veteran-class

[tame lodge]

Literally helbore

[frail citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/attention-megaphone-golden-girls-can-you-hear-me-listen-gif-22346452

[narrow widget]

recon exists

[steep flower]

those are not the same

[tame lodge]

Just shoot everything

[narrow widget]

simply hold down lmb

[mortal aspen]

I have a sneaking suspicion bro doesn't like melee combat

[frail citrus]

thoughts on recon Mk VIc?

[tired cargo]

and not weapon specific because I hate that whole shit the same way some people bring up the plasma gun like everyone runs around with the plasma gun even though I've never touched it

[tame lodge]

It just so happens that both weapons can have infinite ammo and kills everything

[frail citrus]

i want to use it more but can’t help but enjoy XIV more

[hollow ibex]

the sweat's choice of recon

[frail citrus]

you don’t have to use plasma gun

[narrow widget]

also pure ranged Arby's lowk runs out of ammo too quickly and thus does not work

[tired cargo]

and I don't have to use and don't always use the recon either

[frail citrus]

i thought that’d be XII?

[atomic void]

and vet is not supposed to be range specialist, we already told you vet is the genrealist who's only getting outshined due to broken trees on new classes

[turbid ibex]

i think infiltrate should try to focus more on being an ability to get in close range of the enemies safely

[hollow ibex]

XII is the opposite, it's the newb's first choice lol

[turbid ibex]

rather than a disengaging tool

[narrow widget]

I think infiltrate should have even more subnodes

4 is not enough

[tired cargo]

how much fucking god is it so hard for you guys to agree that The Veteran is fucking shite? and then talk about how they can improve it???

[narrow widget]

give me 6

[hollow ibex]

haha laser goes brrrrrt

[frail citrus]

i think there are a lot of good ranged choices for vet, but it’s important to remember that vet has an incredible melee arsenal as well. if you wanted more of a laid back ranged only you should try a helbore build

rp as krieg

[tame lodge]

It's not shit

[narrow widget]

he's not shit vro ur delusional

[tame lodge]

The balance of the class is so borked

[mortal aspen]

it's not shite
they should improve him by buffing his numbers and making the tree nodes more accessible

that's all

[tame lodge]

That vet is broken as fuck

[spark helm]

The entire lasgun builds in this game? The entirety of boltpistol and revolver? Every single person that hasn't taken the recon lasgun or plasma gun out of the back of their throats?

Anyone that has a sick relationship with infantry autoguns to know what CIAG means? Every exestance build designed for drilling bosses down?

I'm not really like mad, I'm just confused about a lot of things that don't seem to be coming from a place of awareness and just rolling with a very reassured head nod.

[atomic void]

imma be honest this game should not have a single class that only does ranged dmg if u dont like melee just play killing floor

[hollow ibex]

nah vet's shit

that's why i main vet

[tame lodge]

And there's still classes that are broken

[mortal aspen]

#nerfvet

[narrow widget]

tax that man more

[tired cargo]

I actually recently tried to play the helbore for the first time after two years of not touching it and I feel like they have really improved it but I'm also playing a skin on it which actually gives it iron Sights so it's really good

[narrow widget]

nerf survivalist again

[frail citrus]

arb only just recently got fixed after, what a good month?

with EO being broken

literally unplayable

[tame lodge]

Not broken (bad)

Broken (good)

[steep flower]

its time for your meds to be ingested my child; and then go to sleep

[turbid ibex]

im gonna be honest thats actually one thing i really like about infiltrate is the amount of subnode options it gives (most of them are still pretty bad though)

[mortal aspen]

I want to play all subnodes Infiltrate build, good for H40?

[tame lodge]

Vet has good melee
Generates ammo
Generates grenades
Good ranged
Good breakpoints all around

If that's not broken

💀

[frail citrus]

then maybe helbore is for you, i spent my first 150 lvls in vet playing helbore power sword/shovel so if thats your thing then play it

but like recon way better

[narrow widget]

YO TAKE MY SQUIGGLE

[turbid ibex]

also yeah if any class should be the generalist, vet is 100% the best one for that

[frail citrus]

high key whenever someone starts playing this game i recommend them vet

it’s very easy to understand

[narrow widget]

yea cuz he's the definitive John dark tide

[frail citrus]

and eases you into a lot of the game mechanics

[turbid ibex]

i do think they should lean a bit more into ranged but melee should still be a very solid option on him

[frail citrus]

agreed

and it is

[tame lodge]

Lmfao watching the video

[narrow widget]

what video

[tame lodge]

"Veteran ranged prowess is matched by other classes"

Ah yes

The ranged zealot

[turbid ibex]

the astra militarum is fucking immense and has so many different branches that making vet the most flexible class makes sense

[frail citrus]

“ranged zealot” and it’s revo

[tired cargo]

I tried to play recently a lot of what you actually described here and it does function but it only functions to the extent that you can kill things

but you don't gain enough toughness for when something gets close and massage you from behind

many of the other range subclasses on the other classes gives them enough toughness so you can always kill with the Range without having to switch to gain toughness faster through melee kills and that's a huge issue in my opinion.

that in a lot of the stuff you have to described yeah it worked and I loved playing a lot of what you have written

but I would always die because slowly I would lose health by something hitting me when I was unaware and I hadn't managed to get enough toughness from range kills

[spark helm]

I don't really know why they though that having damage be split from infiltrate and spread entirely through red nodes is a good idea but whatever. They've seemed to be real careful about touching that for vet I guess. I still think some things from right tree could maybe be merged together.

But anyway, the veteran is dogshit discourse is a revolving door. It can be brought up, but it's nowehere near absolute dog.

[tame lodge]

Bro's getting hit

[narrow widget]

you don't need more toughness if you don't get hit

[tame lodge]

[narrow widget]

[mortal aspen]

PULL OUT YOUR FOKEN KNOIFE AND SHANK 'EM

this is a melee game

[frail citrus]

your melee key is by default bound to 1, which is typically your primary weapon in other games

[turbid ibex]

also that yeah

[tame lodge]

It also says primary weapon on your melee

💀

[turbid ibex]

the melee is literally called the fucking primary weapon

[frail citrus]

that’s too lol

[steep flower]

i'm tempted to watch it too and mald as i hear such dogshit

[atomic void]

like i said no class should be able to just deal with everything by pew pew the main appeal is melee

[narrow widget]

also out for blood literally gives you toughness for free on ranged kills

[frail citrus]

there will usually be more of them than ammo in your gun

[atomic void]

melee/range hybrid

[frail citrus]

your melee never runs out of ammo

[turbid ibex]

if you neglect the melee you will end up dead

[tame lodge]

Don't

I just heard

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-smoking-blunt-blehskibidi-gif-4336732105413285679

[tame lodge]

That veteran does nothing to put his head and shoulders above the competition

[spice shard]

🇬🇧

[tame lodge]

When vet has the best gun buffs in Executioner Stance

[narrow widget]

kid named survivalist aura

[frail citrus]

specialist assassin

[tame lodge]

Oh not in general competition

[tired cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goodness-what-an-idea-why-didnt-i-facepalm-the-simpsons-gif-17489109

[tame lodge]

General ranged competition

And I quote

[narrow widget]

it's perfectly reasonable if you think about it

[atomic void]

also u could literally just play recon and never run out of pew pew

[spice shard]

god i fucking hate discord sometimes
the english flag is named england but the UK flag is named flag_gb

[tame lodge]

"There's not too much that they can do with ranged weapons that really put them head and shoulders above the competition "

[steep flower]

yeah... i wanna both watch it cause i wanna have an opinion & also listen to you cause this is too much

[tired cargo]

vermintide 2 is a mele game, this should be! a range

[tame lodge]

So why do we have melee weapons

And melee enemies

[spice shard]

yeah you're just baiting at this point
i refuse to believe someone could be this stupid

[tame lodge]

If this was a ranged game like cod or battlefield

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-fanta-orange-orange-venom-marvel-rivals-gif-14254808145322227813

[steep flower]

to cut rashuns to pieces between matches

[mortal aspen]

Left 4 Dead is a ranged game

[narrow widget]

no matter what the combat is gonna be at least 60-70% melee
because it's built first and foremost as a tide game

[tame lodge]

No I'm going to stop you right there

[spice shard]

mate the only truth you've said so far is that a kilogram weighs a kilogram

[tame lodge]

You will not play this card with us

[steep flower]

yeah its time for you to sleep boi

[mortal aspen]

bro is laughing his face off, he baited everyone so hard

[tame lodge]

"I'm right you're wrong that's why I'm going to keep expressing my opinion like the absolute truth"

[atomic void]

good bait

i respect

[tame lodge]

You are here to discuss

[narrow widget]

insane bait hold up

[tame lodge]

And we'll discuss

[tired cargo]

I just woke up after sleeping for 22 hours I don't think I need to sleep more

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[tired cargo]

[mortal aspen]

are you a dreadnought?

