veteran-class

[pseudo fiber]

Have you got unarmoured on it?

[old cobalt]

No, I didn't bother.

Oh-- no I do thats right

[pseudo fiber]

You need it to hit breakpoints on vet

[old cobalt]

I need to throw on Flak

because those guys' heads count as flak armored

I had Unarmored/Cara

the only downside is if I take cara off CA I will have ZERO answers for Cara enemies

but I can probably just swap shredder for krak and be fine

[meager echo]

isn't CA stagger crusher tho

[old cobalt]

eh, ONE of them if you heavy, yeah but if I drop Cara it'll also take a whole ass extra heavy to kill them

[meager echo]

I'm pretty sure you only get like 12-20 crushers on havoc

maybe 4 or 8 in auric

i have mixed feeling about carapace

[old cobalt]

i mean a shredder nade basically like

gently caresses a crusher

does fuck nor all

[meager echo]

but the way they spawn together kinda make carapace blessing needed tho.

[old cobalt]

yeahhh they usually show up in packs of like 2-4

sometimes more

which is why Im thinking about just swapping cara perk for flak

and swapping shredder for krak

especially since Shredders admittedly dont exactly do a TON of damage

[meager echo]

I think shredder is safer tho. You create space by knock them down, even bulwak

sometimes krak aoe is so small

you only get 1 of them

happen to me prequently

[old cobalt]

I mean thats why I throw multiple, it's not like I don't have tons of grenade regen

one every 60s and 5% chance ever special kill in coherency

[sudden cedar]

@meager echo What do you mean you only get like 12-20 crushers on havoc?

[meager echo]

yeah

i check power DI

[sudden cedar]

In total, during the entire mission?

[meager echo]

let me re- check real quick

[sudden cedar]

Like, how am i supposed to understand this

[old cobalt]

WAIT WHAT THE FUCK

KRAKS ARE MAGNETIC?

[sudden cedar]

Yes

[old cobalt]

I knew they stick to targets they actually like HIT

[sudden cedar]

It should say it in the description

[old cobalt]

i did not expect a "Nintey degree angle mid flight path" magnetic

thats fucking wild

[pseudo fiber]

To carapace

They stick to flak

[old cobalt]

I tried tossing one in between the gunner/mauler to hit the gunner in the back

and it just HARD LEFT hooked mid flight path onto the mauler

[turbid ibex]

Ye they do that

[old cobalt]

every single time

[turbid ibex]

Its pretty funny

[old cobalt]

okay its actually really nice to know i dont need to be accurate with these

i can just chuck them in the GENERAL direction of anything with cara

or flak

and itll stick

[pseudo fiber]

They'll only hardline to Carapace but they're sticky on flak if you throw it at them

[tame lodge]

They also go through floors

[old cobalt]

they seem to hardline to flak as well

oh, no its just cara, it hardlines to maulers because they have cara helms

and flak body armor

[tame lodge]

Which means they also home in Scab Ragers

[old cobalt]

LMAO

yeah

okay ill keep krak on

[willow prairie]

tfw you do more melee damage than ogryn in havoc

[old cobalt]

and swap cara perk for flak perk on CA

LMAO

okay so

I can throw this thing, NAIL a rager in the head

do 2 damage

[meager echo]

this is a havoc game

[old cobalt]

and itll STILl fly off to a mauler??

[meager echo]

only 10 crushers

2 more were kill by blitz

this game as well

but maulers is also carapace so i think carapace blessing is still very valuable.

[tall torrent]

Krak has a homing mechanic towards carapace

[meager echo]

there are not many crusher as I think it would be, but they will always spawn together with bulwark and maulers so I guess if you don't have anti - carapace blessing you kinda screwed.

I could be wrong tho, this game is so random sometimes, so I don't know for sure.

[tall torrent]

Just take a good carapace dps melee

[old cobalt]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THE RECON LASGUN BUILD

IS CRACK

I need MORE

[steep flower]

Ye thats good core

Field improv Yes
Leave no one behind No

[old cobalt]

i like it for very specific cases, none of which are me actually trying to do well in high level content

i aint bringing LnoB into a havoc 40 lmao

I like LnoB+3 Revive Speed Perks on relics for super low level content

so I can just NYOOOOOOM and speed res

v fun

[steep flower]

I personally go to many ppls dismay for onslaught for recon; with headhunter & shock trooper synergy, despite shooting crushers, you still maintain good ammo economy & help your team

[willow prairie]

ok why so toxic

my ass literally doing it

[old cobalt]

like yeah i could just shout and revive or i could sprint around like someone have a 3 year old meth and some narcan for their classmates

[steep flower]

Discount handmaiden from v2

[old cobalt]

I just did an entire mission start to finish and hit up a single ammo crate while taking maybe 2 melee hits, which is

far better than usual

[tall torrent]

“GenshinPro”
Zealot player
Out of blitz
Half ammo gone

Seems about right

[steep flower]

Oof; i suggest taking 1 HP curio on your vet

[willow prairie]

nah dont need it fr

[steep flower]

You die to bursters from full hp

[willow prairie]

also man was malding that i didnt run smoke

[novel saddle]

Just don't get burstered

[willow prairie]

true

[novel saddle]

Also toughness curios are better

[steep flower]

2 is enough for vet

Same for arby

[novel saddle]

2 toughness 1 stamina is optimal yeah

[willow prairie]

i mean im running weapon spec

[old cobalt]

I'm running 2 HP + 1 Stam Curio on vet

[willow prairie]

i like killing 1 random poxwalker for mega buffed melee

[steep flower]

I never run stamina curio

[tall torrent]

1 health curio is optimal on vet

Run a balance spread

Toughness
Health
Stamina

[novel saddle]

Nah 3 stamina

• stripped down

[old cobalt]

im goin to run 3 wound curios with ordo docket, xp and curio perks

and you cant fucking stop me

[steep flower]

Deadshot user moment

[tall torrent]

U should prob run dockets outside of havoc anyway

[old cobalt]

FOR WHAT

\

[willow prairie]

krak nade cc is real

[old cobalt]

WHAT THE FUCK AM I GONNA SPEND THEM ON

[steep flower]

Money duh

[tall torrent]

