veteran-class

[pallid jetty]

please never shoot bulwarks into backs

only head

[tranquil ledge]

Okay

[hearty panther]

what about back of head

[pallid jetty]

yeah very funi

also this one sounds good

[pallid jetty]

wait, i just learned that that blessing gives 40% damage in the back, i forgot lol
maybe then shooting bulwarks in the back is not a bad idea after all

if they are in the distance for example

so nevermind then

[spark helm]

How close does someone need to benefit from "Close Damage" as described by blessings?

One would think that it might anywhere from 1~5m, but it seems to be available on my buff bar. I know this game has a lot of things that aren't elaborated on without mods and might not be working exactly as described in tool tips but I never learned.

[pallid jetty]

12-something meters

[spark helm]

I'll verify elsewhere but that sounds closer to correct. Just something I noticed now that I'm genuinely curious about some amount of number crunching.

[analog mural]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's 12.5m

Used to be 8, it was a whole thing for a while

[spark helm]

Is that doc posted in here still relevant? I imagine it's possibly still getting updated. Once I learn better about the game's numbers I'll rely less on certain resources but it's good to know.

#veteran-class message

^ the pinned resource in question.

People put a lot of work into these but I know things change inevitably.

[hollow ibex]

HOTE guide?

[spark helm]

Really trying to fill out veteran with other loadouts for things I don't use much so getting these numbers right helps a lot with some builds I have in mind.

[hollow ibex]

it's still prob 90% updated

[spark helm]

Hammer of the Emperor, yes.

[hollow ibex]

since vet really hasn't seen that many changes

[hollow ibex]

12.5 meters

which is actually pretty far

[spark helm]

I should probably get updated on patch notes. Are there any other guides you'd recommend that you're positive are more relevant to what's going on now?

There's this one, the Ogrynomicon and Aetherium which I peek at semi-frequently.

[hollow ibex]

atheneum is very outdated

[sonic kayak]

Ainz has a guide, Zealot Compendia, which is more of a guideline than anything since Zealot does not get much variation

[hollow ibex]

zealot has a guidei n the pins yeah

[spark helm]

Yeah. I'm not an experienced shooter but I'm pretty sure that's like midrange bare minimum lmao.

[hollow ibex]

and arbi also has a weapons guide in the pins

[sonic kayak]

The Psyker pins have some builds with soft explanation of talents

[hollow ibex]

yeah psyker just has builds, nobody has made an updaated guide yet

[spark helm]

I noticed that after once again just playing the class. I get like maybe three or four variations of the same three templates I've come up with and copied.

[sonic kayak]

All you do is pretty much change your keystone and decide on whether or not to take Thy Wrath Be Swift and the 2 nodes below it

[hollow ibex]

TWBS? just don't get hit bro

jokes aside TWBS throws me off so much

i'm too used to having the feedback when i get hit lol

[tranquil ledge]

Alright thanks

[tranquil ledge]

Yeah it’s actually really good

[sonic kayak]

You know? I actually get that

And then I play Vet, get poked, and go "damnit I wish I had stun immunity"

[hollow ibex]

take GBITF

it's worth bro

trust

i need to play zealot again

and try the new and improved evis

[sonic kayak]

Oh yeah it's good

[hollow ibex]

i tried it during the event... and it was a very bad time

[sonic kayak]

Very good

One of these days I'll bring it into Havoc

[hollow ibex]

couldn't one shot infested mauler with rev lol

unless i used FOTF

i'll try it in normal auric

[serene bough]

i dont see shroudfield zealots anymore

[sonic kayak]

It's still mostly the same but the removal of that damage cap just feels nicer

[hollow ibex]

yeah

and with perfect strike 👌

or whatever that blessing is called

[sonic kayak]

[hollow ibex]

cleave through like 15 bruisers lol

[sonic kayak]

Gunlugger with bully club built for crit (still shit)

[pure cloud]

guys, does the bolt pistol's lethal proximity blessing affect grenade ?

[serene bough]

yes

[pure cloud]

wow

[buoyant pewter]

Yup, its quite funny to run with Kraks into armored clowncars cause you can get 2+ sometimes of Carapace enemies with one grenade

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxnRaYnJ-kZFfLd8H6ECPKT6IWgsDH9QyF?si=jmYFjJkSTi9tAEJU

[frigid shuttle]

fatshark coding

[halcyon blaze]

I think they confirmed it's intentional when questioned about it.

Also works with shredder grenades, though I once accidentally triggered a daemonhost below where I threw it due to the extra radius.

[buoyant pewter]

It's a boon and bane. Into a area with a DH its...bad.

