veteran-class

[junior grail]

Shield gun variants

I don't mind a Plasma Pistol too

[loud kiln]

Bigger guns

Turn ogryn into an ork

[void dragon]

A human can use an astartes weapon? that sounds too good to be true

[void dragon]

give ogryn a leman russ cannon

also, they are better than ork because we human

[loud kiln]

Can with an astirick. Must would still blow their arm off

Bolt pistol is just the one that can give to anyone and hope they don't break an arm

Which is acceptable risk

(Don't make me a commisar)

Don't quote me on that though, I'm still new to IG lore

[void dragon]

Commissar can still use Laspistols, so you can be fine soldier

[loud kiln]

No, but i would force everyone around me to use bolt pistols and chainswords

[junior grail]

I still remember Sergeant Merrick from DoW2 Retribution carrying a wholeass Autocannon on his back across the entire map

One weapon I know probably won't be in this game but wish it was.

Multilaser

[tame lodge]

Then Arby's wouldn't be mid

[hybrid plover]

You know. Speaking of arbites being mid

[junior grail]

Almost every game with an Arby and me as Vet is competing to try and keep up with scoreboard haha

[hybrid plover]

I do find it funny how in high havoc, I just never see arbites anymore

Even the game I posted before, the host asked if we should take an arbites that requested in and then an ogryn requested and said "nvr mind"

[junior grail]

Wish we could change classes in Mission Prep scene

[hybrid plover]

Wait no it was a havoc before that one

But still

[heavy rover]

oh I thought it was just me, I've been having way better havoc runs when I don't have an arbites in the team

[void dragon]

small-ish question: how many way are there to build a recon lasgun?

[heavy rover]

please don't tell arbites chat, I want to live

[tame lodge]

At least 2

Dumdum Infernus

Dumdum Deathspitter

[hollow ibex]

with infernus (correct)
without infernus (incorrect)

idk what else you'd run

[void dragon]

i have currently 3: one with each keystone and one with onlsaught

[hybrid plover]

Dude I don't even bother with lobbies that have arbites in them anymore

[tame lodge]

Stripped down

For the funny

[heavy rover]

run deadshot too

[hybrid plover]

And those lobbies are never over 30 anyway

[tame lodge]

Ok hear me out

MMF Deadshot

But with only base stamina

If you pick Tunnel Vision

[void dragon]

im working on a build that has that just to tap to max out fire stacks fast while putting onslaught

[tame lodge]

You're guaranteed a small amount of stamina anyways

So just hit your shots

[void dragon]

hell no, Im not taking MMF, will NOT complete that penance out of spite

[fading yarrow]

Switched to my combat knife and bistol nade loadout

Monumentally better performance

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-swim-in-milk-cat-kitty-milk-milk-cat-gif-23473453

[tame lodge]

Greedy

[mortal aspen]

greedisgood

[junior grail]

If they change MMF stacks to tick down over time then I'd consider taking it

[fading yarrow]

I think I'm just gonna run Power Falchion and Bistol if they release commissar drip on Tuesday

[heavy rover]

i mean... you can do it pretty quickly if you use recon las straight into a horde

[junior grail]

Wish the Vet Keystones are reworked

[void dragon]

i know, but im choosing to NOT do it because i consider that fake keystone garbo if it favours non precision weapons better

[hollow ibex]

just take camo

[junior grail]

It should've been "gain stacks on weakspots but lose stacks on non weakspots"

[hollow ibex]

that sounds awful given how shit hitreg is in the game lol

[junior grail]

Can be balanced to gain 3 stacks on weakspot hit, lose 1 stack on non weakspot hit

[primal zealot]

based. fuck that penance

[junior grail]

I still haven't done the Smokes penance and am never going to(in this current state)

[hybrid plover]

smokes penance is ez tho

[sharp epoch]

theyre kinda an afterthought vet didnt even get keystones when talent tree came out

[void dragon]

vet got keystones as a patch, dont think he had a real perk tree rework yet

[solar valve]

they all feel like after thoughts since you have to reach so far down the bottom trees to get them

especially WS

[tame lodge]

Ok but hear me out

Executor blessing

It doesn't drop on missed hits

[hollow ibex]

if it just accumulated on weakspot hits i'd be ok with that

[tame lodge]

Although this just would turn MMF into "just shoot lol"

Instead of
Precision Fire, aye

[junior grail]

Hnnnnngh update is so close, I'm so scared my hopium is gonna leave me disappointed

[compact plume]

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment after all

[junior grail]

What's one more to the pile I guess

[tropic notch]

Smokes are amazing

[tame lodge]

Just up the dosage

Always works

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-relax-game-gif-26468545

[tame lodge]

Bro got pulled off screen

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-muppet-show-theater-theatre-get-off-the-stage-gif-23756594

[willow prairie]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1418918547517603910/Warhammer_40-000-_Darktide_-_2025-09-20_4-20-48_PM.mp4?ex=68d1d89f&is=68d0871f&hm=3e7f0534948f50376ea3fc4c6ec1b2328e301b409febec8050c1869ab2944c66&

[hollow ibex]

oof rip

[grand perch]

I have died at the exact same spot

[thin stone]

BTW how do we know that the veteran rework is a nerf and not a a buff?

Or some changes

[grand perch]

By common sense

And they indicated they know about vet's mediocre state

[frank basin]

Congratulations you found the No ledging box zone

[olive halo]

Veteran rework?

I thought the update was only a new enemy

[pseudo fiber]

I think this one is cope

[pseudo fiber]

But there is at least a mortis map and a vet weapon

[sly orchid]

only speculated

since vet is getting new weapons it would make sense to include his rework in the same update

but most likely it will be the zealot rework

[normal bay]

Let's not let our imaginations run wild

[olive halo]

How did yall deduce that from the one trailer?

I believe yall but I'm just amazed

[pseudo fiber]

Well the mortis map is in the trailer. The vet weapon is in the launcher image

[olive halo]

Lowkey I thought bro was holding an icicle

[olive halo]

Fair enough, I do hope

[olive halo]

Oh god I hope it isn't power cycler weapon

Hate the power sword bcz of that damn constant need to activate it

[pseudo fiber]

It isn't it uses the heat system if the datamines are to be believed

[olive halo]

Thank god

[pseudo fiber]

That's everything that's confirmed

The rest we'll find out todah

[olive halo]

Do we know what time it comes out?

