pfalchion dumps mobility right?
#veteran-class
frigid shuttle
hybrid plover
you get netted from behind wyd
i literally got staggered by a plasma gunner and then chain netted yesterday actually
hybrid plover
that shit was brutal
it's crazy that smoke grenades are suddenly a much more appealing option because of one single enemy
it's the same thing as people suddenly opting for unarmored damage because of dreg bombers lol
midnight wyvern
anyone ever had their camera get yoinked by someone leaving before?
stole that shit when they left lol
also I had a weird ass spawn of shooters, nothing here now, into
that'd be terrifying in havoc
ember nest
thihs is basically my fucking mood
with the falchion
it's the sword that makes me go "I wish it was better"
calm shard
yeah using power falchion even in mid-havocs it is impressively mediocre
It has adequate horde clear, and straight ass single target
faint beacon
Im genuinely convinced H40 is impossible if you get Scab seed cause like
1 Plasma pack you're cooked bro
warm schooner
smoke 
warm schooner
weird, been using them and just farm plasma packs easily when we stand in it
tropic notch
it's the sword that makes me go "I wish it was better"
I believe sunder would fix its issues
Not as powerful as ps
But up there
supple laurel
is falchion horde clear light spam or heavy light
supple laurel
Im genuinely convinced H40 is impossible if you get Scab seed cause like
here me out
suppression nodes
ember nest
depends on which one you're using
jaunty herald
Mk I is light spam for horde
supple laurel
Mk I is light spam for horde
lawbringer?
jaunty herald
lawbringer?
I mean for Falchion
tropic notch
hybrid plover
da best of both worlds
meager echo
1 Plasma pack you're cooked bro
Smoke hard counter them. But I get your point. Making smoke mandatory in the game mode is an ass design decision.
frigid shuttle
pfalch moveset 
hollow ibex
Smoke hard counter them. But I get your point. Making smoke mandatory in the gam...
they hard counter them if you don't get deleted immediately lmao
meager echo
In my sv, it's book + bubble + smoke + taunt.
Never have problem with them
The only tedious thing is, you have to wait for cooldown to reposition.
There are plenty h40 lobbies now
atomic zephyr
thats what i was doing and it just felt weak
i was getting 1-2 elite kills per mag, it felt like
hollow ibex
Never have problem with them
that'll get fixed soon enough i reckon
hollow ibex
thats what i was doing and it just felt weak
build and blessings?
meager echo
I hope they nerf them, it's very unfun.
meager echo
Players should be able to outplay plasma gunners without smoke/bubble.
I don't like game design that make certain ability/ weapon mandatory or significantly easier to counter certain thread. It's ass and unfun design.
calm shard
you...don't like certain abilities being used for counterplay?
calm shard
boy do I have bad news for you about every single active ability in the game
because every single one of them makes certain enemies easier to kill
that are normally a pain in the ass
atomic zephyr
build and blessings?
exec stance and weapons spec, deathspitter fire frenzy on a mk8
atomic zephyr
they just need to be louder and have a bigger giveaway that they're there
hybrid plover
not enough of a cue to know they're about to clap your shit harder than any other ranged unit in the game other than a sniper
hybrid plover
and they're honestly worse to me than snipers because of the toughness debuff
meager echo
If you play a high stake game mode with demote mechanic, people will be more likely to pick meta stuff and gate keeping off-meta build. Because they don't like to lose and get de-rank. It make the game less fun because less people want to experiment new stuff.
hybrid plover
If you play a high stake game mode with demote mechanic, people will be more lik...
I feel like, there's a much bigger issue regarding this than balance issues tbh
calm shard
talent trees being better means weapon variety is better too
meager echo
There are many winnable build for every class. But the only thing I see in my sv is book, bubble, smoke and taunt. Everytime in havoc.
It could be a sv specific problem.
hybrid plover
There are many winnable build for every class. But the only thing I see in my sv...
bcuz of the demotion mechanic
it shouldn't even exist in this game
i will die on this hill many times over
that is the real issue with havoc and it always has been
it's what creates all of these stagnant metas
proven by the fact that no one really cares what you bring into a 40 because the host can't demote anymore so they can just say "fuck it we ball" with whatever
meager echo
I get why high stake game is a thing. It create a higher high but it also create a lower low.
calm shard
There are many winnable build for every class. But the only thing I see in my sv...
yeah because that's what shitters like running
because they have bad fundamentals
and those abilities make up for that the most
hybrid plover
it shouldn't exist in a game that has a paraplegic hamster on a wheel running the server
meager echo
Unless you play pre-made, why would pubs pick someone want to prioritise his fun over the team winning chance.
hybrid plover
yeah because that's what shitters like running
i run smokes ;0;
i mean i was running them before this update
meager echo
I don't blame the players, I blame the system that create the problem.
grand perch
sister prine has 0 chill
agile mango
is bring it down worth it if I'm using plasma?
grand perch
its usually worth it yeah
unless you want to invest heavily into the lower left and right trees, to get MMF and stuff like skirmisher + exploit weakness, which offer overall damage bonuses not limited to ogryn / monsters
tropic notch
is bring it down worth it if I'm using plasma?
I don’t take it
I honestly go ws if I’m using plasma
paper goblet
this is my current plasma config: use it in havoc missions but struggle at lvl 30 above
hollow ibex
exec stance and weapons spec, deathspitter fire frenzy on a mk8
if i can make it work on the dogshit old tree, you can make it work on the ez mode tree
tropic notch
this is my current plasma config: use it in havoc missions but struggle at lvl 3...
Plasma is flak and unarmored
atomic zephyr
see that’s what I expected to happen
paper goblet
Plasma is flak and unarmored
thanks will change. how about maniac?
tropic notch
Other than that perfect blessing
atomic zephyr
to be honest it’s entirely possible I was playing with people who were absolutely cleaning house
tropic notch
thanks will change. how about maniac?
No need it’ll one shot trappers and such
atomic zephyr
am looking for exe stance, weapons spec with a brauto
tropic notch
Hmmm
jaunty herald
where is shock maul on the vet melee tier?
hollow ibex
where is shock maul on the vet melee tier?
thoroughly mid
WS works fine for brauto
or FT
or no keystone
tropic notch
where is shock maul on the vet melee tier?