Otherwise its freaking amazing for those huge horde waves when you're trying to deal with 2x bosses

The other big problem with them is setting off explosives when you don't want them to

And yes its intentional

[covert fable]

Holy

[serene bough]

would be nice if they just buff krak radius to make this more consistent

huge dmg increase, 1+ extra carry capacity, and slightly larger radius would do wonders for kraks

[buoyant pewter]

It certainly would make Kraks more of a commonly viable carry over extreme niche

If I'm running with randoms and expecting them to get dogpiled by carapace enemies; they tend to be a go-to.

Otherwise they're not bad. Same for the Smokes, smokes I take when I wanna shutdown gunner hordes and close off los for the team.

But they don't feel as generally 'viable' as Shredders are.

[mild pumice]

I bought green Spearhead Boltgun where all setups except mobility is 80% (mobility is 60%). Is it worth it to upgrade it or just put it on boltgun's upgrade? (I just new and idk)

[buoyant pewter]

I can't remember off the top of my head but I am fairly certain Mobility is the dumpstat for the Bolter Rifle.

[frigid shuttle]

iirc boltgun recommended dump is collateral

but mobility dump is fine, especially if you have a high mobility melee

[hollow ibex]

Dump on vet is mobility

Idk about other classes

[covert fable]

Does the spearhead boltgun have this blessing

[serene bough]

only bistol has lethal prox

[covert fable]

🫥

[ashen cosmos]

whats the dumpstat on boltgun?

[blissful stump]

Hey how do people tyically build plasma gun?

[trim badger]

Gets hot + rising heat

Flak + Unarmored/Maniac

69% thermal resistance 71% charge rate

[blissful stump]

thats an odd split

[trim badger]

It is but it's the Best possible minmax

Going over 69% thermal resistance does nothing

So having more on that is waste

[crimson pebble]

i wouldnt worry abt it next update will prob throw plasma current builds into a furnace maybe

[trim badger]

Maybe

They didn't say anything about heat generation

And I doubt primary fire will become bad

[blissful stump]

if im not worried about rolling perfect cause am broke should i just dump thermal resist?

[trim badger]

Just not as powerful as it is rn

[crimson pebble]

[trim badger]

I suppose so

I've seen some dump charge rate, others thermal

[blissful stump]

what do you suggest if i dont get a perfect plasma off 80k

[covert fable]

Don't you get 1 more shot off with the optimal stat

[trim badger]

That's thermal on at least 69 yes

[covert fable]

Ah

[trim badger]

From 69 to 80 is 8 shots

[blissful stump]

oh wait things have just clicked

[trim badger]

New Hellbore era

[blissful stump]

thermal resist doesnt work past 69 you said so its just free stats i dont have to reduce elsewhere

[trim badger]

Yes

So You add them extra on charge rate

[blissful stump]

am very slow today lmao

[crimson pebble]

still needs speed buffs imo the draw time still crippling

[normal bay]

80k is nothing, I spent almost 2 million

[trim badger]

I think it's a fair tradeoff

[blissful stump]

am aware im flat fucking broke on creds rn

[trim badger]

I've tried it a little and seems very good in Havoc even for builds not dedicated to it

[crimson pebble]

when compared to current plasma nah but well see where plasma ends up later to say if doesnt overtake it as it currently is

[trim badger]

Well no shit

Current plasma is beast

[crimson pebble]

and this is also w out consideration that vet is likely to get a new gun aswell that i think will be shared w arb

[blissful stump]

Also is my memory correct that plasma excels on killing specialists?

[trim badger]

We're getting heavy machine gun maybe

That'd be epic

[trim badger]

Ofc, m1 headshot tends to kill them consistently

[crimson pebble]

that or melta i think

[trim badger]

Only exception is Havoc where you need extra buffs to do so

[crimson pebble]

they could also go the drastically more unepic route and just give vet alone long las

[blissful stump]

alr then mind me just not knowing to much on the game but, why run maniac/unarmed over carapiece?

[trim badger]

The point of using +armor type perks is to reach breakpoints

Depending on the difficulty this could change

In the ideal world adding +dmg to any armor types allows you to kill them in less shots

The perfect scenario, 1 shotting them

So on plasma, +flak tends to consistently 1 shot scab gunners and shotgunners with a headshot

• unarmored helps against tox bombers, bodyshot snipers maybe too (alongside dreg gunners and shotgunners)

[blissful stump]

Ah, gotcha

[trim badger]

• Maniac helps against every other specialist

Me personally I run +flak and +maniacs

To reach better 1 shots in Havoc for those

[blissful stump]

I genuinely cannot remember what has maniac besides ragers tbh

[trim badger]

Trapper and both flamers essentially

At least for what's worth shooting

[blissful stump]