[tame lodge]

And I'm sorry to tell you

[atomic void]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-perry-rage-bait-njpw-gif-15276604049108710653

[tame lodge]

But this mister e video is shit

[spice shard]

no but hes clearly doing jack shit else with his life i can tell you that for sure

[tame lodge]

You should unfollow him

[tired cargo]

yes, kind of? I am retired

[tame lodge]

And delete your history tab of him

[narrow widget]

actually it's gonna get us buffs
Mr e video will save vet fr fr ong

[tame lodge]

Wow

[orchid hemlock]

Which one?

[spice shard]

oh fuck just realised your pfp is that one anime nazi girl
everything checks out now

[tame lodge]

Mentioned Castigator Stance

When cast stance has no real ranged buffs

[tired cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/youjo-senki-the-saga-of-tanya-the-evil-talking-anime-gif-15600045

[narrow widget]

it reloads ur weapon

[tame lodge]

Fell for the Arby's propaganda

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/no-anime-penguin-no-anime-penguin-gif-15930113

[steep flower]

ok Mr.E is officially dumb

[atomic void]

tanya isnt a nazi

[tired cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/hk416-ump45-ump9-girls-frontline-roll-gif-14860931

[atomic void]

also she's evil

[tame lodge]

Lmfao

[tired cargo]

what can I say? I love gun girls

[tame lodge]

Arby's have critical damage and shit that applies to melee and ranged

[tired cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/junya-sopmod-gfl-gif-23818729

[spice shard]

"shes not a nazi but shes an aryan girl in hitlers perfect image"
granted i've not watched the anime but i know it takes place during one of the world wars so she gives off major nazi vibes

[tame lodge]

Like vet isn't running around with Precision Strikes

💀

[spark helm]

I don't mean this to be insulting but most of my strongest veteran builds are literally about turning my ranged option into a literal resource lottery machine where I can control those odds by my sheer output. I don't think enough about tankiness, but I've seen these arguments before about how tempo for toughness lost can be harder to gain and all that straight up barring being forced into certain situations, you really should be limiting the average amount of chip damage you're taking. The middle tree has a an entire talent that doesn't give a shit about chip unless you're really just out here getting shredded in the first place or probably just getting put into hazard after hazard zone.

While I've never experienced havoc play, veteran struggling with regaining toughness while needing to just take damage isn't at all a thing that's worrisome unless I make the right mistakes or if other people are getting dunked on to.

Ranged mechanics in this game already distinguish themselves with the consequences of being run down while shooting. The idea here though is that you're already dropping those targets and that's where everything else that makes veteran a stable cornerstone class come in to play. I just slide dodge, throw nades at my feet or timing the explosion to shut down an advance, shout and infiltrate just give breathing room by either pulling ahead in what they specialize in trying to do.

If it's a matter about powercreep that becomes a conversation I can't keep up with because the game just goes up a lot by the feel of things between new weapons and new classes. There's even a mode in yhe game rn that just rainbow modes everything players can do, steered by the feel of it too depending on what you build into.

[narrow widget]

give vet swift slaying

[orchid hemlock]

Why does Mister E make the Far cry Blood Dragon font on every video now?

[narrow widget]

this would Save him for SURE

[tame lodge]

Idk I don't watch mister e

[orchid hemlock]

[atomic void]

the show is about a piece of shit dude that dies and becomes a angry gremlin general who's evil, its not meant to be taken seriously nor is it nazi

[mortal aspen]

I think Misato is hot

[orchid hemlock]

Loli

Can we get a ban

[steep flower]

i watch him to know what stuff is going to be spread to battle it; know your E(nemy)

[orchid hemlock]

Thx mods

[atomic void]

based

[spice shard]

"An arrogant Japanese salaryman insults God moments before his death, resulting in being reborn as a 9-year-old soldier girl."
i cant say im surprised ngl

[tame lodge]

"lack of investment on his ranged play style"

Literally MMF

[atomic void]

now tell me this is a show u take seriously

[mortal aspen]

only in Japan

💀

[atomic void]

its just a funny haha reincarnation animne

[spice shard]

yeah you have a point

[orchid hemlock]

Mangaka try not to create a power fantasy based on their unhappy lives challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

[spice shard]

never seen it outside a meme every so often so assumed it was more serious than "man insults god, becomes wartime general"

fuckin twisted metal sorta shit

[atomic void]

its really just a show u watch if u want campy shit

haha so an angry child is a general and she's MAD AT THINGS

[mortal aspen]

I think I'd rather watch 1000 other things before I think about touching something with this synopsis

[atomic void]

there are way better shows true

[spice shard]

i think i'd rather watch an offbrand version of edgerunners made by michael bay ngl

[tired cargo]

honestly yeah The Veteran and I'm being completely honest now

if I play difficulty 4 or even 5 without any modifiers The Veteran will do totally fine if you play the left, middle or right path. The Veteran will do totally fine

all of the classes will do totally fine even if you don't have maximum power weapons you will do totally fine

the only issue really really with the veteran is in higher difficulty settings with higher difficult modifiers where the veteran then don't have a lot of survival ability and a lot of damage compared to the others.

[narrow widget]

mmf lowk not that great of a keystone imo
could be wrong tho I never take it cuz I'm not that much of a ranged vet

[narrow widget]

pus hardened is DEAD and we are THRIVING

[orchid hemlock]

Mister bEast made a "Vet rework" video

Wait let him cook?????

[steep flower]

You really never played a good build then or dunno how to make one

[spark helm]

Eh, plenty of visual media around the world with their own real histories of jank often maligned entertainment trends.

Really not sure what's going on with the lolifascishit other than whatever other version of keyboard weirdo has going on with historically dangerous ideas but I didn't even notice.

There's also just anthropomorphic weapon stuff everywhere if that's some gun girl trope stuff dude is referencing. But that's not the focus rn ig.

[tired cargo]

yeah I'm gonna be objectively honest I avoid like the plague any other people's build

[tame lodge]

It shoehorns you into playing mostly ranged and doesn't synergize with a good amount of weapons
The extra finesse is unironically busted

And it's not about standing still

It's about hitting heads

[spark helm]

^^^^^

[narrow widget]

my head hitting ability is dog water why do you think I exclusively play bolter and bistol

[orchid hemlock]

Why do you know this? 🤨 📸

[steep flower]

Understandable; but ultimately foolish - majority of the things have been already established

[spark helm]

I literally study media dude.

[mortal aspen]

I mean, yeah, but let's be real, manga and anime is really weird about underage characters, especially udnerage girls

Member that big booba, bikini wearing girl with a bigass sniper rifle from Guren Lagann? She's supposed to be 14.

[orchid hemlock]

Why this media tho?

🤨 📸

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/zamn-gif-23821732

[steep flower]

Its fetishization simple as

[tame lodge]

Veteran players not beating the can't aim allegations

[orchid hemlock]

I feel like "analyzing" media would get extremely repetitive

[spark helm]

I'll just be real with you, I don't play games like that on the internet. You're not funny at all and don't you ever play on my name with that shit.

Like that's actually just not funny to even imply.

[mortal aspen]

for the longest time I thought she was like 20 or something

[tame lodge]

Bro says lack of investment on ranged play style
Then proceeds to praise Killzone

[orchid hemlock]

I thought you were talking about the Nazi Loli anime

What game are we talking about?

[narrow widget]

I've only seen clips of gurren lagann and I thought she was like at least 18 💀 💀 💀

14 year olds do not look like that 💀 💀 💀 💀

[meager echo]

I do think vet is harder to play than other class, but once you pass the learning curve, hes very straight forward.

When i first starting the class, i can not handle melee at all due to the stamina delay problem.

[turbid ibex]

Ye vet's stamina management lowkey sucks

[tame lodge]

💀

[turbid ibex]

Mf was in the military and survived their cardio shouldnt be this dogshit

[spark helm]

If someone is actually trying to have a real conversation about that, they'll have to actually understand the history of that media in the first place when it comes to just how much of that specific angle of the medium has a heavy hand in its promotion. It's definitely one of the most exhausting aspects of the medium at large because it literally takes up space.

[orchid hemlock]

Vet is simple at the fundamental level

Are you killing the specialists?

