veteran-class

[fair shale]

Thats actually surprisingly easy to keep up

[tough nova]

It's the same issue as old marksmans

[turbid ibex]

Its not

[fair shale]

Im a former AAL purist tho

And they melted it down to put into Exe

[turbid ibex]

Killzone's condition is that you dont get hit by a melee attack for 8 seconds

[fair shale]

If you kill enemies, they do not hit you

[faint beacon]

Here’s a hot take

[fair shale]

Is simple, yes?

[turbid ibex]

Or if you dodge

[hybrid plover]

Combat knife doin numbahs

[turbid ibex]

Or stagger before they hit

[fair shale]

Yeah lol, there's any number of solutions

[hybrid plover]

Combat axe

Tac axe

Vet has some genuine options now

[fair shale]

I think this is one of my biggest issues rn

[narrow widget]

we finally have melee

[fair shale]

I do not really have fun using plasma but I feel obligated to use plasma

[turbid ibex]

8 seconds is prob a bit too long but its not really like old mmf

[tall torrent]

I want power sword nerfed

[fair shale]

Ik HB is good but it is like, my least favorite ranged weapon to use

[tough nova]

It's bad and situational

[fair shale]

Do you remember what happened last time?

[faint beacon]

Rework Shocktrooper into some different name, and make it have a cooldown of 5s+ on Crit to not consume ammo

[tall torrent]

Just nerf sunder

lol

[faint beacon]

So it nerfs Shocktrooper

[fair shale]

Nah do it again, was funny.

[faint beacon]

But buffs other choices

[tall torrent]

Sunder power sword mogs every other melee atm it’s kind of ridiculous

I think sunder needs to be tuned down

[tough nova]

This is cute! Some number tweaking it might be tricky to balance all weapons with it

[narrow widget]

recon las mains screaming and crying

[faint beacon]

It’s needed you know it

Lmao

Besides the Crit string probably wouldn’t consume ammo

[tough nova]

That node is too strong when it works. And useless when it doesnt.

[tall torrent]

Very good

[fair shale]

There's no dt player i trust less than a recon vet tbh

[narrow widget]

counterpoint it makes a funny noise

[tall torrent]

Recon spam vet vs smite spam psyker

[fair shale]

Fwiw to you it's my favorite lasgun cause D-99 are my favorite regiment

[narrow widget]

true...

[turbid ibex]

Eh idk i think its fine to have like 1 node that incentivizes specific weapons as long as the other options for when youre not using those specific weapons are still good

[fair shale]

The smite spam psyker hypothetically dies slower when they get swarmed by melee

[turbid ibex]

And rn the other options are not very good

[faint beacon]

Exactly, hence I think a change like this could make more cautious sniping builds that use crits a lot more ammo efficient regardless of weapon choice

[fair shale]

But yeah we're splitting hairs

[faint beacon]

Instead of being locked to las weapons

[fair shale]

Im ngl

I would actually be okay if las was incentivized more on vets

Lasguns are synonymous with The Guard

Idk how you do that in a healthy way

[turbid ibex]

you buff the ilas

done

[narrow widget]

I want bistol buffs

[fair shale]

Id be aight with that too tbh

ILas is the lasgun

Bolt Pistols are common enough

[turbid ibex]

and rn its mid af

[fair shale]

I'm aware lol

[tall torrent]

1 trillion buffs to psyker

[fair shale]

One day psyker is gonna get hit with a crazy nerf tbh

[tough nova]

ILAS is dogshit

Has no relevant niche or use case over other weapons. Unless you're a masochist.

[faint beacon]

ILAS is also incredibly outdated

Wasn’t touched this update

[tough nova]

Dunno where they put it in the context of the game that doesnt overlap with laspistol or recon

[faint beacon]

Vigils did and now they’re arguably one of veterans best neutral pick in havoc

[turbid ibex]

the context was day 1

[faint beacon]

It’s supposed to be a laser equivalent to the Vigils

[turbid ibex]

the mk9 ilas actually used to be the best ranged weapon for vet in the start

[tough nova]

And Betty white used to be alive.

[turbid ibex]

but rn theyre just powercrept and outdated as hell

[dapper coyote]

Buff mah Reccy Lasguns

[fair shale]

Im ngl idk if I agree with that

It was the most popular for sure

[dapper coyote]

Buff mah helbore bayonets

[fair shale]

But I think the perception of best comes from the perception that vets job was the kill shooters from the community en masse

[dapper coyote]

So i can kill karnak twins with them

[fair shale]

And ILas was simply very good at killing shooters

Mk1 IAG felt better than it back then tho imo

[turbid ibex]

either way it was at least one of the best picks at the time

[tough nova]

Og columnus stans raise up

[fair shale]

It was defo more common than it is now

Ill say that lol

[serene bough]

Historically ranged threats were much more terrifying

And many weapons weren't as strong as they are now

[fair shale]

Yeah but the whole "vet has to kill shooters" bit was always inherently flawed logic imo

Everyone has to

[serene bough]

Yeah its pretty outdated, but the game was new and people weren't as competent yet

I dont hear much of that talk anymore these days

[fair shale]

No, thank god

[hybrid plover]

You really don't have to use plasma tbh

[fair shale]

Have to? No. Does using plasma maximize results while minimizing effort by a very considerable margin? Yes.

[tough nova]

That still feels real similar to las pistols. Maybe if there was one mark that was low mag high damage and cleave or something.

[narrow widget]

the helbore effect

[fair shale]

HB is legit my least favorite ranged weapon to use

I don't like how it feels to shoot, don't like the irons, and I really don't like the association to Krieg.

[tough nova]

Mind boggling they took the time to improve iron sights instead of just attaching ilas sights.

Telopots said the game is perpetually in development hell one time and that has stuck with me.

[fair shale]

Yeah well

This game isnt call of duty

[tough nova]

I know games workshop fucks stuff up sometimes but jeez.

[faint beacon]

Bro I’m going to kill my self Everytime I see this argument

[fair shale]

So you cant put the EOTech Holosight on every gun or something

[orchid hemlock]

Mod

[faint beacon]

How hard is it to add a shitty sight

[orchid hemlock]

Yes 😈

[turbid ibex]

ilas sights would heavily clash with the visual style the helbores are going for tbh

[fair shale]

I've been around long enough to remember seeing Hedge say that and also see people pull the original advertisements where the game did infact have CoD customization

[tough nova]

The onus is on the developer not the consumer to improve the product.

[orchid hemlock]

Just see better

Open your eyes

Turn on your monitor

Duh

[hybrid plover]

Doesn't mean that's an obligation. Hell I personally don't even like plasma in havoc cuz it's a big ammo hog.

[orchid hemlock]

Sure I agree but I honestly wish for more important things to have this level of accountability 💀

[fair shale]

I didnt say it was, I said I feel obligated to.

[hybrid plover]

Then stop feeling obligated.

Use what you want.

[fair shale]

And use what exactly?

[dapper coyote]

I do agree with HB irons are awful, look in other games, even milsims, i can hit shots except for a few guns.

With HB's irons? It took me 30 secs to acquire + zero in and hit a target from long range

[tough nova]

You and me both brother. The industry needs to crash.

[orchid hemlock]

"hey this food you are about to put in your stomach has insane levels of cholesterol and preservatives"

Wow this isn't right, we should have better standards

99% of the US: "SHUT UP VEGAN"

[atomic void]

the ironsights are bad

simple as

mfw 40k into the future and we cant afford decent sights

crazy

[hybrid plover]

Literally the only thing that doesn't feel very good in vets hands for ranged is ilas

[fair shale]

I unironically like iron sights in most games, prefer using them, play a lot of WW2 and Cold War stuff. The HB has some particularly dogshit irons tbh.

