veteran-class

[unreal bone]

It's normally a 30+ mob of crushers, maulers, and ragers with poxwalkers. Sometimes sprinkle in a trapper, mutie, or dog but they aren't a problem lol

Like I said I'll just try Engineer with Krak or go back to arbite for my last level, I'm only needing 1 completion for the border

[calm shard]

I don't know if kraks kill the event enemies because of the damage resist

[unreal bone]

They should, I haven't used kraks in forever but I'd be fucking appauled if they still didn't.

Make an armor focused event and make the anti-armor weapons not even do their job.

[calm shard]

I know Kraks stop killing havoc 40 crushers/bulwarks if you don't have grenade tinkerer

[unreal bone]

Actually nvm

that sounds exactly like fartshart

[calm shard]

Or well I've heard that's the case rather

And choose to believe it because Kraks are so fucking bad it just makes sense

[unreal bone]

I always run grenade tinkerer anyways.

When I go engineer I go engineer, I commit to the woe grenade spam be apon ye.

Normally run bpistol too but I was getting tired of it.

[calm shard]

yeah because Kraks are incapable of doing their one job consistently without Tinkerer

A problem Smokes share to be fair

[cyan verge]

to get back on topic

if you struggle with massed crushers

it's probably not the crushers at fault there

[barren cave]

kraks are terrible

im stuck with them because the krak penance is taking ages

im never using them again after I finish it

the absolute worst part about kraks, apart from the actual nade features itself, is they take so long to arm someone on your team kills the heavies before it goes off

making your nade a complete waste , and not getting you the kill

[cyan verge]

yeah for real

[barren cave]

fr

I have that one left, and the only other one i have left is the ws one

that ones taking surprisingly long too

dunno why they want me to get crit weakspot kills with weapon specialist active

but I like using ws, so I dont mind just using it

[unreal bone]

Normally I would agree, but there comes a point where there is so many crushers that a singular person can't chew threm all.

If you throw enough of ANYTHING you will just die

Wonder what store resale we're gonna get thursday

I would kill for the pay2win helbore skin ngl

[calm shard]

mmmmm

I'd agree but I imagine the number I'm thinking of when it comes to that is higher than yours

[pallid jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663756150709420034/1381717006503641199/T3.mp4?ex=6893ad3d&is=68925bbd&hm=f8891c474963363af22c6f81cbf3c19722042ed34fcd5d2c04cc78ee2e1ba3e7&

[tall torrent]

yes but not really relevant

[safe kestrel]

Yall know this guy?

[pallid jetty]

yall

[little path]

Should we?

[safe kestrel]

Idk I’m curious

[sudden cedar]

He might summon the Elector-Counts

[buoyant pewter]

Don't know'em.

[cyan verge]

just had some idiot leave after aggroing a daemonhost

[buoyant pewter]

Ah yes, the Pub Special

[cyan verge]

screwed me and derailed the entire mission

instant block tbh

[buoyant pewter]

I wish they would just jump off a ledge or something rather than abandon

Just reset and accept the fail and wait for the revive, at least

Rather than "oops I messed up time to ruin the game for others!"

[clever hedge]

For real, do the honorable thing and die quickly

[cyan verge]

after playing damnation all night, yeah okay in my region damnation is definitely where the shitters live

frustrating cuz I want to help a friend unlock auric but I don't want to have to literally carry the entire team on my back every mission

[buoyant pewter]

Sadly that will be a thing, especially with people doing the event right now.

[cyan verge]

yes

[late jungle]

quickplay keeps throwing me into the event missions and its so annoying

cus for some reason my teammates never know how to deal with them

[normal bay]

I've stopped using quickplay after the missions screen changes, too many campaign and event missions

Rolling steel seems to be up at all times yoo

[cyan verge]

for some reason like every mission I do is a campaign mission

[buoyant pewter]

Same. I usually use QP to just vibe after work, and I more often than not having to 3-rev on join.

[cyan verge]

I don't understand it at all tbh

[normal bay]

And auric is only ever HISTG

[buoyant pewter]

[late jungle]

true !

i dont rlly mind it

[cyan verge]

I mean it's fine it's just weird, how many people are doing campaigns, on auric?

also, auric modifiers don't even really matter to me since if your team is switched on it's effortless

if your team is not then if you ever personally go down your team is just done

[buoyant pewter]

I assume it's newer players

There has been a major influx of new players

[normal bay]

The campaign missions should scale difficulty better. They all feel like the difficulty below

I get it on uprising and malice but not damnation and auric lol

[cyan verge]

oh yeah that is a thing too

dare I say an exploit

[buoyant pewter]

Also, has anyone noticed Maelstroms feel dead since the Event start?

[cyan verge]

I don't think the auric campaign missions, have any other modifiers

cuz they have the forced campaign mod

by the way

there is a mod

that lets you just pick and choose and play any campaign mission you want at any difficulty you want whenever you want

no, not MMT

[buoyant pewter]

...another thing Thiccfish should have as a QoL update

[late jungle]

i was about to sayyyy

[normal bay]

Yes

Nobody joins once it leaves the board and they're only up for 30min

[late jungle]

stuff like true solo and replaying campaign should really just be

game features

[cyan verge]

no not those

[buoyant pewter]

Ah, plus people grinding out the event atop of that

[normal bay]

Only 10 events wins needed. Don't think the event is a big deal

[cyan verge]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/571 story replay there it is

[pallid jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663756150709420034/1382299430769922089/cursedthing.mp4?ex=6893d16a&is=68927fea&hm=ca77b9f3c5a7c8a06249a58769f71ded5b69f12c31a53e9841914a49643a2cfe&

[cyan verge]

so you get full rewards and you can pull in other players

[buoyant pewter]

Huh

Interesting

[unreal nova]

Problem is how overtuned they are.

They are both tougher AND faster than normal.

[buoyant pewter]

Lot of people are failing on those Aurics, at least the ones I am QP'ing into usually are with teams mostly down or the like at the first to second room.

[normal bay]

The basic rotten armour feels normal.

Hi-int seems bonkers

[unreal nova]

And you can get multiple waves that flank you even on just malice or uprising.

I just wanted to speed through it tbh.

[buoyant pewter]

Also hello Karien! I tried that build of yours, the Assail one.

[unreal nova]

They are so tanky, an uprising fart armour crusher is as tanky as a standard auric one.

[unreal nova]

So, was it viable?

I know is viable up to heresy.

[cyan verge]

tbh I am mostly bored by the event because you just have to deal with each pack of armor guys the same way every time

[unreal nova]

Is my meme joke build.

[cyan verge]

they seem to come in the same size pack every time basically

[buoyant pewter]

Took it into a H20 with a friend who I'm helping climb, it's a little rough, fell back on to the Deimos one-two stagger a lot.

[cyan verge]

and then you just deal with them and move on

[buoyant pewter]

It's fun though and assail-swapping is interesting

[late jungle]

tbf im not sure why it only says rotten armour and doesnt specify that it like

[unreal nova]

It was not made for havoc.

