps like putting COD maps into a 64 player match

[spark helm]

And if you like pc gaming well, firstly you need to be able to buy in in the first place or be barred from a large sum of libraries to access/create.

[fair shale]

Game companies want me to spend more money cause they take more time to make games but I want game companies to stop bloating their games with 100 gbs of shaders and instead develop interesting mechanics

[spark helm]

Hard disagree. I need to see the light shine off a poxwalker boil while scoped in.

[fair shale]

64 man rust lmfao

[slow spade]

Yeah :c thankfully there's ways to "acquire" games if you're priced out

fucking Paradox lmao

[hollow ibex]

dogass company doesn't deserve a single cent even if you can afford their games

[fair shale]

Idk how people play Paradox games

[slow spade]

I hear they already made Dust2 from CSGO and Shipment from COD lol

[fair shale]

Shipment is such a map of all time

Go on that mf to grind

[slow spade]

in the current state of Stellaris, even the AI can't play Paradox games (they need a +130% resource boost to begin matching a player)

[fair shale]

Tbf I've never played a game in that vein where the ai doesnt literally cheat

Especially on higher diffs

[slow spade]

yeah even my friends that play Stellaris have rolled back to 3.14 which is like 8 months ago because the current updates are dogshit

[slow spade]

There's AI boosts and then there's +130% output to get an AI that barely matches a player

[spark helm]

Don't got that/can't actually afford that kind of an upfront sink? Boom, you stay in console world.

Can't afford the right wires for ethernet? Well first of all can you even afford the internet bill that'll give you speeds that are even stable? Are you even in an area where the isp isn't just milking an a place with poor network infrastructure? Lol here's your 300 ms at 4 am. That's your best speed. 😄

Get pranked, you're on the switch.

CCCCCC:

[slow spade]

ah yeah true lol, my friend has had to give up on some games because even some indie games have requirements too high for him lmao

though that's probably because the game I recommended halted updates and had to stop due to being in the Red for too long

[spark helm]

I remember playing with the hardware and software weights for decades even into adulthood cuz money is a scam.

Literally every solid computer accessory I bought I immediately felt the difference.

Used to play shooters on track pads off USB internet. 😭

By the time I got a proper mouse, I lost my mind because I was actually too fast for the mouse.

Because to track well on track pad you had to crank that shit

[slow spade]

fun times with not having money c: The first thing I did once I got my first job was buy good computer parts lol

[spark helm]

I remember when I finally got access to stable frame rates with solid clarity.

[slow spade]

I never had to go that far due to just taking people's broken computers and taking what I could

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-code-matrix-code-encryption-encrypted-gif-5662740

[slow spade]

would be funny to see someone finally get good internet speeds only to realize it's the game's shitty servers UwU

Darktide moment

[spark helm]

And then I eventually got access to better internet that I paid the bill in full on.

First time I played with an ethernet cord on a modem I actually owned.

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-perfect-cell-punching-gif-1489960437663783265

[slow spade]

yeah I always had to be careful when bumming off of university wifi.

[spark helm]

Ah. Such speed.

[spark helm]

I lost my shit when I peeped the 2 mb download speed on campus territory wifi

Pfft

I never saw that a day in my life at home I'm so serious

650 kb at best

[slow spade]

ikr, ethernet was such a glow up. I can't live without it anymore lol

moved to new apartment for job -> first thing I set up was the ethernet and router -> then checked water and fridge

truly I am not addicted

[spark helm]

"Damn, I really can just look at a video without waiting 10 minutes"

I remember trying to figure out a silly formula for buffer wait times.

Depending on the length of the video was the amount of time needed to get to x runtime of the video lmao

[slow spade]

my formula was to threaten it by opening Task Manager, idk why it always seemed to load faster

[spark helm]

I had a ritual that conditioned me as a child when I had computer use opportunities.

I got the video ready, pause it twice, minimize the windows, get up and leave the room for 5ish minutes, come back snd watch at least 3 minutes uninterrupted. Repeat.

[slow spade]

ah yeah back in the day when you could get youtube to actually buffer videos lol

[spark helm]

It was like radio listening but all the time lol

[slow spade]

ah my friend wants to jump into an auric

nice talking with you :D

[spark helm]

I'm getting car parts. Time for replacements.

[slow spade]

oof yeah I need to get mine checked :c

[spark helm]

Need to cut my nails so if my finger slips while trying to pry something open I don't rip my nails off.

No work gloves yet but this isn't a complex/invasive fix.

Just plucking something out and making sure it's properly slotted back in.

[tall torrent]

what comp

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/ascii-ballpit-kmoe-blxty-funeral-gif-20453634

[void dragon]

Ninja felinid class archetype sneak peak

[plain quest]

I miss being able to three shot crushers with vet's powersword

[hybrid plover]

I honestly think Nuncio is good for the opposite reason.

It's good if you already have a team that's pretty heavily defensive since it compliments that more.

Like, say, shout vet, bubble psyker and tauntgryn

Just constant toughness regen the whole game.

[plain quest]

Nice pfp

[hybrid plover]

Break the Line just kinda works on any comp really

Oh me?

[plain quest]

Yeah

[hybrid plover]

Thanks c:

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1427003383847321832/zt.gif

[plain quest]

4 veterans without krak granades vs a single auric Crusher.

[midnight wyvern]

that is unfortunately a skill issue

[hybrid plover]

Power sword still mogs crusher tbh

[austere mica]

Pretty sure ps6 can still 2 tap

[midnight wyvern]

PS fucks crushers

lol

[plain quest]

How tho?