[dapper coyote]

Agree

The same level as M60 and Mac 10s irons

[tough nova]

Throw the m1 garand sights on there and you have a cosmetic purchase from me.

[fair shale]

Yeah, that'd be an easy sell

[foggy rune]

Just look at the target tbh the Emproer will take care of the rest

[atomic void]

ignore all game design choices and james workshop and all that shit
we're playing a sci fi game

play necromunda and see the crazy shit u can add on top of your guns

[orchid hemlock]

What crash, gaming?

God I wish 🙏

[atomic void]

but noooo

[fair shale]

I always think about Hired Gun guns when I look at the ones in this game tbh

[dapper coyote]

Usually i can counter snipers before they can shoot me with Ilas or Reccy but with HB? Nah im staying down

Hell, i use Autoguns with the worse recoils and i still able to murk them well

[tough nova]

Yes. Too many finance bros directing developers with the only goal being driving value for shareholders.

[dapper coyote]

MONEY MONEY MONEY

[fair shale]

The only thing that I would say feels as good as plasma in terms of kill power is the bolter

Which has even worse ammo econ for havoc

[atomic void]

speaking about that game kinda crazy how darktide's doge is 20 times better

[turbid ibex]

doge

[fair shale]

Hired Gun is made by Streum On tbf

I'm not sure theyve ever made a dog ai before

[void dragon]

Arby dogo is indeed superior mastiff

[void dragon]

Come on, it can't be to hard to land a body shot on them...is it?

[dapper coyote]

It's t h a t bad

Lower half has your gun, and the only leading points is three iron "spikes" clustered together

I'd rather use a M60 irons than this

[faint beacon]

I yearn for this day

Will it happen? Probably not

[dapper coyote]

For comparison this is the m60

[void dragon]

This is why I mark my enemies most of the time, sure if I miss someone else can track it and shoot, but being able to see the full body while ADS is big for me

[dapper coyote]

The three irons is still make it harder/slower for me to put the targets in sight

Even with marked outlines, (which is hella dope ngl)

[fair shale]

Id kill for the IAGs just to have AK irons or something

[faint beacon]

But it low-key pisses me off when people think it’s political driven instead of finance bros fucking tanking game value

[heavy rover]

Finance bros ruining something is a tale as old as time

[dapper coyote]

There's always gonna be those smegheads thinking like that

[faint beacon]

We love these fuck ass sights that actually work

[dapper coyote]

ITS THE LEFT, ITS THE RIGHT

JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[faint beacon]

You can make weird/wonky sights look good and function well it’s just a fine line to walk

[tough nova]

And if you can't walk the line don't make them wonky!

Hire me FS

[dapper coyote]

I'd kill anybody for hadron if i can change my HB irons

[faint beacon]

Usually have to balance it out by either making the guns recoil pattern feel smooth

Or make said gun hit like a fucking cannon

[dapper coyote]

Especially for "bulldog" iron sights

Which is similar or same to M1 Garands, M16s and so on

[plain osprey]

Mmmmm. Should i play a new HRE campaign in midieval total war II today or should i start my veterans weeklys 🤔🤔🤔

The difficult questions

[dapper coyote]

Speed run scotland's defeat

and then play as milan, declare war on the world

Then come back to play with 4 ogryn/arbites stack

[plain osprey]

Ive never played as scotland
So far ive played Sicilia, Hungary, denmark, spain, England and the moors....

I am not the biggest fan of pikes

The mechanic is broken

So no scotland

[plain osprey]

I actually had an auric maelstrom today with 3 psykers (me being one) and one vet and none of us died

It was a miracle

We were also all staffkers and we overfed our vet on nades and ammo. He could have all to himself

[dapper coyote]

Great, 3 cursed hobo and 1 disgraced soldier somehow killing thousands of heretics will never cease to be funny

The implications is always funny

[plain osprey]

Especially since the hobos are so frail they would die to viscious mockery... And yet none of us did

[dapper coyote]

4 knife wielding religious hobos going ham in some back water of atoma prime, killing a battalion's worth of enemies

And all cpt wolfer can do is mald at the wall

[torn night]

🫃

[plain osprey]

I dont think ive ever had a run will all zealots go well....

Its like trying to herd four very independent murderous cats

[orchid hemlock]

I mean that's every industry but sure 👏

[sharp epoch]

everytime I have a zealot in my havoc party I just sigh

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-say-the-line-gif-22118591

[hybrid plover]

I feel this way about arbitrator tbh

I have never had a havoc run with an arbitrator go well.

Not even hyperbole. Straight up just has not happened.

[sudden cedar]

Do they all run Castigator by chance?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

Except one that ran nuncio but he also overextended for no reason and caused a boss spawn at a bad time.

[sudden cedar]

I would shove that one on inexperience in Havoc

The rest is just Castigator Mentality

[hybrid plover]

True Survivor

[sudden cedar]

Ouch.

I take it back.

[hybrid plover]

Yeah it's just a running theme at this point, which is probably why I don't see a lot of arbitrators in havoc anymore

At least in my server

Really though.

They just need to do something about Castigator's.

It is so mind-bogglingly broken that it actually makes players forget that they have to, play the game.

[hearty spoke]

apologies if this has been asked before, but is the recon lasgun viable in auric and havoc? If so what blessings would be recommended?

[distant plaza]

the lack of being able to sprint during the ability's duration has me thinking of it as a bit of a joke
still being able to dodge is nice, but no sprinting? lol no

[hybrid plover]

It's extremely powerful and yet not at the same time.

It's on demand Until Death

Which is nice.

But it provides virtually no utility.

[tough nova]

Auric for sure havoc is more dependent on your build and that of your team.

[hybrid plover]

Other than getting a really dicey revive off sometimes.

[sharp epoch]

arbs at least have damage and they survive better, everytime I get a zealot they get folded so quickly in contaminated stims or they run stealth hammer build

[hearty spoke]

thanks

[signal garden]

@hearty spoke imo the only hard requirement in havocs (soemone correct me on this) if you dont want to be miserable is that you take all the necessary perks to imrpove your shredder grenade

because shredder grenade can hit an entire room, stagger it, and cause severe bleed, and is essentially a get out of jail free card for that reason

[sharp epoch]

actually all the grenades are pretty useful

[signal garden]

dont give me that

[sharp epoch]

kraks might be better than shredder atm

[tough nova]

Shredder with 3 middle nodes and replen on elite kill will contribute meaningfully to any team comp. Especially if you are running uncanny.

[signal garden]

every common eenmey is a huge problem in havocs so having a way to dispatch an entire room (or most of one) is really unique to the veteran

[warm schooner]

smoke is the best pub enabler grenade in high havoc in my experience

without question

[sharp epoch]

if we have a competent bubble psyker I find I don't need smokes

[warm schooner]

big if

but I don't disagree

[sharp epoch]

they get their cd so fast they can have two bubbles at once

[signal garden]

and if you put a lethal amount of bleed on every shooter in the room you wont need smokes either

[warm schooner]

smokes are not just about shooters

[plain osprey]

Its a cointoss for sure

[warm schooner]

it also affects specials, the captains, the twins, and also messes with melee ai

[hearty spoke]

I usually go with krak, but I can understand the argument for frags now

[sharp epoch]

Yeah twins is a big one, but thats one of the only uses the bubble blocks the rest

[signal garden]

i think it depends

[hybrid plover]

Every zealot I've played with pulls their weight tbh

[signal garden]

so youre going recon, whats your melee and your class ability

[hybrid plover]

Especially the ones ballsy enough to run fury.