Or just that it's 23rd

[pseudo fiber]

Tomorrow probably like 11am-3pm in Sweden

That's their usual timing

[olive halo]

Gotcha, thanks

[pseudo fiber]

Media embargo is up at like 12 Eastern I think

[sly orchid]

its heat based

[pseudo fiber]

As opposed to... heat cringe

[sly orchid]

saw someone on reddit say that mr e said it was a big update

so well see

[pseudo fiber]

He said "several videos"

Whatever that means

So like one on mortis one on the vet weapon and one on the new enemy

Also he said if you're a fan of him then keep an eye on fatsharks YouTube

Which means they probably brought him in to narrate a video

[junior grail]

I wonder if they'll ever bring chocob onto an official video

No narration, just compilation of skilled high difficulty gameplays

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe

He does speak on his streams

[junior grail]

Where does he stream?

[pseudo fiber]

Twitch

ChocoB

[junior grail]

I see, I've long since went on Twitch

[sly orchid]

blegh

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-futurama-no-feelings-gif-5488075

[grand perch]

If there is no vet rework tell my wife hello

[void dragon]

Vet rework will happen in the 41st millennium, not sooner

[sudden cedar]

If there is no vet rework, tell me, so i can witness all the veteran mains have a meltdown

[spark helm]

Anyone got a fun melee vet build? Got enough materials to just make something new depending.

[toxic reef]

power sword weapon specialist is my go to

[woeful fjord]

I do enjoy power sword with my vet

[spark helm]

Sure. Already got one. What's yalls talent setups then?

I'm fine with just copying shit and running it just because.

[half path]

ogryn rework 2

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fef561f-d897-43d4-841f-66c8a0653a26/briish-plasma-gunner

used that to get true surv earlier. is fun build though i guess it's more of a hybrid setup

oh wait, swap flesh tearer for mercy killer, oops

[void dragon]

I "think" I run something like this with Psword and Laspistol, using the high crit to save ammo and kill stuff, marking enemies for stamina regen to sustain the Deadshot and using smokes to cut gunners to force melee fights where the Psword can do work.

[midnight wyvern]

I'll be okay

I'll still have my build

And a possible new stab stick

[thin stone]

Sussy vet

[gritty mural]

its ok vet shall live on using VOC for eternity and nothing else if there is no rework for classes next update

[grand perch]

MMF new meta you heard it here first

[thin stone]

What's MMF

[muted valley]

MotherMotherFucker

[thin stone]

[grand perch]

Left keystone

[midnight wyvern]

its on the right?

hello

https://tenor.com/view/wondering-curious-thinking-hmm-questioning-gif-79104383058554033

[grand perch]

Y u lying Gollum

[turbid ibex]

Middle Mouse Fuck

[tame lodge]

Middle Mouse Flick

How do you Flick the middle Mouse?
Idk
Get good

[midnight wyvern]

unlock scroll wheel

[frank basin]

dear veteran

i made the bad weapon

[turbid ibex]

Big if true

[tame lodge]

Too much damage

Fake shovel

[frank basin]

50 dmg is average in the game, going high level is going be weakest

the base game mace deal 40 dmg

yeah is already high enough for level 25 shovel

tbf i put str scale dmg stats base for balance

25% of 1 str stats

[crude wind]

How we doing vet chat

Come off suicide watch yet? 😄

[pseudo fiber]

I think we're about 2.5 hours out for that one

[crude wind]

Ahhhh I have jumped the gun. I'll be here for the reacs in 2.5 😉

[pseudo fiber]

What does that mean lol

[crude wind]

Reactions

[pseudo fiber]

Well we'll see. It's 2.5 till embargo unless there's a blog first

[crude wind]

I already know everything, I just like hanging out in the maincord when these things release to the public

[pseudo fiber]

You're a great force of evil. I'm shaking my head right nowm

Anyway new weapon yippee that's something

[tame lodge]

Can't wait for the on block blessings that no one will use

🗣️

[pseudo fiber]

The one that explodes when at max heat and does like 50 damage

[tame lodge]

I've been running overload a lot

I just don't want to manage my heat

Anyways Overload Heatsink Power Falchion

[pseudo fiber]

They're calling it the abyssmal dogshit build meta

[void dragon]

Me on my chonkyus-maximus ogryn tank using the extra damage on block blessing: ss-shut up

[tame lodge]

I just don't want to manage my heat

[jolly bay]

is boltpistol puncture not applying bleed on aoe from shots anymore??

[tame lodge]

Never did

[steep flower]

Dude if they add cranial grounding to it its gonna be op

[tame lodge]

Wonder if it'll have precognition

[steep flower]

Cranial grounding more likely

[turbid ibex]

It'll have postcognition

[steep flower]

Cause same mechanic as relic blade

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-emotiguy-emotiguy-butt-shake-emoji-butt-shake-joe-butt-shake-gif-14427695574209448709

[crude wind]

What is this horror

[high goblet]

Slaanesh heresy right here

[tame lodge]

That is mild

Not even a perfectly shaped ass

Like how Slanny likes it

[turbid ibex]

Youre mild

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-dragging-bottle-owa-gif-19820864

[void dragon]

Drugs like stims ✅
Chaos god worship

[tame lodge]

[void dragon]

You wish, you're just Higui

[high goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769949123008790570/1178742541881974885/cat-hey-dad.gif

[rocky jacinth]

1027 days without a hellgun and counting

[steep flower]

I doubt we will get it; we are convicts

We get lasguns that are used in training (hence the recoil on them)

[rocky jacinth]

We're acolytes, we carry rosettes and we have power swords

So don't even try

[sudden cedar]

We don't have rosettes.

[rocky jacinth]

what's this then

[sudden cedar]

A weapon charm for us players to enjoy.

[sharp hamlet]

We’ll get it one day comrade.

[turbid ibex]

Also we get bolters

[sudden cedar]

If we had actual rosettes, we wouldnt do what we do.

We'd have underlings.

[rocky jacinth]

not necessarily, any trusted agent of the inquisitor might carry one

if the inquisitor thinks you should

[turbid ibex]

Theyre not gonna give bolters to people they dont trust enough

[rocky jacinth]

it's a badge, makes you look more badass

[sudden cedar]

It is not just a badge.

[rocky jacinth]

of course not, but functionally, it's mostly a badge

it also can just be a badge

[sudden cedar]

No.

A rosette is not a badge, it is THE symbol of office for an inquisitor.

It is what gives an Inquisitor the power the Inquisition commands.

[rocky jacinth]

since acolytes with rosettes aren't necessarily the rosette, it can be just a medallion, a tattoo, imagery on a seal etc.

[bleak tendon]

You guys better pray this is the rework

[rocky jacinth]

but it's a symbol of office and authority, having it marks you as a member of that certain inquisitor's warband and you carry the same authority regardless

[sudden cedar]

@bleak tendon This will most likely be a nothingburger.

