veteran-class

[dapper coyote]

Wiping the floor with 200rnds of doom

[elder vessel]

Until you need to reload

[dapper pier]

Oh well

Thats what the shovels for

Scooping up bullets

[spark helm]

How's shock maul these days for veteran? Anything notable? Thinking of giving it a try again so anyone that really likes the thing can lmk what yall think.

[leaden condor]

Funny shock stick

I like it for self defense but im no vet expert

[distant plaza]

i haven't used it since the patch
it...was safe staggering things

[dapper coyote]

Stun locker

• AP + decent crowd control

You can stun lock the living fuck out of a brute and let your team take care of it

Or stun a rager, smack his head (3 lights or 1 heavy)

[hollow ibex]

Mid

[tame lodge]

Really sucks against monstrosities

[void dragon]

Imo it's quite good skullcrusher debuff stick, as well as decent cc and Shield breaker, so it isn't the best weapon for self defense, but it can do the job and can help a team

[tame lodge]

Bring the good bolter

Or Vraks5

Or Agrivolver

Or Zarona Shotgun

[worldly dagger]

my homie

[pseudo fiber]

Great for poking captain shields though

So if you got a thammer zealot friend then you make quite the duo

[woven oak]

What is the current opinion on the power falchion? To me, it looks like a 10/10 for style, but not worth picking over the regular power sword.

[faint beacon]

Honestly run chainaxe

[hollow ibex]

fun but bad

[woven oak]

Which one?

[faint beacon]

It does Shauls job of shield shredding better with the added benefit of killing carapace and good horde clear

[woven oak]

Okay, so what I thought. Stylish and fun, but not actually very good.

[faint beacon]

Up to personal preference

[hollow ibex]

yeah single target powered up damage is actually not bad

but unpowered damage is fucking terrible

and horde clear is mid as fuck

and no stagger

it's like fatshart learned nothing about why people lik relic blade besides hurr durr heat meter

i'd use it as a ranged builde sidearm

but wouldn't take it as a main weapon, because when the power goes off, you're just kinda fucked

[woven oak]

Unfortunate. Here I was hoping it would be a great horde clear weapon so I could slash through heretics like a pirate

[hollow ibex]

i still think it's fun

and i take it for style and funny electric cackling

but yeah, could use some help

[tall torrent]

XII

[tender pasture]

Not IV?

[tall torrent]

XII got the bulk of the buffs this patch

[hollow ibex]

good

i prefer it over the IV anyway

XII is just rashad at home with chain engine attached

[woven oak]

XII is more fun. I don't love the horde clear combo for IV.

XII appeals to the unga bunga brain

[atomic void]

i facetank bosses with IV on marty zealot

just spam lights

[void dragon]

I tried it briefly, what changed for the XII? I initially thought it was just hitbox adjustments

[tender pasture]

I preferred the IV, made a note to give the XII a proper go

[normal bay]

I never thought I would see the day

[tender pasture]

The lights on the XII just feel very wiffle batty

[woven oak]

Is it wrong of me to judge Veteran builds that don't have Iron Will?

[void dragon]

I would say so, but not iron will seem like a decent enough metric to be sceptical

[mortal aspen]

stability ok to drop on combat shotty?

[tall torrent]

light diagonal attacks' CDDC gone, now deals dmg past 4th target
push stab attack's stagger increased from 15 to 17.5, with flak impact ADM increased

previous stagger for the push stab attack:
7.5 maniac (light stagger vs dreg rager)
7.5 flak (light stagger vs scab rager)
26.25 carapace
15 all else

current stagger for the push stab attack:
15.75 maniac (medium stagger vs dreg rager)
8.75 flak (still light stagger but duration slightly better)
30.62 carapace
17.5 all else

also XII's light sweep do significantly more dmg vs flak than vs other armor types

which makes it scale better towards the scab enemy hp buffs

[woven oak]

Is a genuine question in this case. I don't know enough about the non-Psyker trees to know what is and isn't suspect in a build. I mostly just copy whatever build Path posts

[tall torrent]

it affects pellet spread accuracy

[mortal aspen]

right. is it significant?

[void dragon]

Neat, are the old perks and blessings for the Chaxes still relevant? Will try to build one to fully try it out on some actual games

[tall torrent]

flak, carapace, headtaker, slaughterer

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17675318255614870634/F8D0C6C1C54AB92D4CDD0A6FB72A3B3A82A97FEC/

[tender pasture]

Thrust more relevant on Zealot?

[tall torrent]

nah just slaughterer

also tbh I like chainaxe on vet more than on zealot

[hollow ibex]

no

[atomic void]

better breakpoints?

[hollow ibex]

not taking iron will on vet is trolling

esp now that it was moved up to the top half of the tree and nearly impossible to not take lol

[void dragon]

"Just don't get hit" -noob vet that's about to kick the bucket in the first seconds of the game

[hollow ibex]

true

iron will is a crutch

simply don't get hit and you won't need iron will

[woven oak]

This is what I thought

[void dragon]

Vet is strong but not arby/ogryn levels of impervious to damage

[tender pasture]

But more utility and very high damage

[void dragon]

As it should be

[tender pasture]

Nah, gotta find niches for every class

I find I enjoy playing with vets a lot more in Havoc

In maelstrom and auric there's not enough shit for them to shoot and fight

[void dragon]

Ogryn: big tank, lots of stagger, can make escape routes in a pinch
Arby: good all rounder with above average defenses and damage, little less utility but can build for it.
Psyker: immense damage, specially geared to aoe, can use staffs for unique styles of cc and damage, a little glassjaw than others even if now is bulkier
Veteran: good gun damage and utility in perks and blitzes, can get in melee combat build right (still have to figure weaknesses)
Zealot: idk, I just started playing with it

[thin stone]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffb5fd9-655c-4fef-86af-187952d06cfb/lasgun-veteran-current

How good or bad is this build?

I want to use it personally

Shovel + Infantry Lasgun

[tall torrent]

Veteran “the build” lol

[void dragon]

Isn't trench fighting also optional depending of weapon?

[tall torrent]

There’re like 3 melee weapons I don’t take it on

Tac axe, DS, falchion

[void dragon]

Knife? Or you actually want it with

[tall torrent]

Actually this is slightly more conclusive

Orange is choose either
Yellow is flexible choice

[void dragon]

I take that MMF path is still not optimal because fights are still CqC

[tall torrent]

I think it’s worth for knife

It’s actually pretty noticeable

[tall torrent]

No it’s purely due to MF pathing being bad

To reach MF u gotta spend 3 extra points

[hearty panther]

So much useless shit on the way to MF, it's very unfortunate since the keystone kicks ass now

[tall torrent]

For those 3 extra points u can grab way better things on current vet tree

That the damage discrepancy in the end isn’t that big

[grand perch]

why not tac axe? 10% is 10%

[void dragon]

"but I want to Snipir pew pew!" -Dumb ole me

[tall torrent]

Can barely tell a difference

[thin stone]

What?

