veteran-class

[austere mica]

No marines

[spark helm]

Oh no i can still like 40k stuff

[junior grail]

We also have... catgirls

[spark helm]

Space marines have cool writing from what I've been exposed to briefly and there's some variety of strong storytelling and worldbuilding.

If I was to even focus on them out of curiosity I'd probably just start with the Ravenguard since they're conceptually more my speed at blind aesthetic value. I actually peeped some assassinorum lore from that book of choyer yt channel and enjoyed it a lot.

They do narrated TV documentary-style videos. Pretty fun to listen to like audio books or radio spoken stories.

[eternal venture]

I only blocked someone for the first time the other week because they kept screaming on mic for people to leave (when they were the ones dying)

Like they were having full-blown unmedicated meltdowns on voice like it was dota

[junior grail]

Birdboy Corvus Corax approves

[eternal venture]

Then I clutched a one-ogryn comeback the next game and they couldn't stop thanking me on mic

pathetic

I blocked him afterward

[junior grail]

Cactus doing the signature look of superiority haha

[eternal venture]

I love that emoji lol

[spark helm]

I guess within Imperium lore I'd probably be interested in things like organized crime, space pirate shit, catachan stuff, definitely any kind of non-chaos rebel group stuff wherever it may be, idk a medical corps if that's a thing (i know there's some other officio thing that directly plays into eversore assassin production), I heard sisters of battle might be cool to me and that's about it.

Oh yeah and ratling stuff I suppose.

[austere mica]

Crime has a bunch of the best books

[junior grail]

May I suggest my fave bit of lore in 40K... Necromunda

[spark helm]

As far as chaos goes, Tzeentch and Slaanesh are my favorites by a long mile. Korne and Nurgle got their own sauce too but the first two are my favs for sure.

Uh, dark eldar are just nutty to me so I'm kind of interested. I recently learned loose basics of the necrons so they seem neat and I love that kind of crazy necrotech shit in grimdark sci-fantasy. Tau too because I'm actually curious to learn about them more deeply as another xeno faction.

Psyker shit cool. Warp cool.

[spark helm]

Wdym?

[austere mica]

Warhammer Crime

[spark helm]

Mhm

[austere mica]

its a section of written stuff for 40k

[spark helm]

Grimdark noire?

[austere mica]

A lot of really good books sit there

[spark helm]

Oh yeah um

Whatever the fuck hadron is part of seems interesting too for human factions.

[austere mica]

Admech

If you want to learn more about specific stuff just wiki surf Lexicanum

[spark helm]

Mechanicus right?

[primal sorrel]

النهاية تقترب

[austere mica]

They're great about source marking so if you find stuff you want to read sources on it'll be there

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-read-gif-8601850895406729169

[primal sorrel]

النهاية تقترب. سنهلك جميعًا قريبًا. اسمع صرخات الجرحى. ابكِ.

[limber karma]

hi, I just got back for the new patch, is the power falcion any good for havoc 40?

i usually run smoke / plasma / dueling sword weapon specialist, that was the best meta awhile back

[sharp epoch]

havent tried it, but I use ps

[hollow ibex]

no

you're dead if it's off

[limber karma]

fuck

i just started a game with it

[dapper coyote]

What dump stat do i need for my infantry lasgun? (all variants)

Same goes for recon and helbores

[jade cloak]

Anyone tried the cowboy veteran build from Mister E?

[dapper coyote]

Because i like shooting

And i need to know what dump stat i should be seeking for those guns

[hollow ibex]

no because Mr. E is a meme

[hollow ibex]

ilas: prob mob, idr

recon: collat

helbore: stab

[dapper coyote]

I see

Thx

[meager echo]

Its only good for premade team. Taking agni shock maul to pubs is not ideal. Very hard to handle melee.

[desert valve]

The Alt-Attack will hard-carry.

[meager echo]

Best you can do is hard cc one target and get swarmed.

[desert valve]

Just Alt-Fire Elites then follow it up with a heavy.

[meager echo]

The only use case for agni is captain and lt ttk. Which will not work in pubs.

[desert valve]

It's CC isn't good but it's not bad either.

[meager echo]

Agni shock maul is mainly for skull crusher debuff, and void shield dps. Anything else it does is mediocre.

[desert valve]

You mean Refractor.

[meager echo]

The point is, ogryn can bring skull crusher debuff for the team without significantly gimping his dps output.
Vet bring agni shock maul = net dps loss for the team.

I didn't say the weapon is not winnable. It's less than ideal.

[desert valve]

I don't think I've ever seen a more generalist weapon than the shock maul.

In any setting ever.

[meager echo]

Play more then, when you experience more weapons you know what i'm talking about.

[desert valve]

Did I stutter.

Or did your reading comprehension evaporate.

[meager echo]

Can you elaborate?

[desert valve]

#veteran-class message

Point out exactly what part of this you failed to understand.

[hollow ibex]

how is the smaul a generalist weapon when it hits bosses for like 5 damage per hit

[hollow ibex]

tfw the CC is so good that it stuns you too

[meager echo]

It's a niche weapon, out side of void shield dps and putting skull crusher debuff on bosses it doesnt do anything else.

[desert valve]

Can you get a guaranteed stun?
Yes.
Does it lock you in place while you do it?
Also yes.

[meager echo]

Zero horde dps, zero elite dps

[normal sparrow]

Woe, 10 ragers upon ye

[desert valve]

Spam heavies and pray that it electrocutes them.

[dapper coyote]

Fuck the shock maul, return to shovel

[normal sparrow]

Or pick a better weapon and kill them during that period

[remote sonnet]

Even Dclaw and Hsword can do better.

[meager echo]

Do you aware that Powersword stagger 4 ragers per light attack ?

[desert valve]

No.
You have a Shock maul.
Get down on your knees and pray that it actually does what it's supposed to.

[dapper coyote]

It is fun to spam the tazer, but not gonna lie, it sucks at killing slightly armored hordes

[desert valve]

(9/10 times it won't)

[normal sparrow]

I have a shovel

[dapper coyote]

[dry cloak]

The tazer aint for killing

[dapper coyote]

No it isn't

[desert valve]

It's for stunlocking.

[dapper coyote]

But its just fun to spam them

[normal sparrow]

Skullcrusher check
Can stagger check
Not standing still while alt attack check

[dry cloak]

It is

[meager echo]

Bro you zap one guy, what about everything else, they get aoe tazed ?

Did you think about that ?

[dapper coyote]

Its fun to roleplay as Metrocop from half life or as policeman when you don't have arbites

[desert valve]

It's the most mid weapon in the game.
It's neither good nor bad at anything.
But don't try to use it unironically on any class beyond Arb, because you'll get shit shit shoved in.

[meager echo]

You stun lock yourself with that special activation.

[dapper coyote]

But meta wise, they fucking sucked

[north spoke]

Trying to make an autogun build for my vet. Anyone down to help out?

[dry cloak]

I use it on vet a lot and its good.

[desert valve]

Which.

[dry cloak]

Sure which one

[north spoke]

Braced Autogun

[dry cloak]

Your melee of choice?

[desert valve]

Let the voices guide your hand.

[north spoke]

Shovel

[dry cloak]

Aight

[dapper coyote]

Shovel will kill nurgle

[north spoke]

Yes

It will

It shall

[dapper coyote]

There will be a shovel excalibur showing up

[remote sonnet]

Power spade when?

Make you dig your grave 5 times faster.

[desert valve]

You are unworthy.