Making money is cool

[willow prairie]

what the fuck is a crusher pack

[steep flower]

Weapon rolls

[willow prairie]

🗣️

[tall torrent]

Godroll plasma isn’t gonna drop on its own Yk

[novel saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-got-a-point-hes-got-a-true-bloodsport-peacemaker-gif-14433111631119962020

[old cobalt]

smh

[steep flower]

Or ripper gun

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/hBIGia4Sbja.gif

[old cobalt]

I like to imagine seeing this in chat moments before hearing 4 crusher maces make contact with the level 12 veteran in heresy

[tall torrent]

Ripper is much easier to roll than plasma tbh

[willow prairie]

tldr krak op

our psyker is actually competent so smoke isnt needed

[tall torrent]

Ripper can use whatever stability or collateral, u just want 3 stats at optimal

Plasma wants a specific spread across all 5 stats

[old cobalt]

can we appreciate this voiceline rq

[tame lodge]

Nah

Heard too much

[steep flower]

I would say this;
plasma you only need 1
Ripper gun has like 3 builds & all are viable; unless you like swapping blessings & perks around; gl getting 3

[tame lodge]

Got annoyed

Will take ammo again/10

Plus Arby's don't need ammo

[tall torrent]

Ripper u just need 2

And one of those 2 (mk6 crit build) is not that flexible in terms of talent spec

[old cobalt]

please explain that to the 3 arbites fighting over shotgun ammo

that i get every 4 games

[tame lodge]

They should have a dog

Dog does everything

[steep flower]

Still an option in a build & its fun, even if just for auric

[tame lodge]

Lone Wolf is griefing

[steep flower]

Thats why 3

[narrow widget]

Arby's have a natural instinct to dump all their ammo on pox walkers

[old cobalt]

Lone Wolf Arbites are either dead weight or actually know what theyre doing

there is zero in between

[steep flower]

I don’t need a dogshit dog named dog (yes i named it dog)

[old cobalt]

I named mine Snuffles :D

[steep flower]

Zealot sickness

[novel saddle]

Tbh in most missions I end up having fired less shots than I have max ammo

[tame lodge]

Grief

[novel saddle]

I gotta do something with that shotgun man

[mighty willow]

Tbf, i only use it on boltgun for bossing, so...

[steep flower]

I wanted to name him ‚Private Turd’ but it was apparently too sensitive & woudn’t let me
Bunch’a snowflakes

[willow prairie]

WOKEtide

[tall torrent]

I named mine “Cat”

[willow prairie]

can't name my dog shit

[mighty willow]

Mine is named DregFetcher

[old cobalt]

Wait-- I need to try..

[tame lodge]

Dog-Denier running around with his dog Not-a-Dog

[mighty willow]

I got a name that didn't piss off fat fish on my arby

He'sReaching

[steep flower]

I just wanted to have a Private Turd for my Capt Latrine

Alas; dog is dog

[sudden cedar]

You could still replace the U with a number.

[mighty willow]

People went a lil too far with the police brutality puns though

[steep flower]

I will try that

[sudden cedar]

You know, K9 for Canine?

[fading yarrow]

Checks out Vet chat
It's Arbites chat

Many such cases

[willow prairie]

not realistic

[tall torrent]

Can’t use number in name

Unfortunately

[willow prairie]

in real life cop would've shoot the dog

[sudden cedar]

The random name generator for the cyber-mastiffs do have some of those name that include numbers.

[novel saddle]

Poxhounds

[tall torrent]

U gotta type the Roman numeral or smth

[mighty willow]

Become unrulable

[willow prairie]

you can give dog number iirc

[old cobalt]

We love the Arbitrator "White girl" and her faithful companion "Peanutbutter"

[sudden cedar]

I think for the dogs that rule is lifted

[old cobalt]

you can give dogs numbers ya

Unit-XXX is a randomly generated name

[mighty willow]

Private-Tvrd

[old cobalt]

like Unit-343

[sudden cedar]

Because, again, see above. The random name generator uses those.

[old cobalt]

81-U3 is another random one

[steep flower]

Ok i gonna hop into darktide when i return home & give my dog a shitty name it deserves

[old cobalt]

I'm remaking my arbitrator so I can name my dog Y1-FF

and no one can stop me

[sudden cedar]

The poxbursters will.

[old cobalt]

can you rename your dog?

or do you have to make a new character?

[steep flower]

FURRY DETECTED; BURN THAT SHIT!!!

[mighty willow]

Yes. Just gotta redo your character's appearance with 50k ordo dockets

[old cobalt]

POG

where do you do that?

[mighty willow]

Surgeon near the cosmetic stores

[old cobalt]

thank

[steep flower]

You get a funny cutscene

Watch it

[mighty willow]

Personality scourge i think it's the name

[old cobalt]

ok

[steep flower]

Don’t skip it

[old cobalt]

waching it now

i dont think i want this guy touching my body

[steep flower]

You have no alternatives

Man up

[steep flower]

Said many modern day wifes/gfs

[south wolf]

It's worth it, trust

[ember nest]

most ppl don't use steam for ffxiv

which is insane considering that the steam playerbase rivals so many games out there alone

[meager echo]

Bro got air locked

[plain osprey]

You have no idea how much the prevalence of sexless marriages disparages me from even trying to date lmao

[void dragon]

*Me wanting to keep the felinid safe from the meltas so it can blossom into new assassin class but realize what is actually happening:

[jolly quail]

does anyone have a good volley fire + marksman focus build? gonna do the abilities penances and might as well use a solid build

kraks into executioners stance into marksman focus if possible

[hollow ibex]

MMF

good build

pick one

[jolly quail]

i wouldnt know i only play voice of command

im a returning player so dont really know whats considered good or bad

just need a decent build to do the penances

[faint beacon]

MMF can work it’s just you’re going all in on using EStance at that point and some sort of sniper esc weapon

[jolly quail]

maxing the helbore rn

so seems appropriate

its not for high diff play anyway just want something to make farming penances more enjoyable!

damn its 2500 kills

[faint beacon]

If you’re farming penances you can just crouch dodge everywhere

Cause it counts with melee kills

So get like a knife or Tac axe

[jolly quail]

wdym ?