It’s alright, not really worth due to the other options and no access to cleave
hollow ibex
because brauto doesn't have any real synergies with anything 
tropic notch
Yeah I said ft for a more generalist approach
hollow ibex
i used to do keystoneless
grand perch
FT works just fine. its so generalist it doesnt really have many synergys with anything
you could argue WS is nice with brauto now since it gives 10 seconds of increased ROF and reload speed now instead of 5
bleak oasis
Ideal PF perks and blessings?
hollow ibex
yeah this is with WS, works just fine
gilded wraith
how's scattershot/manstopper on the db?
hollow ibex
how's scattershot/manstopper on the db?
meta is manstopper + flechette, used with WS
grand perch
Gotcha, the extra crit isn't needed due to WS?
yep, you kill 3 dudes then DB for 100% crit
grand perch
Add the clip restoration for WS?
you'd be stupid not to, 1 free shell reload is crazy good on DB
tepid otter
Whats WS
grand perch
weapon specialist
tepid otter
What about DB
grand perch
yeah its the ammo bug
distant mural
i used to do keystoneless
Still do tbh
hollow ibex
yeah honestly i feel like i could go keystoneless
you know a melee weapon is bad when it only feels "alright" with all the right side talents and WS
grand perch
achlys caxe be like
come to think of it its a big joke that the achlys combat axe is as terrible as it is, what with its 0.00001 cleave on some attacks, while the designated poke stick DS4 exists
gilded wraith
Does the Mk14 Recon hold up okay outside of havoc? Or have hitmasses changed in auric as well?
slow spade
"mission aborted" Fatshark why the fuck does this still keep happening
steel veldt
Infiltrate with DB is so fun
Infiltrate weapon specialist DB
I don't understand how you can use anything else
slow spade
Marksmen Focus Double Barrel 
steel veldt
Marksmen Focus Double Barrel <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
It's good now?
hollow ibex
pretty sure he's memeing lol
steel veldt
Damned if I know
grand perch
no joke i had a guy with DB exec stance + MMF and longshot apply to a high havoc match...in the old vet tree.
hybrid plover
no joke i had a guy with DB exec stance + MMF and longshot apply to a high havoc...
those words
can you even use those in the same sentence like that???
split grove
any vigilant graia builds for havoc
tepid otter
Who was that guy that showed a vid of like 3 shotting a Crusher with a shovel
I wanna know what build he had on it
split grove
3 shotting a shovel might as well call the ogryn over
tepid otter
I mean.. I wouldnt be asking in the vet channel if I played as an Ogryn
fair notch
when did they rework the vet tree.
steel veldt
no joke i had a guy with DB exec stance + MMF and longshot apply to a high havoc...
What a gigachad
grand perch
any vigilant graia builds for havoc
well i havent tried it in new havoc yet but i will with this build
however this will be very ranged focused and ammo consumption could be a problem
gale did this for burst fire vigis:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ff8b87c-a35e-4ee4-aade-f4af049e15cd/gales-havoc-columnus-iii-build
this is more melee focused and thus less reliant on ammo. change a bit around (onslaught for example) for graia and see
tropic notch
well i havent tried it in new havoc yet but i will with this build
however this ...
change cara to unarmored
for tac axe
grand perch
for what reason?
tropic notch
for what reason?
brusier breakpoint
and dreg gunners / shotgunners
scab brusiers are tanky
gale even has it in da build
grand perch
sounds reasonable
but i kind of want to keep the extra cara damage as a fallback for crushers. i can deal with bruisers, shotgunners and gunners in melee just fine
i just noticed thats the wrong axe, my havoc taxe uses deci instead of bromentum. thats about 1300 dps vs crushers on that build
steel veldt
how to do this help
hybrid plover
how to do this help
this is as self explanatory as it gets tbh
steel veldt
this is as self explanatory as it gets tbh
I meant how to do it easier
grand perch
use revolver. kill 3 guys in melee. pull out revolver and snipe special
steel veldt
I can't seem to ever trigger it with DB
grand perch
repeat until done
steel veldt
use revolver. kill 3 guys in melee. pull out revolver and snipe special
got it ty
hybrid plover
I can't seem to ever trigger it with DB
you don't even need to do it with ranged attacks
eternal venture
proven by the fact that no one really cares what you bring into a 40 because the...
late but this
it's a quasi-elo system that assumes you should be able to "find your rank" after enough games to average out
...in a game built around completely random enemy seeds and spawns, with horribly unstable servers
But then it doesn't even commit to the whole elo shtick because once you hit 40, you can just chill and grind hard/fun matches without worrying about losing access to them
Below 40, people actually care about climbing enough to enforce a loose (now much stricter) meta
grand perch
you know what this game needs? placement matches like the old LoL ranking system
semi-randomly 3 matches are just 100% important for your placing
eternal venture
I'm speaking as someone who's beaten dozens of 40s and has gotten to 40 (I ain't no tanner)
it's just not fun climbing back up after you get there the first time
Sure, it helps with player retention... but in a fraction of the playerbase
I think you'd legit get more people playing havoc if they didn't have to worry about the deranking shit
hybrid plover
I think you'd legit get more people playing havoc if they didn't have to worry a...
100%
demotion is good for no one
not good for the players nor the people that even made the mode to begin with
warm schooner
I'm not sure havoc benefits from more people playing it right now
eternal venture
Why would you want fewer people playing it
hybrid plover
I'm not sure havoc benefits from more people playing it right now
what
is the entire point of a game mode, to have people playing said game mode
eternal venture
The ranking system also creates the WoW Mythic/FFXIV party finder problem where everyone is paranoid of each other and party hops all night long (they don't know they keep running into the same people over and over)
hybrid plover
or not
slow spade
na Havoc needs quickplay so you can get the TRUE difficulty of quickplay randos UwU
hybrid plover
Not only that
eternal venture
I had a guy in a h35 scream at me earlier after he got bounced into a chaos spawn
He left after we lost
meager echo
I climb to h40 new havoc in a day. I think demote system is doing more harm than good. It should be challenging not punishing.
eternal venture
I joined another lobby as ogryn, he was there again
hybrid plover
But demotion in a game that can't even hold a lobby together solely because of server issues is actually laughable.
eternal venture
I saved his ass multiple times and he couldn't stop thanking me lol
steel veldt
The ranking system also creates the WoW Mythic/FFXIV party finder problem where ...