[north spoke]

Making trenches in both dirt and heretic chest cavities

[proud bluff]

Which weapon we on about?

[desert valve]

Enforcer Shock Maul.

The Taser.

[north spoke]

Sometimes they keep telling me to "tug hadrons chords"

[proud bluff]

Ah…….the weapon…….i use

I just like the aesthetic

[desert valve]

I use it sometimes with Infiltrate.

It's funny to jump and Stunlock a Crusher

[proud bluff]

If i’m in havoc i’ll use something else but outside of that i like my shocky mace

[proud bluff]

Indeed

[desert valve]

Yeah, it needs a bit of a rework.

It's not in a good place.

Thankfully it's not in a bad place like the Devil's Claw.

[proud bluff]

Buff the thing and give dueling sword thirty nerfs but like actual nerfs this time

[meager echo]

Why would you need to stun crushers ?

[proud bluff]

Cause it’s funny

[desert valve]

^

[proud bluff]

Literally the whole reason

[meager echo]

Understanable.

[desert valve]

You can stunlock at maximum 3 fatboys.

[proud bluff]

I just use whatever i find fun and hope my skill makes the difference. If what i like happens to be meta than all the merrier i guess

Like i don’t really vibe with the plasma gun so i don’t use it

[desert valve]

I have chosen to shun the Meta and build my own.

[proud bluff]

I do love using the boltgun though. Sound team killed it with that thing

Both the firing and the reload are pure dopamine

[desert valve]

Bolt Pistol with Executioner Stance & Marksman's Focus is really damn powerful if you can actually aim.

@proud bluff that gives me an idea actually.

Run a Bolt Pistol Marksman build with the Shock Maul, see how that goes for you.

I'll do it once I get off work.

[proud bluff]

I will keep it in mind next time i play

[distant mural]

Overrated weapon

Its nerfed enough

[proud bluff]

I think it’s fairly rated. It’s busted as hell so it gets the type of attention something like that would

[distant mural]

Nah its a pretty boring weapin imo

[proud bluff]

Last i heard the nerf didn’t do anything. I heard some say it was arguably better

[distant mural]

You just have the carapace pke stick wich isnt very good against hordes

[proud bluff]

Yes boring. Boring and busted aren’t the same. It being busted is partly why it is boring

[distant mural]

Its just the speed and safety people want

Not the actual power

Its not actually the most powerfull weapon.

[proud bluff]

It does fine there and on characters like Vet you have other tools for managing a horde

[desert valve]

If you can dodge and hit weakpoints, it's great.

If you can't, you eat shit and die.

Speaking from experience.

[distant mural]

Exactly it has a anti armor purpose amd gives speed and safety but its not actually the best weapon

[proud bluff]

Tbf the dodge part applies to everything after a certain difficulty

[distant mural]

Zealot vet psyker etc all have better alternatives

[proud bluff]

You either get into the groove or your ass becomes a crusher floormat

[desert valve]

And then there's my goddamn Sergeant build, in which I regenerate 80% of my Toughness, and 40% of my team's toughness, every time I anything.

[proud bluff]

If that was the case dueling sword wouldn’t be the meta melee weapon for all 3 classes

[distant mural]

It isnt anymore imo

[desert valve]

Give the Chainaxe a try

[proud bluff]

It isn’t the only good option but it is absolutely overtuned

[distant mural]

Especially not zealot

[meager echo]

Sorry but DS is far from meta for vet.

[desert valve]

^

The Thunder Hammer has been Zealot's best melee since launch.

[distant mural]

Thunder hammer eviscerator

Relic blade

[desert valve]

Doesn't matter what build they're using, the Thunder Hammer is mandatory.

It's just that good.

[distant mural]

For vet psword

No question

Still the strongest weapon on vet

[desert valve]

You have a free choice between Chainaxe, Power Sword & Duelling Sword.

[distant mural]

Yeah chainaxe too

[meager echo]

You only take DS over PS because you are not familiar with game so you need the extra safty from dodge distance.

[desert valve]

Depends on which sort of target you want to delete.

[distant mural]

And payker i would say force hreatsword is meta

[desert valve]

Bigass Sword.

The Moonlit Blade.

[proud bluff]

That statement doesn’t make sense as many who are familiar with the game and in high havoc still see the weapon as the best

[distant mural]

It does

[proud bluff]

Why would they need the extra safety? They already are good

[distant mural]

Its what i said in the beginning

[meager echo]

You want to talk havoc ?

[distant mural]

The weapon isnt actually auper good its just super safe

[tall torrent]

it is super good

[desert valve]

It's excellent against bosses and Fatties.
But it falls short in every other way except dodge.

[tall torrent]

but it's not the best

[distant mural]

Meh

[tall torrent]

power sword mogs everything else on vet

[meager echo]

You can now, go and change your sv location to hongkong

[tall torrent]

and also mogs every other melee weapon in the game

[distant mural]

Yes but not duelling

[meager echo]

check if anyone using DS in h40 lobbies ?

[distant mural]

We talking ds

[desert valve]

The Chainaxe's mere existence:

[tall torrent]

yea including DS

power sword mogs everything

[distant mural]

Thats what we are saying

Read!😂

[meager echo]

DS is bad af, i don't even know why people asking for nerf.

[distant mural]

Preach king

[tall torrent]

yea I am agreeing with u

[tame lodge]

Mogged by Psword

[meager echo]

Bad utuber doing more harm than good for this game.

[tall torrent]

power sword just ridiculously op

somehow still not as op as psyker

but

alas

[proud bluff]

I wasn’t even on about that guy. Yeah his takes are largely pretty bad

More so just basing off what i see being used often and why i see it being used often

[desert valve]

It becomes the worst weapon in the game the moment you can't dodge an attack.

Same for all dodge-heavy weapons.

[tall torrent]

people don't use power sword as often as DS because power sword is comparatively like 200x more complex of a weapon

when u compare anything vs DS it'll look complex lol

[distant mural]

Yeah its super uncomfortable to use😂

BUT

[desert valve]

Slap Power Cycler on the bastard and you have arguably the best Burst-CC in the game.

[distant mural]

cLEAVE

[desert valve]

That 20 Rager blob in your face?
What blob?
There's only bloody chunks left.

[distant mural]

Besides if i go pokie stick ill pick the dagger

[meager echo]

I don't even understand the mobility need for high havoc, where would you run to ?

[distant mural]

Atleast the dahger has style

[proud bluff]

Hows the power Falchion? Haven’t tried it yet

[distant mural]

Away from horde

[desert valve]

You run, you die.
Strafing is the name of the game.

[distant mural]

Kite to gain time

[meager echo]

Why would you run away from horde, it's free tougness.

wtf man

[tame lodge]

Mediocre

[desert valve]

It's merely decent.
But surprisingly powerful against Carapace.

[tame lodge]

[distant mural]

Not if youre overwhelmed

[tall torrent]

lol I wish

[distant mural]

Sometimes u need to relocate

[meager echo]

How you get overwhelmed with ps in the first place.

[distant mural]

You will alone in h40😂

[desert valve]

Looks like someone hasn't figured out the rhythm of overhead strikes.

[tall torrent]

do u want an easier to use weapon that does <50% of power sword's dps

[tame lodge]

Mogged by Rashad as well

[tall torrent]

l'm lowkey curious how good ur at the game for the amount of things u say

[proud bluff]

I was just curious how decent it was. Looks cool at least

[desert valve]

I'm a Maelstrom Crackhead.
Getting buried under piles of Elite Spam is what I consider "fun"

[distant mural]

Its ok

Faster then ps

BUR its teerible unpowered and has a long cd if it overheats

[tall torrent]

damn I thought u were running h40 rot armor + stim true solos for the amount of smack u talk lol

[distant mural]

Hell no😂

[tall torrent]

it's alr
usable

[desert valve]

Lil Bro forgot to take his meds.

