veteran-class

[sudden cedar]

I've played a few Auric Maelstrom Missions and they have been quite rare.

[normal bay]

They're aware of it

It's just

6-12months

[turbid ibex]

What ammo nerfs?

[mortal aspen]

they nerfed bolter ammo reserves by 10 and accidentally also nerfed other weapons too

[steep flower]

accidentally

[mortal aspen]

it would've been in the patch notes, if it was intentional right?

clueless

[steep flower]

They did the same with Wrath blessing

Long time ago

[mortal aspen]

they made it expire when hitting air?

[steep flower]

Yes

[mortal aspen]

xd

it's so ass

[steep flower]

Still the best cleave blessing unless crit heavy build

Then you can go perfect strike

[void dragon]

Zealot crit keystone and the evis wants perfect strike then? Still trying to figure what zealot mains want for builds

[viscid salmon]

the new boltgun is super fun but the ammo economy is worse than an economy of a south american nation, what the balls is this

theres so much shit being spawned everywhere that im constantly scambling for ammo

[hearty panther]

but it sounds awesome

[void dragon]

Hey, that economy isn't THAT BAD j/ in other news, the bolters losing ammo out of nowhere is Def an issue on that

[viscid salmon]

i have really no negatives to say about the new boltgun outside the ammo

it feels like the game is constantly trying to edge me

"here you go, one ammo tin can, btw ive spawned 17 scab ragers and maulers with those new crushers mixed in, hope those 13 rounds or so is gonna be enough"

[mortal aspen]

you're struggling with ammo on Vet?

[void dragon]

Me with veteran not running the ammo aura: it's crazy ngl

[viscid salmon]

youre saying it as if i said something preposterous, the scavenger is 1% ammo regain with 5 sec CD, its not going to save you when the average game throws shitton of things at you lol

on boltgun thats one round

[mortal aspen]

you have infinite grenades and melee too

[viscid salmon]

WOAH YOU DONT SAY SHERLOCK

[void dragon]

Space your shots, the gun is basically an hybrid of the flamer and the OG bolter

You spamming it will run out of ammo

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/poop-gif-21696855

[viscid salmon]

the mission me and buddy were doing, just between the two of us the amount of elites, specialists and disablers is ~340 of them

with most being melee elites (198)

telling me to use grenades and melee is like, no shit

[narrow widget]

average new histg run

[void dragon]

The thing is that you need to squeeze as much of that many regenerating resources as you can, if you have max nades when the fight already started you are wasting it basically.
Also Vet's melee prowes is very good so you want to engage in melee, specially with weapons like bolter

[narrow widget]

you should just be targeting specialists w the gun btw

[loud kiln]

"Elites spawn more often" when the mission only spawns elited

[narrow widget]

elites you can take care of in melee

most specialists as well but it's j more convenient to gun them down

[viscid salmon]

i got over 1k hours in this game, you dont need to tell me the most basic things possible

[loud kiln]

Dreg gunners when I'm not playing vet are my worst nightmare

[narrow widget]

bro ammo economy on vet is fine idk

[viscid salmon]

the problem isnt me not using resources when they are available, the issue was just the lack of resources due to volume of enemies

nothing else

[void dragon]

Yet it sounds like our daily struggle is news to you, ammo looting and management is always hard

[loud kiln]

Sounds like you have an effeciency problem

[narrow widget]

you have 3 other teammates to share the ammo burden with
that's also 3 other teammates benefitting from survivalist

[pseudo fiber]

It'll be fixed next hotfix apparently

[viscid salmon]

ammo economy is fine on most other weapons is the point i was making lmao the boltgun just runs through it

[void dragon]

Can you confirm? Want to have a bolter run WITHOUT less ammo than intended

[viscid salmon]

brother

[loud kiln]

I mostly run melee for mobbing and guns for bossing. Unless I'm meme building

Then i don't care

Haha las gun go brrrrrrrrrrr

[agile mango]

what do I put on my bolter if I'm running shredder spam vet?

[void dragon]

R.lasgun genuinely don't care for ammo sometimes

[narrow widget]

run bistol lethal proximity

[loud kiln]

5 purity seals and a good luck charm

[pseudo fiber]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/known-issue-ammo-value-changes/

[void dragon]

Actual rockstar mate, thanks

[agile mango]

one motion or longshot for bistol?

[loud kiln]

Ok, but bolter should one shot kill /j
That thing fires the whole bullet, that's 60% more bullet

[buoyant pewter]

This is kinda my take as well, as the resident special hunter in my statics I felt I was running through too much on the Bolter by comparison of the Bolter Pistol, Combat Shotgun or Plasma, and especially Las-Pistol and Rifle. With the ammo nerf it feels more rough and the bug not helping, makes it worse, so I've slowly moved towards just using the Combat Shotgun and Las-Pistol often for my position in the team during Havocs.

The ammo regen though is less for myself but my team in my mind though

Cause its ammo for the whole gang, even if I'm getting maybe 2 shells a proc

[void dragon]

Even before the not-really-nerfs, ammo on boltguns was rough, you want to have that gun ready to clean most ranged enemies and bosses but to do so it behaves as the Veteran's ammo void, it eats a lot but it pays by demolishing the enemies.
Maintaining that kind of weapon usually is a team effort

[buoyant pewter]

[mortal aspen]

enabled mods and half of my screen is an error feed with 3000 error messages queued

xdd

[buoyant pewter]

OOF

[steep flower]

Its been like that since forever

[void dragon]

I'm just now trying to learn the righteous indignation ways of the zealot, I have not played the class since forever (I'm not joking)

[void dragon]

I have reduced them to solo play complaining but working to test some builds in H40, and we are still to get the patch to fix the ammo issues

[steep flower]

Use less; stop spamming; scavenge more

Learn 2 micromanage your rezources

[void dragon]

Aye aye captain, engaging loot goblin protocol, must rescue EVERY resource box my team misses and make them be crazy when they find them in their pockets

[desert valve]

If they spawn in front of the Medicae, they're getting Magdumped, Shouted, then magdumped again.

[meager echo]

not in havoc dood, that's a tax you can not afford to pay...

[void dragon]

Yeah, let the Thammer user have it's fun instead

[desert valve]

My "Gorilla Mode" threshold is anyone or anything that fucks with my ability to heal.

[void dragon]

Still quite not optimal but it IS a dick move from the DH

[desert valve]

If I enter "Gorilla Mode", I will cause 42 problems, solve 45 of them, and invent a new form of Elaborate Suicide in the process.

[umbral rock]

how do yall in the #veteran-class channel feel about the new power falchion

[desert valve]

It's aight.

[rough adder]

A tad bit too short

[desert valve]

Still prefer the Chainaxe though.

[rough adder]

otherwise fine

[void dragon]

Works, it's more handy for quick swap styles but performs slightly less than the Psword or the rashad

[north flicker]

How can I add a bit more tankiness to vet?

[void dragon]

Can apply bleed like crazy and can kill crushers relatively fine

[rough adder]

shout

[void dragon]

Shout for the fabled piss toughness

[buoyant pewter]

Feels like it was made for Weapon Specialist swap-vets

[rough adder]

why so?

[buoyant pewter]

I like it a lot tbh

[void dragon]

Even unempowered, the falchion will kill stuff so that's a help when you are against some density

[buoyant pewter]

Yep

[void dragon]

And with WSpecialist that can happen more often

[mortal aspen]

Ok

Friendship ended with Taxe

[umbral rock]

interesting. I main zealot primarily but I've played a ton of veteran too and the one thing that kept me from fully swapping over to vet from zealot is that there were no melee weapons that really felt great to use imo but I think that's changed with the power falchion

[mortal aspen]

Rashad is my friend now

[rough adder]

ah

[mortal aspen]

holy fucking shit

it's so busted

[north flicker]

The axe? @mortal aspen

[mortal aspen]

yes

[void dragon]

Taxe will be the budget weapon, rashad becomes stronger if invested, and everyone happy

[buoyant pewter]

Very fair! A lot of the weapons used for Vet are much more...uhhh, I think the best way I can explain it from my perspective is 'sluggish' by comparison of the Zealot. Relic Blade vs Power Sword feel and use was just reee by comparison.