Fair fair

[trim badger]

Also if your melee can deal with carapace please don't shoot the crushers with plasma xdd

[blissful stump]

Also best roll is in btw and it is something tbh

Mind me I can’t post ss so Iv gotta just manually type it

Damage: 53/80, ammo: 51/80, Thermal Resist 14/77 Charge rate 1/63, Stopping Power 52/80

[orchid hemlock]

You can use this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[trim badger]

Ignore the first number, only the one on the right matters

[trim badger]

They're not sharing a build

[blissful stump]

Am aware I just find rolling a 1 funny

[orchid hemlock]

No but you can use the link to show the weapon stats until they get access to images in the server

[trim badger]

Seems more effort xddd

[blissful stump]

ok so

coming from staff psyker this gun is gonna take some getting used to but boy is this shit funny as fuck

also does charge time affect the m1? idk if thats charge or just a set animation

[tame lodge]

It does

[blissful stump]

Aight thanks!

[trim badger]

It's the time it takes between pressing click and the weapon firing yea

[blissful stump]

yeah, thats gonna throw me off a bit but it should be manageable

[buoyant pewter]

If we got a Hellgun or Melta I would be so happy

If we get something like a Enforcer Bolter, HMMM

Considering the Moebian gunners already have a Hellgun I wouldn't be surprised if we see it on a Veteran at some point

Just theirs appears to work more like a machinegun over the super high power of the Hellgun

Oh wait, Arbites also have the Subjugator Grenade Launcher

That would be hilarious "Why hello there do you want 3 grenades in your vacinity right this moment?"

[tranquil ledge]

What are some talents gifs for a veteran crit build? And is a crit build good?

[covert fable]

Veteran crit builds are bussing

[orchid hemlock]

Wait we have crit builds????

[hollow ibex]

Anything with reciprocity

[blissful stump]

i play vet to aim to say give out gernades to everyone!

[orchid hemlock]

It's funny that every game on havocs recently have been me on Vet or Dog Arbi because everyone refuses to kill the specialists 💀

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/stillesque-gif-25544869

"AND YOU GET A GRENADE AND YOU GET A GRENADE"

[buoyant pewter]

Oof XD

[blissful stump]

ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS GET A GERNADE!

anyways time to see if i can adapt a havoc build to run executioner stancer instead of voice of commander at lvl 16, surely there wont be an issue

[orchid hemlock]

Every time I'm like: "I feel like Ogryn or Psyker today"

40 mutants on top of me while the zealot is tunnel visioning on 2 poxwalkers

[blissful stump]

the oggyrns wish to be clensed in the emperors holy flames!

[orchid hemlock]

This is 35+ btw

I'm shocked that they got to that level with that low spacial awareness

[blissful stump]

ok rq, is the shovel actually viable?

[late jungle]

Si

[blissful stump]

huh

[buoyant pewter]

Think that some classes have the ability to basically learn that as a trait of just playing the classes

[late jungle]

i dont actually know which shovels viable or how u do it but i know it can be ..

[blissful stump]

arby goes brrr

[orchid hemlock]

Idk what you mean by "viable" but the best melees on Vet ATM are: DS, Rashad, knife, PS

[orchid hemlock]

Shovels are a good low investment melee, the issue with them however is they have poor boss damage and average wave clear

[blissful stump]

huh,

[covert fable]

are these cosmetics male onlyy cosmetics

[buoyant pewter]

Basically what Orcka said

[late jungle]

gender doesnt matter when it comes to cosmetics

[covert fable]

W

[buoyant pewter]

They work on fem, gender doesn't matter

[late jungle]

at most it'll change how the armor fits i think ??

[covert fable]

i wish i could see a preview

[orchid hemlock]

Gender never mattered

[late jungle]

the body types are the same but im pretty sure some armour is fitted differently..

[blissful stump]

ok rq

[buoyant pewter]

As the Emperor Intended. We all get to die for the meatgrinder that is the war!

[blissful stump]

does anyone unironically run the bigger they are?

[late jungle]

which ones that ..

[blissful stump]

im looking at a havoc build thats runnning it and i feel like im just fundamentally looking in the wrong place

[late jungle]

executioners stance.

oh.

[buoyant pewter]

I don't use it on Exe

Cause Ogryns stick out

Like a sore thumb

[orchid hemlock]

Where are you seeing these "havoc builds"?