[faint beacon]

Moving gets rid of stacks

You need 10 stacks to get penance kills

Melee is accounted for with 10 stacks

Crouching and dodging whilst crouching keeps it at 10

[jolly quail]

oh ok i see i think

[faint beacon]

Crab Vet strategy

Genuinely works for farming

[jolly quail]

yea u keep your stacks and move on to the next kill

ill keep that in mind

why is this specific penance such a ridiculous number of kills lol

even focus fire was only 500 and its much easier to consistently progress

gonna do the estance ones but might postpone that one for last

[covert fable]

There is a period where you dont lose any stacks right?

[hollow ibex]

like a few seconds

[covert fable]

A few seconds after weakspot kill

[covert fable]

Is it 6 seconds

[tame lodge]

3 to 6

[jolly quail]

yeah its 6 seconds after weakspot kill

[jolly quail]

3 after any hit

[covert fable]

Ah

[tame lodge]

3 if weakspot hit
6 if weakspot kills

[jolly quail]

so its not like u cant farm it at all with ranged i guess

made a build gonna see at which rate the penance progresses while i do the estance one

[toxic reef]

yeah it's easier to just not think about the moving part

[tame lodge]

Yeah but then you gotta reload and collect ammo
Loses a bit of time efficiency

[toxic reef]

if you run like recon lasgun

[tame lodge]

Know what I mean

[jolly quail]

yeah ofc

[jolly quail]

yeah i was thinking either that or helbore

man some of these penances are really shit

[tame lodge]

If you do run recon

I recommend XIV with Deathspitter

You'll have 3+ cleave

Which will make shooting hordes more efficient for that penance

[jolly quail]

alright, thanks for the tip !

[meager echo]

it's best to go to mortis trail and crouch down + melee

it's faster

[jolly quail]

ohh yeah i forgot about the trials

that seems best

[meager echo]

if you want faster, you can download the mod many more try, choose map like mercantile or rolling steel

it's infinite horde starting event

easy 500+ < 10mins

[jolly quail]

so like, get to 10+ stacks with ranged wepaon, crouch down, spam lights with a good horde clear melee weapon ?

[jolly quail]

ill for sure do that lool

[meager echo]

pick the node that grant stack when stay still or crouch

[jolly quail]

yea

[meager echo]

dont stay over 500+ just die and reset, i get 2014 if stay too long and it will not count ...

I grind that penance yesterday lol

[jolly quail]

nice thx

can i dm u real quick to not clog chat

[meager echo]

sure

[jolly quail]

longshot seems pretty good for a lot of weapons

[narrow frost]

"seems"

[tame lodge]

Keyword

[narrow frost]

its not

[tame lodge]

Seems

0% increase from 0 to 12.5 meters

[jolly quail]

oh

[tame lodge]

Only max effectiveness past 30 meters

[jolly quail]

so these online builds are bullshit

on that gameslantern site?

[quaint marsh]

Most are

[jolly quail]

the rest i was already avoiding though

except maybe for the stun immunity one, is catch your breath really better if u want survivalist?

[jolly quail]

any resources for actually decent builds ? i got the hang of what was useless bc too hard to proc or whatever, but its hard to figure out what will make the most difference at higher difficulties

currently just maxing weapons and doing penances on heresy/damnation

[hollow ibex]

yes its not even close

[jolly quail]

but if i run voice of command do i really need the extra regen?

[hollow ibex]

hote guide in pins and asking here

[hollow ibex]

it's passive regen on a class that otherwise primarily regens from kills (which can be an annoying proc condition)

GBITF is also trash

that's the other reason why CAB is better

it's a 30 second cd, and only procs when your toughness is broken

[willow prairie]

catch a breath iirc that active as long as you don't get hit with health damage

[hollow ibex]

it's active as long as you're not hit in melee

and that includes blocking hits for some reason

but under most situations you can keep it up

because dodge is usually the first line of defense

not blocking

[jolly quail]

yea i see

[mortal aspen]

well, you still get hit when blocking 🤓

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/luntry-luntryifunny-luntryy-gif-26563187

i'm just glad it doesn't actually works as described tbh

if it worked as described, it would be actually fucking useless lol

[pseudo fiber]

Why your catch a breath glowing

[hollow ibex]

fancy effects from the screenshot program i use

[willow prairie]

bro just quirky like that

[tall torrent]

untrue
it deactivates on taking any melee hit even if u block it

[willow prairie]

yeah someone explained that below

shit uptime is so high though

[narrow frost]

isnt it related to the slot system

if you are slotted it doesnt work

[hollow ibex]

that's what it sounds like but ig not?

[tall torrent]

the direct competitor is abysmal dogshit so even tho CaB is not good enough for what it's trying to achieve, it's still the significantly better choice to path through

[tall torrent]

try this

[jolly quail]

looks good!

[willow prairie]

krak?

[drowsy laurel]

Krak lmao

[jolly quail]

i do like the frag yea

[willow prairie]

shredder is better imo on most build

unless you somehow don't have boss damage as vet

[tame lodge]

No guts no glory

[narrow frost]

kraks arent for boss damage

[willow prairie]

what it is for lol

[narrow frost]

carapace and bulwarks

and boss stagger

[drowsy laurel]

for losing runs!

[narrow frost]

lol

[willow prairie]

vet does not need help with carapace unless you run like devil claw or smt

shredder cc is fun and balanced

[hollow ibex]

when you got 20 bulwarks stacked on top of each other, sudenly kraks become pretty useful

[willow prairie]

I mean i literally have this happen but shredder carry

[mortal aspen]

someone showcased before, it still works if you're being attacked

[willow prairie]

idk if steam still have the run

[narrow frost]

its also talent pathing too

[willow prairie]

I mean smoke

shredder is still better imo than krak

also literal get out of jail free card with out for blood

[hollow ibex]

shredder is the strongest yeah

krak has its moments

not often

but it does

[willow prairie]

more like no moment

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/meg-ryan-orgasm-gif-15790530278035898210

[primal zealot]

shredder so based on full grenadier

krak also based cus fuck bulwarks

[hollow ibex]

bulwark racism best racism

[primal zealot]

krak + plasma lmao

although i recently got back on vet for the first time in ages doing a full grenadier build and its awesome

[willow prairie]

I mean it not bad just shredder just infinitely more general application

[hollow ibex]

yeah shredder is still king

[willow prairie]

also survivalist

[primal zealot]

depends on team comp tbh.