[hybrid plover]

Those right side buffs go goofy with power sword

[austere mica]

Stacking melee buffs

How else

[covert fable]

It can 2 tap consistently

[midnight wyvern]

my build with like, 2 things buffing its damage can 4 hit H40 crushers

[plain quest]

Powered with 3 charge hits to the dome and it only takes half their HP

[austere mica]

Sounds like a build issue

[hybrid plover]

Are you push stabbing

[covert fable]

Are you using the push attack

[plain quest]

... No

[midnight wyvern]

stab him in the forehead

[austere mica]

Oh

[plain quest]

Let me check something

[midnight wyvern]

works wonders

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/nikocado-avocado-rage-angry-gif-23510601

[plain quest]

My reaction

[hybrid plover]

Legit that might be exactly what you're doing wrong

[plain quest]

Nevermind, 3 hits and it's dead

[warm schooner]

ps6 best can opener

[plain quest]

Just had to switch the mark to Mark VI

A single push stab takes half their health, nasty

Oh god this thing two shots maulers without buffs

[heavy rover]

welcome to peak power sword gaming

[hybrid plover]

tac axe db goes stupid

[oak pagoda]

should I buy the pirate or voidsman skin from commadores

[slow spade]

It's even better when you realize Power Sword is the most nerfed weapon in the game

[void dragon]

i like the Psword, but i dont love how much damage to a single target it does ngl

[hybrid plover]

https://gyazo.com/3d4bdd731715be118d66ad299986bb81

[void dragon]

funny how making its weakness to being interrupted awoke its true brokeness

[slow spade]

I still wish it didn't get powered off if you get hit during an attack

[hybrid plover]

i ran smokes btw so that's all axe and shotgun causing that mayhem lol

[slow spade]

damage taken > 0, shit build 😔

[void dragon]

i currently want that to be an official thing, considering how strong and above the curve to other weapons it is

[slow spade]

na it should be buffed

c:

bring back 7 powered attacks PS

[void dragon]

it should oneshot Wolfer and the twins in a single kebab

[slow spade]

I wish I got to try the 7 powered attack PS before it got dumpstered :c

[slow spade]

as intended

[plain quest]

Which shoot stick? I've been tempted to make a shotgun build

[hybrid plover]

i also pride the fact that there was a plasma dueling sword vet on this team

[hybrid plover]

weapon specialist double barrel

[slow spade]

of note, get the "instant reload per stack" upgrade

[plain quest]

The good old double wammer, it never misses

[slow spade]

makes the Double Barrel flow a lot better

[plain quest]

Mind sharing the build?

[sharp epoch]

the simplified scoreboard gassp

[hybrid plover]

i do not care to have a ridiculous amount of metrics on one screen tbh

[midnight wyvern]

I like seeing what did what

[plain quest]

Man i wish we had the scoreboard on console

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a0193620-1d2e-43f1-b4ab-910a482f5a26/axe-skimisher?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

oh forgot to put the blessings on axe

headtaker and brutal momentum

as per usual

[plain quest]

I'm going to use it with the shovel

[midnight wyvern]

proof?

[hybrid plover]

you wont need rending strikes then

just run uncanny mk1 and ur set

[tall torrent]

with like 8 more buffs falchion will be good enough & balanced

power sword can use like

4~5 ish nerfs?

including changes to blessings

[steel veldt]

pfffft

That Arby carried

[hybrid plover]

when the arbitrator does in fact, arbitrate

[hollow ibex]

i mean bro gets to play on one difficulty level lower than everybody else

[steel veldt]

Considering what me and my really good friend were doing

It was more like Auric Malestrom +

for him

My Psyker friend just kept popping poxbursters in my face and I kept popping poxbursters on myself

[sharp epoch]

43 minute auric male sounds painful

[hollow ibex]

oof

[plain quest]

It is painful

[spark helm]

Stooge mission lets goooo

[plain quest]

Last time i played maelstrom the whole operation took like an hour.

[steel veldt]

Yeah

[plain quest]

[steel veldt]

My Psyker friend wanted to do the objective to unlock Havoc

[spark helm]

I love wiping because we all tripped on our shoelaces and broke our necks falling down stairs.

https://tenor.com/view/salt-salt-powerpuff-powerpuff-salty-powerpuff-girls-gif-25469224

Fuck me dude I'm a little irritated by that wipe.

[plain quest]

Mk1 shovel?

[hybrid plover]

ye

best shovel

[plain quest]

Heby, heby = profit

[hybrid plover]

could either go uncanny deci or uncanny skullcrusher

[spark helm]

Has anyone played around with the folding shovels since this patch? I've never used them before and I'm curious.

[hybrid plover]

eh.

[plain quest]

Can't count the amount of times i solo'd an horde by just pressing R2

[hybrid plover]

problem with them is that the change to crushers did indirectly hurt their use

[plain quest]

One crusher is not a problem, 5? Now that's the issue

Still, thanks for the build

[spark helm]

How so? Is the best way to actually use it against them only the special fold attack?

[hybrid plover]

it's the thing that can actually stagger them

mk1 just has a fast poke you can throw out really quick , and then you can just push attack + light light

with serrated, it does decent work for crushers

[void dragon]

not the only weapon it needs one of those, aside from balance adjustments in numbers the next thing the Obesefish can do is make a Blessings rebalance distribution i feel

[spark helm]

Sometimes I'm petty and spite serrated.

But but

I'm doing some melee builds just because.

Maybe about two? One for general use and maybe another for more specific classes of melee weapons that focus on single target and elite kills. Probably just going to make sure the generalist works well first

[hybrid plover]

shovel's a weapon that really benefits from serrated specifically

[spark helm]

Yeah I remember

Almost every melee generalist voc + ft/ws build i used before ran serrated

And then I'd just cruise with easily strong ranged weapons

Or at least ranged weapons that made melee easier to keep forcing.

I'm probably gonna grab ws because I like it more

[void dragon]

what is the thing that make one want to run with the Rashad axe on arby over its other melees?

[spark helm]

Thinking this for the whatever melee generalist.

[sharp epoch]

no skirmisherf

[spark helm]

Might fuck around and ignore fire team for the 5% movement. Not exactly sure how some of my melee choices are going to handle losing weakspot damage.

[hybrid plover]

skimirsher being ignored

this is so sad

can we get 5 likes

[steel veldt]

Skirmisher discrimination..

[sharp epoch]

also you pass up the 25% toughness for 10% rending

[void dragon]

skirmishier bullying

[hybrid plover]

to be fair on that one

10% rending depending on the weapon can be pretty useful

[steel veldt]

Also

[spark helm]

Toughness is a suggestion to me tbh.

[steel veldt]

can someone explain why I had SIX grenades on Maelstrom

[spark helm]

I just don't care that much about them.