[signal garden]

holy information overload batman

[sharp epoch]

they do like 1/3 of someones dmg

[foggy rune]

Random question but what do you guys think makes a teammate a good teammate?

[sharp epoch]

even if theyre book zealot its not helping rather have a class that does damage and provides utility

[warm schooner]

situational awareness

[signal garden]

the ability to shoot 3 specials a minute in any weather

[hearty spoke]

i've using the powersword, shout, and trying out executioners stance

[signal garden]

powersword in my opinion means you DEFNITELY need shredder grenade

[tough nova]

Shredders benefit more from the additional chance to throw a grenade and with uncanny can clear armor as well as chaff. For that reason they are better for general use.

[signal garden]

because theres going to be times when poxwalkers or bruisers or whatever get up to you and mess up your power cycler

so shredder grenade can help you clear when your sword falls off, its still very good for deleting elites, specials, and bosses though

[tough nova]

How quickly they notice others are disabled. Knowing when it's safe to revive in a horde.

[sharp epoch]

shredders dont really hurt bosses that much

[signal garden]

i meant your powersword can hold its own

i misworded, it sounded like i was saying shredder can do everything

[hearty spoke]

appreciate the advice, I'm going to mess around with a frag build tonight and see how it works for me

[signal garden]

it can do most things, but with power sword you can clear chaff while duelling the boss

which the recon gun can also do

[sharp epoch]

I think for this havoc rotation kraks might be better in general because of rotten armor purple or rotten armor stims

[signal garden]

yeah if you get all the grenade perks you can just throw it liberally

actually basically play without shredders

and for every time you get hit just think "i could have thrown a shredder"

this is really pertinent in maps where you have to pop the thingies and you and your team need breathing space, the wave clear is really good

[tough nova]

Shredders are also better for securing revives

[signal garden]

better for most things

"oh no a room full of elites and specials"

open up with 2 tosses, get potentially 4 grenades

suddenly youre proccing a memorial wall of kills in the corner

[tough nova]

Except the arby with castigators and duckbill shotgun cleared the room already XD

[hybrid plover]

What kind of zealots are you playing with

[sharp epoch]

It's always book zealots

[signal garden]

so castigators has downtime and duckbill shotgun uses way more ammo than is reasonable compared to a few shredders

in havocs you will never be out of shredders, this is a fact

and arbys should be clearing the room just fine with their ridiculously strong beatstick or tacax, ill never understand people who use their shotgun for everything, run out of ammo, and are playing the class with the strongest damage ignore/mitigation and some of the strongest melee

[plain osprey]

I love that.

[sharp epoch]

its because arby shotgun stronk and it plays like doom

[signal garden]

damn right we do, its the one way vet stays top damage/killy

[plain osprey]

I love arbites on aurics that steal my fucking ammo because they mistake their shotgun for their melee

[signal garden]

right because that implies thats the one strong thing about arbys amirite

[plain osprey]

That and shit bleeds. Its beautiful.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[signal garden]

also somehow doom invented shooting a shotgun in the first person

[sharp epoch]

yes

[tough nova]

I was moreso alluding to them taking the kills that were already secured and me wasting my nades.

[sharp epoch]

dont you love it when you pop two shredders and the ogryn throws a frag bomb

[signal garden]

well see ogryn can only do that once

[tough nova]

This is what is known as "gaming"

[signal garden]

ill have 2 more shredders to throw in a few seconds, and yes, im picking up more if we're getting overrun, lord knows i need them

[tough nova]

Wait or was it griefing

[plain osprey]

I love throwing frags against walls at angles into rooms i havent even looked in yet.

Always feels like Christmas comming in and seeing the dead/bleeding writhing on the floor

[signal garden]

its not griefing in the sense that its unintentional

most ogryn players are too busy spamming lmb to display any semblance of situational awareness or understanding of the game

because the bully club is busted

[foggy rune]

Any opinions on what grenades I should run if I got plasma gun and mk4 chain axe?

[tough nova]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-hmmm-spd-snl-keenan-wait-a-minute-gif-22246045

[signal garden]

and heavy attacks are trash

[plain osprey]

Smoke for sure....

[signal garden]

thats the truth ogryn players are so good at LARPing

[sharp epoch]

probably shredders cause your hordeclear is abyssmal

[signal garden]

@foggy rune unironically shredder

youre going to get overrun by chaff while you focus things down

[foggy rune]

I was thinking the same

[signal garden]

so you might as well kill all the chaff while you go to town

[sharp epoch]

potato do you play havocs?

[signal garden]

havent in a while

[tough nova]

I tried the chaxe yesterday. Gonna be a no for me dawg.

[signal garden]

i only came back to get my plasma portrait

[sharp epoch]

the new modifiers are kicking everyones butts

[signal garden]

well thats every time in every way

frankly its my opinion that the only way to hit 40 isnt team comp or player skill

its rolling a "reasonable" modifier on a non dogshit map, preferably one in throneside

[sharp epoch]

rotten armor and contaminated stims, one buffs all carapace hp and the other makes some enemies 200% tankier and stagger resistant

[signal garden]

because trying to consistently randomly win with randos is a waste of time

ill never understand FS's insistence on stagger resistance

[sharp epoch]

That's what makes party finder fun its like gambling

[signal garden]

a good 1/3rd of the game mechanics revolve around stagger

all the more reason to throw shredders and run away

[sharp epoch]

yeah one blue stimmed rager is basically unkillable and unstaggerable unless the whole team focuses it down

[signal garden]

i think of space marine 2 and the cancer that is enraging enemies

unfun, one dude with a gun is enough to wipe 3 space marines in 5 seconds

REAL FUN SABER

[sharp epoch]

is that like final toll? 😭

[plain osprey]

Chain axe? Its good but it requires skill

[signal garden]

more like the final straw, as im always hovering the uninstall button when i reboot the game

[hybrid plover]

Ew.

Still stuck in the old meta.

[signal garden]

you cant blame the book, gold TGH is insurance

[hybrid plover]

I can blame the uptime

Which got worse with the update.

[tough nova]

It is bad and it requires skill.

[signal garden]

blame FS for putting it in the game

gold TGH is a blight, an addiction

[plain osprey]

It is objectively not bad

[signal garden]

you feel punished for not using it when it exists

[sharp epoch]

I feel like a fotf zealot still is worse than even a casti arb in terms of damage and survivabillity and stagger

[foggy rune]

Which mk were you using and how?

[sharp epoch]

and stealth zealots are not fun either

[signal garden]

thats because castigators is literal god mode

[hybrid plover]

Because castigator straight up shouldn't be in the game.

[signal garden]

if i were to change FotF i would make it a 4 second ultra speed buff that disappears on first attack

[sharp epoch]

its funny cause castis is just a rework of old executioners stance

that people demanded to be nerfed

[hybrid plover]

It is an ability that is so powerful in its survivability that it kills the brain cells of a lot of people that use it.

[signal garden]

wasnt old EXE stance [literally get ignored since you generate 0 threat]

[hybrid plover]

Hence why I say I never have good experiences with arbitrators

[signal garden]

and you cant blame them

[sharp epoch]

nono it was gain 70% tdr while in exe stance and the extra damage and highlight, but you cant swap to melee or it poofs

[hybrid plover]

A lot of them are literal morons that just push because they can tank so much as they forget how to actually play the game.