[tame lodge]

It's me

I'm the team comp

[primal zealot]

[hybrid plover]

the true best blitz for veteran are smokes obvs

now if only they weren't placed where they are on the tree 😔

[mortal zinc]

My opinion is that if Smokes acted closer to Payday’s Sicario, they might be used more. These days, I never see them. I’m just running them atm for the safety+penance.

I like the idea though

Did want to hop in here and ask about blessings for Chainaxe for Vet though.

[orchid hemlock]

nah, smokes are great, the issue is the pathing for havoc

[mortal zinc]

Any tips on using them better then? The build I set up runs the double-throw, but I’m focusing on the penance, as I said

[orchid hemlock]

why do you want doublethrow for smokes?

[mortal zinc]

Greater coverage for penance points

[willow prairie]

bruh

[orchid hemlock]

if you throw them in the same spot, they cover the same area

I dont think they stack either

[mortal zinc]

That’s what I was told to use

[orchid hemlock]

this game is misinformation central, we all FEDS here

[mortal zinc]

[orchid hemlock]

wait let me ask, do you know what smokes do?

[primal zealot]

irritate everyone ?

[orchid hemlock]

[mortal zinc]

Forcibly break LoS

[orchid hemlock]

yeah but what does that do to enemies?

[mortal zinc]

Stagger+blind?

[orchid hemlock]

they stop shooting

it also makes range units in the smoke put away thier guns and start meleeing

it also makes melee attacks slower in the smoke

in other words, it sorta behaves the same as ogryn taunt

[willow prairie]

no mod L

[orchid hemlock]

this is useful for everything that fire projectiles, even specialists like trapper and flamers

it also basically makes the twins a 1v1 fight because it stops the brother from shooting completly and just stands there

so yeah smokes are goated in havoc where everything can kill you with just 5 bullets

[hybrid plover]

Smokes aren't as useful in regular difficulties because guns aren't as much of an issue

But in Havoc, that completely changes.

[orchid hemlock]

im curious who told u to use double grenade for smokes tho 💀

[hybrid plover]

Wait who me?

Cuz that just sounds pointless.

Unless you're trying to throw them to cover a really big pathway so you'd throw two to cover the width fully but there's no real reason otherwise.

[orchid hemlock]

#veteran-class message

[hybrid plover]

I mean, if they're doing what I'm saying, it makes sense.

Sometimes you wanna wall off a really big line of sight and that's a good way to do it.

[orchid hemlock]

i thought that they fall in the same spot

[hybrid plover]

Oh that's twinned blast

Ehhh...

Yeah that's not necessary at all for smokes.

They do split further away from each other but

[orchid hemlock]

yeah you should take the grenad eupgrade

but twin blasts

i feel like it does nothing for smokes

[hybrid plover]

I don't think using a node for a chance for that to happen is the play

You're much better off with tinkerer

And even then, I still don't think tinkerer is really needed

[orchid hemlock]

tinker increases the duration

[hybrid plover]

I've never felt like the duration increase really mattered that much.

I usually use smokes and I've tried tinkerer.

Like it's nice to have.

But, given what tree we're talking about here, that's competing with a lot of other things

[willow prairie]

I mean people use smoke to advance or fill gap between psyker shield

[hybrid plover]

Yeah I don't use smokes to try and hold a position for long. I use them as a way for advances. And the duration won't matter that much in those cases, especially since the duration is already rather generous.

Well, advances and also getting a really dicey revive off too.

[mortal zinc]

I mean, yeah.

[mortal zinc]

One of my buddies who pours too much time over GameLantern builds. I tend to be more hands-on with my buildcraft.

I altered it a bit because it was a double-barrel/Kantrael build

[hybrid plover]

Yeah Ima be real. Smoke main here.

Idk wtf they're smoking on that one

[meager echo]

i think grenade tinker is kinda important

[mortal zinc]

Fair enough though.

Let me compile a visual on the build real quick and maybe I could get a hand on how to tweak it from ya then, if possible

[hybrid plover]

Ye I'm curious

[hybrid plover]

It's good but I don't think it's needed for smokes if you know what you're doing.

Now shredders and kraks, different story.

[meager echo]

I agree, it's more forgiving to have it

[hybrid plover]

Those two do actually see some real benefit that make them more applicable for what they're used for than without.

Like making the blast radius absurdly large with bistol and lethal prox

With shredders

[meager echo]

ah i mean only for the smoke, frag i think you can save 2 more point for more dmg node

if you path with smoke you kinda dont have enough point to go for good node

I think for havoc if your team coordinate well, chance you get more value out of frag, the stagger is way too handy.

but for pub, smoke is significant more consistent

[hybrid plover]

It depends entirely on team comp

[meager echo]

if psyker want to run shriek than you go smoke

but i think bon + multiple boss make psyker always want bubble tho

[hybrid plover]

Ye. Or if you already have a teammate that can deal a lot stagger.

[willow prairie]

basically just rumbler

[willow prairie]

Man™

run weapon specialist

[mortal zinc]

See, that was my thought too.

[hybrid plover]

Yeah focus target on this uh

On a double barrel

That is

[mortal zinc]

DBL/Kantrael build, yeah

[hybrid plover]

One of the choices of All Time

[willow prairie]

focus fire is honestly a trap most of the time

[mortal zinc]

Why do you think I'm asking for help, lel

[willow prairie]

its something you use once in a while

not really worth the investment

[hybrid plover]

Nah focus fire on some builds can be incredibly good

Especially in havoc with the boss spam

This however, is not one of those builds

[willow prairie]

I never feel the need for it even in havoc

[hybrid plover]

It's for your team too.

[meager echo]

yeah i don't feel the need for forcus target at all

[willow prairie]

weapon specialist is just too good lol

[meager echo]

make your melee suffer too much

[hybrid plover]

Use a melee that doesnt need a lot of investment

[mortal zinc]

Feel like Fleeting Fire could actually work well on this build, looking it over

[meager echo]

well we have ps + ds that's about it

[willow prairie]

psword and don't "need" weapon specialist but it mega buff them

[meager echo]

everything else is viable but you jsut put more pressure on the team

[hybrid plover]

Tac axe

[meager echo]

too slow man

[hybrid plover]

The tac axe, is too slow???