Having to give up a weapon perk slot and then still hit the button every time for 3 strikes made me wanna punch myself in the face at times

[void dragon]

Vet's melee prowess prior rework was not so great tbh

[void dragon]

The trade was that even if slow, the weapon was really friggin strong, it's still probably one of the best weapons of the class

[buoyant pewter]

Yep, it definitely is.

It gave up 'ease' of use in that sense, and speed, for outright just kill the thing

[umbral rock]

Im surprised I haven't seen people be concerned about the power falchion overshadowing the sword, I think that's my biggest concern balance wise. its hard to see a situation where I would ever want power sword over falchion in their current states

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah I don't feel its overshadowed, the Falchion feels right for its goal

[mortal aspen]

from what I've heard Falchion is much weaker than PSword

[buoyant pewter]

It's on a damage level, yes

[void dragon]

"you triggered my fight or flight instincts and I'm a flightless bird with a power sword"

[mortal aspen]

PSword kills everything

[buoyant pewter]

[calm vine]

is the power falchion good? what are the blessings for it?

[void dragon]

Falchion kills all too, but slower, and in trade it's mobility is much better and helpful for weapon swap styles

[umbral rock]

this is so crazy to hear. I've always considered power sword to be one of the weakest weapons in the entire game

well okay not always

[buoyant pewter]

It's insanely strong for the ability to OHKO crushers with push-stab

And mostly just cut through big armored stuff with a great deal of ease

[viscid salmon]

yea, the gun is fun, it does good damage and i love the new mark being so much more controllable compared to the previous mark, but the ammo even when youre just clearing out ranged elites/specialist/disablers feels just a bit too low. Even with me running funny shredders and melee the ammo economy for the bolter specifically is just kinda low. I probably prefer running the boltpistol on vet since i also get lethal proxy on it for more shredding

[mortal aspen]

💀

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah, same thoughts. BPistol giving that +25% range is wonderful

it helps horde clear so much

[viscid salmon]

im also running scavenger obviously but thats around 1 round per 5 seconds which means that to get a full magazine of 12 its a minute

[rough adder]

Have you tried picking up ammo

[buoyant pewter]

Also if you ever want something stupid to run to deal with armored clowncars; run Kraks with the BPistol, the range increase can knock out a bunch of them when they're all bunched up

[viscid salmon]

nah never occurred to me mate

[buoyant pewter]

It's quite funny when events throw 12 Crushers in a posse at you

[rough adder]

survivalist was never meant to be your sole source

[viscid salmon]

were aware

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-well-where-is-it-looking-for-something-gif-5291661

"Where did it all go????"

[viscid salmon]

the convo was that even with it and the ammo on the ground (without being too much of a vacuum cleaner) the ammo on the boltgun is pretty tight

[rough adder]

(And surprisingly it actually was before they add a 5seconds cooldown)

Like in old hishock you can literally have more ammo after a special wave than before

[viscid salmon]

ngl ive done few rounds yesterday with the new kraks, and then went back to shredders

gotta clear out trash

[buoyant pewter]

Shredders are just generally way better

Yep

Just sometimes need a little break from the norm XD

[viscid salmon]

well, for me the norm used to be kraks

[buoyant pewter]

Ahhhh

[viscid salmon]

i took them religiously since if you see something you dont like, just chuck a krak at it

but then i started playing shredders and it was somewhat nicer to play

[buoyant pewter]

It helps deal with those major horde waves way better

Relieves pressure on not just you, but also the whole team

[viscid salmon]

plus now with the grenadier being fused together with the twin nades its also way stronger

[buoyant pewter]

Overall the perk tree bloat being cut down makes me happy

I was so tired of taking 12 to 13 grey nodes

[viscid salmon]

yea this was a great talent tree overhaul

less tax nodes

[loud kiln]

My general way to play the game, whack it, and if I can't, shoot it.

[candid pasture]

has anyone found any joy with executioners stance?

[umbral rock]

yes

[buoyant pewter]

I have, the new version is quite nice

[buoyant aurora]

That bleeding from shredders kicks ass when it stacks, anything except Crushers would just die, it's amazing

[umbral rock]

absolutely this update, with a fixed version of marksmans's focus too holy shit it actually feels good to use

[mortal aspen]

krak krak krak krak

[buoyant aurora]

Anyone used Kraks on havoc tho? Are they viable with that dmg upgrade node? At least on monsters?

[viscid salmon]

executioner stance having 10% toughness per sec is also a nice added bonus, i still like the shout more since it helps in annoying situations but the exec is now id say much better than before. Plus the refresh happens on melee kills as well so you can activate it, switch to melee and go ham for constant 10% toughness regen

[buoyant pewter]

kill feed becomes a dozen dead crushers

[buoyant pewter]

Shout will always be the best 'teamplay' option and 'ohshit' button, yarh

Exe is very fun though

[viscid salmon]

they got rid of "For the Emperor"

[buoyant aurora]

Wait, really?

[buoyant pewter]

Yee

[viscid salmon]

muh free damage for everyone is gone

[buoyant pewter]

It is gone

[buoyant aurora]

Whaaaa

[umbral rock]

the stun can be really nice on monstrosites yeah and there used to be an old vet build that could kill any monstrosity just with kraks but i'm not sure if it works anymore. I usually just see people run shredder frags in havoc tho

[viscid salmon]

highly heretical behaviour

[buoyant aurora]

That's a big shame, geez

[mortal aspen]

what did it do?

[umbral rock]

more damage on ult activation

[mortal aspen]

oh that one

[buoyant aurora]

Yeah same, that's why Im asking, literally don't know how much dmg does it do, guess I'll have to make a build myself and see

[mortal aspen]

probably not that good anyway with nerfed CDR

[mortal aspen]

you won't kill bosses with kraks, but tinkerer is 100% needed to oneshot Havoc crushers

[viscid salmon]

i mean 10% melee and ranged damage for everyone for 10 seconds would be still pretty good

[mortal aspen]

they just barely oneshot auric crushers without tinker

[viscid salmon]

even with worse CD

[mortal aspen]

wasn't it 5 seconds?

[viscid salmon]

nah 10

[buoyant pewter]

Grenade Tinkerer just feel mandatory across the board

[buoyant pewter]

FtE from what I remember was 10

[buoyant aurora]

Copy that.

[umbral rock]

its funny cuz I was making a video that used For The Emperor for a build to kill plague ogryns in 1 mag of an autopistol... and then the next week they changed all the talents and removed that one...

[buoyant pewter]

I might have it mixed up with the headshot strength one though

[candid pasture]

i feel like, stacking "chink in their armour", "rending strikes" and "onslaught" can severely help with recon las damage on crushers tbh

[buoyant pewter]

Oh so I did get it mixed up with the weakspot one

[viscid salmon]

i remember it being 10, oh well

[buoyant aurora]

My stupid ass thought yall were talking about the mod LMAO

[mortal aspen]

Does anyone have data on the new Skirmisher uptime btw?

[buoyant pewter]

Yep!

All the shred is nice

[candid pasture]

i had good results on my green recon las with it tbh

exe uptime was nearly 100%

born leader and covering fire helps keep peoples toughness healthy in melee too

[buoyant pewter]

Yuh! Born Leader + Catch a Breath is standard in all my stuff cause it effectively gives passive toughness regen to the team consistently

[candid pasture]

kinda wanna make a ranged weighted build that offers support but doesn't leave me as a shout bot tbh

[buoyant pewter]

The best option I've found for that is running Lasgun with ammo-crit setup.

