veteran-class

[plain osprey]

Youll be the doom of specialists

[ocean idol]

headhunter is better for that though

[plain osprey]

*Vigilant

Nomenclature matters 🤓

[mortal aspen]

if I watch Rick and Morty, do I have enough IQ for smokes?

[ocean idol]

THAT GUN IS HEADHUNTER IN THIS HOUSE

[ocean idol]

naturally

[void dragon]

People will not learn if they never try and die like a true guardsmen

[hard oracle]

how the plasma and the back pack are literally matching 😂

the pants seem to be the most polarizing bit

i wish vet had more cosmetcs

more stuff that isnt "cool looking army man #156"

I need edgy inquisition veteran or something idk

[jade flower]

I'm currently using the plasma gun, can you guys recommend me something similiar? still getting to grips with veteran and I'm trying to finish adept assassin.

I have maybe less than 30 more to get and I'm finish with the penance.

[severe jolt]

You don't need to fix anything that's a really good build. It's just that it's a bit generic.

[hard oracle]

boltgun is the only thing really close to plasma... maybe ? quickdraw revolver?

I have a ton of time on vet and pretty much solely use plasma

you could mess around with the recon lasguns some

but those builds devour ammo

[hard oracle]

you could try the bolt piss

[proven karma]

Krieg is all I need

[spark helm]

It's solid one to keep in the back pocket. Safe and mobile anyway so why not. You can come up with plenty of other builds though depending on what you're trying to do.

Yes.

What did you come up with recently?

[mortal aspen]

I did this with Taxe\DB

[bronze sedge]

what's the best melee combo to go with plasma gun?

[mortal aspen]

it's a shame the pathing is so awkward

[faint beacon]

Honestly take Recip over the middle node there mainly cause seeing it’s WS and it’s Taxe

Youll dodge a shit ton

[mortal aspen]

pretty sure btw, that I took an overhead straight to the face and didn't take hp damage

[faint beacon]

You’re bound to have high Crit chance

[mortal aspen]

with Iron Will + Infiltrate TDR

[faint beacon]

Plus Taxe likes crits

[hollow ibex]

man i would really just take one subnode tops for infil

[mortal aspen]

the problem is that infiltrate makes it so that enemies ignore me

so I thought the dodge wouldn't proc that often

[mortal aspen]

it's mostly a meme build

I wanted to take all nodes, but fuck me, it's too tight already

[faint beacon]

It’ll have far more uptime honestly

Seeing youll have moments of downtime with Infil vs like

EStance or VOC

[mortal aspen]

yeah, probably

[faint beacon]

Big horde? Free high Crit

[stoic thorn]

Chainsword obviously (totally not biased)

Or power sword (actually unbiased)

[mortal aspen]

I feel like if I'm going Infiltrate I want to go full reject

[bronze sedge]

it's not 40k if you don't use a chainsword every now and again

but yeah i'd be using PS

[stoic thorn]

I love giving gunners backshots with infiltrate

[mortal aspen]

it's really really funny how they just ignore you

[stoic thorn]

Technically headshots but I miss them point blank

I use the shotgun

I prefer zealot shroud

For killing people

But infiltrate lowkey fun as fuck

[hollow ibex]

wished CD wasn't 45 seconds lol

[faint beacon]

Plasma? Power sword, Tac Axe, Dueling Sword, Combat Axe, Knife

Heavy sword if you’re running Kraks

[mortal aspen]

it's not even 45, it's 60

[stoic thorn]

Wrong, power sword

[mortal aspen]

because I'm pretty sure you always want that second use

[ruby anvil]

the suppression it gives enemies is actually really good

[stoic thorn]

Infil is 60s cd holyshity

[hollow ibex]

oh wait

[hollow ibex]

oh nah

i never take double charge

[mortal aspen]

really?

[stoic thorn]

I don't take double charge

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean i know some infil mains like it

[stoic thorn]

Because I will live when I pop up

[hollow ibex]

i don't

[stoic thorn]

I don't need a second chsrge

I FIGHT my way outta it

And if I die

I die

I've got 4 regening frags I will live

[formal ice]

Why are you guys talking about second charge on the shout or something

It's dogshit

[untold nymph]

I SHOULDVE NAMED MY VETERAN SOLID SNAKE

[hollow ibex]

if voc got a second charge

[formal ice]

You can still do that

[untold nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[ruby anvil]

do the personality reset bruh

[faint beacon]

I mean you can just go to Krall and personality reset

[untold nymph]

I can do that?

[stoic thorn]

I named my vet

You can guess what I named him

[untold nymph]

Hmmmmm

Torbjorn

[faint beacon]

Though good luck waiting for the Steel Legion alt camo to come into rotation for a camo pattern he has

That shit is fucking rare

[stoic thorn]

No I named him penis

[severe jolt]

yes
somewhere around the mourningstar there's a "barber-chirurgeon" that lets you change your appearance and name

[ruby anvil]

yes! there's a personality reset at the barber guy

[untold nymph]

Which ones the stealth hidey ability?

[sudden cedar]

Infiltrate.

[faint beacon]

Right side, infiltrate

[untold nymph]

Are there builds built around it

[faint beacon]

Yeah? Just it’s limiting cause of its position and tax on points

[ruby anvil]

yes

go to the gameslantern website for builds

[hollow ibex]

gameslantern builds are pretty shit

[faint beacon]

Do NOT do that

[hollow ibex]

ignore the public ones

[faint beacon]

Ask in here holy

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

[faint beacon]

As terrible as Discord can be I’ve seen less worse takes here

Than Reddit and Gameslantern combined

[untold nymph]

Noted

[stoic thorn]

I run exe plasma chainsword ws

[ruby anvil]

the most popular ones are shit, if you do the updated recently ones you'll find some decent builds

[faint beacon]

See if it was Arby

I would’ve been like ah understandable

But it’s Vet Chainsword

Lmao

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't bother with that, just ask here

[stoic thorn]

I love chainsword

[severe jolt]

This server is quite impressive. I often feel like I'm the dumbest person around.

[stoic thorn]

I love exe plasma

[faint beacon]

The tragedy that is Arby being the only class to make CS actually really good

[stoic thorn]

I wish exe plasma actually hit breakpoints

[tame lodge]

I mean

[faint beacon]

Just ask in here basically, we even have a “slightly” outdated vet guide in pins

[tame lodge]

The good news is that it doesn't really need exec stance for bps

[faint beacon]

New one is being worked on, steam drop eventually

[faint beacon]

Okay okay hear me out

Helbore IV

[untold nymph]

What’s a good infiltrate build

[tame lodge]

Doesn't need it

[untold nymph]

I need to start solid snaking it

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

Charged Critical Weakspot should already deal more damage than Most Elites can handle

Also Helby 4 charged hitting for 1k on maniacs body shot

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

[faint beacon]

Oh I knew just reminding the vet neighborhood of the Helby IV propaganda

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-keep-the-rent-low-in-my-neighbourhoo-chief-keef-gif-5043739507113617112

[tame lodge]

Damn
It actually settled on me that the maniacs buff was pretty good

[faint beacon]

How I keep reminding vet players Helby IV is good

[tame lodge]

But like I didn't know it was that good

1k body shot is crazy

[hollow ibex]

posted one above

[faint beacon]

It got an Unarmored buff also iirc

Which I mean Didnt really do anything massive other than confirm kills on Dreg Bombers and Gunners

[spark helm]

What else you do? Curious about the curios and perks/blessings.