Or League of Legends pre hidden usernames in ranked
eternal venture
(he had no idea it was me both times)
steel veldt
The amount of dodging in high elo
eternal venture
Yeah lol
Basically if you miss the havoc 40 climbing train a day after release, you are going to get stuck with everyone else in the h25-35 blender
meager echo
New havoc is either you abuse meta or suffer. There is no between.
eternal venture
I climb to h40 new havoc in a day. I think demote system is doing more harm than...
Also this
hybrid plover
why isn't the fun available across all ranks?
eternal venture
A lot of people just want to test themselves on the highest difficulty
If you think they're weighing you down, you just leave anyway
fair shale
I was in a havoc lobby earlier(like 27 ish) and it turned out one of our psykers had zero curios whatsoever, and its just like. Man.
eternal venture
lmao
hybrid plover
it's the same reason i hate the fact that in the new difficulty system, you can actually degrade your progress into the next difficulty
it's just unnecessarily punishing and feels like a waste of time
havoc is already difficult enough to climb
meager echo
We have a system heavily punish you for losing (demote). No wonder people abusing meta. If there is no demote, no one will give a rat ass about not winning -> more build will be available.
eternal venture
Ayup
meager echo
And imo winning with off meta is alway more impressive. More identity to the player, more skill expression.
low oar
Hard content is there to test a team to play the most optimally
A meta is sorta guaranteed
hybrid plover
And imo winning with off meta is alway more impressive. More identity to the pla...
i remember someone calling me a monster for managing the damage i did one time with knife, helbore and smokes before the update
in a 40
and i just thought
"man, I could never run something like this in any other rank because the very thought of this build would have me kicked"
it rlly shouldn't be like that
eternal venture
And imo winning with off meta is alway more impressive. More identity to the pla...
Exactly
meager echo
Man it's a game after all. Why should it be high stake.
eternal venture
A PvE game at that, too
fair shale
Havoc somehow manages the frustration of CS Premier in a game in which I'm not fighting a human being
low oar
Man it's a game after all. Why should it be high stake.
People like challenges
Not sure what else to tell you
eternal venture
After you've been playing a game like this for a long time, the most excitement comes from doing hard content with offmeta
hybrid plover
People like challenges
Not sure what else to tell you
that's not the point they're making at all
meager echo
People like challenges
Not sure what else to tell you
Hey man, high skill players can always challenge themselves by doing off meta run. Enforcing the highstake system to all players is not the way.
hybrid plover
players want something challenging. not so high stakes that it quite literally punishes trying to have fun with the game
I cannot think of a single person who actually likes the demotion mechanic
meager echo
There will always be players doing no hit run, speed run. Why would you make it hard for the vast majority of the player base.
It's not about taking away the feeling of accomplishment of the minority who can do it. It's about making the game more accessible for the vast majority.
eternal venture
^
meager echo
Talent players will always find the way to make the game harder.
eternal venture
Even with three strikes, the derank system just doesn't work very well for a game as volatile as this one
distant estuary
Anyone want to play lowlevel havoc?
eternal venture
imo you should still have to do 'placements' for eveyr major tier of havoc, like how you have to unlock Maelstrom
tepid otter
What server you in
tepid otter
imo you should still have to do 'placements' for eveyr major tier of havoc, like...
God I hope
eternal venture
H20, H30, and H40 would all require you to complete three matches of each just to make sure you can even do them
tepid otter
Its not very friendly to people that wanna try havoc if its just filled with peeps doing Havoc 40
tepid otter
Im like Havoc 10 and no one wants me 
eternal venture
It's almost impossible to climb at the end of a season
There's a lot of H20 and H40, not much in-between
tepid otter
Unless I get lucky to be with a bunch of other randos
eternal venture
I had to play a lot to get enough H40 matches in last season
distant estuary
Ik new to havoc and have no servers are below 20-30
eternal venture
Like, if someone wants to dip their toes into Havoc 30-40, let them. If they realize they're in over their head, they'll usually just leave. Same thing happens when people join 200%-300% Twitch in Vermintide. People don't give a shit there because they're not fighting for their rank lmao
turbid ibex
you know what this game needs? placement matches like the old LoL ranking system...
league mention
eternal venture
And if they want to improve, they'll stick around. People are usually happy to help in an environment where everyone isn't anxious about deranking because they got a gunner seed with three monsters, a captain, and the twins right out the gate. That should be something you laugh about in chat, not something that makes you groan
eternal venture
If you really want to satsify the people who want to flex e-peen, add a streak counter or something to show off how many H40s they've completed in a row
OR
Add a cumulative points system, where completing matches at certain havoc ranks would give you leaderboard points and some special currency to spend on cosmetics at Dukane
H40 would obviously give way way more points than lower levels. So all you'd be doing is accumulating cosmetic currency faster, and accumulating points to show off on the leaderboard.
tepid otter
whats cosmetic currency
tepid otter
oh, i thought u actually get that doing havocs
would be sick i think
for someone who doesnt spend a dime on a game
eternal venture
The idea I have in mind is that Dukane would sell more Havoc cosmetics, more titles, more portait frames, more weapon attachments
And you'd get some special Moebian coins on beating missions that you could exchange for that stuff
Like sure, you could just farm low-level missions if you want. But you'd be incentivized to do the higher-level ones because the payout would be way more
the idea needs some workshopping for sure
But yeah, it'd all be free. No MTX
tepid otter
i mean i like having to personalize characters in games, so thats a really neat idea
short sinew
just got this from melk :D
hybrid plover
just got this from melk :D
dasa good roll
eternal venture
Though that's TECHNICALLY not a perfect roll(!)
because the 61% mobility means one of those 80%s is actually a 79%
but it's still funny
tropic notch
just got this from melk :D
a bit of a meme atm but with work its perfect
hybrid plover
rounding error be like
also, i just want to say
running serrated with a bleed blessing
is actually pretty damn good
all of the right side stuff buffing your DoTs actually puts in work
tropic notch
all you need is uncanny ngl
eternal venture
ngl I think the thing I dislike the most about the Falchions is how short the dodge is while you're swinging
and you can't run while charging a heavy like the Devil Claw
Think changing those would at least make it feel better. It wouldn't fix its abysmal Carapace damage, but that's more of an enemy balance problem
tropic notch
ngl I think the thing I dislike the most about the Falchions is how short the do...