Though if playing anything above AM's, it gets very tough and the team has to alter their setups for it

[viscid salmon]

kinda wish they had changed the shout subtalent, the revive one pretty much noone runs since the reduction in range AND CD increase is just CBT

[candid pasture]

think it'll be coming in time

[mortal aspen]

pay2lose talent

[candid pasture]

if they made the revive one only add CD to it when you actually picked someone up with it stacking based on how many you rez it would be better

[viscid salmon]

real

honestly, i wouldnt mind them just getting rid of the revive and instead making it more offensive

like shouting procs X stacks of bleed, or similar

[buoyant pewter]

Frankly, my thought would be just removing all the negatives from the perk as a whole would be better, cause even with them gone it wouldn't get picked in higher tier content anyway. As downs don't matter as much in most statics due to revive speed and focusing on not getting downed in the first place, where Gold Bar toughness is worth so much more.

[viscid salmon]

or applies a debuff to enemies hit by shout

[candid pasture]

too close to nuncio or zealot shout

[mortal aspen]

a debuff would make a lot of sense, something like the Arbites drone does

[mortal aspen]

thank you!

[hollow ibex]

so yeah pretty good lol

[buoyant pewter]

Dang

I didn't realize it was that much now

With it being slides I guess it makes sense

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[mortal aspen]

do you intentionally refresh it or it just happens noramlly?

[hollow ibex]

MASSIVE upgrade over old

[hollow ibex]

i honestly forgot about it entirely

so wasn't intentionally trying to keep it up

[mortal aspen]

[hollow ibex]

was just like "huh my frags are doing a shit ton of damage"

[candid pasture]

can we respect the 100% uptime on not getting hit with a melee

[hollow ibex]

i rigged the stats

that doesn't sound right lol

[mortal aspen]

I played my standard Axe+DB WS build and I felt like my DB was doing more damage than before

[hollow ibex]

yeah same

the damage was pretty insane

and from frags

[buoyant pewter]

You just turned on Ultra Instinct for a bit

[hollow ibex]

this was the match

[candid pasture]

are smokes as good in game as they look on paper?

[hollow ibex]

i def took a lot of damage

[candid pasture]

i tend to stick to shredders

[hollow ibex]

including one time i accidentally popped a burster in cqc with a single hiit

oops

[hollow ibex]

they're good, though still less useful in auric than the other nades imo

def good for the event tho

[candid pasture]

i can get that

[north flicker]

3 more levels

[viscid salmon]

i like this

[candid pasture]

like i guess it depends very much on how many shooters to chaff there is in the op

[buoyant pewter]

They act as 'terrain' for enemy shooters outside it, and give you space when dealing with machinegun waves very well, other than that I don't feel they do as much as some people claim they do.

Now if you're running a Solo and doing stealth shenanigans, they're a obvious pick. But in most games I only saw them as a way to shut down shooters outside of the horde blobs.

[hollow ibex]

they're good in havoc / the current event

otherwise they're like bubble imo

don't need them

[rough adder]

They are also a good way to force some specials to get closer to you

[buoyant pewter]

I've not tried them in havoc, only ever messed around with them in AM's, may give them a shot in a havoc down the line with my static

[candid pasture]

yeahh i suppose, i haven't tried out havoc, kinda just QP aurics and damnations rn so don't really know if people like to go all rounder or specialise heavily in havoc statics

[buoyant pewter]

Hmmmm, hadn't realized they actually do that.

They path into the cloud I assume then?

Or last position like other ranged enemies?

[hollow ibex]

they have to get up real close

often into the cloud

[buoyant pewter]

That's...actually really quite nice then

[candid pasture]

would be good for plasma and sniper packs

[rough adder]

they block sightlines for specials too

[hollow ibex]

good for shit like dogs

as well

[rough adder]

so flamers have to go through the cloud to spew fire to you

[buoyant pewter]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[rough adder]

and yeah dogs

[buoyant pewter]

I may need to really give them a shot when our bubble Psyker is not in the group in Havocs then

[north flicker]

The event also dumps sniper packs onto you like its free candy

[rough adder]

That's just vent purge

[north flicker]

Oh, right

But then you get the plasma gunners on top 😄

[sharp hamlet]

Free laser light show my guy

[north flicker]

Yes, too bad there was no dance emote

[sharp hamlet]

So true

[candid pasture]

snipers when visability is nothing because vents are screwed 🤌

snipers when a smoke grenade obscures vision the same ammount 😭

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/black-templar-sister-of-battle-warhammer-40k-dancing-space-marine-gif-16084334959388278613

[north flicker]

Game is really nice, dumps me near the end of a story mission, I spend like 10 minutes doing the mission and then, full XP

[candid pasture]

i get that it'll never happen but a mission that goes down an active trenchline outside the hive would be neat

[buoyant pewter]

That would be really fun

[candid pasture]

random tanks rolling over the top and stuff

[viscid salmon]

silent crushers are my new sleep paralysis demons

fuckin ninja crushers materializing in my shadow

didnt even hear the cursher overhead until it was too late

[mortal aspen]

silent plasma gooners are the new trend

[desert valve]

I've become a Bullgryn for the sole purpose of obliterating Plasma Gunners.

[bleak tendon]

That fuckass red glow illuminating their smirk before they shoot you

[void dragon]

That is my bane, only thing that kill me when I'm going ultra instinct: big hush bonk

[hollow ibex]

gunners that are nearly as tanky as maulers, while being far more dangerous, while also looking like a far less dangerous elite (shotgunners) and having no audio cues

[void dragon]

Would not mind if they had louder audio cues

[hollow ibex]

this is why fatshart neesd to just stop cooking up new enemies

[hollow ibex]

doesn't matter if the cues never play

[void dragon]

True

[hollow ibex]

the last enemy they added was tox bomber

and now they add this shit

yeah yeah radio operator was a thing, but it was just an event enemy

[void dragon]

I do like fighting mauler's that are lame in melee but scary at range

Been using smokes specifically to bully them

[mortal aspen]

I really just can't see or hear them

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/ZN2kqij

[mortal aspen]

even when I'm looking at them directly, I just see a normal gunner

until it oneshots my toughness

[calm shard]

I don't mind them in their normal mission spawn rates

[hollow ibex]

Sounds like they’re awful in havoc too

[calm shard]

Having regular enemies that are threatening is good for higher difficulties

[fading yarrow]

I'm ngl chief I don't vibe with the whole Being Hard To Tell From Shotgunners thing

The bright glowing red gun and visor and spiked helmet are just dead giveaways

I also don't get the criticism about cueing their shots because I feel like I can hear them from miles away no matter how chaotic it gets

Especially with the loud chuggachugga of the shots charging

[hollow ibex]

that's cool bro

you'll find that very few people agree with you

[fading yarrow]

Skill issue ig

[mortal aspen]

compared to shotgunner telegraphing it's night and day

[void dragon]

My issue is the lack of spawn sound, you can fight them when you know they are around, but is REALLY hard to deal with a swarm of melee enemies and then get shot in the back by one of those long distance jerks as cue

[mortal aspen]

and shotgunner is 1\10 as dangerous

[hollow ibex]

yeah. i don't get how the devs can be so shit at the game

it's literally they're one job

[north flicker]

Is there a CD on heatsink?

[calm shard]

I do think plasma gunners should be a bit louder

[void dragon]

Easy to see and more closer

[void dragon]

And plasma gunners should be even more loud and bombastic like trapper

[hollow ibex]

the fact is that when shit gets really bad, you're not going to be thinking "oh this guy has a spike on his helmet, and the shotgunner of the same height next to him doesn't have a spike on his helmet"

[umbral rock]

no its just a flat rate over 3 seconds, more kills just reset the duration

[hollow ibex]

hell when i'm running exec stance

and it's just the sillhouettes highlighted, they blend in even more

[void dragon]

Mark enemies, PLEASE I implore you all

[mortal aspen]

again, I can dodge a pack of shotgunners with my eyes closed, that's how well they're telegraphed

[north flicker]

Okay, so thats a good blessing to pick if you want lower CDs on heat?

