veteran-class

[normal bay]

Fire rates and damage

And the IV has a strikedown on its bayonet instead of a stab

[steel veldt]

If I had to have made a new Veteran just to become Cutthroat? Shiiiit

[drowsy goblet]

strikedown?

[steel veldt]

OH DEAR GOD

NOT AGAIN

[tame lodge]

Vertical slash

Instead of point and center stab

[drowsy goblet]

aah thanks

tbh im having a hard time choosing what gun to use for veteran, i'll try out the shotgun one mission and probs go back to helborne

[steel veldt]

Officially, a Cutthroat

[willow prairie]

why did i read that as grindr

[steel veldt]

Everyone says tha

[small mason]

"Gojo won" lookin ass

[steel veldt]

huh

[tame lodge]

Jjk

[small mason]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-rip-gojo-dead-satorou-gojo-satorou-gojo-gif-14980512591692681384

[grand perch]

And so another one progresses from the newbie professional voice to jaded, no-bullshit and seen-it-all cutthroat
You took the fast route by not going loose cannon before inevitably going cutthroat anyway

[steel veldt]

The manic energy of Cutthroat just fits me more

me and my sona more*

Currently farming the 250 weapon specialist crit kills thingy...

is fun with infiltrate!

[drowsy goblet]

whats the best grenade for veteran?

[steel veldt]

Imo shredder

[drowsy goblet]

aight thats the one i got

i tried krak but it felt just... mid

[normal bay]

Depends on your build

Kraks are great for armour packs or bosses

[turbid ibex]

They all have different roles

[normal bay]

Shredders are great at stacking bleed across an area

[drowsy goblet]

i barely started the game im lvl 8 on vet and lvl 9 on ogryn

[turbid ibex]

Shredders are the most generalist and best into hordes

[drowsy goblet]

that indeed sounds like my type of grenade

[turbid ibex]

Kraks delete anything that doesnt have a healthbar at the top of the screen

And smokes dont let ranged enemies play the game

[midnight wyvern]

they can do too

if you throw enough of them

[turbid ibex]

I mean that also works for literally everything else

[drowsy goblet]

what guns do you guys consider to be the best?

or fun to use?

[midnight wyvern]

oens that kill enemy

[midnight wyvern]

4 kills a DH

[fiery raft]

i like to use the vraks mk5 autogun alot

its kind of just a fast firing smg

but i love that

the bolter is great too

[drowsy goblet]

rlly want to unlock that ngl

[midnight wyvern]

hellbore is nice, recon is nice, Vraks is nice, Graia vigilant is nice, laspistol is nice, bolter is nice, bolt pistol is nice

guys

guns are nice

[drowsy goblet]

i dont like the full auto gun tbh

also you missed stub revolver

[midnight wyvern]

no

[drowsy goblet]

:<

[steel veldt]

Man WS revolver is so fun

Even though I barely ever get melee stacks

becuase I save it for specialists

the funny oneshot

[fiery raft]

i like ws double barrel

[orchid hemlock]

Yes

[drowsy goblet]

dosent vet also get like, plasma guns?

[mortal aspen]

plasma, bolter, helbore, double barrel, infantry auto

[normal bay]

No, plasma isn't real

Brunt is lying to you

[heavy rover]

Oh thank god the plasma bois got nerfed

[sudden cedar]

Brunt is missing in action for.. very long.. now.

[heavy rover]

And won't shoot through walls anymore

[drowsy goblet]

so far i am enjoying the helbore, but i hate the infantry

[heavy rover]

I personally like the helbore the best

[drowsy goblet]

the bayonet carries it heavily

the charged shooting is wierd

[heavy rover]

Bayonet is handy against ragers, but once you get used to the charged shots, you can clean out a room of priority targets pretty quickly

Admittedly helbore is a love-it-or-hate-it kind of weapon

But if it does click with you, you can do some crazy things with it

[drowsy goblet]

shooting mechanic 6/10 for me, bayonet is 10/10

[small mason]

Fun is shreader autopistol when you're speedrunning.

[heavy rover]

If you want something hilarious you can try the mk V helbore with weight of fire

Ends up shooting faster than standard infantry las

[drowsy goblet]

weight of what

[small mason]

Chainshot weapon blessing

[heavy rover]

Weight of fire blessing.speeds up charged shots

[last marten]

lowkey 700 hours in darktide and never used the helbore.

i dont play much veteran

[drowsy goblet]

oki

ooh i just unlocked the bolt pistol and dueling sword

[heavy rover]

I'm the opposite, I've got all the other classes maxed out but I always fall back to vet

[drowsy goblet]

pls game dont make the bolt pistol unfun im a sucker for bolt guns

[tame lodge]

Don't worry about it

[drowsy goblet]

i guess i wont

[fiery raft]

afaik dueling sword is probably the best melee rn

from what I remember hearing

if not one of the best

[drowsy goblet]

aha

rn i was just using a shovel i upgraded a bunch

[fiery raft]

I was a shovel believer for a while but tbh it's just kind of mid

I recommend the powersword

[orchid hemlock]

DS got nerfed this patch

[drowsy goblet]

oh yeah it does not do much i just want it till i get a chainsword

[fiery raft]

or the combat knife

[fiery raft]

What happened?

[sinful palm]

ds is still op idk what they nerfed lmao

[mortal aspen]

DS did not get nerfed

[fiery raft]

bruh

[mortal aspen]

it was buffed

[fiery raft]

regardless I will never use ds

[drowsy goblet]

chainswords, how good are they?

[mortal aspen]

and the classes using DS got buffed

[fiery raft]

I have no interest

[fiery raft]

im pretty sure chain swords are also mid

[drowsy goblet]

guess im just using mid

[fiery raft]

don't let that stop u

some of the best shit in the game is also boring imo

like the ds

[drowsy goblet]

spent all my cash on that sword

[orchid hemlock]

Sure but in comparison to PS or Rashad with the new talents for Vet

It got dethroned 💀

[drowsy goblet]

i dont even have it unlocked lmfao

[fiery raft]

just use what u think is cool

[sinful palm]

yeah any weapon is good even in aurics

[fiery raft]

chainsword is fine, it's just not op like some stuff

[drowsy goblet]

now i need to save up for a bolt pistol

[orchid hemlock]

CS got buffed but it doesn't solve it's biggest problem

[drowsy goblet]

which is?

[orchid hemlock]

Cara

Well technically any enemy it can't cleave thru

[fiery raft]

Cara?

[orchid hemlock]

But usually that is cara

[drowsy goblet]

carapace armored?

[orchid hemlock]

Cara!