[late jungle]

spawns crushers and maulers in groups

[cyan verge]

yeah

[buoyant pewter]

Ah haaahhh

[cyan verge]

crushers, maulers, scab ragers

[unreal nova]

+9 stam alone tells you that.

[buoyant pewter]

I ran 1xT 1xHP 1xStam cause I didn't have my stam Curios setup

Still a lot of fun!

[unreal nova]

Ah, I will still suggest not having flame staff, but I have trauma with trauma and EK peril is crazy on this build.

[buoyant pewter]

Voidstrike maybe for the Flame in that slot?

I do like the Venting + Flame though as a fallback

[unreal nova]

Strike is awful for havoc. Also slow.

[unreal nova]

It exists for that... if I run out of shards.

[sudden cedar]

Can it be, Kari changed her avatar.

[buoyant pewter]

[unreal nova]

Is my vet. @young aspen drew it.

[buoyant pewter]

That's freaking sweet

[sudden cedar]

How nice.

[buoyant pewter]

THE OGRYN

HAHAHAHAH

[sudden cedar]

Ogryn with a duelling sword.

[buoyant pewter]

[normal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-mgs5-mgs-metal-gear-solid5-mgsv-gif-24773336

[unreal nova]

Licht said, my vet gave it to Krunt and said "It can kill gods."

[stoic thorn]

How do we even deal with the new event in auric

[unreal nova]

Shock mines on shock mines. Had to clutch so much.

[sudden cedar]

Overwhelming Firepower.

[stoic thorn]

I don't have arbites

I think owning 20 arbites model is enough

[sudden cedar]

Heads up for anyone who does not know, the Carapace Enemies are still Carapace Enemies.

[stoic thorn]

I should be getting the fucking dlc myself

[normal bay]

Pickaxe Ogryn and Lone wolf arbites melee w/ shock mines have worked best for me lol

[unreal nova]

Oggy armour delete.

[stoic thorn]

For owning 20 fucking arbites

So

As veterans

We can't do shit

[buoyant pewter]

I've used the Crit-Cannon version where you just be selfish for higher crit-chance possible for the double bolts and the like in Aurics, never tried in Havoc. Hmmm.

It also really does spike perils a lot too for what it outputs.

[sudden cedar]

Shredders, Power Sword, Voice of Command.

Plasma, Bolt Gun

[stoic thorn]

I run Shock Maul

And Bistol

[unreal nova]

They just have more DR the more hp they have.

[stoic thorn]

Because I like how they sound

[sudden cedar]

Yeah well perhaps change the loadout

or embrace the pain.

[normal bay]

No because your teammates have all brought infantry lasguns and melee weapons that are bad against armour

Even the zealot

[stoic thorn]

Exe stance plasma time

[sudden cedar]

How did you know i was running a Devil's Claw?

[stoic thorn]

Back to the bread and butter

Freedom is back on the table

[unreal nova]

No clue if it works with that build. I just play my psyker mostly in heresy. Why can say is fine up to there.

[buoyant pewter]

Fair enough

[stoic thorn]

I like Bistol Shock Maul

H1 Shmaul bonk :333

Spamming Shmaul heavies are so fun

[unreal nova]

When your psyker with a deimos is the only thing that can poke armour... I regret everything.

[stoic thorn]

Especially with uhh

Smite psyker teammate

+25% damage on electrocuted enemies is hella juicy woohoo

[normal bay]

At least your teammates are watching for armour from behind, right?

Right?!

[stoic thorn]

I got sandwiched by the event enemies

[normal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-vào-mặt-cái-cám-bonk-anime-bonk-meme-bonk-dog-gif-26069974

[stoic thorn]

I don't think my zealot can deal with the event

[buoyant pewter]

That one Crusher

[stoic thorn]

2018 wants its gif back

[buoyant pewter]

Can it take me back to 2018 with it?

[stoic thorn]

No

If you're not playing like you've got ultra instinct idk what to say

[sudden cedar]

Skill issue.

[buoyant pewter]

Frankly it feels like with more and more pubs I have to be team-dad and make sure everyones drinking water and not getting into trouble

[stoic thorn]

I use the torcher on hd2 bots

[unreal nova]

No. I'm the backline.

[stoic thorn]

I have the ultra instinct

[sudden cedar]

I think a lot of it comes from the fact that enemies just dont die that quickly.

[stoic thorn]

My asscheeks could box a berserker and dodge every swing and slice and stomp from it

[buoyant pewter]

I've even started running No One Left Behind just cause of how often I'm seeing downs

[unreal nova]

This is normal. On heresy, expect up to 7 waves of flanks.

[stoic thorn]

Yeah I'm not playing this event

[sudden cedar]

I feel like a lot of people are used to everything just dying and thus they never learn what to do when things don't just die.

[unreal nova]

So many crushers... shock mines best.

[stoic thorn]

My playstyle is not fit for this

[buoyant pewter]

And that one teleporting Poxwalker

[stoic thorn]

Wait

[sudden cedar]

Shock Mines are not required.

But any form of CC is preferred.

[late jungle]

dog booms better

[sudden cedar]

What i mean is, Shock Mines are not the be all and end all.

[unreal nova]

They are, when I need to solo and pick up the team at 300+ ping.

[buoyant pewter]

I love the dog but NO, SHOCKMINES ARE FRENS

[stoic thorn]

My ogryn with the shield and rumbler oh my goodness he could.do well in this armour economy

[sudden cedar]

Well that might be a you problem

[late jungle]

does shock mines job but better ..

[buoyant pewter]

I get to throw the frisbee Rue

[sudden cedar]

Limited charges and wacky controls

[buoyant pewter]

The Dance party frisbee

[late jungle]

tbf if ur not running the dog boom then ur probably lone wolf anyways .

[sudden cedar]

Shock Mines can be refilled with Grenade Pickups and you have almost total control over the placement

[buoyant pewter]

No one can take away my electric jig machine

[stoic thorn]

How good is bleed into carapcr

[normal bay]

Shock mines the 🐐

[late jungle]

which ur already just,, nerfing urself for no reason

[stoic thorn]

Box of boom

[sudden cedar]

Lone Wolf is completely viable.

[stoic thorn]

Rumbler with burn and bleed go

[buoyant pewter]

Terrible, run uncanny strike though and it becomes really good

[sudden cedar]

But i can understand that it requires better execution

[unreal nova]

Lights out and blind, great fun. Went from duo to a solo cos the other got blown up. Fun trying to clutch the tunnel before the final silo event with inf crushers.

[sudden cedar]

More skill to play like that

[late jungle]

lone wolf is viable because all arbites builds are viable

dog is just better i fear

[stoic thorn]

I don't like zealot and how fast I get fucking gunned down

[normal bay]

Lone wolf melee, Caxe is Obscene

[stoic thorn]

I'm dodging

[sudden cedar]

Are you dodge sliding?