[hollow ibex]

and yeah shotgunners are just much better telegraphed

[mortal aspen]

and shotgunners are synced somehow, maybe, idk?

plasma goons definitely aren't

[hollow ibex]

of course none of this matters for badass players like @fading yarrow

[left patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-in-philadelphia-danny-devito-gif-27247841

[umbral rock]

I'd say so yeah. easiest to have uptime on

[left patrol]

rediscovering krak

[calm shard]

okay this I don't agree with as an exe player

[hollow ibex]

but for us lowly plebians, we need better cues

[tropic halo]

plateface kinda rocks for vet

[calm shard]

their silhouette doesn't blend with any of the other elites/specialists imo

they def stand out

[hollow ibex]

i don't think so

[fading yarrow]

Correct. If you can't see the giant glowing red gun or hear its extremely loud charge-up sound, that's on you

[hollow ibex]

yes it's on me the audio engine is broken all the time

and no shit sherlock

[void dragon]

More bucket heads yeah

[hollow ibex]

i see the red gun

doesn't solve the issue

any other deep insights you have to offer?>

[fading yarrow]

Yes. Get good

[north flicker]

Cool, thx Mwoss.

Gonna see if it also reduced the CD time when its overheated ;D

[mortal aspen]

mod to add giant ground circles for plasma goons when

[north flicker]

After I leveled it a bit

[hollow ibex]

says the guy who doesn't even know how enemies should be designed

[void dragon]

Audio should be louder, that's it imo

[hollow ibex]

doesn't matter if it never plays

you trust the audio engine to work properly?

[fading yarrow]

🤷‍♂️ You're the one dying to them and getting upset

[hollow ibex]

it'll also turn off the moment there's a burster within the same zipcode

[void dragon]

Nope, spider sense is there in my mods BECAUSE I don't believe in ObeseFish

[viscid salmon]

i dont mind the plasma gunners, but the event is kinda cancer sometimes when out of nowhere 7 of them arrive and while youre dodging one the other hits you. I dont mind them that much when they are alone or two

[unreal nova]

What sound? I saw people die instantly to 10 of them making literally no sound.

[hollow ibex]

lol projecting much. they're annoying as fuck to fight, but i haven't been dying to them. i do notice pubbies like you dropping like flies the moment one shows up though.

[wind grotto]

it's shocking how many times i've seen someone instantly die to the plasma gun goon squad who didn't make a single sound including when they fired

[hollow ibex]

you're going to die on this stupid fucking hill

[void dragon]

Not true mate

[umbral rock]

Guys I think they should add a plasma autogunner ogryn enemy with carapace armor, this would fix the problem

[void dragon]

They can be big nova

[hollow ibex]

don't come back crying when you get gangbanged by a pack of plasma gunners that didn't have cues

[mortal aspen]

Rumbler Reapers

[wind grotto]

the moment I see the glowing red gun I just throw grenades or take cover around a door and pray they get closer or I can slowly kill them before they all silently kill me

[unreal nova]

Thing is, if they were specialist hard limited to like 2-3 max, sure. 14 of them is not fun at all.

[void dragon]

@hollow ibex ok relax mate

[fading yarrow]

It ain't my hill. You're the one who pinged me with snark when I shared my experience and opinion, and then you proceeded to meltdown

[unreal nova]

Or hard locked behind a plasma salvo modifier. They can show up in packs of 7+ on normal games even.

[wind grotto]

I usually don't have too many audio problems and it's like a rare trapper or poxburster every 3 or 4 maps that will be completely silent

but the plasma guys are silent like every 4th pack of them

and the entire pack is dead silent

[hollow ibex]

if can't take it, don't dish it

simple as

[fading yarrow]

You're the one who can't take it lol. You started dishing it and started getting pissy when I returned it

[mortal aspen]

idk, denying that plasma goons are not as well telegraphed as other specials\elits is just being disingenuous

[fading yarrow]

.

[mortal aspen]

darktide is usually very good at sound cues

but not this time

[wind grotto]

it's incredibly bad design that they even made yet another enemy that relies on audio cues to dodge when they have still to this date not fixed the audio issues

[mortal aspen]

even when it's working, the plasma shots just don't stand out as much as shotgunner loading their shots or trappers firing nets etc.

[hollow ibex]

.

[wind grotto]

yeah it also needs to just be way louder

[hollow ibex]

we are literally not playing the same game

[slow spade]

People really thinking the plasma gunner isn't dogshit design is hilarious

[hollow ibex]

are you playing darktide patch 428?

when the audio engine is actually working?

[wind grotto]

carapace helmet is also fucking insane

[slow spade]

People really will just accept whatever dogshit companies pump out

[unreal nova]

Also sounds like captains if they make sounds... and they fire much faster so...

[mortal aspen]

nah, cara helmet is cool

[tall torrent]

so uh
they broke the stagger calculation which is why everything staggers better than they did

[mortal aspen]

unique for a ranged enemy

[wind grotto]

they should have like double sniper health at most

[slow spade]

It needs to be angrier

[tall torrent]

it's a known bug and will be fixed

[wind grotto]

if they're going to have a cara helmet

[slow spade]

Give it more skulls

[umbral rock]

mm yes I have 1 unique experience that differs from the vast majority of the population. I should express that I am superior to these whelps by claiming that my opinion must be objectively correct because so many people disagree with me and then when they argue I will say that they are simply angry and irrational

checkmate liberal

[unreal nova]

On 300 ping, you just die. Since 3 shots kill a vet with no extra hp.

[slow spade]

Ah and here I thought I stacked enough strength on my sword :c

[hollow ibex]

i don't mind tanky ranged elites, that's honestly the least of the plasma shotgunner's issues

[unreal nova]

It deletes gold toughness to 0 in 1.

[hollow ibex]

carapace armored head makes plasma gunners pretty unique

[unreal nova]

You die in 2 shots at 150 hp.

[wind grotto]

if they're going to be as dangerous they should not also be ludicrously tanky

[hollow ibex]

that's fine for me from a design perspective

[hollow ibex]

i think it'd be fine if the cues and visual designs made them way more obvious

but they aren't

[buoyant aurora]

This, even with all the toughness dmg reduction on vet, crazy

[wind grotto]

either that or they should be hard coded to only spawn 1 or maybe 2 per wave even if the audio is fixed

[unreal nova]

I don't mind it in ways, but with the new bs stuff... lul.

[hollow ibex]

also doesn't help that the event is also in vent purg / lights out

so makes the visibility even worse lol

[wind grotto]

I'm fine with the plasma removing toughness thing because thats what they've done since the game came out with the captains, but it's just really poor design on an enemy who is tanky as fuck

[slow spade]

I'm curious how Havoc players are dealing with plasma gunners

Red stim gunners probably just 2 tap

[wind grotto]

havoc players love to constantly be sliding and immune to ranged damage

[hollow ibex]

smokes?

[wind grotto]

because they love not having fun

[slow spade]

Ah right

[wind grotto]

so I imagine it's really not an issue

[slow spade]

I really sleep on smokes

[umbral rock]

i don't even think its that they're tanky, they seem to have a health pool similar to like shotgunners, they just have carapace head armor which makes them much harder to kill most of the time, I find the problem is that they spawn in such huge groups but I imagine that wont be as big an issue after the event

[unreal nova]

Yep, vet just dies if you get hit once. Absolute bs, they fire even faster than Rodin/NOT Rodins and captains.