[mortal zinc]

Alright, dialed it back up to grab Trench Fighter, base Weapon Specialist, and Tinkerer. Could take Tinkerer off and instead go for Weapon Specialist boosts.

[meager echo]

yeah compare to killing potential of DS and PS yes

[mortal zinc]

Unless something else could be swapped out

I feel that Fleeting Fire would be a solid choice considering that this is a full shotty build

[primal zealot]

nah grenade tinker goated

[hybrid plover]

I would strongly suggest you take always prepared.

It turns the double barrel into a monster

[mortal zinc]

Maybe dial back points to get Always Prepared, Fleeting Fire, and On Your Toes?

[primal zealot]

on your toes is ass

[hybrid plover]

Lemme try to map out a good tree I use for double barrel

[primal zealot]

also we dont talk about toes/feet here. take that to zealot chat

[meager echo]

If there is a chorus zealot in the team, I think vet has to run melee that can be good with horde and elite if he want to run smoke.

[mortal zinc]

Well, I dialed out Tinkerer and was able to slot those in

[meager echo]

else you have trouble clearing

[mortal zinc]

Yeah, appreciate it.

[meager echo]

My havoc experienced is very limited, due to the way people play in my server. they usually don't want to experiment different teams comp. It's almost always the same build in everygame...

[hybrid plover]

God trying to do this on mobile is awful 💀

[primal zealot]

yea my phone doesnt run darktide well either

[narrow frost]

whuh

PS, sure

not much can compare to that

but Taxe does not lack in dps or clear

[meager echo]

because in my server they run zealot like a hard support postion, so vet is required to do good horde dps

[orchid hemlock]

Wait you are taking DB without WS?

[meager echo]

sure I can run taxe and ds but i just put more pressure on the other 2 guys

[willow prairie]

off meta havoc pretty much only happen on 4 stack

[hybrid plover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9feb030d-f54e-4a4a-baca-599166faa7e4/double-barrell?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

I've ran this in havoc 40 before.

The main issue here. And this is kind of a sacrifice for smokes pathing unfortunately, is the lack of a Stam delay node, meaning you have to be really careful taking engagements against carapace heavy hordes with power sword

You can't depend on the push stab as much with no Stam delay node

You could opt for 25% more ammo but honestly, having surv on double barrel honestly makes it kinda unnecessary since you'll always get a shell back anyway and assuming you're playing weapon spec right, one shell has a ton of value

[hybrid plover]

Man your teammates sounds annoying.

[orchid hemlock]

Book Zealots telling everyone they are garbage:

[hybrid plover]

But I've ran that. It's done me fine. Just be wary of your melee engagements and make sure you're procing your crits.

[orchid hemlock]

Book Zealots is actually insane if you actually position properly and actually use your throwing knives to take out specialist

It's boring AF tho 💀

[mighty willow]

LATAM is full of book zealots

I remember seeing quite a few in damnation

[orchid hemlock]

And actually use the flamer to help out with wave clearing

[hybrid plover]

Not if you're a dumbass like me and run it with martyrdom

[orchid hemlock]

Zealot players in havoc look lost half the time for me 💀

It's not really their fault, havoc isn't really an amazing game mode for them

[hybrid plover]

It feels good being a book zealot and doing comparable damage to ogryns and arbites lol

[mighty willow]

I think the only class that has fun in havoc is ogryn due to build variety

[willow prairie]

literally today for me

man cannot stop bitching that i run shredder instead of smoke

[orchid hemlock]

I don't agree with that

You either go taunt melee or rumbler gunlugger

That's kinda it

Arbi has more variety, but that is mostly because of Arbi being broken atm

[willow prairie]

more like having better talent tree

[willow prairie]

rumbler still want taunt anyway

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but I mean melee focused

Ig you have some variety with the melees, but club is just stupid atm

[spice shard]

either way you take taunt

cant imagine point blank is good with rumbler ngl

[orchid hemlock]

It's not that it's bad, it's just that it drains your ammo

The way you use rumbler in havoc is abusing lucky bullet

[spice shard]

yeah that'd explain it then

was not a fan of rumbler enough to try any builds with it

[mighty willow]

Lucky bullet is really funny on the grenade launcher

[spice shard]

if rumbler was impact i'd probably use it more
prefer the shotgun for single shots tho

[willow prairie]

you use rumbler for cc and boss damage

kickback is for sniping specialist

also boss damage

[orchid hemlock]

Rumbler was always good, it's just that before the Ogryn rework there was nothing to help it's piss ammo economy

It's a range weapon with unlimited cleave

[spice shard]

more the fact rumbler is a timed explosive and not impact explosive

[orchid hemlock]

Wait why does that sounds familiar? 🤔

[willow prairie]

shrimply hit them on the leg

[spice shard]

unfortunately still a timed explosive

not like you can cook the damn things

[willow prairie]

skill issue tbh since it rumbler

[spice shard]

less a skill issue more a preference issue

never been a fan of uncookable timed explosives

[meager echo]

it is a pain man, you can run anything different...

[spice shard]

why does hornet use a needle, are they stupid

[meager echo]

if someone run something funny it's instant lost

so i get why people are rigid in my server ...

[willow prairie]

I don't get why people have mega bloated scoreboard

[meager echo]

I want more info, to see where the dmg come from, deal to what target, to adjust my build or to see if my current build is effective or not.

[orchid hemlock]

Only stat that matters is: specialists killed 😈

[willow prairie]

I mean just do this instead

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1418586820236546180/20250919201715_1.jpg?ex=68cea96e&is=68cd57ee&hm=3efd932846ffc00bbb7cff58dfc1af61925fc5550a37b5baf4ff31b2a38dd838&

you don't need to know how much melee damage you deal to horde vs elites

boss killed also doesn't matter at all

[meager echo]

it's written in offensive tier1 2 3 4 5

so i dont even know what to turn off

[willow prairie]

spend 5 minutes in psykarium

on god

[meager echo]

nah

im fine with this

[mortal zinc]

Mate, I am at this point doing this on the fly with a build I know little of the finer intricacies of, that's why I'm asking in here.

