veteran-class

[boreal goblet]

I wish we were lone wolf pilled, i mean, 5 talents for the price of 1 point

[faint beacon]

Arby hitting everything with the truth nuke build

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

We need this, but, with the old dogxplosion + puncture memes

[faint beacon]

the turn off the game and make me leave every single time I'd even remotely see the dog?

that level of game breaking shit

[soft trellis]

I never got to use dogxplosion + puncture or dog bleed(when it was omega ultra busted) lol

I was on my down time from gaming during that era

[grand perch]

Lethal proximity isn't really bugged, it does exactly what it says

Which is ironically pretty rare and more accurate than most blessings

[soft trellis]

Yep

[boreal goblet]

I love the fact I like the las guns in lore but the only one that feels Decent to use, is getting to the point of frustration being the Recon,

[soft trellis]

Anything doing exactly what it says in a fatshark game is a rare thing and should be cherished

[unreal nova]

Funny joke was puncture+doggo boom wasn't as OP as what came after.

[boreal goblet]

what came after lol

[soft trellis]

dog bleed melting everything

[unreal nova]

Doggo pounce max bleeding anything.

[soft trellis]

and having dog damage buffs apply to the bleeding damage

[unreal nova]

1.5 sec CD.

[grand perch]

Remove dog

Class fixed

(kidding still busted)

[soft trellis]

lone wolf arbies being just as op as dog arbies:

[faint beacon]

Yeah holy shit this fix

why bother playing vet when the arby is outdoing me 4 fold

[ember nest]

Wait for rework ig

[faint beacon]

makes me weep knowing they didn't even consider toning down how overpowered that class is

[ember nest]

They will probably balance it after it like

You know

Works?

[faint beacon]

Huh? no shit?

[ember nest]

(So in like 8 months)

[faint beacon]

its almost like its been common knowledge about how powerful it was for- since Day 1

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[ember nest]

How long did it take for SOtT to get any sort of nerf

[soft trellis]

I'm waiting for the eventual nerfs as well tbh

[soft trellis]

Yes

[ember nest]

And that class was more borked than arbites could be by quite a bit

[soft trellis]

I had time to learn elven axe against dense hordes in that time

[steep flower]

Maybe you need a better vet build then

[faint beacon]

?

bro dont hit me with that

do not defend how ludicrous Arby is

[soft trellis]

nah, arby is weak... they need buffs

[ember nest]

Why bother playing vet?

The humble recon lasgun:

[soft trellis]

[soft trellis]

zealot and psyker having the recon:

[ember nest]

But not shock trooper

Fingerwag emoji

[soft trellis]

Fair

I blame Ainz, for arby being overtuned

[ember nest]

So true let shock trooper work on bullet weapons as penance this is so sad

[steep flower]

I am not defending the class; i suggest that despite obvious powercreep something on the players end could be better; i don’t feel like i do certain jobs better as arby than vet & vice versa
If you do then maybe look internally not externally for the source of the problem

[boreal goblet]

Recon las is great, I love it I'm glad it works, I just. Kinda frustrated its best used with Infernus

[soft trellis]

[ember nest]

PUT THE KARKIN BOOT IN as I hold M1 for the next like

Minute

[tame lodge]

So long Hotshot

You were great

[steep flower]

Rework when

[ember nest]

Where where you when hotshot was kill

[soft trellis]

Like this? :3

[ember nest]

YES

YES PLEASE

AAAAUGH

I WANNA HOLD

M1

FATSHAAAARK

[soft trellis]

Zealot can do this as well lol, but, easier

[ember nest]

Yeah but thats mortis

[soft trellis]

I know

[ember nest]

ogryn can fuckin do that there

[soft trellis]

I just find it funny zealot does it easier

[unreal nova]

We should have betted on vet nerf directly or indirectly.

[tame lodge]

And better

Gorgonum, my beloved

[soft trellis]

charmed reload... just never stop shooting until you run out of ammo...

[tame lodge]

[ember nest]

I have a buddy who is addicted to gunlugger ogryn BECAUSE of mortis trials

Its an issue

Cant rven fucking play with him anymore

[tame lodge]

5 CRIT string so you get 5 free bullets from twins

[ember nest]

Charmed reload
Lucky shot
The ammo bonus

Hold m1 until match ends

[soft trellis]

I found deathdealer gunlugger amusing

[soft trellis]

You need death dealer for it to actually be possible

[ember nest]

Whichever bonus gives you free shots

[soft trellis]

Death dealer

the base effect of death dealer

[ember nest]

That one

I just nod and call it "the ammo one"

[soft trellis]

the +30% crit on the 1st 25% of the mag makes charmed reload make you never run out of ammo in the mag until you run out of ammo

even when there are no enemies

[ember nest]

He also loves attempting to fucking crash my pc

[soft trellis]

box of hurt?

[ember nest]

With the stupid grenades

Yeah

[soft trellis]

I prefer the frag bomb cause you can get the bubble effect

[tame lodge]

Don't blame him

Gunlugger just feels good

[ember nest]

I don't either but he lost the ability to fucking play

[tame lodge]

Someone really said full auto shotgun

[soft trellis]

[soft trellis]

db shotty is that in the mortis trials

well

semi-auto

[sudden cedar]

A full auto shotgun exists. Not in Darktide, but i know a game where this is the case.

[steep flower]

Yeah hes not playing
Hes enjoying himself

[tame lodge]

Pancor Jackhammer

My beloved

And of course

AA-12

[ember nest]

He starts moping every time he runs out of ammo and is dogshit at melee now

[sudden cedar]

N7 Piranha, a full auto shotgun.

[ember nest]

He's a real ogryn irl

[sudden cedar]

Mortis Trials teach people bad habits.

[unreal nova]

Just let him die, say 50% ammo back.

Profit.

You guys refill before next rescue.

[covert dagger]

Bad “sweat level” habits.

I love me a G who has fun.

One time I barely even shot my own lasrifle because there was a guy who was having so much fun with his recon las that I really just enabled him.

[crimson wyvern]

THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[covert dagger]

He basically solo’d it. Got all the ammo, we were just there to enable him. And put our flashlights on baddies.

[broken reef]

i hate gunlugger ogryns cause they are too lore accurate, yesterday had 2 that would just stand there m1 taped down and i had to verbally shout at them to keep them moving forwards

[covert dagger]

Perfect.

[broken reef]

like my slab in coherency, please, my body is too frail to push forwards please

[covert dagger]

Stay behind them. 8) they soak bullets.

And eventually they run out of ammo and start using their clubs. Or their guns as clubs. It is the Ogryn way.