[stoic thorn]

Try to

[buoyant pewter]

Is it mostly Gunners you're being burned down by?

[stoic thorn]

Gunners

[sudden cedar]

Are you running right up to them or are you trying to flank them?

[stoic thorn]

Yea

[buoyant pewter]

Run 3x Gunner Res, just to spite them

[stoic thorn]

What other option do I got

[sudden cedar]

Flank them.

[late jungle]

ur throwing knives .

that 1 tap gunners .

[stoic thorn]

I use fire booms

[sudden cedar]

Get in some form of cover

Ah

First mistake

[late jungle]

[sudden cedar]

Knifes.

[late jungle]

already straying from the ONLY zealot build

[stoic thorn]

Guh okay

[sudden cedar]

Which means you also drop the most important zealot perks.

[buoyant pewter]

If using Incens, run a revolver or something better at range

[stoic thorn]

I run flamer anyway I can give that up

[unreal nova]

Hey, I still can pull it off at times... just trauma...

[sudden cedar]

Unfortunately, Zealot right now does not allow much variety.

[stoic thorn]

Actually I don't really do ranged with zealot

[late jungle]

if ur running flamer then u absolutely want knives

[stoic thorn]

I got bistol bolter flamer

[buoyant pewter]

[orchid hemlock]

Zealot chat in MY vet chat??? 😡

[stoic thorn]

Double barrel shotgun

[sudden cedar]

Next mistake, you get a ranged and a melee weapon

You might as well use both of them.

[buoyant pewter]

Bolter Zealot yesssssssssssss

[late jungle]

i use taxe bolter zealot

😌

[unreal nova]

We had psyker chat just a few moments ago.

[sudden cedar]

Or you limited yourself and can't take care of one type of situation

[stoic thorn]

I use relic blade

[orchid hemlock]

Vet chat has fallen

[buoyant pewter]

I accidentally also brought Pysker hijinks into here, sorry Orcka

XD

[sudden cedar]

You use a slow weapon.

[unreal nova]

Is now Arby/Zealot.

[sudden cedar]

I don't say it is bad, just slow and thus requires better understanding to use to full effect.

[stoic thorn]

I think I should switch back to golden toughness instead of charging

[unreal nova]

Soon Oggy?

[sudden cedar]

No.

Charge is the way to go.

[stoic thorn]

what

[sudden cedar]

Chorus makes everything even worse.

[late jungle]

charge is very strong especially when u build for crits

methinks

[sudden cedar]

Because you can't do stuff yourself that well anymore

[orchid hemlock]

I will fight u all

[late jungle]

i mean crit builds alone are already basically just

[unreal nova]

Gold is more for havoc.

[steep flower]

For slow weapons yes

[late jungle]

perma 50% tdr

[stoic thorn]

I build for crits so I get chorus faster

[sudden cedar]

exspecially when you run a slow weapon

[buoyant pewter]

Stick with Charge unless you are playing a straight up gun book zealot

In a comp

[late jungle]

i find chorus kinda boring personally anyways ..

[unreal nova]

You mean flamer knoife book.

[late jungle]

but its zealot So

[stoic thorn]

I find it really funny

[sudden cedar]

good for you

I'll just lay out the options and consequences before you.

[stoic thorn]

I get hella molested when I start charging thiugh

[buoyant pewter]

Tbh it can be that but also knife bolter book

[stoic thorn]

30 fucking gunners

[buoyant pewter]

Especially if running Purity

[sudden cedar]

You don't charge into 30 fucking gunners.

[late jungle]

okay imean

yeah

[buoyant pewter]

And someone else is on trash duty

[late jungle]

if u see 30 gunners u do not just. do that

[stoic thorn]

My sword is really funny to the point I could just start chaining charges

[sudden cedar]

30 fucking gunners will shred everything

[stoic thorn]

How do I deal with thirty gunners

[sudden cedar]

You seek cover

[late jungle]

knivesssssss

[sudden cedar]

lure them out of position

[stoic thorn]

Oh wait I got teammates

[sudden cedar]

force them to come to you

instead of you running to them

[unreal nova]

Well, I could also go with bistol.

[steep flower]

Unless you have a good mobility weapon & your skill is exceptional… but many are average if not below

[buoyant pewter]

bigger incendiery radius has joined the chat

[steep flower]

Just read the room

[stoic thorn]

Oh wait

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower True. I could charge into 30 fucking gunners. Still a bad idea tho.

[stoic thorn]

I run shredder pistol

[unreal nova]

Have you seen my zealot build?

[stoic thorn]

We suppressing fuckers

[sudden cedar]

Shredder Autopistol

[buoyant pewter]

No not yet Kari

[silver dragon]

What melee weapon synergizes with the Boltgun?

[stoic thorn]

I have never really seen suppression being used

Like

How do I make gunners cower

[unreal nova]

Let me see if I can find it on here or psyker mains.

[sudden cedar]

You shoot them.

[stoic thorn]

With bullets

[sudden cedar]

Well yes.

[stoic thorn]

But sometimes they don't cower

They ball up

And I die instantly

[sudden cedar]

Are those gunners..reapers by chance?

[buoyant pewter]

Usually I fall back to Knife or Powersword when running a Bolter, or a Shovel or one of the Axes. Just more rarely now.

[unreal nova]

Found a link.

[buoyant pewter]

I like fast melee with the Bolter over more slow and bonky

[unreal nova]

I did swap to knoife now.

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova We still love you for it Kari.

[stoic thorn]

They're on the table

[late jungle]

ds

x_x

[buoyant pewter]

Awesome, saving the link on my phone!

[unreal nova]

But lazy to change.

[stoic thorn]

I think my vet skills are better

[unreal nova]

I had a newer version with knoife.

[stoic thorn]

If it's one thing watching my goat playing darktide

It's to chuck grenades

[unreal nova]

But I need to go fumble with itm

[buoyant pewter]

Knoife is just smaller Duelling Sword

[normal bay]

Heavy sword, so you can get back to shooting as fast as possible (and kill the odd rager)

[unreal nova]

Is more for +15% crits.

[sudden cedar]

Your goat plays Darktide?

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-gif-25786536

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bm5xF.gif

[buoyant pewter]

Ah yes the gacha crit

[unreal nova]

The memes, sure.

[tame lodge]

Step 1

[buoyant pewter]

"IMMA GET THAT 5 STAR OUT OF YOUR FACE WITH THIS HERE KNIFE"

[tame lodge]

Get a Braced Auto, Accatran Shotgun or Shredder Auto Pistol

[unreal nova]

Gotta crit more. Yes.