[orchid hemlock]

Si senor

[fiery raft]

ohhh cara

I've never seen someone say cara lol

mb

yeah chainsword struggles against carapace

[steel veldt]

I LOVE CHAINSWORD

I LOVE CHAINSWORD

[drowsy goblet]

yeah i'll just shoot those, easy

[orchid hemlock]

Wait what

No God pls 💀

[drowsy goblet]

what?

[heavy rover]

Not many options on shooting carapace besides a handful of weapons

[drowsy goblet]

fully charged helbore shots go trough

[orchid hemlock]

I think there is only like 2 and a half weapons that actually are decent into Cara

[heavy rover]

Okay yeah helbore is one of them

[drowsy goblet]

its not like i own any other decent gun i sold all of mine to buy the chainsword

[fiery raft]

yeah I'm p sure just helbore and plasma right?

and bolter kinda

[drowsy goblet]

(i hated them)

apparently the shovel is good against them

[tame lodge]

Plasma not really

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah those are all good

But in general you shouldn't be wasting ammo on Cara enemies

[mortal aspen]

revolver

[stable socket]

rotten armor makes all guns bad against them, iirc

[fiery raft]

oh I forgot abt revolver

[stable socket]

it's like 75% ranged damage reduction

[drowsy goblet]

i love revolver

[fiery raft]

is plasma really not as good?

against cara

[tame lodge]

Yup

Took 4 shots against a 3600 HP crusher

And M2 is just ammo waste

[heavy rover]

Yeah, with rotten armour at that rate I'm bringing krak grenades

[full osprey]

Yeah but it’ll get the job done

[orchid hemlock]

Krak gang rise up 😈

[drowsy goblet]

also guys question, how do blessings work exactly? if i put points into them i unlock them for the menu where i upgrade weapons, and i make them better?

[full osprey]

As long as you have the build and perks to support it

[surreal rune]

vigilant autogun with the two burst is good?

[stable socket]

you have to put the blessing on the gun

[drowsy goblet]

builds whats that?

[fiery raft]

huh

[tame lodge]

You unlock at the mastery tab
Then you apply the blessing on the weapon at Hadrons Shrine

You can also consecrate a weapon for random blessings to be applied to it

[drowsy goblet]

yeah so putting points into them unlocks them for the hadrons shrine and makes em better? i got that correctly?

[tame lodge]

Yup

[floral creek]

Big Dom out with a new grenade veteran vid

[fiery raft]

link it pls?

[drowsy goblet]

did ya watch it yet?

[floral creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJTjewOMwi4

It's fresh

I haven't I'm gonna watch it while I'm still workin

[surreal rune]

whats the armor on the right?

[drowsy goblet]

i kinda just put my points randomly on what seems good

[fiery raft]

Ty

[floral creek]

I can't find it on a list someone made, also since I can't see how it looks unobstructed.

[jolly quail]

hello guys

seems like they were reactive about the plasma gunner problem !!

[turbid ibex]

Bye guys

[jolly quail]

thats a decent nerf

especially the removed wall pen

[unborn perch]

So coordinated strikes had a 90% chance to occur…hmmmm lol

[orchid hemlock]

Noooooo 😭

Come back

[umbral scaffold]

savage sweep and rampage are the most optimal blessings for chainsword right?

[turbid ibex]

Wrath instead of sweep

And shred insread of rampage

[tame lodge]

Shred Rampage

Shred Wrath

[umbral scaffold]

and which mk is better?

[tame lodge]

Usually Xiiig

But I'm not sure if the changes shifted the paradigm

[umbral scaffold]

ok bet, i was using that already

trying out a weapon specialist build

with bolt pis and chain sword

i know puncture is a must for the bleed, but should i use lethal proximity since i’m using shredder nades?

[normal eagle]

Anyone have some good ideas for a helmet popper gun? As long as it ain't a bolt adjacent weapon, hate those damn things

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

[frigid shuttle]

Agrippana shotty

[normal eagle]

Fr? Ait, does it have decent range?

[pseudo fiber]

Vigilant autoguns are good too

[normal eagle]

Aren't those the burst fire ones?

I'm not good at remembering their fire modes lmao

[tame lodge]

Yes and no

3 is a 3 burst

7 is semi auto

9 is 2 burst

[normal eagle]

Oh 7 is semi auto??? Damn okay guess I found my gun

I knew vigilant were good blessing wise due to Ghost and shit like that but the burst was fucking up my aim

[ancient path]

chat i bought thigh hows. whats my expected dps and performance increase from wearing them as a 2 piece set bonus

or is the 2 piece a collar and thigh highs

[serene sage]

none of those words are in the bible

[outer wolf]

Is it worth making a build without keystones or is it something from the past?

[drowsy goblet]

HOLY RECOIL FOR THE BOLT PISTOL

[ancient path]

there is no bible in the 4-- wait nevermind

wait is there?

the cockdex asstartes is for the space marines

[drowsy goblet]

also found what gets rids of cara fast, just a bolt pistol

[cunning haven]

should i replace:
reciprocity -> close quarters killzone
agile engagement -> 25 toughness

using recon lasgun and power sword as support. im either at the back holding down left click on just behind ogryn swinging sword.

[serene sage]

that implies Rowboat Girlyman is Jesus

[ancient path]

i know ppl use the written words fo the emperor for stuff but it feels more like imperial stuff rahter than holy stuff

[inland orchid]

holy stuff is more tied to the white haired ladies to my knowing

A vet being a discount shouty does sound a section on someone’s bingo card

[void dragon]

Isn't he son of god Emperor? Then CHECK MATE!

[serene sage]

4 rejects can probably win against the emp frfr

[neon current]

4 DS4 could prolly onetap him

[faint beacon]

The bug where ammo was fixed pretty much helped out the Agri IX is a bit

felt weird with its only 14 bursts (28)

its now 16 and sits at 32 in a clip

Columnus went from 42 to 46

[hollow ibex]

You should use your melee more

[tall torrent]

3r burst gun with mag size indivisible by 3

[faint beacon]

was cause of a bug

no longer now

LMAO

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/894568981946576916.gif?size=48&name=FloppaShake&quality=lossless

[faint beacon]

Its just um

umm

one in the chamber!

yeah!