[void dragon]

Feel that Taxe will heavy/push attack more and that isn't always boosted by A speed

[tall torrent]

It is affected just not by that much

[thin stone]

What blessings and perks on Infantry lasgun and shovel?

The guy in the build recommended uncanny strike

[void dragon]

Not enough to invest in it if you ask me, genuinely can't feel it

[faint beacon]

The illusion of choice simply evolved Didnt it

Lmao

[void dragon]

Is veteran the new zealot?

[faint beacon]

Borderline I’d say

[thin stone]

Bruh

[faint beacon]

You take right side or you’re throwing

[tall torrent]

Basically u can choose blitz and ability and take way more damage nodes than before

[thin stone]

Are the chosen perks and blessings good?

[void dragon]

I'll take my MMF sniper than you very much

[tall torrent]

But structurally it’s still one of “the build”

[thin stone]

For the weapons?

[tall torrent]

U don’t have to run crit chance perk on knife

[thin stone]

I'm using shovel + ILG

[tall torrent]

Laspistol better with longshot than one motion

Infantry lasgun idk

Prob longshot?

[hearty panther]

lul One Motion on a laspistol made me laugh

[void dragon]

I feel that Helbore Mk5 is miles better than any infantry lasgun

[thin stone]

Why?

I wanna use ILG

[faint beacon]

Cause it hasn’t been touched for over 2+ years

Helbore has been buffed

Aka it’s been powercrept out of usage

[thin stone]

The infantry lasgun?

[void dragon]

Inf Lasgun don't feel like they have a niche when the "long distance killer" weapon place has been taken by the helbores

And Mk5 is as fast in shooting and pulling that it just works better by actually killing on body shots too

[thin stone]

Man

[void dragon]

Should the perks like weak spot crit damage bossy be just for melee to ease the damage discrepancy? Or should MMF also boost melee finesse? What would be needed to balance their value?

[thin stone]

Labubu

[void dragon]

Sorry, I also want to like the Inf Lasguns but I just don't see the reason, they aren't the all terrain weapons that one would expect from them

[spark helm]

You genuinely still can run ILG. Some of it's best work is on missions that feed into what it's already best at dealing with. The major difference between the two is that helbore covers options infantry lasgun takes a while to drop. It's also honestly a much easier weapon to use by comparison to ILG in terms of how hard one can push it.

Exestance builds using counter-fire and tactical awareness allow both to shine. Marksman's Focus and the other buffs received from the left tree were pretty nice quality of life changes.

[thin stone]

Fuck it imma play arbitrator

[tall torrent]

Make MF’s pathing good

It’s literally just a pathing problem

[hearty panther]

I do stan the tiny ILG

What is it now? IIb?

[spark helm]

You can still just run the infantry lasgun yk?

[hearty panther]

Comical ammo capacity. Good draw to fire time. Good mobility stats.

[thin stone]

True

I need an ILG build tho, like a complete build

Curios + Weapons + Tree

I'm a noob if you can't tell

[spark helm]

If your trigger discipline is good, you stay on point, etc. Ilg just lets you put down shooters and anything unarmoured to flak. It's a great specialist killer if your aim is above average under pressure (just takes time to develop). Since you're veteran, you just have access to strong melee and grenades that cover what the ilg can't. Getting your basics down with melee horde management is going to carry your downtime between exestance pops.

The biggest downside to consider is usually a matter of durability but the key thing about slotting an ilg in this context is your defensive judgements, risk assessment, target priorities and horde control. Having a drought can be a problem because your buffs are the source of your momentum. This is why counter-fire also gives you a sort of grace period if your kills are slowing down.

[hollow ibex]

Just take helbore 😭

[spark helm]

Your exestance upkeep is unrionically the source of so much of your output. You're essentially placing nearly everything about your personal and shared utility on your ability to keep your momentum as long as possible. One of the best things about this is that managing Marksman's Focus got easier because your melee kills refresh the duration of stacks. It's best to stay at 10-15 as often as you can so everything you can do towards that is just more power to you.

Everything about a build like that gets easier with the helbore because it'll be able to punch carapace enemies and some nice damage against monstrosities. Depending your grenade choices, every extra enemy you can cover with dropping off a headshot spins tactical awareness more flexibly.

It's just up to you with what you want to experience.

[spark helm]

Are you new to veteran or the game period?

[grand perch]

yeah give it 3 years

[thin stone]

I have 400 hours in the game, which means nothing. But I'm a noob who is trying to actually learn now.

[faint beacon]

Darktide 2*

[heavy rover]

You'll have to pry MMF helbore from my cold dead hands

[grand perch]

what i can see happening is a nerf of the lower right side tree

i would prefer making MF pathing better

[spark helm]

Have you started directly leveling masteries yet? If so, for what weapons?

[thin stone]

I have most weapon masteries done

Few remain

[thin stone]

What would be the most noob friendly class in Darktide given that I don't even know the melee dance, or whatever it's called, properly

To practice melee to the point I'm untouchable just because of skill

[steep flower]

Arby

[steep flower]

Psyker

[thin stone]

I know psyker is very difficult

You ain't fooling me

[faint beacon]

Honestly I’d say that’s gonna make people probably head back to Arby lmao

But knowing them it’s a 50/50

[void dragon]

Would love a more detailed answer but ill count me satisfied

[spark helm]

I'd argue veteran is definitely that. It's a very safe class that's easy to build a powerful generalist setup.

[thin stone]

Ok then I'll stick to vet

I just need a build using shovel + recon or laspistol

[faint beacon]

I’d argue not really

[thin stone]

Oh boy

Here we go

[faint beacon]

If you can’t maintain kill momentum and manage your toughness you’re a slightly tankier psyker

[spark helm]

And your builds that can be generalist builds are often easy to use. So with strong fundamental play, you'll be able to feel out those differences.

[faint beacon]

Cause that’s kinda vets whole thing with staying alive vs like

Arby and Ogryn

They have raw Damage Reduction

We only have Toughness Damage Reduction

[thin stone]

Oof

[faint beacon]

I’d say Arby is hands down the most noob friendly

[sleek garden]

i still use the infantry lasgun to good effect

[faint beacon]

Ogryn being kinda second

[thin stone]

What about zealot

[faint beacon]

Middle

[mortal aspen]

you'll only learn bad habits on arby as a new player

[spark helm]

I mean, if you just want something that's potent and simple, arbites is full of steroids veteran doesn't have.

[thin stone]

Ryken claimed Zealot is most friendly

[sleek garden]

But you feel the weakness so bad when you have to fight a Mauler or plasgun

[faint beacon]

I’d say Zealot, and Vet kinda share the same slot

Psyker is not noob friendly

But it’s the most overpowered class in the game

High skill floor and ceiling

[fervent quest]

question: does shock maul special count as multiple hits or just one unique hit? if you have serrated blade is a shock maul special gonna apply crazy bleeds?