its better than ps
eternal venture
True, though I think it should still be a bit more to match its theme as an all-rounder weapon
Chaining into the sweep combo is also a little annoying on the Aridian(?) mark
errant scarab
does anynya here have a good build for veteran
not like a meta build i just want to be a normal soldier as vet
hybrid plover
what exactly are you looking for in a build?
lunar walrus
melee veteran viable now?
errant scarab
what exactly are you looking for in a build?
ranged
hybrid plover
melee veteran viable now?
extremely
hybrid plover
like i have a lasgun and a knife
infantry? helbore?
calm shard
I should spend 2 extra skill points for .5 stamina regen delay on my knife vet builds
errant scarab
infantry? helbore?
infantry
hybrid plover
I should spend 2 extra skill points for .5 stamina regen delay on my knife vet b...
it is so comfy
eternal venture
tac axe + double barrel is my go-to zealot build
very gremlin
never stop moving
etc.
willow prairie
just run flesh tearer on knife
eternal venture
You can probably replicate it with rightside build on vet
willow prairie
your single target damage is mostly from crit anyway
vet have enough crit to make bleed knife viable horde clear
eternal venture
Only issue is probably maulers/crushers
eternal venture
Yeah just gotta kite backwards
hybrid plover
Only issue is probably maulers/crushers
they're honestly not, uncanny makes the dots do some genuinely considerable damage and makes it shred even crushers
45% extra bleed damage is no joke
calm shard
vet have enough crit to make bleed knife viable horde clear
why
willow prairie
because knife you get like 3x times the horde clear and crit help with single target
calm shard
because knife you get like 3x times the horde clear and crit help with single ta...
3x 0 is still 0
fair shale
I like serrated strikes with a mercy killer uncanny knife tbh
eternal venture
they're honestly not, uncanny makes the dots do some genuinely considerable dama...
Ahh yeah uncanny pokes with knife
I was thinking tac axe
hybrid plover
3x 0 is still 0
i'll be real, it wasn't great before the rework but it's actually not bad at all now
warm galleon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1421146472547745872...
how do you see that
tepid otter
how do you see that
its a mod i think
warm galleon
ah
tepid otter
Any blessings worth putting on Chainsword
jaunty herald
hybrid plover
ill look up a build
https://gyazo.com/83a4c482feb74b23f7833ae112c3611f
serrated is not neccessary but it's nice to have
or
errant scarab
i kinda like critmaxxing stuff
hybrid plover
i kinda like critmaxxing stuff
could switch for deadshot
but uh
deadshot's a tricky node to have on something that isn't a recon lasgun
or honestly it's just tricky in general
willow prairie
Any blessings worth putting on Chainsword
wrath + bloodletter
willow prairie
what website is this lol
willow prairie
deadshot's a tricky node to have on something that isn't a recon lasgun
deadshot is ass on recon las
hybrid plover
deadshot is ass on recon las
wat
recon las with deadshot's really strong actually
i don't like it
willow prairie
you crit through sheer volume of fire anyway and deadshot kill your stamina on reconlas
hybrid plover
that's barely an issue given you're gonna have the fastest stamina delay among the classes anyway
even when that wasn't the case, it was still strong, if somewhat niche
willow prairie
deadshot is better for other weapon not recon las
stamina affect more than melee
plus uptime is bad on reconlas since it shoot like 20 times per second
you burn almost 3 stamina bar per second
calm shard
deadshot is ass on recon las
barely usable on the slow one xd
just aim head level into hordes since it has cleave
for the other two don't even try
hybrid plover
yeah you don't use the torrent one
calm shard
but on the slow one deadshot is surprisingly...usable?
yeah usable is what I'd describe it as
has a super fast TTK into elites because it has actual base damage
hybrid plover
i guess that's my fault for not mentioning
calm shard
and you can shoot through poxwalkers!
hybrid plover
but the slow firing one actually is genuinely quite strong with deadshot
i dont like it because it's completely brainless
but i can acknowledge that it works
calm shard
definitely lobotomy gameplay
add onslaught and just never use your melee
your recon lasgun is horde, armor, and ranged clear
you should probably also fit reciprocity so you don't run out of ammo
hybrid plover
really there aren't that many weapons i'd recommend it for other than that and helbore
infantry lasgun technically has synergy if only because of shocktroop but uh
I would never recommend inf lasgun
Like
Ever
calm shard
it's not bad now that vet has damage nodes
thing has huge maniac ADM
and okay unyielding+infernus
calm shard
yeah it leaves you desiring the vigilant autogun
hybrid plover
the fact that you can't fucking see anything
calm shard
that does the same thing but with autogun finesse privileges
hybrid plover
i absolutely hate shooting it
calm shard
aka hitting a reaper for 3.8K in one shot
hybrid plover
it's ironic that it's the one gun with an actual sight
calm shard
laspistol
willow prairie
I mean you can use deadshot with revolver to get crit faster but eh
calm shard
also a gun the infantry las leaves me desiring
hybrid plover
but the weird recoil and awful muzzle flash just makes it hard to really use anyway
willow prairie
that when you install weapon customization
bitter turtle
im not really convinced
that onslaught is any good still
even on fastest recon mark
hybrid plover
that when you install weapon customization
i am tired of needing to deal with that mod breaking every update
calm shard
it being 2 points and under a useful 25 toughness node goes a long way
fossil creek
onslaught adds brittleness right?
bitter turtle
shoot at crusher to kill it with half the dps of just fucking hitting it with your melee
calm shard
or only 1 point if you're running agile engagement
bitter turtle
calm shard
which is a goated fucking skill
calm shard
shoot at crusher to kill it with half the dps of just fucking hitting it with yo...