[signal garden]

oh i can shove an enemy which is great, except when they go all stagger immune, and then you go casti so you can face tank the BS

[sharp epoch]

A good arby I feel like can use that to frontline for the team and make sure like poxbursters dont get to the whole team at least and keep back the melee elites

bad arbys will yolo 50m away though

[hybrid plover]

Well unfortunately, I rarely ever run into that.

[foggy rune]

I just push people over

[hybrid plover]

Trust me.

I wish I did.

But it just hasn't happened.

[foggy rune]

You don't trust me?

||Also who is me?||

[sharp epoch]

Yeah I feel like I just need an ogryn and psyker, the last can be any class preferably not zealots

or another veteran

[foggy rune]

Why the zealot slander?

[signal garden]

zealot has the X factor

[sharp epoch]

because they do poop damage

they were the ones relying on book before now with book nerfed you dont get the same results

[signal garden]

so the problem in havocs i imagine is they have to stick with the team, youre punished with overextending, zealots are superb in defensive play

[foggy rune]

Blame nergle?

[signal garden]

but defensive play is a joke because ogryns with bully clubs exist

thus proving the point that zealots make little sense

[foggy rune]

So everything that zealot does a different class just does it better?

[sharp epoch]

I posted it here but like this zealot does a 1/3 of the damage of two other teammates, the 4th guy rq so I can't see that #veteran-class message

[signal garden]

no its just that zealot fills a niche that isnt necessary

[tough nova]

Flamer GOATed ranged weapon

[signal garden]

CONSIDERING that ogryn exists and does what it does the question always arises what can zealot do that ogryn cant

[tough nova]

I miss the scumbag Fotf interaction

[hybrid plover]

Man ya'll really have not played with anything but book zealots, have you

[tough nova]

Zealot clutches better

[signal garden]

you dont need to clutch when things are going smoothyl

[hybrid plover]

I mean I get it. Some people are just stuck in the old meta I suppose

[signal garden]

thats the problem, zealot is a clutcher, but a good team never needs to clutch it

[sharp epoch]

It's just the havoc meta like shout vet still, which I think is subpar

exe stance vet is the way now

[signal garden]

and at that point why not just play ogryn so clutching isnt an issue

[tough nova]

But you DO inevitably need to clutch. And zealot does it best.

[sharp epoch]

arb does it better though

[toxic reef]

if clutching is running away a bunch, sure

[tough nova]

Unless you have won every round with no one ever going down.

[hybrid plover]

Okay I will say.

Exe stance and shout are both really good for different reasons. Just because shout got their cdr shut down a little but, doesn't mean exe stance is just overall better.

They serve very different purposes.

And I say this as someone who usually prefers exe stance

[foggy rune]

I'll just use infiltrate to the dismay of every one in my team

[toxic reef]

isn't it weird you can pop exe stance while it's already active?

[sharp epoch]

shout vets cant hit the 1 hit breakpoint on gunners in the head anymore along with the cdr nerf, idk why even take a shout vet other than those things

[hybrid plover]

1 hit breakpoint with what?

[sharp epoch]

plasma

I mean I only see plasma dueling sword shout vets

[rancid veldt]

whats the best blessing for pwer falchion>?

[tough nova]

Cranial?

[hybrid plover]

💀

[toxic reef]

wrath cranial I think

[rancid veldt]

ty!!

[hybrid plover]

Those vets are just meta slaves that let their build play the game for them imho

[rancid veldt]

im a poe player, build guide go brrr

[toxic reef]

I always went power sword instead

[sharp epoch]

path uses plasma too, helbore is really the only other weapon people take to havoc

[tough nova]

Plasma is so boring.

[toxic reef]

I only bother with plasma on weapons specialist build so I can get passive clip regen

and using it as backup

[native ocean]

hi how do yall feel about the power falchion? I like it quite a bit myself so far 🙂

[signal garden]

passive clip regen?

a whopping ONE ammo per kill?

[tough nova]

That's even more boring. Idk why they let you circumvent one of its biggest downsides.

[plain osprey]

Heavies feel awkward chained

[signal garden]

on a gun that uses 3-8 per shot?

[signal garden]

oh god really, i hate to sound like a minmaxer

but some crazy things need to happen if youre running out of ammo and need to reload on the plasma gun

[toxic reef]

I mean, I don't need to if I run that

[signal garden]

most people getting hit with plasmagun are probably doing so because of OCD, much like the dumbass that slurps up every ammo pickup even though the indicator suggests hes at white ammo, you reloading at 80/124 ammo is just not necessary in the middle of combat

but lord knows people do it

[foggy rune]

Do just not like anything that isn't a flamethrower?

[tough nova]

Currently loving laspistol

[signal garden]

vet should get flamer

[tough nova]

And agri revolvee

[foggy rune]

I did catch myself doing that reload

[hybrid plover]

Maybe I'm just seeing a different story here because the vets I've seen have been using different things

[toxic reef]

I find myself reloading more often with helbore than plasma, even tho they both rarely need it

[signal garden]

@hybrid plover yeah well those poeple have issues

[toxic reef]

I prob haven't gotten used to helbore as much

[signal garden]

I get people want to larp with the ilas

[willow prairie]

how can you be meta slaves while not knowing shit about meta lol

[signal garden]

i get that it looks and sounds cool

[willow prairie]

not even psword

[signal garden]

theres no arguing though, THAT ITS SHIT

[willow prairie]

tanner video and it consequences

[meager echo]

Plasma is the best anti specialist tho, pretty much 1 shot body shot any specialist. Shoot through captain sheild as well. You don't have to kill gunners fast since smoke exist.

[willow prairie]

take marksman btw

20% strength for a single point

[sharp epoch]

The gunners thing just makes you use up more ammo which is important for havoc

[tough nova]

Tanner is fallible. Say it quietly tho.

[willow prairie]

yeah didn't have problem yesterday

[meager echo]

The only thing that kill h40 run for me is specialist behind armour pack. Especially bombers since they force you out of smoke/ bubble.

[hybrid plover]

No. They just know plasma isn't the only usable thing anymore lol

Or helbore.

[signal garden]

i still hate what they did to helbore

used to have double its current stabbing speed

[hybrid plover]

I've seen las pistols, autoguns, revolvers

And people do just fine.

[signal garden]

never seen a weapon nerfed that bad before

[tough nova]

Autopistol would like a word

[signal garden]

and before you go all "muh balance" kerillian's javelin still stabs fast af

[hybrid plover]

Dude it's better than it was before as a ranged weapon. Like yeah the bayonet nerf sucks but it's genuinely really good right now.

[signal garden]

yeah but it was geninely good back then

[sharp epoch]

tanner is not that good

[signal garden]

now its still good, but janky

and you might say "oh muh equip speed"

but i insist it was good even in spite of that

now its a popular weapon with a lower bar of entry and worst of all its on FS's radar because of it

meanwhile the twinlink flashli-imean the infantry las gun is cursed by its inability to hit breakpoints, which wouldnt be an issue if darktide didnt handle recoil the way that it does

[foggy rune]

[tough nova]

It glows menacingly at nurgle

[grand perch]

ilas hits great BPs if you go exec + MMF

[foggy rune]

I don't care who fatshark sends I am not using exec

[signal garden]

@grand perch ok so what about it sets it apart from something actually good

and i find MMF to be remarkably tedious

[sharp epoch]

exe is good as nothing more than a free toughness generator

[signal garden]

so that may be a me problem

[hybrid plover]

Mmf is not that hard to use lol

[signal garden]

compared to WS and mark target?

yeah its that much harder to use

[hybrid plover]

Yes. Because you can actually move.