[fervent quest]

how recent was this claim cause it made sense like six+ months ago to say this

[thin stone]

Lemme see

[thin stone]

10 months

[fervent quest]

yeah zealot being the most noob friendly and instructive class was true then, now it's probably vet or arbites for ease of use and overall power

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s noob friendly but it teaches bad habits also from how friendly it is

[spark helm]

That's why I brought up veteran.

[dry cloak]

psyker does not forgive msitakes

[hollow ibex]

new psyker tree is pretty braindead tbh

[faint beacon]

I’d argue it’s not as friendly as it seems cause you do need to learn how to compete with your team for toughness uptime and managing your toughness in general

Cause remember

[dry cloak]

yes but still

[faint beacon]

The moment your toughness goes down you become the squishiest class in the game

No longer psyker cause they have multiple DR talents now

Just a dream is worded weirdly

[hollow ibex]

it's not darktide if psyker isn't repeatedly buffed

[faint beacon]

But it’s a fancy DR basically

[hollow ibex]

to the point where it has no weaknesses

[spark helm]

Arbites can still be used to teach oneself the basics and even feel out more specialized builds just because we're talking about arbites. You still have to make the same defensive choices while fighting hordes and dodging specialists, dropping elites, fighting monstrosities, etc. Skills like purposefully popping abilities, managing cooldowns, supporting teammates, etc are all still going to be done.

But the staying power and explosiveness that arbites has isn't entirely shared the same ways as veteran so being conscious of the good habits you can start early are going to be stressed a tad more on veteran compared to arbites. I personally think the most important thing to learn when newer is defense.

[faint beacon]

I’m surprised vet didn’t get minimum

[dry cloak]

yeah i feel alot tankier as psyker

[faint beacon]

1 DR talent

[dry cloak]

iron will for vet

[faint beacon]

Like you FEEL fuck ups on Vet

[faint beacon]

TDR

It’s just incredibly juiced so it feels like it’s DR

Iron Will is insane though

That thing alone carried vets survivability

[hollow ibex]

vet's just getting hard carried by several very strong talents lol

mostly on the right side

[faint beacon]

Usually these consist of Toughness gets dropped and a shooter beams you

Went from full to like 30% HP

That’s why I stress vet is like the pinnacle “toughness tank” class cause the moment it drops you’re utterly fucked

[spark helm]

@thin stone #veteran-class message

[fervent quest]

what guide is this?

[faint beacon]

Upcoming vet guide

Been worked on for over a year they just keep dropping changes

[ember nest]

Im waiting on better DR talents

Irn we just have iron will

And thats just TDR

"Just"

[slow spade]

yeah it's a shame we don't really have any defense talents

[willow prairie]

tbf close order drill + iron will is a shit tons of tdr considering cod stack additively

[slow spade]

would like to be less punished for bs like "oops all plasmas"

[willow prairie]

but yeah once it less than 75% you just get raped

[slow spade]

true, I'm honestly considering getting Born Leader just so I can be in coherency more often

[faint beacon]

Leech off people for Close Order Drill value

Yeah understandable tbh

[fervent quest]

Interesting. Appreciate your perspective on the mk xii chain axe, gonna give it a spin now. Do you recommend dumping mobility or trying to get an axe that splits the difference between mobility and defences as half-dumps each?

[faint beacon]

Dump mob

[slow spade]

ammo regen, close quarters, demo team, and born leader regen wouldn't be the worst idea

the problem is what do I sacrifice 😭

[faint beacon]

Defences let you push attack more

[faint beacon]

Bring it down

Unfortunately

[tall torrent]

this part basically sucks to path

[faint beacon]

It’s nice but I’d rather that

[faint beacon]

Correct!

I’m shocked the clip reserve wasn’t tacked onto fully loaded

So it’s less just

Here’s more ammo

[slow spade]

yeah now that we got the 0.25 node for free, getting the other 0.25 stam delay node is pretty eh

[void dragon]

it should conect to keep their heads down towards the other ones for more flexibility?

[fervent quest]

for free?

[slow spade]

Vet has 0.75s stam delay instead of 1s now

very comfy

[fervent quest]

ooooh I see what you mean, when you said node I thought it was like a "take to continue through talent tree" and I was confused thought I forgot a node

[faint beacon]

Situational

The .75s delay is very generous

[slow spade]

if you get the 2nd 0.25 stam delay node, you start regenning when sliding

[faint beacon]

Besides I think we all adapted to the 1s

[slow spade]

yeah I can definitely see the value as I play Arbitrator

0.5s stam delay is really good

[tall torrent]

it is very good still

but 2 points out of my way to grab

is a hard ask

[slow spade]

in isolation it is, but man that opportunity cost :c

[hollow ibex]

I feel sooo spoiled by vets current stam economy

[void dragon]

should KthD swap with Kill zone?

i fear im to dumb to see the issue to solve in the opportunity cost value

[hollow ibex]

tbh i think all three bottom branches need to just be compressed

by one row

to make it easier to reach the keystones

[tall torrent]

not enough

[hollow ibex]

killzone needs to be buffed

[slow spade]

Keep Their Head Down isn't that good imo

[hollow ibex]

ammo needs to be an optional node rather than a tax node

[grand perch]

there i kinda played your columnus build

its good

[void dragon]

but where should it be? deeper and make more vets ammo deprived?

also, isnt similar on power to desperado but for guns?

[hollow ibex]

could be moved up to the middle like arbi

[grand perch]

its rarely worthwhile anyway imo

[hollow ibex]

or treated as one of these side nodes like on the zealot tree

but yeah ammo really isn't necessary on most builds

[slow spade]

I wouldn't say no to combining it with Lock and Load c:

+25% ammo and +15% mag size would be neat

[void dragon]

because Survivalist aura i bet

[slow spade]

also because vet has so much damage

[tall torrent]

u can alrdy take survivalist on every build

[slow spade]

so Vet doesn't use as much ammo per kill

[tall torrent]

and even before that

[hollow ibex]

that would be pretty sweet

[tall torrent]

u didn't need +25% ammo most of the time

[hollow ibex]

arbis would cry tho

[tall torrent]

u took it because u wanted superiority complex

[hollow ibex]

"how can they get one of our talents, but better reeee"

[slow spade]

they deserve it anyways

[tall torrent]

that and placed somewhere else

[hollow ibex]

then they'd know what it feels like, to get power creeped

[tall torrent]

the mandatory path-through for left should be the stam regen delay node

that'll be peak

[void dragon]

swap buffed fully loaded down and place what in the "tax node" position?