[tame lodge]

Step 2

Shoot to kill

Every weapon has a suppression value

[buoyant pewter]

whispers from the sewers

"Don't forget the Plasma gun"

[tame lodge]

Those 3 I listed are pretty good at it

[unreal nova]

I mean, it runs flak+cara+uncanny+lacerate so.... ppl mad already. XD

[tame lodge]

Now I don't remember all of the good ones with Suppression on kill

But Agripina slug shot

[buoyant pewter]

Gonna be fair, I approve

Not of the mad

But the use of non-standard

[buoyant pewter]

Best combat shotgun hands down

[unreal nova]

Uhh, is still standard book zealot.

Just with questionable picks.

[buoyant pewter]

Let me go look at the tree then

[stoic thorn]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f91d0a7-06c9-4d6b-a1f9-f9163fd706db/beating-people-to-death

[unreal nova]

Is as is, just I went left into crits for all.

[stoic thorn]

this has been working somewhat in auric (not in the event missions though)

[buoyant pewter]

Ah so you went Stalwart over Rising

[unreal nova]

Cos 55 toughness lul.

[buoyant pewter]

Fair enough

[unreal nova]

Do not go 2hp 1 stam with more hp unless you know what you are up to. Lul.

It lets you eat an overhead without going into last wound.

So you would go down but not instadie in certain situations.

[glad badge]

[unreal nova]

Is niche mind you.

[buoyant pewter]

Part of it is likely due to the enemy armor typing being changed for you, otherwise its not a bad build just not optimized-optimized.

Like a easy damage boost and extra toughness is just dropping the two extra nodes past Specialist and putting in the +25 Toughness and Ogryn/Monstrosity 20% damage (Bring it Down)

Be more aware of reloading more as you won't have the reload on swap and then the natural extra toughness spike from On your Toes.

[buoyant pewter]

Huh.

That's kinda interesting, getting bonked by a Crusher and not becoming floor paste, just going to down

[unreal nova]

You do not want to be overheaded though. If you have until death, this set up with get you 45% hp corruption and 2 hp. So you can be at 25% hp and beacon your corruption away.

[buoyant pewter]

[unreal nova]

Nobody believed me till they saw it happen, lmao.

[buoyant pewter]

Will give it a shot! Thanks for another build to try out Kari xD

[unreal nova]

Wait, are you seriously planning to havoc with this?

[buoyant pewter]

My dumb ass is certainly going to try it

[unreal nova]

My only sane build is my vet, and even Path dislikes it due to bad breakpoints.

[buoyant pewter]

I'm in the boat of "I need to use something new before I go insane"

Even if it's just variations of other meta/off-meta things, just want to have a break from the standard fair

More than likely though taking it into the lower havoc with my friend who's climbing, not in the 30+ till I have a feel for it

[unreal nova]

And I just make dumb builds and teehee my way with them.

Or ehm, autistic level of niche weird thinking builds.

[buoyant pewter]

Fun is your goal then!

[unreal nova]

My fun, everyone else suffers somehow.

[sudden cedar]

@buoyant pewter The armour type is not changed

[buoyant pewter]

It's not infested and just a HP percentile modifier and speed?

[sudden cedar]

Yes.

[buoyant pewter]

Well slower in speed

[sudden cedar]

FatShark confirmed that

[buoyant pewter]

Ahhhh

Fascinating, so it really is just people unused to having to hit stuff more.

[sudden cedar]

Mostly yes.

Grown so accustomed to everything dying that its difficult to actually having to fight stuff.

[unreal nova]

Is faster.

The event karkers can run.

They are faster than normal crushers.

[buoyant pewter]

Hmmm.

[unreal nova]

FS did the Nuncio thing.

[sudden cedar]

Are they? Hmhm..

[unreal nova]

70% TDR instead of 30%.

Just now for the event karks.

[buoyant pewter]

[unreal nova]

Except is not numbers but faster by x instead of slower.

[buoyant pewter]

My brain couldn't pick up on a speed change other than in wave dispersion they spread out what seemed slower, though that may be cause of splitting + bad team positioning

[unreal nova]

To be fair, I felt it having to kite a flank of them while aiming my mines to the ones infront while BTLing a hole to get to the rescue.

[buoyant pewter]

They felt more on you than normal?

Wonder if this event is to stress test how they're going to make Auric and other modes challenging going forward

Other than just Havoc itself

[serene bough]

i feel auric is actually in a pretty good place as far as weapon variety and general difficulty goes

it would be nice if they introduced some of the havoc modifiers to auric

[buoyant pewter]

If they're setting Arbites as the power level for classes and weapons going forward, they likely do need to touch up all the other difficulties.

[buoyant pewter]

Emperors Fading Light entering Auric modifier rotation

"AHAHAHAHAHA"

[unreal nova]

Yep. Got lucky there was a gap or karked since need to save a mine for the actual rescue.

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/dik-dik-parkour-dik-dik-parkour-dikdik-parkour-musk-deer-parkour-deer-parkour-gif-9750550432865877108

Trying to get that one revive

[unreal nova]

You mean 3.

[buoyant pewter]

3-rev pain

I am sorry

[unreal nova]

Trauma at 300 ping.

But is why play more arby. Can take more bs and deal with more bs.

[buoyant pewter]

How many 2011s and other errors you been getting lately?

I think you're still avoiding certain servers atm right?

[unreal nova]

Nope. I can't if I wanna play with friends.

[buoyant pewter]

[unreal nova]

Too many. Lost a clutch cos bad DCs.

[buoyant pewter]

The greatest enemy in this game; Netcode errors

[unreal nova]

I picked them up, proceed to lag dc after, reconnected in an absolutely bad spot.

Was painful enough getting to the rescue with everything teleporting and skidding.

[buoyant pewter]

Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain

[unreal nova]

They couldn't without me.

[buoyant pewter]

300ping is a nightmare all to its own

Then getting random DC'd

[unreal nova]

And the connection was bonus arse that day.

DC issues is losing the medcrate and stims.

[buoyant pewter]

..........

I would almost call for a reset after that kinda frustration XD

[dawn garnet]

is it just me or do old shotguns still need another ammo buff?

[stoic thorn]

Is the shmaul 25% more electrocuted damage and 20% more rending on staggered mfs good on shmauk

[stoic thorn]

The slug one is just fine on ammo

[dawn garnet]

idk after playing arby i feel like i need to double tap most things i could kill with one shot

[unreal nova]

It was just an auric mission tbh.

[buoyant pewter]

If using the Agripinaa you should be one shotting stuff to the head that's a specialist for the most part.

The middle tree shotgun (not the fire one) with the 'wave' special shotshell does feel underwhelming still

[dawn garnet]

agri is the one with most damage and least ammo right?

[serene bough]

im sure eventually some of these modifiers they have as events will make rotation

wonder where the scab radio operator went

[buoyant pewter]

Agri is the top one with the slug shot for its special, usually 12 to 13 rounds in the tube.

[dawn garnet]

i liked the 9 shot one most

the other two were eh

[unreal nova]

13 if 80/80. 12 if 79/79.