[meager echo]

Bro I'm done, this is rage bait

you got me there.

[proud bluff]

I’d say everything in this game is usable as long as the person using it has a brain

[tall torrent]

nah I think it's actually their genuine unfiltered opinion

it's funnier that way

[desert valve]

Unfortunately that's too much to ask of a great many people.

[proud bluff]

True. Been having a lot of psykers recently who keep blowing themselves up

To like a ridiculous degree

[desert valve]

Yeah.

It's why I run Gun Psyker.

Can't blow myself up with spam if my ranged weapon is a Flashlight.

[tame lodge]

Everything is usable

That being said

Some things are just mediocre

Like the current Columnus iag

Or middle child brauto

[desert valve]

Infantry Autogun got done dirty.

It's about damn time.

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-ludwig-my-true-mentor-my-guiding-moonlight-moonlight-gif-20321022

[edgy fulcrum]

do i want a mobility or defence dump on the chainaxe

im guessing defence but wanted to double check

[hybrid plover]

it's extremely good at one thing but that can be enough depending on the build you run

[midnight wyvern]

mob

its pushes are actually kinda goated

[hybrid plover]

depends honestly

like

if you do want to run the stamina delay node

defenses is a legitimate choice

[desert valve]

Get one with each.

Find which one works best for you.

[ivory trail]

I need help on Aridin falchion. Can't figure out the right attack loop

[hollow ibex]

which mark?

[ivory trail]

Aridin mk1

[hollow ibex]

horde clear: LL BC or LL [H L] looping

ST: PA L or PA H H L (lower DPS)

[spark helm]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/bound-by-duty-free-update-out-now/112661

There's also a section on it here for both marks.

[hollow ibex]

PA L is the highest single target DPS combo

but risky because it'll drain your stam very quickly

PA L L L is also an option

[ivory trail]

I find out the L2 H2 loop but it feels far too risky on only having 1 light to push things off

[hybrid plover]

I'll admit.

I think part of why I don't like falchion is the moveset.

[hollow ibex]

you sure you're using mk1? 🤔

[tall torrent]

mobility

[ivory trail]

L1L2 vanguard swipe L3 stabby stab. Did I get the name wrong?

[hybrid plover]

Nah that sounds about right.

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah that's right

the LH loop isn't that good anyway

you could just LL BC

[ivory trail]

The mk2b have a better move set but the underhande strikedown isn't going to hit anything good

Which bother me

[hollow ibex]

i'm ok with uppercuts tbh

[desert valve]

It's okay against Carapace though.

[hollow ibex]

but i just like mk1 more

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422251612688355411/50CA021.MP4?ex=68e53908&is=68e3e788&hm=dc2a467756117c74ef82bd423423775cb0c6ddfa9a19690c7182d16a6c4e538d&

[edgy fulcrum]

thank yall for helping me figure out which one is better

[edgy fulcrum]

the hell did i just witness

[proud bluff]

Hm i think i know you from somewhere

[junior grail]

Scandalicious?

[proud bluff]

You usually have mobility as a dump stat for weapons when able

[red portal]

Nah usually defense is a dump if both are available.

[edgy fulcrum]

yeah i knew that much, but this is the second time ive seen a weapon with both mobility and defence and i know those two are usually the dump stats on most weapons so i was confused when it had both

other time i think i wanted a defence dump but cant remember what weapon it was

[red portal]

Defense dump is only really bad on weapons that like pa spamming.

[limber karma]

what build and power sword perks allow u to do this?

[red portal]

So no weapon that I know off that has defense.

[hybrid plover]

Crusher.

[junior grail]

Shield weapons?

[edgy fulcrum]

i keep watching that video and im confused on the combo. is it push attack into light into another push attack? i cannot seem to do anywhere near that much damage with the falchon

[azure narwhal]

It's a power sword

[edgy fulcrum]

it has the power bar on the side

[hybrid plover]

Crusher PA is crazy good so you dump power output

[edgy fulcrum]

power sword doesnt have that

[gentle lake]

I ain't got shit yo

[azure narwhal]

That's push attack into light overhead for crushers

[meager echo]

PS6 caprace + unyielding, power cycler + sunder/ slaughterer/brutal momentum.
WS keystone is better. Focus target is easier to use.

[ivory trail]

In the video the push also seems to be doing damage, which make me confuse too

[azure narwhal]

Are you talking about this? @edgy fulcrum

[meager echo]

You don't need focus target, If you crit only one, you can kill crushers.

[edgy fulcrum]

oh there was another video. i was referring to the one recently posted

[azure narwhal]

Ohhhhh

[edgy fulcrum]

no. this one

like it looks like a frame before the second push attack there was a light attack snuck in

[azure narwhal]

There is

I use the same power falch and the same combo

It's overhead into thrust

With good timing

That happens

Take weapon specialist

Make it quicker

[edgy fulcrum]

what would be the inputs

i think i just have the timing off but i want to make sure im even doing the right combo

is it just push attack, light after overhead, then another push attack

[tepid otter]

I think its PA, L1, repeat. From what I know as well

[edgy fulcrum]

ok so its just a timing thing then

[tepid otter]

Yeah, it took me some practice lmao

[edgy fulcrum]

i can see the thrust coming out, but it doesnt connect whenever i try to cancel it

im assuming this is also with the attack speed talent right

[tepid otter]

I don't have it, personally.

I place the extra talent somewhere else, but you can try with and without it

See which one you like more

[limber karma]

is this perk overrated?

[ivory trail]

Personally I never trust %.

[limber karma]

seems like the up time for this buff is very high in havoc 40s

wish there is some solid data/tracker on these buffs based on played games

[sharp epoch]

power di

[limber karma]

do you have the link to the latest version? I used some early version of it

can't find the latest one on github

[sharp epoch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/281

[desert valve]

Do you like Gambling?

[limber karma]

yes, much Gamba

[desert valve]

Then no, it's not overrated.

[limber karma]

gambling is a problem though, looking for sane advice XD

[red portal]

It's uptime struggles when you'd need the damage buff the most.

That's all I'll say.

[tepid otter]

Is that like a 2.5% per enemy, im guessing it works the same way with Demolition Team

[grand perch]

Point is better spent elsewhere

Do you have skirmisher here? It's more damage with a guaranteed uptime if you slide or run every 10 seconds

[thin stone]

Can I please get a veteran build ong

[tepid otter]

I got a VoC one if you want it

[thin stone]

sure, is it a meme build? because I want something which is viable upto havoc 40, but I'll start practicing at heresy/damn because that is where my skill level is at currently

I die horribly even in aurics

My game sense and melee skill is a joke

I need to practice for at least 100 hours

[normal bay]

Bath posted this yesterday as a rough build template. Go nuts

[tepid otter]

Here's mine

[thin stone]

what about weapons and curios? I need perks + blessings too

[thin stone]

why not the shcok-trooper node?

[tepid otter]

Uhh hold on, I can't snippet what I have on it atm since its a screenshot as well

[thin stone]

my bad I meant shock trooper node, not ILAS

[tepid otter]

I use Plasma and Falc on that one tho, my curious are two 16% Toughness and a Stamina Curio

[normal bay]

All the nodes you have to spend precious talent points on, which aren't that useful

[toxic reef]

yeah I p much always have two toughness and one stamina curios

[thin stone]

But I like the lasguns/pistols

any of them

except hellbore

[normal bay]

Helbore, my beloved

[thin stone]

Bruh

[normal bay]

Non-believer!