[bleak tendon]

If we all believe like orks then it might happen

Cmon guys

[rocky jacinth]

ergo, since you get handed your rosette in the level 30 cutscene as rannick invites you to the warband, yeah you're getting your rosette and grendyl wants you looking your best

[sharp hamlet]

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

[bleak tendon]

Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer I know I know

[hollow ibex]

where is this quote from

[bleak tendon]

Darkest dungeon 1

[hollow ibex]

doesn't sound like it's approved by the emperor

sounds HERETICAL

[sharp hamlet]

I want to believe, but my enthusiasm is calibrated.

[sudden cedar]

I have seen this cutscence.

Rannick does do a whole lot of nothing to us.

He executes Mara Vinci, says "Welcome to the Warband" and thats it.

[bleak tendon]

Calibrated is a good way of saying it yeah

Fight back against it 🗣️

[sudden cedar]

Everything beyond this is you making up stuff that fits your narrative.

[rocky jacinth]

wait what

so it's my narrative so i'm wrong and it doesn't matter when we have in-game evidence

[sudden cedar]

Give me the evidence you think of and i might change my opinion on it.

[rocky jacinth]

you want me to just... post the cutscene?

[sudden cedar]

With timestamps etc where you think we are given a rosette from Rannick.

As you stated.

[rocky jacinth]

https://youtu.be/_gDrCn7f3NM?t=123

[sudden cedar]

True enough, i yield to that.

[rocky jacinth]

the way i see it, grendyl would want us waving the thing around, since the inquisition is waging an open war at this point and the more noise you make, the more attention you grab

using a group of idiots with chainswords and plasma guns as a distraction just kinda works

especially if everyone keeps yapping about them being an inquisition kill team

[serene bough]

I love the art and narrative of that game but I reeeeeeeally hate how it plays, such a shame

[sudden cedar]

@rocky jacinth Maybe you are right with the thought. It would make sense that we'd be given some form of badge so that we can identify ourselves as a member of an inquisitorial warband. I still find it weird why its a weapons charm. Would make more sense to have it as a necklace or something like that, given how important it is.

[rocky jacinth]

yeah i hear you, but a lot of the high rarity armors have rosettes around the neck already and the game doesn't have any more cosmetic slots

[bleak tendon]

NEW BOLTERS

[heavy rover]

twitch drops look like they're for vet

[bleak tendon]

WE HAVE NEW BOLTER MARKS

MISTER W

MISTER E LIVE STREAM

POWER FALCHION

POWER FALCHION

[rocky jacinth]

HOLY

[umbral scaffold]

space pirates yarr

[rocky jacinth]

[heavy rover]

holy shit vet, psyker, and zealot changes

[small mason]

absolute cinema

[willow talon]

New tree for us?

[harsh geyser]

maybe

[sly orchid]

tree rework for zealot veteran and psyker

[rough adder]

OK vet rework

[midnight wyvern]

holy

[small mason]

vet rework pluse vet relic blade?

holy buffs

[midnight wyvern]

gyat

[rough adder]

(Please keep duck and dive fatshark i beg you)

[narrow widget]

BOLTER BROS WE STAY WINNING

NEW MARKS???

[grand perch]

vet tree got slimmed and changed around, at least

[heavy rover]

letsgooooo

[midnight wyvern]

heavier bolter

[formal ice]

See Veterans? Told yall you would get nerfed

[midnight wyvern]

DOOF DOOF DOOF DOOF

[rough adder]

OK so no more point tax for changing grenade i think?

[narrow widget]

W changes hold up

[umbral scaffold]

but when we get killable orks

[heavy rover]

TWINNED BLAST AND GRENADIER HAVE BEEN COMBINED

[small mason]

yeah its just so you can pick whatever blitz/ult you want. if they didnt change shout or nades i dont see the builds changing at all tbh

[rough adder]

YESSSS MY BOY LIVES

[midnight wyvern]

the new bolter can single fire in full auto

goated

[harsh geyser]

well you just said something that doesnt make sense in a phrase.

Killable and ork

[winter sluice]

Ayyy new vet stuff

[harsh geyser]

Silly Nick, orks never dies

[winter sluice]

Vet mains rise up

Update looks cool

[ember nest]

I'm kinda annoyed that the falchion needs to be poewered up in what appears to be the same way as the powersword

but

that rework...I can't wait...

[calm shard]

ain't no fucking way the new power sword is actually the only new vet weapon

[ember nest]

it's habbening....

[calm shard]

good fucking lord

[ember nest]

this is me rn

[calm shard]

it's like pulling teeth to get shit for this class

[untold mulch]

I am not surprised

[umbral scaffold]

real i should be made into a servo skull

[grand perch]

slightly better quality

[ember nest]

"Man I sure wish I had a new gun."

"SWORD."

[untold mulch]

I sure love getting all melee weapons on the class I picked BECAUSE I WANTED TO SHOOT SHIT WITH

[meager echo]

Hey that so good

[untold mulch]

[winter sluice]

Yeah I do wish we had a new heavy weapon but I ain't complaining

[meager echo]

[tame lodge]

Alright another 2k hours

[narrow widget]

no.... is that longshit in the upper left corner......

[pseudo fiber]

Then you better pick psyker buddy

[meager echo]

Vet best class now ?

[untold mulch]

Kark that

[umbral scaffold]

always was

[grand perch]

i think it exhilirating takedown

[ember nest]

wait hold on

[harsh geyser]

At least you’ll be useful. Glory for the emperor

[ember nest]

is...is it true...

[barren cave]

has update dropped yet

[meager echo]

Cant wait for tmr update

[narrow widget]

lowk wait I don't see any changes at the bottom of the tree

[trim badger]

HOLY SHIT

[barren cave]

ah its tom

[mortal aspen]

This is fucking amazing

[trim badger]

AAAAAA

[narrow widget]

it's like exactly the same

[mortal aspen]

this is EXACTLY what I asked for

[narrow widget]

(this is good)

[mortal aspen]

holy fucking shit

[gusty girder]

VETERAN REWORK

[winter sluice]

Damn that's everything the people asked for

[ember nest]

WE MIGHT BE BACK

[gusty girder]

CADIA STANDS

[winter sluice]

Based darktide

[grand perch]

ofc, less keynode subnodes

[winter sluice]

Devs W

[narrow widget]

HELBORE IRON SIGHTS LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[ember nest]

WAIT

THE FALCHION

IT MIGHT NOT BE ASS???