[slow spade]

There's always that one asshole that waits until the slide ends :c

[fading yarrow]

If you scroll up to that, you'll note that I didn't go down the route of saying I'm better until Sirosky started putting words in my mouth. I was only sharing my own experience until he started chatting shit, and I chatted shit in return because him going crazy was funny to me

[wind grotto]

but I did start just bringing smokes to the event levels

[umbral rock]

who asked

[wind grotto]

it mostly solves it but then people don't want to stand near the smoke

[slow spade]

A shame Plasma Gunners can't get Yellow stim for +30% attack speed and +400% projectiles

[fading yarrow]

Hey, you pinged me lol

[wind grotto]

because smokes are still kind of annoying for your teammates

maybe some day they'll make smokes do like anything for people standing in them and pubbies will do it

[buoyant aurora]

That would be hilarious, especially if they could slide on the ground like most do

[slow spade]

Yeah that's part of why I don't take stims. It feels rude and I can't see with exec stance either :c

[wind grotto]

you can see if you're inside the smoke well enough

[slow spade]

I still swear by stim-filled smokes

[wind grotto]

but I think it's just a badly designed effect for a team game

I don't know what they should do for the smokes to be clear, but it should be literally anything

stamina regen, toughness regen, I don't care just a small something

they're very good right now but people just refuse to stand in them

or behind them

[vital wedge]

Oh we die, by a lot. managed to climb up to 38 and then drop down to 32 😭

combined with mission abort and crash

[buoyant aurora]

Yeah they are a pain on havoc, can't 1hit kill them no matter which ranged weapon you use, not even Helbore Lasgun can

Mayhaps charged plasma but yea good luck with ammo

[slow spade]

Lol yeah that's what I figured

[slow spade]

Surprised to hear helbore can't, I've seen Crushers 1-taps with the Helbore on Auric

I suppose too risky of a build

[buoyant aurora]

Yeah it was a surprise to me as well. Helbore is lovely but damn... Maybe with exec it can but who brings that on Havoc

[slow spade]

Very confident people UwU

[buoyant aurora]

"remove them before they remove you" lmao

[vital wedge]

and people in reddit think CDR nerf is good

[mortal aspen]

it is good

healthy change

[nimble hazel]

It feels healthier for the game's overall balance, yeah

[vital wedge]

not while the total HP pool of enemy like this imo

[mortal aspen]

braindead ability spam is cringe

[void dragon]

Vs the plasma gunner menace I found that smokes are a hard counter, their melee is garbo and if you can force them to get close they die easy in spite of their higher health

[nimble hazel]

Having shout on a lower CD wouldn't help you with the enemy HP pool though

It'd just help with your HP pool

[mortal aspen]

Exe stance is pretty much permanent still

with ogryn node

[mortal aspen]

the HP change is also good in theory

[void dragon]

Counter shooting the small gunners is a good thing, but the extra time for the ogryn one is quite useful too, specially for becoming a toughness battery for the team

[mortal aspen]

because fewer tough enemies > more pushover spam

[vital wedge]

What I mean is if the team stay alive longer with the shout then they can deal with enemy later.

[nimble hazel]

No no I get that

[delicate estuary]

can someone tell me why I am not getting any stamina from stamina curios ?

[nimble hazel]

I just think arguing that it turns the fight into a (good) endurance battle isn't necessarily a good thing

[crude wind]

HP change is absolutely necessary

[delicate estuary]

or well at least the bars visually dont increase past 4

[crude wind]

If anything they could go further

Certain enemies were missed

[rough adder]

Stamina don't show how much stamina you have anymore just the percentage

[delicate estuary]

bruh

thats so counterintuitive

[rough adder]

Yeah I hope they add an option for using the old one

[crude wind]

I prefer the new one

[delicate estuary]

I do not

[mortal aspen]

why?

[delicate estuary]

I dont like getting gaslit by UI elements for fun

[mortal aspen]

in combat it doesn't really matter, does it?

[delicate estuary]

it does when you use deadshot

[vital wedge]

Why? I know that player now have optimal weapon since crafting rework but that's all I can think of.

[mortal aspen]

how does deadshot change that

[rough adder]

I like they used to show much stamina i actually have, because push cost staminat by value not percentage

[crude wind]

Because the game was piss easy before as players had been powercrept to fuck

[mortal aspen]

anyway "mods will fix it" (tm)

[rough adder]

If i use one bar push I have four stamina bar i know i can push four times

[crude wind]

Time to powercreep those enemies

[delicate estuary]

because I see 4 bars instead of whatever the actual amount is

there is no visual feedback

[rough adder]

If i just have a percentage there really isn't much clear way to tell

[crimson wyvern]

had to think for a good while on why i looked so odd on the results screen

[rough adder]

other than "I checked the stamina value before and i know pushing cost this percentage of my bar"

[delicate estuary]

does it still add a flat amount of stamina so if my ranged weapon is 2 stam and I have 6 from curios its 8 total ? or how does that work ? or did they change it to multiplicative

[crimson wyvern]

err....???

[rough adder]

i dont think they changed it?

[obtuse elm]

Should I replace shattering impact for pinning fire for the mk3 boltgun?

[hollow ibex]

Prob pinning and shattering together

But I am very not a fan of the new bolter

[sly orchid]

vro thinks shes gaia from baki

[crimson wyvern]

its true, I was the only person that bought the bandanna

makes me feel specila

[sly orchid]

made you feel bonita

[boreal sentinel]

Looking like a motorcycle gang member

[viscid salmon]

after playing a bit more with the falchion

https://tenor.com/view/trash-know-your-place-rage-gif-15305560

its just kinda mid

[hollow ibex]

lol it really is

Blessings kinda cuck it

[umbral rock]

I feel like we're not using the same weapon

[viscid salmon]

idk for me the moveset isnt doing it

i like lawbringer out of the two, but idk

id rather just use chainsword tbh

[serene bough]

For melee and ranged or just melee

[umbral rock]

power falchion is the only melee weapon on vet I've found to be enjoyable to use so far. dueling sword is good but I just don't like using it. I've had the most fun with shovel and shock maul before falchion came out and now falchion is goin crazy for me

[tall torrent]

The entire stagger calculation which means all

[tropic halo]

The more been playing falchion, the more i am actually starting to get used to

just needs some practise t

[serene bough]

That explains a lot lol

[obtuse raft]

Literally me fr

[serene bough]

My inf las body shots were knocking over enemies sometimes

[tropic halo]

TTK is slower than PS of course

[viscid salmon]

idk to each their own, i dont like it in mixed hordes and against armored diff spikes.

[mortal aspen]

Taxe\Caxe tho

[hollow ibex]

You really like mid weapons huh

Nothing wrong with that

[umbral rock]

straight up mk1 sapper shovel annihilates armored units with the right setup

[hollow ibex]

It’s still the definition of mid though

[serene bough]

I like the falchion moveset

The dmg does seem a bit lacking though

[hollow ibex]

Just because vet got a bunch of juiced talents doesn’t mean the weapon still doesn’t need help

[rough adder]

Personally I think i still enjoy shovel a bit more than power falchion.

[umbral rock]

I meant before this update dropped

shovel still like 3 shot crushers

[hollow ibex]

It was mid then too

[hollow ibex]

What difficultly

[umbral rock]

auric+

[hollow ibex]

Wait which shovel

[umbral rock]

mk1

not the one with the powerful overhead

the one with the poke

[hollow ibex]

3 shots crushers?

Do you have a clip?