[slow spade]

I'd probably put it up here and just replace Get back in the fight

[tall torrent]

yea same

[slow spade]

because no one seriously uses Get Back in the Fight anyways

[grand perch]

you know what would be neat? marksmans focus switching places with the ammo node. so you can take MMF for cheap and only go further if you want more ranged nodes

other classes have early keystones why not

[slow spade]

would be interesting indeed

[tall torrent]

stam regen delay

[void dragon]

yeah its such a weird perk

[hollow ibex]

that'd be pretty nice

[slow spade]

Vet has a ton of good stuff at the back so leveling Vet is ass

would be cool if some of it was pushed up

[tall torrent]

I'd actually be willing to trade superiority complex for stam regen delay

like, 99% of the time

[slow spade]

yeah I can see that

[grand perch]

being able to regen stamina while sliding is huge

[slow spade]

Arbites spoiled me when it came to stamina

[void dragon]

tbh EVERYTHING spoiled us after using asthmatic veteran

it was so trash

[slow spade]

I wonder how stupid of an idea would it be to take Deadshot Recon with 0.5s Stam delay...

yeah I feel pretty stupid today and I'm going to make it some quickplay team's problem today

[faint beacon]

Kinda? Mfer you’re mid scoring that’s insane for Vet standards before the changes LMAO

[faint beacon]

Don’t even get me started on how good invigorated feels with PA weapons now on Vet

[grand perch]

dunno that happened a lot on MMF builds in havoc pre patch, flame psyker above still

changed around the superiority complex node to bring it down as well

[thin stone]

I absolutely suck at this game

[grand perch]

thats why i said kinda played your build. i made like 2 or 3 changes

[thin stone]

I keep dying on auric even as arbitrator

[tame lodge]

You don't have to

Just pick Tunnel Vision and always replenish 10% stam

[thin stone]

I'm just mid

[tame lodge]

See that's your problem
You're playing Arby's

If you were playing a real class

Like meleeker

Or bumbler

You wouldn't have those problems

[thin stone]

Sybau 🥀 😔

[tame lodge]

Tspmo 🥀

[faint beacon]

Can we have Higui hanging upside like Mussolini

Thanks

[tame lodge]

Part of the song:
The part of the song where they gently open the door:

https://tenor.com/view/logan-paul-japan-forest-i-think-there's-someone-hanging-right-there-gif-2143702326646860063

[thin stone]

Bro is hallucinating

[hexed crystal]

wonder if we'll ever get a plasma pistol

[sharp epoch]

play a harder class itll make you better

[slow spade]

like Ogryn with shield build UwU

[sharp epoch]

revolver veteran is pretty good for learning fundamentals, shoot specials and range elites with gun and whack the rest with melee

[steel veldt]

I forgot how GOOD the combat knife is

why does it do so much damage???

like how?

is it due to Finesse?

I assume light spam for hordes, heavy on face for elite/specialists

[winged bane]

150000 for one good bolt pistol on zealot, first try on a perfect plasma gun

[tame lodge]

Push Attack for everything

And yes it's finesse

[mortal aspen]

not perfect

[tame lodge]

Like 3

[mortal aspen]

[tame lodge]

3 finesse yeah

[steel veldt]

wdym

by push attack

[winged bane]

what do you mean?

[mortal aspen]

those are not the perfect dump stats

[red portal]

Is it 71 thermal that is perfect?

Never used plasma

[tame lodge]

@tired egret

[red portal]

Ah 71 charge

Close enough

What is the real difference between that and a perfect 70/70 split.

Just asking cause I'm curious

[tall torrent]

70/70 is fine

[red portal]

Is it a noticable difference in the fire delay

[tall torrent]

not rly

[steel veldt]

wdym push attack on everything tho

[tall torrent]

what do u think it means

[steel veldt]

no like,

why?

[tall torrent]

because it's higher dps?

[hexed crystal]

is mk IIa the better revolver mark ?

[tame lodge]

Same profile as h1 and H2 of mk6

Which has 6.5 cleave

Okay ish damage distribution

So

Higher dps against single targets

Usable for hordes

Push Attack everything

[willow prairie]

mk6 just spam light attack into horde with bleed

[red portal]

Agrippina is fun as hell but it wastes so much ammo.

[willow prairie]

a single crit is almost enough to 1 shot shotgunner

[hexed crystal]

i'm not a fan of not being able to ads tbh

[willow prairie]

vet have enough crit to make it work

[hexed crystal]

but I've only tried agripinaa so far

[tame lodge]

💀

Your 3 cleave ain't doing shit

[willow prairie]

you kill shit by bleed

just hit them once

flesh tearer + uncunny

[tame lodge]

Or hear me out

You just kill them

[willow prairie]

work better on zealot though

[red portal]

Zarona does more damage and uses surgical hand Cannon usually. Has really good damage to everything but carapace. Feels awkward to use past havoc 30 though.

[tame lodge]

Or I could just go Precognition Riposte on knife zealot

[willow prairie]

knofe just doesn't have enough direct damage to kill hordes

[tame lodge]

And kill shit

[tame lodge]

It does

[willow prairie]

no

well it does kill poxwalker ig

with bleed it kill elites pack

[red portal]

Give combat knife bm and my soul is yours fatshark.

[willow prairie]

Im just fucking lazy to start the game atm but ill send a video somedays

[steel veldt]

huh

[tame lodge]

You don't need bleed for that

💀

It's a knife

Just hit their heads

[willow prairie]

bro is a non believer

[tame lodge]

No I'm a believer

[willow prairie]

bleed give you like 3 times the horde clear

[tame lodge]

You guys just believe in the wrong thing

And that thing you guys believe on is bleed

And bleed knife is 💀

[willow prairie]

bro refuse to try it

[tame lodge]

When you can rock 3 to 8 finesse on knife and kill everything

But nah

Going with bleed

Because?????

And also because??!???!

[willow prairie]

yeah but have you try using the fucking thing

[tame lodge]

Yeah I used lolpp

3 to 8 finesse>>>>>

It's why I know it has 3 finesse

And you can buff it to 8

[red portal]

8x finesse multiplier?

[tame lodge]

[steel veldt]

That's what I am doing

who needs push attack

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Precognition
Precision Strikes
Desperado

Or zealots Duelist

Although duelist got nerfed

[tame lodge]

Push Attack is the highest DPS you can get on knife

[red portal]

What about the special light combo?

[steel veldt]

Bruh

[tame lodge]

Yeah then you swap to knife 6 because their pa is 10% faster than mk3s

[steel veldt]

I just put serrated blade on

I forgot to do that

It does SO MUCH MORE DAMAGE

[willow prairie]

bruh why would you use serrated blade

[steel veldt]

mercy killer

[hollow ibex]

iirc the mk3 PA H L combo is pretty damn strong

idr if it's faster than mk6 PA spam, but it's way safer

[native hamlet]

what blessings do y'all run on achyls power sword

[heavy rover]

power cycler and either brutal momentum / sunder / slaughterer

[willow prairie]

why slaughterer

[hollow ibex]

Psword is prob the one weapon where you should never take slaughterer

[heavy rover]

it used to be handy to keep up against mixed hordes during Final Toll, but these days I've been using Sunder

[hollow ibex]

Sunder is better against mixed horde yeah

[heavy rover]

yeah, exactly

[willow prairie]

sunder increase cleave and let you cleave through carapace

ofc it way better than slaughterer against mixed horde

[surreal rune]

how well does sunder increase cleave

and by what margin

[nocturne mulch]

It doesnt increase cleave

It lets you ignore the armor hit mass

So where your sword would hit a crusher, it can go through the crusher instead

[heavy rover]

also goes through bulwark shields

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah though you dont deal damage to the bulwark

[tame lodge]

400%

Or
Reduces mass by 75%

Same thing

[heavy rover]

it's about keeping bulwark humble and reminding them they're not untouchable

[hybrid plover]

It's literally free dmg and competes with something that's much more situational

[willow prairie]

it's not pathing efficient but ig it work on some build

[hollow ibex]

It’s a tax node you can’t avoid unless you take also a similarly niche option 😭

[surreal rune]

what would be more pathing efficient

[willow prairie]

literally field improv because you alway take ironwill

superiority complex is also mist take

[surreal rune]

unless youre taking trench fighter drill

which is fair

[willow prairie]

if you don't want field improv you need to take tfd to get serrated

[surreal rune]

trench fighter drill is... bad?