I was getting on to see how much of a feedback change the gunners got

[tall torrent]

-100 hp
+60% time between shots
+50% aim time
Lower damage
Can’t wall bang

Downside: they bait u like in dark souls now

[narrow widget]

dont replace reciprocity it's good as long as you know how to dodge
agile engagement is a bad node tho

[faint beacon]

Honestly

I fuck with it lmao

I've kinda wanted an enemy that would bait out dodges

[tall torrent]

If ur not swapping weapons often then agile engagement not worth
Reciprocity is always worth tho

[hollow ibex]

Build dependent but AE is good

[narrow widget]

ok if it's like revolver then yeah but usually I'm not swapping enough for it to be worth over toughness

[neon current]

AE is a DB talent

[serene sage]

what is the armor class of the captains/lieutenants in the game?

is it carapace?

[neon current]

flak

[serene sage]

oh I se

[neon current]

what do I even run on PF, cranial / overload + wrath?

feels so weak without a dmg blessing

and no rampage for it

[tall torrent]

Captains are flak
LTs are carapace head, flak body

[faint beacon]

Not really its more like a Hybrid build

I use AE on Vigils and get a shit ton of value from it cause im constantly swapping to gun for killing specials and elites

[tropic notch]

[faint beacon]

Join a Pub

3 psykers all running inferno

:(

[atomic void]

barrel them then leave

[slim pulsar]

well there goes my fun

[serene sage]

Why is this a bad thing?

[faint beacon]

Cause I want to play the game?

I dont want 3 psykers running "Turn the game off" staves to make it a cake walk

[midnight wyvern]

they're all griefing each other anyway

one of them turns the game off

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-let-them-fight-fight-ken-watanabe-watanabe-gif-5687182

[faint beacon]

Power Falchion is no longer a Rashad sidegrade

cause of that fix

It can't stagger ragers

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[hollow ibex]

oof ok that's really bad

[faint beacon]

Yeah dont bother using it

ever

LMAO

its shit

back to taxe I guess

[hollow ibex]

fuck man i want to like it

[tall torrent]

Energized heavy atk still should

[tame lodge]

Just go Rashad atp

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-crying-weeping-sad-mcmahon-gif-9909335632125829822

[void dragon]

Congratulations ObeseFish, you killed your own new weapon

[drowsy goblet]

i love bolt gun on the veteran

[uncut pebble]

It'll probably receive a balance pass soon.

It's definitely underperforming when compared to other weapons.

[drowsy goblet]

which gun/melee?

[uncut pebble]

Like I'd rather take mk1 shovel right now than use it.

[uncut pebble]

Was talking about power falchion.

[drowsy goblet]

ah, didnt know that was a thing

what do power weapons even do?

like, chains rev up, what do power ones do?

[uncut pebble]

Anything it can do, power sword, rashad, or shovel does better.

Power sword is an activated number of swings that do big damage, power falchion uses the same heat system the relic blade on zealout does.

[pseudo fiber]

Become better when turned on

[uncut pebble]

^

Power falchion generates heat when it's on and you generate more when you hit things while it's on, then locks itself out of its activated state if you overheat it.

You can turn it off with your special action or by just swapping to your ranged weapon and back again.

Anywho, power falchion has like a 5 hit bp vs a crusher when it's on, so it's definitely underperforming vs rashad and power sword in terms of elite killing.

And in terms of horde clear, mk1 shovel is still doing better, imo, especially with uncanny working on shredder bleed.

[drowsy goblet]

aha

i just use a chainsword

[hollow ibex]

but yes it's def kinda ass lol

[uncut pebble]

Well, chain weapons have become much better with their recent balance pass for revved attacks.

[hollow ibex]

needs help

[uncut pebble]

2 crits.

[hollow ibex]

you can juice it with your build, but doesn't change the fact that the weapon is still pretty weak

[uncut pebble]

With 1 or no crits it's a 5 hit bp.

[hollow ibex]

mk2 can prob do 4 hits

[uncut pebble]

It can if you crit.

[mortal aspen]

It's wild that a weapon that can kill a crusher so quickly is considered ass

[hollow ibex]

3 hits with crit

[uncut pebble]

I played with testing before.

[hollow ibex]

i mean it still is

[mortal aspen]

DT power creep is stupid

[hollow ibex]

just because you can delete one enemy quickly

under ideal circumstances

doesn't mean it's good

[mortal aspen]

I tried out Shovel Mk1 yesterday in psyk

[hollow ibex]

for one thing, it's total ass when unpowered

[mortal aspen]

even with max rending it takes ages to kill 1 crusher with all buffs up

[uncut pebble]

Consider that rashad doesn't need to be activated for the same number of hits to kill and that power sword will kill a crusher instantly in one activation.

[tropic notch]

You will use psword and you will like it

[hollow ibex]

i don't think falch needs to be psword level

it shouldn't be

[uncut pebble]

Are you utilizing skullcrusher properly to do it?

[hollow ibex]

but it needs to be better

esp unpowered

[mortal aspen]

well yeah, that's partly what I mean - power creep is so ass that a weapon that kills a crusher in 2s is bad

[uncut pebble]

Cause like, I kill a crusher in like 6s with shovel, including uncanny build time.

[mortal aspen]

6s is painfully long

[uncut pebble]

Not really?

[mortal aspen]

decimator + uncanny

[uncut pebble]

Thats including uncanny build time.

And yeah you're not using skullcrusher.

That's why.

Swap deci to skullcrusher.

[leaden condor]

Aren't there less crushers around these days?

[mortal aspen]

can vet even stagger a crusher

[leaden condor]

I see a lot more of other kinds of enemies now

[uncut pebble]

Get 5 uncanny stacks, special poke the crushers head, then instantly push attack the crushers head.

You'll do like a third of his hp in one push attack.

You can even do something like special headshot > push attack headshot > voc > push attack headshot.

[faint beacon]

Special with Mk1 to the head

staggers everything aside of bosses

[mortal aspen]

[uncut pebble]

@faint beacon how do the vigilant changes feel?

[faint beacon]

Better

they're a lot better but still could use the most small ADM changes imo

the Flak ADM nerf caused it to go from Elite Maniac

to Flak Maniac

[uncut pebble]

So they made maniac damage even worse.