Because that’s a pretty wild claim

[rough adder]

I think it's probably doable if it's three push attack

[umbral rock]

I'm sure somewhere if I go back in my streams, I don't have one on hand at the moment though

[hollow ibex]

It shouldn’t be

[umbral rock]

this yes

[hollow ibex]

You realize that psword, vets strongest melee

Can barely three shot crushers

[calm shard]

I hadn't actually thought about that with exe vet's newfound immortality via regen

[hollow ibex]

So I’m very doubtful shovel can

[umbral rock]

I

[rough adder]

and probably at full stack uncanny

[calm shard]

Having Exhilarating Takedown, MMF, and the toughness regen from exe itself

[umbral rock]

I'll literally boot up rn and see if I can make a build that does it cuz I dont have a clip on hand

[calm shard]

You can probably regen peoples toughness better than a VoC veteran can via born leader xd

[umbral rock]

Its a build I used to run all the time though

[calm shard]

Just no yellow

[rough adder]

and probably have one or two of them be crits

[hollow ibex]

I can test when I get home

Going to be a while though

[hybrid plover]

Full stack uncanny skullcrusher with push attack combo could actually three shot a crusher on auric

[hollow ibex]

Been meaning to try shovel again

[hybrid plover]

...once upon a time.

[hollow ibex]

Do you know how many hits now?

[hybrid plover]

But it probably won't do that anymore since crushers are beefed up significantly now

[umbral rock]

Im gonna test right now, not sure its still possible after the health increase but I'll see what i can manage

my point is that shovel is goated and people sleep on it too hard

same for shock maul

[hollow ibex]

Both weapons are fine

[rough adder]

This

[hybrid plover]

No idea and given I'd just use shovel with serrated anyway, probably won't be consistent.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I’d run serrated as well

[candid agate]

i really hope the new auric difficulty filters out the bad players soon

[tall torrent]

Bulwark and reaper?

[winter spoke]

guys i forgor my build

[gilded wraith]

If anyone gets bored and uses uptime, I'd love to see your results here https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1nqcetu/uptime_mod_data_collection_help_request/

[hybrid plover]

For some reason, there has been an abundance of not just shroudfield players, but infiltrate players

[crude wind]

Can't say, sorry

[hybrid plover]

And a lot of them are uh

[winter spoke]

hi thats me

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[hybrid plover]

Not great.

In Auric

[hoary marsh]

Getting the penance. Lol

[tall torrent]

Do y know when they’ll fix the broken stagger calculation + mag size bug

I want to update my guide’s weapons but I can’t test stagger with this

[winter spoke]

is it fair to say veterans got it the best out of all the tree reworks?

[hybrid plover]

Zealot

[winter spoke]

ah. close second?

[hoary marsh]

I don't know. My wife plays zealot and has solo several bosses so far.

[hybrid plover]

Veteran still needs some work IMHO with its pathing

[winter spoke]

fair enough

[hybrid plover]

But it's still significantly better than where it was before

[hoary marsh]

Yeah I was hoping for pathing closer to Arbites. Not quite there. But still an improvement.

[hybrid plover]

Zealot though?

[hoary marsh]

Zealot true is amazing, wife almost immortal and getting like 100% more melee damage.

[hybrid plover]

I have not had as much fun playing crusher zealot ever.

[hollow ibex]

Vet second rework when

[gilded wraith]

From the lowest branch where you can shift over a column, these are the points it takes to reach a keystone for each class: Veteran 6, Arbites 3, Zealot 4, Ogryn 3, Psyker 4.

[winter spoke]

smoke grenades now deal DoT to enemies and you

[hoary marsh]

Yeah thats why I was hoping for veteran to get closer to the others.

[gilded wraith]

Same, 4 would be great.

[turbid ibex]

i think the only place where pathing is still a significant issue is at the bottom

[crude wind]

i have basically 0 interaction with bug fixing devs

[hybrid plover]

Unfaltered is the best thing they could have done to zealot

[crude wind]

i report bugs to a forum, same way I guess everyone else does

[turbid ibex]

ye that

[hybrid plover]

Hence, significantly better.

[hoary marsh]

Maybe they see the vet over performing or something on there end and added a bunch of changes but stopped short out of fear of being to op?

[rough adder]

Safer to charge plasmagunners

[hollow ibex]

Mid too

[rough adder]

Or in the case of a shit player

Safer to run away from plasmagunners

[hybrid plover]

Still needs work.

[hoary marsh]

Either way I see allot of Vet players nowadays.

[hybrid plover]

But it's still very good rn

[hoary marsh]

Power Falchion is great. I love it.

[turbid ibex]

i think its more so that this iteration of vet's tree is provisory

zealot seems to have been the main focus of the reworks

[sharp trail]

is serrated blade used specifically for knife or are there any other melee weapons that can make some use out of it

[gilded wraith]

I went back to my rashad... but it's my comfort food.

[hoary marsh]

Yeah thats what I was thinking.

[hollow ibex]

Best on knife but technically works on any weapon

[hybrid plover]

Anything with uncanny can get good returns

[turbid ibex]

this part?

[gilded wraith]

This, shovel also due to Uncanny.

[hollow ibex]

Specifically the row with serrated blade and field improv

I’m fine with the rest

But that row is basically a tax

GBITF is still a meme

Serrated blade and field improv are both niche talents

[gilded wraith]

Wish field improv had some stacking for multiple instances if they are going to route the majority of vets through it.

[hollow ibex]

But now they’re mandatory

[hollow ibex]

Yah that’s an issue with the talent too

[hybrid plover]

Idk man, field improv has always been a pretty good node if you could fit it.

[turbid ibex]

i wouldnt call improv niche

[sharp trail]

is it worth taking over field improv if those weapons can't make use of uncanny

[gilded wraith]

Agreed, but now you're likely to have more than two vets with it in a multi vet party.

[hollow ibex]

It’s ok but don’t make it a tax node

[hybrid plover]

Not really tbh

[hoary marsh]

Krak damage boost is a nice boon.

[turbid ibex]

but ye the other talent options in that row could def be better

[gilded wraith]

I do like the krak change... I just find myself holding onto them too long.

[turbid ibex]

but thats more so an issue with the talents themselves rather than the pathing specifically

[sharp trail]

figured, kind of wish there were maybe options for chain weapons to build into bleed but i don't know how effective they'd be

[gilded wraith]

Like I have to find the perfect time to chunk one. Shredder it's always the right time.

[hybrid plover]

By that logic, anything there could have been considered a "tax"

I can see the point there for serrated and gbitf but you only need one of those nodes anyway

Field improv has always been pretty good

[void dragon]

make it to Born leader and you become the team's battery too!

[hybrid plover]

Just couldn't fit it because of the shitty tree before

[hollow ibex]

I mean why make the talent that’s useless if one other person already has it one of the mandatory options lmao

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-gif-21416554

And then serrated blade is niche af

Not bad to have but also dubious value outside of specific builds

[hybrid plover]

I suppose I see your point there actually

[hollow ibex]

Anyway second vet rework when

[red robin]

Ain’t that like planned?

[hybrid plover]

Since there's no difference between one or two people having improv

[gilded wraith]

I kind of feels like the beta testers were Ogryn heavy, and annoyed by Vets that didn't pick it up for Havocs.

[hollow ibex]

I hope so

[rough adder]

It is

[gilded wraith]

"Try skipping it now Sah!"

[red robin]

I think I heard Mr. E say that these changes are like rebalancing but a rework is coming way later

Like winter

[hollow ibex]

I assume that’s the case

[turbid ibex]

again i feel like its more so an issue with the specific talents than the pathing itself

[gilded wraith]

Zealot actually did feel like a rework though.

[hybrid plover]

Could just give more value to Field improv for more than one person running it

[hollow ibex]

Well making us take those specific talents is also a pathing issue

[hybrid plover]

Dunno how

[gilded wraith]

Ammo boxes show count left?

[hybrid plover]

But it's worth a conversation.

[gilded wraith]

NAh... that would be crazy.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah idk how to fix that aspect of the talent

[turbid ibex]

zealot does feel like a full on proper rework

[hollow ibex]

Before it only applied to the item that the vet specifically carried

But that was just bad

[turbid ibex]

just make the effects stack

[gilded wraith]

I remember those days.