[grand perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/iTeXJ2sD8e

[grand perch]

It's true see above

[atomic void]

as da embrah intended

[covert dagger]

Wait. Shield Ogryns aren’t supposed to taunt and tank now?

People realize the shove with a shield is an actual taunt. Right?

Or is it some randos who don’t know that? Like the guy telling me mob armor is just cosmetic.

Legit question. How is one “supposed to” play a shield Ogryn? Since taunt and soaking damage isn’t it.

[atomic void]

you taunt and kill things

shield ogryn gameplay is spam heavies and kill everything

its boring but effective

[normal bay]

No need to soak damage, keep thumping

Shield plant is for DH emergencies

And occasionally gunner related emergencies

[unreal nova]

You need a talent for it.

[covert dagger]

Sounds like I will certainly not be playing Ogryn past level 3 anymore then.

If I wanted a bully club I’d equip one.

[broken reef]

the shield is a half ton slab of steel and a heavy hit reflects that very well

[atomic void]

think of it this way, new ogryn has insane dmg output especially in melee

you funnel everything to you then shred them

it feels good

[normal bay]

Why? Shields great

[covert dagger]

Except for it you use it to block.

Clearly.

[atomic void]

that hasn't been the case for a long time

ive been playing for a year and the only times i see people planting shields is if there's a dameonhost

[normal bay]

Why block when you can kill?

[broken reef]

shield plant is for when a magical horde of shooters manifest and you slam your shield down to not drain all your stamina in 3 seconds, the other use is to rally your team during elevator rides by repeatedly thumping it to the beat of we will rock you

[atomic void]

ogryn is just too good at killing to waste time blocking

[covert dagger]

The more I am on here the more ways I learn to suck the fun out of my Darktide.

Sorry. I’ll continue being that Heresy Ogryn who plays a tank.

Not actually sorry.

[broken reef]

and i wll continue tossing nades in your general direction and thank you for clumping the horde

[tame lodge]

Shove taunt is only possible with Attention Seeker talent

[atomic void]

i mean play the way you want to play

lol

[mortal aspen]

taunt and kill

[faint beacon]

And thats not exclusive to shield

thats just push in general

[atomic void]

you asked a legit question and people gave u a legit answer

[covert dagger]

I thought that was the plan.

[atomic void]

although i dont see how planting a shield is fun

[mortal aspen]

if you hold block you do no damage

[atomic void]

but you play the way u want to play king

[faint beacon]

Frame 1 parrying overheads thats it

[broken reef]

ah the gong tech

[atomic void]

you know what respect
people here are like AAAAAAA IM BEING OUTDMGED AAAAAAAA meanwhile this absolute chad wnats to enable others to deal dmg

[covert dagger]

I find it fun when my team mows down the maulers I just knocked over and am now tanking with no damage.

My team seems to find it fun too.

They’re probably just not as good at Darktide as you guys.

[normal bay]

They don't need to be as I've mulched all the heretics with my shield

Everything is taunted, staggered and bleeding to death

[atomic void]

the dmg on it is insane i just wish it had an actual moveset

spam heavy 10x epic gameplay

[mortal aspen]

you can knock them over and keep attacking?

i don't understand your argument

blocking just for the sake of blocking is pointless

shield does a fuckload of damage

while knocking everything on the ground

[mortal aspen]

pushattack does decent damage actually

[atomic void]

true

[tame lodge]

Too bad
H1 spam

[crimson wyvern]

Im guessing now hotshot is fixed its not worth using

[unreal nova]

Useless now much.

[faint beacon]

I mean without the unintended feature it was incredibly mediocre at best

[crimson wyvern]

yeah ive just been using surgical and sustained fire for the longest time

its just sometimes fun to try new things

[covert dagger]

We’re not here to have fun!

[unreal forge]

is hotshot useless now

shame

[crimson wyvern]

#veteran-class message

[covert dagger]

We are here to play at the highest difficulties only with the most numerically efficient theorycraft builds.

Why else would you play a game with a vast variety of levels and weapons.

[unreal forge]

bully club is legitimately just insane
i spent the past month pretty much pickaxe only, switched to bully club yesterday to help a friend climb and it made the pickaxe I'd mastered look like a joke by comparison

[mortal aspen]

and it actually has a fun moveset

[atomic void]

its the ultimate light spam stick

[mortal aspen]

you just don't need to use it

xdd

[atomic void]

u can play what you want man

its just some stuff doesnt work the higher u go

[mortal aspen]

pushattack single target combo, heavy light sweep combo, slap

[tall nest]

You play a game with vast variety to theory craft to your best playstyle at which point you join a game to have fun and see two ogryn rumblers in your team. :)

[sonic kayak]

Wait until you try the ol' slap and clap

[covert dagger]

I like rumblers. They pulp baddies in a hilarious shower of gore.

[mortal aspen]

it's not about builds or theorycrafting
holding block is doing nothing

[sonic kayak]

Also

It's Ogryn

[unreal forge]

when I started this game I thought the idea was to use FNP with shield to be even tankier

[sonic kayak]

They're extremely bloodthirsty

Not attacking is doing a disservice to your class

[unreal forge]

sadly FNP is just useless

[sonic kayak]

Even more than anyone else

[void dragon]

Idk, the capacity to survive more and so being more aggressive with your positioning isn't that bad if you ask me

[unreal forge]

the way it requires an extra node just so you have a way to consistently get the stacks bad is bad

and the fact it provides 0 offensive capabilities is also very bad

or rather, 0 damage talents

[sonic kayak]

It's very slept on but most people are more interested in the damage

[void dragon]

You don't need it if you aren't stupid and decisive

[unreal forge]

also most of the keystone is dead because the toughness replenishment is only for coherency iirc

[grand perch]

One easy Hotshot fix would be to make it give the "cleaves through armour" attribute

Delete entire stacked crusher waves

[unreal forge]

that'd be based

too based for FS

[void dragon]

Not anymore iirc

[mortal aspen]

I don't think FNP is bad on its own, but compared to Forceful it's sad

and also Heavy Hitter is just so good

[mortal aspen]

not anymore

[sonic kayak]

It's not, and honestly? you don't really get penalized for taking it over FNP

[unreal forge]

forceful is the evolution of FNP, execution order is the evolution of disrupt destiny, and Terminus Warrant is a regression of Weapon Specialist lel

[sonic kayak]

Between all of your DR nodes, plus the TDR from HH, plus NHF, you already get a lot of DR passively

[tall nest]

I like playing orgyn but i also like my fps to stay and not have a panic attack everytime i press left click or throw a nade

[unreal forge]

and your inherent 40% TDR

being tankier is never bad

but compared to all the damage you're missing out, it's bad in this case

[mortal aspen]

HH is also giga cleave or giga stagger

I don't think the bully club has good cleave on its own

[void dragon]

I don't think it needs much cleave, considering how much it staggers enemies

[sonic kayak]

Only thing I'd consider cleave for is Rampage tbh

[heavy rover]

@tall torrent for both helbore mk III and mk iv, is there any benefit running, say, elite damage over unarmoured damage? Or would it be better to stick to unarmoured?