Yes then good

[tame lodge]

Bro said give Executioner Stance aim lock

[mortal aspen]

[narrow widget]

higui the stamina delay is like the one thing you can't deny is objectively worse than everyone else

[tame lodge]

Yeah sure

I always get at least one -0.25

[turbid ibex]

2 base stamina also only beats out psyker's singular one base stamina

[orchid hemlock]

Wait no way

[narrow widget]

dead ass even the psykers have better cardio

[mortal aspen]

you mean how the publishers are forcing authors to do this for marketing purposes?

I guess it makes sense?

[turbid ibex]

But psyker gets a way better regen delay

[steep flower]

I never do; i cope & adapt - never gonna waste a talent on it, never ever even considered in any build

[turbid ibex]

Ye

[steep flower]

But i do understand it

[tame lodge]

It's just on the way to MMF anyways

[steep flower]

Yeah i forgot

[turbid ibex]

Vet should have better stamina stats than this at base

[narrow widget]

yeah but that's for vets who 🤮 aim

[turbid ibex]

And shouldnt need to take those fucking small grey nodes to have that

[orchid hemlock]

several people are typing

[turbid ibex]

Speaking of grey nodes

[steep flower]

About that; why the one who is most likely the most trained has the worst in stamina department?

[spark helm]

You implying nasty shit about me.

I was still talking about whatever is going on with that show because I was talking about something anyone can end up observing plainly.

Plus, we're playing a 40k game, an entire dystopian media franchise that can't stop attracting actual fascists. Before any and all that, it's war game stuff with fantasy and science fiction stuffed into it so the overlap is free tbh.

[turbid ibex]

Just fucking nuke the majority of them off the map

[turbid ibex]

Good fucking question

[narrow widget]

WHEN(????) we get our rework that's definitely going to change

[turbid ibex]

Yeah

[orchid hemlock]

Oh I wasn't implying anything about the Fascist shit

The fact you know soo much about a Loli character tho is 😬

[turbid ibex]

fun fact btw

vet has a total of 19 grey nodes

[tame lodge]

Man I'm about to drop this mister e video

[turbid ibex]

arb has 5

(granted those 2 mandatory +25 toughness nodes are just grey nodes in disguise but still)

[spice shard]

please drop it somewhere where it fits
like a bin

[tame lodge]

Ah yes infiltrate doesn't fit his power fantasy

[spark helm]

Not entirely? It's not that simple honestly. You'd have to start learning about the realities of Japanese entertainment media like industry period. But marketing popular characters through merchandising is just a standard economic norm in franchising period. Where that lands goes in all kinds of directions.

[spice shard]

"thats what my character would do" vibes ngl

[meager echo]

I think we have a misrepresent info problem with darktide related content. Bad stuff should be called out, if i don't know any better i would listen to those advice.

Its a struggle to learn this game as a newbie.

[spice shard]

stab things

the rest you'll learn on the way

[turbid ibex]

on a surface level i understand it

but to me the issue is more so that infiltrate doesnt do that much by itself

imo it should at least give you the damage buff by default and have the movement speed linger for a bit after the stealth ends

[narrow widget]

my vet rework wishlist is

1. increase our base stats (esp stamina delay)
2. make tree more accessible and less hard to fuck up a build on (a la arby tree)
3. moar weapons
4. maybe rework mmf but infiltrate definitely needs to be either replaced or rethought

also kraks

[turbid ibex]

infiltrate (and shroudfield too) imo should incentivize using them as tools to safely engage into melee range rather than getting out of it

and middle aura could def use some sauce

[spark helm]

That's part of the gross things and it's interesting that someone being fascist isn't in the same sphere of urgency to you as someone being a creep because they're quite literally on the same shit in that department frequently throughout historical record.

Moving on from that and clarifying, it's because I have eyes and use the internet where other people use the internet so if I want to learn something, I learn about it. I don't care for those shows because I just don't give a fuck about whatever they're even trying to do with that but you can literally just find that trope in plenty of media that's similar to it.

You can just read a fucking synopsis like anyone else. Plus, the show came out some time ago or whatever and I guess it's still popular enough to have more shit about it.

The broader point I was talking about was whatever the genre of anime and manga that does personified guns and vehicles since that's just a thing with the medium.

[turbid ibex]

flat +5% damage to allies in coherency

[orchid hemlock]

If you want to socio analyze the socio economic influence of anime via Japanese culture that's fine

I just don't understand why you need to understand the details of a 9 year old to do that 💀

[turbid ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/mimimimimi-cat-sleeping-snoring-cat-sleeping-cat-drooling-cat-gif-23979759

[spark helm]

You genuinely are confusing and actively pissing me off. When have I ever said that?

I'm so fucking serious, what is wrong with yoy?

[orchid hemlock]

Didnt you provide context on the character design?

[narrow frost]

dont engage him, he just wants attention

[tame lodge]

Nothing to your allies
Barely working coherency Regen to you

https://tenor.com/view/nanami-nanami-kento-nanami-beach-gif-419261357921649897

[spark helm]

Idc, that shit doesn't get thrown out without that shit getting challenged. Idk if it's reading comprehension or some nasty weird troll game but that's some big pussy shit to do.

Mfkers need to stop thinking that a keyboard makes everything some joke.

[turbid ibex]

?

[tame lodge]

Loner

[turbid ibex]

oh right

[orchid hemlock]

You are talking about them

Right?

[turbid ibex]

that too

[narrow widget]

if it's gonna be ass at least make it funny fr
"activates friendly fire to allies outside of coherency"

[orchid hemlock]

I don't know their pronouns

[spark helm]

Oh I see what's happening

[mortal aspen]

Does throwing grenades remove Infiltrate?

[spark helm]

It literally is a problem with reading comprehension and malice.

Nvm. Keyboard garbage.

[orchid hemlock]

Nice diagnosis 👌🏻

[spark helm]

Whatever you're about to say I don't care. Unironically splatter in an accident for saying some crazy shit like to me.

[tame lodge]

Underhand, not hitting enemies keep stealth up

[turbid ibex]

would def fit the commisar identity

[mortal aspen]

rate my build

[tame lodge]

Underhand, hit enemy breaks stealth

[turbid ibex]

take middle aura

[orchid hemlock]

Actually I got nothing 🤷🏻‍♂️

You wanted me to say something?

[mortal aspen]

i want free ammo

[turbid ibex]

no you dont

[mortal aspen]

what about regular tosses?

[tame lodge]

Those are going to break

[mortal aspen]

[tame lodge]

Pushing doesn't break

Using stimm doesn't break

[mortal aspen]

I don't even know how -90% aggro works

but it sounds cool

[spark helm]

They just don't target you for a while in most cases.

[narrow widget]

it's peak
no notes

[mortal aspen]

so what you're saying

[turbid ibex]

its pretty much just aggro dumping to your teammates even after you leave stealth right?

[spark helm]

It works just like the stealth for ranger veteran bardin

[mortal aspen]

I'm basically unkillable for 10s after stealth

poga

I'm not sure what weapons to take with this setup

combat shotty and shovel?

[turbid ibex]

the enemies are still going to target your allies though iirc

[orchid hemlock]

I don't want to give Mister E views, what did he say in the video?

[narrow widget]

knoife and knoife

[spark helm]

Fuck out my face loser, you literally just up threw out chomo shit on the mfker LITERALLY speaking against the person repping it.

Jump and never wake up fr

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/live-bile-troll-reaction-bile-troll-vermintide-vermintide-2-versus-versus-gif-14791691335031301398

[tame lodge]

Called the keystone worthless

Also has onslaught selected

[spark helm]

You're ignored by enemies that were grouped in with targetting you. Idk if anything spawning in will still mark you but meh you can just get extended breathing room by using it and going right back into fighting.

[orchid hemlock]

oof, telling someone to CTRLALTDELETE, very well received comment 😔

[mortal aspen]

I see

[narrow widget]

I thought the -90% threat was like
if given the choice between attacking you or someone else, they will most of the time choose the other person

[mortal aspen]

I mean, tbh, 50% toughness res + 50% from iron will sounds kinda poggers

and also lower threat

[orchid hemlock]

always defaults to personal attacks on character smh my head 😔

[spark helm]

Pretty much.

[spice shard]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-darktide-darktide-gif-3837205933150604742

[spark helm]

Rest in piss if dude bounces like that ig.

[normal eagle]

what character

u gotta have sum to attack first big dog

[spark helm]

Does that slimefuck do this all the time?

[orchid hemlock]

my character, the Ogryn named: "Grey Toes"

[orchid hemlock]

yoohooo I'm right here, you can ask me yourself

[spark helm]

Yup. You get weird steroids to defense through it. Really just gives you freedom to pick targets or start at another part of a horde.