[dawn garnet]

but again i mostly played them on arby

[unreal nova]

Do not ask why I know that.

Glares at Hadron.

My first shotgun with perfect stats...

Got karked by her.

[buoyant pewter]

Was going to ask

But now makes sense

[buoyant pewter]

Were you running the mag-size increase in the Arby tree maybe?

[dawn garnet]

no

[unreal nova]

Had no resources then to reroll so had to suffer OCD issues.

[dawn garnet]

i only use that on the 4/5 shot arby shotgun

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cloud-strife-psychic-damage-ffvii-ff7-cloud-is-dying-gif-7650000954793830197

Ah yes, psychic damage

[buoyant pewter]

You also may just be feeling the major power gap between the Executioner Shotguns and Combat Shotguns, they really don't measure at the same power level

[unreal nova]

I rerolled after awhile. Then swapped to Bistol anyway.

[buoyant pewter]

Paaaaaaaaaaaain

[dawn garnet]

ehhhh idk i feel like at mid high ranges they are similar enough

actually maybe the old shotties are better

[unreal nova]

Is on Zealot. I started with zealot to get used to melee again.

Then went vet and psyker.

Oggy was only after rework.

[buoyant pewter]

That's due to Minimum Pellet Count and Dropoff mainly. Executioners still hold the best power across the board though per shot.

I like the Combat Shotguns moreso for the mobility and pinpoint with the Slug variant

[dawn garnet]

yeah i dont usually use them in low enough ranges for it to matter

🚬 it would be stupid funny if they actually gave them manstopper

[buoyant pewter]

AH HAH

Wait so were you a Vet main or a Zeal main first then?

[buoyant pewter]

[plush haven]

That's different grenade right?

[unreal nova]

Vet. I just played the 3 human classes before deciding.

[plush haven]

i mean shredder

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah its the Frag version where it causes bleed stacks and such.

[unreal nova]

I just liked the Loose Cannon, you know.

[buoyant pewter]

Ah hah!

[plush haven]

okie thanks

1 more question power sword or dueling

😛

[unreal nova]

The voices I pick are the ones I feel for, except Zealot. Zealot is memes.

[unreal nova]

KNOIFE.

[tame lodge]

If you want Vets best melee

Power sword 6

Otherwise Dueling Sword

[plush haven]

So the same sword guy is using

[buoyant pewter]

I prefer Knife over Duelling Sword, and Powersword otherwise.

Yes

[plush haven]

so far i haven't found it on shop

been using dueling

[unreal nova]

KNOIFE!

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/howlers-den-who-gets-the-pokey-pokey-cat-gif-8874659858752863111

[plush haven]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-drax-the-destroyer-dave-bautista-i-like-your-knife-knife-gif-3613384

y gif not load

womp womp

[buoyant pewter]

Running around like you're on 5 grams of caffeine stabbing the air to go faster is true knoife gameplay

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/abbacchio-hate-abbacchio-klass-popka-its-wonderful-gif-20204659

Keep yapping until you're red

[plush haven]

ohh

that's y ic

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/see-you-around-catch-you-later-bye-for-now-gif-8521042

[buoyant pewter]

Yee, its a safety precaution so bots and others don't come in and spam

[unreal nova]

Nurglites?

[buoyant pewter]

Nurglites

[unreal nova]

That will put me to bed.

[late jungle]

[buoyant pewter]

[buoyant pewter]

Sleep Stabbing?

Or the caffeine?

[unreal nova]

They get shanked, hard.

[unreal nova]

Caffeine. I take to to crash to zzz.

[buoyant pewter]

Ahhhhhhh

[buoyant pewter]

[unreal nova]

Yeah. It konks me out.

[buoyant pewter]

Fair enough, know a few people like that. XD

"You take enough caffeine to KO a horse to get ready for the gym, I take that caffeine to sleep"

[unreal nova]

Though 200mg is enough to blep. Half that is also fine.

Quarter that...

[sonic kayak]

200mg? That's enough to wake up

[unreal nova]

Well, I napped in coffeehouses before.

[unreal nova]

It causes me to crash for a reason.

[sonic kayak]

Hell I've had 9 cups of coffee in a day and still crashed by 9

[plush haven]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFw71BDsWan/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[sonic kayak]

But I know coffee has diminishing returns

[buoyant pewter]

Yeee

At least you're not at the point of going "I require my beta alanine to feel the ants under my skin to feel alive"

[covert fable]

Yes

[covert fable]

Beta alanine referenced in this server is crazy

First bad dragon now this

[buoyant pewter]

The crossover of gym culture, degen culture and 40k isn't all that big of a jump ngl

Its sort of how anime bleed into it all too

[covert fable]

First time I had preworkout

I thought I was having an allergic reaction

But it was the beta alanine

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah that's just BA and more than likely also Arginine

[covert fable]

Ah

I didn't know arginine did that

[buoyant pewter]

It's a vasodilator as opposed to a constrictor (like caffeine) so it can do that

[covert fable]

ah

That's pretty cool

[serene bough]

powersword 6 is better imo

helps to deal with mixed hordes and has plenty of good single target/boss damage

[unreal nova]

But that's just toys that are too ex.

[covert fable]

Huh

[late jungle]

udder discussion in general and bad dragon discussion in vet chat

[covert fable]

Ex?

[late jungle]

Okayyy .

[covert fable]

😀

What is udder

[late jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1397311201276596286/1398693089345798194/attachment.gif

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-sex-homo-seual-gay-sex-homo-seual-kagami-hiiragi-gay-sex-homo-seual-kagami-hiiragi-gif-4948488208181447269

[spring ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-exterminatus-inquisitor-headsmash-gif-20422853

[unreal nova]

Expensive.

[covert fable]

Yeah

[covert fable]

I looked it up

https://tenor.com/view/boomb-cat-boomb-cat-boom-cat-explosion-explosion-gif-gif-17107588862516012936

[olive halo]

I just watched my entire healthbar and toughness bar disappear to 2 shotgunner shots and one basic enemy melee

huh?

[hollow ibex]

sounds about right

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/get-grugged-grug-croods-the-croods-grug-moment-gif-20398954

[olive halo]

Im genuinely surprised to see psyker has more surivability options

[normal bay]

You do not want to get hit by shotgunners

[olive halo]

did not expect that one

[tame lodge]

Shotgunners are my nemesis

[buoyant pewter]

The major problem with Vet in that regard is just our toughness generation I feel is fairly lackluster

[tame lodge]

And it's worse on psyker

[normal bay]

Nothing scarier than seeing those fuckers surrounding you just outside of melee range

[tame lodge]

Because if you're using staff

It's ranged

And if it's ranged

[buoyant pewter]

"We put a shotgunner in your shotgunner so you can gunner while you're shot" goes off in your mind as 12 of them spawn

[tame lodge]

Shotgun time

[olive halo]

kinetic deflection ftw ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[olive halo]

fr

[tame lodge]

Without Deflector won't do shit

[olive halo]

it kinda feels like vet is the starter class in an MMO

[late jungle]

psyker has loads of toughness regen but no tdr

[buoyant pewter]

Consistent Toughness regeneration would fix a lot of Veterans issues with survivability

[olive halo]

before you like, unlock some good and cool classes

[tame lodge]

Your force sword doesn't block projectiles by default

[serene bough]

shotgunners are the most satisfying thing to light up the kill feed

[late jungle]

id say out for blood is pretty consistent ..