[hollow ibex]

why is this row still here 😭

[grand perch]

HOLD UP

[heavy rover]

HELBORE SIGHTS WE ARE FUCKING BACK BABY

[grand perch]

WHERES IRON WILL

WHERE IS IT

[gusty girder]

FOR CADIA

[heavy rover]

higher up the tree

[grand perch]

i hope theyre buffed / conglomerated nodes

[ember nest]

Yo

YO

[tall torrent]

This for power falchion?
GG it’s chalked, power sword better

[grand perch]

oh yeah theres iron will

[ember nest]

ITS LIKE RELIC BLADE

[mortal aspen]

One Motion 50% GIGA

[grand perch]

phew

[narrow widget]

to remind us of our origins (being taxed)

[hollow ibex]

if they're all +25 toughness i might be ok with it

[ember nest]

WE'RE BACK

IT'S NOT USING THE FUCKASS POWER MODE

[untold mulch]

Tax class

[midnight wyvern]

krak grenades buffed

[ember nest]

IT BUILDS HEAT

[heavy rover]

MMF NO LONGER DECAYS WHEN MOVING

[tall torrent]

It’s worse than power sword

[midnight wyvern]

[tall torrent]

Joever

[grand perch]

wheres it say that

[tall torrent]

Still only 1 good melee for fighting

[heavy rover]

I'm watching Mister E's stream

[gusty girder]

HOLY SHIT. GUTS SWORD

[winter sluice]

So many good things happening tomorrow
Steel ball run
Darktide update. It's all coming together

[tall torrent]

Cranial + wrath 24/7

[ember nest]

it has the powersword stab lol

[untold mulch]

Huh, I may check it out then if I reinstall

[narrow widget]

path I've been saying this
doesn't matter if it's worse than ps6 as long as it feels better to use

[honest quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFcYy3e-AH0

[winter sluice]

Mister e W

[honest quiver]

i'll post a summary for veteran stuff that he talks about here

[tall torrent]

We’ll see
I’m not expecting it to be good

[faint beacon]

BRO WHAT

I’m at work and I get flashbanged by path saying

Oh yeah 3 class tree reworks

[hybrid plover]

Okay

You know what

Touche Fatshark

[hot crag]

Veteran talent tree rework? WE ARE SO BACC!

[tall torrent]

This is mostly irrelevant

The significantly more important change is that trench fighter is now middle tree

And doesn’t take 5 point spec to get to

[grand perch]

man feeld bad guys like mr e already have all the info, small channels like me cant even get a foot in with the news

[ember nest]

man, all these reworks actually look....good

[narrow widget]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[heavy rover]

no, the most important part is that helbore has some proper sights

[midnight wyvern]

oh vet got stam recov delay thing cooked into the class

[grand perch]

no no mmf rework is the most important

[hybrid plover]

Probably waited so long to get the info out because they wanted to make sure this update was ready to go since this is genuinely major

[midnight wyvern]

one of the .25s nodes

[tall torrent]

They messed up the power falchion blessings but the tree rework is nice ig

[midnight wyvern]

WS having like half of its nodes removed is funny

[tame lodge]

Haha

[tall torrent]

Well deserved

[tame lodge]

Called it

[mortal zinc]

Me looking at my 30 odd builds I’ll have to redo: sigh lovely

[tall torrent]

Biggest improvement in tree is zealot tbh

[meager echo]

This update is so good.

[tame lodge]

I called that Falchion blessings would be

💀

[midnight wyvern]

smite buff

big

[tame lodge]

But Decapitator is crazy

[ember nest]

I'm just gonna use cranial grounding fr

[hybrid plover]

It was also the worst tree so it makes sense

[grand perch]

i think Determined is gone? is suppression immunity baked into the class now

[woven field]

Yes

[midnight wyvern]

[mortal aspen]

Vet OP now

[candid pasture]

my joy is immeasurable and my day is made

[mortal aspen]

#nerfvet

[midnight wyvern]

im keen to see what kind of things the new bolter does

the DOOF DOOF DOOF feels nice in my ears

[hybrid plover]

Holy shit the #nerfvet meme is real

[ornate glen]

Boom. It does boom. Everything I should know.

[faint beacon]

RAGGHGGGGHHHG

[midnight wyvern]

martyrdom psyker is real

biggest change

[pseudo fiber]

It's funny how just as the community is getting really upset at a class being bad they rework them

[faint beacon]

youll need to show me

The uh

New change isolated path

[tall torrent]

New vet tree

Iron will is top half
CaB is mandatory path to get to aura
Survivalist direct path is grenadier
Bring it down is same row (left) as iron will
Tac awareness spot unchanged, leads into comp urge / trench fighter

[faint beacon]

For vet

[tall torrent]

MF I just pinged u

[candid pasture]

tbh having a power weapon with relic blades activation thing will make other ranged focused more on non carapace enemies more viable

[mortal aspen]

Vet looks really interesting now

so much good stuff

triple barrel shotgun vet xdd

[hybrid plover]

Probably cuz they already knew the trees have been outdated for a while

[tall torrent]

I think the talent below iron will is field improv?

[ornate glen]

I'm more curious about what have been removed from "Marksman's Focus" keystone.

[grand perch]

90% sure it is

[heavy rover]

oh dueling sword got nerfed

[candid pasture]

think they just condensed the nodes

[tame lodge]

Welp
See paths guide in 4 years now

[tall torrent]

Yea skipping it 💀

[grand perch]

i dont recognize this one at all

[heavy rover]

rip path

[atomic void]

bath

[tall torrent]

I am not bothered to try to read into a 240p small talent icon

[atomic void]

is this good enough

[sick cedar]

We're so back vet bros.

[faint beacon]

Bear with me I’m working

[atomic void]

i know you said before that if the vet rework isnt like 10000 pages long then they missed the makr

[tall torrent]

Need to see the actual talent changes but I don’t think it’s good enough still

[atomic void]

damn

[tall torrent]

Fully loaded is still mandatory path for left for some reason

Literally just swap it with superiority complex

[hollow ibex]

Second vet rework when

[heavy rover]

we never left

[sick cedar]

I know

[tall torrent]

I wonder if the helbore iron sight change will also apply to the skins it has

It better does

[sick cedar]

There are new iron sights for my beloved???

[tall torrent]

Yes

[lean light]

What

[sick cedar]

Holy shit

[candid pasture]

if they added the infantry las sight to it would be a nice change

[ornate glen]

Wait, they changed helbore sights?

[sick cedar]

WE'RE SO BACK

[ember nest]

yes

and so much tax is gone

[sick cedar]

YES

I am so happy.

I love the helbore

[tall torrent]

Still has 10 grey nodes but forced take is not as bad as before

Hopefully the bad grey nodes are gone

[ember nest]

we can only pray

[faint beacon]

This is absolutely passable imo

[north frost]

best news in the world

[untold mulch]

Tax evasion update

[sick cedar]

Helbros rise up

It's our time

[ember nest]

I just wish they put out flat patchnotes

[ornate glen]

Helbros also never been down.