[mortal aspen]

Orcka blocked me a while ago, idk why, but now I'm curious what's the drama all about

[tame lodge]

Vídeos done

Bro said nothing for 75% of the video

"He should be able to do things with weapons that no other classes can"

vet already does that

[spark helm]

The creature was implicitly accusing me of being a pedophile and trying to frame it as a joke when I was explaining why the stupid lolifascishit was a thing when someone came in here talking about the mister e video that they used to support their claims that veteran wasn't a class that had effective and known ranged options as well as wanting to strip down melee output.

They had a pfp from some show that came out years ago because someone asked where it's even from. The guy with it gave up after trying to shout people down about vet.

Guy assumed that I just consume that kind of media when I was explaining why there's an observable trend of that lolifascshit and then kept playing troll games about something actually serious, gaining the appropriate response.

[tame lodge]

"more prowess with ranged weapons, more ability to handle these"

literally Executioner Stance

Bro said nothing for 75% of the video

[faint beacon]

Honestly Veteran's biggest core issue is similar to Zeaot but to far FAR lesser degree of taxing tree issues thats about it

minus stamina

we all know how bad that is

[narrow widget]

Vets biggest core issue is that he hasn't been nerfed enough

[tame lodge]

Sorry man we are not going to address that

[faint beacon]

Yeah sorry we're going to say uhh

ummm

[tame lodge]

Just yeah use VoC 24/7

Then ask yourself why you don't have the best ranged prowess in the game

[faint beacon]

yeah that

[orchid hemlock]

oh now you are just making shit up about me after telling me to off myself 🙄

[orchid hemlock]

thats not very nice

[narrow frost]

we should nerf vet

[faint beacon]

Exactly

[tame lodge]

Sorry man

[faint beacon]

Funniest shit is how its an Arby H40 Solo

[tame lodge]

VoC wins game

[narrow frost]

yes

[faint beacon]

and I just pull up Vet out of thin air

LMAO

[tame lodge]

So we are not going to do anything

[void dragon]

we already have its Pay2win replacement, so what is stopping us?

[tame lodge]

Just play VoC 24/7

[faint beacon]

So true

[tame lodge]

I swear if I see another Castigator Stance propaganda compared to vets Executioner Stance

Uh

[mortal aspen]

#nerfvet

[tame lodge]

What's the gif of the guy going red inside the car

[void dragon]

dont think its the same thing, one its a damage boost, the other is a mode where you can actively go out of cover to answer fire

[tame lodge]

He has like a square face

[tame lodge]

But people will tell you that Castigator Stance has better ranged shenanigans than Executioner

💀

[void dragon]

its because they are happy getting shot in the face and not dying because they have no skill to slide

[spark helm]

@mortal aspen fucked up and forgot the major part. You can just search it up since it happened like 25 or so minutes ago or something.

[void dragon]

they bad, so they say stupid

[narrow widget]

Fr just make ex stance reload on ability use again and it would be insane

[mortal aspen]

I believe you

[void dragon]

no, make it a new keystone and give us a new skill that let us do a Rambo with a machine-lasgun

[spark helm]

You're fine, I just like to finish my thoughts before posting usually. That shit actually had me mad as hell.

[mortal aspen]

theoretically, if you kill 10 elites right away in casti, you have 50% free damage for almost 20s

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's cool

Lemme have it for infinite seconds

Woops another head gone

One shot

One kill

🗣️

[orchid hemlock]

u ar ehaving the crashout of the century and I'm just sitting here figuring out what made you soo mad tbh

[mortal aspen]

yeah, but also with exe you have to play the game
casti is ooga booga mode

[tame lodge]

Not beating the can't aim allegations

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[void dragon]

imagine needing to aim -Loyal assail freak

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah I should still draw vet going aw look who can't aim to Psyker

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-look-who-cant-dragon-ball-super-dbz-dbs-gif-13600920366062155017

I kinda promised that a while ago

I'll probably get to it when I'm done with wally west pose psyker

[spark helm]

I'm just going to say this once, you should play those kinds of keekee keyboard little troll games with as many strangers on the street in your day to day life to understand why that shit isn't even close to being funny. You know what you're doing, you knew what you were saying.

Don't play a victim when you just fucking accused me of something like that you little fuck.

[orchid hemlock]

?????????????????

[spark helm]

Nope.

[orchid hemlock]

u literally told me to off myself and now ar eplaying the victim, seirously wtf would u do that?

[spark helm]

I told you to kill yourself after you randomly accussed me of one of the worst things a person can be because a keyboard makes you comfortable with being a dumbfuck.

That's not no fucking debate you little roachpig.

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-emotiguy-emotiguy-butt-shake-emoji-butt-shake-joe-butt-shake-gif-14427695574209448709

sorry, I just thought this would be a good moment to post this

[spark helm]

You good, it's this mfker that's the actual problem.

[orchid hemlock]

i did not accuse you of anything, and even if I did I wouldn't respond with telling the person to off themselves on the internet 💀

[void dragon]

seems quite fitting if you ask me

[mortal aspen]

thank you

[spark helm]

Idiot, it's because you're you that you would say that shit that anyone would be on that ass huh?

Nah nvm. Dogshit through and through.

[orchid hemlock]

i actually dont even know what you think I implied about you, honest to god

[hybrid plover]

What the hell is happening in this chat rn

[spark helm]

#veteran-class message stop playing with me man.

[orchid hemlock]

what do you think i was implying? I need to know, because I have a bad feeling about this

[spark helm]

The entire conversation has served as a answer to that question. you know you're being a pos.

[orchid hemlock]

I think you the one who is implying something about me

[spark helm]

You're not good at gaslighting.

[orchid hemlock]

I'm trying to figure it out as well 💀

[mortal aspen]

it's all Mister E's fault

[spark helm]

that's crazy

[spark helm]

You still playing in my face lol.

I'm not implying I'm directly saying what you just fucking did nearly an hour ago and you still acting like you don't know what the fuck happened.

[narrow widget]

mister e killed my kids and threw me in an acid vat

[orchid hemlock]

can you please tell me?

you linked the comment, but I still dont know what you think I was implying

[spark helm]

So you just forgot the entire reply strings too then?

do you want receipts of that again too?

[orchid hemlock]

I am aware of our convo, but I am not aware of what you think I was accusing about you: #veteran-class message

[spark helm]

Been saying it this entire time and you've been keeping up with every reply so I know you're lying.

[orchid hemlock]

ok, I'm just going to let the <@&735928989146939404> handle this because I honestly feel like this is going nowhere

[spark helm]

The easy switch up. actual cretin

[orchid hemlock]

maybe I said something that came off insulting to you, and I apologize, that was not my intention

but like I said this convo is deteriorating pretty fast

[spark helm]

If you're actually being 100% honest with me, sure.

But in every instance where that isn't the case and you know it in your heart to not be case, fuck you like I said.

[hybrid plover]

Can't we all just get along? 😢

[tame lodge]

Sorry man

Not happening

[hybrid plover]

Damn.

I tried.

[tropic notch]

What da hell happening in vet chat

Where are the single women

[spark helm]

Painting figures during a game night, maybe in your lobbies, etc.

[tropic notch]

Wonderful news

[spark helm]

Okay the first one isn't too common at a game store that I've seen where there's enough space for more people to bring their shit to paint.

Maybe? Probably, idk. Can't afford it even if I wanted to get into it.

[tropic notch]

It’s true they might be in my lobbies

Get them out

[spark helm]

Have the single women come and get the people out of your lobby?

[mortal aspen]

where the white women at

[hybrid plover]

How

[gilded wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/blazing-saddles-comedy-cleavon-little-my-next-impression-gif-3459954

[hybrid plover]

Wait.

[tropic notch]

No get the women out of my lobbies

[hybrid plover]

All three of them took over 2k damage

[tropic notch]

Except if they are single

[hybrid plover]

What the fuck

[tropic notch]

If so haiiiiii ladies

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/chic-back-pain-gif-23606809

My back hurts

[faint beacon]

Rare sighting of a Steel Legion Psyker

[tropic notch]

Where’s the psyker game play

GALE

[delicate rivet]

I hope FS is cooking up Vet’s weapon

[delicate rivet]

2nd arbitor from the left looks majestic af ✨

[spark helm]

Last weapon was...shock maul right?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

It's been 10 months since they promised a new weapon to vet

[faint beacon]

I dont think its happening

lmao

[tame lodge]

I do think it's happening

Went through the code today
There's new blessings and shit

There's also the leaked models earlier this year

and the different marks in the code recently

There's also the announcement that Superiority will be buffed

So the next update should be about new weapons + blessings

I just can't prove it

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-bar-gif-4298875606784040546

[mortal aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/infowar-skeptical-conspiracy-theory-nod-gif-13373739

[hollow ibex]

the moment i see this

https://tenor.com/view/alarm-roblox-gif-24540848

[spark helm]

Good.