[orchid hemlock]

Is this a DB build then?

[mortal zinc]

I'll look this over, thanks

[orchid hemlock]

Or is this focused on something else?

[mortal zinc]

This is a build doing double-duty. DBL and Kantrael CS

[orchid hemlock]

Wait what

I'm confused

[mortal zinc]

That was the intention anyway because I wasn't sure which I wanted to prioritize. My skill with a CS sits squarely on the Aggripinna, I have zero idea how to properly manage the Kantrael

So it was "well, this'll do while I'm trying to decide"

So now I'm trying to fine-tune it, so I'll likely stick on DBL with this

[orchid hemlock]

What's DBL?

[mortal zinc]

Double Barrel

Acronym from another game, sorry

[orchid hemlock]

Agripina is like the exact opposite of DB in terms of how they are used

Agri is sorta like a revolver

[mortal zinc]

That's what I'm trying to say

I know how to use an Aggri, I don't know how to properly use a Kantrael/DBL

[willow prairie]

you have 8 loadout slot bruh

[mortal zinc]

I already have a Aggri build

[orchid hemlock]

Well for DB I think that build they posted is fine then

[mortal aspen]

weapon specialist, manstopper flechette, never reload, guaranteed crit farm, kill everything

db

[orchid hemlock]

But to make it work you need to understand how WS and always prepared functions

[willow prairie]

no you don't need to understand anything

shoot at someone, switch to melee for a bit, shoot at someone repeat

[mortal aspen]

fr

[willow prairie]

the big part of weapon spec is the melee buff and reload on swap

[orchid hemlock]

Hey man I'm a Darktide player I need those instructions written down

[tall torrent]

use powerDI then

[spice shard]

you guys need info?

just hit it until it dies

problem solved

in all seriousness though DB with WS is great

[meager echo]

i used both score board and power di

zealot go full support, i dont bring ps = suffer man

i learn my lesson

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-kitty-gif-4527110245816515816

wot

[tall torrent]

u don't rly need both tho

powerDI already covers all the dmg stats u need

and many dmg stats don't matter that much

horde unit killcount (lesser enemies) doesn't matter

boss killcount doesn't matter (cuz it's only last hit that counts for this)

[hybrid plover]

Is tate the zealot

[meager echo]

it's like this man

i dont even know what to turn off

xD

[tall torrent]

just configure powerDI lol u don't need scoreboard for all that

[hybrid plover]

Wait wait wait

Why is the zealot

Using

A bistol

[meager echo]

I dont even know

[tame lodge]

Aura

[meager echo]

it's a pub game

[tame lodge]

[hybrid plover]

With puncture and deadly accurate 💀

[meager echo]

they invite me i just go with it

no question ask 😄

if psyker run purgatus it would be a 25mins run

!!

[hybrid plover]

Nah there's a point where you need to ask questions

[meager echo]

it's a free game anyway, mobian + purple

[midnight wyvern]

they're the best blessings in the game

hello?

get with the program dude

[meager echo]

i think they carry a less experience friend

i could be wrong

idk

[midnight wyvern]

the bistol carries all

do you like unyielding on your PS?

[meager echo]

yeah

[midnight wyvern]

why

[meager echo]

i want to change carapace to maniac

because boss dmg

[midnight wyvern]

yeah it hits nice BP with maniac

can 1 hit heavy mutants in H40 to the head without sunder (I switched it to BM to give it a try and its noice)

I run cara/maniac because boss damage is covered though I guess

[meager echo]

tbh, i don't know what to run, i just copy what other guys run in 40

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/locked-away-for-eternity-cat-cat-locked-in-bag-gif-19834648

you can chose too you know

[meager echo]

for some reason they like 2 hp curios on vet, i dont even know why

2 hp + 1 stamina

I have no idea

lol

[midnight wyvern]

gonna rely on gold toughness anyway

have more HP for chip

only weaker against ranged which you die instantly to without iron will and shit up anyway lol

[meager echo]

the only different is, they seem to prefer focus target on vet

i'm the very few with ws

i take ws mainly for the reload. I find it very hard to play without it.

[midnight wyvern]

the meta is WS so lol

FT is brainless

but WS side makes your melees not dogshit

[meager echo]

I don't know if carapace is good on ps

the last game only has like 11 crusher

it could be powerdi show the wrong stat

[midnight wyvern]

maybe not in what you're playing

but if you're not running havoc I don't know why you just copy pasted a H40 build lol

crushers, maulers and ragers are everywhere in havoc

[meager echo]

it's a h40 run

no maulers

only 11 crushers

that's why i have been thinking about the carapace blessing on PS

[midnight wyvern]

blessed seed

💀

[meager echo]

74 reapers tho

this game is so random

idk man

216 gunners

maybe it's a shooters seed

[spice shard]

you clearly didnt have enough ammo so the director gave you some

via a lot of gunners

[meager echo]

I rather have this than bulwark spam, tbh

[tall torrent]

it is

[tall torrent]

boss is not maniac

plague ogryn, chaos spawn, beast of nurgle and daemonhost are monster (unyielding)
scap captain and admonition champion are captain (flak)
twins are also captain (carapace weakspot)

[meager echo]

I mean keep unyielding and change carapace to maniac

i'm not sure because I dont play havoc alot this week

maybe i just happen to have gunners seeds

[tall torrent]

Again, bosses are not maniac

[meager echo]

I know, mainly for mutant

[tall torrent]

Maniac doesn’t even change mutant breakpoint for havoc

Still 2-3 hits to kill

[meager echo]

than i guess no need to change anything haha

[hybrid plover]

That's a zealot. Zealots can't make use of deadly accurate.

Vet is a different story since they have a means of guaranteeing crits

Surgical and puncture would be a more sensible set of picks in their case.

[midnight wyvern]

That's also sarcasm so uh

[meager echo]

Maybe he's a less experience player, normally book zealot do lik 150k+ boss dmg

[midnight wyvern]

[hybrid plover]

Fair enough.