[mortal aspen]

one node gives 15% melee damage xdd

[tall torrent]

It’s the bare minimum but it’s not fully done right

[woven field]

We’ve pruned the tax nodes

[faint beacon]

Some psyker talents apparently were changed

[woven field]

They’re all decent value now

[faint beacon]

Wondering if the same happened with Vet

[elder vessel]

How's Infiltrate now?

[woven field]

And make sense to where they are for left/mid/right

[elder vessel]

I wanna know

[ember nest]

I wish it was dead

[tall torrent]

Yea psyker got buffed (lol)

[elder vessel]

can you show me

[tall torrent]

New tree structure

[elder vessel]

I wanna know about the infiltrate changes

[ember nest]

no

go find it

[tall torrent]

Infil had 1 subnode removed

Not sure which

I think low profile?

[elder vessel]

Im still alive goober

[ember nest]

didn't ask

[low oar]

I think infiltrate has two removed? I remember having way too many

[grand perch]

surprise attack is gone

[tall torrent]

Thank the emperor I decided to hold out on doing enemy sections until this update lol

[ember nest]

kraks buffed to have extra charge

[grand perch]

the 30% damage for 5s on infiltrate use

probably part of infil itself now

[low oar]

Oh infiltrated had 4, and now it lost one

[tame lodge]

Unchained and Pyromancer are back

Can you believe it

[low oar]

https://tenor.com/view/i-can-see-i-can-fight-king-arthur-fairly-oddparents-season-2-gif-14954467788807029179

[tropic halo]

this sounds peak

[tall torrent]

What the fuck this is still ass

[north frost]

mother of god

[rough adder]

Wait enemy health buff? The scale down I'm looking for is finally coming?

[honest quiver]

ranged
helbore lasgun marks have iron sights, no other changes
vigilant autogun buffed - recoil reduced, base damage increased

melee
power falchion, exclusive to veteran. similar to relic blade in terms of functionality, blessings, special, etc. two marks
chain weapons buffed. damage not really affected, combo chains are faster, shred special works faster to prevent players from being stuck in enemies. unarmored enemies will take much more damage from the shred special.

talents
"partial" rework, more will be added in time, mister e speculates it could be in the winter update
many "extra" talents have been integrated into base talents
krak grenades have been buffed - players now have 3 grenades, magnetism is increased, underhand throwing
melee skills such as serrated blade and trench fighter drill are much more accessible
catch a breath is now a base talent
all three auras are much easier to access, no changes otherwise
grenade talents are right next to each other now
grenade tinkerer - krak grenades are buffed to provide +75% damage
twin blast has been combined into the grenadier talent - "You can carry 1 extra Grenade(s). 20% chance to throw an additional Grenade (this still only consumes a single Grenade)

voice of command unchanged
executioner's stance buffed - when active, you replenish 10% of your toughness every second.
"The Bigger they Are" modifier updated to highlight all ogryn, captains and monstrosities, and increases the duration of stance to 8 seconds.
infiltrate updated - "Replenish all Toughness and enter Stealth for 8s, gaining 25% Movement Speed. Leaving Stealth Suppresses nearby Enemies. While in Stealth, and for 5s afterwards, you have +30% Damage. Attacking makes you leave stealth. Base Cooldown: 45s

skirmisher updated - +6.25% to all base damage for 10s after sprinting or sliding, stacks 4 times
new talent - exploit weakness - melee crit hits increase damage by 20% for 6s

and more ...

i can't type any more but check mister e's channel

this information was obtained from the stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFcYy3e-AH0

[sly orchid]

https://youtu.be/4yhtu0ur_mA?si=EM18fkEc24kKtOwB

here is an actualy good vid on the update

[pseudo fiber]

Power Falchion showcase is at 44 seconds btw

[faint beacon]

@grand perch WERE SO FUCKING BACK

[tall torrent]

Oh these actually good

[grand perch]

vigis get buffed and its only recoil and boss damage?....okay

[tall torrent]

I guess veteran is back?

[faint beacon]

AGRI IX BROS WERE BACK

[grand perch]

why no ammo reserve buff. why still shit maniac damage

[turbid ibex]

[Pulsating beat continues]

[low oar]

all 3 auras are easier to access
Time for everyone to use the one node still anyway

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher, exploit weakness and new combined twinned blast sound peak

[pseudo fiber]

Optimism win

[tall torrent]

Still not fully done right

[thin stone]

Lol

[grand perch]

thats not enough

[tall torrent]

Fully loaded needs to not be a mandatory path

[faint beacon]

The damage might help boost the current BNB combo to help it out

We simply need to wait and see

[grand perch]

maybe with new MMF

[faint beacon]

Wait what…

[grand perch]

stacks dont go away

[tall torrent]

What’s new MMF

[low oar]

Ex stance and plasma is still gonna be fun

[ember nest]

it also appears to no longer be ranged kills only

[pseudo fiber]

Takes about 6 powered hits to kill a crusher but their health got tripled I think

[thin stone]

Only tomorrow we get to know

[grand perch]

it hasnt been for a long time

[faint beacon]

Elaborate further

[tall torrent]

It’s not been required ranged kills in a long time

[faint beacon]

You have me very very curious

[grand perch]

they dont decay by moving i mean

more i dont know

[ember nest]

has it? well darn, I must have been skill issuing then

[faint beacon]

Oh MMF bros

[tall torrent]

6k health
6 hits to kill on power sword VI?

[faint beacon]

We might be back

[tall torrent]

Shouldn’t be?

Actually

Uh

[pseudo fiber]

that's the falchion

[tall torrent]

They buffed enemy health in heresy+ right?

[honest quiver]

oh wow they gave vet lock and load from the arbites tree

fantastic

[pseudo fiber]

I think so

also take my catch a breath

[north frost]

some enemies

[honest quiver]

triple barrel double shotgun

[faint beacon]

Skirmisher

Now including sliding

I might pick that up more

[honest quiver]

sweet

[tall torrent]

Uh

Small problem?

Havoc enemy health bonus apply on top of this health buff?

[grand perch]

so exec gets 10% toughness regen per second. thats still so much worse than voc

[ember nest]

oh did they remove the crouch/stay still thing

[faint beacon]

Vet Disrupt Destiny basically

[visual prism]

🙂

[grand perch]

im sad they didnt include the stagger thing path recommended

[faint beacon]

Yeah fuck it

I’ll take it

[tall torrent]

As in
9000 health crusher?

[honest quiver]

you keep up your toughness regen for every enemy you kill

[visual prism]

😗

[honest quiver]

so get better at killing enemies!!