[mortal aspen]

Enhanced Blitz

[hybrid plover]

grenadier + extra blitz

[vestal widget]

enhanced blitz?

[steel veldt]

Wtf is enhanced blitz

[vestal widget]

you get extra grenades

on some maelstrom conditions

[steel veldt]

huh

neat

[spark helm]

More nades. Not sure if there's anything else.

[steel veldt]

I sure as hell fuckin' needed them

lol

90% of my damage was them

[spark helm]

I guess I can test it out either way in a moment. Figuring out car stuff still. Taking a break.

Do people actually got respect for skirmisher now?

I mostly like the 30% weakspot for the minor juice up for ranged to even out ws. But I'm not 100% sure how much the build can need it before buffs are being applied.

[serene bough]

its pretty good currently

[narrow frost]

its overtuned rn

its an always take

[spark helm]

I like sprint interactions so fuck it sure

[hybrid plover]

"pretty good" is an understatement

[serene bough]

previously taking it was trolling but its a pretty much must pick if youre going for any melee focused build

[spark helm]

Fuck it. Weakspot and ranged go out the windows now.

[narrow frost]

it works with sliding now

[spark helm]

I'm taking skirmishes and duck and dive

[hybrid plover]

even on non-melee builds, it's still very powerful

[sharp epoch]

its like 26% damage always for juggling some sliding andf sprinting

[hybrid plover]

it's 25% extra damage for playing the game

quite literally

[serene bough]

core point investement for any melee build

[spark helm]

I mean...yeah at that point.

[narrow frost]

its also base damage iirc

[spark helm]

Lemme reread it on kulis

[serene bough]

well, most builds tbh unless youre dedicated ranged

[narrow frost]

so its DoT , ranged, and melee damage increase

[spark helm]

Wait what?

[hybrid plover]

even dedicated ranged builds can still make use of skimirsher honestly

[narrow frost]

that plus exploit is like +50% base damage

[hybrid plover]

it's that good

[serene bough]

wouldnt take personally if im going full ranged

[narrow frost]

"+6.25% to all Base Damage for 10s after Sprinting or Sliding. Stacks 4 times."

All Base Damage

All

[spark helm]

Huh.

That

[narrow frost]

told you,

overtuned

[spark helm]

Yeah skirmisher and duck and dive.

Yeah.

[hybrid plover]

not a have to, but it genuinely does work even on ranged

[spark helm]

Yeah. This feels good.

[hybrid plover]

since you can just dodge slide while aiming and firing

[narrow frost]

"Hitting an enemy with a critical melee attack (including melee special actions of ranged weapons) increases any damage by 20% for 6s; stacks additively with other damage buffs, and multiplicatively with power level buffs from weapon blessings."

this is exploit weakness

[hybrid plover]

and you're still keeping the buffs going

[spark helm]

I can't do a full mission but this is really nice.

[narrow frost]

melee crit buffs base damage

[spark helm]

Hold on melee vet arc?

Is it my new time, again?

[narrow frost]

vet can easily get 25-50 crit chance by playing the game

now with the highest base crit chance its easy uptime for exploit

[hybrid plover]

there's a reason vet's being called the second best class rn

[narrow frost]

God, I love power creep

[spark helm]

Are there any melee that's really dependent on onslaught?

[narrow frost]

waiter waiter, more power creep

[hybrid plover]

not dependent

[spark helm]

I'm thinking three builds atm.

[hybrid plover]

but tac axe does like having it

that being said

you could also just go rending strikes

[ancient path]

i love how this game has been out for like 3~ years and ppl still dont play in coherency and dont want tostick together

[spark helm]

So I'm trying to see how far I want to push redundancies.

[ancient path]

guy gets plague orgyn aggro and i tell him to fight in the wide open arena and not in corridoors and where does he go

[hollow ibex]

nothing needs onslaught, ranged or melee lol

[ancient path]

down an alley lol

[austere mica]

Because coherency is mid (also they're stupid)

[narrow frost]

I don't play in coherency cause when I do I get killed by my teammates

[spark helm]

That's the only reason why rending is in there but it doesn't seem to matter from brief testing.

[narrow frost]

but to each their own

coherency is often a trap

agro dumping is real and gets the team killed

[spark helm]

I like the idea though for the minor support stuff and I don't have an issue with leaning into it.

[hybrid plover]

coherency granting you a benefit you can just get by playing the game these days

seriously, every class has a means of garnering good toughness regen easily now

[narrow frost]

ever since patch 13

the core game mechanics were just ignored

coherency mostly

[spark helm]

The idea here is to just have a few vet builds that are focusing on melee being the real star for the majority of its weapons, another build for maybe more specialized variations of the same sort of setup and then another one that evens itself out slightly on ranged while also taking maybe one or extra two support utility oriented talents.

So basically field improvisation and/or uh the one right smack in the middle.

Or the middle in the bottom tree and idk charismatic leader or something.

[mortal aspen]

the "melee" build juices ranged pretty good

[spark helm]

Yeah exactly

I might just have one that gives it a little more yk?

[mortal aspen]

does Vet basically have "the build" now, like Zealot used to?

[spark helm]

Maybe for a revolver variant.

[narrow frost]

The build TM

[hybrid plover]

well, hopefully this is not the final revision of vet's tree

[serene bough]

you can create some exe focused builds

[serene bough]

id say dipping VoC then right tree is meta for havoc but i can see some left tree helbore type builds also being viable

[hybrid plover]

feels like most of that attention went to zealot and psyker (for some fucking reason)

[narrow frost]

waiter waiter

more psyker buffs

the 7th gaze buff in a row

thank you

[austere mica]

Next update is golden toughness for gaze

[hybrid plover]

I LOVE HAVING A NEAR PERMANENT 25% DAMAGE REDUCTION

WOOOOOOOO

[austere mica]

scaling with stacks of course

[narrow frost]

I tripped

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/limmy-double-down-gods-judgement-falconhoof-limmys-show-gif-21967942

Duck and dive

Fuck I'm enjoying this

Two stamina curios and one stam regen with this setup ain't bad at all. Smooth aggression transition with a selfish cushion for emergency blocking/push attacks as necessary. Typically not needed.

Can easily not use duck and dive but all this plus that feels really nice.