[olive halo]

wrong name mb

they should take confident strike off ogryn and put it on vet lmao

[serene bough]

not so weak like poxhound hordes which floods the kill feed, not so strong like ragers where it takes time to kill a cluster, but juuuuust right where a shredder and some PSword swings give great killfeed feedback

[tame lodge]

But ultimately

[olive halo]

yeah but compare it to like

zealot or ogryn

[serene bough]

(assuming you're not just rumbling or purge staffing everything lol)

[tame lodge]

Don't go into shotgunner range with your ranged out

[late jungle]

first of all you shouldnt be comparing anything to ogryn

[olive halo]

zealots is like, 10% ? iirc

[buoyant pewter]

In this Node economy?

[olive halo]

ogryn just gets them for free lmao

numbers be damned

[tame lodge]

Blood Redemption?
It's only on melee though

[late jungle]

si

i always go through out for blood

confirmed kill can be pretty consistent too though .

[serene bough]

i do O4B with shredders and CK with kraks

[olive halo]

yeah but lets be real, melee is always more fun

[tame lodge]

That being said you can build for 20% tg on melee though

22% if everything stacks

[olive halo]

on vet?

[tame lodge]

Oh no

[olive halo]

well, it only goes to show lol

[tame lodge]

Not really

You can do the funny

Out for blood tunnel vision

[olive halo]

psyker gets soulstealer, souldrinker and quietude to help

[late jungle]

being able to throw like 2 shredders (that come back in 2 seconds anyways) to get all ur toughness back while clearing an entire horde is pretty fun i think

[tame lodge]

But you have to take MMF

💀

[olive halo]

NOOOO

NOT MMF

[frigid shuttle]

shotguns make me feel like i'm playing doom...

[olive halo]

standing still gameplay

[frigid shuttle]

unless it's crusher spam

[serene bough]

game currently has too much crusher/mauler/rager spam

[olive halo]

throwing an ogryn sized grenade that wipes an entire room bar for crushers and maulers slaps

[serene bough]

at least for H40

[frigid shuttle]

executioner shotty is a lot better than zarona at doom though

[olive halo]

well yeah, how else do you want them to add difficulty

you ramp up hp and damage, ppl get one shot and complain of bullet sponges

[serene bough]

i'd opt for better enemy variety and modifiers that require specific class roles i guess

if we're just being ideallistic

[olive halo]

you put in more elites, ppl complain of elite spam

tbh Ive seen more krak vets than any other grenade bcz of that

[tame lodge]

Put more elites and you're just feeding all the bonuses on elite kills

[serene bough]

the newest havoc modifiers are great for making melee elites more threatening, I would like if they made similar threatening buffs for ranged elites

or at least modifiers that shift the focus to less spamming explosives but more precision striking required

[olive halo]

aw hell nah you are not buffing gunners

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/not-you-seamus-gif-24731889

[olive halo]

I will locate your house and steal its walls if you do

[tame lodge]

Pus Hardened Skin 🛌

[covert fable]

Anyone else feel like they get sucked into attacks or am I just miss judging the distance

[tame lodge]

Cranial Corruption was mildly ok

[serene bough]

pus hardened is almost good

[olive halo]

wdym sucked in

[serene bough]

if it didnt apply to ranged elites

[serene bough]

i dont understand why people struggle with gunners

[olive halo]

ok so its really simple

strike team walks in

gunner shoots 10 million rounds of 50 BMG

[late jungle]

Well its kinda like

[olive halo]

strike team spine broken

[late jungle]

u turn a corner and theres 50 gunners

and u die before u can react

[olive halo]

I hope that helps

[serene bough]

i mean

[late jungle]

this happened to me just with shotgunners a few days back

Literally died the moment they entered my fov

[serene bough]

just check corners and positioning more if you keep walking into 50 gunners

[olive halo]

this aint tarkov

[late jungle]

you dont just "check corners" if they instakill u the moment u step into their vision

u cant CHECK without stepping into them

like

[olive halo]

Im not gonna do urban room clearing in darktide lmfao

hell nah

[buoyant pewter]

It's inconsistent cause you can't always guarantee a kill for yourself when you are 1) in the middle of a situation where all your toughness is gone and you have no lee-way window (EG Fading mutator) 2) 3 other people killing things at the same time.

You can however just bonk things all the time, and block things all the time akin to Abitrator.

OFB is much more reliable though, though you lose out on Close Order if you wanna still keep your strong stuff at the end of the tree

[serene bough]

theyre just so easily countered by standing in the right place and not being in the open

[buoyant pewter]

Or go without keystone for the dip

[serene bough]

not to mention sliding completely negates all ranged damage

[late jungle]

i run ofb and close order .....

usually no confirmed kill but

[buoyant pewter]

What node are you swapping for that freed up point?

[late jungle]

you do end up being pretty tanky..

[serene bough]

there's definitely a start up time before they start shooting, there's ample time to react

[late jungle]

iron will close order o4b shout

[serene bough]

and this is ignoring things like bubble, smoke, or explosive spam that nullifies them

[buoyant pewter]

What node are you taking out though? Are you not going for Superiority or what is it that you make the cut on for your build?

[late jungle]

i typically dont go for superiority no

ws vet 😞

[buoyant pewter]

Ahhhh

Okay

[late jungle]

revolver one taps elites regardless so

[buoyant pewter]

Not the yee-haw one then?

[late jungle]

noo

i dont like the fanning one

[sour elbow]

What blessings are generally considered 'good' for the chainsword and chainaxe?

[hollow ibex]

check HOTE guide in the pins

[sour elbow]

Microsoft word documents continue to be terrible. Thanks, Microsoft.

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[lost silo]

which power sword mark is better chat

[hollow ibex]

6

[lost silo]

what about blessing

power cycler and uh

rampage or brutal

[hollow ibex]

pc4 + brumentum is the usual

[trim badger]

By nerfing the OP rejects

[lost silo]

k thanks

[trim badger]

The biggest issue with havoc rn is cdr spam

[lost silo]

cooldown reduce ?