[faint beacon]

not really

they made it better

running Maniac was a given

Flak went from 1 -> .7

on all Vigils

so running rending strikes and 25% Flak make up for it

Tbh I think all the other classes could run Columnus seeing it encourages the classic Agri playstyle of aggression

but Vet probably makes the Agri and Graia the best on their class

[tame lodge]

Allegedly

I've run into 12

At damnation

[faint beacon]

no you're not crazy

[tame lodge]

12 AT THE SAME TIME

[faint beacon]

there's still spam packs of crushers

[hollow ibex]

krak stocks have never been so high

[fair shale]

Yes until it is the least ideal moment of the world then its a full crusher bulwark patrol

[normal bay]

They decreased the crusher spawns but increased the spawns

Still the same, they just have double the hp

[leaden condor]

Enemies seem to have a much greater mixture until they suddenly decide to spawn a dozen of one enemy type. I had an entire room full of the chainaxe guys once on damnation

[serene sage]

kinda, I noticed fewer pods, but each pod has like an insane amount of crusher still lmao

[faint beacon]

I really just got fucking flamer 1 tapped

flamer managed to destroy all my toughness and a shotgunner rounding the corner insta downed me

amazing

[leaden condor]

Shotgunners actually using their shotguns? Impossible

[ancient path]

alledgedly.

sometimes they still just kinda send 16 crushers to crush your balls

ball crushing crew coming in give me your balls

[willow prairie]

yeah their spawn is technically altered but then they added rotten armor to havoc lmao

[fair shale]

Someone told me they prefer rot armor to rituals in havoc mm recently

Fuckin escaped asylum patient that one

[willow prairie]

yeah

[faint beacon]

I have now counted like

4 times where a plasma gunner pack shows up

and then is immediately escorted by 6 bulwarks

[sharp hamlet]

Thank you Gacha, very cool.

[midnight wyvern]

[fair shale]

Ik rituals were kinda annoying but all they did was make you walk somewhere

I got fuckin hp buffed crushers coming out of the woodwork rn

[trim badger]

Yes but Havoc has this new modifier called "Rotten Armour" that replaces aome normal hordes with a bunch of crushers, maulers and scab ragers

xdddd

[sudden cedar]

Not a problem for Smite.

[little fox]

Smite psykers need to leave

[sudden cedar]

How so?

[turbid ibex]

with the quit button

[little fox]

Preferably the uninstall button

[sudden cedar]

Are you jealous, Roughneck?

[little fox]

BEGONE FROM MY SIGHT

Memes aside, I would just value more damage than a smite psyker in the majority of my games

[mortal aspen]

isn't smite free green circles now?

because fatshark thought psyker dealt too little damage ig

[slim pulsar]

i still can't match the damage output of a psyker in maelstrom auric

[little fox]

That why smite psyker is so annoying, simply because they're sacrificing their classes huge DPS for some mid crowd control

[meager echo]

I watched some streamers playing infinite smite and still manage to lose.

[little fox]

LOL

[cunning haven]

alright. i usually dodge-slide to build skirmisher but i could probably throw in some normal dodges during my shooting

[meager echo]

Just play the game like normal and have 25- 30mins run. Playing smite psyker = 45 mins+

Once BoN spawn it's pretty much game over if there isn't another psyker on the team.

[little fox]

For some reason they just can't run bubble without smite, it breaks their brain to build any other branch

Spam bubble, hold smite. Quell. Repeat

[narrow widget]

when are we going to unlock the next level of smykers
smyker with flame staff for double the cc

[slim pulsar]

nuclear bomb psyker

[fair shale]

Idk how people play smyker ngl

[grand perch]

i see squad leader build has been updated and continues to be dogshit

[meager echo]

It's strong for how low effort that play style is.

[little fox]

I think Im going to throw up

[tame lodge]

Charged Strike just got buffed btw

[slim pulsar]

i have tried everything to max out my vet dps and i still feel useless

[tame lodge]

[fair shale]

Its so boring tho

For, tbh, everyone involved

[sharp epoch]

THEY FIXED AMMO YARRE

[willow prairie]

it doesn't help that there a smyker in the title screen

[slim pulsar]

is that just having the spotting thing?

[fair shale]

It doesnt help that lightning is cool and normally op in most games

Idk, assail my favorite blitz for em

Looks cool

[mortal aspen]

Smite is fun, you can cope and seethe, but shooting lightning from your hands and stunning and killing the screen is just fun

[meager echo]

I have nothing against smite psyker. But if they do not use bubble it's rolling dice simulator.

[mortal aspen]

for the psyker, not for the team

[willow prairie]

literally less fun than any staff

[meager echo]

One BoN and it's game over

[fair shale]

Tbf

[sharp epoch]

you can max it out but it requires playing perfectly

[fair shale]

You can fight a BoN without Bubble

[mortal aspen]

Smite > Inferno

[willow prairie]

I had situation where i was being eaten by chaos spawn and the smyker just stand there

[little fox]

But why is it always smite? I run bubble on my melee scriers gaze psyker and have no issue

[slim pulsar]

yeah and that sucks. i have to hit headshots every time on units that can turn around on a dime. at least with the stagger fix i'm no longer trying to hit heads that are constantly being shoved around

[meager echo]

To be fair if they stop smiting, the team break instantly.

[narrow widget]

who even made ts 💔

[meager echo]

Imagine playing 45mins+ and get twins + BoN at the end of the map.

[sharp epoch]

not just headshots, the most dps vet is actually melee vet

[meager echo]

Fun !!!

[slim pulsar]

yeah and to be good with that you need to hit weakspots all the time

[willow prairie]

bon is fine

literally useless if you have shield and place to kite

[sharp epoch]

eh yeah but its a horizontal light slash so its easy to do that

[meager echo]

Pretty sure smite psyker take gaze for infinite smite.

[slim pulsar]

what weapon?

[sharp epoch]

power sword mark 6

[slim pulsar]

man i just want to use ds

[narrow widget]

ds 🤮

[sharp epoch]

dueling sword is okay for survival but your not dpsing with that

[slim pulsar]

i like the heavy hit precision

[sharp epoch]

ps6 also has a heavy hit stab too

[turbid ibex]

single target it def can

but against multiple enemies its shit

[sharp epoch]

I think ps6 outperforms it in single and multiple

[meager echo]

Playing vet with DS in havoc is self imposing challenge

[slim pulsar]

you just have to hit heads every time

[sharp epoch]

It's just ds is so good at helping you survive

with the mobility

[turbid ibex]

every class wants to hit heads

[slim pulsar]

my hand hurts

[sharp epoch]

I think it makes playing vet easier tbh, you just lose a lot of dps in exchange for survival

[ember nest]

You trade pressing special every 2 seconds to just using normal qeapon combos

[meager echo]

You can not horde with that thing -> have to take frag -> no smoke into plasma gunner + range twins nade.

[slim pulsar]

more like spamming heavy attacks

and light attacks for chaff

[narrow widget]

combos?

what combos

[ember nest]

About the same combos as ps feels

[final stone]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-nice-bite-lip-amazing-ungh-gif-15649426

[meager echo]

smoke vet = havoc easy mode.