Yeah that's my setup for now.

Thanks for the skirmisher mention unironically.

This literally plays into everything I'm already doing.

Movement speed aura isn't necessary but a nice little spritz because I already have sprint efficiency for the "movement" +3 stamina curio.

[mortal aspen]

sanic build

[spark helm]

Dude bless the fuck up I'm actually having fun with this. I'm enjoying bootlegging a zealot with a slide aoe as part of their play

PLEASE GIVE INFILTRATE MORE SAUCE

I'll be unleashed.

Fully free.

Not a soldier. Not even a veteran. A human.

Peak human, even.

Dude That Exists™

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-that-movement-all-that-movement-gif-15637861280429599374

See the reason for wanting infiltrate is so I can be a Cloaker in 40k

...I guess that's where zealot comes in to play tbh

Screaming jackass that's supposed to be stealthy that kicks everyone's ass if they get the hands on em.

Dies immediately to getting shot in the face properly.

And before anyone brings it up, sometimes I think people hold themselves back by taking holy revenant.

[slow spade]

to be fair, Zealot can do that but also facetank crusher overheads

[tall torrent]

Can’t 1 tap crusher anymore
No stagger vs rager groups
Subpar unyielding damage
Yea they’re not in a great spot

[slow spade]

really? damn those were funny :c

I hear the Ogryn one is still pretty decent at least

[tall torrent]

Meh tbh

I kinda like how crushers are rn but carapace damage for weapons need to get looked at

[spark helm]

"Properly"

[tall torrent]

The discrepancy is just ridiculous

[spark helm]

I also just don't take that zealot talent sometimes.

[slow spade]

to be fair, they only hit my brain so it wasn't a critical hit UwU'

[spark helm]

I have more fun when I know i can die at any moment in-game.

[spark helm]

Lobe is in my pocket. Scooped it out myself

Checkmate

[hybrid plover]

carapace has become too much of a balance check for this game imho

[spark helm]

Wasn't that always the case kinda?

[hybrid plover]

not nearly to the extent that it is now

[spark helm]

Just checkmarking better ttks across the board?

[tall torrent]

It’s just weapons being very unbalanced

[spark helm]

Oh wait you're talking about nutty havoc shit too huh

[tall torrent]

Like, I can give u a rly good example

[hybrid plover]

that's what i mean

[tall torrent]

Most anti-carapace melee weapons rn do 2-3k dps vs crusher

And this is considered “avg”

On the higher end u have knife with like 3.1k ish

[hybrid plover]

carapace being the balance check in a game where there are several weapons that just don't do anything to carapace was going to result in serious issues regarding weapon variety

[tall torrent]

On the lower end u get ~2.1k

But it’s not that far off between them

With stagger factored in, it’s generally balanced across them

And then power sword over here does 6.3k without crit

The discrepancy is just ridiculous

[hybrid plover]

you haven't even talked about the weapons that aren't anti-carapace

dclaw is just

i cri evriteim

[tall torrent]

There’re 3 loose brackets of carapace dps

Top
Avg
Don’t bother

Power sword is so ridiculously above avg it’s crazy

if u take power sword out of the comparisons then most anti-carapace weapons are fairly balanced against each other

and then power sword drops 2~3x their carapace dps

[calm shard]

darktide youtubers will try to tell you dueling sword is better than this weapon

[calm shard]

Also yeah it's definitely nice that they're spongy again

[hybrid plover]

erm, because it is? 🤓

[stuck gorge]

darktide youtubers will say anything

dont trust slop

[hybrid plover]

erm, why even feel the need to horde clear when u can just thrust from far enough that u never have to engage with it? 🤓

erm, that's why you have your inferno psyker? 🤓

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/explode-you-explode-fisk4-fuck-you-explode-you-with-mind-gif-25214416

[stuck gorge]

Traitor psyker that just brain bursts you when

[hybrid plover]

i mean a psyker that headpops a poxburster right next to u is close enough

[stuck gorge]

Every time I’m playing psyker my teammates love to go hug bursters

[hybrid plover]

well yes, they're probably trying to push the bursters

[stuck gorge]

yea but like, they have the sudden urge to go where I am actively blowing everything up from across the room to go crowd surfing through the horde to push it

rather than letting me blow it up 5 miles away from them

[tall torrent]

I can also ruin power sword for u real quick

do heavy2 attack

and watch ur character's arm not exist

100% of veteran cosmetics have this problem

some just show it much earlier

[stable socket]

what's heavy? i only know push and light

[storm pine]

Is there any reason why there are so many Laspistol builds right now and they dump Stability instead of Mobility?

[stuck gorge]

People who use their ranged weapon for speed?

Since they most likely are using a slower melee

[tall torrent]

stability doesn't rly matter for laspistol

[storm pine]

I've seen ones with Knife, Shoval, Chainsword and Power Sword and they all insist that the Laspistol is good enough to take out non-Carapace easily

I was wondering if the weapon was buffed recently

[hybrid plover]

bcuz its true

not that the laspistol got buffed, but that vet itself got buffed in a way that also makes laspistol much more viable

[storm pine]

I really like the Laspistol's feel and aesthetic so I wanted to get my build right

[storm pine]

elaborate?

[hybrid plover]

usually, you use dumdum and infernus

right side giga buffs that combo

since it gives a good chunk of base damage that affects even your burn dots

[stable socket]

reciprocity at max stacks is 50% crit rate (10 base, 15 from heavy laspistol, 25 from reciprocity), with shock trooper that means every other shot is a crit and costs no ammo

or something along those lines, i forget the actual numbers

[hybrid plover]

hell you don't even need shock troop to utilize laspistol

it is very nice to have it

[spark helm]

It's accurate enough to not fully warrant it ans can actually be better for close and mid range engagements depending on what's going on in the mkment. That extra sprint speed can be preferred.

Exestance already tightens the aim of everytbing so whatever is worthy of being highlighted and vulnerable to the precision the weapon has that it's not too bad.

I prefer stability since I just like everything about a gun's standard quality of life to be set from the beginning and mobility being 80% has more niche uses.