on the guns that are genuinely worth considering onslaught for
bitter turtle
i dont know if its even worth 1 point
calm shard
they will kill a crusher in under a second with onslaught
hybrid plover
i dont know if its even worth 1 point
vraks infantry
fossil creek
they will kill a crusher in under a second with onslaught
which
hybrid plover
no joke it's actually strong
bitter turtle
well
calm shard
Vraks Infantry Autogun is the big one
calm shard
insane death laser of a gun
fossil creek
i used onslaught with recon lasgun
calm shard
and recon las
fossil creek
for a bit
calm shard
fossil creek
i liked it
calm shard
seriously the vraks is batshit insane on vet now that they have real damage boosts on the tree
can one or two shot most enemies and it has one of the highest fire rates in the game 💀
it BARELY 3 shots reapers
because it hits for just under the 2000 necessary on a crit headshot to 2 shot them
poor boy
seriously what the fuck is this gun
grand perch
seriously what the fuck is this gun
this gun is bound for a nerf eventually is what i'd reckon
emphasis on eventually
calm shard
it'd have to pick up steam in the community for that
and I dunno if its harsh damage falloff and recoil will really sell it to people
despite it being the way it is
hybrid plover
i dont even think the recoil is that big of a deal
the suppression however
was really bad
was
willow prairie
eh vet is suppression immune
hybrid plover
and now that literally does not matter anymore.
willow prairie
problem is the range
calm shard
oh come to think of it since vet is suppression immune now
you probably can't hear their rare suppression dialogue anymore
because the rejects do have dialogue for being under max suppression
it's just hard to trigger because I think you need to both be suppressed to shit, and also not be getting shot
jaunty herald
what website is this lol
winter spoke
infinite ammo lasgun feels really good
well, apart from the infantry lasgun but thats because its the infantry lasgun
grand perch
you probably can't hear their rare suppression dialogue anymore
youre right, thats a bit of a shame
would be cool if it still triggered when theres lots of suppression around
tepid pendant
So, after the update, is there any consensus on what the best recon lasgun build is with Voice of Command?
Rending Strikes used to be a big part of the kit that would allow the recon lasgun to just rip through enemies, Carapace enemies included. But that node no longer exists.
Not sure how to adjust for the changes in the new veteran skill tree, to be honest.
bitter turtle
er
rending strikes still exists?
not that it ever let recon "rip through enemies"
frosty raft
Kraks are actually viable now, kill Armor with kraks/melee. Laser down everything else with the lasgun
tepid pendant
rending strikes still exists?
It does? Oh. My bad.
tepid pendant
Kraks are actually viable now, kill Armor with kraks/melee. Laser down everythin...
I'll give that a try.
bitter turtle
you might be thinking of onslaught
which also still exists
but as i said above
idk
im not really sold on it @ recon still
even though its much easier to get now
like on a voc WS build its doing 1.5k ish dps with onslaught?
just pull out your melee at that point lol
tepid pendant
you might be thinking of onslaught
That too. It's much lower on the bottom right side skill tree if I recall correctly. I guess I'll have to adjust for that and give it a try.
bitter turtle
the position for onslaught
is much
much better now
because its above actually goated talents
i just question if its even worth 1 pt
tepid pendant
I don't know. I just really enjoy mowing down everything with my recon lasgun.
frosty raft
DPS is one thing, but scab elites (crusher included) got HP buff so bad carapace weapons are even worse
tepid pendant
I just want to make my beloved gun punch harder.
tepid pendant
DPS is one thing, but scab elites (crusher included) got HP buff so bad carapace...
Ah. That explains things.
frosty raft
But there is less crushers spawning now, so kraks work
bitter turtle
you can shoot at a crusher
for like literally 4 seconds at 1.5k dps to kill a 6500 hp target
or you can hit it 3 times with a psword or chuck a nade at it yea
for 0 resources or a regenerating one respectively and kill it in under 1 second
regal belfry
how is the explosive bolter
and idk how i feel now about vigilant and infantry las with those pesky plasma gunners
viscid salmon
i love the new bolter
apart from the ammo being too low imo, the gun feels super nice to use
the explosive damage is a meme but it does give you pinning fire basically on first shot because of how large the blast radius is
and its much more controllable recoil wise
i did end up changing one of the perks to be reload speed for 40% reload combined with the reload on elite/specialist kill talent
its pretty good
grand perch
regal belfry
why does the lawbringer falchion feels so bad compared to the aridin one
regal belfry
it feels similar to the mark x relic greats word the aridin one
just with one heavy less and no heavy looping side swings
i got a gold one from melk which i use for levelling
not the best but good enough
elder vessel
did they put the plasma gunner in psykhanium?
sleek verge
Does anyone know the damage caused by Plasma Gunners? He has melee attack mode and ranged attack mode. What is the damage multiplier for resilience and health damage multiplier
young sun
What's the lowdown on the falchions? They seem like a horde management weapon with decent overheads for the occasional elite. Is that about right?
drifting verge
tame lodge
Does anyone know the damage caused by Plasma Gunners? He has melee attack mode a...
I don't have the numbers for plasma gunner
But I do know that plasma captains have a multiplier of 30 against toughness
sleek verge
wtf……30
rough cobalt
Anyone has pretty good helbore build I could use?
midnight wyvern
But I do know that plasma captains have a multiplier of 30 against toughness
30x?
tame lodge
Yeah
Sniper has 10 and you can tank that with your toughness
Plasma has 30 so you better dodge
mortal aspen
tame lodge
Exclusively charged headshot
The closest to be able to use uncharged shots is mk4
Since it's the hardest hitting one
But 99% of the time
Charged
honest quiver
if you need to kill trash closing in on you in a hurry you can use the bayonet special too
the special is also just kinda strong on its own
oak radish
will the mk 2 tactical axe be good with it
honest quiver
underrated scab elite killer
rashad combat axe is goated, i literally have no clue about any of the tac axes
shovel is fun
willow prairie
it struggle with armor but whatever
mk7 and mk4 are the good one
even then mk7 is better if you have crit
oak radish
what about the chainsword then
honest quiver
it just got buffed along with the other chain weapons but people are still iffy about it
honest quiver
personally i don't fw it but they are way better now than before
willow prairie
better on zealot
oak radish
chainsword it is
rough cobalt
I wish chainsword would work like MK 4 chainaxe
honest quiver
better on zealot
is evis goated with the sauce now
rough cobalt
intresting mechanic for chain weapon
tame lodge
will the mk 2 tactical axe be good with it
Mk7 taxe would be the better low budget melee
willow prairie
evis been good for a while now
tame lodge
Evis been good for a while
Evis15 that is
Evis 3 got a huuuuuge glow up recently
And both marks had their caps removed
regal belfry
evis got my interest lost when rgs got released
pseudo fiber
And both marks had their caps removed
Which again why were they even there in the fire place
pseudo fiber
We got cleave but... what if there was... a second thing
tame lodge
Orestes 12 lights got theirs removed with BbD
pseudo fiber
A second try of cleave limit
pseudo fiber
New bolter, new bolt pistol, plasma, vigil, helbore
Honestly lots and lots of options
regal belfry
I tried the new melee. It’s eeeh..
which variant?
harsh geyser
which variant?