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/im-building-construction-im-doing-something-monkey-log-gif-3440307

Live footage of game play

[hybrid plover]

i love not playing the game i paid for!!!

[primal zealot]

idk maybe just get good

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button @steel stratus

[steel stratus]

Thank you.. i will try it 😄

[cold mason]

What's the go-to curio set up for Vets nowadays? If any

[red portal]

2 toughness 1 stam curio is pretty standard, with at least 2x gunner resist.

[meager echo]

I saw lots of vet run 2 hp, 1 stamina in my sv

[red portal]

sv?

[meager echo]

hongkong

[red portal]

Toughness stacking is usually more common when you play havocs.

[meager echo]

I'm not sure about why tho

[cold mason]

iirc Vet does more with Toughness than Health in their tree, but it's mostly build dependent

[ruby anvil]

I'm thinking about making my first vet character, haven't played once since I started playing in May. any tips/recommendations?

[cold mason]

I'm playing this game for the first time in years, and get to do the fun thing of diving into old Vet guides bc man, my Vet needs some love

All my loadouts got reset

[red portal]

Also you're often better off taking more toughness to take less hp damage than running more hp a lot of the time.

[ruby anvil]

what does a vet even bring to the party comp compared to arbites, psyker, zealot, etc?

[narrow frost]

vet doesnt get hp damage reduction, the best DR he gets is Iron will which is only toughness

[meager echo]

gold toughness + smoke in h40

[narrow frost]

vet brings whatever

[meager echo]

better tempo

[cold mason]

Vet brings nostalgia

I swapped to Ogryn for a long time, but Vet will always be my main at heart

[ruby anvil]

wasn't vet supposed to get some sorta rework?

[meager echo]

nothing confirmed afaik

[meager echo]

Vets have very good boss dmg with ps, golden toughness spam, smoke to disable captain + range twin range attack, it's very safe to play as well. Your ps stagger everything. Arbites do good dps and thats it, nothing else.

I have a 313 true level arbites with true survivor, having a rough time getting accept in h40. Pretty sure people in my sv do not like the class in high havoc.

[ruby anvil]

that's neat

I've enjoyed the rest of the classes, not too sure why I haven't made a vet till now

I'll hopefully enjoy leveling them cause it seems like a fun class

[red portal]

They have probably been burned by accepting middling arbites players who just shouldn't be doing 40's

[meager echo]

I'm pretty sure they do not like the class, if i change to vet, people will accept me everytime. Even if there is a vet in the party already they just change operator to let me in.

[severe jolt]

I still main a vet

[solar valve]

Im sure they will touch up vet

[ruby anvil]

I've been playing the vet I made, only lvl 6

and honestly I'm having more a blast than when I'm playing Psyker or Arby

there's something about it that just is awesome lmao

[spark helm]

You can generally do a lot with veteran but they're visually one of the less interesting characters to see pop off for most people's taste. It's nowhere near terrible and having even one competent well-built veteran typically just showers teammates in passive utility bonuses for ammo regen, just turning people into tanks for free, grenade regen that gets stronger the better your team is in higher difficulty missions, etc.

[ruby anvil]

visually appealing as in the skills or the cosmetics?

vet cosmetics have been some of my favs despite not making the class till tonight

[spark helm]

I guess more visually dynamic to watch play.

Cosmetics mean nothing to me since there's almost never something that's made that interests me so I'm not even thinking about vanity. I'm not that deeply interested in 40k, tide games are just fun to me.

[meager echo]

my favorite thing about vet is the class is very versatile, i can deal with any enemy type.

[ruby anvil]

that's fair ig, personally it being in the 40k universe is one of the major factors for the game for me

I like horde shooters so it just adds into the fun

[spark helm]

And that as well. It's designed to genuinely excel at being stable. Some classes may overtake it in some departments but veteran isn't suffering for strong and varied enough builds at all in terms of like what weapons and some talent spreads you can end up working with.

[ruby anvil]

that's probably because it's the closest to a regular first person shooter pov

with no weapons but the gun and melee

I worded that weird

the main focus of the damage is the gun, grenade, and melee

other classes have a gimmick that stands it out

the vets gimmick IS the gun

if that makes sense

[spark helm]

I understand where you're going with it. They're good at being stable/strong in just about any situation

[severe jolt]

the fact that you're just some mook in the 40k setting was a big selling point to me
I hate how much everything video game related seems to revolve around space marines
in darktide you get to play as a normal human(or abnormal I guess if you play psyker or ogryn)

[spark helm]

They're easier too because you're just working with Human Fighter™ but Good Soldier®

I liked them because I didn't know anything about 40k fr and had the cooler aesthetic at face value despite just being so standard.

As far as gameplay goes, I like the vibe of [insert career soldier] with the 40k spin on tacticool dorks having to take on fucked up shit. Can kind of just come up with a type of soldier. Simple.

Feels good to use their gun builds too and I like most gun builds in this game.

[ruby anvil]

that's one thing I like as a fan of 40k, I'm not a big fan of space marines. I'd rather be just some random nobody facing off against insurmountable odds and Eldritch horrors

[hybrid plover]

arbitrator also doesn't offer much in terms of team cohesion

nuncio maybe but that's it

[ruby anvil]

darktide has a problem where you have to give some suspense of belief tho when 4 rejects are killing 2000 enemies per 45 minute mission and they're fighting multiple daemonhosts, plague ogryns, beast of nurgle, etc etc

[hybrid plover]

it's literally the "main character" class

[ruby anvil]

beast of nurgles and Daemonhost even space marines have a hard time fighting against in lore

[tall torrent]

DT is canon
therefore this is all real to the lore

[solar valve]

just run weapon specialist psword with the left hand nodes in that tree like reciprocity and desperado

[ruby anvil]

IT IS???

[solar valve]

vet will get top melee dps in H40

[ruby anvil]

WHAT

[solar valve]

yes

[tall torrent]

yea

[solar valve]

its canon

[ruby anvil]

WHAT

[solar valve]

ADB wrote DT lore

lol

[hybrid plover]

some people in the 40k universe are literally just built different

[tall torrent]

matt ward and ADB are writers for DT

[solar valve]

he has a hand in it, at least

[hybrid plover]

the rejects in this case, are actually those sorts

[tall torrent]

veteran has eisenhorn's coat as a cosmetic

u can get inquisitor greyfax's power armor backpack in store rn actually

[ruby anvil]

tbf it's also up to the writer, sometimes characters that are said to be "the best of the best" are killed off for shock value

40k has had so many different writers that like

there has been power creep cause of it

it's weird

[hybrid plover]

like in darktide :)

[solar valve]

when can we get yarrick's power claw

[tall torrent]

DT characters are above their avg counterparts in lore
but there are rare instances of characters that match DT characters in power

[spark helm]

Welcome to franchise writing. Many doors

[severe jolt]

come on that just makes sense game design-wise
would you prefer a game where every gunner headshots you in 1 second?

[ruby anvil]

oh im not saying it doesnt make sense game design-wise

it does

[hybrid plover]

tbf vermintide 2 is not nearly as dense as darktide can be at times

from a game standpoint, they could have made darktide more like vt2 in that way but

that didn't happen

[ruby anvil]

im just saying, knowing 40k lore, its funny that youre facing against HORDES and HORDES of plague and disease infested enemies that even the most veteran space marines sometimes struggle with

[spark helm]

Not as dense before modded but like, much more grounded for melee.

Sounds tired but literally having standard dudes that shoot guns as part of your horde is huge for games like tide.

[hybrid plover]

and instead we have four fucking morons who just happen to have the emperor's blessing and enough competence to take out small city populations worth of heretics that even some space marines would have trouble with

[spark helm]

Kind of like how left 4 dead 2 has some solid differences, it's genuinely just full of small additions with huge impacts to a formula that was compatible with that relationship.