[toxic reef]

helbore is so nice with the marksman's focus buffs

[thin stone]

I like ILAS/Recon more

laspistol is fine too

[spark helm]

If using the helbore feels tough, highly recommend getting the helbore passive charge mod.

Changed my entire outlook on it with an ease of access mod.

[toxic reef]

if you ever want a fun one tho

[toxic reef]

oh I should look in to that

[thin stone]

Ok I'll try this

[tepid otter]

Is it actually like a Machinegun?

[thin stone]

But this is not lore accurate Cadian build

[spark helm]

Hated constantly charging it. In other games, I probably wouldn't mind because even in vermintide 2 it's not much of a pain in the ass to execute because ranged units aren't as abundant. After a while in darktide, it becomes stressful on my hands and as much as I love my LMB gameplay, I'm not gambling with carpel tunnel.

[toxic reef]

nah it's like lasgun fire rate but with charged shots

[spark helm]

I'm well aware. I'm specifically referring to the strain of using a helbore without a mod against the sheer amount of enemies that show up that warrant shooting with it.

[thin stone]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffb5fd9-655c-4fef-86af-187952d06cfb/lasgun-veteran-current

How's this build

I will use this but with Ilas

What changes would you suggest?

[toxic reef]

it works for what it is

[thin stone]

So this build is good for havocs even?

[spark helm]

What difficulty are you playing on most of the time?

[toxic reef]

just a variation of the template posted earlier but made to include shock trooper

I only play auric on all classes

haven't done any havoc since the patch

[thin stone]

I will start with heresy/damn to practice melee and eventually go upto havocs

[spark helm]

Asking Tommy more specifically.

[thin stone]

Is there no build possible which works in both havocs and lower difficulty?

[toxic reef]

I don't know havoc meta besides hearing that everyone is running kraks

[tepid otter]

Think Havoc still has this Plasma Meta since the enemies have so much health there

Idk if an Infatry Lasgun would hold up to that

[toxic reef]

there's a lot of bloated enemy modifers atm

[tepid otter]

I'd say give it a try in Auric Maelstroms first before deciding in Havoc

[toxic reef]

rotten armor, stims, garden

[spark helm]

Got you.

Unsure about havoc because I don't play it yet but at the very least the ilg can be pretty useful for oneself till around auric where it can struggle without complimentary melee and/or grenade options.

However, builds that make their ilg stronger make something like the helbore even better since you actually can use the thing to be more flexible with viable targets for your shooting.

I've seen shooters bring a helbore far more than an ilg if havoc is your goal and being designated marksman as one of your playstyles.

[thin stone]

If ILG is not viable, I can use some other weapon as needed

I guess I'll use helbore

[toxic reef]

las pistol is honestly more viable

[spark helm]

Mhm. I'm just bringing up weapons that fit the same role but have wider case uses.

[toxic reef]

than lasgun

[thin stone]

RIP lore accurate Cadian build

You will be missed

[sharp epoch]

all the grenades choices actually see some use now depending on the modifiers which is nice, havoc meta from what I've seen is still plasma/ds

[tepid otter]

Kinda weird a 40k sidearm does better than a las rifle

[sharp epoch]

also shout ^

[grand perch]

build is called lasgun veteran
looks inside
laspistol

[spark helm]

You might be able to push things more with the heavier hitting ilg but I haven't used it in a while.

[grand perch]

[toxic reef]

the picture is even a lasgun lol

[thin stone]

Lol

[muted peak]

Yeah I geniunely think f loose cannon is a bit loose screwed

[spark helm]

I'm not sure how the other marks fare with the new talents.

[toxic reef]

I just don't ever run lasgun

I'd rather use any other las weapon

[muted peak]

Also guys I need a crowd control chainsword what blessings are recommended?

[muted peak]

mark 2 b:

[thin stone]

Recon lasgun?

[toxic reef]

the ones that proc on 3 hit enemies

[spark helm]

Everybody in this game is out of their minds. Some just have a spicier flavor of nutty.

[thin stone]

I remember some dude running vigilant autogun

On havocs

I saw it on a youtube video

[spark helm]

F. Loose Cannon is great though. She goes from resident complainer over being screwed as a conscriot to just openly talking about desertion and unsanctioned pilfering mid-mission on open team comms.

[toxic reef]

not the most ammo conservative, but it can do a lot of close range damage

I just always have the cadia ones because they have the best shout voicelines

[muted peak]

Does wrath blessing end when you get hit?

[toxic reef]

idts

[muted peak]

Also what is better, wrath or savae sweep?

On CS

[toxic reef]

I go savage

just because I want immediate boosts

[spark helm]

Routinely cheeky too with zealots when they say unhinged shit. She bullies and teases cutthroat regularly when they start brooding but also have random discourse about self-actualization but it all comes across like dudebro podcasters saying dumb fake deep bullshit. She's superstitious about psykers like everyone else but reneges every chance she gets when psykers pop off and start losing it.

She's firmly on the "you're locked in here with me" shit and it's pretty funny.

[muted peak]

Hm

[dapper coyote]

Believe in helbore medium/light bayonets

[toxic reef]

I don't run CS on melee focused builds

[grand perch]

Vigilants are havoc viable now. If you're working up from lower difficulties, I'd recommend sticking with the old reliable plasma+ psword combo

[muted peak]

I like using cs

[toxic reef]

it's a lot better now fs

[muted peak]

Only downside is I cant deal with crushers fast enough

Gotta find a solution for that

[toxic reef]

kraks

[dapper coyote]

Im now lvl 18 on helbores

Wtf

[muted peak]

Shredder is better imo

[junior grail]

Is it mad to take cs to Havoc? Haha

[dapper coyote]

No guns fed to Hadron btw

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-sniper-good-job-gif-2696334070347293281

[grand perch]

You activated my secret trigger word
https://youtu.be/-C0uC1EVh9U

[junior grail]

Talent tree now allows Kraks to accommodate different builds, love it

[toxic reef]

I wouldn't say mad, but it can't really hold its own that well

[dapper coyote]

Oh no, im using the bayonet

Like, i have more kills with the bayonet than the gun itself

I can hold a door consistently with the spiky metal stick

[thin stone]

Then why not use vigilants?

[dapper coyote]

Killing dogs and unarmored specialists

[thin stone]

I don't like plasma gun

[toxic reef]

don't charge plasma gun

you'll prob enjoy it more then

[thin stone]

Oh

[grand perch]

Vigis are just harder to use

[spark helm]

https://tenor.com/view/asajj-ventress-gif-9505492

[toxic reef]

it's prob getting nerfed soon, but it's how ppl use plasma

[spark helm]

That poxwalker that blocked that shroudfield heavy when you were squeezing out the elevator made my heart drop I'm so serious 😂

If i died there I would've had to take a lap lmao

[grand perch]

Yeah that cheeky lil bastard

[spark helm]

In those situations it's literally the little shitheads that pile up that ruin sneaking in those kills the most and I enjoyed every second when duelling sword originally got added.

[thin stone]

https://youtu.be/9FCXMPLzCYs?si=iz1KlsdibrBUk6kX

I like this build

[spark helm]

In thrust, I trust.

[thin stone]

Is this good?