[sonic kayak]

That shit is annoying

[mortal aspen]

horde clear is not that great in havoc, imo

stagger doesn't kill

[void dragon]

But light spam of bleed kills everything anyway, and you can hold a line like nobody's business

Team can shoot to their hearths desires

[crimson wyvern]

There is always at the back of my mind the arguement of "Why kill if they just respawn again, surely there is a limit of X on how many enemies can be out at once, so staggering theortetically should be better than a straight up kill"

But my eyes glaze over just trying to compartmentalize how that plays out in truth

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-finally-someone-who-speaks-english-captain-america-tony-stark-gif-17147260

[void dragon]

Question: how inferior is Heavy attack Vs light spam on the bully club? Percent wise

[tame lodge]

Yes

[sonic kayak]

Fight a crusher in the Psykhanium and time yourself

Light spam will kill one in like 4 hits iirc

[unreal forge]

level 33 veteran on xbox runs up to me just as I finish making my loadout and invites me and the psyker next to me to join his maelstrom

cute

[boreal goblet]

Mutant Roar

[void dragon]

Will have to do it this evening with a horde of maulers/crushers

[sonic kayak]

I go for impact because of my stunlock builds + more ogryn weapon cleave profiles aren't that spectacular anyways, except for the picks which are their own category, and the Shield's H2 which has it's own infinite cleave

The only thing that noticably slows me down is Rampage

[tame lodge]

At the same time most of your melee are already good at stagger

So which way Atoman Big Man

[sonic kayak]

It's good but not enough for stunlocking

That's the funny thing with choice innit

[covert dagger]

Isn’t max level 30?

[unreal forge]

im using a mod that shows what your level would be above 30

[steep flower]

But it saves you & your team; with no stagger you get overwhelmed & you lose

[covert dagger]

I love how we’re putting down people for being so low level one needs a mod to see it. L

[unreal forge]

absolutely

there's only so much DPS you can dish out before your space is overtaken

[steep flower]

Tbh; there is very little difference in horde clear between auric & havoc
chaf does not matter; what comes with it does

[tame lodge]

It's always right to judge people based on unreliable not base game features

[zenith scaffold]

max is 30 yea but theres a pseudo-level system after

[steep flower]

Thats why Final Toll modifier is considered the hardest and for a good reason

[unreal forge]

if I could I'd never play that modifier again

[covert dagger]

Well. Those scrubs better get on meeting those pseudo expectations that the designers didn’t give players in the first place.

[tame lodge]

Bro's struggling to fight half dead enemies

[steep flower]

Its havoc clearance level; base level is 30 & it stands for how good you can make your gear, how many talent points you get & what weapons you unlocked nothing more

[zenith scaffold]

pseudo-level as stated

[sudden cedar]

Havoc Clearance is not a pseudo-level

[zenith scaffold]

god emperor are they rage-baiting me

[tame lodge]

I think they are referring to true level shenanigans

[sudden cedar]

Maybe?

[red fox]

Lol did hotshot literally just get fixed and removed from melee

that's hilarous

[steep flower]

I’m not i’m dead serious

[sudden cedar]

Difficult to tell when things aren't very clear.

@steep flower I know you are.

[tame lodge]

Helby can't be good at everything

It'll break the game

Oh yeah gotta hit up path

Eh

[sudden cedar]

To be precise. The base game used to have one number. Level 30. This now indicates what kind of features of the game and class you have access to.

[tame lodge]

Path will probably see it

[calm shard]

oh man that blessing is dead now

[covert dagger]

Maybe more breakpoint formulas would help clarify.

Or fat shark could remove all weapons except for the duelling sword and plasma.

That’d be way better. And constantly stick it on auric.

[sudden cedar]

You will level after that, but that is not shown ingame, a mod is used to show what level you would be. Simply indicating the time you spent with that character.

Higher True level is usually associated with more skill.

Not always.

Havoc Clearance level will replace your normal level once you have completed a Havoc Mission.

It will show your highest cleared Havoc Mission.

Thus it can go up to 40.

A higher Havoc Level is also usually associated with more skill.

Not always.

[covert dagger]

Think I’ve played one havoc.

[calm shard]

The Havoc Titles are also associated with more skill

Not always

[sudden cedar]

To gauge if someone is invited to a Havoc mission True Level and Havoc Clearance rank may be used.

In addition to titles, as stated above.

[covert dagger]

Like the ASS title? All skill?

[sudden cedar]

In a perfect world, yes.

[covert dagger]

lol.

[sudden cedar]

Sad truth is, many people cheesed it by avoiding the challenge.

[atomic void]

nah i have true survivor and im nowhere near being good

[sudden cedar]

And thus it is considered void in terms of representation.

[atomic void]

i'd say im mid at best

[sudden cedar]

In fact, most ASS are literally ass.

[ember nest]

ASS > No title

I didn't get into like any havocs until I got ASS

It was really annoying

[atomic void]

i got my ASS by sweating for five games in a row
i more than earned it

[ember nest]

They only want me for my ASS

[steep flower]

Not always; many good players don’t put even a ‘reject’ title on

[atomic void]

titles dont mean shit

its just decoration

[sudden cedar]

The very widespread phenomena of people leaving when the slightest thing goes wrong is unfortunately not limited to any difficulty or title.

[ember nest]

I mean if they have havoc 40 then yeah

But if you're starting out lol

[sudden cedar]

Titles mean what one person attributes and sees in that title.

[steep flower]

Best is to block them; trash belongs in a bin not in a good lobby

[sudden cedar]

I am proud of my Auric Storm Survivor when i had it, because i knew i have gone through the challenge.

What others think i don't really care about.

[ember nest]

Same here

[sudden cedar]

Same goes for True Survivor.

I will not brag, i will not think higher of myself because of it.

[steep flower]

You’re an ASS and i like you

[covert dagger]

For someone who doesn’t care we sure have opinions on how other people ought to play.

[sudden cedar]

I will do whatever it takes to save someone if i can.

That is an opinion.

Everyone is free to voice their opinion.

Forcing your opinion on someone else, that is the problem.

I say, Mortis Trials teach bad habits.

That is a statement.

Not a declaration of "you must play this or that way"

[covert dagger]

No judgement there at all.

[steep flower]

And an opinion

[sudden cedar]

If you want to go into an Auric Maelstrom with your Recon Lasgun and hold down the trigger till your powercell goes empty, be my guest.