[tall torrent]

DT characters are unironically pretty significantly above the avg space marines in power

[ruby anvil]

yeah its insane

lol

[tall torrent]

like

[hybrid plover]

i truly do believe the emperor's blessed the rejects for some reason

[tall torrent]

The astartes deployment in DT would prob look smth like this

Battle brother straben has his chainsword stuck inside a Dreg rager and fails to push a poxburster, whose melta charge insta kills the whole squad

(yes poxburster explosion is a melta charge lol)

[hybrid plover]

it'd probably also explain why one of said rejects also seems to have a fragment of the emperor talking to them

[ruby anvil]

a team of 4 ogryns would unironically do better facing a plague bearer than a squad of astartes in lore

theyre said to be stronger than astartes

the problem

[hybrid plover]

they are

they're just dumb as rocks

[ruby anvil]

is that their intelligence is said to be closer to rocks in a competiontion

and the rocks still might win

[tall torrent]

stronger but not nearly as fast and with much worse technique
except in DT u have ogryns that have technique

[hybrid plover]

and surprisingly, at least for bully

[ruby anvil]

oh yeah our ogryns atre geniuses in DT

like

FREAKS of nature

[hybrid plover]

a semblance of actual intelligence

[tall torrent]

the smart one is bodyguard

[hybrid plover]

bully's pretty smart too honestly

[ruby anvil]

theyre all smart

[tall torrent]

bully is top 3 most bloodthirsty personalities in the game

[tropic notch]

Who is the top

[ruby anvil]

maul

heh

[hybrid plover]

which is scary because he also does seem to have more awareness than even some of the human rejects

maul

100%

[ruby anvil]

dude my female maul was flirting with a female judge

[tall torrent]

maul (male)
cutthroat (male)
bully
in any order tbh

[ruby anvil]

my jaw DROPPED

[tropic notch]

I’d say judge zealot

[hybrid plover]

maul is a prime example of someone who has no business holding a position in authority because they'll just abuse it

[tropic notch]

Cutthroat and bully talk about the judge being too angry

[tall torrent]

maul + cutthroat conversations are diabolical

[ruby anvil]

there are some voicelines actually of maul being a regular fucking person

its weird

its like the whole "I AM THE LEX" thing

is an act

[tall torrent]

that's prob not maul lol

[hybrid plover]

yeah that doesn't sound like maul

[meager echo]

is arbites strong lorewise,

[ruby anvil]

very

[hybrid plover]

every time i hear that bastard talking, it's always something antagonistic to everyone and everything

sometimes for no reason at all

[spark helm]

It's loose cannon and loner. Least eager to serve underneath people bigger than them. Not exactly a guarantee to be real with you but most of these mfkers you can play as love living on their knees. Bully probably. Fatalist possibly.

[tall torrent]

they're ok

[ruby anvil]

there are some arbites precincts that only put a single arbitrator on a planet because of how well equipped and skilled they are

[hybrid plover]

Eh. I don't think loose cannon is really bloodthirsty at all.

[tall torrent]

they're roughly equal to tempestus scions in strength individually
but they use different weapons (arbites don't get shock troop weapons)

[hybrid plover]

Maybe a scoundrel perhaps.

[spark helm]

It's not about murderous intent because they definitely have that. Someone made a joke about who tops.

If anything loose cannon is unironically the least interested in being there alongside loner as personalities.

[meager echo]

out of the bosses we fight in the game, which one is the strongest lorewise

the twins ?

[tropic notch]

All of them are about equally the same strength

[tall torrent]

beast of nurgle / daemonhost prob

[tropic notch]

Especially plague orgyns and dh

Yeah bons too

[hybrid plover]

probably daemonhost

bonbons being a close second

the fact that the rejects can even toe down with a daemonhost at all

is a miracle in itself

[meager echo]

xD

[ruby anvil]

daemonhost and beast of nurgle, if we were normal rabble we would die instantly from 50 diseases and get our faces melted off by even being within proximity of a beast of nurgle

and a daemonhost would rend our souls from our bodies

[tall torrent]

anger is not bloodthirst

cutthroat literally has a line telling u to go melee enemies to save ammo and "taste the blood"

[ruby anvil]

the ONLY reason i think we're able to is because 1. we're the main characters and game-play loop, 2. its a lesser demon

[tall torrent]

"close quarters is efficient. save ammo, taste the blood."

[tropic notch]

You can solo a dh easily on zealot so since everything you do it’s part of the lore our rejects are insanely powerful

[tall torrent]

smth like that

[tall torrent]

1. we're not the main characters
2. it prob is a lesser daemon

[hybrid plover]

"I WANNA HEAR THEM SCREAM."

[ruby anvil]

wdym we're not?

[hybrid plover]

"THE KILLING, NEVER ENDS."

[meager echo]

close, kill and do it again

[hybrid plover]

Yeah cutthroat is fucked.

[meager echo]

my favorite vet personality xD

[tall torrent]

we're not the main characters in DT's story

[tropic notch]

If the two bloodthirsty personalities are talking about you have a strange look in your eyes and to keep your distance I’d say the judge takes the win

[hybrid plover]

Dude's soul is purely composed of spite.

[tall torrent]

nah

judge is not close

[tropic notch]

Guh

[ruby anvil]

who is?

[hybrid plover]

the rejects aren't meant to be main characters. they're meant to be random schmucks who just happened to get lucky to have zola's grace.

[tropic notch]

Grendel

[tall torrent]

zola, morrow, rannick, etc

[ruby anvil]

i honestly dont know that much about the story of the game

apart from btis and pieces

[tall torrent]

the other thing is that
cutthroat being cadian is naturally resistant and trained against warp influences
maul having schola progenium training also makes him resistant against warp influences
whereas 2 of the 6 zealot personalities are dangerously close to khorne, and judge is way more "praise the beneficent emperor" than he is bloodthirsty

[hybrid plover]

if anything

fanatic is more bloodthirsty than judge is

judge just believes killing needs to be done in the emperor's name

fanatic actually revels in it

even if the female one particularly has some guilt for killing those she believed were heretics only to be wrong

[tropic notch]

They all revel in it

[spark helm]

If we're just talking overall personality yes. They're still definitely malicious but not to the same level as most of the other personalities. They're usually looking for scheme to get wrapped up in for money, personal autonomy to the point of like openly calling for desertion ON mission where they can be heard lmao.

They're hilarious.

[hybrid plover]

i honestly don't get that feeling from judge

angry? yes

bloodthirsty? eh

[ruby anvil]

idk which pwrsonality i like more

cutthroat or loose cannon

[hybrid plover]

female loose cannon is my favorite

she's just a sassy little goober

[tropic notch]

I love the loose cannon in everything he’s in but i love the cutthroats voc lines

[spark helm]

I like loose cannon's banter with cutthroat. They just keep bullying them.

Cadian: says some poetic edgy shit
Loose cannon: lol why you said? Miss home? C:

[meager echo]

professional is cool too
they say Sigma minoris something something when hound approach

[tropic notch]

The seer is actually the best

My beloved said so

[ruby anvil]

my psyker is seer

best personlity

[sudden cedar]

The best is what you deem the best for yourselves.

[meager echo]

i prefer male loner, he sound like a skaven

haha

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/438059987076644894/1368008082356965446/caption.gif

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-funny-gif-9394362665247466144

[hybrid plover]

you know, funnily enough, i was talking about how the rejects might actually be like

blessed somehow by the emperor

[tall torrent]

the moebian 6th were sent to claim the world nox alpha for the imperium
they were traumatized by the planet and turned traitor
cult of admonition launches an uprising in lower hive
lord margrave calls the moebian 6th back to atoma to quell the rebellion
moebian 6th joins a pact with cultists, becomes entrenched in the hive
arbites captured moebian 6th leader captain wolfer on tancred bastion
wolfer escapes the prison ship and goes to tertium to lead the fight alongside the karnak twins
rejects are recruited into the inquisitorial warband to go on suicide missions
hadron and rannick are informed by a mysterious informant, swagger, to uncover the secret of true moebian steel
after which they began producing moebian steel at smelter complex
moebian 6th attempts to steal this but are stopped by strike team
zola, pursuing wolfer (who's her brother) leads a mission to capture the karnak twins, dubbed the orthus offensive
mission goes wrong, strike team is forced to fight their way out, killing rodin karnak
rinda karnak almost died but was healed back to health by the cult of admonition
the cult plans to use rodin's body as a host for a great unclean one but the ritual is interrupted by the strike team in dark communion

morrow is a veteran from the first war for armageddon who killed his own commissar (who was corrupted by khorne) and then lead into the inquisition
grendyl is shipmistress emora brahms' great grandfather and is confined to the mourningstar
rannick has never met grendyl in person

[hybrid plover]

loner is a prime target for the emperor to say "i fuck with this dude heavy"

[spark helm]

Prefer Bethan Dixon Bate Seer if we're talking about Seers. Loner and Savant are great. Male loner is grating but then because he's loner, he actually be saying solid shit anyway.