[narrow widget]

shredder frags

[mortal aspen]

I'm just messing around, you should ask better players if you want to do something like this

[untold nymph]

I request a infiltrate build, with a knife

Or is the knife bad

[gilded wraith]

Knife is fine. Still a top 5 vet melee a little behind DS and PS.

[orchid hemlock]

Infiltrate Vet is fine, I just find that people use stealth in this game incorrectly to utilize it effectively

It's not really their fault, Fatshark designed around it very poorly

[gilded wraith]

Not sure if tac axe edges it out now or not.

[untold nymph]

Also about the Loose cannon and Cadia personality

Is that the personality that rage baits tf outta the Cadian

[narrow widget]

all of the other vet personalities bait the cadian

[orchid hemlock]

Everyone baits the Cadian 😈

[untold nymph]

Nah but like REALLY pisses them off

[orchid hemlock]

I think it's the Zealot that really pisses off the Cadian

Because they straight up say: "If Cadians were more faithful, then it would still be alive"

And tbh, I would crash out too

[midnight wyvern]

after using them both in high havoc id say Taxe is betterer on vet

[untold nymph]

https://youtu.be/x2yx7gdPyB0?si=twhPirRedF-ws4kq

Yeah this one

[midnight wyvern]

Planet broke before the guard did

[narrow widget]

blah blah blah cadia cadia cadia

[midnight wyvern]

hell, you even hear them talking to some of the zealots and they're wanting them to recite a prayer and stuff lol

or for them to do it together

[faint beacon]

Taxe is a Swiss Army knife for vet tbh

[midnight wyvern]

Taxe is great

Tax less so

[narrow widget]

do your taxes
tax vet more

[faint beacon]

It covers a lot of areas you need filled but doesnt excel at it

[midnight wyvern]

I wish I could get attack speed for Vet without needing trench fighter so I could use Caxe more often but

[narrow widget]

just take ws every time

[mortal aspen]

Taxe with 20% attack speed feels good, but without it ehh

[narrow widget]

never have that problem again

[midnight wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[faint beacon]

Taxe is probably the only melee of handful that feels good without Trench Fighter

[midnight wyvern]

DS has been okay just because it kills specialists/elites better than Taxe but the horde clear is sad

[faint beacon]

Well it’s DS

[midnight wyvern]

really been going through the weapons to find any that might feel better but its not seeming that way lol

[faint beacon]

I don’t take it into consideration cause it’s just overpowered as all hell

[midnight wyvern]

Taxe my beloved

[midnight wyvern]

I do, and I don't really like it lol

[faint beacon]

I avoid it like a Plauge mainly cause I refuse to pick up bad habits from it

[midnight wyvern]

Taxe with decimator and brumentum just feels real nice

[faint beacon]

Taxe on the other hand feels better

[narrow widget]

i do ds with nade vet cuz the nades kill the horde well enough
but it's been a while since I last played dt so

[midnight wyvern]

I have kraks for finishing things or bursting Captains in my comp

tried shredders and just had more niche situations where I'd want kraks instead

so I guess the focus is more on horde clear for the melee

or mobility, Taxe does both well enough

[spark helm]

Hour ago but honestly the main thing to actually develop is more of an understanding about how you can set builds up more deliberately to actually see what makes a build strong and adjust as you see fit for builds that you'd really have fun with playing. Luckily, you're playing veteran so you're already playing an inherently pretty stable and easier to learn class that can do plenty even if you're pooling from narrow build skeletons. Some talents are just so solid for veteran that they can be slotted in to nearly any build and variation of said build.

[spark helm]

Not like you don't just draw on the same fundamentals when you're actually paying attention to what you're doing with any strong melee option tbh. I get being worried about playing with other weapons with the same outlook but even that gets ironed out eventually in a player.

[sly orchid]

isnt helbore also the most ammo effecient

[sly orchid]

i have 0 mastery in dueling sword

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-gif-5430850758035663288

[spark helm]

If I can't be edgemaster in everything, me no care.

[faint beacon]

Yeah cause it actually has surgical

Inf Las value would increase just slightly with that blessing imo

[azure stream]

you ever think how funny it is that one of Professionals Voice of Command shouts is "FIGHT OR ANSWER TO ME

[ocean idol]

no

[azure stream]

to quote Burke "He's just a Grunt. No offense."

[tame lodge]

The way professional goes around threatening to shoot people

Yeah

Answer to him

[azure stream]

I'm sure he'd suck up to Commissar Dukane if he could.

[tame lodge]

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[hollow ibex]

did a gloriania HITSG event run

that was pretty fucking amazing ngl

[untold nymph]

Which face looks more like Solid snake

Or venom snake

[tame lodge]

I will not remember

[toxic reef]

yoooo! my second veteran is named that, good choice

but with Torbjörn

[faint beacon]

Is there even an eyepatch for Vet?

I know there is for Ogryn and Zealot

[toxic reef]

don't think so

[distant mural]

I prefer: VICTORY OR DEATH

[tropic notch]

@faint beacon what bp does kraks miss if you don’t take tinker

[toxic reef]

this was the closest I could find https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/2541800915851854327/6D9CA03278FB389BD79BE01C7059758AF4AAD857/

[faint beacon]

Bulwarks iirc

[tropic notch]

That’s it?

What the scallop

[polar bay]

What are the most normal weapons people have? I switched to an ogre veteran, I can't try everything yet, the saber just seems to be comfortable
I just switched to an Ogre veteran, I'm not used to dying from any sneeze. Although I liked the infinite WH skills.

[tropic notch]

Power sword, tac axe, combat axe, knife, chainaxe, are all good options

[orchid hemlock]

I also been noticing that since the range on Vet is almost always a specialist killer, the melee for me ends up being just wave clear or wave management

[tropic notch]

I can recommend a build if you want

[hollow ibex]

another example of duelling sword making people worse at the game 😭

[orchid hemlock]

So I've been using DS and Knife less and less

[polar bay]

It would be great, but I'm asking for a weapon to kill the crowd. Sometimes I can't even kill a homeless shooter with 3-4 punches.

[hollow ibex]

power sword

you might hate it tho

but it is the strongest melee weapon on vet

[tropic notch]

All that I recommend will be amazing for any content

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build @polar bay

[polar bay]

I say that to girls sometimes too huh

[tropic notch]

[orchid hemlock]

What?

[faint beacon]

Does 4k alone and Bulwarks have 4.8k

[polar bay]

A shotgun? Can it be replaced? Otherwise, the whole team will die from a single sniper or machine gunner...I don't trust random allies

[tropic notch]

It’s bleak

[plain osprey]

No field improv

Throw the whole thing away

[tropic notch]

It can snipe

[hollow ibex]

field improv is meh anyway

[tropic notch]

Trust me

[polar bay]

You got it, man)

[tropic notch]

But other weapons you can use is bolt pistol, revolver, combat shotgun

[narrow widget]

bolter

the best weapon in dark tide

[polar bay]

I didn't even think about running with a shotgun...But if you think back to the 2000s, the shotgun was a meta in DOOM

[tropic notch]

Also snipers can be slid under if your wanting to push them they aren’t a big threat tbh

[distant mural]

I wish vet had the exterminator shotgun. That would be peak.

[polar bay]

Well, I'm looking at him too, 1 shot, 1 corpse, does the elite have a lot of armor? Then you just need a lot of shots.