[hybrid plover]

but not the end of the world if you dont

[stable socket]

yeah as long as you're in an ammo-rich environment it's fine

i just did a h40 with a plasma vet in the team where i ran laspistol and let him hoover up all the ammo

[stuck gorge]

Survivalist makes every environment ammo rich

[stable socket]

it still worked

and laspistol has good sustained dps into unyielding - nowhere near as much burst as bolter but it's still very respectable thanks to crits and infernus especially if you can hit weakpoints

it's just a strong weapon that also happens to be very easy to use - instant swap, ammo efficient, solid dps into bosses/specials/gunners, which are the things you want to kill with ranged (unless you're running a boss killer melee, i guess)

the 3 major downsides are 1) weakness vs carapace 2) weapon requires one click per shot unless you have the FullAuto mod, which I highly recommend 3) low to no cleave so you can't shoot through 30 dudes to kill a special

[calm shard]

I...don't use it

[spark helm]

What's the mod ppl got for more loadouts again? Forgot but I finally need it lol

Veteran got too much sauce for me to just delete and swap things around from other templates I make use of.

[hollow ibex]

mkx should have 3 cleave

so stupid that it has the same cleave as the mk2 lol

[calm shard]

yeah its always been like that

Laspistol has historically been a very strong ranged weapon

[hollow ibex]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/578?tab=description

[calm shard]

A lot of people don't like it because you actually have to hit headshots or get crits for it to do damage

Its base damage on bodyshot is pathetic

[stable socket]

yeah it's all about the finesse modifier!

[mortal aspen]

I don't like it because it's unsatisfying to use

[spark helm]

Appreciated.

Making some final tweaks for a test run of that silly build idea i had. Anyone got some recommendations for the dbs? I'm keeping it simple with flakiac and flechette and man-stopper. idea is to stay in the pit for aa long as reasonably possible.

[mortal aspen]

weapon specialist and autoloader node

that's it really

use "the build"

[spark helm]

Mostly focused on the blessing arrangement. Figuring that part out.

[spark helm]

And no. I already understand why people like that one. This is about the build I was talking about maybe an hour or so ago.

this is where I'm at right now with the shenanigans.

Hard melee focus here at face value with pushing mobility as another vehicle for utility. This version is only really tweaked to accomodate minor quality of life for the dbs with ws loading it for me.

[hybrid plover]

regarding this earlier

you can trade trench fighter for field improv on tac axe cuz honestly

it's barely noticeable on that particular weapon

and you have weapon specialist already

[storm pine]

"the build"?

[hybrid plover]

#veteran-class message

last three nodes are up to preference based on what you're running but yeah

vet now has the same problem zealot had

[torn moat]

What's the best Scoreboard mod?

[stuck gorge]

probably powerDI (i think thats what its called)

[torn moat]

Is that on Nexus?

[stuck gorge]

should be

[faint beacon]

Alright here's a PSA to Vigil Users

seeing the stagger changes to all rifles were pretty significant

even with Falter + NR or just Falter in general

it takes multiple bursts to even stagger an enemy

these are dead in the water blessings and stick to Surgical + Deadly Accurate

[hollow ibex]

falter fucked?

[hollow ibex]

ovenproofs

though you also need to download the fix

power DI is more of an after action report than a true scoreboard

[tall torrent]

yea no point

[calm shard]

which makes it better because you aren't constantly feeling the urge to check it mid mission

[hollow ibex]

nah i like to check who's the ass hogging all the ammo or just double dipped the med station when i was on one wound

[sharp epoch]

lfg on this discord is so bad

[spark helm]

Less experienced pubs?

[spark helm]

On another note: new boltgun? I like it too much for the goofiest reasons.

I can't put it down.

[meager echo]

easiest win of my life, fat shark bless me with cranial corruption

[spark helm]

I can always do better, I get that. Love the bastard anyway.

[hybrid plover]

The explosions are more useful than people are giving them credit for

[spark helm]

They're genuinely way better than I think some are willing to appreciate. It's weird thing I imagine to use ranged weapons for anything but their killing potential and honestly, the new mark has a passable ttk on the targets it wants to mess with. Couple that with ye olde ws for example and it's a very reliable tool for squeezing in those pockets of breathing room in tighter situations and I really can't not acknowledge that.

[hybrid plover]

very good choice with smokes for that particular reason

[spark helm]

I'm sure it has its clear limits but I'm pushing them as far as I can.

[spark helm]

I haven't tried that yet. Got my silly template I've been working with so I'll see how I feel about taking it.

[meager echo]

[spark helm]

I'm usually doubling down on aoe with juiced up shredders when I want puncture to be on the menu but with the current talents I'm running I'm satisfied with the amount of bleeding I can whip out. Kraks are easy of course but I always got time for smokes.

[stuck gorge]

doors are lethal

😨

[spark helm]

Mortis trials with that thing and death dealer's indulgence choices is actually nuts. That goes for anything dumber than it but it's sincerely worth noting even in that party game of a mode.

Having an excuse to go apeshit whenever I want? Sure fuck it we ball.

Meaty bolt explosions only.

[meager echo]

This is why i love pubs. Goofy ass moment

[spark helm]

Sensational.

[torn moat]

Any fun braced auto-gun builds going around now?

[void dragon]

Gravity, the ultimate boss

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e12d775-939b-4268-985f-57c11a884caa/brrrrrrt

you can also take FT instead of WS

but it'll weaken your melee ofc

[tame lodge]

"woah dude, is that black face"

Bro's head is a void

[paper salmon]

gotta knock out this inflitrate Penance. Any good infiltrate builds that will help me not wanna eat my Bolter

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/stealth-bomber

[stuck gorge]

this maelstrom cycled so many teammates lmao

[spark helm]

Infiltrate build spotted

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-borsalino-admiral-marines-shades-gif-10682292755083267442

[hollow ibex]

infil is still fun

even if power creeped

[spark helm]

Which is why you should fulfill the agenda.

The infiltrate reinstatement agenda.

Not to be confused with the Shroudfield Renewal agenda.

Different ends, similar means.

[paper salmon]

Infiltrate should have like Squad benefits to set apart from Shroud. Like imagine if it apploed all of it's bonuses (or atleast some) within coherency

[hollow ibex]

it does in mortis trials

[paper salmon]

I stand by my stance that like 60% of mortis trials things should be talents

[meager echo]

i love you have healing in dt

[spark helm]

Who's to say that indulgences aren't test beds for potential changes in the future?