[ornate glen]

I don't think you're going with ex to be tough.

[grand perch]

thats not what it says

you get regen while its active

[ember nest]

so it's the exact same

[grand perch]

you dont get golden toughness

[tall torrent]

I also want to know why fully loaded is still a mandatory path for left

[faint beacon]

Slightly weaker Ogryn braced talent

[low oar]

The moving decay seems gone

[heavy rover]

it doesn't punish you for moving

[faint beacon]

Honestly

It’s passable

[heavy rover]

I can work with it

[low oar]

Timer decay seems fine tbh

[faint beacon]

But obviously VOC will still have a stranglehold

[ember nest]

oh mb

[heavy rover]

especially since it's next to shock troop now

[unreal forge]

siiiiiiick

[low oar]

Can I get stacks for weakspot hits?

[unreal forge]

2 in 1

[tall torrent]

Still ass
Owari da

[unreal forge]

I love this new 2-in-1 talent design

[honest quiver]

yeah

[unreal forge]

way to make 2 mid abilities into 1 strong one

[honest quiver]

oh it's you

[faint beacon]

Oh they combined Twinned with it?

[visual prism]

because

[faint beacon]

Neat

[honest quiver]

#veteran-class message

[grand perch]

neat, but you could still throw 5+ grenades and not get a single twinned blast

[tall torrent]

It’s so counterintuitive

[faint beacon]

The dried husks that were Zealot and Vet having a water bucket thrown on them

[tall torrent]

Should be swapped with superiority complex

[hot crag]

Hey where can I see the updated talent tree?

[unreal forge]

https://youtu.be/-LZkMIwpDYc?si=2FrCvzWDt-75fiKJ

[grand perch]

you should have a stacking chance for twinned blast for a guaranteed double throw at some point

[narrow widget]

have they shortened the fuse timer on kraks

[unreal forge]

it's weird asf that the Veteran tree still has a bazillion tax nodes though?

[hot crag]

Oh

[unreal forge]

like why are these still so many operative modifiers?

[honest quiver]

all of this information is coming from videos, specifically this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFcYy3e-AH0 and epic cole's

[mortal aspen]

Mister E said it felt like they did

[grand perch]

theres 2 mandatory ones, thats not a lot

[narrow widget]

just go down left then

[heavy rover]

gameslantern update when

[faint beacon]

@grand perch it just clicked I can run smokes

[hot crag]

Thanks

[faint beacon]

Without getting taxed to hell and back

Holy shit

[low oar]

The new tree seems cleaned up

[narrow widget]

born leader is great

[sly orchid]

epic cole directly says that kraks have a shorter fuse so you can kill big enemies quicker

[faint beacon]

EStance Smokes without being taxed?

Holy shit

[elder vessel]

I'm glad they added a new power sword with heat rather than changing the old ones, now we can have both

[narrow widget]

inb4 path dooming

[faint beacon]

He says it’s alright

[tall torrent]

How am I dooming lol I’m saying it’s not much more than the bare minimum

[faint beacon]

For what it seems to be

[tall torrent]

As in it’s enough for what it is but it still has way to go

[faint beacon]

Besides we still don’t know what possibly was heavily changed or not

[narrow widget]

I hope they buffed power sword uncharged attacks

[tall torrent]

Strongly doubt that

[faint beacon]

All I saw was vigils got buffed

[unreal forge]

helbore has decent sights now

[faint beacon]

Hopium at max

[atomic void]

gale

do u rike

[grand perch]

wow, enemy plasma gunner does not overheat

[atomic void]

or do u not rike

[pseudo fiber]

havoc 40 crushers have 10k health

[tall torrent]

New power falchion takes 6 hits to kill 6k carapace
That’s 1-1.2k per hit

It’s alr

[faint beacon]

Oh it’s peak

[tall torrent]

Nothing crazy tho

[grand perch]

truly the dark forces are the pathway to skills some consider unnatural, like plasma not overheating

[faint beacon]

Taxe value tanking

Lmao

[unreal forge]

start doomerposting about how it's powercreep guys

[atomic void]

wait did they really just buff enemy health across the board

[unreal forge]

I know you want to

[faint beacon]

I mean it was bound to happen lmao

[pseudo fiber]

lowered spawns tho

[atomic void]

ig turning up the health values is easier than giving them entire new movesets

[unreal forge]

why lowered spawns wtf

[pseudo fiber]

toned down that density a touch

just to prevent like 20 crusher packs

[grand perch]

chain weapon specials do a lot more damage, especially to armor

[atomic void]

game was running like piss and audio engine was breaking

[faint beacon]

Okay reasonable but still

[narrow widget]

bro has not played havoc fr

[faint beacon]

I was about to say them tossing the massive chaffe hordes is depressing

[atomic void]

curious how much the spawns are lowered by cause i wanted less armor and not less grunts

[wind grotto]

a bunch of these changes look good but until I play and don't see like 15 crushers running at me at once with now so much health that only the meta weapons are viable I don't trust the enemy health changes are going to be good

[tame lodge]

Auric is also

[unreal forge]

I have and I thought the insane spawns were the best part

[tame lodge]

Horde timer

[pseudo fiber]

Tac awarness is finally normalised!

[unreal forge]

it's the only horde shooter with like actually cool massive hordes

[narrow widget]

my audio was bugging out every single mission

[pseudo fiber]

it only tok a year

[grand perch]

@faint beacon vamp says maniac damage is buffed on vigi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZkMIwpDYc

[ornate glen]

Yeah. Killing a whole army was fun.

[unreal forge]

worked on my machine

[tall torrent]

I don’t believe that

They said they reduced bulwark spawns and they still spawn in x12

[pseudo fiber]

Allegedly

Maybe there's one less now

that counts

[tall torrent]

Is that really relevant

[grand perch]

smokes come out faster, meaning faster throw

[faint beacon]

You already know I’m testing the Vigils tomorrow

[wind grotto]

yeah I do not believe they'll actually lower spawns until peopel scream at them that this is too much for 3 months

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[grand perch]

oh less crushers spawns but they have more hp

[tall torrent]

Should have been on elite kill too tbh

[faint beacon]

Healthy change I suppose

[wind grotto]

less doesn't mean jack shit until I see the actual numbers

[hybrid plover]

Wait

[faint beacon]

Crushers are actual

Tank units

[wind grotto]

because less could mean like 10 instead of 12

[hybrid plover]

Is Exploit Weakness actually a reasonable choice now???

[faint beacon]

Instead of enemy that insta downs

[tall torrent]

Top tier choice

[hybrid plover]

#nerfvet is real fellas

[wind grotto]

big fucking doubt with the cd changes

[steady crest]

Did plasma got changed in this patch? or was it delayed?