[trim badger]

Cooldown reduction stuff yeah

Who cares if the director throws a tantrum and spawns a 100 crushers

If the zealot can keep using book for 5 full seconds and get it back in 10s

Or the ver just killing 2 specials and having shout again

Or the ogryn getting cdr for free because his teammates are killing elites

Or the psyker just breathing in bubbles for 90% of the game

Y'know

[serene bough]

Cdr is definitely the most valuable stat

[lost silo]

i think a shared cooldown inbetween cdr proc would solve the problem y'know

[serene bough]

And spamming more enemies just ends up making it more valuable

[olive halo]

honestly man if that happens Im just quitting the game

its tough enough as it is

[lost silo]

like if he activated a cdr then everyone's cdr are put on cd

[serene bough]

Bc faster cooldowns for killing enemies

[lost silo]

for like

1-2 seconds

idk

[trim badger]

That'd feel bad

[serene bough]

More enemies, more cdr, more spam

The cycle repeats

[trim badger]

I mean they already did nerf rejects on havoc

[lost silo]

i think that

[trim badger]

What's nerfing them a little bit more on Havoc 40 would do?

[lost silo]

orgyn's loyal protector is some of the most valuable thing for havoc

[serene bough]

Its definitely up there as one of the most important

[olive halo]

oh thats fine

[trim badger]

Havoc 35 should introduce the fading light III

And the difference from fading light II should simply be double cooldown timer or something of the sort

[tame lodge]

Bring back the deadly shooters

[olive halo]

I thought you meant in general, and this game's learning curve already is tough

[trim badger]

Killing myself

[buoyant pewter]

I'm still of the mind the less effective/build diverse characters in the cast need help before more class specific nerfs or changes roll down.

And they need to continue adding Havoc ranks with new mutators.

[trim badger]

Nah it's just havoc, it's okay if rejects are OP in the normal game

[buoyant pewter]

Wouldn't hurt also to have new enemy types either

[trim badger]

It's havoc that needs to be made harder

[trim badger]

The 40 rank especially

[olive halo]

fair enough then

[trim badger]

I'm surprised cooldowns weren't nerfed on Havoc at all

But nerfing stuff like ammo instead that is kinda silly...

[trim badger]

Tho auric maelstrom could also use some changes to nerf rejects

Just a smitch

[olive halo]

idk I havent played one of those

[trim badger]

Maybe adding captains on aurics could help that

[buoyant pewter]

It's worth! If you don't ever plan to do Havocs, at least do Maelstroms

[olive halo]

maybe when I can reliably do auric first lmao

[buoyant pewter]

[serene bough]

This is likely the most sensible option, but imo havoc aside some cdr nodes need to be tuned a bit

[trim badger]

I mean I agree but

Nerf the base Game and people will cope about killing the fun

So might as well make Havoc harder for the purists to be happier

[serene bough]

There's gotta be nerfs eventually

Esp with the current state of oggy/arby

[frigid shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-opinion-of-an-individual-opinion-individual-your-opinion-disagree-gif-25328487

arby isn't even top2 op in h40

I get the arby hate though, super safe to play, can feel oppressive to play with when they kill everything

[plush haven]

what does always dodge option do

[frigid shuttle]

especially in damnation or heresy, where there's not enough enemies

so if arby kills everything, casuals think it's super op

[serene bough]

Yeah, now imagine buffing other class to arby/oggy tier as opposed to nerfing

[buoyant pewter]

My counterpoint to that, is that almost everything you can do on Arby ends up being to an extent good, its not perfect, nor breaks the system, but does exceptionally well. (With some outliers like the crazy shotgun horde wiping speeds or printing toughness for themselves in goofy ah situations)

[serene bough]

You nullify any difficulty unless you run H40

Im not saying nerf to the ground but too much power is a bad thing

[buoyant pewter]

There can be a happy medium

[frigid shuttle]

If they nerf arby before psyker or ogryn, it'll be certainly a choice.

[serene bough]

Im not so concerned with arby honestly

[buoyant pewter]

And keeping H40 (And when they add more to it) for the difficulty enjoyers is a smart way to handle it

[serene bough]

Ogryn on the other hand

[buoyant pewter]

Ogryn's safety with stagger locking and the like is too wild

[serene bough]

Rumbler spam makes me want to sleep zzzzz

[frigid shuttle]

most people can't play ogryn well enough or they pick wrong builds

[buoyant pewter]

2x Rumbler 2x Club ogryns on a team can make everything feel boring

[serene bough]

Its really hard to play ogryn wrong

[frigid shuttle]

yet a large number of people manage it in heresy-auric range

[serene bough]

Maybe some will get locked in at lower havoc difficulties but it is definitely one of the safest classes to play rn

I mean, id argue most of the player base is locked in that range by default

That doesn't make oggy any less easy to play

[buoyant pewter]

Tbf I think the majority are stuck in Damnation-Auric range from what I've seen

[serene bough]

Yeah

[unreal nova]

@buoyant pewter Oh yeah, I did promise you the knoife spam ver of the zealot build... https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f34b19b-49ad-432e-b423-ada4cdae4eaf/h40-aurabot-knoife-spam-edition I realised I never actually posted it in public. Lul.

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/firefly-流萤-hotaru-honkai-star-gif-12919924431666896528

Thank you!

Will check it out once off work

KNOIFE

[covert fable]

Hey this is a zealot build

Bless us with a veteran version

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah we were chatting about it earlier in here and they shared it with us

[covert fable]

Ahh

[buoyant pewter]

If only we had a flamethrower...

We do have a combat shotgun with flame rounds

[covert fable]

I wish veteran had this yes

[covert fable]

WHAT

[unreal nova]

You want my meme frag, meme krak, current used (might need some time to build since do not have it done atm) or BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR one?

[buoyant pewter]

Yes, the third Combat Shotgun has access to Flame rounds

it's the special for it

[covert fable]

Meme krak build yes

[covert fable]

Oh wow

[unreal nova]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e21ffc1-cd7c-40da-924d-25d285d1b25f/boomies-krak-edition

[covert fable]

That is so silly

[buoyant pewter]

Goofy setup I use on mine is Scattershot and Flechette for mega meme

[covert fable]

Have u tried the knife with mercy killer instead of flesh tearer

[buoyant pewter]

You get to bleed and burn stuff

[covert fable]

That sounds fun

For hordes

[buoyant pewter]

It's very fun!

Scattershot also has a bug/feature where on the fire round it counts all targets that would have been hit even if it wasn't (unless hitting a bulwark) and applys the buff according to that amount

So you can have enemies lined up, get full stacks even if you don't hit everything

[unreal nova]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f92208e-5e9c-4dcb-9ddd-8dbb4893b40d/knoife-stab-mercykiller-boom

I was building that. I have 4 knoifes on my vet.

That's specifically for this.

[buoyant pewter]

All different flavors of blessings?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[buoyant pewter]

Fair enough!

[unreal nova]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e21fbd7-c703-4fcf-845c-26b1540095b9/boomies-shredder-frags-edition

[covert fable]

I'm on mobile but I'll try to show my build with knife rn

[unreal nova]

That's the meme I keep trying, but my luck with twinned is absolutely trash.