Wouldn't be the first time that kind of thing happens within a game like this.

[meager echo]

i find the grenade healing is very fun.

[spark helm]

Is there even a thing for that in 40k?

Bardin had low thp regen from his smoke bomb invis which is moreorless how vet's works now.

Just without the extra smoke effect from vt2

[grim hedge]

Welp, as proof of "meta can't save bad fundamentals", just lost an auric mission with a veteran who had 1400+ levels on veteran running around with a dueling sword and plasma and shout, but was constantly on the floor

[hollow ibex]

dsword with plasma is a terrible pairing anyway

[dim escarp]

what mods are being used here?

[narrow widget]

circular ui

or whatever it was called

[meager echo]

I don't think the game has to be lore accurate or realistic to be fun.
But the main problem is if it's not in line with the 40k universe fat shark can't add that to the game due to the ip owner of 40k.
I think this really limiting fat shark creativity.
Fat shark probably has plenty cool ideas but can't bring to the game because they don't receive the green light from game workshop.

Imagine if fat shark has full control of DT development, it would be peak...

[willow prairie]

games workshop is consistently inconsistent

[torn moat]

Isn't Collateral the dump stat for Braced Auto?

Since you don't want the enemies ducking?

[meager echo]

i think you dump mobility

it usually doesn't matter for most weapon

[smoky sapphire]

warhammer games are never lore accurate by principle

Malum Caedo and Shas'la Tau Kai's feats would by default make them both the strongest Tau Warrior and the strongest Space Marine

[dusty lava]

hydra dominatus fellow imperium wagies!

[smoky sapphire]

first guy isn't even primaris and kai's doesnt even know what a mech suit is

[calm shard]

brauto actually does want enemies to do that because it's one of the main utility points of the weapon

it has absurdly high suppression regardless

also collateral is replaced with stopping power on the Agripinaa brauto

[meager echo]

we often meme fatshark, but they have it rough dealing with game workshop hahaha.

[spark helm]

Mhm. I was just curious if it was a thing.

[willow prairie]

collab can make you miss on stuff like boltgun

[meager echo]

I didn't mean to hijack your comment, my comments is pretty much unrelated to your...

[spark helm]

I didn't think anything of it no worries.

[charred kraken]

When you use the charge rifle in darktide to snipe an enemy from afar

[rare vale]

What's a good horde-clearing melee for vet
I hear people reccomend heavy sword a lot but it feels like I'm tickling enemies with it

[calm shard]

Heavy sword only has one good variant

Mk IX

the other 2 are bad don't use them

also never use light attacks

sweepy heavies for horde clear

overhead heavy/special for not that

It cannot kill carapace

[rare vale]

I have a mark IX
Still takes a good 3-4 slashes to kill things at 75% damage

[calm shard]

brutal momentum/headtaker?

note that headtaker has a higher damage bonus on heavy sword than it does on other weapons for...some reason

[rare vale]

Don't have it levelled enough to have access to those yet

[rare vale]

Darktide logic

Well, I can drop down to heresy to work on it for a while

Is serrated blade worth it?

[calm shard]

nope

Heavy Sword is going to be one shotting anything it can kill

And doing fuck all to anything it can't

[sharp epoch]

should I accept this guy in party finder

[calm shard]

do it just to interrogate him

[rare vale]

What the fuck

[rare vale]

Is serrated blade worth it on ANYTHING?

Maybe daggers

[calm shard]

power sword

sunder has (almost) infinite cleave

knife with mercy killer if you don't like precog

chainaxe to compensate for bad cleave damage

[rare vale]

God all my power swords are from pre-weapon revamp

[warm schooner]

serrated blade on ps6 is super effective

[gilded wraith]

Does lethal proximity work with the new bolt pistols AoE radius?

[gilded wraith]

Original or newer caxe?

[calm shard]

both

but particularly original

[rare vale]

Gonna be honest
I don't like the plasma gun
I really really want to, but I don't

It's so slow even just tapping it

[austere mica]

Its boring as hell, you're justified

[rare vale]

Like I enjoy using the boltgun and I can't stand how clunky the plasma gun is

[elder storm]

Reject Plasma, embrace Bolt Pistol

[rare vale]

The way I use my ranged weapon in most cases is like
Snapshotting an annoying ranged enemy every once in a while

And shredding through monstrosities, for the bolt pistol/gun

[elder storm]

Thats why I love em, plus bleed perks

[slow sky]

another day, another mission of being the the psyker as vet

[elder storm]

Dear heavens, numbers

Lots of em

[void dragon]

the Cole doing twice my numbers, then again im just mortal compared to Goat

what were you running for such numbers?

[slow sky]

guess

[void dragon]

Shovel DB?

[slow sky]

naturally

[void dragon]

I am pleased

gave the build you passed me a go, it is soooooooooo god

this is why i say i suck at building, mine didnt did as well as yours

not even remotely

[slow sky]

remember guys
both shovel and double barrel are terrible weapons

they arent havoc viable

[void dragon]

Who needs meta when you can scoop yer poop when fighting Nurgle

[slow sky]

they both suck really bad, keep using plasma ds

[void dragon]

Ds is fine single target weapon and mobility stick but doesnt really perform as well to fight hordes

DB on the other hand its the GOD of horde crushing

[elder storm]

....never

[void dragon]

reject evil toothpick, embrace Dclaw chadness

[woven oak]

I know the power falchion is meh at best, but which mark is the better one?

[willow prairie]

bro hyping up dclaw just so people can be more disappointed

[willow prairie]

aradin

[austere mica]

(Its literally the same weapon but worse now)

[willow prairie]

basically mkx relic blade

[woven oak]

Cool, thank you

Dump mobility, I assume?