[midnight wyvern]

That doesn't make sense lol

What has book on a zealot got to do with their weapons doing boss damage

[meager echo]

they run ds tho

[midnight wyvern]

If anything they'd have less because they can stagger them alot of the time, can also suppress captains with their shields up

[meager echo]

he run ds and has 70k boss dmg, we have 10 boss that game

isnt that a bit too low

[hybrid plover]

Me with my martyr book psycho

It's possible

[midnight wyvern]

Oh I know

I'm just saying the two are not linked

[hybrid plover]

They kinda are. Remember that one of book's subnodes is an extra 30% damage

[meager echo]

but it's okay, they are very chilled and coordinate well with voice

[hybrid plover]

And that applies to DoTs too.

[midnight wyvern]

And DS is fine for bosses but I wouldn't put it at the top of a list for doing alot of damage to them lol

[midnight wyvern]

That applies to the whole team, so if anyone is running boss damage they're going to get it first before a DS

Like what's the logic lol

[hybrid plover]

You'd be surprised when a boss comes around in a really dicey situation

[midnight wyvern]

They're also able to use said boss damage dealing shit while the zealot stands there to get 5 pulses

[hybrid plover]

Sometimes the dedicated boss killer can't actually get that moment even with chorus.

[midnight wyvern]

I really wouldn't be

[meager echo]

but 10k average for each boss

is kinda low in my opinion

[midnight wyvern]

He stabbed it a few times and it died

[meager echo]

it's like 6 or 7 hit

[hybrid plover]

Also that scoreboard was my first h40 clutch

That was probably the most stressful game I have ever had

[midnight wyvern]

[meager echo]

I've seen good book zealot

[hybrid plover]

Mk4 tac axe, my beloved...

[meager echo]

the guy push bosses off cliff

he drag the boss to that position

and push

[hybrid plover]

That's what you should be aiming to do as book zealot in most cases if you can

It's what I try to do when I know it's possible in that scenario

[meager echo]

that's why it's very hard to demand zealot to do dmg in havoc

he has to keep book up all the time

like full time support

[tall torrent]

I think it’s actually 7 pulse to activate

Idk why it says 5 pulses

Meaning u need to do the full channeling animation

[midnight wyvern]

Lol

So even longer

Incredible

Man fuck book zealots not carrying boss damage every game it's their one job

[meager echo]

talking about book zealot, I remember having h40 with a zealot with chain axe

captain shield destroyer

haha

I don't even know that weapon was viable

[tall torrent]

that's the ONLY thing chainaxe is good at lmao

[meager echo]

I am lowkey avoid playing zealot, I think the class is way harder to play than vet

require more thinking

[tall torrent]

it's avg / below avg in like every other metric

lol

[meager echo]

book usage has higher skill ceiling than voc

[void dragon]

genuinely hope that we see the Zealot rework soon, im running out of excuses to play my zealot (dont get how ppl like the class, even as a chorus diva)

[tall torrent]

methamphetamine and/or LSD

[meager echo]

Try loner knife zealot, traumatize people in auric haha

[void dragon]

"one of the long term effects of methamphetamine is mental health conditions" welp that checks out

[tall torrent]

I was gonna include smth there but decided not to

[void dragon]

i applaud your restrain Path mate

[tall torrent]

a surprisingly high percentage of zealot players are furries

however correlation is not causation

[mortal aspen]

why is that surprising

[void dragon]

meanwhile me, a zealot hater, im the main Felinid propaganda distributor, ironic

[pseudo fiber]

I chose to be a veteran main furry instead

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-well-whatever-gif-9050415

[tall torrent]

A surprisingly high percentage of veteran players take longshot so I can’t rly judge

[mortal aspen]

well, it does sound good on paper. until you learn how it works in reality

[meager echo]

it's fatshark fault man

they should describe it better

[void dragon]

no, they should make it USEFUL

[mortal aspen]

yes it is their fault

but adding a line of text is too much work, they've got "other priorities"

[tame lodge]

We don't chorus

Chastise 24/7

https://tenor.com/view/moon-knight-moon-knight-marvel-gif-25255244

[void dragon]

Thug charge life

[tame lodge]

So yeah

Zealot is W + M1

Everything dies

Brain Happy

You even get to one shot everything

Well maybe except Redactus targets because health gate

[tropic notch]

Sorry

My brainrot so advance that sometimes path can’t decipher it

[void dragon]

is your brainrot also coded into visions of felinid new class Fyre frend?

[tropic notch]

Naur…..

[hybrid plover]

I pride myself being the one nutcase zealot that tries to do both and succeeds

The trick. Is abusing the everliving hell out of pious cutthroat.

[hybrid plover]

We are one and the same, fellow guard.

[steep flower]

Bunch’a degenerates

[void dragon]

present Teacher Longsausage

[errant apex]

when can we get dome nade on vet as an alternative to smoke nade, i wanna make psyker obsolete in havoc 50??

[hushed warren]

Been trying out the infiltrate ability but feels kinda weak. Is there a decent build for that ability?

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

infil is just going to be weaker than voc tho

that's just how it is

infil is fun though

[hushed warren]

Yeah I know it weaker just wanted to try something different

Also thanks for the build

[hollow ibex]

i will never understand zealots that take more ammo than me, an exec stance vet

[willow prairie]

chat i need a helBORE build

[unreal forge]

voice of command down to focus target

it's nothing special

[willow prairie]

wouldn't markman focus ve better

[grand perch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fb602da-5423-489e-aba3-f4370e352290/havoc-40-helbore-sniper-streltsy
if you want marksmans focus

damage is a little overkill for maelstrom but it oneshots crushers, so if youre into that

[willow prairie]

what i cooked

i can probably get deadshot but that pretty much kill my melee

also no stamina when i need to run

[tame lodge]

No

Such

Thing

As

Over

Kill

🗣️

[tropic notch]

No melee nodes bruh

[unreal forge]

don't need it with helbore

dueling sword is good enough without the weapon specialist path too

[tropic notch]

The drooling sword

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-12944899486400191725

[willow prairie]

excise vault so shit that my fps went from 100+ to 37

[steep flower]

No need to

[tropic notch]

True they aren’t needed but they are amazing

I can’t do without

[willow prairie]

vigilant autogun without suppression immunity make me want to kms

[grand perch]

use exec stance

receive bacon

[willow prairie]

i wish there hist+ in maelstorm so i dont miss havoc everytime i play it

20$ is 20$

[rancid egret]

Patiently waiting for Melta and Power Cutlass

[unreal forge]

Your 1 year wait will be paid off with a reskinned relic blade

[midnight wyvern]

1H relic blade

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-yeah-baby-woooooooooo-thats-what-ive-been-waiting-for-yeah-gif-22417308

[willow prairie]

the average iq of auric player make me want to kms

how the fuck am i top damage running iag with devil claw

[midnight wyvern]

you hit enemies

too powerful

stop trying so hard

[willow prairie]

bro ascending

[woeful fjord]

quick question. any recommendations for a dump stat for a plasma gun?