[azure narwhal]

Skipped to the talent tree, and eehhh, some stuff is questionable

Not bad

[spark helm]

The only thing I didn't exactly care for were the extra curio choices but it can hang in auric at bare minimum pretty easily.

[azure narwhal]

But fairly mid

[grand perch]

Power falchion? No

The middest of weapons

[azure narwhal]

I mean weapons regardless the build

[grand perch]

Wasnt meant to react to your comment

[spark helm]

I get yall got the hate for it but it can still do shit well enough up to aurics. The build in question can be a bit better but it wasn't terrible. Could still play and clear just fine.

[azure narwhal]

I am aware, but power falch and most weapons acclaimed like it handle fine even up to havoc 25 and the like

I mean by that logic, never take power sword off of vet

[dapper coyote]

What guns have reflex/holographic sights?

[grand perch]

But Tommy wants to keep using it into high havocs

[dapper coyote]

Ik all Inf lasguns have them

[grand perch]

Exactly

[dapper coyote]

But what about the others

[grand perch]

Power sword is the 100% choice if you want the best

[spark helm]

Fair point. They did say havoc is their goal.

[grand perch]

There is very little reason to use anything else, save for getting sick of more power sword

[dapper coyote]

Do heavy Helbore lasguns get them as well?

[azure narwhal]

If you wanna play like that be my guest but "the best" is by far not needed unless you're doing havoc 40s all day

Been doing havoc 30s with power falch all week now that it's out

0 issues

[toxic reef]

no

they JUST got ironsights this patch lol

[normal bay]

An optic on your precision weapon?

[spark helm]

I got no lived-in havoc experience so auric is my maxed out frame of reference. Most things built decently enough can work just fine in aurics

[azure narwhal]

Everything can work in auric definitely

X weapon all day is one hell of a narrow way to buildcraft

[dapper coyote]

I did see a video that heavy helbore got the optic, (i don't have perms to put any pics sadge)

Probably mod

[desert valve]

Me with Bolt Pistol:

[spark helm]

I mean some people might like that kind of thing. I get it but for me, as I've mentioned, I'll use just about anything as long as it's not torture to use after being experienced enough.

[spark helm]

I didn't save the clip but I popped a shotgunner downrange through the slot in those plate forts leading up to the ritual mission finale.

[normal bay]

It is a mod, yes

[spark helm]

Iron sights all day.

[toxic reef]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/277

[dapper coyote]

Ah ok

I can hit stuff with the irons but imma be honest, the precision gun didn't get precision related stuff is kinda dumb

[toxic reef]

you're rarely in ranges where scopes are relevant anyway

red dots are fine tho

[spark helm]

I don't mind the questions fr but if you want to just go for certain builds, go for it and take them as far as you're willing to go while building yourself up to havoc difficulties. You'll already be raking in a lot of resources by the time you're regularly clearing aurics so the weapons you want to invest in that are more stable in havoc will always be there.

If you want something that's already going to be a solid pick into havoc, there's multiple options to pick from. When you're at that point finally, you can settle on narrowing your choices based on your preferences more easily because you'll have the experience to back it up even more.

[thin stone]

So only PS/DS + Plasmagun is viable in havoc?

[dapper coyote]

Its nice to have, that's all

[thin stone]

Ok thanks

[spark helm]

It'll take longer if you're bouncing between too many weapon options so early because you still don't have nice rolls that'll carry you into havoc just yet to begin with. Keep playing, be mindful of what weapon masteries you're investing in, learn some dump stats that are still relevant and stockpile your resources and other things to just be prepared to pivot and build other weapons later.

[grand perch]

No, it's just the meta.
If you'd like to try vigilant, try Gale's build
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff8b87c-a35e-4ee4-aade-f4af049e15cd/gales-havoc-columnus-iii-build

[thin stone]

How much resources are we talking?

[azure narwhal]

Power sword and plasma for havoc 40 is a solid meta pick but not the only option. Not havoc overall though. If it's havoc 25 and down i personally take whatever i want, i don't feel challenged to that necessity of having to even think of meta. But it does come down to personal skill, some don't care and do well regardless even on higher havocs

[thin stone]

100k plasteel?

[azure narwhal]

You'll need lots of ordo dockets first just to master stuff

Lots

[thin stone]

Ok

[spark helm]

^

[azure narwhal]

Getting the good rolls too

[dapper coyote]

Stack a shit ton of coins

[spark helm]

I'd say this

[thin stone]

I have a good roll for all the weapons that I use

60 mobility rolls

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-money-money-money-money-money-money-gif-16670048503852599108

[dapper coyote]

We needs LODS OF EMONE

To make more LODS OF EMONE

MONEY MONEY MONEY

We need mountains of ordo coins just to feed Hadron shovels or guns that you want to master

[thin stone]

I have good rolls for

• Vigilant Autogun
• Infantry Autogun
• Braced Autogun
• Helbore Lasgun
• Infantry Lasgun
• Recon Lasgun
• Bolter
• Bolt pistol
• Power Sword
• Falchion
• Tac Axe
• Shovel
• Rashad Axe and variants
• duelling sword

[spark helm]

Start with picking a couple of weapons you like. Then, start focusing on getting the 60% dump stats for those weapons and reserve them for upgrades later and then hold on to those. Maybe choose weapons that are a bit more flexible with their viability so you have more variety to avoid burnout if you're not playing other classes. Focus on investing in the best blessings first for those weapons so you always have those choices available whenever you need to change things. After that, stockpile resources to more quickly juice up any other weapon you want to consider using for later to steadily grow that arsenal sooner than later.

[dapper coyote]

If you can't afford to master one gun to bring it the highest difficulty i suggest you use that gun and only that gun to make money

I GOT PERMS

YIPEEEEE

[thin stone]

Nice

[dapper coyote]

Anyways

[thin stone]

Chainsword and ChainAxe too

By good I mean *perfect rolls

[dapper coyote]

The fastest gun i got mastery is helbores lmao

[thin stone]

60 mobility ones

[spark helm]

As in you, you have a copy of those weapons the known dump stat spreads or just comfortable stats?

[dapper coyote]

My 1st day of playing this game im already level 17 in helbores

[thin stone]

This

[grand perch]

Please refrain from posting feet pics in zealot chat for a 24 hour grace period

[dapper coyote]

MMM F E E T

[spark helm]

Okay, now narrow those choices down to what you like using the most. Maybe start with like a pair of ranged weapons and a pair of melee weapons.

[dapper coyote]

The main reason why i got to level 17 on helbores is because of bayonets

[thin stone]

I like las weapons (I guess I'll use the helbore), Autoguns, bolt pistol

[dapper coyote]

I only level 18 at the time lmao

[spark helm]

You don't gotta use the helbore if you don't want to yet. Just pick the ones you like the most for now.

[thin stone]

Recon lasgun

[spark helm]

Alright. Any other ranged weapon family here?

[thin stone]

Autoguns?

Bolt Pistol

[spark helm]

Infantry autoguns can be used similarly to the recon lasgun.

[azure narwhal]

Helbore and recon are definitely the toughest picks, recon does require some talent tree deviation though, shock trooper is not necessary but it does let you shoot stuff all game

[spark helm]

So at the very least recon las and bolt pistol. Got it.

Now your melee picks you like the most.

[thin stone]

Is the recon lasgun good for havocs?

[spark helm]

Wouldn't know but you're not quite there yet yk?

[azure narwhal]

If you use recon take something for carapace melee wise and keep kraks handy

[thin stone]

Fair enough

[azure narwhal]

For havoc both recon and helbore will work

[thin stone]

Yay

[spark helm]

Alright. You're in luck recon seems to be bigger influence here so that's great.