[turbid ibex]

[hollow ibex]

8 grenades given per ammo crate use if you have two vets with field improv

[turbid ibex]

maybe ammo crates could get additional uses

[hybrid plover]

Med crates get more max hp

[turbid ibex]

and that ye

its weird they get faster healing but not more healing

[gilded wraith]

Does healing corruption in a corruption effect still drain the pack obscenely fast?

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[gilded wraith]

I cringe everytime someone drops it in goo.

[turbid ibex]

but yeah this is a fairly minor issue compared to the bottom of the tree

[main dock]

How do you guys like the change to the Helbore Lasgun?

[turbid ibex]

good

[tame lodge]

As a Helbore user
Indifferent

I could aim before

I can still aim now

[main dock]

Wish they would have put a proper red dot on there, but even still I do find the built-in iron sights to be a LOT better than a picatiny rail and a prayer.

[tame lodge]

So

Yeah

[umbral scaffold]

why use helbore when you can shovel

[main dock]

Because I can’t bayonet charge with a shovel

[viscid salmon]

new ranged weapon, throwable shovels

[tame lodge]

A bayonet shovel huh

[turbid ibex]

i think ironsights def fit the aesthetic more

[turbid ibex]

new blitz that functions like the zealot knives

[main dock]

I think if a vet tried to affix a shovel to their Helbore Lasgun, the commissar wouldn’t even ask for an explanation, they’d just shoot him.

[viscid salmon]

god please no, i fucking hate the knives

the fact that you cant hold them and they are instant throw irks me so much

[hollow ibex]

They’re amazing though

[turbid ibex]

its good for the role theyre meant to do

[viscid salmon]

im not saying they are bad

im just saying i fucking hate using them

[hollow ibex]

Nothing like nailing a sprinting trapper 20m away

[viscid salmon]

its more that the blitz key is on my mouse so when i press it there might be a minor movement throwing off my aim

[turbid ibex]

mmb?

[viscid salmon]

if i could hold them like assail for example and just chuck em with LMB id like them more

nah, thumb buttons

i play with high DPI so minor movements can just miss

[turbid ibex]

get a heavier mouse

[viscid salmon]

nope

i like my light mouse

[turbid ibex]

5kg mouse

[floral creek]

What's the dump stat on duelling sword?

[north flicker]

Woo

Plasma gun mastery

[fading yarrow]

Mobility

[floral creek]

Oke copy that

[turbid ibex]

mobility is the safest bet

[floral creek]

[fading yarrow]

Cleave is also a common pick for DS's dump

[turbid ibex]

though i remember before rework at least one mark dumped cleave

[hidden dune]

Usually mobility, I saw somebody say finesse but I’ve never believed that

[north flicker]

Whats the go to mark on the helbore lasguns?

[turbid ibex]

dumping finesse is insane

[hidden dune]

That’s what I had said

[floral creek]

So mobility or cleave

[turbid ibex]

4 iirc

[floral creek]

[turbid ibex]

the one with the bayonet slash instead of a stab

[north flicker]

I went west coast customs on my plasma gun.

[floral creek]

Big Dom hasn't come out with content from the update yet

Also qas there talk about the duelling sword taking a hit?

Imho it feels the same, maybe even better

[distant mural]

guys what mark hellbore u using? i tried it with exe stance and it feels so slow

any recommendet blessings and perks?

[north flicker]

Lucius MK IV, for the slashing attack

[sharp epoch]

people run the mark 4 with surgical and weight of fire/no respite

[distant mural]

i have that i think

is it just that slow?

i dont remember it being THAT slow

[grand perch]

you know what kills crushers real good?

[distant mural]

do u allways charge ur shots fullx?

[covert fable]

I was more focused on the funny bug in the bottom right

[sharp epoch]

idk using a whole mag to kill crushers is not very good

[pastel zealot]

i know this is the veteran channel, but i had no luck in zealot chat. could someone please take a look at a build im working with and perhaps give a few pointers for my zealot?

[sharp epoch]

ammo efficient at least

[trim badger]

What mark

[grand perch]

oops i forgot to pick bring it down

[wind grotto]

it's better right now because fatshart fucked up and we do too much stagger with like everything

[covert fable]

It is very fun

[wind grotto]

it's going to be fine when they fix that but only because agile still exists and you can dodge forever while you now have the ludicrously strong parry ability

[north flicker]

I tried the helbore lasgun and its, not for me

[distant mural]

Same im trying laspistol now

Aaand my game crashed great😂

[buoyant aurora]

Lmao it spared you the suffering xD

I mean it is a very fun weapon but... Yeah underperforming

[north flicker]

I also found a build inspecting a rando on the lobby

I just straight up screenshotted everything

[tame lodge]

Understandable

It is an acquired taste after all

[sharp epoch]

a lot of gun builds are like oh this does so much dps then they bring it into a havoc and run out of ammo in a few minutes

[north flicker]

I'm more of a dead man walking plasma man

[buoyant aurora]

Certainly! Plasma is a fine example
Laspistol never had issue with the ammo so that's good

[grand perch]

laspistol is absolutely superb at killing all things unyielding and flak armored. maulers in particular

mk X is one of my go to picks for havoc

[buoyant aurora]

Wait you fr? Have there been ever a buff for it? Have I missed it?

Always seemed eh to me

[grand perch]

no its just way overlooked

[buoyant aurora]

I mean, looking at other lasguns I can tell why :D

[grand perch]

https://youtu.be/6x6JaBaEioY

old vid with old tree but its only gotten better with the new tree

[hollow ibex]

I’m assuming you’re running with deadshot?

[grand perch]

yeah its scavsatemylegs build

with deadshot and ft

only easier to do now

[distant mural]

So flak and uyielding good perks?

[hollow ibex]

lol makes sense

He loves his deadshot

[distant mural]

What blessings u put on a laspistol?

[hollow ibex]

Unyielding and Maniac imo

The flak damage is already excellent

[distant mural]

Unyielding?

[grand perch]

so do i

[hollow ibex]

Dum dum and Infernus or ghost or desperado

Is the usual approach

[distant mural]

Ok nice i have those

Hellblre is just a bit too slow for me

[fading yarrow]

Yeah DS is still great, still 1-2 shots everything

[distant mural]

I feel like by the time im done aiming my team allready killed everything

[tame lodge]

Aim harder

[distant mural]

I really like it honestly it might be very nice withe exe stance cause of the super fast reload

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-waiting-for-do-it-shia-labeouf-gif-15168167

[distant mural]

Im tired boss

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-labeouf-gif-7623945

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/tomi-tominet-free-speech-please-cry-gif-11536424565845720242

[buoyant aurora]

Guess I'll give it a shot again, I love the switch speed the most on it, can save ass in a lot of ways

[sonic pecan]

Vet is still bad.

I await fish reactions.

[distant mural]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-fries-gif-19266272

[buoyant aurora]

May the Cryonic rod freeze thine balls, reject!

[sudden cedar]

Veterans still salty.

[tame lodge]

I would be

[distant mural]

We are well seasoned thank you

[tame lodge]

If I waited 10 months for this power midchion

[willow prairie]

I love them so much

mfs reevolve walking

[deep bone]

Vet feels amazing rn

Fat snork did an adequate job

[distant mural]

Its THE Phish after all

[sonic pecan]

The power falchion and bolt alternate marks are pure shit.

Where is my hellgun and melta

[sudden cedar]

Can we get the Power Falchion too, please? 🥺

[sour elbow]

I like the falchion. :<

And yeah I want hellgun and melta, but I can't see how they'd work in the game. As in, hellgun is just ogryn with a heavy stubber, and the melta would be a delete everything, and how's that gonna be balanced?

[umbral scaffold]

i’m having a hard time finding a good melee weapon that goes well my vet

[sour elbow]

I love the shovel, personally.