Good question, I think the first one? I’m still leveling it up
regal belfry
i recommend to swap at lv 7
the second one has a similar moveset to the rgs mark 10 from zealot
harsh geyser
Ooooh
pseudo fiber
I thought you start with the mk1?
regal belfry
nope
pseudo fiber
huh
regal belfry
you start with lawbringer
harsh geyser
Also I’m trying to force myself to use the vigilance autogun man
regal belfry
with the new enemy it is pain to use less armor piercing range weapons
harsh geyser
When the headshot chain is up and running it feels great.
The moment there’s a Flak enemy is where it goes downhill
regal belfry
scab plasma gunner heads are carapace
regal belfry
picks up bolter to f them up really hard
harsh geyser
I can’t live out as the “fuck that specialist in particular” vet build
How does the new bolters marks feels?
I haven’t played with them yet
tame lodge
I tried the new melee. It’s eeeh..
Yeah it's pretty mediocre
pseudo fiber
How does the new bolters marks feels?
Slower fire rate but you got a big ass explosion
pretty fun
I think the original bolter is a bit better but they're both good
regal belfry
I think the original bolter is a bit better but they're both good
og bolter bursts better
feels better against bosses
wish the plasma gunner were not supression imune
regal belfry
shotgunner/sniper/mauler fused into one without any good designation when they come onto the map, when they target you, have high firerate, a lot of armor and is not locked to a position
tame lodge
It's why you see the 21st plasma walking nonchalantly on the dt teaser
pseudo fiber
It's why you see the 21st plasma walking nonchalantly on the dt teaser
that teaser is so great
rip that squad tho
regal belfry
i hope they nerf it next hotfix
pseudo fiber
I've said it before the plasma gunner is the plasma gun nerf
regal belfry
I've said it before the plasma gunner *is* the plasma gun nerf
i would be fine with that both at the same time
tame lodge
Actually funny
They predicted people would be bad at melee
But yeah
They'll probably nerf the rate of fire
versed mural
What’s the general feeling on the Power Falchion? People seem to be down on it, why is that?
pseudo fiber
Bad blessings
Low Carapace damage
versed mural
That makes sense
It’s aggravating how much carapace damage bottlenecks weapon choice
tame lodge
Bad blessings
No real niche
You activate it to experience Rashad
Or you can just play Rashad
versed mural
Thank you. That makes sense
pseudo fiber
It's fun though
tame lodge
pseudo fiber
It got cranial on it
tame lodge
I guess it attacks faster than Rashad or something
pseudo fiber
tame lodge
I guess it attacks faster than Rashad or something
https://tenor.com/view/how-i-keep-the-rent-low-in-my-neighbourhoo-chief-keef-gif-5043739507113617112
heavy bridge
Or you can just play Rashad
counterpoint
the sparky effects make my brain go woosh
but yeah falchion is kinda awkward, even though I love it
willow prairie
rashad enjoyer when they failed to 1 shot dreg bruiser and have no stamina left
regal belfry
i hope they bring back saints fluke skin for tactical axe soon
candid agate
yeah plasma gunners are easily top 3 worst enemies right now
void dragon
Worse part is that you can have a scenario of plasma gunners not only shooting in a pattern that is impossible to dodge but they can also friggin fake their shots!
unreal nova
Worse part is that you can have a scenario of plasma gunners not only shooting i...
The fake shots is a packet loss thing, I think.
void dragon
The fake shots is a packet loss thing, I think.
I feel that is like the flamers that are about to shoot but decided to make a mini sprint to reposition themselves so that reset their firing stance, but I don't have much evidence of that
unreal nova
I feel that is like the flamers that are about to shoot but decided to make a mi...
Might be both. Still hate them anyway. Makes playing with ping even less fun.
Is like captain but now there's 10 of them with the same ping lag issue.
And they shoot even faster.
void dragon
Yeah, they shooting so you can dodge one shot but get hit by everything else is certainly a design choice
Specially since their plasma guns don't explode
sudden cedar
Reminder, in the Event Missions, Plasma Gunners are way more common.
void dragon
3 of them can shoot on such an oppressive rhythm already, that's why smokes have become my best friend against them
unreal nova
Reminder, in the Event Missions, Plasma Gunners are way more common.
You can already get 5-6 of them in a pack on normal games.
Event just ups it to 12-14 of them.
Maybe more.
sudden cedar
The point still stands. 🙂
tepid pendant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZfy98yzGy8
Thanks for sharing. Was thinking about giving the plasma gun a try
void dragon
so what's the PFalchion needing to be considered good without being stronger than the Psword?
pseudo fiber
Give it deathblow
regal belfry
i think it has better mobility already
unreal nova
so what's the PFalchion needing to be considered good without being stronger tha...
Better hitbox to some.
regal belfry
Better hitbox to some.
the lawbringer variants sucks
void dragon
i think it has better mobility already
same mobility than rashad i remember
unreal nova
the lawbringer variants sucks
Doesn't change the fact though.
tame lodge
so what's the PFalchion needing to be considered good without being stronger tha...
2 times the damage
The alternative is just better blessings
void dragon
2 times the damage
then you are stronger than Psword, you failed
tame lodge
That's the thing
void dragon
The alternative is just better blessings
what blessings?
regal belfry
so just the good standard hit/kill buffs blessings
regal belfry
or uncanny strike
frigid shuttle
I was hoping pfalch would be relic blade for vet
it was less enjoyable than psword and I don't really enjoy psword gameplay.
And while trimming the fat in vet tree is good, he still lacks a proper melee option 
distant plaza
am i just blind or is vety suppresion immunity gone?
vets get it by default now
frigid shuttle
rework when? 
tame lodge
am i just blind or is vety suppresion immunity gone?