[plain osprey]

Youre wrong

[tropic notch]

Well with that you’ll feel like doom guy lol

[narrow widget]

my goat bolter would never struggle against anything

[tropic notch]

He’s right

It’s not needed tbh

[tropic notch]

Do you take a lot of corruption damage

[distant mural]

Unless you do the blight haboc its not really needet

[narrow widget]

I sit in pox gas and edge corruption damage

[distant mural]

And if you have zealot you dont need it at all

[mortal aspen]

double barrel or bust

[toxic reef]

field improv is way more viable than beacon at least

[plain osprey]

I like the utility. Purge open wounds, restore nades for everyone. Seems like a good overall point investment

[sudden cedar]

Field Improv is not only useful for removing corruption if needed, but also because you can quickly get grenades for Ogryn to clear a room if things get out of control.

[plain osprey]

More nukes = happy life

[toxic reef]

blitz maelstrom + field improv + nade ogryn

match made in heaven

[sudden cedar]

Nukes or Boxes, both helps.

Survivability is most of the time more important than damage. You can't kill when you are dead.

[polar bay]

Can a veteran give a grenade to an Ogryn?!

[sudden cedar]

With Field Improv, yes.

[toxic reef]

with field improv it makes ammo crates restore grenades

[steep flower]

Field Improv

[toxic reef]

not giving a grenade of your own

[sudden cedar]

You drop ammo crate and Ogryn gets grenades from it.

[plain osprey]

Never read the ability description?

[polar bay]

In 200 hours as an Ogryn, I have never played with people who would use this aspect for a grenade...

[plain osprey]

You need better teammates

[polar bay]

It's such a cliche)))

[sudden cedar]

But it is true.

[polar bay]

In boxing, you just have to dodge and hit better, In running you just have to run better, in games you just have to find the best team))))

[toxic reef]

it's not a talent that's hard to slot either, is p well situated on the tree

[tropic notch]

It’s nice I will say

I wish it was built in

[plain osprey]

Its a no brainer for me
But people who dont pick it are probably in the same boat as the dipshits who find but dont pick up ammo crates because "i dont need much, fuck my teammates"

[polar bay]

And I'm the person who just played all of Miyazaki's new 7+ game. It's already in my blood to rely only on myself. That's why I asked for weapons advice so that I could solve everything in close and long range combat.

[steep flower]

simple; you take away stamina regen delay boost; unironically

there ya go

[steep flower]

this is a teams based game; bet on them & yourself

[toxic reef]

I'd rather have grenade regen as built in

[mortal aspen]

Power Sword deals with everything in melee + any precision weapon for ranged: bolter, bolt pistol, helbore, vigilant, plasma

but power sword is lame

[narrow widget]

I never take it bc the 2 point deviation imo is worth more elsewhere

[distant mural]

How dare you

[steep flower]

zarona revolver?

[mortal aspen]

POWER SWORD IS LAME

[plain osprey]

Really? Where to?

[plain osprey]

But is he wrong though?

[narrow widget]

ws and other bottom right tree nodes

[steep flower]

2 point? do you use exec stance?

[distant mural]

The activation gives me physical pain but i love power swords

[toxic reef]

power sword is special clicking simulator

[steep flower]

and if so; why would you not EVER take demo stockpile

[toxic reef]

miss to click special and it lame

[tame lodge]

Activated Power Sword is the best generalist in the game
Unpowered sword is a sword made of balloons

[plain osprey]

Yes and yes. It feels sluggish to me. I feel more nimbler with ogryn shield than with powersword

[polar bay]

If I were betting on the team more than on myself in this game, it would be sadomasochism.

[severe jolt]

forget the power sword and the duelling sword
combat axe is where it's at

[narrow widget]

wait I forgot where field improv was lmfao

[toxic reef]

it's above voc

[steep flower]

you haven't meet good teammates yet then; not surprised; they are not a commodity

[steep flower]

right above VoC

[narrow widget]

oh yeah I take either duck and dive or on your toes instead of field improv

[mortal aspen]

Combat axe also feels like a decent all rounder melee

but so slow

[plain osprey]

Ah, the skillissue nodes.

[mortal aspen]

even with WS

[narrow widget]

hey free stamina/toughness is free stamina/toughness

[steep flower]

nobody uses on your toes

[polar bay]

@tropic notch By the way, about the build, is it really necessary to take the right branch? There's just a buff time when changing weapons, it's not very pleasant to play with.

[steep flower]

only always prepared and the keystone itself is normally used; rest is redundant

[plain osprey]

jUsT dOnT gET hIT bRuH

[narrow widget]

idk I sort of feel a difference sometimes

also I like how it makes the tree look aesthetically pleasing

[steep flower]

use OfB & CK; thats all you need really

[steep flower]

this ain't an arts class this is darktide; its a video game I like aestetics too but i wont pick something average just so it looks good on the panel

[narrow widget]

worst thing you can do is make the tree look unaesthetic

[mortal aspen]

feng shui matters

fr

[steep flower]

I can smell the bait

but i'm hungry

[tropic notch]

I would weapons specialist is very good, you don’t have to swap constantly just enough to refresh the buff

[narrow widget]

fr
arby tree has bad feng shui

[toxic reef]

it's because it's so broad and not locked up like zealot or veteran

[mortal aspen]

why is it not pleasant? It's practically free 15% attack speed for melee

[narrow widget]

nah wtf is this??? why is it so pointed

[buoyant pewter]

I believe it's to be like a badge

[tame lodge]

Hold on

[narrow widget]

sorry wait lemme add more arrows

[toxic reef]

they skipped the tree allegory

now it's a pachinko board instead

[severe jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jas8OABbn0Y
speaking of aesthetics, you lot ever watch a film called "Mad God"? the fatshark devs said it was a visual inspiration for Darktide.
and it's a really cool movie

[hybrid plover]

And dodge speed and distance

[buoyant pewter]

Seems like it needs even more

[narrow widget]

when I look at arby tree all I see is how lumpy it is 💀 💀 💀 💀

[sudden cedar]

Some just see what they want to see.

[steep flower]

a magnum opus of the creator; made by 1 man

[plain osprey]

Thats a very interesting name? It it a brand name for ramen?

[narrow widget]

consult a feng shui master vro it will change your room layout fr 🙏 🙏 🙏

[plain osprey]

I am the Definition of single guy asthetics lmao 🤣

[severe jolt]

stop motion animation tends to have a darker tone than straight-up cartoons
it's probably because of people like Ray Harryhausen, Phil Tippett, and Tim Burton

[steep mantle]

Guys, working on penances here - does enhanced target priority kills by teammates extend executioneer's stance or not? I am setting up build to do Be Methodical

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[ruby anvil]

what are some good builds for vet?

[tame lodge]

All of them

https://tenor.com/view/fist-of-the-north-star-hokuto-no-ken-hey-as-long-as-it-works-as-long-as-it-works-winging-it-gif-5037582307183355084

You can swap that 10 rending for bring it down

[ruby anvil]

damn I'll definitely use that

why not the krak grenade tho?

[hybrid plover]

Krak grenades are niche.

This build is specifically meant for using shredders to deal with mixed hordes.