[willow prairie]

no it just not that useful on some build

plus it isn't as impactful as superiority complex

[hybrid plover]

You mean tac axe and dueling sword builds

[surreal rune]

nay must one take it but field improv is niche

[hybrid plover]

That's it rlly

[willow prairie]

field improv is pathing efficient

[surreal rune]

it isnt if youre taking trench fighter drill

[willow prairie]

psword also doesn't benefit much from tfd imo

[hybrid plover]

Every other melee weapon does see more significant benefit from tfd

[tall torrent]

Nah

[red robin]

Real?

[tall torrent]

Nah it does

[hybrid plover]

Psword feels horrible without tfd, wat 💀

[red robin]

I always feel bad for skipping superiority complex

[faint beacon]

Notice lack of power Falchion cause it’s bad

[red robin]

What makes skipping superiority worthwhile?

[tall torrent]

If u take marksman’s focus u might not have enough points to afford it

[willow prairie]

there nothing compete with it on most build

[hybrid plover]

Helbore 4 doesn't need superiority either

[willow prairie]

yeah you have to play helBORE

[hybrid plover]

I hate how it still kind of feels like molasses to swing even when it's meant to be a faster alternative

[red robin]

How is Helbore with the 50% swap speed

[willow prairie]

just aim cancel

you don't need it

[red robin]

Is it actually a weapon you can hotswap without feeling like you got glass on your hands

[hybrid plover]

Unnecessary because you can aim cancel

[red robin]

I am lazy

[hybrid plover]

The animation is longer than the actual swap time.

[tall torrent]

Good

Take it

It makes the ads cancel faster

[red robin]

Inshallah

[hybrid plover]

Tbf you might as well pick one motion either way

Since it's not like you're really gonna benefit much from tac reload

[faint beacon]

It’s stagger values are ass that’s why it’s bad

Can’t save yourself from ragers

[tall torrent]

there's more than that

[desert valve]

Ironically enough it performs better against Scab Ragers than Dreg Ragers.

[faint beacon]

Fucking insane that it effects armor better, and then the Dreg Rager just hits you with that admonition stare

It’s a fun melee but holy shit it’s held back

[undone jungle]

zealot chat is useless can yall give me some input instead

[tame lodge]

No

Zealots don't use gun

It's probably Surgical ghost or something

[undone jungle]

yea but that means i cant 1 tap crit headshot flak gunners

[tame lodge]

Since ghost allows you to proc on dodge talents

[undone jungle]

gonna see if flak% elite% is enough to 1 tap them without deadly accurate

[tame lodge]

I don't even know which one is agri

[undone jungle]

2 shot burst one

feels really fucking good rn

[tame lodge]

Oh mk9

[undone jungle]

they made it like an94

it shoots the 2 shots almost instantly

[tame lodge]

Probably headhunter instead of surgical

[desert valve]

Falter & No Respite.

Slap Elite & Specialist damage on the fucker too.

You're a Zealot, not a Veteran.

[undone jungle]

i play every class tbh

i just tried out the 2 shot on zealot and went

holy shit

it feels good to use

[desert valve]

It really does

[distant plaza]

oh wow, the mk 12 chainaxe 👀

[desert valve]

I'd get more use out of the Vigi if it weren't for the existence of Plasma Gunners.

But I've since committed myself to the church of the Bolt Pistol and can pop more heads than the average Commissar.

[undone jungle]

tbh

when i was running blazing piety with deadly accurate on it

[tame lodge]

What does plasma gunners have to do with Vigis?

[undone jungle]

if i rolled well it 3 burst em on auric

[tame lodge]

Just shoot them

2 shot body

[undone jungle]

i think i might do surgical + deadly accurate

falter + no respite is rlly good on 3 shot burst

but it doesnt consistantly stagger gunners to trigger no respite

prob would on arbi tho

so i might tap in on arbi vigil maxxing

headhunter seems better on paper but if the initial shot crits its a 1 tap anyway so ive found it too inconsistent tbf

for the 2 shot*

[desert valve]

That's quite good on the 1-shot Vigi but you run the risk of getting stunlocked by Reapers.

[tall torrent]

not enough stagger

[tall torrent]

just run this

[undone jungle]

ye

ty for giving an actual answer btw zealot chat ignored my message because they were bitching about psyker/arbites being op 💀

[tame lodge]

Eh

Psyker is indeed op

Arby's is mid though

[desert valve]

All Zealot Mains share a single Braincell on loan from the nearest Ogryn.

[tame lodge]

But we're not here to talk about it

Also like

Ranged is zealots 4th option

[desert valve]

Very few learn how to Backstab bosses with a Thunder Hammer.

[tame lodge]

Good luck talking about it there

[desert valve]

Fuckers can sent Plague Ogryns flying with 1 slap

[hearty panther]

Melee, tknife, ???, ranged

[red portal]

Just ignore them

Then ranged.

[tame lodge]

Ability would be the second option

[hearty panther]

He's not wrong I just dunno what the third is.

Oh true

[tame lodge]

[desert valve]

Ungabunga, Knife, Holy Icon, Gun.

And usually that gun is a Bolter or Flamer.

[tame lodge]

Actually if we put ignore it there

Ranged would be 5th option

[desert valve]

Fodder are merely an Obstacle in a Zealot's path to deal yes damage to a Large Target.

Unfortunately that Obstacle is a Caltrop.

And 9/10 don't watch their step.

[midnight wyvern]

servers dying for anyone else?

[desert valve]

They've been shitting themselves since the vet update.

[midnight wyvern]

no

🤝

[desert valve]

Plasma Gun v Bolt Pistol

[faint beacon]

Vigilants mogging “plasma” vets any day 🚬

[orchid hemlock]

I've tried using Vig

I just feel like it doesn't have the punch 😭

Am I doing something wrong?

[sharp epoch]

its swapped plasma gun cant ads

[faint beacon]

Are you running rending strikes

And what mark

[undone jungle]

helbore lasgun vs laspistol tbh

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[faint beacon]

Cause ironically enough the Graia feels weaker vs Agri and Columnus

[desert valve]

The joke is that you're running some sort of HUD uplink to aim the fucker

[faint beacon]

Both had noticeable glow ups

[desert valve]

Because it doesn't have Ironsights.