[covert dagger]

“Bad habits” isn’t at all a value judgement you think?

[sudden cedar]

Of course it is a judgement.

Wasting ammo on nonsense chaff is objectively a bad thing.

Yet, you can continue to do so.

If we would be in a situation where no one is allowed to voice their opinion, we'd have no discussion about it.

[covert dagger]

I bet you’re fun at parties.

[sudden cedar]

We would never get anywhere.

[steep flower]

Basically; being bad in a game & making bad decisions is a choice; same for getting better

[sudden cedar]

If i'd go to parties, i surely would.

That was a joke.

🥁

If we aren't allowed to have opinions and voice them.. where would we be now?

[void dragon]

HOLLY MOLLY! tried the experiment and with bleed the light spam is 36% better than heavy, but without bleed its 68% better in favour of light spam! really heavy attacks feel left behind

[sudden cedar]

You may not disagree with any of what i said. And that is fine.

That is freedom of speech and thought.

Agree to disagree.

[covert dagger]

I didn’t expect “freeze peach” in this. Grats.

[void dragon]

Freedom? In my Warhammer?

[steep flower]

We both are; trust me compadre - seen such a comment of yours plenty of times and with all due respect ppl who typed/spoken such words were… not so great but it is what it is; dunno how you’re faring, can always and willingly so find out

[sudden cedar]

And while we are at it, iam going to fire back now.

[covert dagger]

Yay!

[steep flower]

I am serious btw; wanna play we can play
So long as a discussion is established and there will be no hissy fits (like some ppl i had a pleasure of interacting with)

[sudden cedar]

The way you have been responding to me indicates that you don't seem to have anything meaningful and productive to say in response.

[sonic kayak]

There's a reason it's so "beloved" by everyone

Remember, the number one enemy of your average Darktide player: Effort

[tame lodge]

The 2 most sauceless weapons

This would be my 13th reason

[void dragon]

I get that it's a light spam weapon but GOLLY heavy attacks should not lag this hard!

[sudden cedar]

But it is what it is. You have your opinion and i have mine.

[steep flower]

If i wanted to eat pasta alone i would but i want me sause

[sonic kayak]

Wait until you try the Mk 2's hidden attack with extra finesse

[covert dagger]

Don’t underestimate Arabiata Pasta.

No sauce. But bomb.

[sonic kayak]

Special (Or PA iirc) > double light

[steep flower]

Is it an actual dish?

[void dragon]

You mean the slap-punch-wack combo? It is one of my favourite ones

[sonic kayak]

The second light attack is massive big boi damage

No no, not that one

[sonic kayak]

If you do a second light attack to the punch you do a weird overhead

[covert dagger]

It’s spaghetti in light oil, with pepper flakes and a lot of garlic.

If I recall right. That’s how I make it.

[void dragon]

Yeah, that's the wack, it lobotomizes enemies on pair of the high cc combo of the slap punch

[sonic kayak]

Oh I misread

That's my bad

[void dragon]

Actually quite enjoyable if you ask me

[sonic kayak]

You said it, "slap-punch-wack"

[void dragon]

Still, would want that Heavy attacks weren't this outpaced

[tame lodge]

Bashers PA Light Heavy combo

[unreal nova]

But but, ASS is more luck.

[void dragon]

That's the "thy are nail" combo, super satisfying to wack some fool with it

[soft trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/hazzeron-donkey-small-gif-23625757

[unreal forge]

worth the 30 minutes of boredom

[red portal]

Car-ring

[boreal goblet]

anyone with ASS i assume is going to either A) Run off and die,
or B)
Watch their friend go down and then Die,
Or C) Leave in the first 30 Seconds of a Match on Auric because didn't dodge a Crusher overhead

[sudden cedar]

That is the reputation that the title has, unfortunately.

[boreal goblet]

Deserved

[sudden cedar]

The title does not deserve it.

[red portal]

Because it's not really a difficult title to get anymore.

[unreal nova]

Or someone who used to be crazy at scurrying and skittering around to usually be hard to kill even on vet while everyone else murdered a path.

[sudden cedar]

@red portal i beg to differ, seeing some of the players that run around in those missions.

[unreal nova]

Stares at arby.

[red portal]

I ran some maelstroms with book zealot and knife and my reaction the entire time was "where are all the enemies I'm not even able to get uptime on my blazing piety."

[unreal nova]

I did it on vet and zeal tbh. Just wanted to ensure the last win with too many wounds and until death, lul.

[sonic kayak]

Nothing wrong with being ASS

Speaking of leaving after going down from a Crusher overhead

Had that happen to me in H40 like 3 times now

That is just hilarious

One guy got launched off the map from a PlOgryn and he left

[red portal]

I have havoc forged and true survivor but not ASS yet( I am one game off)

[sonic kayak]

I just run my trusty Poxbreaker

I earned that shit through my own sweat and tears, why hide it

[void dragon]

He better count himself lucky, can't count the times my own team sent me to a barrel space program to my death

[red portal]

I'm kinda tempted to just never get the title.

[unreal nova]

To be fair, I play mostly premade. Ppl seeing my build and lvl is nearly an instant reject anyway.

[unreal nova]

Throw the last win?

[sonic kayak]

For me, I generally go by "one of each class" for my H40s

I don't really care about clearance and build

[red portal]

I wouldn't need to go that far just never play maelstrom's agian

That way I can never accidentally get it lol

[sonic kayak]

Except Arbies, I haven't seen a good one in H40 yet

[unreal nova]

Ah.

[sudden cedar]

I know a good Arbitrator for H40.

[red portal]

I have gotten accepted to every party finder lobby I join

[unreal nova]

Points at Chaos.

[sonic kayak]

Who?

[void dragon]

Honestly, the metrics to define if a payer is garbo is not even their builds, I saw good builds being piloted like hot trash

[sonic kayak]

Exactly

Like your average flame bubble Psyker

[unreal nova]

@grizzled pebble Points.

[void dragon]

Amazing build, people just are TERRIBLE at piloting it while surviving

[sonic kayak]

Don't even know the guy

[unreal nova]

Oh, right, you aren't on psyker mains much...

[sonic kayak]

Yeah I'm a Zealot main so

[void dragon]

Sparkhead dude, quite good, but didn't see him as arby

[red portal]

Ainz plays a lot of arbites

[void dragon]

I assume it's better because Arby is busted

[red portal]

Dash or book?

[unreal nova]

He does it for boss damage. We only swapped cos things wasn't working out and dog is still better than me at damage.

I just need to slam that Disco ball.