[ruby anvil]

ahh

[tall torrent]

Which mode

[ruby anvil]

auric damnation, maelstrom, havoc

[tall torrent]

hybrid (havoc)

sniper boltgun (auric)

[ruby anvil]

hell yeah

ty

[tall torrent]

revolver (auric)

[ruby anvil]

is Infiltrate good at all?

wondering if it's worth anything outside of penances

[tall torrent]

u pay 2 points extra to not play VoC

[barren nimbus]

If you like being a bad teammate it’s good

[ruby anvil]

got it

[tall torrent]

exe stance has same point cost as VoC (u don't need subnodes)

infil is +2 from VoC usually

[hollow ibex]

infil's fun but just straight up worse than voc

(which is why i use it)

[turbid ibex]

the damage bonus modifier should just be part of the base ability

at the very least

[hollow ibex]

should get a 35 second cd too imo

[turbid ibex]

plus making the movement speed bonus linger for a bit after the stealth ends

[turbid ibex]

ehh tbf vet already has really fucking strong cdr with that one node i forgot the name of

[hollow ibex]

well there's no reason why infil should have longer cd than voc lmao

45s

[ruby anvil]

I'm only using infiltrate for penances tbh

[hollow ibex]

i'd prob remove the aggro reduction subnode, and lower cd to the 35s

[tall torrent]

it's fast

[turbid ibex]

but if that node gets nuked (which i think it should) im down for reducing its cooldown

[tall torrent]

vet only has 1 tedious penance

500 krak kills vs flak/carapace center mass enemies

easiest way to do it was Moebian 21st mutator in havoc

but it's not in rotation rn

[mortal aspen]

i played with it a bit, and it seems pretty good for comfy sniping

[hollow ibex]

the aggro reduction node?

yeah it's good

but if cd is buffed, that node would prob be too good

and really annoying for the team

[turbid ibex]

Oh right delete low profile too

You already have the node that gives you a big chunk of tdr when leaving stealth

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[steep flower]

Aggro reduction is the best subnode of the invis

[hollow ibex]

yea prob

[turbid ibex]

for fucking over the team maybe

[mortal aspen]

idk

[steep flower]

For allowing you to snipe specials in peace in the middle of the fight

[mortal aspen]

you're not supposed to tank as vet anyway, it's not like aren't already dropping aggro by using infiltrate

when you're just passively not getting aggro for 10s, I don't think it changes that much

[hollow ibex]

i think the node is just bad design tbh

[turbid ibex]

also again

[midnight wyvern]

It has its place, someone else may be better off taking the agro anyway, it's just skipping the step of them needing to take it

[turbid ibex]

you already have the modifier that gives you a ton of tdr after leaving stealth

[mortal aspen]

with no aggro you're free to snipe all the pesky specials in peace

[midnight wyvern]

Ye

[hollow ibex]

also if you're cluthing, the node does literally nothing

[midnight wyvern]

Infiltrate will though so big whoop

[turbid ibex]

tbh i think infiltrate should be primarily a tool for entering close range of enemies safely rather than leaving it

[narrow widget]

entirely different cuz you aren't getting targeted so you won't have to worry about getting hit at all

[mortal aspen]

i also thought that until I actually used it

enemies already enter close range with you

and you have giga mobility because it's darktide

[midnight wyvern]

It's 25% movement speed right?

[mortal aspen]

yeah

[midnight wyvern]

Nuts

[mortal aspen]

feels really good to carry batteries in infiltrate

almost like you're playing ogryn

super annoying that you have to infiltrate and then pick up, because otherwise you drop the battery

[midnight wyvern]

Yeah that should be changed imo

Shroudfield and infiltrate should just be able to activate when carrying things

[turbid ibex]

not ranged enemies though

or quite a few specialists

plus the right path of vet seems to be going for a more skirmisher type of playstyle so an ability that lets you get in safely makes snese

also im saying thats what i think the skill was supposed to be

[mortal aspen]

yeah, but the thing is, the enemies that are really far away you don't want to close in with, because then you're alone as a vet and your low profile probably doesn't work

and the close-mid range guys you can kill\reach pretty easily anyway without infiltrate

but yeah, I understand

I wonder if you can grab all the damage increase nodes and make some boss killer build with bolter

for VEG or Havoc

[turbid ibex]

probably

pretty likely would fall into "meme build" territory though

[tall torrent]

dmg juice for gun is almost always exe stance + MF/FT

[turbid ibex]

should just be part of the base ability

and prob extend the duration

[midnight wyvern]

yeah from the cooldown of the ability

it should probably be like 10s

especially since the damage buff on something like EO, capable of getting up to 50% damage

goes for 10s

eo

lol

castigators

[turbid ibex]

scrier's gaze too

[midnight wyvern]

that too

[turbid ibex]

the lingering buff lasts for 10s

also ngl

the more i think about scrier

the more i think its like

[mortal aspen]

up to 20

[turbid ibex]

the coolest ability in the entire fucking game

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[midnight wyvern]

true

[turbid ibex]

ye cause its a lingering buff

[mortal aspen]

who is Scryer and why does he have gays?

[midnight wyvern]

scriers geese

[turbid ibex]

ngl i kinda wish exestance was more like scrier's

with it giving buffs that ramp up with how long the ability lasts and they linger for some time after the ability ends

i think that would make it way more fun to use

[turbid ibex]

something like that

idk

just something to let it ramp up over its duration and have it continue as a lingering buff after

would also open up some options for actually interesting modifiers

[spice shard]

i mean that'd basically make it a better scriers

god knows we dont need that on arby

[turbid ibex]

not on castigator

on exestance

[spice shard]

ah

yeah it'd be decent
would just be gunpsyker without peril though

[turbid ibex]

not necessarily

also scrier gives you a big crit chance buff and theres stuff like warp rider that turns peril into an upside

i think theres plenty of room to make the two very distinct

[mortal aspen]

what about

[turbid ibex]

no

[mortal aspen]

5% TDR per elite\special kill, 10 stacks, lingers for 10s

[turbid ibex]

could be a cool idea for a modifier

[midnight wyvern]

yooo

hell yes

because its kinda the only thing its lacking

outside of CC

make it more tanky for doing your job

kinda nuts in the right situation too, because you can keep exe stance up for a pretty long time if there is enough targets lol

[turbid ibex]

also gives it some sauce cause now you feel much more rewarded for it outside of just "the ability lasts longer"

[midnight wyvern]

Yeah

It doesn't really feel like I needs damage

So the tankiness would be very nice

It won't get CC and probably shouldn't

So I hope they go that way

[turbid ibex]

oh and it also needs some actually cool modifiers

[midnight wyvern]

Would maybe let you peak gunners and shooters for more than a microsecond in havoc

[turbid ibex]

cause the current ones are like

💤

[midnight wyvern]

So you can kill some stuff without requiring a bubble

Yeah

Marking different stuff is eepy

Taking a node for each

Just make it mark everything for you and have a node for doing increased damage to marked targets and one for sharing to allies

Maybe one that marks ogryns/bosses as a seperate one but only if it's deemed too powerful to be free lol

[turbid ibex]

it would prob be too powerful in combination with the node that gives you a damage bonus to them passively

[red portal]

@steep flower just notify me if a slot opens up

[steep flower]

sure

[fast sundial]

how can it be a better scrier's if it does not affect melee

[spice shard]

see above

[fast sundial]

[crimson wyvern]

idk who posted it the other day but just realized we have actual just straight up baseball cap in 40k

[steep flower]

how are you now?

[tame lodge]

There's a loyalist 21st wearing a cap and a gasmask

I want that one

[ocean idol]

Does heavy recon apply inferno stacks on all targets it pierces?

[hybrid plover]

Yes. As long as something is getting hit by a crit, it procs.

[faint beacon]

There's like 3 Recolors iirc

[candid harness]

Who needs vets when you can just have two ogryns

[sudden cedar]

Who needs a Veteran anyway?

[steep flower]

No Vet = No Loss

[sudden cedar]

No Chorus, no Shout.

[steep flower]

No Bubble

[sudden cedar]

No Bubble either.

[midnight wyvern]

grom getting carried

[spark rock]

Oh 100% I was

[midnight wyvern]

big strong ogryn hands on this man

[tropic notch]

This is so cool can we nerf vet

[sudden cedar]

Veteran is clearly still way too powerful.