Nothing like sending a daemon back to the warp with the flat of a little entrenchment too

[tame lodge]

The same way problematic weapons are balanced

Low ammo

Or unwieldy

[turbid ibex]

hellgun would end up fitting a more lmg niche so it'd prob have stuff like a slow reload, draw speed, low mobility

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-por-que-no-gif-23322568

[midnight wyvern]

hellguns dont have a reload

[turbid ibex]

melta idk im not familiar enough

[midnight wyvern]

I'd guess it would have an overheat lol

[midnight wyvern]

its a cylinder infront of you for likr 10 metres that just gets uninstalled

[turbid ibex]

well lasguns also have 150+ shots before needing to reload and the ones we have can at best fire 36

[midnight wyvern]

it'd blow holes in carapace/bulwarks

[midnight wyvern]

no like

they're backpack fed lol

gunners in game have hellguns

hellgun go brrrt

[deep bone]

Unfortunately we will probably never see it added

[turbid ibex]

wouldnt really work for the players

[deep bone]

Cause it would require a lot of effort

[midnight wyvern]

not with that attitude

[deep bone]

As much as I would love to seen it

[turbid ibex]

it'd need to have an actual bettery pack if we were to get it

[deep bone]

Plasma Pistol would be dope

[fading yarrow]

Would it though

[deep bone]

For FS yeah

[midnight wyvern]

just give it an overheat bar, blessings that make it do different things inside that overheat

[fading yarrow]

^

[tame lodge]

Rof scaling with heat

[deep bone]

Would be cool

Hopefully we get a new gun soon

or at least buff some of the existing ones so that their relevant

[mortal aspen]

they did

[turbid ibex]

ilas

[deep bone]

I love Ilas but it definitely needs a lil help

[turbid ibex]

also yeah vigi got buffed and its pretty good now

[midnight wyvern]

Vigilant autoguns

[turbid ibex]

a lot of help

[deep bone]

Infantry Autoguns could use some love

[loud kiln]

I'm voicing it
I'm gonna, I'm gonna command

[turbid ibex]

nah iautos are good

[midnight wyvern]

do not the Columnus

[fading yarrow]

She command on my of til I voice

[loud kiln]

She weaponed on my speacialist :(

heavy metal noises
Bring it down with the syndrom

[calm shard]

r u sure

[deep bone]

alright fair enough

[calm shard]

agripinaa and vraks are the good ones btw

agripinaa has range

vraks is a death laser that kills everything you point it at...until about 20 meters

[deep bone]

Tbh I have been enjoying the Mk.VII ILas in Auric

Been using it with Exe

It is not unusable

Just gotta be precise lol

[plain osprey]

Sir, the zealot chat is this way -> #zealot-class

[hollow ibex]

Even effective Vraks range has gone up with the damage juicing vet received lol

[calm shard]

oh yeah good point

I should run exe MMF vraks with the new damage talents I can afford to take

and see how quick I can tear apart a burgle with the ranged backstab talent

[plain osprey]

30/40 If youre pushing it. But then again, most engagements on higher diffs dont exceed 10 mtr range because of high enemy density (talking havoc 30 and up)

[plain osprey]

Agrippina also has the sound...

Thuddthuddthuddthuddthudd

[faint beacon]

Covert operative + raking + Dumdum

BON Raid Spray can

[deep bone]

What should I run on Chainsword and Las Pistolv

[shy rose]

what is the prefered dump stat on a plasmagun?

[long dove]

Wassup

[long dove]

It was a mix actually

Idk if it still is the same though

[shy rose]

Whaat i have to make it difficult xD

[long dove]

I can log on to check mine and show you unless someone beats me

[loud kiln]

She spear on my head until i boltgun

[long dove]

Pff

[bleak adder]

Charge rate is the prefered dumpstat if you make it simple, but i think perfect stat roll is 69 charge rate and 71 ammo

Iirc

[long dove]

I remember it between heat and charge

Unless it changed

[bleak adder]

Oh yeah sorry

I meant heat and not ammo

Silly me

[crimson garden]

How’re the new guns/weapons?

[bleak adder]

Personally i just run 60 charge rate

[bleak adder]

The falchion feels awesome

Idk if it's meta or whatever

Dueling sword is still busted

[long dove]

I'm not a fan of the falchion but I may not be using it right

[bleak adder]

But at least veteran isn't a failing class that uses it as a crutch anymore

[crimson garden]

Damn I thought they nerfed it

[long dove]

Nade Vet feels fun

[sturdy herald]

Do you know the ideal combos for the Aridin variant?

[long dove]

If anything it got buffed apparently

[bleak adder]

They kinda did but with the new vet perks it ends up being even stronger than before lol

[long dove]

I was experimenting since no one was answering my fmquestions about it lol

[obtuse raft]

I've seen folks upset the falchion doesn't power creep existing meta melees but it feels great to me for aurics at least

[bleak adder]

Knight if I may ask what do you not enjoy about falch

Im just curious

[faint beacon]

They did just in a bad way

It’s now just DC but even better

[long dove]

Feels slow/clunky. Not like PSword or Relic Blades. But again I may not be using it right with correct stats and perks/blessings

[crimson garden]

I’ve heard some of the new guns we’re better on zealot

[bleak adder]

It is kinda slow indeed but powered on it has really good cleave and it makes it worth it, esoecially if you get the melee speed node + weapons specialist

Without them yeah i agree

[long dove]

Did they make Vigilant guns worth using? Same with Cswords?

[bleak adder]

It feels kinda slow

[bleak tendon]

Hey guys does rending do anything for plasma?

Like anything noteworthy?

[long dove]

That might be my issue. What's the best way to swing? I don't like the upward heavy myself

[long dove]

Idk if rending does anything myself

[hybrid plover]

It helps against crushers mainly

[bleak tendon]

Think it’s good to run the two rending talents for it or pass?

[long dove]

You talking Onslaught?

[bleak adder]

I use mark 1 and just infinitely loop the light attacks with occasional strong swings, but the trick is that the powered on ligjt attacks are good enough themselves to kill basically anyone as they go through armor pretty well frim what I've experienced

[willow prairie]

rotten armor kinda ass with new crusher hp change

[bleak tendon]

Yuh

[bleak adder]

It's 100% not the meta weapon

But i just like its aura

[bleak tendon]

Plus the leftside keystone rending addon

[long dove]

I love Onslaught with Recon Lasgun

[bleak adder]

Cranial grounding + wrath imo are the best blessings

[bleak tendon]

What about plasma tho?

[bleak adder]

Lets you cleave even better and last longer

[long dove]

Hmm

[long dove]

No, doesn't shoot fast enough for Onslaught

[bleak tendon]

Nice alright I’ll grab something else for it

[long dove]

Fast firing weapons are better for onslaught

Plasma get's like 8 shots before overheating

[long dove]

I thought about running the Blessing that makes an explosion when maxing out

that plus the damage scaling with heat

[bleak adder]

I feel like it's kinda unnecessary because you already have grenades for explosions so you might as well use them

[long dove]

yeah fair

Im not the best with builds as you can tell

[crimson garden]

How’s the chainsword on new Vet?

[tribal tangle]

Power falchion suggested dumpstat/perks/blessings so far?

[hybrid plover]

Still mid

[long dove]

Not about being optimal, but having tremendous drip

[crimson garden]

Rip

[tame lodge]

Mobility dump
Not sure about perks, so Flak Maniacs
Cranial Heatsink
Cranial Leakage

[long dove]

so light swings galore?

[midnight wyvern]

is DS4 still best?

[tame lodge]

Not really

Gotta learn some combos

[long dove]

I gotta relearn everything after 2 months away from the game

[sturdy herald]

What might those be?

[tame lodge]

If you want a better horde clear then Mk2
If not, mk4

[long dove]

up up down down left-