It's gone
The good news
Is that vet is suppression immune now
balmy raft
rework when? <:Bezos_pray:1384233573762072737>
few days ago. last thursday or something. dunno. i was in berlin doing stuff
void dragon
so simple build up passive, yet makes sense for the vet
regal belfry
thats why
grand perch
but some day!...in 2030
void dragon
Nor tomorrow
not in 3040
void dragon
but some day!...in 2030
ha, you wish
regal belfry
why not give those two uncanny strike
tame lodge
Unironically would help
Dclaw with flak
Hsword with carapace
They tried to give rending to Hsword (bladed Momentum)
But the application is so ass
drifting verge
Once again the crusher gatekeeps half of the weapons in the game lol
drifting verge
Counterpoint
What point of weapon
If useless
Make Ogryn
More dumb
They too smart
Ogryn smart
Bad
Ogryn strong
Good
regal belfry
Once again the crusher gatekeeps half of the weapons in the game lol
looks at plasma gunner with stuff like vigilant, infantry lasgun, laspistol
drifting verge
*looks at plasma gunner with stuff like vigilant, infantry lasgun, laspistol*
As a infantry lasgun main
Yep
How do I solve this?
They’re weak in melee
So I say a prayer
And hope I can get in melee range before the fire
Cause they swap to a shit melee like shotgunners do
regal belfry
try to get close enough without getting plasmad to death
grand perch
15 stacks of MMF, chink in their armor and rending strikes should do good damage
but theres better options than ilas for cara head for sure
drifting verge
It works like …40-60% of the time depending on the type of room
drifting verge
try to get close enough without getting plasmad to death
Yeah
drifting verge
but theres better options than ilas for cara head for sure
I’m a Veteran Vibes guy
I wear a full uniform
I have a lasgun
Love me emps
regal belfry
now people tend more to use bolter, bolt pistol, plasma gun or perhaps revolver
drifting verge
Love me Imperium
Wish I could have a lasvolley like the scab gunners do
And don’t say recon las it’s not the same:(
I want my LMG on vet
tame lodge
I know the stalkers have training to shoot precise bursts while moving
So would a burst lasgun have good recoil
Fatshark says no
drifting verge
Yknow what I think might be healthy for vet
Maybe?
Idk I may be wrong
Let them bring a sidearm
Could be fun
Double press weapon swap to pull out a las/bolt/stub pistol
regal belfry
Double press weapon swap to pull out a las/bolt/stub pistol
shredder autopistol players look happy
i would take mostly bolt pistol or revolver or laspistol depending on primary range weapon
agile mango
is my plasma build fine? IDK if I should drop anything for +25% ammo or out for blood
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ffa89ad-998a-49f4-b20e-f161f545ee26/plasma-build-2
drifting verge
Like imagine shooting your primary
Some autogun or las gun
Then behind you is a scab rager all of a sudden
Whip out the bolt pistol
agile mango
Plasma is flak and unarmored
i thought flak/maniac?
grand perch
unarmored for the gunner oneshot
agile mango
unarmored for the gunner oneshot
cant do that on havoc 40 without it?
or does maniac just give no useful breakpoints?
agile mango
so maniac just doesn't give useful havoc 40 breakpoints?
tame lodge
Most likely
1 stack of Rising Heat already lets you one shot ragers at 2000hp
Other maniacs enemy have what
2100 HP on h40?
agile mango
2100 HP on h40?
yes
agile mango
Most likely
do you know why some other seem to run flak/unyielding?
grand perch
because they think its a bosskiller weapon (its not)
tame lodge
My best bet would be against Reapers
agile mango
lol, ty
agile mango
I don't really play auric anymore so IDK lol.
stable oak
howz helbores? which one's best? is the heaviest now outclassed by the middle one due to no longer double shotting crushers?
do they feel any good at all in combat
heavy rover
Mk III is also good if you prefer a faster fire rate
meager echo
I happened to run into a very good party . Speedrun h30 and h31 less than 25mins per game lol.
hollow ibex
4 is the best
5 is the best
void dragon
meanwhile dumb me: i like 3a
tame lodge
The truth is that you can't go wrong with Helbore
tame lodge
....
Ok maybe you can
https://tenor.com/view/how-i-keep-the-rent-low-in-my-neighbourhoo-chief-keef-gif-5043739507113617112
regal belfry
i dislike the feeling of the slow one
umbral scaffold
So im not a vet main, more a operative i dabble in a bit. After the update my builds are all wiped. are there any updated builds for recon, plasma and helbore?
hollow ibex
So im not a vet main, more a operative i dabble in a bit. After the update my bu...
pretty standard recon las build
void dragon
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f61c314-2870-469e-b9e7-8d4ce6d057fc/ma...
Infantry lasgun, but actually good
hollow ibex
basically lmfao
void dragon
that being said, does surgical is still worth in this?
hollow ibex
it's still 10% extra crit even when at full rate of fire so i think it's still worth it
not that you should be at full rate of fire usually lol
whole moon
been playing around with the new power falch, having trouble finding what niche it fills that isnt done by the power sword. Anyone elighten me?
undone jungle
been playing around with the new power falch, having trouble finding what niche ...
It's a lot safer with 4 ok dodges but it's better to compare it to other versatile options like rashad tbh
hollow ibex
been playing around with the new power falch, having trouble finding what niche ...
simple to use
that's it
tame lodge
Yeah then Rashad mogs it
whole moon
gotcha cheers
tame lodge
undone jungle
Yeah then Rashad mogs it
yeah pretty much but it's boring
tame lodge
10 months for this mediocrity
hollow ibex
10 months for this mediocrity
what was even the last unique weapon vet got lol
hollow ibex
prob before i started playing lol
tame lodge
Shovel and power sword
Helbore and plasma
They have been unique to Vet since I started playing
undone jungle
nothing rlly compares to achylys and rashad but that's just cus they're overtuned
tame lodge
Then now Falchion
hollow ibex
like years?
hollow ibex
2 years for this dogshit weapon
undone jungle
I mean falchion isn't bad it's just not op
I will still use it because the op options are balanced by being incredibly boring
whole moon
the falch kinda annoys me that the attack sequence changes if youre moving from stationary
slow spade
I mean if the Falchion wasn't outclassed in every way by Rashad it'd at least be interesting
undone jungle
that's a rashad problem imo
north flicker
What are the good perks for the falchion? Flak + carapace?
undone jungle
caxes should be given a 2nd pass
tame lodge
Falchion should at least compete with Rashad
slow spade
Doesn't help that it's worse AND the enemies got buffed too
unreal nova
2 years for this dogshit weapon <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
We expected something like relic or FGS, a mainstay... We get something meh.
hollow ibex
yeah i tried it on a WS build and it just felt... meh
void dragon
Falchion should at least compete with Rashad
When active it should have a little more damage but idk how much would that be
hollow ibex
you know it's bad when a melee weapon feels meh on a WS build lol
slow spade
Yeah its inability to fight ragers is a major problem
Don't know how to really fix that
void dragon
Yeah its inability to fight ragers is a major problem
Doesn't stagger them on active like the Psword?