[hollow ibex]

vet shouldn't have stamina regen

[candid harness]

Age them up so they gas out after the first sprint

[sudden cedar]

Nah you can't do that, how would he carry all the ammo he somehow scavenges from the dead bodies?

[midnight wyvern]

ogryn got a backpack

[steep flower]

Like a homeless man

[midnight wyvern]

might as well use it

[sudden cedar]

A homeless man who lost his dog?

[candid harness]

We had no arby

[steep flower]

F2P Arby

so dogshit

[sudden cedar]

So, no Nuncio Aquila either.

[steep flower]

Arby is P2W confirmed

[spark rock]

No space for ammo, full of rations

[midnight wyvern]

true

[sudden cedar]

The backpack is used to carry the invisible veteran.

[midnight wyvern]

I made sure to get the ration pack

[steep flower]

Veteran plushie

[midnight wyvern]

I think its in the current ogryn shop lol

[void dragon]

Emotional support sah

[turbid ibex]

you press the plushie and it does a shout voiceline

[void dragon]

Motivational speech with each hug, 146% Emphrur approved (do not apply full force to your Sah, may cause permanent damage if done by an ogryn)

[turbid ibex]

"i am feeling pretty sad Sah, what should i do?"
presses plushie
"CLOSE, KILL, AND DO IT AGAIN"
"understood Sah!"

[void dragon]

(Vox static) In other news: an inquisition squad has cleansed the inmediations of the carnival from Heretical acts, the auxiliary ogryn that performed along the officers of the holly Lex was condecorated with honours in its acts against the unfaithful, all he declared as he holded what it seemes like a real life size plush of an officer was, quote: "Sah said I must do it, so Ogryn do". The devotion and performance of such creatures is worth the blessing of the Em__ror oF Ma(Static Vox noices)

[narrow widget]

emotional sahpport

[wraith lion]

Is it viable to use the Hellbore bayonet as your primary melee as a veteran

[slow spade]

not anymore sadly

[wraith lion]

damn just as I'm getting into veteran

[tall torrent]

You’re almost 2y late to that

[normal bay]

It has good damage but you can't block or push, which isn't ideal

[ruby anvil]

what're the best weapons for vet?

[void dragon]

Psword, knife, taxe, R.lasgun, DBshotgun,Bolter, Helbore, good old broken plasma and Evil toothpick (aka dueling sword) and of course: his lungs

[tall torrent]

Power sword VI
Combat axe III
Duelling sword II / IV / V
Combat blade VI
Tactical axe VII
Heavy sword IX

Revolver IIa
Recon lasgun VIc / XII
Infantry autogun V
Plasma gun
Helbore lasgun IIIa / IV
DB shotgun
Boltgun
Boltpistol
Combat shotgun VII

[midnight wyvern]

vet got pretty versatile weapons

and can spec hard into things if you try

I think speccing fully into melee is probably the thing it struggles with the most lol

[ruby anvil]

yeah I'm just tryna figure out what weapons I enjoy the most

plasma is fun but is feels really clunky

[tall torrent]

no?

10% melee dmg + agile engagement + reciprocity + desperado + trench fighter + weapon specialist

[midnight wyvern]

compare it to every other tree, it has far less options for melee in its talents, they're good options

but they're not right side psyker, arbites, left side ogryn, or circles entire zealot tree zealot

[tall torrent]

right side psyker has less

wat are u talking about

[midnight wyvern]

DD and scriers work great with it lol

[tall torrent]

they're not "melee spec"

they're quite generalist

if anything they're a lot more ranged benefit than they're melee

inf auto V scales dps significantly better than every psyker melee with those 2

psyker has ONE pure melee dmg boost node and it's charged strike (which is a cool concept executed horribly)

[tame lodge]

Heh charged Strike mentioned

[plain osprey]

Me is bored. Anyone wanna go play with me, lets say; in 30 minutes?

[plain osprey]

Completley unrelated, i love your Profile picture. The manul is my favorite feline.

"The body is round"

[ocean idol]

Melee psyker is such a cope

[plain osprey]

We finally agree on something

🍾 🥂

[ocean idol]

why these messagfes have to spam my feed

[tame lodge]

Download the scoreboard fix with the hot lady on it

[void dragon]

Melee psyker is a declaration, it means that I am good at melee combat and can outgun the Arby while we are at it

Seriously, I have seen so many psykers that need a personal ogryn bodyguard to stay alive, meleeker is a rare art

[hollow ibex]

psyker mains inherently have a -10 to their melee skill

[sudden cedar]

Even with the dueling sword

[ocean idol]

your mom has -10 to melee skill > : (

[hollow ibex]

she's in her 60s and retired, so prob yes

[void dragon]

Mom needs no melee skills, because unlike all rejects when she does get a goodest boy ogryn protecting her she makes it easier

[solar valve]

I love melee psyker

[void dragon]

Can do more damage than a zealot EASY but has glassjaw, that's the Sparkhead way

[solar valve]

doing more damage than zealot isnt hard

tbf

[solid surge]

Ninja Veteran is a very interesting way to play

[void dragon]

Ninja veteran? Are we speaking of perpetual smoker veteran, either sniper or qcq, or infiltration maxing your explosive potential with frags and a bolter to channel your inner Fuma clan?

(Come to think about it, smoke vet could count as an Iga clan ninja)

[solid surge]

Infil vet + knife

• shrapnel nades + bleed + bolter pistol

So yeah infil-maxxing

[void dragon]

I like that with bolter more, Bistol works but I want a bigger broomstick that can punch through caparace,

[solid surge]

True, I primarily use it to build even more bleed

[void dragon]

Iirc you can build bleed with the bolter too, it just needs rhythm to pull it when frags are blowing and doesn't have the increased radius from Bistol

[turbid ibex]

bistol also has the advantage of increasing the aoe size of the nades

ye

[solid surge]

Oh yeah that too

So I throw 1 nade, half the map starts bleeding to death

And then I run demo team and the other nade perk so I am constantly regening nades, + 1 more nade slot

[void dragon]

Nade-maxxing 101

[solid surge]

Combined with infiltratemaxxing

[void dragon]

Honestly imo frag vet is the right way to infil-maxing

[solid surge]

Run in, drop 2 frags on a horde of maulers, crushers, and ragers, stab the gunners in the head, run back to my team all while no enemy aggros me

Peak gameplay

I think I also have something that puts brittleness on the enemies, but I might be misremembering

So carapace is much less of a problem than anticipated

Plus if something is still standing, just throw another nade

[void dragon]

Stabs from knife to head give rending, there is a bolter blessing that gives brittleness, which both makes good synergy with bleed from frags

[solid surge]

I think that’s what I’m ultimately running on Vetjutsu

Plus melee gives 2+ stacks of bleeding perk

Lots of bloody

Lots of boom

Lots of brittle

Idk how I came up with it, as in I didn’t watch any sort of videos, I went “huh, that’s pretty neat”

Except for the increase in aoe of the Bistol

And ngl the large duration on Infiltrate makes it go insane

Plus the -90% reduction in threat

Makes for a good rez and obj build as well

[turbid ibex]

it does mean all the enemy aggro will be focused on 3 people instead of 4 for a really long time

[solid surge]

That’s fair

[turbid ibex]

and threat reduction does nothing if youre clutching

[solid surge]

That’s why I usually run ahead and weaken the hell out of the enemy

Like a sorta recon

[turbid ibex]

idk if i was choosing an ability to help me with revives and objectives i'd just go shout like always

the stagger+gold toughness already help a lot with those

except when youre having to carry heavy objects from point a to b

[solid surge]

It’s very “selfish” that’s for sure

But in my experience it’s helped more than it’s hurt

Shout in general is just very powerful

[turbid ibex]

ye

[sudden cedar]

Very powerful, but not necessary.