[willow prairie]

funnily enough the other mark have same problem with mk2 relic blade

yeah mobility

[austere mica]

I like whichever one has the uppercut

Mostly because it looks better

[willow prairie]

that the moveset is less slightly worse but technically more damage

[elder storm]

I fuck with the saber, it's lovely

[willow prairie]

then you remember that uppercut don't really have hitbox prioritisation

[austere mica]

Its a cutlass

[elder storm]

Falcon saber

Same same

[austere mica]

Ds is a saber

[elder storm]

Rapier

[willow prairie]

it's more like a messer but whatever

[austere mica]

Raipers are double edged and have pointed tips

Also are straight bladed

[willow prairie]

ds is NOT a rapier

what is bro cooking

[austere mica]

Idk

[elder storm]

It pokes

[willow prairie]

you know what poke?

smallsword

[austere mica]

Mk5 is the truest ds

[willow prairie]

also saber can stab

[woven oak]

What blessings?

[elder storm]

That is rapier coded

[willow prairie]

same with relic blade

wrath cranial

[austere mica]

"It stabs, raiper coded" explode now

It follows all design features of a saber

[willow prairie]

if stabbing = rapier then zweihander is a rapier

[austere mica]

And literally has a cavalry saber as a skin

[elder storm]

Long pokes, yeah

[willow prairie]

ok so is billhook a rapier

it can stab

it can slash

[elder storm]

Idk what that is

IM NOW A SWORD GUY

Not*

[austere mica]

Then don't argue too hard over it

[elder storm]

I'm not

I'm just balling

[austere mica]

That's voidstrike

Which isn't even a melee

[willow prairie]

voidSHIT

[austere mica]

Explode now

Its fun

And definitely has the best sounds out of the staves

[hollow ibex]

it does not feel good in current DT tho

[void dragon]

THEY SHALL SHARE MY PAIN

[wicked patrol]

mk3 or mk6 knife

[rare vale]

I wish infernus was better on the helbore

[wicked patrol]

on recon las build

[hybrid plover]

mk6

[tall torrent]

pretty far from infinite
but it's high

[tall torrent]

mk2b actually has good consistency hitting weakspots with uppercut
it's worse for entirely diff reasons

both falchions feel rushed to be pushed out to meet a certain quota and it's pretty visible

[grand perch]

You can achieve crusher oneshot with a mkIV helbore marksman's focus build, and it requires infernus for the last 16 damage to reach one tap

(it's an incredibly cursed build that's not worth it)

[rare vale]

That's so utterly specific

Infernus gives it the edge in this ONE case

Like 99% of targets it either one-shots or the fire might as well not be there

I can kinda, see the argument for infernus on the recon lasgun
But for the helbore it just, doesn't matter
Maybe if it applied way more stacks and in an AOE around the beam, to make it better against hordes

[oak coral]

i wanna stop using recon laser, but dk what to replace it

[spark helm]

you can go with the infantry autogun. You'll have less liberal use of it compared to the recon lasgun, but it's a very strong option if you just want to shoot things fast.

alternatively, you can stick with the recon lasgun and just play with it through other talents and marks.

@oak coral

[oak coral]

sorry playing havoc
i'm using this one, dk about other talents
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a018cf46-6cbd-4f4e-ac83-503b28842aa0/ash-baby

but i try autogun

thanks

[midnight wyvern]

bolta

recon in havoc is questionable

[warm schooner]

I assume the worst when I see recon in havoc

[oak coral]

thats why i wanna change it

[midnight wyvern]

plasma, bolter, hellbore are top choices

autoguns can do work

[oak coral]

i'm trying using these, but i need more speed

rpm*

[grand perch]

Recon is a great gun for havoc

[warm schooner]

there's nothing wrong with the gun

it's the kind of player that usually brings it

[oak coral]

it's just meta gun, everyone bring it usually

i think it's meta

[slow sky]

recon is pretty good for havoc, extremely ammo efficient, throws dots everywhere, and can punch into anything with onslaught

it just has taken a backseat what with the vet rework really juicing up other weapons that people just want to use more

if we're ignore the people who cant put down their plasma that is

[ivory trail]

Don't like bolter now. The pull up time is too long

[meager echo]

i wish more people play this mode

non stop boss spawning haha

[dapper coyote]

I think the best way to max out weapon mastery while being broke is sefoni's trial

[ivory trail]

Also, current bolter can't spam LMB to burst fire is messing with my muscle memory.

[dapper coyote]

You'll need the switch gun speed perk

[slow sky]

neither the draw speed nor the lmb of bolter changed

[meager echo]

but the ai director is very inconsistent.
Some games nothing happen

[slow sky]

thats probably the slowest, cuz youre given progress based on the difficulty of the mission

thats the only factor

[dapper coyote]

True

[distant mural]

Theres talents for that you know?

Idk how people dont take weapons switch speed on vet.

[dapper pier]

Whats the dc mark for lights?

[distant mural]

Dc mark for light?

[dapper pier]

Devils claw mark for light attacks
Currently paired with a plasma and im trying to make what i have work leveling the class up

[distant mural]

Ah no clue

Still hate that weapon.

[dapper pier]

…?

[distant mural]

I do not like ze devils claw

It feels underwhelming af

[grand perch]

Because it is

[dim escarp]

the vrak mk3 is so good for veteran

very ammo efficient

[dapper pier]

Dc does feel like a light machete if anything

But is what i got rn

[tall torrent]

None of the 3 DC sword variants are good at light attacks

[dapper pier]

Have. 7 more levels of mastery to go or id be harassing the armory for something else

Eugh i figured. Seems like it benefits most from charged or parry.
Never cared to use it on zeal either

Even charged isnt great…

[meager echo]

finally

[tall torrent]

50 Mortis wins is actually exhausting lol

[meager echo]

It is man hahaha

[grand perch]

And yet more penances will lead you back there to hear voicelines

[meager echo]

thanks god I collected all of those

mortis trials are fun but no one play it so most of my matches are just 1 or 2 man the whole game...

[toxic reef]

staying around and waiting for stuff to spawn just isn't as fun as advancing through lots of varied maps

like they had 2 maps for the longest time, now there's 3

but you can't pick and you just grow tired of them after a while

I've only gone back to complete penances

having just 3 indulgences to pick from out of 7 just makes it kinda boring if you went in with a build in mind

there's no rerolls, skips, or other ways to manipulate what you get after each wave

which frankly makes it kinda mid in terms of roguelikes

[meager echo]

I really hate the first few waves.
Some games it's really fun, they spawn wave and waves of bosses.
Some gaems it's just standing around do nothing.
I wish director ai is more consistent.