[buoyant pewter]

And I don't need the stack, I will be aiming for Specs if running Exe

And most of those are Humanoids

[blissful stump]

was looking for havoc builds for plasma gun executioner stance and this popped up https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9abe95e0-757a-4648-bf98-fc2dd1df4c43/the-best-plasma-executioner

[tame lodge]

Often used on Helbore if you have the points to spare

[blissful stump]

should probs adapt off this one tho https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e6bf623-34f5-4796-9519-83da5387e790/the-grenade-veteran-havoc-40-build-plasma-ps

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah games lantern is unfortunately misinformation city 🏙️

[tame lodge]

The logic is that you hunt the big guys first

[orchid hemlock]

Other than the fact they put on the "havoc" tag their is no way to tell what is actually a good build or not 💀

[blissful stump]

any suggestions on a build then?

[serene bough]

Well vet basically has one build

[covert fable]

which t axe variant do you guys use ?

[serene bough]

With minor variations based on weapon

[orchid hemlock]

I don't run EXE on the plasma so I honestly don't know

I don't even know if EXE gives any breakpoints to plasma

[covert fable]

its actually depressing

[buoyant pewter]

Rashed I believe is the Tac-Axe

[covert fable]

wa

[serene bough]

At least the one build vet has is pretty good

[buoyant pewter]

It's good enough that it gets requested often in Havoc team comps

[orchid hemlock]

Like just at a glance I can see a lot of wasted points

[serene bough]

Can never go wrong with ammo, grenade spam, and gold toughness dispensing

[late jungle]

true !

infinite shredders and toughness

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah, its a support setup that really just helps everyone do better in the chaos of Havocs

[blissful stump]

true, im just wanting my plasma to be executioners tho i'll leave the gold toughness for another day, this just seems fun

[late jungle]

rashad is a combat axe

[buoyant pewter]

Agh

[orchid hemlock]

EXE is an ability that mostly helps weapons that want important breakpoints

[buoyant pewter]

Is it the MkII then for the Tac-Axes?

[serene bough]

Unfortunately exe is really not worth in havoc

[buoyant pewter]

I get them mixed up a lot

[orchid hemlock]

The problem is that in Havocs all the breakpoints are fucked

[late jungle]

i honestly have no idea

im pretty sure all of the tac axe marks are like.

[serene bough]

Even if you make meaningful breakpoints youre really squishy and need to be protected to do your job

[late jungle]

pretty decent

[orchid hemlock]

For me the only weapons I would use EXE are Helbore and Bolt Gun

[blissful stump]

ah, then i shall probs swap back to shout then

[serene bough]

Exe should have some TDR and melee threat reduction baked into it

[buoyant pewter]

The nice thing about Darktide is you can have multiple builds on a tab so you can have one for when you're in Aurics and having fun and then another for Havocs when you gotta focus up

[serene bough]

That way you can still counterfire while not being swarmed by melee enemies

[buoyant pewter]

Or if you're running a Static that builds around you not using Shout

[buoyant pewter]

Or when you go into said stance it applies your weapons suppression effects all around you

[tame lodge]

None

[buoyant pewter]

You don't need to kill and it just goes whoosh

[tame lodge]

The popular are 2 and 7

Mk4 got a glow up though

[buoyant pewter]

What'd they do with the MkIV?

[orchid hemlock]

Forgot to remove born leader 😞

[covert fable]

7 feels really good at single target 2 seems meh

[serene bough]

Also wish infiltrate dropped a smoke cloud

So its not totally useless to the team

[orchid hemlock]

Vet is also considered a hybrid class, so it generally isn't a good idea to focus only on range with most vet builds

[covert fable]

guys can i run slaughterer spree with brutal momentum and not shred

i feel like i can keep my crit high anyway

as vet

[buoyant pewter]

We are the generalist

Though with a heavier focus on picking out Elites and Specialists

And Ranged weapon use

[orchid hemlock]

No we are the anti specialist class

What I'm talking about is the distribution between melee and range

[serene bough]

I just wish there was less emphasis on grenade spam

And more emphasis on actually playing the class's ranged/ melee hybrid

[late jungle]

ws revolver vet ❤️

[serene bough]

Well, tbh id just like the sharpshooter role to be viable again

[buoyant pewter]

Fair enough

[orchid hemlock]

Oh shit here comes a wave of ragers

Time to throw my hot potato 😈

[late jungle]

thats arbitrator

[buoyant pewter]

LOL

[orchid hemlock]

Arbiter is anti everything

[buoyant pewter]

Arby is just everything

[blissful stump]

ok yeah exe isnt it

[orchid hemlock]

I do think that arbiter without the dog however struggles into gunners and snipers

[late jungle]

well yeah

but why would u play without the dog

[buoyant pewter]

I play Arby and then go play a different class and feel like I'm playing far worse cause of it

[late jungle]

literally just cucking urself

[serene bough]

Pupper

[buoyant pewter]

DOOG

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-dog-brian-dog-cooked-wallahi-im-finished-cooked-dog-gif-1849480349705279416

[late jungle]

lose out on like. a million buffs from the dog AND the ability to micromanage it onto trappers and.. such..

lone wolf is stupid

and dum b

[orchid hemlock]

Lone Wolf is strong too

It's just that you need to dump more ammo than usual

[serene bough]

I dont mind lone wolf, but I dont want to play a beast master class without the beast

[late jungle]

serrated jaws is probably one of my favourite dog talents

i love on command brittleness ..