[thin stone]

For melee I mostly use the power sword

[spark helm]

Now for your melee. What do you enjoy using the most currently

[thin stone]

I like shovel too

[spark helm]

You got the hang of using power sword yet?

[thin stone]

I fumble sometimes

[grand perch]

Recon is very potent in havoc, probably still top 3
Now that onslaught is better placed in the tree, you can also use them better on carapace... Though it's still ammo costly doing that

[thin stone]

But yes I can do the push charge cancel

[azure narwhal]

Shovel can work but in comparison to power sword, yknow. I wouldn't recommend shovel + recon in higher difficulties

[thin stone]

So power sword + recon?

[spark helm]

That's okay. You'll be sharpening those habits all the time so it's good that you're already confident with your familiarity.

[azure narwhal]

That's very strong yeah

[spark helm]

Looks like it at the moment.

[azure narwhal]

You won't even need aforementioned onslaught since power sword is just op

Take shock trooper for recon lasgun

[spark helm]

Luckily for you, those two weapons work well in a variety of builds for veteran as well.

[azure narwhal]

Dum dum and inferno

Make sure to have reciprocity (if i can spell it)

Crits are key

[spark helm]

You spelled it right you're good.

[azure narwhal]

[spark helm]

If you spelled it wrong, we'd have to send the rats to carry you away to the black site prison where you'll be left in a room full of legos and not allowed to wear shoes. You got lucky.

[thin stone]

Someone I know told me to use headhunter + inferno with reciprocity

[azure narwhal]

I absolutely love legos

[spark helm]

...good. they're going to be eroded now so that you can't play with them if you ever get sent there.

[azure narwhal]

Here's the thing

Headhunter looked good to me too at first

But HH loses a lot of value on vet

Vet can innately have very high crit

[thin stone]

Oh

[azure narwhal]

Hh won't be doing much at all for you

And for that meagre difference

Taking dum dum and inferno

Will end up increasing your dps output

[grand perch]

What he said

[thin stone]

Ok

[grand perch]

Dum dum increases your fire dot damage too

[thin stone]

Got it

[azure narwhal]

Yeees

Burn the heretics

Go my little pre servitor

Become salvation

[thin stone]

I'll share my build that I have rn

[azure narwhal]

Let's see

[thin stone]

Loading screen stuck

[azure narwhal]

Well

You'll get used to it in time

It could be worse

You could not load anything for the day

I got disconnected 32 times counted from my havoc yesterday

[thin stone]

There are my weapons

[thin stone]

For curios I got 2 x 17% toughness and 1 x 3 stamina

[spark helm]

Turns your recon lasgun into an angry blender bullet hose @thin stone. Easy to keep up, easily plays into the gun's greatest strengths and lets you have a weapon ready that can burn down crowds, light up specialists and most elites (carapace can die too but it's often more efficient to use kraks and your power sword energized single target combos for them) and can absolutely burn down monstrosities.

If your timing is good too, you can melt boss health bars when they're exposed.

[spark helm]

Yep, that's a safe bet.

One of the safest curio spreads.

[thin stone]

Is this weapon perks + blessings ok?

[spark helm]

Good on you for the maxed out bonuses too. My curio luck is awful.

[spark helm]

Yeah. Honestly that's just fine.

[thin stone]

I'll show tree now

[spark helm]

Like that's solid and common. Your p.sword can be your horde helper and armor buster for carapace boys when necessary. Flak and unyielding is a very solid spread since flak is one of the most plentiful types of enemies it's good at killing and unyielding helps with orgryns and monstrosities cleanly.

[thin stone]

Ok that's nice

Actually can you send the tree?

And pls use field improv if possible

[spark helm]

Helps with complimenting recon lasguns flexibility as a ranged weapon.

[thin stone]

I really like that node haha

[spark helm]

I'm not able to at the moment and I don't have a recon lasgun psword build on hand rn. Ask someone else for some templates to work with.

[thin stone]

I think anavar might have a build

[azure narwhal]

Optimally recon has collateral dump and power sword has cleave targets dump and you take sunder instead of slaughterer but yeah good regardless

No i was just busy asf

In class

Gotta sneak this shit

[thin stone]

Oh lmao

[azure narwhal]

Java lecture

[thin stone]

I have a collateral dump recon too

I can change it

[azure narwhal]

I can make full build when i have more tiem

[spark helm]

Try out both over time if you already got it maxed out.

[thin stone]

I don't have a cleave targets dump power sword tho

Why is cleave targets a dump stat?

[azure narwhal]

Oh my god hotfix

[thin stone]

I thought more targets the better

[azure narwhal]

Power sword lacks mobility and it has more than enough cleave due to how strong it is

Well, considering you manage your cycles well

[thin stone]

Ok

[azure narwhal]

Which is

Very easy to do

Anyways they taking my phone away goodbye world

[spark helm]

Psword energized swings with mandatory pwr cycler blessing already covers a lot of cleave needs. Setups taking brutal momentum make this even stronger. The difference between the targets you can cleave is negligible by most people's standards.

I prefer not dumping cleave targets because it feels slightly better for my liking but if you're experienced enough with psword it won't matter and will be down to how obsessed you may be for that number.

[thin stone]

Ok I got a cleave targets 60% one and maxed it out

Yay

[spark helm]

I'd say that for you because you're also still working on sharpening your skills, I'd recommend sticking with mobility dumps to squeeze out that extra bit of horde cleave potential but either one is fine and a cleave targets dump gives you better mobility which makes your defense much safer. That defense and movement also means smoother transitions between offense and defense with weaving your energized strikes during combos.

[mortal aspen]

[thin stone]

Is brutal momentum + power cycler good on power sword 6?

[mortal aspen]

they nerfed Infiltrate

[turbid ibex]

Yes

[thin stone]

Ok nice

[spark helm]

Actually yeah nvm considering what we've talked about before a cleave targets dump for the p. Sword snd collateral dump for the recon las is more your speed because you personally want the 80% mobility too.

You can still fare well with mobility dumps too.

[thin stone]

New setup

New setup go brrr

[spark helm]

It's a bit better on the mk3 for a more horde clear focused slant. It can still do single target but that combination makes it extremely nice on the horde clear. Works well on the 6 too.

Slaughterer and power cycler work better on the mk6 to squeeze out more damage for dropping elites more efficiently.

[thin stone]

Ok

Changed to slaughterer

Still have a fat load of cash left

[spark helm]

It's just a matter of purpose. Either methods are fine and you'll always have the ability to change your mind. Switching out perks and blessings only requires money so that's good.

Just pick the one you wanna really get used to and go from there.

[meager echo]

did they buff plasma gunners. The wording is confusing...

[thin stone]

I'll pick slaughterer

I'll make a tree and send here @spark helm pls suggest changes

[turbid ibex]

Small buffs but it seems they fixed the audio cue timings

[toxic reef]

they made the aiming to be like snipers

[spark helm]

Cool. You'll still be able to bust down hordes just as well and your elite killing potential for carapace enemies has gone up.

[thin stone]

@spark helm

[spark helm]

I'd personally drop the grenade node on the left and take Ws

Just to push your play with swapping between weapons especially. Weapon specialist is really strong.

And because of the weapons you're using, extremely easy on upkeep.

A p.sword by itself just makes melee specialist stacks for free

Maybe drop the attack speed node in the middle because if you take weapon specialist, you'll get an attack speed steroid by default.

and then that point can move to the +ogryn dmg node in the middle.