It is not hard to hit headshots.

[sharp epoch]

they kinda reworked mmf where you dont lose stacks on moving now so its just a little passive now

ft id say is the clunkiest implementation nowadays

[meager echo]

Ft is has it use man, cut down boss time alot.

I used to play ws exclusively, now I use ft for havoc.

[sharp epoch]

I'm saying it's clunky to use, not that its bad. If you want to use it to its full potential your pinging every single enemy you shoot or hit which is just another input before all your other inputs

[meager echo]

it's not that clunky, you wait for 2 stack, which pretty much enough for elite/ specialist.

on boss you wait for 4

you get 2 stack ft really fast

[sharp epoch]

2 stacks is automatic if you kill a marked enemy already so its basically every elite/special you just mark after you kill one

It was especially annoying on helbore because your using one finger on your mouse to ads, one to hold to fire and you need a third to ping it on middle click

[meager echo]

I tried helbore in high havoc, it's rough. You get punish really hard for not hitting head.

body shot dmg is too low.

mean while plasma gun 1 or 2 shots body shot most specialist

and you dont have to move to do that as well.

[sharp epoch]

I feel like plasma I'm mostly hitting the head too though

gunners need a headshot to die in one hit, flamers do too, and pretty sure dreg bombers too, reapers is also two hs

[meager echo]

While playing with helbore I notice that sometimes you have to shoot enemies through fence or railing, hellbore bullet can't past through object which is really anoying.

[sharp epoch]

fences should work, railings no

and yeah plasmas penetration is why I mostly use it, sometimes the special is just sitting behind a mob of enemies and you cant do shit if you have any other weapon

[meager echo]

I do think helbore is the stronger weapon if you can hit head consistently tho.

But I can't do that...

[sharp epoch]

I don't think so, it has no penetration and it tunnel visions you with the zoom

also the pullout time

[willow prairie]

plasma is just plug and play

and you don't need dedicated build

you can ads cancel the pullout but it will alway be slower than plasma after factoring in charge time

[sharp epoch]

helbores upside is it doesnt consume ammo for the team to use

[hybrid plover]

I started liking focus target a lot recently

Since you can still hold up really well in melee with the damage bonuses vet has now.

[willow prairie]

focus target require actually doing stuff

I don't like it

meanwhile mmf and ws just play like you normally would

it basically boil down to "are you willing to gimp yourself so your team deal with bosses faster"

[hybrid plover]

Weapon specialist admittedly is a little jank with bosses.

[willow prairie]

especially with how strong bottom right node are

[tough nova]

I mark a lot already so it suits me. If im feeling supporty ill run focus.

[hybrid plover]

Just run bottom right and branch into focus target

[willow prairie]

just fuck a random poxwalker and suddenly you get massive damage from nothing

plus attack and dodge

[sharp epoch]

I mean you can grab bottom right and FT, everybody already grabs the ogryn monstrosity damage node already

[meager echo]

You just take FT. don't take anything below it. It's just bad...

[hybrid plover]

Extra damage on stacks isn't bad either tbh

It's arguably just a 8% damage buff to you and your team for a vast majority of the game.

[meager echo]

I can't take advantage of that node with how I use ft. I just tag when ft hit 2 stacks. So the dmg increase from that node barely do anything.

[sharp epoch]

im pretty sure redirect fire stacks

like you can stack multiple 4% damage buffs for your team

[hybrid plover]

I have never seen redirect fire go under 4 stacks.

[meager echo]

let me try that, that sound pretty good ngl.

[tough nova]

I like the nodes below but it usually requires sacrifice the ammo/weak spot node or the crit on dodge/melee critnfinesse node.

[hybrid plover]

Why you using extra ammo anyway

[sharp epoch]

yeah thats partly why I just take WS its a lot of value for one point

[tough nova]

I like shooting mah guns

[hybrid plover]

Only reason I would ever take that node is to path into the delay node.

[sharp epoch]

.25 stam delay on the left so far in is diabolical

[hybrid plover]

They should have just put ammo node lower imho

[tough nova]

Both of those nodes should have been baked into baseline

[hybrid plover]

Or have it built into vet in general tbh

[willow prairie]

it already baked into baseline

[tough nova]

One is

[willow prairie]

vet used to have 1s stam regen

[tough nova]

The other is still in the tree

[sharp epoch]

hes talking about amo

[willow prairie]

also being suppression immune by default

[tough nova]

We also got the +5 crit.

[sharp epoch]

what if what if vet gets two guns and zealot gets two melees

[signal garden]

that makes more sense

[tough nova]

Akimbo plasma

[turbid ibex]

I think the bottom part of the tree needs some more work

[signal garden]

would like a slot based equip system

[turbid ibex]

Just as a whole

[hybrid plover]

Yeah. Pretty sure the vet changes aren't final.

Just provisionary to at least make them somewhat leveled with the other classes

[signal garden]

so 4 side arms or 2 "main arms"

[tough nova]

The auras and active talents could use some work as well.

[willow prairie]

"somewhat leveled"

[meager echo]

It cap at 4 stacks so 8% dmg. That barely do anything man.

[signal garden]

no that wouldnt work, yeah just give us 2 guns

[willow prairie]

turned into strongest class in the game sans psyker

[hybrid plover]

Unintentionally overtuning right side

[sharp epoch]

just kidding then 🤠

[signal garden]

right because fatshark have never unintentionally overtuned anything

well theyve certainly undertuned alot of things...

[hybrid plover]

8% damage for the whole team isn't bad honestly.

[meager echo]

I thought it isn't cap like confirmed kill

[sharp epoch]

vet also needs 4 arms so we can hold more stuff at a time

[turbid ibex]

Middle aura and infiltrate could def use some buffs/changes

[willow prairie]

dclaw still suck shit sfter 3 years

[tall torrent]

It’s actually not bad

[hybrid plover]

It's the only subnode worth using for focus target imho

[meager echo]

But that node compete with second flat 25 tougness or, grenade node.

[signal garden]

@willow prairie incoming Dclaw defense force

[hybrid plover]

Yes but understand that a team wide damage buff like that could result in more value in a run.

[signal garden]

"its totally good at doing the things a shredder grenade can, therefore its good!!!!"

[hybrid plover]

Especially since that applies to you.

[willow prairie]

yea because defense is the only thing it can do

0 horde clear

0 armor damage

7 times parry failed to trigger

[tough nova]

Skill issue

[signal garden]

no i think hes right

[willow prairie]

"skill issue" is why we can't have nice thing

[signal garden]

much like the zealot, a weapon that relies on clutching

[willow prairie]

have fun with dclaw being shit ig

[signal garden]

is not a good weapon, the game is "balanced" around pushing the issue

[willow prairie]

the only thing it good at is being rushed by 20 rager but there like 7 other thing to prevent that in the first place

[signal garden]

and the dclaw simply cant push the issue like, say, a tacax or a powersword or a shredder grenade

[tough nova]

Jokes aside it needs better arp on one of its attack profiles

[willow prairie]

dclaw can't even fucking kill bruiser in reasonable amount of time because shit flak damage

[signal garden]

only one of them?

giive it a poison effect

make sly marbo proud

[tough nova]

Yes one of them

[willow prairie]

imagine fleshtearer on dclaw then at least it gonna have decent mixed horde clear

[tough nova]

Blessings are also a good way to buff. Probably the worst blessing pool.