[ember nest]

The wise and mystical:
Push attack
Or
Spam lights

[willow prairie]

yeah

[ember nest]

Honestly if PS had block on activate I would not hate it so much

[sharp epoch]

on havoc you just go near your team mates who horde clear way more efficiently its really just a tool to reposition

[slim pulsar]

hey it has to have some downside

[willow prairie]

ds don't compete with ps6 at all

damage is your survivability

[ember nest]

The downside is it feels hella ass

😭

[willow prairie]

and you do fuck tons of damage

[slim pulsar]

DS is great for clearing chaff if that's what you're talking about

[mortal aspen]

with its zero cleave

[sharp epoch]

not on havoc

[willow prairie]

yeah and with havoc hitmass modifier

you can't do horde clear on ds

[meager echo]

DS is strong contender in auric. In Havoc due to body mass + horde spawn rate buff, Dueling sword can not deal with horde at all.

[willow prairie]

also the stagger got fixed

[slim pulsar]

i just use the 36% extra damage when hitting 3 targets

seems to work fine

[sharp epoch]

still wont clear horde cause they keep coming and theyre a lot more tankier especially with moebian 21st

[slim pulsar]

true

[meager echo]

Without frag, taking Ds you gonna get push back so far or perma stuck in a corner.

[final stone]

Lol dwelling sword has rampage? How do you throat stab three different enemies

[slim pulsar]

light attack

you can spam it pretty quickly

for chaff

[willow prairie]

light attack have no cleave lmao

[meager echo]

1 chaff per light attack due to bodymass buff in havoc.

[final stone]

(I have not used DS since there eas only the one saltzpye rapier variant

[slim pulsar]

and you regain your dodges constantly with the other perk thing so you can keep dodging forever

[willow prairie]

ok he probably watched tanner video

[sharp epoch]

agile

[meager echo]

chaff have 3.0 body mass, DS light 4.5 cleave profile.

[willow prairie]

which is outdated this hotfix

[slim pulsar]

idk i barely played today

[sharp epoch]

tanner has good ideas for basics but hes not the best vet ever

[slim pulsar]

who?

[faint beacon]

what leader build LMAO

[sharp epoch]

hes a ytber

[final stone]

Exactly

[willow prairie]

the femboy bigot racist tidetuber

[slim pulsar]

wtf

[faint beacon]

Don't worry about it, its a cross im willing to bear and correct people who bring in shit takes in Vet chat from him

Still seething with anger with his Vigilant takes

[slim pulsar]

i just like the DS man

it's fun

[meager echo]

DS on havoc is winnable don't worry.

[sharp epoch]

It was never a vet weapon to become with so I never became attatched to it

[meager echo]

Just not the best option.

[narrow widget]

y'know the "Veteran: Squad Leader" build on gameslantern

[sharp epoch]

It's viable on ranged builds where you just wanna shoot

[willow prairie]

gameslantern build are usually dogshit

[narrow widget]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/veteran-squad-leader

this one

[sharp epoch]

and you don't want to spend points on melee talents

[slim pulsar]

plasma or bolter for skirmisher vet

i dont know if i should like plasma

[mortal aspen]

it doesn't look that bad

[sharp epoch]

it skips field improv wtf not a team player

[willow prairie]

plasma is alway better but bolter is more fun

[mortal aspen]

i doubt this is a build for H40, so it's ok

[slim pulsar]

how is plasma better

i feel like dps is way better for bolter

[willow prairie]

hella ammo efficiency and elites sniping

[fair shale]

Plasma has better cleave, more ammo efficiency

Yeah

[faint beacon]

Plasma + DS is still the meta combo for Vet so its basically going no where in the sense of "Use X over Y"

[sharp epoch]

yes more dps but it eats ammo

[willow prairie]

bolter only have dps

[mortal aspen]

wait wait wait

Squad Leader without Born Leader?

[inland orchid]

I like plasma for its cleave

[faint beacon]

unfortunately the stagger fix did effect The Falchion

[mortal aspen]

OMEEEGALULE

[faint beacon]

heavily

[willow prairie]

yeah themed build moment

[narrow widget]

this is the same guide that insisted on longshit and whichever like 50% aura radius node before the rework lmao

[faint beacon]

so its not really good

[fair shale]

The best part of Plasma is when theres 974 enemies between you and a sniper and it just does not matter lol

[slim pulsar]

whenever i use plasma in maelstrom i feel kinda useless

[meager echo]

happen way to offen in havoc.

[faint beacon]

Have you considered the combat shotgun

that or Helbore IV

[slim pulsar]

no, maybe i should

[heavy rover]

I can vouch for helbore

[slim pulsar]

i havent used shotgun in like more than a year

[narrow widget]

I can vouch for bolter

my beloved

[faint beacon]

Agri Combat Shotgun if you want an aggressive playstyle that lets you both hit at range and up close (slugs for sniping)

and Helbore IV if you simply want to click heads

[slim pulsar]

i wish we could all use the arbites sniper shotgun

that thing slaps

[mortal aspen]

it oneshots many things and two-shots everything except ogryns

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah no

play

[sharp epoch]

most helbore vets in havoc fold so fast if they dont got a dedicated team protecting them

[faint beacon]

Agri CS

[mortal aspen]

through 20 poxwalkers

[faint beacon]

if you like the Exterm Shotties

play the Agripinna Combat Shotgun on Vet

[heavy rover]

Helbore mk III also works if you're running marksman focus

[faint beacon]

its fucking vile

[meager echo]

Don't use plasma gun as dps tool, Use it as specialist, gunners deleter. You should be on your melee most of the time.

[mortal aspen]

plasma actually feels like it does good boss damage too

[narrow widget]

the humble bolter

[sharp epoch]

shooting plasma at bosses waste a lot of ammo

[slim pulsar]

yeah if you can manage to hit the head of a moving ogryn

not easy for me

[tame lodge]

Mogged by Agri

[faint beacon]

Probably could toss you a build if you want for it unsure what you want to compliment the Combat Shotgun with though

[faint beacon]

Agri Shotty Propaganda

brings a tear to the eye

[meager echo]

Maybe you should try las gun build for gun centric build.

[slim pulsar]

i'll prob figure it out. i'm guessing i need a focus on reloading speed yeah

[meager echo]

Easier to play.