[turbid ibex]

Or O4B for the extra safety

[spark helm]

Which one is that?

[turbid ibex]

Out for blood

[spark helm]

Yeah, I'm thinking about that one too.

I'm just not sure what isn't exactly needed to stil be effective.

And with this setup, it'll encourage and reward being more proactive with dropping those bigger targets

I'm sure how huge of a difference it'll make but I agree that having out for blood brings in a lot of easy toughness regeneration on top of longshot.

They are also running voc which has a pretty generous cooldown before any possible cdr curio perks

[turbid ibex]

Having better toughness replenishment also means its easier to maintain gold toughness

[spark helm]

@thin stone if you're in-game right now, just go to sefoni in the training mode and test out the damage difference against ogryn targets with and without that middle node at the very bottom (Bring It down!)

[turbid ibex]

Bring it down more like

Bring it up

[spark helm]

I'm just not sure how much it'll matter for them to have it.

Honestly just set the meat grinder to auric as a frame of reference and to the push attack combo on the ogryns after getting your stacks up. iirc,

[desert valve]

ye

use that to feel the build out

then drop into maelstrom to stress test it.

[turbid ibex]

Nah

Go straight into h40

If you dont win first try the build is trash

[spark helm]

I just tested it out. At the very least for auric testing without monstrosities, dropping bring it down doesn't fuck over p.sword headshots on any ogryn.

I guess it's up to you if want at the end of the day but dropping bring it down and taking out for blood instead will even out your toughness generation potential.

One promotes more dps, the other adds some healthy sustainability. @thin stone

[thin stone]

The tree + weapons?

[thin stone]

Ohk

[spark helm]

The weapons are fine where they are.

[thin stone]

Cool cool

[spark helm]

I'm honeslty just gonna try it out myself.

In a mission real quick.

[thin stone]

Oh

My game is updating

Goofy ahh wifi

[spark helm]

If you happen to be on, I wouldn't mind joining you. We can go at your pace with difficulty.

And partner together so I can back you up and you can also pick up on some of my habits during a mission if you got the time/interest.

[dapper coyote]

Mega krak over double krak?

I see...

Mmm

[spark helm]

Mega just guarantees that you'll pop crushers and have a reliable burst button for monstrocity and boss dmg.

[dapper coyote]

Seems reasonable enough

[spark helm]

double isn' awful but I wouldn't say it's necessary and more of a flex option based on preference.

[dapper coyote]

I just took the double krak because its funny seeing 2 krak

[spark helm]

True. it is.

[thin stone]

@spark helm I'm having lunch rn I can't really play

Thanks for the offer tho and all the help and advice

[spark helm]

mhm np do what you gotta do.

about to give it a test run.

[turbid ibex]

Tbh the reason i'd consider taking that talent would be more so the extra grenade rather than the 20% for double

[spark helm]

yeah that's fair and I'd consider it myself. I'm pretty confident in my judgement so I too like having just extra nades to begin with is nice for just busting up larger carapace groups

The person asking for help though specifically is trying to work with builds that are effective and strong enough to go all the way into havoc so having them getting used to that extra flexible toughness gen that you mentioned id' say is nicer. It also gives us enough points for them to take WS which I'd say has a bit more overall value unless I really am just in the mood to gamble.

And I love gambling.

[turbid ibex]

I still wish it had something that would give you guaranteed procs somehow

Like every time you throw a grenade and it doesnt proc the double throw it increases the chance for the next grenade throws by like 10/20%

[spark helm]

I see what you mean.

[turbid ibex]

And it resets once it does proc

[spark helm]

Or they could go the bardin ranger vet route and just give us a chance to never spend a nade as an insurance on the roll. :>

No double? Okay, just no nade spent

Double? Nice, no nade spent too ❤️

chance on spin reset too. Maybe some math to keep that cycle capped.

https://tenor.com/view/hakari-dance-hakari-kinji-hakari-jjk-hakari-jjk-dance-gif-5087158465488164326

Jackpots are fun when armor shearing explosives are part of the bet.

Or just vet nades period.

[turbid ibex]

I prefer the stacking chance increase every time it doesnt proc

[midnight wyvern]

BM, Sunder or Slaughterer are valid choices, power cycler is mandatory

[broken reef]

im curious, was there any builds that actually utilized this?

[surreal rune]

what

[grand perch]

I hadn't even noticed

[midnight wyvern]

neither

[tepid otter]

Imagine tho

I guess wouldn't it still be technically connected

[sudden cedar]

It would. But the idea is downwards connections and not upwards.

[turbid ibex]

Downwards/horizontal

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[crimson pebble]

something happened here

[grand perch]

What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there

[broken reef]

[heavy rover]

vet chat blink twice if there's a commissar with a boltpistol to your head

[broken reef]

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-selfie-eyes-blinking-eyes-gif-16575908

[faint beacon]

I’m going to be dead serious I didn’t even notice

[midnight wyvern]

might be my first over 500k that Ive paid attention to lol

just some random havoc 24 kept throwing bosses

[willow prairie]

mega bloated scoreboard jumpscare

[orchid hemlock]

I'm going to make a resume mod for this game

So I can interview people in the party finder 😈

I can finally be an Indeed agent

[ivory trail]

nah. Mine is a meltagun, it look pretty sick though

[midnight wyvern]

🫃

[torn night]

🫃

[midnight wyvern]

lmao

[cunning haven]

the solo havoc experience
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9566566046815792044/E01917929E23F4486DEFFBF6E86B6AC9685DECE6/

[sudden cedar]

Does not have enough Crushers.

[willow prairie]

holy fov

[steel veldt]

Tried infantry lasgun again

I can't use that thing for shit

[dim escarp]

whats difference between the new bolter

bigger explosion radius?

[tame lodge]

Less direct damage

Bigger Radius

[dim escarp]

i see

[thin stone]

Man fuck this shit

The one game I'm playing well, there's a power cut

I could have at least finished the mission, but the internet cut out

[mortal aspen]

the og bolter doesn't do aoe damage, right?

[sudden cedar]

No.

What is this nonsense emote reaction to everything now about?

@torn night Anything to say to that, since it is you doing that?

[torn night]

I have no rebuttal

[sudden cedar]

Can you do me the favor and refrain from doing so? Would be great.

[torn night]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

[umbral scaffold]

what are the considered best blessing for the mk1 sapper shovel?

i wanna start bonking

[unreal nova]

Skullcrusher Decimator Uncanny.

[serene bough]

Oh yeah shovel has skullcrusher

Forgot

[unreal nova]

Pick 2 of three and you won't go wrong.

[umbral scaffold]

bet

i’m not a fan of flick shoves

[serene bough]

Id wager uncanny + skullcrusher is probably the best

[umbral scaffold]

i prefer the old faithful shit digger

[unreal nova]

Skullcrusher is usually core, with the other two as choices.

[umbral scaffold]

which shovel do you guys prefer?

[unreal nova]

Mk3.

If I take it, it's to crack crushers.