Just not uncanny. It would be busted.

[hybrid plover]

Finesse based weapon

Impact blessings

???

[tall torrent]

They might look at blessing changes next year

[hybrid plover]

They need to

[tall torrent]

At earliest

[meager echo]

If we have second vet on the team, redirect fire + fire team aura = 12% dmg for the team. I think it's good. Usually 10%dmg help with break point.

[hybrid plover]

Blessing pool for dclaw makes no sense.

[willow prairie]

what weapon would be the strongest if all blessing apply at once

[mortal aspen]

long knife
hammerblow

[willow prairie]

certainly knofe

[tall torrent]

Power sword, again

[hybrid plover]

Power sword

[tall torrent]

Because if u mean all blessing

Then power sword gets rev it up lmfao

[hybrid plover]

Sunder AND Bromentum. Nothing is stopping that swing in its tracks

Ever

[tough nova]

Dueling sword prob. Uncanny precog riposte and the damage on 3 targets jawn

[hybrid plover]

Man dueling sword is not that good!

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s just gonna be power sword

[hybrid plover]

It is a one trick pony.

[tall torrent]

Highest base to scale off of

I think power sword can be much more balanced if sunder wasn’t as high

[tough nova]

Not giving the dueling sword it's flowers, even nerfed.

[faint beacon]

Impact claw

Would’ve been so fucking funny

On Arby

[willow prairie]

knofe get flesh tearer, uncannny, riposte, precog, lacerate, haymaker, mercy, exe

it's way stronger than ds if that the case

[tough nova]

I forgot haymaker existed

[tall torrent]

Oh u meant all of its own blessings

[willow prairie]

haymaker kinda mid

[tall torrent]

Nah still power sword lol

[foggy rune]

what's the dump stat on plasma gun?

[willow prairie]

outside funny mauler 1 shot ig

[tall torrent]

doesn’t have one

[hybrid plover]

No dump stat

71-72 charge
68-69 thermal

[tough nova]

Are those breakpoint still relevant?

[meager echo]

I genuinely think ds doenst need the nerf, that weapon is so ass in havoc any people keep complaining about it.

[hybrid plover]

Have to make sure your gun shoots 8 times before overheating

[willow prairie]

It basically a nothing nerf because it perform the same

mk2 got nerfed hard due to special change though

[tough nova]

Well if they didnt nerf imagine where it would be

[willow prairie]

parry is arguably better than the stab but preference

[hybrid plover]

It needs a nerf.

But also an adjustment to make it better for horde clear.

[tough nova]

Ty!

[meager echo]

Trash bin dood. Where it belong.

[faint beacon]

The vet meta stranglehold would’ve been even worse if it wasn’t

You will plasma DS

You will be happy

[willow prairie]

no you will psword pg

[foggy rune]

so just get it as close as I can to 69 for thermal

[hybrid plover]

It's abrasively overtuned for one thing and undertuned for the other

[tall torrent]

Higher or equal

[mortal aspen]

toothpick shouldn't kill carapace

[tall torrent]

Below, not good

[mortal aspen]

give it better horde clear, remove uncanny

[tall torrent]

However @foggy rune if ur broke, just go for a thermal dump

[willow prairie]

don't thermal dump

[foggy rune]

[willow prairie]

you want to have 2 shot per vent

[tall torrent]

I think it won’t change until sunder, duelling sword, uncanny, knife and plasma’s cleave get nerfed

As weird as it is I think BM on power sword is a relatively healthier playstyle compared to sunder power sword

[faint beacon]

I’m still going to be loyal to Columnus III + Taxe combo

[tough nova]

Oh he broke broke

[hybrid plover]

I don't even think knife is considered a part of the meta really anymore.

Since dueling sword exists.

[willow prairie]

knife still mega good but whatever

way better horde clear than ds

[hybrid plover]

It's still amazing for what it is.

[faint beacon]

That shit Is so fucking good in H40 now

[tall torrent]

Mobility op

[tough nova]

Knife has a place.

Movement alone makes me want to use it more than anything else.

[willow prairie]

knife is more consistent on zealot but stronger on vet

[tall torrent]

Tac axe lowkey quite boring

I wish falchion was good

[hybrid plover]

I find this amusing considering I was touting that knife horde clear was better and you said they were comparable

[willow prairie]

I was a non believer

[tall torrent]

And power sword didn’t mog everything

[hybrid plover]

How the turns have tabled.

[willow prairie]

Then I tried flesh + uncanny

[foggy rune]

spent a little too much getting the roll I wanted for chain axe

[willow prairie]

😔

but yeah those 2 fuck

[tall torrent]

Flesh tearer alone gives knife like 6x better mixed horde clear than without lol

[tough nova]

Cut me deep

[hybrid plover]

Try executor + flesh with one of the rending nodes

[tough nova]

I think mercy uncanny with the bleed talent is better

[faint beacon]

It only gets boring when I’ve used it for too long hits the right scratch for melee option but I do agree Falchion needs to be better

Its kinda doodooshit

[meager echo]

Hit mass increase in havoc also needs to go as well if they ever adjust the cleave weapons. Its annoying af.

[hybrid plover]

Not trolling. That extra cleave from the strength bonus on weak spots can contribute more than you might think

[tall torrent]

I should also report on FS forums that mk1 falchion’s heavy2 attack has animation glitch with DLSS upscaling if that attack’s cleave is exhausted

[foggy rune]

I kinda wished the chain axe sounded more like a chain weapon when I hit groups

[tall torrent]

I’m of the opinion that cleave blessings globally need to go down in value

Wrath
Savage sweep
Sunder
Perfect strike
Etc

[faint beacon]

Honestly I think it’s fine you learn to adjust to it the more you run 40s

[hybrid plover]

I think hit mass should be adjusted in havoc to compensate for that honestly

[civic apex]

i think they should remove poxwalkers and replace with crushers

[hybrid plover]

I can see why that would work for auric

[tall torrent]

I rly don’t think cleave blessings giving u +200% cleave is good for balance

[meager echo]

I play with ps exclusively

[willow prairie]

basically any weapon wo good cleave or blessing just get fucked in havoc

arby is fine because he get like 75-150% cleave from doing nothing

😍

[hybrid plover]

Hence why I run executor when I run havoc with knoife

Just feels better 2 me

[tall torrent]

75%

[willow prairie]

75% from drive them back

25% from node

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s all u would normally get

[faint beacon]

100%

[willow prairie]

50% from forceful sub node

[faint beacon]

That or it’s impact

[willow prairie]

if you play lw

[tall torrent]

25% not worth cuz their best ability is BTL

[faint beacon]

Impact is still good

[tall torrent]

50% not worth because EO mogs everything

[willow prairie]

yeah not on lonewolf

which what i was talking about

[faint beacon]

EO will always mog everything sadly

[willow prairie]

eo is alway better

[tall torrent]

Even on lone wolf EO mogs everything

[willow prairie]

i just run na

[tall torrent]

Nuncio is ass

[hybrid plover]

Lone wolf EO is still really strong

[tall torrent]

Nuncio is rly just worse chorus

[willow prairie]

yeah i get to play the game though

but it good for bossing

btl is good

[tall torrent]

Castrated stance has value but not much

[willow prairie]

the biggest trap

i used casti a lot before i get good and it only really useful for like 2 situation

[tall torrent]

Yes I call it castrated stance

Why else would u not be able to sprint

[hybrid plover]

Say no more.