[midnight wyvern]

@tired egret

@woeful fjord

[woeful fjord]

wow. that's someone who stands behind their views. thanks

[midnight wyvern]

good luck getting the roll though, very specific lol

[willow prairie]

what blessing yall use on the shovel

i mean perk

not blessing

[midnight wyvern]

💀

[midnight wyvern]

💀

just had an auric mael with 3 zealots where they just inhaled all the ammo in existence

on monstrous specialists while I am just nuking bosses

the bonk zealot really needs the ammo guys

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-kitty-gif-4527110245816515816

[north frost]

embraced evil, using dueling sword on my vet from now on

[sudden cedar]

@midnight wyvern The crusher has ascended.

[unreal forge]

I feel you. Playing Vet without dueling sword feels horrible

[midnight wyvern]

🫃

[unreal forge]

I actually quite like the shovel also

It does what I want my melee to do which is just stun shit

[north frost]

went from heavy sword, to power sword, to devil's claw; and not of them have felt as good as the dueling sword. Will have to give the shovel a serious try next

[unreal forge]

the one with the stab special attack is """good"""

decimator and skullcrusher

the push attack does a shit ton of finesse damage

[north frost]

roger roger

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/yYme.gif

[midnight wyvern]

Power sword is fantastic it just takes getting used to and having the right blessings

I was once a hater, but I have seen the light

that PA does some work

[north frost]

if it had a heat mechanic I might prefer it, but aways pressing 'power on' gets annoying

having said that, it's all personal taste

for example, you'll never get me to abandon the Helbore

[midnight wyvern]

I hope it gets one in the future

or atleast a rework to its garbage functionality

it shouldn't have a timer on its charges if they're gonna be limited

and I don't think getting hit stunned should make you have to recharge it

only lifted/fall damage like relic blade deactivation should stop it

just outdated mechanics IMO

but its a good weapon

[pseudo fiber]

I don't think the power sword will ever get a rework

The power Falchion will just exist instead as "power sword but heat mechanic"

[midnight wyvern]

still

im hyped for Falchion

[meager echo]

It's tedious but dps uptime is way better than heat mechanic...

If they change ps to heat mechanic it might be a nerf to the weapon

Ps has above average skill floor but very low skill ceiling, just tedious to use.

[north frost]

that sounds fair

[north frost]

all new stuff is good imo

[serene bough]

any other leaked content for this update besides new powersword

[tame lodge]

All I have is different blessings on the code

But nothing confirmed

[serene bough]

ok tyty

[north frost]

three days from release and we still have basically nothing...joy

[serene bough]

im ok with waiting just curious

[pseudo fiber]

New enemy. New Mortis map. New memories for Zorin.

There's an event too

[serene bough]

whos zorin

[pseudo fiber]

The arbites on the ship

[serene bough]

oh okay

[pseudo fiber]

Oh and the new enemy is permanent apparently

Not event locked

So get ready to get molly whopped when you turn a corner

[serene bough]

maybe they'll even reintroduce the radio operator too

[north frost]

hope so, was on holiday for that event

[old cobalt]

Is Rending Strikes worth dropping Target Down for in a Recon Lasgun build?

25% Toughness/Stamina Replenishment for all allies in coherency on marked target death vs 10% Rending to all Weapons

I'm 99% sure I don't have 100% Reding so there's no DR; Just a flat 10% Damage boost.

[faint beacon]

Christ it clicked to me it’s 3 days and still nothing

Starting to self doubt chat… the update was the friends we made along the way

[turbid ibex]

just remember

doubters have to win every time

believers only have to win once

🗣️

[hollow ibex]

i wouldn't be surprised if the update gets delayed

or is a mess lol

[tame lodge]

Nothing ever happens so don't worry about it

[sly orchid]

I havent seen the new CM talk at all

[faint beacon]

Update was the new friends we made along the way

[sudden cedar]

That is in line with Fatshark, isn't it.

Don't act all surprised.

[faint beacon]

Kitefines body attached to strings

[sudden cedar]

Kitefin is gone

[void dragon]

Mother of all bugs that makes you picking a class CTD, that's my guess

[hollow ibex]

that's too mundane

[sly orchid]

That vt2 CM has barely been online since hes supposed to be the new one for darktide

[hollow ibex]

we need a bug that always crashes your game as you're about to extract

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-8242347154758580084

[void dragon]

Sure, but is ObeseFish, they are all about disappointing us

[sly orchid]

Fatshark might be finding a new CM currently

[sudden cedar]

They are too busy doing stuff for VT2 so.. 🙂

[sly orchid]

Turtleneck dog

[faint beacon]

On the verge of tears

[void dragon]

How is that different from good ole 2001/2014?

[hollow ibex]

too random

we need a more precise and targeted bug

to maximize time wasted and frustration

[faint beacon]

Greyhounds always look like they’re like one word away from bursting out into a violent crying outburst

[void dragon]

Pet the dogo, and give him augmentations to fight for the Emperor

[sly orchid]

Like why do they exist </3

[faint beacon]

Hunting

And uh

Running really really fast

[void dragon]

Those 2 are usually related

[willow prairie]

the mk1 shovel is goated fr

shit just have kind of ass horde clear

[void dragon]

Wish that the other shovels would be as good, they feel like DS but actually bad

[tame lodge]

The 2 frames run is hilarious

*sprites

[willow prairie]

the folding shovel is so bad it not even funny

[tame lodge]

Paws on the ground
Paws on the air loop

[tropic notch]

My face reveal

[tame lodge]

Drink the chalice

[tame lodge]

Why do you have it

😭