[sonic kayak]

Same as a machine or car IRL; Just because it has a big price tag or fun stats on paper doesn't mean you know how to handle it

[unreal nova]

And let puppo run around.

[void dragon]

All the fixes just gonna make Arby more busted (also, Karien, you aren't better than dog but we love ya anyway)

[grizzled pebble]

Impossible

[sonic kayak]

Oh, good day Mr. SanctionedPsyker!

[unreal nova]

Lies.

[grizzled pebble]

I dont know any arbysbeefsandwich

[void dragon]

Agent is a mythomaniac like Karien and her carry skills?

[sudden cedar]

@sonic kayak @steep flower Him.

[unreal nova]

That is his Arby btw, FortheMaster is his Zealot.

[sonic kayak]

Me? What did I win?

[void dragon]

Cor

[sudden cedar]

Not you.

@steep flower He/him.

[sonic kayak]

[sudden cedar]

But you can have a cookie.

[void dragon]

Latrine duty

[sudden cedar]

🍪

[sonic kayak]

I'll take it, thanks

[unreal nova]

Cor?

[sonic kayak]

Been there, not so bad

[void dragon]

Ogryn dictionary: cor = cool

[void dragon]

I have me shovel for it

[sonic kayak]

It's British English for basically "oh no shit?"

[normal bay]

I love how Br't'sh slang is automatically Ogryn slang

[sonic kayak]

But not the rhetorical no shit, like the excited or interested no shit

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[void dragon]

We all learn by watching the ogryns

[ember nest]

does this affect kills

[tame lodge]

Nope

Only Cohen

Verdict: Below F tier

[sonic kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-11921214552232378581

[calm shard]

Coherency regen only

[mortal aspen]

Havoc has more mass -> horde clear is worse

that yellow mod also makes mobs harder to cleave, right?

[ember nest]

aww dangit

[mortal aspen]

I fared much better with cleave on HH than stagger

[ember nest]

I'm doing a bad idea class rn will report back to share how it goes

surely this will work out

[mortal aspen]

0.5 more corehency toughness per second

[tame lodge]

I think it doesn't change mass

[hollow ibex]

Rip

[sudden cedar]

[unreal nova]

What did I just see?

[void dragon]

heresy made a build

[unreal nova]

And I thought my builds were suspect...

[mortal aspen]

no grenade regen 💀

[void dragon]

I told you Karien, you are WAAAAAY above the curve

[calm shard]

Okay so they not only nerfed it big time. They fixed the bug that was the only reason anybody ever used it to begin with

[steep flower]

Nope if you consider stagger

[unreal nova]

No, my oggy builds will send you off Gloriana.

[sudden cedar]

being send off Gloriana is a skill issue.

[unreal nova]

I mean it will make you pen dump DS5 yourself off.

[sudden cedar]

it will.. what?

[steep flower]

I think you played as i was an arby; Am i a joke to you?!

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Apparently you are.

[unreal nova]

Penetration dump Dueling Sword 5. With WS stack or IJ stacks.

[ember nest]

its owrking

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova Luckily i don't use that weapon.

[sonic kayak]

Ohhh I get what you were pinging me for then, you were replying to me

[sonic kayak]

tbh? Forgot

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[steep flower]

I was using that chainsword build

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower You are unremarkable...

[sonic kayak]

Yeah I remember now

I forgot

[unreal nova]

I just mean funni way of commiting sudoku!

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova I won't do that.

[unreal nova]

When you see my fantastic oggy build...

[steep flower]

I have 1 more build with nuncio you haven’t seen

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova You do you.

Does it have the Disco Aquila tho?

[steep flower]

9 stamina oggy

[unreal nova]

You know my oggy builds.

[steep flower]

No cause in order to use it i have to install audio plugin mods

[sudden cedar]

I see.

@unreal nova On Gloriana i let everyone else have their fill before i advance. Usually that means all barrels are gone already.

[unreal nova]

I just meant choosing to dodge yourself off that see the horror of +9 stam, CDR, Stam Regen and Toughness. And this talent. Also, it's Slab and kickback.

[sudden cedar]

Okay.. and?

I don't see the point of being shocked.

[unreal nova]

Oh... @steep flower HALP.

[sudden cedar]

🤔

[steep flower]

What is it my child?

[ember nest]

this would work better if the servers would fucking cooperate

[steep flower]

I usually choose not to play on the day the updates/patches come out; saves ones nerves

[unreal nova]

Not getting a traumatised reaction...

[steep flower]

Thats Eve we’re talking about; hes from the land of the stern; honestly not surprised

Only Pinocchio jokes get him

[ember nest]

I'm sure there's something not optimal about it but it just looks like "taunt but with more TDR for some reason"

[steep flower]

And gas

[steep flower]

You are correct

[ember nest]

LOL

[unreal nova]

Wot.

[steep flower]

It has ALL the stamina related buffs one can take

[ember nest]

the only damage I took was the servers freaking out into two consecutive trappers

[steep flower]

Ask eve he’ll tell you more

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Now now, iam not Radovid.

[ember nest]

oh power DI crashed

is there a way to see how much toughness I regened

okay second run now with this lasgun

[unreal nova]

Look, you get 4 free hedbonks... More technically just patking.

[unreal nova]

Radovid?

[sudden cedar]

Radovid the Stern, King of Redania.

ahem

The Witcher Universe.

[grand perch]

He probably dead tho

[unreal nova]

Oh. Still confused.

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch Depending on whatever the official version will be, yeah.

[unreal nova]

As in, the Pinocchio bit.

[sudden cedar]

Just some weird ramblings he came up with.

[sudden cedar]

[grand perch]

who could bring themselves to betray Vernon BROche for that slimey PoS Dijkstra

[gilded wraith]

Fare thee well Hot Shot!

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch Exactly.

[ember nest]

I was foing well

but it appears this fuckass arbites doesn't know how to play so I got flamered into a corner

[sudden cedar]

@grand perch Also..i have to admit, i really like Emhyr var Emreis.

[ember nest]

on another note, this thing kinda ass

[sudden cedar]

Emhyr var Emreis Deithwen Addan yn Carn aep Morvudd

To be exact.

[mortal aspen]

Emhyr is a good guy, he really likes his daughter

[tame lodge]

Why's your xiv hitting for 90 damage

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[ember nest]

?

wait what the hell

I dunno it went back to 141 though

???????

[tame lodge]

Yeah exactly what I was asking

[buoyant pewter]

I'm...lost too on that

What in the world

[ember nest]

which infantry las would yall yes

*ues

[tame lodge]

2b

Or 7

[ember nest]

infernus and headhunter I'm guessing?

Any special considerations for perks?