Okay that actually got me

[tall torrent]

This is like that vid of some Chinese guy practicing CBT to level up his kungfu

[willow prairie]

I kinda get it like you want to use it to fight but it ended up being you slowly walking while the horde surround you

in practice it just a panic button

[faint beacon]

BTL generally offers more to the team but Casti is still absolutely ludicrous

[meager echo]

I think the most undeserved nerf of the patch is the batter node of ogryn.
Instead of addressing the mk3 club directly they nerf the node...

[faint beacon]

Castration stance

[tall torrent]

Castrated stance is good for risk pushing burster ig

[mortal aspen]

cool guys don't sprint, they walk

[hybrid plover]

Castigator's is good at making stupid plays.

[mortal aspen]

sprint is cringe

[hybrid plover]

That's it.

[tall torrent]

But BTL is just better

Arb has 1 good ult lol

[faint beacon]

It’s not even that it’s Bad

It’s literally just BTL offers more

[willow prairie]

crunch:

[hybrid plover]

It's not bad.

But it's not really that good either.

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s a good nerf

[faint beacon]

How was it even nerfed lmao

[tall torrent]

If anything light atk should do 0 bleed tbh

[faint beacon]

I didn’t even pay attention

[willow prairie]

It turn mistake into opportunity

[tall torrent]

Light atk do 1 instead of 2 bleed

[faint beacon]

Holy shit good lmao

[tall torrent]

If anything it should be 0 bleed

[faint beacon]

Veteran can apply 2 though!

[hybrid plover]

And an ability that only acts as a bandaid for a bad situation and only that

Is not that good to me personally.

[willow prairie]

yeah

[tall torrent]

I think it’d be actually better if light atks did 0 bleed but heavy atks did 5 bleed

[willow prairie]

then heavy spam just become meta again

but ig not because we nerfed crunch for shit and giggles

[meager echo]

Why you hate bigman or something

[tall torrent]

Crunch was NEVER good

[willow prairie]

it was when it give 15% at first stack

which is basically alway

[tall torrent]

It was mid at best always

[hybrid plover]

10 bleed stacks on knife be like

[tall torrent]

I don’t I actually want some changes to their tree for the better

Like

Bottom right side pathing

So bad

Left side I wish u could take the heavy atk move speed penalty node with 1 point travel

[hybrid plover]

I just want rumbler to get nerfed into the ground

[willow prairie]

it funny 1 shot reaper

[hybrid plover]

And the other ranged weapons actually brought up to compensate so ogryns actually have choices.

[tall torrent]

I rly don’t think rumbler is that op in a melee build context cuz it does just 2 things

[willow prairie]

no we will buff elites hp and not change a thing about heavy stubber

[willow prairie]

never was imo

at best it extra cc tool

I just use them as boss damage if i run shield

[tall torrent]

It’s just for shooting reaper and mixed horde stagger

[willow prairie]

otherwise just for cc

[hybrid plover]

Yeah but its extremely good if not outright oppressive at doing that when built up right.

Which I guess says more to the tree than the actual weapon

[tall torrent]

Nerf the build

[hybrid plover]

But its also the only ranged weapon capable of being that overwhelmingly powerful on ogry

[faint beacon]

Honestly I think it’s such less of an issue with Veteran and Zealot because they don’t apply fucking Star Wars intro levels of debuffs on enemies with one click

That and zealots left tree literally synergizes with bleed

[tall torrent]

Zealot crit once to bleed 10

Vet crit once to bleed 10

Sunder power sword doing bleed to 5 maulers at a time

With fastest melee mixed horde clear in game

I think it’s not healthy for the game

[hybrid plover]

I'll be honest

[willow prairie]

I mean charged strike csword exist until it gets nerfed

[hybrid plover]

That says more about the power sword than serrated

[faint beacon]

See uncle Ben that’s a PS being PS right there

[tall torrent]

Nah even the 10 bleed on crit

Is a bit crazy imo

[faint beacon]

Honestly nerfing FT would help

[willow prairie]

it's enough to kill most elite on single crit

[tall torrent]

I lowkey want serrated to be like

More bleed stacks but only on first target

[hybrid plover]

...have we gone full circle to say that serrated can actually be a very powerful node under the right circumstances?

[faint beacon]

Chat I think we have

[willow prairie]

i never said it was bad just isn't node efficient

[tall torrent]

Power sword too op

[hybrid plover]

Oh my God my shilling has finally paid off.

[tall torrent]

Is it back??

Pus might actually be easiest modifier of all atm

[willow prairie]

you can spend extra for serrated or one of the bottom node

[meager echo]

How about blight + rotten armour

So good.

[tall torrent]

Blight can go die in a hole

[hybrid plover]

I'm addicted to smoking so its efficient for me

[willow prairie]

blue stim rager

[tall torrent]

Red should be base game tho

Base game mechanic

Make elite enemies CC immune below 30% hp

All modes all the time

Peak

[willow prairie]

I think they should have enemy filter so crusher don't get green and rager don't get blue

tbh

[tall torrent]

Rager is not the most cursed one
Bulwark is

[turbid ibex]

Issue is the only way to know an enemy is below 30% hp is with a mod

[meager echo]

Just remove bulwark from the game man. That unit is nothing but pain.

[tall torrent]

U don’t need to just have them show the red aura effect

[tall torrent]

Blue stim bulwark at h40 is the same durability vs melee attacks as twins

36000 effective hp, carapace

[meager echo]

They should add a mechanic to open their shield.

[tall torrent]

Unlike twins however blue stim is basically stagger immunity

-200% impact means u do 0 stagger with basically everything

I’m not sure if forced stagger still works?

[meager echo]

I hate the shield bash so much. Instant drain all stamina is so bs.

[faint beacon]

No we were making gif shit posts of havoc modifiers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501396724993228802/1425304474984906835/caption.gif

The Blue Bulwark:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501396724993228802/1425305051013841018/caption.gif

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon darktide is a very unserious game because getting smacked in the face by a thunder hammer won't stop this guy from attacking, but getting hit in the balls by a glowing egg will

[hybrid plover]

Why does his upper half flipping that way make me laugh so hard

[tall torrent]

why do u think I clipped it

also only krak grenade does this

frag doesn't stagger them on direct hit

[pseudo fiber]

"Did you just throw a fucking rock at me dude?"

[faint beacon]

We love this games consistency

Reminder same guy getting hit in the neck with a massive blade will simply not care unless it’s glowing

Power Falchion they did you so fucking dirty

[tall torrent]

I sent u why it doesn't stagger ragers

[faint beacon]

YEAH IT STILL ANGERS ME

[narrow frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501396724993228802/1425304147858559026/caption.gif

[orchid hemlock]

AAAAAAAA

[pseudo portal]

The strongest can of rations in the Imperium

[eternal venture]

It also makes Ragers completely immune in pox gas

100% damage resist

I’ve seen blue ragers outlive captains in H40

[inland orchid]

There’s heretic fight pits?