[serene bough]

I am glad that both playstyles are viable thougu

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-corgi-lol-moment-tongue-out-dog-cute-gif-16140567

[late jungle]

its not all powerful i just think its. aweosme

[serene bough]

Even though arby is a bit overtuned their tree is really well designed and has good variety

[late jungle]

fuck dem crushers

[late jungle]

if only any other tree could be so flexible

[orchid hemlock]

Grenades on Arbi are also much more consistent at dealing with hard to CC enemies

[buoyant pewter]

Shock and Impacts are sweet

Even dog explosion is cool

[serene bough]

Psyker tree isn't that bad and oggy tree is great

Vet and zealot are left behind and in need for a rework

[orchid hemlock]

The problem with dog explosion is that the dog might not being in the correct place when you need it

[late jungle]

Like

we cant be for real with this

[buoyant pewter]

Psyker, Zealot and Vet just need a tree rework so there is less grey/tax nodes tbh

Make it flow together better

[orchid hemlock]

Shock mines are also cope to me 😈

[serene bough]

I like the concept of shock mines but impacts are better

[orchid hemlock]

If I can't CC a boss what's the point

[buoyant pewter]

Thisssssssssssssss, less tax nodes

[late jungle]

and the fact that arbys tax nodes are actually like

worth getting

10% tdr

Helloooo

[calm shard]

yeah because they all have decent values of important stats

[late jungle]

not even a wasted point at htat point

[buoyant pewter]

Match that with the requisite 5% Health we have to get for Grenade Tinkerer.

[late jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-angry-pet-hiss-gif-16838272

[orchid hemlock]

Toughness Damage reduction isn't that amazing

Because what kills you is the chip damage, not your toughness bar reaching zero

[calm shard]

25% suppression dealt lol

[late jungle]

less tdr is more chip

since you'll have less effective toughness anyways ..

so ....

[orchid hemlock]

Yes I understand that, but damage reduction means both your health and toughness bar

What kills you is your health going to zero

[serene bough]

Well with current meta around spamming gold toughness I find TDR pretty good

[calm shard]

yeah frequently you die because you don't have enough TDR to keep your toughness high

[orchid hemlock]

Getting 100% toughness damage reduction also doesn't actually stop you from taking toughness damage ironically 💀

[calm shard]

and to avoid chip damage

[calm shard]

yeah because that's not how stacking works in this game

it's not additive it's all multiplicative

[orchid hemlock]

Obese Fish spreading misinformation 🤔

[serene bough]

Its just that vets TDR except for iron will is in really shitty places on the tree

[late jungle]

iron will carries vet i fear

okay that + the golden toughness but.

u know .

[calm shard]

yeah iron will really is their only actual durability they have without VoC

[serene bough]

VoC + Iron Will + Tac Awareness is what keeps vet alive

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-pokemon-kaiaghost-gif-21256649

[orchid hemlock]

Iron will is fine, but the issue with vet is that you will struggle to regenerate the toughness back without the shout

Shout isn't strong because of the golden toughness specifically, it's strong because it is a CC tool and instant replenish

[late jungle]

out for blood

[calm shard]

yeah out for blood is nice

[orchid hemlock]

Out for blood is for meleeing that's why you take it

Or confirmed kill

But like compare this to Ogryn or Arbi or Zealot

[serene bough]

I always felt a steady grip talent made more sense on vet in their sharpshooter tree

Since youre supposed to be ADS and clicking heads

Would be great for survivability

[calm shard]

exhilarating takedown is honestly better than steady grip for that

but like fuck am I spending 2 skill points for it

[serene bough]

Especially when one point involves taking longshit

Garbage node

[blissful stump]

how be twinned blast?

[buoyant pewter]

I like it for the pure grenade setup

Its hilarious to suddenly see two nades thrown

[calm shard]

pretty good with shredders

absolutely useless with the other 2

[blissful stump]

it kinda feels like a grab this node last kinda perk

[buoyant pewter]

It very much is

Its a luxury node basically

[calm shard]

DoTs stack exponentially so it's like a...somehwere around 60% damage increase to shredders

which is enough to make one throw kill gunners in aurics

[blissful stump]

i am very aware, i play flame staff lmao

everyone gets areson!