[tame lodge]

Good old Flakiacs

[ember nest]

as is written 🙏

[buoyant pewter]

I like the IIB

It's by far my fav

And yee, Flakiacs

[ember nest]

god I wish the infantry had no visual recoil

I reminded myself of what I hated about it and I ended up turning off screenshake

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah I've felt the Lasguns shouldn't have much if any actual recoil

Leave that for the autoguns

And Bolters

If they need something to 'visually' disturb your vision to represent it firing, can just up the flash from the muzzle cause it is a laser flash

[ember nest]

not only did they ad recoil

there's a FUCKLOAD of screenshake too

which I would say is arguably worse than the recoil itself

[buoyant pewter]

Yeaaaaaaaaaah, agreed

These are basically super power laser pointers (not exactly but close), so there should be little to no visual stuff like that.

I get it, its to represent gun go bang

But we have that with a ton of other stuff

[ember nest]

@tame lodgewould u put laspistol above or below infantry las

[tame lodge]

Above

Better finesse scaling

[ember nest]

same perks I'm assuming?

[tame lodge]

Unless you're going for bosses

[ember nest]

iirc it's stab for the 2 and mob for the other right

[tame lodge]

Then it's Unyielding

For Infernus reasons

[ember nest]

thank you wise higui

[buoyant pewter]

Also doesn't it have way better overall dodge and movespeed so its better for weaving in and out of hordes in those situations?

It's basically pocket las-rifle but better

[narrow widget]

both are bad for ur wrists

[ember nest]

behold, skitarius

(autofire accessibility should have been in the game ages ago)

[magic trout]

Anyone else getting a CTD using executioner stance?

[steep flower]

OI! Not weird; uncanny - lets be civil if we gonna dismiss ppl okay?!

[ember nest]

now that I think of it
they could probably just give the las weapons a more aggressive stance

[covert fable]

jojo stance

[azure shell]

hey guys, could anyone suggest the tankiest veteran build, for getting auric storm survivor

[lean vine]

i respect the plan of gearing up to deal with it on your own but it's honest to god 20x easier with a squad

[azure shell]

I will look for a party but was curious to see what the most tanky build would be

[lean vine]

veteran in general is not that tanky, but 1x21% hp

• 2x17% toughness

power sword (to make up for the +3 stamina curio) and a bolter

shout

hide in smokes

[covert fable]

If u want to be tanky take those perks

I prob missed some idk

[lean vine]

👍🏼 that ^

[azure shell]

what about keystone

[lean vine]

and the shout left keystone for +50 extra gold toughness

[azure shell]

focus target with target down

or weapon specialist

with On Your Toes

[covert fable]

Focus target prob and snipe with plasma

[lean vine]

Close Order Drill

Gain ×89% TDR (3 stacks)

Covering Fire

Killing an enemy with a ranged attack provides
allies within 5m of that enemy 15% of their max
toughness and +10% T.dmg for 3s.

does that count?

i think that's about it...

[azure shell]

ty!

[lean vine]

but like Exo said Iron Will is mandatory

it's free real estate

hey they fixed the Arbiter keystones

[half glade]

Anybody knows how scoreboard mod decides which kills to make whose, for its kill counters? Like, is it who dealt the final blow, or who dealt the most damage, or some other method?

[lean vine]

why do i feel like those people that clap when their plane lands...

i feel dumb for wanting to do it xD

[lean vine]

final blow

or dot effect that takes them down

[half glade]

I see, ty

[lean vine]

anytime dude

[magic trout]

They dont stack

[hollow wadi]

i want to use the sapper shovel VII, i want to use it for horde and armored enemies. does it need rending+ on the talent menu. as it already has high penetration, would it make much of a different? im also just trying to figure out when to use rending+ or % for melee weapons and when not to use it for other

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Shovel Expert required

[orchid hemlock]

@tall torrent

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/FvY1TJEmkV

[tame lodge]

First mistake

Reddit

[narrow widget]

there is no helbore in Ba Sing Se

[sudden cedar]

@tame lodge Reddit is fun for the best hot takes of people. Like Psyker being bad.

[tame lodge]

Reddit propaganda

[narrow widget]

the helbore propaganda posting will continue until there are none left to hear it

[tame lodge]

Psyker is bad because it can't take a hit is also one of the takes ever

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[sudden cedar]

Yeah

[narrow widget]

lowk it's a fine take when talking about lower skill levels cuz you can't expect them to be able to dodge everything

[frosty raft]

Any broken Veteran Builds other that magdumping bolter, plasma or boltpistol grenadier ?

[tame lodge]

Helbore

Rashad

[orchid hemlock]

Where is my Recon? 😞

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-reduced-to-atoms-thanos-gif-22903506

[crimson wyvern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1mtvhy8/why_dose_the_coolest_looking_lasgun_have_to_be_so/

im sometimes convinced Reddit lives in a different universe of this game than we do

[orchid hemlock]

Just posted this 😞

[tame lodge]

First mistake

[frosty raft]

No autogun stuff ?

[tame lodge]

Reddit

[tame lodge]

Vraks5 is the dps monster

[orchid hemlock]

Autogun Deez 😈

[crimson wyvern]

ah sorry

[orchid hemlock]

Redditors spreading misinformation like they are the CIA

[crimson wyvern]

I mean with enough whineing maybe we'll just keep getting buffs to the hellbore randomly just like the Devils Claw

[frosty raft]

The fuck is Varks5 ?

oh infantry autogun

[narrow widget]

used to be Columnus iirc

or no was that a different one

[orchid hemlock]

I honestly don't care what Vets take tbh

I just wish they FUCKING KILL THE SPECIALISTS

[tame lodge]

Columnus became Vraks

[tame lodge]

Buff everything but the actual problem

😭

[crimson wyvern]

And soon they'll "nerf" the dueling sword by giving it devil claws only gimmick

hahahaha

crying

[narrow widget]

make bolter one tap everything fartshart

[tame lodge]

That's Helbore already

[red robin]

damn

hotshot fixed

blowing my head off

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936

[sudden cedar]

Quite funny to see

[buoyant pewter]

This

[steep flower]

Ay

[steep flower]

I can show ya everything in a moment, coming home

[hollow wadi]

alrighty!!! thank you very much!

[unreal forge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fab39b8-0303-4e42-89a4-672b948e7372/single-best-veteran-build

[hybrid plover]

Dueling sword and Helbore.

[unreal forge]

what of it

[hybrid plover]

Dueling sword isn't the greatest idea to complement something like the Helbore tbh

Plasma, definitely.

[unreal forge]

I've tried others and guess what happened

the DS4 outperformed them

[hybrid plover]

The Ds4, outperformed, the power sword?