My moneys on tox bomber

He’s the goat support wise

[tall torrent]

still works:
arb's dog explosion, BTL and dog pounce
vet's VoC
ogryn's taunt
zealot's chorus

[sharp epoch]

@eternal venture hey ive seen u in party finder

[tame lodge]

-200% IMPACT ain't shit

[eternal venture]

Oh shits what’s up

Yeah we’ve played a bit lol

[sharp epoch]

good wat clearance you at

[eternal venture]

Clearance 40

I’m at rank 38 though

[tall torrent]

These do forced stagger if the normal stagger fails to stagger

[sharp epoch]

Me too I been bouncing from 38 to 36 😔

[eternal venture]

The pub havoc life is rough

Don’t worry you’ll get there soon

[elder void]

Any builds floating around? And what ranged weapons are you guys using here?

[sharp epoch]

its about the journey 😼

[tall torrent]

2 generalist starting builds

[sharp epoch]

make them take field improv

[tall torrent]

too lazy to remake

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[eternal venture]

Field improv or bust

!!!!

[tall torrent]

I had an idea for field improv I sent months ago

make field improv give vet a random stim (except green) every X seconds if vet doesn't already hold one

just make it pop into inventory

[sharp epoch]

I think the talent has enough perks to it already but that would be nicr

[tall torrent]

can make it a rly long cd

like 90s or even 120s

but it'll just be a nice side-benefit

cuz field improv's main limitation is that u only get 2 of each deployable and u gotta take time to loot

it's not bad I just wish it was more

[hybrid plover]

I'd just say experiment with ranged weapons. More things are viable nowadays with the update.

[orchid hemlock]

Just go on games lantern

Trust them 😈

[hybrid plover]

Only thing I wouldn't actually recommend on vet is fanned revolver solely because it doesn't exactly fit for what vet needs out of a ranged weapon.

Otherwise, even the ilas weapons can be viable if not the best nowadays.

[elder void]

Yeah I was liking the bolter for the dakka.

I'll have to check out the plasma here I think I get it next level

[hybrid plover]

Plasma is good.

And boring.

[elder void]

How's the power falcian? Does it play like the power sword and you need to charge it all the damn time lol?

[hybrid plover]

No. It works like relic blade with heat

That being said.

Its okay.

[inner imp]

: (

[inner imp]

its fun, you toggle it on and start swinging till it overheats

the moveset is kinda.... eh...

[hybrid plover]

What? It's true. I'm not knocking anyone who uses it cuz I get it but it's the most brainless weapon vet has.

[inner imp]

i : ( because it is true

[elder void]

Sweet, been using the chain weapons mainly in my zealot so figure I'd do something different. Wish the dueling sword has a pistol like in v2 lol

[sharp epoch]

theres more brainless weapons like revolver or bolt gun even

but your probably talking about performance wise

[hybrid plover]

Revolver and bolt gun aren't nearly as brainless imho

You have to at least aim for an accurate shot

Plasma?

As long as something is on your cross hair, you just left click

Done.

Point and click adventure ah gun

[sharp epoch]

all guns are pretty much point and click adventures and plasma yes your also aiming at the head

[hybrid plover]

But you don't actually have to ads.

You just point the gun, shoot, and there ain't even a remote deviation to the shot. It just cleaves through whatever you put your cross hair on.

At least for the most part, every other gun at least requires some extra input and thought to use.

And it doesn't help that plasma is just also absurdly strong for how easy it is to use too.

[sharp epoch]

I think it would still be used if you had to ads instead of hipfire too

[hybrid plover]

100% it would.

[sharp epoch]

It's not that it's the most brainless it just performs the best

And it's actually fair because it's competing against the staves or flamer or the executioner shotty which are also pretty broken and require even less aim

[hybrid plover]

Comparing one overtuned thing to other things, that are clearly overtuned doesn't invalidate said thing.

But I'm not even talking performance.

It just isn't satisfying to use for me.

[sharp epoch]

lining up the heads of shotgunners is 😩

[hybrid plover]

I could do that with other guns that aren't any of those

[sharp epoch]

4-5 elites in one shot nuh

[heavy rover]

it's alright. Not the same outright power burst like the original power sword, but the extra dodge is appreciated

[tall torrent]

revolver is easier

[meager echo]

The bolt pistol is also brainless tho, High body shot dmg with punture + surgical

just crit body shot = dead specialist 1 shot

[hybrid plover]

I would not call bistol brainless tbh

[meager echo]

I like it a lot. Very easy to use.

[hybrid plover]

It has a very weird recoil to account for

[tall torrent]

revolver is actually insanely cracked at breakpoints rn

[meager echo]

But the ammo reserve is kinda low

[tall torrent]

boltpistol has better breakpoints than plasma atm since u can run deadly accurate

[turbid ibex]

Derate

[tall torrent]

but boltpistol feels like ass to play
and wants always prepared so it's 1 extra point cost

[hybrid plover]

I mean I'm not really talking like, purely performance more than the effort required to get the results for those weapons

[meager echo]

The only thing I hate about it is you have to release ads after everyshot...

[tall torrent]

nothing abt boltpistol feels good

unfortunate

[hybrid plover]

Which, plasma is just insanely easy in that regard. And isn't satisfying because of that.

Its just a hipfire machine that can also immediately cull like 40 things in one shot.

[tall torrent]

boltpistol technically has better ammo economy than plasma since crit-weakspot breakpoints are better + u get more ammo from survivalist & pickups compared to plasma

[meager echo]

and doing that by body shot as well

god damn it's strong

[atomic void]

Bolt pistol is nice (feel wise )only thing that sucks is hip fire

[autumn sorrel]

What Mark of Helbore do people use?

[tall torrent]

plasma doesn't 1 tap most things on body

[meager echo]

mainly specialist

[hybrid plover]

Usually IIIa or IV

[tall torrent]

yea, takes 2

[meager echo]

with agile engagement + 2 stack ft

[tall torrent]

crit-headshot with buffs up is 1

[meager echo]

pretty much 1 shot bodyshot

It's bad into reapers tho

[tall torrent]

havoc max flamer 2100hp

[meager echo]

but I haven't use ft and skirmisher

I don't think anything better at killing specialist as plasma gun.

[hybrid plover]

Hmm.

[tall torrent]

arb dog

[hybrid plover]

Vraks infantry autogun

[tall torrent]

unfortunately plasma not as good at sniping specials as arb's dog

[meager echo]

It has charge time tho. The dog does not pounce instantly.

[hybrid plover]

Not kidding. Shit melts through maniac enemies like butter even in havoc

[tame lodge]

Intercontinental Ballistic Good Boy

[meager echo]

But this only apply if you can't hit head like me. If you can hit head consistently, it's better to use helbore tbh.

[steep sleet]

Accidentally got On Overwatch in a havoc

[tame lodge]

Yeah

Seems about right

[steep sleet]

Tried doing it and couldn't seem to not take chip damage

Then just get it on accident

:^]

[hybrid plover]

That'll happen.

[tall torrent]

helbore IIIa and IV have better 1 taps than plasma but don't work as good for hybrid setup
V has worse breakpoints

V's breakpoints are actually ass unless u dmg juice it

[hybrid plover]

If anything, it kinda makes sense that it would happen on havoc since it's far more teamwork oriented and you probably had a good team composition for damage mitigation.

[steep sleet]

I enjoy havoc, but good teams are rare on the in-game party finder

[meager echo]

I am trying to learn others weapons. To prepare for the inevitable nerf of Plasma gun

shit left uncheck for too long.

[tall torrent]

it'll still be good

rly just nerf its cleave by 90% and it's much more in line with the rest

[hybrid plover]

Not like the dueling sword nerf did much so I doubt they're really gonna hit it that hard.

[tall torrent]

current hipfire cleave 55.125
nerf it to 5.5125 and it's immediately fine

[tall torrent]

DS technically buff