[mortal aspen]

I'd rather shoot the BoN than come near it

but otherwise, I don't shoot plasma at bosses

[faint beacon]

This talent will be your friend

[sharp epoch]

stab da back itll melt fast

[faint beacon]

I tend to actually not run the reload speed talents cause I just micro shells in downtime

(or use Always Prepared on WS)

[slim pulsar]

im too tunnel visioned to do gun builds in anything harder than damnation. i just can't do it

[slim pulsar]

ye that's what i used back in the day too

for shotgun

can somebody tell me why the semi auto autogun has a terrible bash attack as an alt

what is even the purpose

at least the helbore bayonet can kill things

[tame lodge]

Stagger everything not a boss

[slow spade]

funny

[tame lodge]

Wire stock

Stagger ogryn

[slow spade]

Adamantine stock c:

[faint beacon]

What the double barrel?

if I'll be honest they probably ran out of ideas

[slim pulsar]

lol

[faint beacon]

like the Combat Shotguns have special shells

which serve purposes

COUGH minus accatran

[ember nest]

The double barrel named semi auto autogun

[slim pulsar]

they could have at least given them flashlights

[faint beacon]

Accatran is shit

[slim pulsar]

or something useful

[ember nest]

That would make sense

But

Alas

Swedish horde shooter company

They are allergic to such things

[faint beacon]

Agri Combat Shotgun has slugs which nuke carapace or anything remotely at range

hence its the peak one

[slim pulsar]

the fucking shredder autopistol has a flashlight of all things

[slow spade]

let me grab the barrel of my gun and use it as a melee

[ember nest]

True replace it with the heavy laspistol shove

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon event? for penance

[little fox]

Honestly a veteran in wh40k should be a terrifying monster

Not feeling like I'm shooting marshmallows

[slow spade]

I mean if Fatshark gave us grenade launchers

[slim pulsar]

this is a melee game with gun aesthetics

[ember nest]

grenade launcher

If only

There was a weapon

[sharp epoch]

only psyker can be true ranged class

[ember nest]

That would represent (plasma)

This (plasma)

That got turned into something else (plasma)

[slim pulsar]

nah a grenade launcher would be very different

[ember nest]

For no reason (plasma)

[slow spade]

you act like they are different things

[faint beacon]

urghhh.h......

fine

[slow spade]

give us Vengenance Launchers

[ember nest]

Screw you fruit I want the sun in my damn sun gun

[slim pulsar]

in 40k grenade launchers are multi purpose weapons

[slow spade]

(plasma grenade launchers)

[slim pulsar]

so in darktide they would have alt fire with special shells

[sharp epoch]

i feel like bolters are closer to grenade launchers than plasma

[slim pulsar]

like krak and frag

[ember nest]

You are hallucinating

[ember nest]

You are hallucinating hard

Literally just give plasma trollhammer mechanics

[slow spade]

why choose?

[slim pulsar]

vet and arbites both can use grenade launchers

[little fox]

Why no heavy lasgun, let me one shot anything

[slow spade]

combi-bolters when?

[slim pulsar]

combi weapons are exclusive to space marines and SoB

[ember nest]

There is zero reason the plasma doesn't have trollhammer mechanics

[slim pulsar]

does plasma even have splash

[slow spade]

I can take a space marine

[mortal aspen]

ok

plasma now has 7 ammo

[ember nest]

Ingame I don't think so

[little fox]

Are t hammers a space marine predominant weapon?

[slow spade]

no, it's just bigger

[ember nest]

Not necessarily

[slow spade]

mostly

[slim pulsar]

the funny thing is plasma rn acts more like a long range melta

[ember nest]

Thats my issue w/ it

[slim pulsar]

i hope we get real melta soon

[slow spade]

same

[ember nest]

Its sitting in a niche it doesn't need to be in

[slow spade]

I love the idea of a plasma flamethrower

[ember nest]

Its just a bif fucking revolver rn

[sharp epoch]

from what i read isnt melta more like a concentrated microwave gun that you hold

[ember nest]

Some patterns

[slow spade]

no it's a chemical sprayer that ignites to plasma levels of heat

[slim pulsar]

it's more like a continous beam of extremely hot energy

[ember nest]

GW has largely just moved away from thay though

[slim pulsar]

short ranged

[slow spade]

that's volkite

[ember nest]

Now its a short range superheated vaporization burst

And is represented as such in media

[slow spade]

GW is weird with Melta

[ember nest]

There were times where meltas were beams

[slow spade]

like it changed entirely from its old form

[ember nest]

And there have been times where its been basically a fireball

[slim pulsar]

volkite is more continuous or smth. it's never really explained well in lore

[ember nest]

Lore excuse atm is "they're just different patterns"

Volkite is like a beam of actual energy

[sullen scarab]

Anyone have any fun Agripinaa fanfire revolver builds?

I saw some vids of it being hilarious and want to try it out

[ember nest]

Melta is like a comically strong heat gun instead

[slim pulsar]

melta has varied between chemical and beam

in lore

there's no real consensus

[slow spade]

after seeing the meltas in Rogue Trader, I hope they're chemical

[sharp epoch]

are you sure theyre not the mortis trials infinite shooting builds

[slow spade]

the idea of just instantly bathing enemies in sticky plasma is peak

[slim pulsar]

basically the idea here is a short range high penetration anti elite weapon

[sullen scarab]

Naw I saw someone in the meat grinder lol

[slow spade]

the jar treatment if you will

[slim pulsar]

and we all know about the datamined melta image

[slow spade]

"anti-poxwalker you mean" -average quickplay

[ember nest]

Did you read what I typed or

[ember nest]

.

[slim pulsar]

no i railroaded my autismic explanation

[ember nest]

You know what

Fair enough

[sharp epoch]

ill make one rq

[ember nest]

I do that with planes

[sullen scarab]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1noex72/fanning_revolver_on_new_vet/

i found it, it was thins one lol

but I'm sure you could go down weapon specialist isntead

[slow spade]

oh shit it's 1 tapping without stacks OR exec stance

that's very impressive

[ember nest]

Gameplay wise a huge shotgun that deletes a specific zone

I remember someone yapping about how it "wouldn't be good against big hordes" and like I got unreasonably angry

[sullen scarab]

I know right, its hilarious lmao

[ember nest]

Like if the big fuckoff wall of heat kills a crusher its going to kill the fucking poxxers too

[sullen scarab]

I already have a bunch of good builds so I feel like playing funny stuff like this

[slim pulsar]

fan revolver has been so fun to use since it was released

[willow prairie]

damn psych ward brokey

[slow spade]

my only issue with the fan revolver is it has no pen

[slim pulsar]

even with a bad build it's good

[slow spade]

so it's hard to get good hits on ragers

until it's too late that is lol

[slim pulsar]

you just spam it then

[sullen scarab]

😂

[slow spade]

my ammo D:

[slim pulsar]

if gun can't solve the issue then use more gun

[sullen scarab]

me tbh

[slim pulsar]

that's just the way SM2 does it which is kinda ass

it's not how melta is meant to work in the setting

[hollow ibex]

The fix is really easy if you can change the mod files

[slow spade]

to be fair, it's because melta in SM2 doesn't have much "impact"

[willow prairie]

how lol

[slow spade]

it just kind of staggers them slightly

[slim pulsar]

it's a wide area weapon

like a shotgun

[slow spade]

when it should eviscerate anything it touches

[hollow ibex]

@willow prairie

[sharp epoch]

something like this

[slow spade]

I'm saying it's because SM2 did a bad job implementing it rather than the idea of a "shotgun" melta being bad

[slim pulsar]

and it can't even penetrate warriors doing the shield thing

[sullen scarab]

Thanks, fam!