[solid surge]

There’s very few, if any, situations where the shout isn’t peak, but I think getting behind enemy lines and wracking them all with bleed and brittleness and being able to get back to the team in time is just super useful

And it’s always to run around super fast

Good way to evade damage altogether

And just always having replenishing grenades so enemies are always bleeding

[sudden cedar]

Havoc 40. No Shout, no Book, amongst other things.

Not even a Veteran.

[void dragon]

Drawing aggro, stealthing and laying a carpet of frags as you turn to gun the bulwark conga that is stepping on your trap is fun, not to mention that negates your aggro drop because you are cc'ing a lot of enemies in the process of killing

[tall torrent]

-15 melee proficiency
-15 aim proficiency

[tall torrent]

no, u can play around it

threat reduction is not threat ignore

[turbid ibex]

how exactly does it work then?

[tall torrent]

threat reduction just means enemies target someone else if they can, if they were to target you

however, dealing damage to that enemy can cause them to target you instead

[turbid ibex]

its still more or less doing what i said from what im understanding then

enemies will be much more likely to ignore you and aggro to your teammates

[tall torrent]

just do damage against a lot of enemies

[turbid ibex]

not guaranteed but still likely

[tall torrent]

ex: grenade, DB shotgun

[turbid ibex]

but then why even take that modifier?

i feel like im missing something

if you take low profile youre trying to avoid being attacked after leaving stealth, so drawing aggro by damaging enemies after just seems like it defeats the whole point of it

[tall torrent]

just saying, u can play around it

[turbid ibex]

im not saying you cant

just asking whats the point of taking low profile if youre going to be deliberately drawing aggro again

[solid surge]

I see it as getting within range of weakening a mass of enemies before a full engagement begins

So aggro will return, but not before they are all mostly dead from bleeding out

And then you can just turn and run with the buff to movement speed and suppression

[tall torrent]

it works by default to reduce threat so u can dive backline
this doesn't mean that ur completely untargetable and by dealing damage (usually from diving priority enemies) u take their aggro away from ur team until those enemies are dead

[turbid ibex]

ig

i just dont really see how low profile specifically contributes here

[solid surge]

It just gives more time to either get back to the team or weaken the enemies further

Cuz there’s the damage in stealth you can do, then the enemies practically forget about you once you leave stealth, then do more damage

[turbid ibex]

doesnt dealing damage break stealth?

[solid surge]

I forget if throwing a grenade causes you to leave stealth

[tall torrent]

underhand grenades don't break stealth

and stealth has a grace period where it cannot break

[turbid ibex]

but once they detonate and deal damage they do break stealth right?

[tall torrent]

no

[turbid ibex]

huh

weird

[mortal aspen]

i noticed some delay before you could break stealth

maybe a second of leeway where you can attack after pressing stealth and it won't break

[tall torrent]

0.5s stealth grace

it's there as a form of lag compensation

[turbid ibex]

so as long as you do underhanded throws you can just spam your grenades?

[tall torrent]

yea

[turbid ibex]

that feels like a pretty big oversight

[tall torrent]

it's not

you gotta stop speculating based on ur own assumptions

[turbid ibex]

i just said it feels like one

[tall torrent]

yea, you gotta stop speculating based on ur own assumptions

[turbid ibex]

huh

tbh i knew the underhand throw itself didnt break stealth

[hollow ibex]

true, unless VS user

[tall torrent]

-25 aim proficiency

[turbid ibex]

but the fact the explosions also dont break stealth was news to me

[solid surge]

So ye, stealth to throw a ton of nades into the enemies, give the chunky ones a few good weak spot stabs, nade some more, run away

[void dragon]

Psyker with assail or staff, I have no such weaknesses

Because auto aim

[solid surge]

I say as I throw a shard directly into a barrel to my extreme left

[tall torrent]

no no wat I said was
psykers that play staves have innate -15 aim proficiency to them
psykers that play voidstrike have innate -25 aim proficiency to them

which is why they play the weapons that don't need to aim as much

[turbid ibex]

also how exactly are you certain that grenade explosions not breaking stealth wasnt an oversight and is actually intentional?

[void dragon]

How much aim proficiency the madlads that use gunkers have?

[tall torrent]

it's been how it's worked since infil was added to the game
if it was an oversight it would have been addressed the last time they buffed infil
u also have zero evidence to say that it is an oversight

[mortal aspen]

if it was an oversight it would have been addressed the last time they buffed infil
it's fatshark

[tall torrent]

this is not a "uh surely it shouldn't work this way" case

[mortal aspen]

no it wouldn't have been

[tall torrent]

this is not hotshot

or lethal proximity

or puncture

[tall torrent]

~equal as vet
less than range spec vet

[void dragon]

So inferior to Hstubber ogryn?

[tall torrent]

that gun is rly more rng than aim lol

[void dragon]

The dakka way

[mortal aspen]

ok, but why then does it work like that?
what makes underhanded throw different?

if it is intentional then I don't understand the intent

[turbid ibex]

the underhand throw itself not breaking stealth is neat i do like that

[tall torrent]

it's literally how the ability works in the code and how it is designed idk what "oversight" there is

[turbid ibex]

what puzzles me is that the explosion doesnt break your stealth

[void dragon]

Underhand is low reach, so you can plant the bomb in B

[tall torrent]

pretty sure they're going for a "stealth saboteur" vibe with this

[solid surge]

https://tenor.com/view/cs2-travolta-travolta-cs2-cs2-travolta-counter-strike-travolta-gif-5462051653328209016

They probably considered that since there are so many grenade-buffing perks for veteran

[turbid ibex]

i think its supposed to be more of a skirmisher thing like what the rest of the tree seems to suggest

[mortal aspen]

#givevetshockmines

[solid surge]

It would be obnoxious if the nades broke stealth with how useful the nades are to the class

Then there’d probably be no reason to pick infiltrate at all

[tall torrent]

there already is barely any

[turbid ibex]

ye true

[solid surge]

#givevetfragbomb

[solid surge]

Exactly

[tall torrent]

Pay 2 extra points to not play VoC is just a horrible deal

[solid surge]

It’s kinda based tho

[tall torrent]

Even if u actually want to play infil it’s horrible to build

[turbid ibex]

im hoping vet rework will make infiltrate more fun to use for that skirmisher playstyle the right path on his tree seems to be going for

[solid surge]

Vet rework 2027

[tall torrent]

Right branch is code named commando

Sharpshooter
Squad leader
Commando

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-let-off-some-steam-bennett-daylon-gif-11797335

[solid surge]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-gif-13246854

[turbid ibex]

i wish those names where visible in-game somehwere

what are the names for the other classes btw?

[tall torrent]

Preacher
Banisher
Death cult assassin

[turbid ibex]

thats

an interesting name

[tall torrent]

Psykinetic
Protectorate
Gunslinger

Skullbreaker
Bullgryn
Gunlugger

[turbid ibex]

wait preacher is left path and banisher is middle?