[pseudo fiber]

This is the same right?

[wind grotto]

didn't see any plasma stuff, ds took a hit though

[untold mulch]

The ranged part is still the same, or as underwhelming (unless single shot weapon)

[desert viper]

nothing at first sight

[umbral scaffold]

holy peak, this is one of the changes?

[turbid ibex]

they made the reload speed modifier base

[tame lodge]

MMF is on a timer now

[tall torrent]

Melee crit grants +20% damage for 6s
So basically +20% damage for playing the melee branch

[steady crest]

swapping its special to parry when most games I play I have 150ms wasnt something I was happy about RIP

[tame lodge]

[pseudo fiber]

oh yes

vet twitch drops

so watch someone idc

[tall torrent]

Reload speed baked in

[bleak tendon]

its special is a parry now??

thats awesome

[faint beacon]

Wait that’s a nerf

[candid pasture]

cosmetic kinda looks like a necromunda ganger tbh

[faint beacon]

It was 5 now it’s 4

[candid pasture]

i like it

[wind grotto]

the parry is an objective win for it but the damage and some stuff looks worse which lmao on the changes to crusher guess every zealot is going to just run around with a knife again

[tame lodge]

MMF is on a timer

[tall torrent]

It’s overall a buff

[mortal aspen]

really good change

[tall torrent]

1.5s stacking interval

Instead of 2s

[mortal aspen]

ability spam is terrible

[faint beacon]

Oh?

[bleak tendon]

ill use a parry way more than that stagger attack that never really mattered to me

[faint beacon]

More uptime

[ornate glen]

What's about dueling sword? It now has parry as special action?

[tall torrent]

And u now reach max stacks in 6s

[errant prawn]

WERE EATING SO WELL TODAY FELLAS OUR TIME HAS COME

[tall torrent]

Instead of the old 8s

[steady crest]

You forgot about RELIC gaming

[tall torrent]

And at 2 stack spam it’s more damage

[steady crest]

yep

[wind grotto]

it's a good change if fatshart gets their head out of their asses and actually changes the game to not be 80 dudes with guns instantly killing you while you slowly crawl forward

[ember nest]

I wonder what the usecase for the new high explosive bolter will be

[turbid ibex]

the bonus from each stack is higher now

[errant prawn]

is there a site where we can view the changes to the talent tree?

[woven field]

Control

[turbid ibex]

wasnt it 10s

[grand perch]

new longshit

not that terrible anymore

[woven field]

One hit with enough collat will open bulwarks

[tall torrent]

Oh it’s actually good now

[mortal aspen]

maybe they did
there are changes to enemy health and spawns, we just don't know the details

[tall torrent]

+10%Rdmg is already good

[untold mulch]

So flat damage boost with an extra for range?

Nice

[tame lodge]

Oh

[pseudo fiber]

Longshit value lmfaooo

[grand perch]

ramps up higher and permanent 10% bonus seems okay yeah

[wind grotto]

yeah I saw gunners now have so much health that a bunch of guns I didn't see get buffs probably don't one hit on headshot anymore which lmao

[tame lodge]

Baked in close damage

Aight

[tall torrent]

Damn I can’t call people lobotomized now for taking longshot

Owari da

[tame lodge]

Same

[solar valve]

Is longshot good now

Seems to be decent

[hybrid plover]

yes

[grand perch]

i did the same for havoc recruits 😄

[tame lodge]

Gotta rewrite a lot of notes

[tall torrent]

Unfortunately yes

[tame lodge]

A lot

[untold mulch]

10% may give you a consistent breakpoint

[tame lodge]

Of notes

[wind grotto]

yeah it's definitely worth taking now

[harsh geyser]

helbore lasgun builds rejoice

[pseudo fiber]

So falchion moveset wise

looks interesting

[wind grotto]

especially since gunner health went up

[tall torrent]

Not may, it straight up just will

[solar valve]

Also the power falchion looks juicy

[tall torrent]

10%Rdmg is a lot

[pseudo fiber]

you seem to be able to block cancel the first one

[untold mulch]

True that

been a while since I booted the game

[solar valve]

I wonder if it has better dodges compared to the psword?

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher + exploit weakness is +45% damage for playing the game

@faint beacon

[errant prawn]

where are you all viewing these new talent trees?

[tame lodge]

Side note
They turned Duelist talent into +finesse

[grand perch]

covering fire still ass

[tame lodge]

We lost a real one today

[solar valve]

I mean

Thats not ass

[tall torrent]

If this doesn’t include self it’s still meh

[harsh geyser]

🙏 praying for knive zealots builds downfall

[solar valve]

Its not amazing

Not ass

[harsh geyser]

with the rework

[solar valve]

They die in h40 all the time

Already

Lol

[untold mulch]

I think is pretty nice to support a melee ally

[mortal aspen]

they buffed stealth and gave like 10 backstab perks

[hybrid plover]

honestly i'm praying more for arbitrator downfall

[harsh geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[untold mulch]

Wait does covering fire affect yourself?

[harsh geyser]

ngl same, it feels..like a swiff army knife but every knife is the right situation

which is stinky

[ember nest]

LONER DEAD! 🗣️

[hybrid plover]

unfortunately no

[candid pasture]

i suppose if you go executioners, that perk that gives coherancy toughness and WS it could get value with a stub revolver since it would be constant melee replen if your smart with it

[untold mulch]

Damn, it would have been cool as a CQB run and gun

[grand perch]

oh thats what that new node is

[harsh geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-crying-gif-15896901980625544793

[grand perch]

it doesnt work on yourself

[harsh geyser]

oh wait..

[gilded wraith]

Still only specialist kills for cooldown?