[slim pulsar]

like HOW

[sullen scarab]

I'll try it out lol

[slim pulsar]

it's a fucking multi melta

it should penetrate a baneblade

[slow spade]

yeah dogshit implementation rather than a bad idea

[sullen scarab]

I like the CIRCLE OF AMMO RELOAD on the top

[willow prairie]

why is my fps dogshit after update again

[sharp epoch]

barely any melee talents though, so it's more of a meme elite deleter

[sullen scarab]

yes lol

should be ok, I just dick around in aurics anyways

[slim pulsar]

they really had to put the 20% ogryn damage so far down the tree huh

and everybody uses it

[sharp epoch]

yes and extra clip size talent will give 1 or 2 extra bullets

[sullen scarab]

I think its hilarious that the clip talent just gives you more ammo even if it's physically impossible

[slim pulsar]

why does vet objectively get the worst team aura buffs

[sullen scarab]

You WILL take Scavenger and you WILL like it

[slim pulsar]

like 5% extra speed or damage

[sharp epoch]

yes your double barrel will have three shots now

[slow spade]

+1% ammo regen is one of the best lmao

[narrow frost]

Someone got mad at me for extra damage 😔

[slim pulsar]

or 1% ammo regen every 5 seconds (nearly useless)

[turbid ibex]

5% extra speed is pretty nice

[ember nest]

Its how it works now

[narrow frost]

Speed is useful

[turbid ibex]

No lmao

[slow spade]

yeah that's a shit take

like objectively

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[ember nest]

James workshop is the one who decides how the metla acts in games

[slim pulsar]

im not baiting i really think it's usless

[calm prairie]

yeah thats just a troll take lol

[slim pulsar]

5 seconds is a long time

[mortal aspen]

you are wrong then

[calm prairie]

your build isnt serious if you arent taking survivalist

[mortal aspen]

it's a lot of ammo for the whole team

[sharp epoch]

fatshark just hates vet canonically 😎

[ember nest]

Pretty sure it acts like that in uh

RT too

[obtuse raft]

How many sets of 5s would you say are in a average run

[slim pulsar]

it's capped at 5 seconds though

[mortal aspen]

it's still a lot of ammo

[dry field]

What's the dumpstat for power falchion?

[ember nest]

Its like the 5% grenade talent

Its small until it isn't

And it turns out to actually be pretty damn useful

[wild summit]

Veteran guide not updated yet correct?

[sullen scarab]

I think its nice becuase it guarantees your team, at worse, always has SOME ammo so you can translate that to a few priority elite kills, instead of just being at 0 as an ogryn gunlugger absorbs every ammo pack in the entire match shooting at poxwalkers

[obtuse raft]

RT meltas have both a cone mode and a line mode.

[ember nest]

That would be

interesting to see implemented

Actually

I wonder if FS would do it as a toggle or as a difference in marks

[slim pulsar]

it is?

[ember nest]

Yes

Esspecially when you are doing content with a shitload of elites

[mortal aspen]

Demo team is what actually lets you spam grenades

[meager echo]

Just don't take survivalist in havoc then see how people react man.

[calm prairie]

if you even get invited without it haha

[slim pulsar]

should i bother upgrading shredder grenades btw

[sharp epoch]

i cant believe they nerfed plasma gunners though sad

[mortal aspen]

nah

[calm prairie]

not really necessary aside from demo team which is basically mandatory

[mortal aspen]

the bonus damage doesn't affect the bleed afaik

[crimson wyvern]

Its always on my mind how much onus is on raw numbers on what stuff gives you damage/ammo wise etc. And never how much value information is or IF something pops off.

The exe stance letting your allies see enemies through walls will never be shown in any stat, but enabling your team to see that Reaper around the corner and kill it, in the alternative scenario where it'd of been a team wipe will never been shown on any sort of scoreboard

[slim pulsar]

also i swear i threw grenades that straight up didnt explode yesterday

[dry field]

Soooooo no one knows what stat is safe to ignore on the power falchion?

[willow prairie]

how do i remove shader cache again

[hollow ibex]

Mob is dump

[sullen scarab]

Mobility

[sharp epoch]

its always mobilty

[empty plover]

Does high voltage on shock maul only work on the special attack? Or also on the lightning effects from heavies, etc?

[ember nest]

Exe stance team wallhacks is actually something I am entertaining now that smokes aren't locked behind bs tax

Synergizes really well

[mortal aspen]

perma wallhacks for the whole team, I used that for the event in auric

[slim pulsar]

i tried krak in auric maelstrom and i was sorely disappointed

[sharp epoch]

whats annoying is pox gas just turns off exe stance outlines

[wild summit]

uh mmm

is that supposed to work?

[ember nest]

Kraks exist to patch a build hole basically

[mortal aspen]

lmao

[slim pulsar]

you have the middle one it's just bugged visually

[ember nest]

If you cant kill crushers with what you have, take them

If you can, don't

[sullen scarab]

Can't believe your skill nodes have Infiltrate, smh

[sharp epoch]

I think you can go up now on certain sideways talents

[wild summit]

no i dont, try it yourself

I made sure it wasnt bugged

[sharp epoch]

I saw a ogryn do it too

or psyker i forgot

[turbid ibex]

Is it actually permanent?

[meager echo]

Krak is very good for instant delete bulwark, stun lock boss. It's very good now.

[willow prairie]

yes it is

[turbid ibex]

I thought it was only for the initial 5s

[mortal aspen]

pretty much

[midnight wyvern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/691960467790233662.gif?size=96

[sharp epoch]

Someone tested it and it extends every time its refreshed to teammates

[midnight wyvern]

a what

[slim pulsar]

i dont find it good with how many bosses spawn in maelstrom

[mortal aspen]

I think it gets extended?