[covert fable]

Heavy sword would he nice for hordes

Since u got high single target damage already

[unreal forge]

Piss sword is outperformed by any melee that doesn't need to be activated every 3 swings

[covert fable]

.

[unreal forge]

I get tired of wrangling that melee after 1 game

but it is good

[hybrid plover]

Thats what I'm saying like. It's all single target.

[unreal forge]

hordes aren't killing me

so I think it's fine

[steep flower]

Does 'Keep their heads down' achieve any supression breakpoints? if no; use born leader

[covert fable]

Hordes can be a nuisance tho

[void dragon]

You think the DBshotgun + DishonestSword are the best pair? Feels that both compliment eachother quite well

[covert fable]

With a dueling sword

[unreal forge]

what's killing me is being overtaken by rushing armor and ragers I can't kill fast enough with the Helbore

and DS4 has that good stab that interrupts both

[steep flower]

soon to be parry

[unreal forge]

It does

[steep flower]

[steep flower]

on who

[void dragon]

SOON(TM)

[covert fable]

What

[unreal forge]

gunners in general flee more consistently

[sharp epoch]

knofe or ds are prob the best you just need them to reposition and survive

[unreal forge]

this^

[steep flower]

@hollow wadi I'm back! https://discord.gg/K2nkCgwg

[void dragon]

There was a leak of DS nerfs, one of the changes was removing the special for a parry like the Devil claw blades

[sharp epoch]

you gotta rely on your team to hordeclear though

[covert fable]

Prob not a good idea in random games

[sharp epoch]

havoc theres atleast always someone on that job so its fine there

[unreal forge]

yes dude I need a horde clear melee when I have a inferno staff psyker and a rumbler ogryn

[void dragon]

Unless you run a DBarrel shotgun and you also do housekeeping

[covert fable]

It's always good to have one good single target and good horde clear

[sharp epoch]

well this is specifically talking about helbore ds build

[tropic notch]

I pair it with the mk5

[unreal forge]

DS4 and frags and teammates are good enough horde clear, the other benefits of it outdo the benefit of a pure horde clear weapon

[void dragon]

Even as a safety stick the DS delivers

[tropic notch]

Ds4 I sleep

[unreal forge]

I'm not playing Vet for the melee

[void dragon]

I have a build like that, it's disgustingly safe and can hordeclear for days

[steep flower]

CHAINAXE

[sharp epoch]

agile on ds just makes you basically invincible against horde too

[steep flower]

Actually; do try chainaxe with that build; you'll have nice single target

[unreal forge]

Agile on Vet specifically is so good

[covert fable]

Agile tac axe is amazing

[unreal forge]

that requires sacrificing BM or Headtaker </3

Teammates can do the horde clear if I can kill all the specialists that would stop them from horde clearing
The last thing I want to do as a Vet is pull out my melee to kill poxwalkers

just how I believe the class works best

[hybrid plover]

I use combat knife with Helbore

[sharp epoch]

yeah it works the same you just use the mobillity to get back to team

[hybrid plover]

I feel that's better just because the knife actually does have the means to horde clear when you need it to

[covert fable]

True

[crimson wyvern]

been a while since I've had such a toxic 1000k+ true level be this toxic

reported him

[unreal forge]

xd

@steep flower can I join you guys

[steep flower]

sure i just explain shovels

[mortal aspen]

wut

[covert fable]

Shovel lecture with popop

[sudden cedar]

@crimson wyvern What went wrong with him

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flightreacts-tongue-tongue-laugh-gif-13724048537815479089

[tropic notch]

Meme vet

Recon vets be so silly

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/itachi-uchiha-ragebait-ragebait-of-this-level-ragebait-of-this-level-has-no-effect-on-me-gif-7187797612453609971

Generalist >

[crimson wyvern]

Two true levels, 80, 111 respectively picked up both grims on the mission. The psyker that was true level 1800 was upset with this, despite him playing forward and not with anyone and not dying/killing everything.

Not fully aware why this is an issue for someone thats simply better than everyone else with no need for health as pysker

I was being quiet as true level 201 vet and just outburst when mission was over

he let both of them die at the end by not destroying the cannisters at the end of dark communinion till they both died

[sudden cedar]

Well...the issue is generally that Grimoires add corruption over time.

[crimson wyvern]

He never fell below his half health

[sudden cedar]

Hold.

[crimson wyvern]

?

[sudden cedar]

Okay.

What i wanted to say was.

They picked up grims and that adds corruption.

Meaning, not only do they endanger themselves, but also the others.

More corruption is higher risk of just getting oneshot, exspecially when you don't have Until Death like a Zealot.

HOWEVER

That does not justify such a reaction.

[hybrid plover]

It isn't surprising that the Psyker's the one spazzing out honestly.

I'll be real. Like I get the risk of having a grimoire. But being that high level like. What reason is there to be this mad lol

[crimson wyvern]

I don't...I cant...Why would I take the game that seriously at that-

Knife Gremlin took the words out of my mouth

what more do you want when you have the world

[red portal]

If you don't want randoms taking grims don't play with randoms

[crimson wyvern]

I'm level 200 on all 4 of my classes and 33 on the policeman, and I already feel like I've done everything

someone 4 times than on one class and still that serious about not dying

my god

[red portal]

I know someone who is true level 5k on zealot

[crimson wyvern]

Does he run book?

[red portal]

No stealth zealot he speedruns

[hybrid plover]

I know one who's 7.8k lol

Also usually a stealth zealot but he dips into Fury sometimes.

[crimson wyvern]

OH I should have also said

That Psyker dude in dark communion, in the ambush room and the chaos spawn spawned, he ran ahead forward and waiting in the elevator not interacting with the team or boss letting us have to kill it only till I realized what he was doing and brought the boss over to him in the elevator

Just completely toxic play all around

[red portal]

Average psyker

What was this auric maelstrom

?

[crimson wyvern]

Not Maelstrom just Auric, High Intensity Shock Troop iirc

I immediately turned on the new button to disable battle for tertium so

[hybrid plover]

What.

On a shock troop

[crimson wyvern]

I can probably pull up scoreboard one sec

was hunting grounds my b

[red portal]

But like I wouldn't mind if someone grabbed grims in aurics.

[hybrid plover]

THAT'S EVEN WORSE

Nah this psyker is trolling.

[red portal]

It's like I can walk through a non maelstrom no problem with grims.