[tame lodge]

Yeah I can see that

Helbore Crouched animation

Vs

Laspistol firing animation

[desert valve]

Becoming immune to bullets because the Laspistol gives no fucks.

It's funny to just Calmly walk towards 20 gunners while hipfiring your laspistol into the nearest Reaper, simply to get into Smite range.

I understand why Zealots think Psyker is busted overpowered, but then again they'll charge directly at a Gun-Blob without any way to avoid the bullets.

[sharp epoch]

psyker is busted overpowered

[faint beacon]

Perilous combustion alone enables some insane bullshit

[desert valve]

Every class is if you know what you're doing.

[sharp epoch]

not my scoreboard though thats smite scriers

[sharp epoch]

when everybody knows what theyre doing its still busted op

[desert valve]

9/10 of the Zealots I've been forced to Babysit shared the same Braincell on loan from the team's Ogryn.

Because unfortunately the guys on Playstation have discovered what Darktide is.

Unless they're Call of Duty noobs.

Now that I think about it, definitely Call of Duty noobs.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-dog-sleeping-sleeping-dog-dog-sleeping-tiny-eepy-dog-gif-2292331323183720739

While that is true to some extent

Psyker is the most busted

[desert valve]

700 Stacks of Marksman's Focus.

1-shot everything that isn't a Crusher.

[tame lodge]

Doesn't apply to melee

[desert valve]

True, but hitting a Groaner in the head with a Chainsword will reset the counter.

[tame lodge]

And still not apply the finesse boost to the chainsword

[desert valve]

Which means you can immediately return to decapitating every elite within Line-Of-Sight in Executioner Stance.

And many that aren't within Line-Of-Sight

Sometimes I can just shoot through a Building, it's absolutely absurd.

[orchid hemlock]

No, no other class has infinite cleave except flamer on Zealot 💀

Psyker without a doubt is the most busted class in this game and it isn't even close

[desert valve]

Then they forget they're a Glass Cannon and get Evaporated by 2 Plasma Gunners.

This is a PSA to babysit your Psyker.

[orchid hemlock]

Sure if you don't dodge, or block, or use your ability, or all of the above at the same time

[willow prairie]

psyker squishy propaganda

spread it so we get more buff

[orchid hemlock]

I can fight a demon host and take 0 damage as Psyker

[desert valve]

Said psyker will Tunnelvision onto a single Elite and ignore everything outside of a 60° cone in front of them.

[orchid hemlock]

That i don't think is "squishy"

[willow prairie]

literally every "psyker squishy" don't play psyker fr

literally the most braindead class in havoc

[tame lodge]

💀

What plasma gunner

They are a joke

[desert valve]

The 7 that spawned behind the team.

[fair shale]

Theyre such a joke now tbh

[tame lodge]

They are a joke

[fair shale]

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah plasma isn't a problem for Psyker

[desert valve]

That's because you're a Shard Psyker.
You don't have a way to actively vegetate via Smite or Brain Burst.

[orchid hemlock]

Usually the only thing Psyker might struggle on is bosses

[fair shale]

Im sorry what

[desert valve]

Gun Psyker is fun.

[tame lodge]

Notice how I'm still a psyker

[orchid hemlock]

Not taking damage but not doing obscene zealot or Ogryn levels of damage

[tame lodge]

So I should be a "glass" cannon

And plasma should be "evaporating" me

doesn't happen because plasma gunner is a joke now

[orchid hemlock]

I'm a bullet proof glass canon 😈

[desert valve]

That's because you're not a Class Cannon Psyker.
You're a Lawnmower Psyker.

[tame lodge]

So which is it

[orchid hemlock]

My ass 😈

[tame lodge]

Is psyker glass cannon

Or not

[hearty panther]

its schroedinger's warp warrior

[sharp epoch]

ogryns pretty braindead too tbh its just left click spam

[orchid hemlock]

Do we have infinite cleave? 🤔

[willow prairie]

ogryn still have to engage with the melee system

psyker can avoid it entirely

[tame lodge]

Yesnt

[willow prairie]

[orchid hemlock]

Ok thx

[tame lodge]

Shield H2 is infinite

[sharp epoch]

still more braindead even if its not doing as much

[desert valve]

Psykers are either going to delete everything in front of them and then die to a small handful of Specials behind them, or they're going to be a Gun-Schizo surrounded by a swarm of Angry Glowing Bees.

[tame lodge]

But still interacts with carapace stopping

[desert valve]

There is no In-Between for Psykers.

[willow prairie]

bro don't play the class and you can tell

😔

[desert valve]

I do.

And I play it like I play Veteran.

[willow prairie]

yeah but shield

[desert valve]

If you're lucky.

If not, you have to glue yourself to the Psyker and function as one.

[hybrid plover]

Expecting a genuinely insightful answer from the zealot chat was your first mistake

[willow prairie]

I wasn't talking about the ult but ok

[orchid hemlock]

I feel like this idea that Psyker is a "glass canon" is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the game functions

[willow prairie]

never was lol

[sharp epoch]

with ogryn i can feel my brain shutting off psyker im atleast managing peril while dodging stuff

[hybrid plover]

Psyker if you're going by base stats, is a glass cannon tbh

[orchid hemlock]

Because we aren't playing WoW or Skyrim or RPGs

[hybrid plover]

It's the talents that invalidate that after the fact though

[desert valve]

Congratulations, you now understand the average Psyker.

[hybrid plover]

Psyker has pretty bad tdr but a lot of means to retain toughness

[orchid hemlock]

Ah so this what the young kids say: "getting trolled"

[desert valve]

No.

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[desert valve]

It's because none of you here play anything but the Sweatgoblin gamemode.

[undone jungle]

when it's less active you roll a 50/50 if you get genuine good advice or some of the most dogshit collection of words combined into what can legally be considered a sentence

[orchid hemlock]

Nah I'm not a League player 😈

[desert valve]

How often do you play Maelstrom with Randoms.

[red portal]

I just pretend that Francis isn't real.

[orchid hemlock]

Maelstroms? Almost never anymore 😞

[undone jungle]

tbh gandalf builds have pretty much permanent uptime on the 33% tdr on high peril talent

[desert valve]

That's a "never" then.

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's very accurate

💀

[tall torrent]

just a dream:
one with the warp:

lol

[orchid hemlock]

Because Zealot has nothing to talk about tbh 💀

[hybrid plover]

Still multiplying from a base tdr which isn't very good.

[desert valve]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
99% of Zealots all share a Braincell on loan from the nearest Ogryn.

[undone jungle]

eh compared to vet or crit zealot yeah but honestly it's aight. not top 3 but not dogshit unusable

[hybrid plover]

But because psyker can just ignore taking toughness damage through some means, it invalidates that as an actual issue in a lot of cases.

[orchid hemlock]

Zealot is much more execution than the build

But I don't think it's brain dead

[desert valve]

It caps out really fast, especially if there's 5+ bombers.