[ruby anvil]

thats neat

[tall torrent]

there are some missions not in the campaign as well

[spark helm]

I hate his voice most of the time but then I remember his lines and well, alright fuck it it's not that bad. Not about to have me playing that though lol

[tall torrent]

loner worst personality and worst aura in the game

[spark helm]

Nah.

[tall torrent]

not a coincidence

[spark helm]

Most boring for me is probably hm.

Just about every arbites minus fatalist

[solar valve]

male seer best

[spark helm]

And seer I suppose

[tall torrent]

seer best psyker personality

[sudden cedar]

Female Loner.

[meager echo]

her voice is like music

[spark helm]

Loose cannon and loner the mains one just not really down for this shit and speak on it routinely because fuck being a reject lmao. Genuinely like their complaining lines

[solar valve]

fatalist rarely complains

[spark helm]

given the name sake, they're pretty tragic in a weird way to me

[sudden cedar]

Savants are stock ups that think too much off themselves, seers are completely mad and just as annoying as the Savants, Loners are the middle ground and actually likeable.

[solar valve]

I find loner the most annoying

[spark helm]

Granted all of 40k is messed up but like the fatalist really has lines that speak to someone that has generally given up on themselves.

[tall torrent]

exactly

loner genuinely just annoying 100% of the time lol

[spark helm]

Too bad, one of the better personalities imo

[sudden cedar]

Weird, i think the same of the Savants and Seers.

[tall torrent]

genuinely grating to hear

[sudden cedar]

Almost like people have preferences.

[tall torrent]

nah easily worst

[meager echo]

i dont remember the name but, one of the female zealot has very good voice line

[spark helm]

Male voice, sure. Female voice, nope. Plus, like I said, they have some of the more normal responses to just acknowlegding the fuckery they're in.

[tall torrent]

blood for the emperor skulls for the golden throne?

[sudden cedar]

Female Fanatic

[meager echo]

yeah this one

[sudden cedar]

I should know.

[meager echo]

oh i think is female agitator

my mistake

[sudden cedar]

Ah the Shakespearian one.

[spark helm]

Savant is nice for exposition and their status effecting their awareness of what can go down from the perspective of the other shitbags in the game. They also got more lines compared to some that make it clear that they know much more about things than the average reject so the condensation comes free. But they're lowkey just really tired a lot of the time and are very well aware of the kind of betrayal that they perform on themselves as a sellout basically.

The fatalist is kind of the more deeply fucked up annui that both share in.

[sudden cedar]

True enough. I still think them stock ups and annoying.

[spark helm]

Well yeah, savant is part of the Pig Woes Platoon.

[ruby anvil]

i personally enjoy seer cause in my psykers lore, instead of a fragment of the emperor, its a lesser daemon of tzeentch fucking with em

and its hilarious

[spark helm]

It's like savant, judge, fatalist and authoritarian arbites period that don't mind throating decorum and authority to much more notable degree.

Arbites period since they're biggest pigs in the entire playable roster so that makes sense.

[sudden cedar]

Funnily enough, i dislike savant, judge and fatalist, but like the Authoritarian. The female one that is.

Because i also liked one of the voice-actress' other characters, Tzarina Katarin of Kislev.

So its really more about the voice itself and not the lines.

[ruby anvil]

isnt mauls voice actor lae'zel or something?

[sudden cedar]

No

Lae'zel is the female authoritarian

[spark helm]

The performance for the majority of the personalities, even if I dislike male loner's delivery are all pretty dope in their own ways.

[ruby anvil]

i just looked it up, its the va for kerllian

[sudden cedar]

Kerillian is the Female Maul.

[meager echo]

i hate kerilian, shes so bitchy

[spark helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sudden cedar]

Shocker.

Lumberfoots.

[spark helm]

She's a disgraced warhammer elf that actually has very direct stakes in what happened.

[sudden cedar]

Where there's trouble, there's an elf.

[spark helm]

Granted, everyone really does, but she actively ruined a defense meant to mitigate some of what was coming.

And she actually cares, but just projects that guilt and self-loathing on to everyone else, often veiling it in racism. She really is compensating for failing on top of being a functional reject within whatever is going on in warhammer wood elf society or whatever.

[sudden cedar]

She was accused of murder and it was her word against theirs.

And theirs was unfortunately for her, more respected and of higher status.

[meager echo]

is vermintide 2 fow harder than havoc40

i havent compelete it

[sudden cedar]

They are different games with different mechanics, although some core principles are transferable.

[spark helm]

She was responsible for ambushing and dispatching soldiers marching on wherever because she had visions that she herself couldn't exaclty properly decipher and totally jumped the gun because she's had a chip on her shoulder too. She even ignores Saltzpyre when he brings it up after she makes a passing comment about mercing dudes.

[sudden cedar]

Those soldiers were en route to Ubersreik to help defend it against the Skaven.

[spark helm]

Okay, was making sure I didn't get anywhere mixed up but yeah.

Actually I need to reread just to be sure on the rest of the full details because I'm forgetting a lot of basics atm. Did they ever expand on some dialogue with newer voice lines? They always did it for the new classes n all that but they also just brought in new shit I never heard before since last I played it.

[sudden cedar]

It's the End Times... 🙂

[spark helm]

People have had mods that make things even more difficult for cataclysm but you can just use deeds and winds of magic to make your cataclysm games harder with mission modifiers. None of that is exactly new for fatshark tide games

[meager echo]

i finish all the map on cata, but i can't finish the fortunes of war on cata

its so hard

[spark helm]

You're definitely punished harder for mistakes in vt2 compared to darktide

[meager echo]

pretty sure pink rat 2 poke me in cata haha

[spark helm]

Yep.

Clean hits from even slave rats in vt2 can mean death.

Hell the main reason why thp gain matters is because you also just take so much shit when you get hit in that game in most cases.

[ruby anvil]

this is one thing i think they could do better with darktide

maybe instead of HORDES upon HORDES of enemies to the point that it makes no sense

make the enemies, even the most basic one

hit harder

[meager echo]

they should port beast man to dt

for the lols

=))

[tall torrent]

havoc already does that

[meager echo]

i cant get enough of tides game, so good

[ruby anvil]

i dont usually play havoc cause i dont have a dedicated group to play with, and there is really no incentive to

auric damnation is the highest ive been able to go just cause i dont play alot of havocs

[meager echo]

havoc grind is really a struggle man, i have to host my own game to 3x, then change sv to join 40

once i get havoc forge its easier to join 40 in my sv

[ruby anvil]

the only reason that makes me wanna play havoc is because of the cosmetics tied to it

but even then i still struggle doing it because i dont have a good group

[meager echo]

the mode is very fun and rewarding to play, but it is a pain to get into.

[tall torrent]

u don't have to start at h30+

doesn't it start at 16 if u win 1 auric maelstrom

[meager echo]

if you don't have premade group, havoc 2x 3x is way harder than 40

[ruby anvil]

idk, but what im saying is taht because i dont have a friend group to play with its more difficult to get into missions

getting into havoc missions when youre playing with randoms is incredibly difficult

most of the time there arent any even up,

and when there are they want u using meta most of the time

[tall torrent]

depends on class

[spark helm]

Considering that havoc is pretty much raid level difficulty for things I can understand why some are more selective. Lame in its own way but also it's the pinnacle of difficulty currently. Whatever learning that you need to very solid in those difficulties is probably a very felt gap

[meager echo]

i wish more h40 player join lower havoc man. Everygame in h40, someone will ping where to go and what to do.

in 2x, once twins appear everyone split

hahaha

h40 is indeed harder, but the players are most of the time very good.

[spark helm]

Do you just get demoted in havoc rank or is there like a rank decay?

[meager echo]

once you get to 40, no demote. I dont know about inactivity tho

I think the demote things need to go, it's make the game mode too high stake.

people gate keeping because of that.

[hybrid plover]

demoting should have never been a thing imho

[meager echo]

if it wasnt for the demoting mechanic, i think more off meta stuff will have a chance to play.

[sudden cedar]

I disagree. But i view it from the perspective of someone with a rather established group

And i also don't mind the demoting as much. A mission is a mission.

[solar valve]

Demoting is the whole point

Lol

Its more forgiving than what it was

[sudden cedar]

Without demoting there'd be no risk.

[meager echo]

I get where you coming from, but with demoting mechanic, the game became high stake.
Most pub will not accept off meta. For example if you play arbites in hongkong good luck getting accepted.

[solar valve]

?