[tall torrent]

Investigator
Exterminator
Subjugator

[tall torrent]

yea

[turbid ibex]

huh

i wouldve thought itd be the other way around

[void dragon]

Still feel that they need to remake that middle keystone of psyker, the perk tree does fine minus some needed fixes but middle really doesn't feel like it has a clear theme

[turbid ibex]

middle path is more of an defensive/supportive role

and considering the blitz on that path is more cc oriented i think it makes sense the middle keystone buffs blitzes

[tall torrent]

nerf psyker first

[void dragon]

Does it? EP just amps the blitz, which in most cases is just damage, would want to see explosive chunks of assail that knocks enemies down or a brain burst that on kill slows enemies in an area, also smite rework, but that's a long time wish of me

[turbid ibex]

im not disagreeing that it could use some changes

[void dragon]

No, make it cooler by making EP more mechanical than "random damage boost"

[tall torrent]

after nerf to psyker

[void dragon]

(this also includes reworking smite)

[turbid ibex]

more like rework to psyker

[tall torrent]

it's more nerf than buff

[void dragon]

No, if we can have the atrocities against balance that ogryn and Pay2Vet are, we can have cooler psyker

Is not even asking to be stronger

Just cooler

[tall torrent]

that's peril system overhaul

which requires psyker nerfs to be executable

[turbid ibex]

and tree overhaul

[void dragon]

Are we making the peril more crazy and explosive on your take? Are we becoming a DH on peril death?

[turbid ibex]

also what stuff exactly requires nerfs

[tall torrent]

low vs high peril give different benefits that benefit different playstyles

[tall torrent]

1. soulblaze's ability to scale DPS indefinitely into density thanks to talents & blessings
2. psyker's weapons that straight up don't interact with cleave therefore further nullifying density
3. psykinetic's aura being the strongest CDR talent in the game, and psyker having busted CDR in general
4. psyker's direct dmg scaling is ludicrous for how many buffs u have (u quite literally can spawn in with 22.5% base crit chance on a finesse class)
5. smite

bonus: there is almost ZERO incentive to be at low peril so the peril mechanic itself is quite boring in application

[void dragon]

Mind fortress Vs One with the warp perk rework, I like the idea.
Also more staffs and new special plz

[turbid ibex]

i think its good that theres almost no incentive to stay at low peril cause it means you have to actually engage with the core mechanic of the class

but more ways and incentives to interact with the mechanic would very much be welcome

[void dragon]

Peril almost works like the psyker ammo in current implementation

You can get more damage on higher peril, but you can go boom

[turbid ibex]

other than just "you get buffs for being at high peril"

[tall torrent]

Higher peril = better cleave = kill horde better = BCOB works better = lower peril

wow very peak design fatshark

[void dragon]

I kinda like it because I can use regularly Warp Slash in FGS to stagger a horde in melee combat

It's not ideal and wants you to swap to staff, but is not terrible

[turbid ibex]

if youre going to incentivize a "safer" playstyle on psyker i dont think giving buffs for not interacting with the core mechanic would be the way to go

[void dragon]

Make peril edging the meta, you either be on 90-99% all time or DIE

[tall torrent]

it's a much better approach than "I edge 24/7 to the goon god" peril system that psyker has currently

[turbid ibex]

yeah im not saying the current version is perfect

[void dragon]

That feels like a taste perspective mate Path, I can see the appeal to encourage the players to really gamble with peril, the risks of the warp for power and whatnot

[turbid ibex]

its more so that this is pretty much the only way to engage with peril currently

[tall torrent]

#psyker-class message

I wrote this last time I had a discussion abt it

basically new talents to facilitate stable/unstable schools

it's a pretty basic draft

[turbid ibex]

again i do agree more ways to engage with peril as a mechanic would be really good for the class

but i dont think tying those buffs necessarily to staying at low peril is the way to go

since it would end up disincentivising those builds from even using peril which is the whole point of the class

[cosmic monolith]

well i wouldnt say peril is the whole point but i get what you mean, i just play it for the force swords

[void dragon]

It does sound interesting to have paths that are keeping you safe from warp (with perks that keep you safe but generate peril to make you manage it to be lower for buffs) or embracing it for more damage

[void dragon]

Maybe the key is making any defensive aspects of the payker be tied to peril, so you generate peril when protecting yourself but it puts you out of the buffs that make you not a glasscannon

[cosmic monolith]

almost sounds like a completely different class a psyker that doesnt explode

[turbid ibex]

tbh i think a better way to execute a "stable" psyker idea would be to make those bonuses tied to quelling peril instead of being at low peril

[void dragon]

This would include melee prowess

[tall torrent]

Also doable

[cosmic monolith]

a santic psyker route?

[tall torrent]

And yea prob better for quell instead of lower peril

[turbid ibex]

that way youre still incentivising players to actively engage with the mechanic

[void dragon]

I feel that's what Path wants, a brand new type of payker for a modern age

[tall torrent]

Stable would be middle/right
Unstable would be left

[turbid ibex]

but instead of constantly being at high peril you have to actively manage your peril levels

[turbid ibex]

i think it fits more the other way around

with unstable being right path

[tall torrent]

lol nah

[void dragon]

Keeping it at 40-60% makes your gun do more damage and increases your thougness DR

[cosmic monolith]

make it more of a buffer as well since its giving off heavy paladin vibs

[turbid ibex]

considering how the other trees are structured as well

[turbid ibex]

how not?

[tall torrent]

You’d remove a bunch of key dps talents from staff build

If all the unstable talents are on the right

[void dragon]

That could be the new EP

[turbid ibex]

not necessarily?

i mean we are assuming full tree rework

like what ogryn got

[tall torrent]

Why do u want unstable to be on the side that has lowest peril usually

[turbid ibex]

so they could still change stuff around

[void dragon]

Left side is still aimed to be staff, and that will generate lots of peril and will want to have buffs from it, right side is all about guns, where generating peril is harder, because gun

[turbid ibex]

i imagine if unstable got changed to be more on the right path that would end up changing around

idk left path being the one that is actively doing peril management with quelling and stuff and right path being the "fuck it we ball" gun/meleeker high peril glass cannon makes more sense to me

[faint beacon]

I honestly am of the reasoning that if it’s on the side of Scriers it should reward for lower peril management

That’s just me

[turbid ibex]

yeah

[cosmic monolith]

yeah im with gale on this one, skriers is all about keeping peril down

[turbid ibex]

i mean

[cosmic monolith]

it shouldnt reward dmg though

or give

[turbid ibex]

skriers straight up has you constantly building up peril

[void dragon]

Gaze buffs lasting only as long as you are in the mode would REALLY encounter you to find ways to not generate excessive peril, currently it's easy to let it run rampant and benefit from the lingering buffs

It would also make it very bad tho

[faint beacon]

Crack of Bone enables the max stacks but managing a lower power pretty effectively

[turbid ibex]

yes

so please dont

[faint beacon]

Current right side enables some really fucking dumb builds anyways

Top scoring with a Parry focused DC lmao

[turbid ibex]

also if you look at the other classes with their trees you can sort of see a common theme with them

usually left side is kind of the "standard" version of the class that is the simplest/most straightforward to play and what most people would assume is how the class plays (ranged weapons with a focus on precision shooting and taking out priority targets on vet, melee zealot/ogryn (with ogryn having a lot more focus on heavy attacks and sheer raw damage over weakspots/crits), and arbites having plenty of anti-specialist/elite stuff and bonuses for the dog)

and i feel like left path on psyker being more about actively managing your peril levels fits that better

[void dragon]

Is the default of the psyker experience the peril control? I feel most of the people will lean into "MORE PERIL FOR THE FURNACE!"

[cosmic monolith]

also default is shreik which wants more peril for dmg

[turbid ibex]

it wants you to reach high peril yes

[mortal aspen]

Bubble is the default for harder content

[sudden cedar]

Bubble is a crutch.