[buoyant pewter]

Stockpile and Field Improv are so much more reliable than it though

But when you're going grenades, go all grenades and its quite hilarious

[calm shard]

field improv sucks ass

you can sometimes use it 4 times per mission

maximum

if you find all the crates

if you drop all the crates

if you actually need the unique benefits it provides from the crates

etc.

there's a fuckton of ifs and maybes to it providing value

that just are not common scenarios

[blissful stump]

isnt it also +1% toughness/s as well?

[buoyant pewter]

It applies for your whole team and helps all your crates, which generally get saved for major engagements or panic scenarios when you really need it. It's not a gamble its a certainty on its benefits, that's the difference.

It heals toughness and also cures out your corruption for healing crates

[calm shard]

I am not spending a skill point on a talent that might help 4 times a mission

The talent is a certainty on its benefits

Finding and actually needing to use the crates is the big maybe

[blissful stump]

i assume its value lies more in armor gating tbh,

[calm shard]

not a thing in this game

[blissful stump]

ah,

[buoyant pewter]

Frankly I run it often when no Purity Zealot is in the team

[calm shard]

yeah wow you sure will provide value being able to do what their aura does passively and permanently TWICE a mission

because missions cannot spawn more than 2 of each crate type

and sometimes it will spawn them at the very end of the mission in a crate on the way to extract :)

[buoyant pewter]

So far it's come in more use than occasionally getting 2x nades on a 20% chance, its a preference thing were debating right now I think

[calm shard]

And lets actually discuss its unique benefits

The toughness regen while pathetically small is consistently useful for med crates

Corruption is situational but very nice to have when it actually matters

And increased heal rate for med crates is...well it saves time

[buoyant pewter]

And gives everyone grenades on ammo restock crates.

[calm shard]

Yes that too

But remind me how many classes consistently use non-regenerating grenades?

[buoyant pewter]

Ogryn and Arby are often the case if they're running nadebox, big bomb, impacts and shocknades

[calm shard]

Arby can run dogless to regen grenades

Or they use dogsplosion with dog

So we can comfortably cut that down to just Ogryn

[buoyant pewter]

Frankly I see more Shocknades and still running dog

[calm shard]

Ogryns grenades are luckily very good

[serene bough]

If havoc didn't nerf crates id maybe consider taking field improv

But thats a very variable maybe

[calm shard]

it doesn't nerf the field improv benefits

it just nerfs the ammo that crates give back iirc

[buoyant pewter]

Yep

[serene bough]

I thought grenade pick up from crates too

[calm shard]

no

[buoyant pewter]

Nope

Only ammo

Only Vet allows that

[serene bough]

Mmmm I see

[buoyant pewter]

It's if you are playing a pure support-nade in a static usually you run it for varying reasons

[calm shard]

most of these various reasons are things that field improv is outclassed at

but the grenade thing isn't one of them

it's just frequently not relevant

[serene bough]

I still think the nerf to healing crates would prevent me from considering improv

[buoyant pewter]

This is where if you are in PUB's, I will agree.

The two statics I am in run a lot of grenades.

[calm shard]

I mean even then if your group runs a lot of grenades

Field Improv only allows 8 uses of grenade regen

If nobody needs like ammo or anything and has to double dip

And that's again with 2 uses of crates you may not even find

[covert fable]

shock maul and spearhead boltgun goes so well together

fun combo

[buoyant pewter]

Considering we throw a lot of nades, over time if you are hitting at least one 20% every 5 throws, you're sometimes getting to throw 6.

It can add up fast, and if you're 'critting' (rolling that 20% window) often it adds up to a lot

I just felt I get more out of helping the team with boxes than the 20% chance in my experience.

[buoyant pewter]

Yay! Glad you're having fun! :D

[calm shard]

Think of it more like a 20% chance for one shredder throw to kill every trash enemy (and shotgunner) in the radius

And Shredders can have up to a 14 meter radius

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah with Prox from BP

Which is the setup for Nades

Hmmm

I hadn't thought of it just sort of "I get to clear this wave on a 20% chance"

Without overspending on nades

[calm shard]

yeah

[covert fable]

Yeah I never knew u could stun bulwark thru the shield lol

Makes sense u can

[buoyant pewter]

Will be frank, its VERY funny to do

[covert fable]

Prob best to do if there's one bulwark

[buoyant pewter]

Will run it for a bit and see if my mind changes

[buoyant pewter]

It's also kinda funny to bully them after they have been the bullies/annoyances too

I despise Bulwarks for just being annoying in bossfight scenarios

[covert fable]

Yes

[obtuse finch]

im addicted to stealth vet help

[buoyant pewter]

It's very fun especially with the goofy knife

[muted peak]

Bro plays stealth vet

A rare specimen

[covert fable]

Hey that knife is strong

[muted peak]

What do you use it for fellow reject?