[slim pulsar]

guard super heavy tank. multi meltas are the turbo anti tank weapons

[obtuse raft]

Damn that's great to know it actually works like you'd expect now

[ember nest]

Kraks having another krak

Is actually really fucking nice

You can do the kinds of things you do w/ shredders (keep 1 spent, keep 2 spent if in fight)

[sharp epoch]

#veteran-class message

[ember nest]

Didn't know how much of a nuisance 2 kraks was until this buff

[sharp epoch]

that was 2024 though maybe its changed since then

[grand perch]

it didnt

[slim pulsar]

why do teamates suck so much at keeping their oulines going

[meager echo]

I mainly take it for bulwak. Or you can take frag more versatile.

[slim pulsar]

i can keep the outlines going for like 45 seconds easily

[wild summit]

Here, i think this is bugged

[sharp epoch]

you won't see the outlines unless they take enhanced target priority node

[boreal sentinel]

I don’t like that node

[slim pulsar]

yeah and when they do i only see the outlines for like 10 seconds max

[calm prairie]

kind of a waste of a point, just makes it harder to get your resets

[slim pulsar]

i like seeing what i'm shooting

[sharp epoch]

Idk I've just never seen anyone take it

[calm prairie]

you don't need to take the teammate highlight to see it yourself

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Holy fucking Taxe + Agri CS stocks

[tall torrent]

wats scoreboard

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent

[tall torrent]

nice

[faint beacon]

Might make this a build real quick

[willow prairie]

skill issue ig

[faint beacon]

let people try this out cause holy shit

[tame lodge]

I take it so my team can visually see that I got their backs and that they are safe with me sniping everything dangerous left and right

https://tenor.com/view/superman-superman-smiling-superman-punk-rocker-david-corenswet-gif-18148950362455480157

[mortal aspen]

the whole point is to let your team see it too

[willow prairie]

game still crash with explosion

bruh

[tall torrent]

wat build

[faint beacon]

game crashed

one minute

[tame lodge]

💀

[calm prairie]

I know that, it didnt seem like he did from his message but I guess what he meant was he didnt like vets who dont take that node

which doesnt make sense to me

[willow prairie]

same bestie

[boreal sentinel]

I have ’t crashed only crashed out

[minor stump]

how do people normally stat their hellbore?

[faint beacon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a000df31-bc37-4589-ad46-9b63996b77c6/trench-skirmisher

Refer to scoreboard

Literally threw it together and it just enables extreme aggression

[minor stump]

thinking of splitting charge and ammo dump? maybe alittle bit of stability?

i guess "normally" isn't the right word for a not-so-used weapon...

[tall torrent]

u sure tac reload needed?

[tame lodge]

Stability dump

Full throttle

[faint beacon]

Honestly you probably could dump it

[mortal aspen]

no rending strikes for taxe? for carapace

[hollow ibex]

Yes

[faint beacon]

realizing how much for uptime

[tall torrent]

nah

[faint beacon]

Stagger melee you dont need rending

[hollow ibex]

I love reload talents

[faint beacon]

• Agri Slugs

[hollow ibex]

Esp for agri special shot

[sharp epoch]

wah no trench fighter or one motion?

[crimson wyvern]

Stability dump

[faint beacon]

Again its Tac Axe

neither are needed

[calm prairie]

more attack speed is more damage, and you took a reload talent instead when you're using weapon specialist

[faint beacon]

10% on an already incredibly fast melee

there is 0 point in taking TFD

lmao

[sharp epoch]

more faster

[calm prairie]

is 10% more

[viscid salmon]

what if you wanted to have fun but fartshart said "Glorioum Clandestiana - No ammo pickup"

[faint beacon]

And?

[mortal aspen]

more fasterer

[calm prairie]

its nothing to sneeze at, especially when you've taken a relatively dead node using your keystone

you dont need reload speed if you're not reloading at all because its refilling automatically

[tall torrent]

it technically isn't

[mortal aspen]

does tac reload improve slug loading btw?

[faint beacon]

Yes

[mortal aspen]

poggies

[faint beacon]

thats like the sole reason you take it

makes it way faster to load in

Quick response to dropping a crusher or mauler on their ass

if you're using the Combat Shotty and not really loading in Special rounds then you shouldn't run Tac Reload

[mortal aspen]

not using slugs on agri is a crime

[hollow ibex]

Yeah which is why I like it on agri

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Moment changing a build

[tall torrent]

ok

[hollow ibex]

Honestly I think you can drop always prepared

Doesn’t feel worth with agri

[sharp epoch]

id only run that on db

[faint beacon]

Eh? Yes or no cause You get up to like 1-5 shells

I'd say thats a personal preference pick at that point

Also in regards to Rending you really only run it when a weapon needs it

[hybrid plover]

10% attack speed on tac axe isn't that impactful

[faint beacon]

^

yeah it feels nice

but its not doing much

[hybrid plover]

It's like the one weapon that can do without it.

[faint beacon]

if you're running Vigils for instance

pick up rending strikes

[hearty panther]

Can't hear you over all this wooshing my taxe is doing

[mortal aspen]

ok, but taxe doesn't have good adm on carapace

[hybrid plover]

Its gonna be doing that regardless of if you have trench fighter or not

[mortal aspen]

so why not take it?

[sharp epoch]

i dont play taxe cause im not trying to get carpal tunnel

[slow spade]

There's literally no reason to not take Trench Fighter

[hearty panther]

What they don't tell you about the taxe is that it does 50% extra damage if you make Bruce Lee noises over an open mic.

[hybrid plover]

Thing is already the carpal tunnel enabler in this game

[slow spade]

Like you're just sandbagging yourself if you don't take it

[mortal aspen]

power nunchucks when

[calm prairie]

yeah like you attack faster, you're throwing out more attacks = more damage

[hybrid plover]

Naw if your build isn't running down right side to run into it, you can miss out

[slow spade]

We're talking post-rework vet, you can just path to field improv

There's no "tax" for getting it anymore

[mortal aspen]

there is

[hearty panther]

It is the tax as far as I'm concerned lol

[mortal aspen]

it costs 1 point to take

[calm prairie]

1 point that isnt better invested elsewhere

[sharp epoch]

its really not tax if its optional

[slow spade]

I mean sure you can sandbag yourself

[torn root]

the hoops needed

[calm prairie]

if you're not taking it for preference, sure whatever

but saying its not an objective good pick for any build is wrong

[hybrid plover]

Tac axe is legit the one weapon where not taking that node won't sandbag you though.

[hearty panther]

Your options are GBitF, FI, or SB. If I could do none of the above I would, but you cannot.

[fair shale]

The only time I think field improv is Bad™ is when you miraculously end up on a team that doesn't need nades

[sudden cedar]

Corruption Removal.

[torn root]

or corruption healing ?