[red portal]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-geicos-caveman-3doors-down-let-me-be-myself-song-wait-what-gif-20064762

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664591642967408640/1424493827443523785/brainrot.mp4?ex=68e57842&is=68e426c2&hm=22d95b796c6604532348c7549cd48d622a4c62d966a911853190fda5fcb4b0df&
it is pretty much brainrot

[undone jungle]

ogryn-chat is actually fantastic but pubgryns are super bad

[red portal]

Average zealot build crafter.

[desert valve]

It's a 50/50, and for some reason Auric Survivor Pubgryns will be the first one to die on Maelstrom.

[hybrid plover]

Yeah psyker just straight up ignores concerns with toughness by being fundamentally broken

And now it has actual damage reduction on top of that lol

[orchid hemlock]

Looks like a nightmare for my hands tbh

[hybrid plover]

Fatshark not beating the "psyker is our favorite class" allegations

[desert valve]

It's a Universal constant that an Ogryn with the Auric Survivor title will just suck at Maelstrom.

I have no idea what this Phenomenon is, but it's both funny and infuriating.

[lucid pike]

Tips for this achievement?

[frank basin]

gaben newell say spy is his favorite class

[faint beacon]

Rumbler Ogryns

[desert valve]

Run Bolt Pistol.

[faint beacon]

90% of the time

Will always be shit

[faint beacon]

Shotguns work

[red portal]

ASS title in general is infamous for being worn by the worst players.

[faint beacon]

You only need to land half the pellets for it to be considered 100% accurate

[willow prairie]

bolt pistol + just shoot into horde

[faint beacon]

DT jank

Abuse it

[desert valve]

And then you get one who's got the Boss-Shredder gunlugger setup.

[hybrid plover]

I had a grateful experience in a havoc yesterday with two ogryns with rumbler that actually knew how to use their melee

[desert valve]

Ye

[hybrid plover]

Unfortunately

[hollow ibex]

i feel like true rumblergryns have died off

thank god

[hybrid plover]

One of them blew me up with a poxburster

[willow prairie]

ogrynomicon and its consequences

[hollow ibex]

was seeing them every other game in auric prior to the arbi DLC

[desert valve]

Ogrynheimer is still a 10/10 build.

[hollow ibex]

but now i hardly see them

[red portal]

The luckyshot build is still very strong you just have to have a brain about not spamming your ammo into non threats.

But melee taunt is way more fun to have on your team.

[tawdry osprey]

@honest quiver

Do u

[desert valve]

The experience of dunking 7 Rumbler Grenades into a Chaos Spawn melts your brain in a euphoric way.

And then it'll just decide to not proc even once for the next week.

[red portal]

Yeah spamming into the chaos spawn is fine but stop wasting it on a bulwark who's allready half dead. Or shot like 5 nades in a row into a horde.

[honest quiver]

today i literally wore my panthers jersey, some basketball shorts, and my fucked up old steel-toed sneakers without doing my hair

[faint beacon]

Cause they’re fucking boring

Besides Paul is hilarious now

[honest quiver]

there is no swag gap if there is no swag

[hollow ibex]

i don't see that stopping smykers from smyking

[hollow ibex]

what did they do to it?

[desert valve]

Not once in my life have I unironically said "Drip" in reference to style.

What I have is Swagger.

[red portal]

[faint beacon]

Thunder hammer but Ogryn

[red portal]

Both makes me want to shoot myself with the stub revolver zarona mark.

[faint beacon]

Has a long CD on activation

[desert valve]

High-Vis overcoat and a tattered AC/DC Tanktop.

[faint beacon]

Insane CC from landing it

[hollow ibex]

sounsd fun but requires playing ogryn

[tawdry osprey]

Oh you nasty

[honest quiver]

ogryn is too slow 😔

[tawdry osprey]

I'm taking your gay card until you improve

[honest quiver]

shooting as ogryn big fast fun

[undone jungle]

mk3 club but its special is an AOE thunderhammer with a 12s cooldown and potentially the stagger AOE of a maxed out shredder

[desert valve]

Then play Skullbreaker

[lucid pike]

and if another veteran runs scavenger Im just fucked arent I

[desert valve]

Yeh

[honest quiver]

fucked up

[tawdry osprey]

I actually expected your bf to be the down dresser

[honest quiver]

filthy frank user in 2025 what a world we live in

[tawdry osprey]

That's the fucked up part

[undone jungle]

its pretty good but not rlly OP, like a solid A tier

[faint beacon]

I just hop servers till I’m the only vet with that penance

[tawdry osprey]

You have let me down

[faint beacon]

Well did

[desert valve]

@lucid pike Unless you want to use the Bolt Pistol for Horde Clearing until you're back to 0 bullets

[honest quiver]

he dresses really nice 😔

[faint beacon]

That was ages ago

[honest quiver]

i dress up sometimes too but when i'm just working or doing errands i put on whatever i can find

[desert valve]

Turns out that Soda-Can sized APHE rounds are surprisingly good for blowing chunks out of Hordes.

[tawdry osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/drip-drip-dog-dog-fresh-dog-fresh-gif-14316073888977261331

[honest quiver]

literally me when the boys want to go drinking at a bar that's doing trivia night while we just sit outside

[desert valve]

Be the gagglefuck of Loud Idiots chugging Guinness by the Gallon in one corner of the Bar.

[honest quiver]

uhh

ok

[desert valve]

Public Houses are for Tomfuckery and Dickassery, not Community Centre family activities.

[honest quiver]

uh-huh

[steel veldt]

I am definitely a Vet main now

more playtime on him than Zealot haha

[desert valve]

Sneaky Karker spotted

[steel veldt]

Mhm, I don't use Infiltrate as much now due to penaces but I love it

When I get the Marksman Focus penace I am returning to Infiltrate

Also Cutthroat :)

[red portal]

Man pass me some of those ordo dockets

I haven't been over 500 k for such a long time

[desert valve]

Had a moment with a Cutthroat the other day.
My Professional chewed out Cutthroat for being a Cutthroat, the Cutthroat then mentioned Cadia.
And my Professional, on the verge of Tears says "Too Soon."

I am rather fond of how deep the interactions actually run depending on what your Reject's background is.

[fast shale]

Man I really want to like kraks but I dont get the appeal of em

[tall torrent]

blow up the 9750hp crusher in havoc

[fast shale]

Bt what about the cc for the frags? was it nerfed?

[solemn niche]

THINK FAST ! you turn the corner and you see this

what do you do

[tall torrent]

no changes

[spice shard]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-boink-scout-baseball-bat-gif-18381898

[fast shale]

Hmmm usually what weapons pair well with kraks?