[covert fable]

yes

[buoyant pewter]

Yes, its just goofy I can stab a giant slug with it and a quarter of its life disappears when using the stealth setup XD

Not as great as the Knife version on Zealot but still freaking hilarious

[covert fable]

Yeah it's amazing with mercy killer and uncanny

I need to make a selfish vet build

Voice of command getting lame

[calm shard]

infiltrate is just VoC but worse

so uh

go exe build

2 shot havoc crushers with helbore

👍

still get blamed for the teams loss because none of your randoms can play without gold toughness

[buoyant pewter]

[muted peak]

Tom and jerry: tertium uprising

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-sleep-cat-and-mouse-tom-and-jerry-baseball-bat-hide-gif-16047746

[calm shard]

exe build does suffer from the fact that not a single fucking party finder havoc player is willing or able to play a frontline melee build

and actually control the horde

[buoyant pewter]

That's cause melee fundamentals are lost on a lot of players it seems

[muted peak]

How much entity can come in havoc?

[buoyant pewter]

Have no clue, just know that the AI Director in matches seems to like throwing numerous maulers, trappers and crushers at times.

[calm shard]

lemme go comb through my scoreboard history and pick one to throw at ya

[muted peak]

I couldnt play havoc yet but I can agree on this

[calm shard]

@muted peak

[muted peak]

Lemme see

Holy shit

1 thousand 💀

[muted peak]

You looking at the scoreboard:

[calm shard]

I don't think either of these were havoc 40s

[muted peak]

What was it?

[calm shard]

I don't remember

[muted peak]

My pc would have dropped to 5 fps in that horde lmao

I cant even comprehend

[calm shard]

It's not that the hordes are big it's that they are constant

You don't really get any breathing room in higher havocs that you don't make yourself

[muted peak]

They are a neverending tide regardless of how many you kill

[calm shard]

Also note the monstrosity kills on the team in both

11 in the first scoreboard

seven in the second

[buoyant pewter]

All I can say is, when you do start playing them; don't go forward into a map whenever things go sideways, go back to ground you've been through, as to not pull more mobs or enter a new zone.etc

I've seen a lot of people panic and rush deeper into maps when things go sideways and just get locked out of options to escape a lot.

[muted peak]

Lmao they dont even bunker down on the hardest difficulty?

[buoyant pewter]

thiiiisssss

[muted peak]

Looks like incompetent players are on all levels

[buoyant pewter]

Basically try to kite as best you can in the same area

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/ThLCDz7

[buoyant pewter]

Break down the horde if solo when you get openings

[calm shard]

them

[tall torrent]

@calm shard btw comp urge not bad if u run power sword without right side

[muted peak]

I dont think I will be able to play a single havoc with these numbers but thx for info

[calm shard]

you come to me to give me this unhinged information

but maybe I will consider it

[tall torrent]

It changes 2 (maybe 3?) stagger breakpoints

[buoyant pewter]

Lower specs, but its worth!

[tall torrent]

Allows ur energized light atk to put ragers into medium instead of light stagger

It just barely passes

[muted peak]

Ultra performance lower resolution but 10 fps on heresy horde 🥀

[calm shard]

oh that's really nice actually

[muted peak]

There is no hope for now

When I get a new pc I will mind getting a powerful one for darktide

[tall torrent]

Base stagger is 8
Power cycler +10%
Comp urge +20%
End result 10.4 which is enough to medium stagger rager (also energized light sweeps ignore stagger reduction)

[buoyant pewter]

That is painful

I assume its GPU that is your major bottleneck?

[muted peak]

Well at least its enjoyable if you dont get absolute morons on the team

Sometimes they underestimate heresy and rush, leaving 15 gunners behind us

[muted peak]

I think both, but my gpu is a main issue

4 gigs of vram

[buoyant pewter]

[muted peak]

I must find a way to ban ogryn grenade boxes on my games

[buoyant pewter]

"They're are emotional support gunners, we can't kill them!"

[muted peak]

They are innocent cultists lets leave them behind

[plush haven]

hi i'm sorta new to the game i finished lvling up ogryn and arbites i had no issue dying as much i do i'm currently lvling up veteran is there any tanky build for veteran

[muted peak]

Yep

[plush haven]

that doesn't require dodging or blocking as much

[muted peak]

Usually shout is a good starting step

[buoyant pewter]

Welcome to the game!