[toxic reef]

auric def made it better than it was at launch

damnation was too easy

the plasma gunner spam was p bad at the recent update as well, I haven't gone back to see how it is now

[meager echo]

It's not that bad, but not great either.

[toxic reef]

hunting around for stragglers is def the most boring part

[meager echo]

yeah... That's really tedious

[midnight wyvern]

way better

[meager echo]

I really hate doing objective in that mode.

[toxic reef]

they should just do a countdown to next wave when there's only random commons left

[meager echo]

since most of my games are just 2 mans ...

[toxic reef]

I've never really had problems finding full games, but I've also only played when they were new or had updates

[meager echo]

btw they fixed the dc problem.

[toxic reef]

they also love spamming bosses on the objective waves

[meager echo]

after patch i rarely have dc. Which is great.

[toxic reef]

having to kite around 4 of them trying to hack a terminal grinds progression down to a halt

yeah I might get back in to it every now and then, I've never done a dedicated brain burst build there

[lyric path]

ello

[mental parcel]

had one of the fastest team wipes on a auric IIIVEG

we survived a total of 30 seconds before all getting thrown off the edge

[willow prairie]

that just gloriana

[covert fable]

Had a vet immedietly die 2 secs after jumping down at the first part on gloriana

I think he slipped then got shot by likr 3000 plasma gunners and one shotted

Nvm he was corrupted

[mental parcel]

i had a bot die at the very start by tripping over

[red portal]

warframe discussion in the backround?

[covert fable]

Yes, my friends are trying to get me to sell my soul to that game

[mental parcel]

do it, it's not that bad I promise 😄

[meager echo]

Isn't warframe just aoe farm the whole room...
Last time I played it, everyone spam glaive prime or whatever aoe available, camping in a corner the whole run...

I quit right after duviri update.

[covert fable]

Yeah theres no skill in the gameplay i watched

Maybe ill watch some again

[meager echo]

There are skilled players. Shield gate and stuff, but most lobbies are just aoe spam.

[covert fable]

Ah

[meager echo]

Its a good game, i have like 700hours

[covert fable]

It reminds me of borderlands kind of

Because you end up oneshotting everything in that game too

But borderlands goated

[meager echo]

Its a power fantasy game.

I remember playing a character that has perma invis

She throw a ball that agro enemies and reflect their bullet.

The balls scale infinitely

[covert fable]

Breh

[mental parcel]

it's not just a hord shooter, it's a looter shooter game

get loot, make stuff, get more loot and make more stuff

go through the 5 stages of grief when you dont get stuff you need

[midnight wyvern]

depends who you play with yea

and what content

Eidolons are fun to get into if you want something to have to put brainpower into to get better at

[meager echo]

I quit half way farming the gun for my operator.

[midnight wyvern]

or profit taker but less so

[meager echo]

Its too much

[midnight wyvern]

tiktok brain

[mental parcel]

you havnt scratched the surface if you found farming for operator weapons too much

[midnight wyvern]

when I was actually into the game the only thing I disliked having to do was the old farming for necramechs

shit was ass

[meager echo]

Yeah. I didnt even farm for stuffs in the first place.

I top up plat then buy items

[mental parcel]

yeah but now it's too easy

walk in there, slap the mech and it dies

[calm shard]

not just ass

but MANDATORY FOR STORY PROGRESSION

[meager echo]

New war mission

[calm shard]

legit didn't bother

I just farmed primes, sold them for plat, and bought it

[meager echo]

I did it twice

Once on my account

And another one for my cousin

[calm shard]

At least Railjack was/is cool

[meager echo]

That game is pretty good. Most frames are very fun to play with. But there are no adversaries to overcome.

Steelpath is a joke.

Eidolon lock behind tedious grind.

[calm shard]

Eidolon's locked behind a tedious grind that requires you to do eidolons to progress

Genius decision

[mental parcel]

the most annoying thing about the game isnt the grind but the doors not opening fast enough while playing gauss

perfect straight run stopped by a random box

[calm shard]

I don't have this problem because I set myself to host every match

If I'm even playing MP at all

[meager echo]

I remember why i quit now.
I was so hyped for duviri update.
Then the update dropped, it's a story mission that i have to play as the operator. They make warframe the beta test for soulframe

[mental parcel]

duviri sucks imo

[meager echo]

That update came with the game mode that you farm incarnon weapons. I don't remember the name.

[mental parcel]

zariman

that ship looks like a fish and i cant unsee it

[meager echo]

No not that one.

Before we only have laetum and ferlax incarnon

[mental parcel]

zariman have incarnon weapons

the circuit?

[meager echo]

Yeah

That one

I cant use my op frame in that mode

So i dont play

[mental parcel]

well you can, just need to wait until that frame goes into rotation

[meager echo]

To be fair, i got burn out from playing too much.

700hours for a f2p game is more than good enough.

[mental parcel]

yeah

but 1000+

[grand perch]

ah yes, warframe, that game that had bored me to tears for an hour before uninstalling it forever

[cedar spoke]

You cry when you're bored? uh

[mental parcel]

needs that constant content

[midnight wyvern]

[grand perch]

its a standard expression, look it up

[cedar spoke]

I know it is. Actually I just understood why just now

[midnight wyvern]

I mean they just give you one for story now

dont need it otherwise lol

[mental parcel]

need it for mastery and for intimidation

enemy ship gets boarded by a tenno and then the tenno brings a mech

[midnight wyvern]

good for PT too

friendly ship gets boarded and you retaliate by hitting them with artillery

still depressing that necramechs can't outdamage frames but

but yea, I enjoy Warframe, I think its shit to get into but it feels good when you're past that lol

waiting for mushroom frame and new update, haven't checked if mushroom frame is already here

it is not

[mental parcel]

tomorrow it should be coming out but probably middle of the night for me

[mental parcel]

yep

[torn night]

🫃

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/cheering-minions-despicable-me-cheer-gif-4968109

[trim badger]

My 10000 hours in TF2:

"I need MORE"

[grand perch]

back in my day tf2 wasnt f2p and there was no cosmetics nonsense