[harsh geyser]

ranged backstab

hold on

[grand perch]

or it didnt until now, we dont know if they changed covering fire

[hybrid plover]

Well hey at least every other class won't be so heavily powercreeped compared to ogryn and arby now

[mortal aspen]

Arbites worst career now xdd

[tall torrent]

Currently no
After update maybe

[ember nest]

I hope it did

[grand perch]

just shooting in back

[solar valve]

They combined twinned blast and the plus nade perk? LOL

[hybrid plover]

These changes are actually more significant than I expected tbh

[solar valve]

Free real estate

[grand perch]

think autogun blessing that gives dmaage vs backside

[errant prawn]

THEY BUFFED REVIVE SPEED LETS FUCKING GO

[untold mulch]

If the new one self-aplies it would be very nice to just go running and gunning at melee

[harsh geyser]

I mean arbites are already good as a front tank, not as good as the ogryn but better than the zealot imo

[grand perch]

i doubt it does. allies usually doesnt mean yourself

[harsh geyser]

its that weird middle ground of melee/ranged close range gameplay

[candid pasture]

no but execusioners grants constant 10%, 1% of that would go to teammates with that coherency toughness thing, plus cover fire and it could be a skirmish build to keep peoples tougheness up from a skirmish kinda build

[untold mulch]

Yeah, I will not hold my breath for it

[woven field]

We wanted to keep arbites as tanky frontliner with zealot as Killy frontliner

[ember nest]

recon lasgun simulator

[tame lodge]

MMF is on a timer

[grand perch]

still worse than golden toughness VoC

[untold mulch]

Recon Lasgun my beloved

[tame lodge]

Aka keep Arby's mid

Got it

[harsh geyser]

valid

[candid pasture]

true but could still be fun

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

Still requires kills to stack so meh

[mortal aspen]

I'll maybe take this with DB if I can spare a point

[untold mulch]

The fact that still no hellgun tho

[mortal aspen]

giga team utility

[ember nest]

actual tredgedy imo

[tame lodge]

I'm more bummed about the timer tbh

[faint beacon]

I gotta redo all my builds

UGHH

it’ll be worth it though

[unreal forge]

fuck my teammates bruh they don't need this

[tame lodge]

Same

[hybrid plover]

My take away from this

[tall torrent]

I used 4 before update maybe I’ll be looking at 5 after

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-travis-scott-apology-travis-astroworld-gif-23723017

[hybrid plover]

Is that my knife double barrel smoke setup won't have the IRS on my ass anymore

[untold mulch]

Indeed

I am 99% expecting that if they add it, it would be paid ngl,

[scarlet thistle]

Veteran finally gets a new weapon that isn't another class hand-me-down since beta 3 years ago
Melee
At least there's a skill tree rework because it was sorely needed.

[ember nest]

does covering fire chain off of other vets back to you if they have the share talent k

[low oar]

I have like 30 across all 3 classes 🙂

[midnight wyvern]

the enemy buffs are cool

[tame lodge]

Overall

[grand perch]

theres the 3 shot DB

[midnight wyvern]

6500hp crushers on damnation

[candid pasture]

wait does braced shot shoot all rounds of a double baarrelled there for lock and loaded would add 50% to that shot

[midnight wyvern]

[tame lodge]

Every class took a hit

But also took a lot of new things

[untold mulch]

Yeah, personally idc about the new melee, like I played Vet because shooty dude

[grand perch]

i suppose it...doesnt?

[sharp hamlet]

It’s joever thammer-bros

[unreal forge]

is golden toughness still a thing

[hybrid plover]

if they nerf the quantity of them, then this is a very good change

[tall torrent]

This is pretty meme for most weapons

[untold mulch]

is shocktrooper still there?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[tame lodge]

Arby's DB still uses 2 ammo

[scarlet thistle]

Effectively a power sword+, whoopie.

[midnight wyvern]

yee, sounds like they did

[north frost]

yes, shout is unchanged; but apparently the plasma guy shoots through it

[split root]

I pray that the scab plasma gunners aren't as annoying as the scab gunners tbh. I hate facing multiple gunners in heresy and higher, they hurt so much

[candid pasture]

ahh i see

[harsh geyser]

I'm just hoping with vet rework I wont be forced to run voice of command :(

[grand perch]

Db, revolver and bolter is what id say

[hybrid plover]

they're specialists

[unreal forge]

what's the crusher's HP rn?

[split root]

I know that, but they are so annoying!

[hybrid plover]

so they won't be nearly as numerous as gunners

[harsh geyser]

commissar vet was fun for the first 4 months

[split root]

Okay thank fuck

[harsh geyser]

but now its getting redicilous

[tame lodge]

Scab plasma is basically shotgunner but they say fuck your toughness

[low oar]

T hammer can do 40k damage in a single hit if you built it right
T hammer probably got an indirect buff with this

[tall torrent]

3600 damnation/auric
5400 havoc max

After update
6500 auric
9750 havoc max

[untold mulch]

I would need to look at the moveset, but my pessimist side just says "they did the bare minimum from the Zealot one"

[unreal forge]

ok

[tame lodge]

Get close with your melee and they'll use their melee

[sharp hamlet]

Fair enough, gonna have to check my thammer builds lol.

[split root]

Well at least they won't be as numerous as the gunners, which is a good thing

[tame lodge]

Which means we got new shit talkers

[split root]

Yep

[grand perch]

mmf doesnt decay by moving but on a timer @faint beacon
subnodes virtually unchanged, just camoflage gone

[tame lodge]

Not even a real soldier 🗣️

[harsh geyser]

the 12 gunner around the corner ready to blast you into smitherine

[grand perch]

why do they want to keep MMF mains suffering

[tame lodge]

It's on a timer

[scarlet thistle]

It's an all class weapon, not unique, and it's not like the zealot needed new weapons because they've already had three melee weapons put in.

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s good enough still

[tame lodge]

It's on a timer

[split root]

I died because of that so many times lmao

[tall torrent]

Because ur still kill dependent on it

[scarlet thistle]

And zealot is all about melee.

[grand perch]

yeah, timer is fkn stupid still

[tall torrent]

Timer is less of a problem

Just the fact that it’s kill dependent is bad

[tame lodge]

Why the fuck is on a timer

[ember nest]

powerrelicblade

[hollow ibex]

Jfc lol

Rip all crusher breakpoints

[native ocean]

another skirmisher buff... surely it will be good now? (I don't think so)

[harsh geyser]

yknow I like this better than being forced to sit down in one spot

[heavy rover]

holy crusher health

[split root]

I'm gonna check the new boltgun and bolt pistol marks when they come out, and see which one hits harder

[tame lodge]

Yeah
But they also got flanking and backstab bonuses

Hmmm

[tall torrent]

Dw vet gets +45% damage for playing the game from skirmisher + exploit weakness

[tame lodge]

Wonder if they

[hollow ibex]

Actually good now?

[split root]

Because I run the boltgun on my vet

[solar valve]

Wait

[scarlet thistle]

Well you'd think the melee class would be all about melee, and they have both the new content and skills to match, even the flamer and their grenades mostly just let them go hogwild on people after applying something to them.

[native ocean]

actually yeah hold on?

[solar valve]

Vet has unlimited stam with tunnel vision

Lol

[native ocean]

do we get a skirmish stack every time we slide?

[solar valve]

10% stam on weakspot kill

[ember nest]

I still think they need to give us back exe stance startup reload but it's whtv

[grand perch]

oh focu starget only stacks up to 4 now, but gives more damage.