Arbites is meta

[meager echo]

it's off meta

in hongkong

[solar valve]

They're smoking some shit

[narrow frost]

Rumbler ogryn and purg psyker is something arby can't do

[meager echo]

you can switch sv to hongkong and check yourself

dont take my word for it

[solar valve]

Can only realistically have 1 rumbler gryn with you

[spark helm]

Would actually want to see it for myself once I get more comfortable with trying and eventually succeeding at havocs just to see.

[meager echo]

its definitely doable man, its just the mode is not very accessible tbh

[tame zenith]

have you tried simply being gooderer?

[meager echo]

yes

im at 40, true survivor

[tame zenith]

until you solo H40 with talentless veteran youre not even average smh

[meager echo]

i know the struggle, because i grind with pubs

[tame zenith]

sorry i leave again

[meager echo]

ok sir then i'm average

hell i can be below average or whatever you want it to be

haha

the fact that i am below average and can reach 40 with true survior mean thats everyone can do it

its just the mode is not very accessible

[spark helm]

I'm kind of feeling silly and want to just make a new character and then boost their default weapons to their max and play with that.

[tame zenith]

i think, last time i tried, you cant empower the starting weapons

they literally have no power rating

[spark helm]

Huh?

hm

[tame zenith]

but just get some trash lvl 100 power from your first emps gift and use only them

or, play only emperors gift character

[scarlet crescent]

Zealot and vet give golden toughness. Chorus suppress and vet has shout and smoke so u can hold anywhere on the map. Most HK ogryn is either lucky bullet with gg or heavy hitter and psyker is.. usual bubble and purgatus

They prefer usual suspect as it is easier and more consistent

[solar valve]

I know what vet and zel do lol

[scarlet crescent]

Im just telling you why they dnt want arby

tho i committed crime when doing hosting there by rejecting some arby

[steep flower]

@tame lodge MAN... I'm watching the vid...
'Shredder grenade end up being well rounded general use because it has 3 charges (...) its on par with arbites 3 charges on his arbites grenade'
IS THIS MAN UNIRONICALLY NOT RESEARCHING/MAKING A SCRIPT/DOUBLE CHECKING BEFORE HE OPENS HIS MOUTH!? I'M STARTING TO GET REALLY UPSET & THAT IS RARE TO HAPPEN

He did the same with Ogryn ability cooldown... and arby nades are 4... 5 if with Lone Wolf...

[red portal]

@steep flower you playing later?

[steep flower]

AY

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower 41 times True Survivor

[limpid reef]

Hello, curious what’s the best melee weapon for vet?

[stoic thorn]

I love infiltrate shame it sucks

[jade flower]

out of curiosity does anyone use any mods and if so what ones do you use? I've seen some people use like a health bar one and such and I'm just curios if anyone else uses any

[midnight wyvern]

Technically the power sword

[unreal forge]

numeric UI is a must-have imo

[toxic reef]

mostly use quality of life stuff like auto attack button, better ammo/health/grenade indicators, numeric ui, etc

not a fan of health bar one

[unreal forge]

Duelling Sword MkIV

[midnight wyvern]

I have quite a list but no healthbar one

Though I heard you can turn it off for basic enemies so it's tempting

[unreal forge]

I used it for a while but then realized that it's not really that useful outside of abuse of it by seeing enemies you are not supposed to see

[toxic reef]

ye it feels a bit cheap

[unreal nova]

Depends on your gun, taking two ST focused things will cause you suffering if you aren't blessed by the Goddess of Luck for inf shredders.

[toxic reef]

even tho I use the hacking minigame one that lets me see all upcoming positions lel

[unreal forge]

it doesn't change how you fight enemies except by giving you a huge advantage, there's a reason FS never implemented it outside the Psykhanium

[midnight wyvern]

Yeah I use that too, I'd rather spend less time doing that and more time killing things

I have scan helper too, super nice to not have to walk around like a numpty

And tree helper makes the ending of dreyko so much faster it's nuts

[meager echo]

i use noscreeneffect + iwanttosee, vissual clarity is the best mod

[toxic reef]

I should prob get tree helper, but I feel like that one is a bit too helpful

[midnight wyvern]

I love it, usually that mission is pain because nobody does the scanning and nobody protects during the tree part

[unreal nova]

Kinda cheating but ppl hate minigames.

[toxic reef]

I like rolling steel hacking

it's a fun balancing game

feels nice on a mechanical keyboard

[unreal nova]

Is the only one easier on controller lul.

Assuming not 300 ping.

[midnight wyvern]

If it was I doubt it'd be allowed

[unreal nova]

It is cheating that a mod basically plays the minigame for you. Just nobody really cares.

So many basically cheat lvl mods nowadays, and not even talking the actual aimbots.

I'm sure if we were back to sanctioning system, that would not get sanctioned.

[steep flower]

don't be lazy; play the game as it was intended

[shell lotus]

i still run around like a headless chicken sometimes

[toxic reef]

if the game intends me to get carpal tunnel from spamming melee, I will pass on intended

[shell lotus]

how does that happen?

[unreal forge]

fatshark doesn't ban any mods

[unreal forge]

spamming light attacks

[shell lotus]

ahhh, makes sense

[tall torrent]

creature_spawner
show_remaining_dodges
InspectFromSocial
Power_DI

pretty basic ones

[tall torrent]

power sword VI

[meager echo]

I heard power di, make game stutter

[tall torrent]

haven't had that happen tbh

I have it set to no autosave and minimum cycle

[meager echo]

I use that mod as well to check people build after game

I get 3013 and 2014 a lot

[sly orchid]

Powerdi breaks with almost every update

[meager echo]

Not sure due to the mod or not

[tall torrent]

scoreboard crashes my game directly

so it's not like I have a choice

[sly orchid]

Each copy of darktide is personalized

[midnight wyvern]

there is a mod that actually plays it for you lol

[unreal nova]

That's just full on cheating but as we all know, nobody cares.

[midnight wyvern]

sounds like copium lol

[hard oracle]

yall mind if a white boy has a little motion?

ive been waiting on this damn leather jacket for a minute

ive been waering the vanilla one forever

i like the vox but the power pack fits my goofy lame ahhh headcannon

anyone like these pants for vet more?

[midnight wyvern]

what does that even mean

[toxic reef]

nah they don't fit that well

[crimson pebble]

all good cosmetics but not together

mainly the plasma and backpack

[meager echo]

the helmet look awesome

[heavy rover]

I think these pants fit better. The armored bits tie in with the scion helmet and shoulder pads

[narrow widget]

i think the overall square-ish-ness of the pants clash with the roundedness of the rest of the set

[untold nymph]

Does combat stim also affect Ranged damage

[void dragon]

Iirc they do, giving it some rending as well as damage

[mortal aspen]

it is known that the harder you press the trigger, the more damage the bullet will do

[soft trellis]

[midnight wyvern]

yes

is good

[void dragon]

It also reduces peril? That's interesting, didn't knew it was that good for Sparkhead outside of rending

[ocean idol]

What are good anti-horde ranged weapons for v et?

[untold nymph]

Is my build solid or do I need to fix it in a few areas?

[ocean idol]

That's a "default bitch" build

[untold nymph]

Hm fair

Then what build would you recommend

[void dragon]

DB shotgun is solid on this category (oddly enough) with the right keystone you can maul hordes like the fodder they are, plus can blast down anything mixed in it that isn't caparace

He can't recommend you more because in spite of zealot suffering more, Veteran also has some crazy "one build only" syndrome

[untold nymph]

Oh

At least I got the achievement for having 2 classes maxed out

[void dragon]

You do have some capacity to swap stuff to favour one or other weapon, but this is a standard for a reason

[void dragon]

My advice? Forsake the evil toothpick and embrace Taxe gaming, it has about as good mobility and can clean hordes and even fend off some elites, can open you to use weapons like the bolter and the Helbore lasgun, which are really good.

Additionally, since Vet is usually so support coded, you can take smoke nades for some builds, they can be quite valuable in a team

Even if the perk node tax is real

[plain osprey]

Its amazing how fast the light attack pattern is. And how well it feels moving forward with it

[mortal aspen]

Gyatt damn, Stealth is so fun

the threat reduction is really funny, whole rager packs just run past you

[sudden cedar]

Run past you to fuck up someone else instead of you.

[mortal aspen]

good, that means I'm safe and that's what's important

but in a way, this means you can just snipe away in peace for 10s after infiltrate

that's almost full invisibility as long as there are scapegoats (teammates) nearby

[ocean idol]

he has at least 3

Sniper

Default bitch

Agile-combat spec

[ocean idol]

don't ever recommend smoke grenades to people

Most people will never hav e enough IQ to use them effectively

[plain osprey]

Try together with hellbore lasgun.