[crimson wyvern]

He definately was not suffering lmao

Purge staff and every dog pack was his, all specials etc

[tall torrent]

I already saw this before

[tall torrent]

elite saves the need for superiority complex on IV

hotshot now only works on ranged weapon's attacks

doesn't apply to melee atks

[azure narwhal]

why is the mkv helbore considered to be better than the rest of its variants? new to this weapon, going to build it soon

[narrow frost]

one of the german twins

just block and ignore

[tall torrent]

IIIa and IV are considered the better variants atm due to breakpoint advantages

[azure narwhal]

oh really? i see

one more thing

how does the mk VIc recon lasgun hold?

i need funny green weapon for my funny green cadian

XII is peak but blue

[tall torrent]

pretty strong

debatably stronger than XII

[azure narwhal]

really now

well thanks

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/press-f-pay-respect-coffin-burial-gif-12855021

[azure narwhal]

i kind of wanted to hear that lol

most guides have been saying otherwise

[tall torrent]

I still think it's one of the better blessing picks

cuz IV allows u to kebab most low mass elites

and kill 2 in a single shot

[tame lodge]

If only there was better options

[tall torrent]

but if looking for dps prob sustained fire/WoF is best now

[tame lodge]

[azure narwhal]

what about shovel, it's the only weapon on vet i have no experience with as of yet. the MkIII kind of took my interest the most so far

[tall torrent]

gaslighting tier of melee weapons

[tame lodge]

It's mid

Which is crazy

[azure narwhal]

hmmm

[tame lodge]

Because it has peak blessings

Fatshark might as well give it BM for the giggles

[azure narwhal]

does the assault chainsword deserve the shade it gets, i see a similar response to it sometimes

but i mean... vet without assault chainsword is like pizza with nothin

[tame lodge]

As a big fan of the Xiiig

I'm going to say it's overhated

But I can not say it's top tier

[azure narwhal]

atp i think people just don't seem to like chainswords in general xd. talked down on the eviscerator, but after a day's practice it's goddamn great

just complicated

at least, compared to most

i'll give it a shot

what do you make of the other variant

(it's green soooo)

and i like the cloth handle strap, good design on this

[tame lodge]

I don't remember exactly what it has over the Xiiig

But I know it's pretty simple

Just heavies for hordes

Rev heavy for anything bigger

[azure narwhal]

neat

i'll give that a shot than, thank you both

planning to use this on the side, just needs mastering now

i've mained boltgun for way too long

brain fried with that

[tall torrent]

irrelevant, too low dmg

[tame lodge]

For the funny

[azure shell]

so I just unloaded full bolter mag into a line of elites on Rolling Steel and crashed

reconnected

did the same

and crashed AGAIN

error about buff list

lol

[calm shard]

imo worst melee in the game

if you are trying to kill literally anything that is not a poxwalker with it it is going to struggle

[covert fable]

it is quite tragic

[orchid hemlock]

The problem with the chainsword is what do you do when multiple Carapace enemies are on top of you?

[hollow ibex]

It’s ok on like ONE build lol

For aurics

[azure narwhal]

is it really that bad? i mean, my chainsword isn't even built, just has the right dump stat and it takes 2 revs on head for crushers

the evisceration process is unsafe for sure but you're not dead locked onto it

hmm can't say for certain though

[tall torrent]

yea the problem is the 2 rev

ur stuck in animation

while 6 ragers and 2 crushers swing at u

[azure narwhal]

fair, i guess zealot is diff story

with eviscerator there i just fotf to instakill and skip waiting

and it's spammable cause zealot

i can see how it's super hard to pull off here

which is unfortunate because it's a really sweet weapon

then again, perhaps in tangent with frags

throw one out, knock down cara horde, eviscerate away

(but this is obviously not consistent)

@tame lodge what do you think? you have tried this in practicality quite often. how would the pack of elites be approached?

[tame lodge]

Grenades and yelling really loud

[tall torrent]

doesn't kill carapace enemies quick enough to be safe given the stagger duration
and the weapon itself has no option to stagger multiple ragers at the same time

[orchid hemlock]

How long does it take to do those 2 revs?

[soft trellis]

10 hours minimum

[soft trellis]

[azure narwhal]

yeah understandable. unfortunate

hope it gets changes someday, chainswords are iconic after all

[narrow widget]

they should make you recover health from rev kills like a glory kill

[glacial yacht]

anyone know whats causing game to crash this patch? happened in my last h40 game when there was a shit load of enemies on screen

know of any other fix?

I'm gonna try it out myself

If you were in my h40 match on carnival sorry i crashed

and then crashed again

[hybrid plover]

I am

Astounded at how they managed to mess up a hot fix this bad

[jaunty tinsel]

Does the orthus hardmode skip not work anymore? Multiple games now I've hit the bell and no skip, also no skip if 2 or even everyone hits the bell

[hybrid plover]

Like the execution order thing was annoying but this is on the level of the Mettle bug but for literally every class lol

[glacial yacht]

That temporary buff bar fix seems to be working for me

[slow sky]

shovel gaming
purple orange

[hybrid plover]

lemme guess

skullcrusher uncanny double barrel

[slow sky]

decimator

not sc

[dapper pier]

How see this

[narrow frost]

2

[hybrid plover]

odamn

[tall torrent]

been getting blackscreens when entering missions

[grand perch]

Congratulations, you have been Black Shipped

[covert dagger]

Sorry, dealing with poxwalkers. And the mauler on top of me.

[barren cave]

Was rashad flak cara brutal momentum head taker

[tall torrent]

Unarmored carapace

[bleak oasis]

There a table somewhere to compare DPS and/or ammo efficiency between weapons?

[primal zealot]

paths guide is probably the most detailed weapon guide n closest to what ur looking for

[tall torrent]

AFAIK no
If there exists one it’s probably very skewed and not accurate

If u did actually do a full test like that there would be a lot of surprising results

[bleak oasis]

Kind of more less want a way of comparing marks of ranged weapons assuming the guns are stripped of their blessings and have identical dump stats

[primal zealot]

seems like a pointless exercise

[mortal aspen]

what for

raw numbers don't mean much

[tall torrent]

That’s not gonna mean much

[bleak oasis]

A comparison between recon las marks

[tall torrent]

Oh

They’re all really close

It depends on build tbh

[bleak oasis]

What kind of build variety would there be between the same type of weapon using different marks?

[mortal aspen]

moveset, damage into armor types, shooting modes etc.

different specials

[bleak oasis]

Like I said. I'm referring specifically to recon las

What moveset and special variety

[tall torrent]

XII, works with onslaught better (not that onslaught is specifically worth using, it just has the option)
VIc, can fit a bunch of builds
XIV, cleave is nice but u reload a lot more on avg

[bleak oasis]

Blessings don't seem to mean much between the marks.
Kind of why I want to know which mark is, for example, has the highest DPS, the one with the best ammo economy, and so on

[primal zealot]

if no such guide exists then its up to u to create

[bleak oasis]

The pain truly is self-inflicted.

[primal zealot]

do it for the emperor