[buoyant pewter]

[unreal nova]

I have a Uncanny Lacerate one and an Uncanny riposte one... Planning on a fifth... Precog riposte.

[buoyant pewter]

You basically have a wall of knives to pick from for builds

Saves a lot of time probably too not having to constantly swap blessings

[unreal nova]

KNOIFES GUD.

[buoyant pewter]

Same, favorite melee out of the whole game. XD

With Shovels being close second for bonk

[covert fable]

I'm not sure if the combat blade needs 10% melee dmg node

I use combat blade and spearhead bolt

[buoyant pewter]

Lets gooo Serrated

[covert fable]

Ya uncanny and riposte on combat bladee

[buoyant pewter]

Imo I feel its undervalued still with a Uncanny Strike weapon like Knoife

2 stacks of bleed doesn't seem much but when you swing super fast and its on every single hit it adds up

[covert fable]

I only use serrated to proc mercy killer

[buoyant pewter]

Ahhhh

[covert fable]

Then I can 2 shot a mauler

And crusher sometime

[buoyant pewter]

So you likely run then Uncanny Mercy?

[covert fable]

Yes

[buoyant pewter]

[covert fable]

The punch attack and light m1

It's so good for single target

The punch makes them bleed

[unreal nova]

Just push atk, lul.

[covert fable]

Is that better

[unreal nova]

They both work.

[buoyant pewter]

Yee

[covert fable]

Ah okay

[buoyant pewter]

I prefer the Push-attack spam for the directed stab

The overhead version I use more sparingly

[trim badger]

It consumes stamina tho

[covert fable]

The punch?

[trim badger]

The stab

The push attack

[covert fable]

Oh

[trim badger]

I always found weird how the mk3 allows you to chain punch into light overhead but mk6 has a cooldown

[covert fable]

The shockmaul has a weird thing where the attack patterns get finicky

I forgot which variant but I think it was the one with higher heavy attack dmh

[sonic kayak]

I prefer the Mk 6 over the Mk 3 because the mk 3's punch can be canceled out of before the hit lands, annoys the shit outta me

[buoyant pewter]

I didn't...know you could cancel it

That's so weird

[raven carbon]

anyone got a good helbore build? is it viable on havoc?

[warm schooner]

yes havoc viable

very good on h40

[spice shard]

gun psyker enjoyer has one
#veteran-class message

[raven carbon]

wait is that viable? without the shout?

looks fun tho

[spice shard]

in havoc i dont know since i havent done it in havoc but yeah its good

[raven carbon]

curius which helbore is used for that

4 looks like

IV

whatever

wonder what blessings

@calm shard what blessings you use for your helbore build? How good is it in havoc?

surprised to see it not using shout, which I thought was kinda mandatory

[raven carbon]

which helbore is best for havoc? any build advice?

[calm shard]

did you see where I mentioned that it's really really hard to play exe

[raven carbon]

ah, fair

missed that

[calm shard]

you need to have a competent teammate that knows how to melee for it or it's gonna be miserable

[raven carbon]

gotcha

[calm shard]

luckily you only really need the one competent melee player

so it's not like it's never gonna happen but I wouldn't count on it

[raven carbon]

so not a build to use with purely randos

any other good helbore builds?

and what blessings you use with it?

and perks? i figure maniac is one

[calm shard]

I would probably do helbore like this with VoC

[raven carbon]

fair, pretty standard build

sensible

what mark/blessings you recommend for helbore? It seems to have quite a few potentially viable blessings at least as far as I can tell

[calm shard]

surgical+weight of fire

[raven carbon]

if I had to guess weight of fire- yeah that

[calm shard]

IIIa or IV

[raven carbon]

gotcha

[calm shard]

surgical is essential to the ammo economy

2nd blessing can technically be other things, but weight of fire is good for sustained dps

like hotshot to give your melee more cleave, sustained fire for better burst damage

etc.

[raven carbon]

what about perks? I'd guess maniac and either flak, carapace or unyielding

MAYBE crit chance but doubt it

[calm shard]

I use cara/unyielding on Mk IV

Though the guide recommends maniac+carapace/flak

Mk IV does so much goddamn damage that those aren't because you need them, but because it takes less charge time to kill them

+carapace gives a 2 shot crusher breakpoint in normal aurics

and a consistent 3 shot in h40

[raven carbon]

I gtg, thank you for the advice

[calm shard]

I don't use IIIa but path does so if you ever see them around you can ask them

[raven carbon]

Path?

Guessing that’s an active user here? I usually am mostly here just when I want build advice and check if things are viable

[calm shard]

bath.rawr

the guy who wrote the current vet guide and is working on updating it

[raven carbon]

Okay

Thanks!

[orchid hemlock]

Helbore probably is the best gun for havoc

But good luck using it 👏

[tall torrent]

Maniac + unyielding

[calm shard]

neat

[tall torrent]

Maniac gives flamer 1hs

Unyielding helps to kill reaper faster

Unarmored helps with Dreg gunner & tox bomber but not required cuz it’s still dependent on range falloff a bit

Carapace is kinda whatever

Cuz if u build IV for focus target its hitting crusher for like 2.2k on crit weakspot already

Carapace only pushes it to 2 crit headshot

And in practical scenarios you’re prob not gonna wait for surgical to give u 2 crit headshots

[calm shard]

I like my 2 crit headshot :(

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer40k-vraks-siege-of-vraks-death-korps-gif-20931228

[tranquil ledge]

Does anyone have any good crit builds for this class?

[half glade]

what is your vet's top 3 go-to melee weapons with the most flexibility and capability in hoard-clearing and anti-armor? I liked to play with the Shovel, but it's kinda underpeforming when hoard clearing. Combat axe was good anti-armor, but no so much vs hoard too

And I couldn't figure out how to use power sword efficiently at all lol, may be I'm just stupid

[mortal aspen]

power sword is really good vs everything

but only when charged

[half glade]

but doesn't it lose the charge after the first strike?

[mortal aspen]

there's a blessing that gives it 2 more strikes

[half glade]

missed that.. may be I'll give it another try

[tame lodge]

You can try tactical axe

But it's shit

Other than that

Not a lot of generalists for vet

Shock Maul is mid

Not impressive not bad

Heavy Sword will have problems with Carapace

Chainsword only hordes

Dclaw just sucks

Specially against flak

So yeah it's just taxe left

💀

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

[orchid hemlock]

Wait we have a crit build????

[tranquil ledge]

I think the zealot class had one so I assumed the veteran did

But if not that’s okay

[mortal aspen]

no u

[hollow ibex]

The crit build is taking reciprocity

[mortal aspen]

:(

[obtuse finch]

stupid

no good idea

but

but

i want melee

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/soobfad-druski-gif-25646977

[tame lodge]

You can always path to Trench Drill through the toughness node instead of Exploit Shitness

[obtuse finch]

Where's that again?

[tame lodge]

Bottom Right Side

The shield being cut one

That's Exploit Weakness