[hollow ibex]

mk1 is the overall best

but mk3 can be funny on meme builds

[tame lodge]

7

[faint beacon]

Mk1 is the most reliable use one

if you're using the other marks for the specials I'd recommend using the chain weaponry seeing they do the same thing but even safer

[red robin]

Bro got ego’d on for having a bit of whimsical fun

[mortal aspen]

society 🚬

[calm shard]

yes, but also make killing specialists have a chance to drop stimms

and then an upgrade to that node that makes stimms last longer

not med stimms obviously

that'd be stupid

[analog mural]

How about giving stimms extra effects too

Like wallhacks for the damage stimms, or grenade Regen on the concentration stimm

[dim escarp]

whats the difference between the bolt pistol mark iv and vi

[analog mural]

The mark with lower damage and ammo has better explosions and a lower minimum arming range for the explosion

[dim escarp]

i c

[analog mural]

Same for the boltgun, but there is also a difference in firing modes

The explosion focused mark is only semi auto

[dim escarp]

yea i was hoping the pistol could go full auto

[ivory trail]

Does the explosion apply bleed?

[narrow frost]

Only the direct impact

[ivory trail]

I can't think of a use case for the new boltgun

[heavy rover]

Stagger maybe? I've yet to test it in missions

[narrow frost]

Mixed horde stagger I guess

But why stagger when other mark kills

[void dragon]

the new bolter seems ok for an hybrid of the flamer crowd control and the bolter snipe potential, but the aoe damage seems a lil low for the trade of ammo

the new bistol is at best a good stagger tool for Zealots and also bleed boost for knifes, doesnt feel worth in other cases/classes

[ivory trail]

I wont mind of the new gun have 30% more ammo then the old. But it go opposite while not killing anything

very odd design

[void dragon]

it can kill stuff, but im finding confusing the ammo drop, it should have the same ammo pool at least

[narrow frost]

The new marks on the bolt weapons are debatably the worst weapons in the game

Bolt pistol mostly

It has no place

[faint beacon]

ever since the stagger change that made them no longer open bulwarks on one shot

yeah

they exist for 0 fucking reason

[calm shard]

it kills fodder enemies around what you're shooting at

the explosion does ~100 damage on exe builds

[ivory trail]

Rumbler but not killy enough and not blasty enough

[calm shard]

which will kill basic shooters if they get clipped by 3 shots

which is surprisingly useful honestly

also bigger radius=guaranteed 5 pinning fire stacks on every shot

[primal zealot]

pinning fire is mid thoughever

[void dragon]

what does the new Bolter and Bistol need to be good? for me at least new Bolter only needs more ammo, the gun still does punch damage in precision, but i could be wrong (Bistol only working for zealot for stagger mini stick is odd too)

[ivory trail]

It is nice that pinning fire work well. But considering it had less damage on the first place it is half of the pinning fire just go back to noraml damage

[analog mural]

There are various ways they could improve the new bolt weapons

More ammo, bigger explosion/explosion damage, maybe experiment with firing modes

[calm shard]

I think the bolt pistol should have increased stagger

for the bolt gun...

[ivory trail]

Just give it more ammo and make it a stagger spam weapon. Wont be very good but at least special and can really do somthing

[calm shard]

higher finesse to compensate for its reduced ammo?

make it like the laspistol but a bolter

[void dragon]

Bolt gun i feel it only needs more ammo, it doubles as flame thrower that can snipe if needed

[calm shard]

boltgun will never be good as a utility weapon simply because it takes way too long to draw

[void dragon]

isnt the vet swap node and the knife cancel of zealot good for it? probably for Arby is not worth tho

[tropic halo]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/601?tab=description This is like a good QoL if only the talent was not absolute dogwater

[faint beacon]

have you know wee woo vet has extremely limited uses in havoc vs never

[bold grail]

for power sword is the only strat to do special, 3 light attacks, and repeat?

[toxic reef]

or 3 heavies

I forgot which mark that can activate while blocking

[narrow frost]

Which mark?

Mk6 likes push attack light light

Iirc mk3 likes heavy attacks more

[bold grail]

mk6. attacks seemed more flat. used both variants in meat grinder and it does not much damage to crushers so i guess you are just better off shooting or nading them

[narrow frost]

What

It can like 2 shot crushers

Power it then push attack their head

That's like half their HP gone right there

[bold grail]

just did that. i stand corrected lol. i forgot some weps push attack isnt just a basic slash

[narrow frost]

Push attacks are often stronger then other attacks

Since it costs stamina to use them

Crusher, power sword, ogryn shield, tactical axe

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-demoman-teleporter-alcohol-sombrero-gif-27002249

So I can larp as the demoman

[gilded wraith]

I need to try that Heavy 1 horde clear version. Get a littles added use out of Sunder.

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent I wanted to ask

How can I make the Agri shotgun busted on Vet? 😈

[tall torrent]

play exe stance

[orchid hemlock]

It's the same answer every time 😭

Why is the Agri busted on Arbi but not Vet

Fatshark pls

[tall torrent]

wdym just play exe stance

it's better on vet

[crimson pebble]

@faint beacon

[sharp epoch]

isn't cause they do more stagger

[faint beacon]

its true

https://tenor.com/view/shark-cable-fiber-bite-gif-16468772

[orchid hemlock]

7 gill shark

What ever happened to the 8 gills? 💀

[crimson pebble]

also ur the vigilant nerd hows the single shot one line up against the other two iv only tried it so far and feels p nice

[faint beacon]

its still good

but the Overall ammo econ and reliance of the Agri and Columnus

it kinda fell into obscure sniper playstyle

Basically the Meta

for Vigils

completely flipped

[crimson pebble]

i do find it funny im p sure the one im talking about outperforms ogryn heavy stubber

[faint beacon]

Column is the best, Agri is still solid, Graia is the weakest solely because of its low ammo econ

[crimson pebble]

when theyre supposed to be doing the same role but ya know ones massive

[faint beacon]

Scab HP buffs

thats why

it wasn't even the gun

it just got powercrept cause of an HP boost to scabs

Anyways Columnus III is fucking insane

Im using more over Agri IX but I still like swapping between the two

[crimson pebble]

ill need to try it next iv been to busy abusing new bolters

[faint beacon]

Good recoil, good ammo, Vigilants usually have to do a follow up shot now

usually

Scab buff is mainly why

but they still can do the classic 1 crit headshot kill

[torn night]

🫃

[sharp epoch]

ogryn heavy stubber the reason its good is you can take zero talents for ranged and still reach good breakpoints

[sudden cedar]

bReAkPoInTs

[tall torrent]

got nerfed comparatively

no more scab gunner 1 shot

[sharp epoch]

i wonder if you can run flak/elite to reach it

[tall torrent]

don't think so

and it's a crit-weakspot hit with deadly accurate + flak

still can't 1 tap

hits for ~2243

[desert valve]

You will take the Kickback or Rumbler.

Gauntlet if you're confident in your aim.

[sharp epoch]

I don't think anyone takes kickback on h40 atleast

[crimson pebble]

had a 2mill dmg game w it once

v good considering it also staggers crushers and maulers

for some reason

[mortal aspen]

it kicks them back

[crimson pebble]

[bold grail]

with the plasma gun, when do you charge shots instead of just spamming them when needed?

[thorn lark]

never

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

M1 M1 M1 M1 M1 M1 M1 M1 M1 M1 M1

[desert valve]

Literally just Blaze Away & Gets Hot.

the Alt Fire is worthless unless you're trying to get a Nurgle Blessed Bomber to fuck off.

[thorn lark]

what do you put on it?

[tall torrent]

Maniac, flak
Surgical, deadly accurate

[thorn lark]

on the columnus?

[tall torrent]

Yea the 3r burst rifle

Headhunter is good too

But I think given the recoil of the burst, you’re prob better off with surgical for longer ranged shots

Headhunter is better for close range rapid fire

[sudden cedar]

Would a crit from Surgical affect all three bullets?

[tall torrent]

Yes