[orchid hemlock]

Everything

Kraks are cracked

GOTEM 💀😈💀😈

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/its-about-to-go-down-gif-9416034

free damage

plasma gunners in cqc

i saw that reddit post

OP definitely died

[tall torrent]

they're quite versatile with builds
just don't count on them being ur only source of carapace dmg
also for havoc u need grenade tinkerer to make it 1 hit kill crushers

[midnight wyvern]

lesser target focused stuff, or things to ranged support an anti armour melee, I like using them with PS/Plasma

[hollow ibex]

he started dodging backwards

[midnight wyvern]

since you dont love shooting chonkers with kraks

kraks

plasma

same thing

[solemn niche]

rookie mistake

[fluid shadow]

Crusher go boom

[midnight wyvern]

boss go chain stunlocked

[fluid shadow]

Boss health go brr

[midnight wyvern]

[hollow ibex]

prob got jump scared and panicked

[midnight wyvern]

on auric 4 kraks kills a Daemonhost so if you really don't like them

just take all the nade nodes

[desert valve]

I press F.
Then I decapitate them all with my Bolt Pistol.

Because I've been at 15 stacks of MF for the last 10 minutes.

[fluid shadow]

I run kaboomie vet with the explodey boltgun and all grenade nodes

[desert valve]

The HE Bolter is better for Zealot tbh

[solemn niche]

how so ?

[fluid shadow]

When your team is a bunch of mongoloids the extra cc is welcome

[desert valve]

It's less adept at Elite-Removal in exchange for being able to knock half a horde on their ass with a single click of LMB

[fluid shadow]

Anyone got an efficient infiltrate build

[willow prairie]

or you can use flamer

bruh

the new bolter make the elite bp worse too

[solemn niche]

I haven't seen a single vet play infiltrate since the update

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/stealth-bomber

[solemn niche]

but maybe I don't see them because they are stealthed

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-look-hint-allusion-eyes-gif-15443059

[hexed crystal]

[fluid shadow]

Its supposed to be used for revives and safe flanking (granted you have the -90% threat node)

[hollow ibex]

nah

you use it to stack ridiculous buffs on your frag grenade/bleed DOTs

to carpet bomb waves of mixed hordes

[desert valve]

Good.
It means they're doing it properly.

[hollow ibex]

(VOC is still stronger anyway )

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1422753980957589554/56BA4F1.MP4?ex=68e512a6&is=68e3c126&hm=1b836aad510a9d690dab452addb06c02b9762f0ed64f68f34a519594980a4c6d&

[fluid shadow]

Cloaks are always good when youre playing on uprising and yet somehow the 3 other people are dogshit at pointing and clicking

[lucid pike]

tips for this achievement?

[desert valve]

I run Stealth with the Duelling Sword.

I like being able to poke shit to death.

[fluid shadow]

Arc your throw into the air

[hollow ibex]

just play on hab dreyko or chasm station. there are cliffs/ huge bridges that are way above, with enemies that spawn underneath. chuck a grenade towards a horde or those enemies

done

[lucid pike]

wait a sec can you just throw it straight up?

[fluid shadow]

On occasion

Not all the time

[lucid pike]

on a level without a low ceiling

[desert valve]

Lob it at a gagglefuck of Gunners at the other end of a hallway

[hollow ibex]

won't be enough prob

[desert valve]

Or just play Carnival.

[hollow ibex]

you need a height advnatage to get the range necessary

[fluid shadow]

Or as it says: long bomb

[desert valve]

I got it by accident on Carnival.

[fluid shadow]

Just yeet that fucker across the map

[hexed crystal]

you don't really need a height advantage provided there's enemies far enough from you, levels with long open corridors work too

[desert valve]

I was like Lv9 when I got it

[tall torrent]

throw at group of 5 enemies ~42m away

u want the grenade to airburst

[desert valve]

Just exclusively queue for Carnival and you'll eventually get it purely by accident.

[steel veldt]

I can't even play Exe stance on Damnation

skill issue by me

[desert valve]

Switch to Revolver, Bolt Pistol or Hellbore.

[steel veldt]

I run recon laser

somehow

and still lose

[hollow ibex]

Play VOC until you git gud

[desert valve]

^

Train your aim without Exec while glued to the Damage-Sponge and it'll turn you into John Wick.

[steel veldt]

poroblem

I get swarmed

my aim is good

[desert valve]

Use the Slug Shotgun or Bolter.

[tall torrent]

melee

[desert valve]

Boltgun, Chainaxe, VOC, Smokes.

Force yourself to learn how to aim.

[steel veldt]

I like knife

[desert valve]

It won't be anywhere close to fun for the first 5-10 rounds.

[hollow ibex]

Melee, vault, pushing, grenade.

[desert valve]

But eventually you'll morph into either a Sergeant or Commissar.

[hollow ibex]

There’s always a way out so long as you don’t back yourself into a corner

[desert valve]

VOC is also a good CC tool.

[hexed crystal]

is there any point in using smoke grenades ?

[desert valve]

Makes gunners fuck off.

[hollow ibex]

It’s like psykers bubble but better for anti ranged

[desert valve]

They just stand there staring at the smoke cloud.

[surreal rune]

they're actually decent if one know hows to use them

[desert valve]

Use them as target practice.

[hexed crystal]

Hmmm interesting, might give them a go

[surreal rune]

good support for the team in some instances

[desert valve]

It pairs well with Vigi & Chainsword.

[tropic notch]

What build are you using

[tropic notch]

Think of it like psyker bubble

[hybrid plover]

A good smoke nade user can pretty much cut ranged pressure out of the equation.

[hexed crystal]

I assume with worse visibility ?

[hybrid plover]

Not as useful on auric

[tropic notch]

Basically

[desert valve]

For the enemy, yes.

[tropic notch]

It’s amazing in havoc

[hybrid plover]

But invaluable on Havoc

[tropic notch]

Run savers

[slate carbon]

Did vet loses the CDR node or I am tripping that he never had one in the first place?

[desert valve]

If you're stood in the middle of the cloud you've got good visibility.

[hybrid plover]

Which you should be doing.

[desert valve]

But it doesn't do much against a Rager Blob.

[tropic notch]

He has it but his cdr was nerfed

Atm psyker, oggy, and zealot have absolutely insane cooldown

[desert valve]

But I deal with Rager Blobs by Decapitating half of them in a single shot.
Because the Bolt Pistol doesn't fuck around.

[tropic notch]

Bolt pistol 2 taps them I believe

It’s alright

[hybrid plover]

It works ™

[tropic notch]

Dbarrel >

[desert valve]

It 0.3 taps them if you're running Exec with Marksman.

[umbral harness]

YO IS THIS A BOLT THROWER REFERENCE

[tropic notch]

Exe stance zzzzzz

[faint beacon]

Vigil 1-2Bs them down

[umbral harness]

Lyrics from no guts no glory by bolt throwrr

[faint beacon]

Both scab and Dreg ragers

[hybrid plover]

Exe stance is good though

[tropic notch]

Revolver would be better for it

[tropic notch]

It is I just hate the play style

[desert valve]

The revolver doesn't consistently Collat 2-8 of them.

[tropic notch]

Should

[hybrid plover]

Honestly I really want them to buff infiltrate

[tropic notch]

They did you silly billy

[hybrid plover]

I like the idea of it now but the cool down is just brutal