Wait, we actually can't really be sure of that
slow spade
Doesn't stagger them on active like the Psword?
That might be because of current Stagger bug
void dragon
Not now at least
void dragon
Hopefully it will be able
unreal nova
you know it's bad when a melee weapon feels meh on a WS build lol
I always WS, it's just a why use it kinda thing. No niche, not even strong strong.
crude wind
Been pleasantly surprised by the Falchion
I don't think it's S tier but it does what I want it to do well.
Blessing pool is ass though
hollow ibex
give it sunder and brumentum
slow spade
Can its move-set and damage even take advantage of brutal momentum
void dragon
It needs a little to edge Rashad while active, but let's not give it Bruhmentim
crude wind
I don't think it will ever get either of those
hollow ibex
it's just one blessing, wcgw 
neon pecan
i havent played the new update yet, but all im going to say is its awesome that you can take any grenade with any build now. so much nicer.
slow spade
Yeah smokes are no longer taxed by existing
void dragon
Zealot with stun grenades, we live in the future alright
slow spade
Very nice
neon pecan
smokes are awesome i loved running them in havoc
void dragon
Smokes are so good, and a direct counter to the plasma jerk squad
Also Kraks with tinkerer nuking crushers all the way to H40 is amazing
neon pecan
anything I should know going into the new update for the vet tree rework
void dragon
marksman focus isn't garbo, and in general all vet feels stronger
hollow ibex
right side has become insanely cracked
tame lodge
Can its move-set and damage even take advantage of brutal momentum <:KEKW_ogryn:...
It should
The heavies sweeps have good angles
neon pecan
oh dang, right side was my fave outside of invis
tame lodge
Some of them that is
neon pecan
im guessing invis got reworked into actually being something now
unreal nova
right side has become insanely cracked
Time to eat good as a melee vet, right?
On top of saving so many points grabbing all the 'nadier nodes.
meager echo
Vet melee was good before, the only problem is tax point for survivalist and smoke.
Even in old patch matyrdom did not out dmg vet.
void dragon
im guessing invis got reworked into actually being something now
Infiltrate seems to be the lower stick, but a fragging build abusing that you get extra damage while invi so you can underhand toss nades is quite solid
unreal nova
Vet melee was good before, the only problem is tax point for survivalist and smo...
Thus, eat good, also, I got taxed everything since I want 'nade nodes and bleed on hit for a right, left, middle, right build.
neon pecan
Infiltrate seems to be the lower stick, but a fragging build abusing that you ge...
does the extra damage apply to just the initial source or all sources for a period of time? Wondering if that could do big bleeds
void dragon
does the extra damage apply to just the initial source or all sources for a peri...
i believe its untyped, so it should boost bleed too, but i havent tested
you still get it for a while out of invi, so you can set a frag nade carpet and come out with a bolter for a big nova vs a swarm
neon pecan
glorious
meager echo
I play around with bleed node, it quite bad, since you one shot trash anyway with ps6. Against armour, the bleed barely do anything. For bosses if you fight captain or lt, you only apply bleed if their shield is down.
neon pecan
dang, just realized im going to have to re-add buffs to my buff bars now
hollow ibex
I play around with bleed node, it quite bad, since you one shot trash anyway wit...
it's literally just a point tax lol
meager echo
The only upside is applying bleed for your ogryn and zealot friend.
Just take field improv
hollow ibex
field improv is mid
and literally useless if any other vet has it on your team
which is very likely
since it's now a tax node
peak fatshart design
void dragon
it all cant be perfect, its ObeseFish after all
meager echo
If you run knife i think the bleed node ia pretty sweet tho.
hollow ibex
If you run knife i think the bleed node ia pretty sweet tho.
yeah that's the one place where i think serrated blade is not a tax lol
slow spade
Funnily enough I almost never see field improv
slow spade
I think people are taking the bleed node
meager echo
Also if you run ps, the + crit chance node after dodge has very low uptime.
On paper its a good node, when ingame you will not get any value out of it because ps6 stagger everything.
slow spade
It certainly isn't the stun immunity node considering how fast they go down
crude wind
Lol
void dragon
I think people are taking the bleed node
classic, support is secondary to more damage, even if its meaningless
crude wind
I hate that node
slow spade
Also if you run ps, the + crit chance node after dodge has very low uptime.
On ...
It's just the alternative is +30 stam from ranged attacks
But you regen stam when attacked at low stam...
So it's pointless talent
meager echo
That or the close dmg node. Around 40% uptime.
slow spade
Oh right that one
meager echo
Which is reasonable
unreal nova
since it's now a tax node
Ppl skip it still lul.
unreal nova
I think people are taking the bleed node
I take both, because.
slow spade
People see the most mid talents of their lives and still ignore the one that gives you grenade spam
unreal nova
People see the most mid talents of their lives and still ignore the one that giv...
I have all the 'Nade nodes...
meager echo
I think bleed node is situational, its very good for certain weapon.
slow spade
I have all the 'Nade nodes...
People will see generalized statements as directed towards them
slow spade
I think bleed node is situational, its very good for certain weapon.
You know the average vet is definitely not using a bleed knife build 😔
unreal nova
I think bleed node is situational, its very good for certain weapon.
Fast lights ones. Knoife, tacaxe, would even say ds, but that's me.
slow spade
Tacaxe and DS kill in like 1-2 hits for most enemies