[mortal aspen]

other than that peril edging is how you play for damage

[cosmic monolith]

very true

[turbid ibex]

but it also instantly quells a ton of peril

like i think that should be the key difference between the two paths

they both want to reach high peril

but they benefit from it differently

left path gaining bonuses from quelling peril and right path wanting to stay at high peril

[void dragon]

Left path is to let you staff more

Which is controlled by ammo in the form of peril

Also some blessings boost the staff damage when in high peril

[turbid ibex]

and that means you also have reasons to use staffs in right path builds

which means more variety and flexibility

[void dragon]

Or current left vent paths because I can staff more

[turbid ibex]

yes

so more possibilities, option, and stuff to consider when choosing your loadouts

[void dragon]

I feel that I have at least one scrier staff build, is super meme, but it works

[cosmic monolith]

thats backwards logic, skriers (the right ability) doesnt reward high peril and goes as far as to punish it by ending your ramping up period for damage. only by taking things on the left can you off set this by making your cd lower than the linger period, furthermore things on the left that interact with peril either lower it like bcob or tts, or are negativly impacted like kinetic deflection which stops working at high peril. on the right and middle is where high peril is rewarded by giving dmg with warp rider (middle) shriek (left more dmg more peril) One with warp (higher peril higher tdr and on left again) right is clearly more about keeping peril low to utilise it while right rewards having high peril

[narrow frost]

Gaze is only for crit and warp unbound

its meant for high peril

but I do see your logic

cant ramp up damage if you stop gaze short

[turbid ibex]

yeah scrier doesnt punish high peril

[narrow frost]

but thats not how gaze should be used in practice

it should be spammed

[turbid ibex]

it punishes hitting 100% peril

[void dragon]

Gaze finesse damage is cut short if you don't keep it's time up with some other tools

[cosmic monolith]

yeah with like i said abilities on the left side of the tree that lower the cd otherwise its not spamable

[void dragon]

No, it should be sustained, to have more crits and chain gaze activations

[narrow frost]

its the shortest cooldown ability

15 seconds with warp unbound

[turbid ibex]

25s cooldown with 10s lingering is pretty spammable

and again i think both paths should reward high peril

the difference being left path would quell it for bonuses while right path stays at high peril for it

[narrow frost]

but at the end of the day all builds rewards high peril

no matter what side

warp nexus scaling crit chance, one with the warp scaling DR, the cleaving with peril, and warp rider

[void dragon]

The design of ObeseFish is to make psykers want to have high peril for damage but wish to lower it for uptime in weapon attacks

[turbid ibex]

i mean the game should incentivise you to actively engage with the central mechanic of the class

[narrow frost]

they goofed up peril in DT compared to VT

DT its so free to get all the buffs

[void dragon]

If we want staff improvements, the perks that are on the left side, equivalent to the melee attack speed ones from right, should be reworked

[narrow frost]

when you are a good psyker its not even a thought to manage peril

and its so much buffs

[turbid ibex]

but having more ways to be rewarded from it than only from staying at high peril would be more fun

[void dragon]

What I'm hearing is that you want to peril edging more dangerous, is that the case?

[narrow frost]

always be atleast above 60

80 is the sweetspot

every staff and blitz can be used at 80 and its where most buffs soft cap is

[void dragon]

So break the progression of the buffs so the lower values happen around 60%?

[tropic notch]

Tbh I believe voidblast works best with gaze

It’s pretty amazing

[narrow frost]

most of the buffs are half at 60% and for most people 60% peril is safe for them

[void dragon]

Yeah, but what if only the weaker value is gained at that peril, and around 90 is the max, so if you don't manage peril you can drop your buffs more easily, encouraging you to be at higher

[void dragon]

Agreed, that style do feels nice with that staff

[sonic marlin]

someone show me perfect rashad i forgor what goes on it

[faint beacon]

I’m very much of the strong belief psyker should be dead last for a rework cause they literally had one last year

Their class is pretty comfortable in its current state

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-the-office-slams-table-frustrated-yes-gif-7764890

[faint beacon]

Zealot is due for it

And then obviously Vet afterwards

[turbid ibex]

ye i agree

zealot and vet are much more in need of reworks than psyker currently

but i do think psyker should 100% get a rework after those two

[hollow ibex]

arbi rework comes after zealot and vet rework

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

[turbid ibex]

arb just needs some numbers lowered

[hybrid plover]

Agreed. I like that Arby's tree is as cohesive as it is.

It just needs a number dumb down.

[void dragon]

Agree, at most making the staffs have some new gimmicks could give new life the the class, currently the Veteran and zealot need the rework more

[faint beacon]

That’s really all psyker needs at the moment is just weapons

[turbid ibex]

regardless of how op arb and ogryn may be in their current states, the fact is the structure of their trees is leagues better than the other tree classes

there could be some improvements sure but at that point calling them reworks would be innacurate

[solid surge]

Arby’s buff time

All buffs set to 100% and cooldowns to 1s

And gets an ogryn sized shovel weapon

[void dragon]

Arby with poop scooper Thammer

[solid surge]

Arby with a lascannon

Arby gets a perk where he transforms into an Astarte for an hour

[hybrid plover]

Oh. Yeah.

I guess that's one thing.

Malocator should be obliterated or at least severely nerfed tbh

[turbid ibex]

thats the cdr modifier on order right

[hybrid plover]

Having that kind of CDR with Castigator's stance is just absurd

Yes.

[turbid ibex]

tbh i think the majority of cdr in this game should get nuked

[solid surge]

What we talkin about

[turbid ibex]

cooldown reduction modifier on execution order

[hybrid plover]

I think we're at a point where that's not exactly a viable option anymore unless they did some real reworking on the ai director.

[solid surge]

Oh lmao

[turbid ibex]

it would come with adjustments to the abilities themselves

[solid surge]

It’s unbelievably cracked

[turbid ibex]

but i think cdr that is available regardless of ability chosen should be extremely rare

like castigator wouldnt be nearly as problematic if it wasnt so spammable thanks to malocator+3 cdr curios+psyker on your team

[tall torrent]

Right side is far less peril than left

Hence right should be the stable side

Left unstable

[turbid ibex]

in its current state yes

but considering the blitzes, abilities and keytones on each path i think the other way around makes more sense

[tall torrent]

??

you're not making a lick of sense

[turbid ibex]

-shriek quells a bunch of peril at once and its effects scale with how much peril was quelled, scrier builds up a lot of peril for huge damage buffs as long as you dont hit 100% peril

[tall torrent]

because playing melee/gun doesn't generate a lot of peril therefore scrier is one of the few ways u can access bonuses from being at high peril

whereas left is overwhelmingly staff use which inherently generates a lot of peril

[turbid ibex]

again its not about peril generation

[tall torrent]

right side also literally has a talent that quells peril for you from being in melee

[turbid ibex]

thats not the distinction im going for

[tall torrent]

and then u say "actually the unstable stuff should be on the side that deals with peril far less"

u also agreed with gale who says the same thing I did

so idek wat ur on abt

[hybrid plover]

there is one goofy means of ranged actually causing peril that isn't assail

on the right side

[turbid ibex]

i think i misunderstood what they meant then

[hybrid plover]

double barrel with surety of arms can get you to high peril pretty quickly lol

just say goodbye to ur ammo

[turbid ibex]

i think right side could use some more nodes like it

which give you other ways of building up peril with stuff that normally wouldnt make you gain it

[turbid ibex]

i think both sides should have to deal with peril but in different ways

one side rewarding you for quelling peril and the other rewarding you for staying at high peril

[tall torrent]

Left build (unstable)
Right quell (stable)

[turbid ibex]

the thing is that youre building peril on both of them

you cant quell peril if you dont generate it