[plush haven]

thx

[buoyant pewter]

Also yeah, move towards Shout, get Iron Will, you will feel a lot better with those

[tall torrent]

u won't have access to it until like lv16

[buoyant pewter]

^^^^

[muted peak]

Vet is more fragile than the other two, not sure about arby since i dont have it but its way more fragile than ogryn

[buoyant pewter]

What Bath said

[muted peak]

So you will need to dodge push attack and block well

[buoyant pewter]

Become very accustomed to sliding as well

[muted peak]

Can I learn those 2 toughness nodes?

I need extra toughness since I'm bad

Oh

I already have em

[covert fable]

I might try exe with spearhead boltgun

[muted peak]

Guess I'm just plain terrible...

🥀

[obtuse finch]

MFW im not playing the Super Optimal Build For Havoc that does 8 Darktillion Damage to All Enemy Types and running Everything At Optimal Stats when I want to have fun on Damnation:

[muted peak]

Deleted the game

But will do like tomorrow or tonight I guess

[calm shard]

No I mean it in a literal sense

They both do almost the exact same thing functionally

[muted peak]

Can I ping you?

[calm shard]

Instant toughness regen and extra durability when you press a button

But VoC just...gives more durability

[obtuse finch]

...homeboy

One is a defensive AOE buff for your mates

[calm shard]

Though Infiltrate does have that funny +30% damage node

[obtuse finch]

One is stealth and lets me reposition from the backline to a different backline without being slapped

[calm shard]

The other is a defensive self buff for only you

It's still a defensive buff

They're both very very similar abilities mechanically

And sadly for reasons you'd take the damn things

[covert fable]

I wonder how much dmg reduction you'd get with that infiltrate defensive node and that other skill that gives dmg reduction if ur stam is at 75% ?

[calm shard]

VoC and Infiltrate both enable safe revives

VoC by staggering everything, Stealth by...stealth

[calm shard]

It's a fair amount but less than you'd like

Also staying stealthed for a long time is bad

You don't want to use it to reposition

[obtuse finch]

Mate, my build is:

-hang around 10-15 meters behind everyone else and pop heads with plasma

[calm shard]

Because when you're stealthed enemies ignore you (this is a bad thing)

[muted peak]

@silver wing I had to risk it

[obtuse finch]

there isn't a friendly within aggro range

[muted peak]

When I send the build

[calm shard]

Enemies go out of their way to split aggro between players whenever possible

[obtuse finch]

Let me grab the build

[calm shard]

They don't have an "aggro range"

[tall torrent]

u can comfortably run most VoC builds with infil
just remove 2 points from ur existing tree

[muted peak]

Can I ping you when I send the build?

[obtuse finch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f8ef92f-beac-4f22-b5a2-d68c7d0015ac/sneaky-beaky-headpopper
besides I play on Damnation with everything besides oggy, it ain't too hard

[tall torrent]

weapon perks prob want changes
and u prob want iron will

serrated blade over agile engagement is also a bit weird

[calm shard]

meme bleed knife and no iron will

[tall torrent]

plasma doesn't need any weapon specialist subnode

[obtuse finch]

See?!

[calm shard]

why did I expect anything different

[orchid hemlock]

We got rage baited 😞

[obtuse finch]

hehehehehhee

ah, ragebaiting is great

anyways im off

[calm shard]

oh man this guy really hates their teammates

[obtuse finch]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-dueces-fadeaway-gif-14327700

[tall torrent]

this node is good

[muted peak]

Had me scared there for a second

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah that node is probably the best sub for stealth

[buoyant pewter]

Or if you wanna cheese out the no-melee damage Achievo

[obtuse finch]

It's very useful!

[orchid hemlock]

If you're gonna fuck your teammates, might as well double down 😈

[covert fable]

i like how u think

[obtuse finch]

If I'm being honest, the way I play this build is:

• Hang back ~15-20 meters
• Constantly charge Plasma, pop heads of elites and toss grenades at armor
• Use knife to help clear poxer hordes
• Pop stealth to rez, take care of swarmed objectives (interrogators, levels, batteries, etc)
• Get the FUCK out of dodge every time there's more then two people nearby so I don't draw aggro to them

[orchid hemlock]

Never let them expect your next move

[covert fable]

amazing

[covert fable]

is he ko'd

[buoyant pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

At least I don't feel so bad now running right into a host so I can get to parry spam them with a dclaw just for giggles

[orchid hemlock]

I mean I'm willing to critique this build...but

[plush haven]

ngl i keep forgeting u can do that in this game

i also changed binding for dodge from space to alt because some times when i want to jump over i just dodgebackwards and fuckmyself over

now issue is pressing windows key instead of alt

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95FdpcoxMow

this is build i'm currently fallowing for veteran

i've used mister E build for ogryn and arbities

[covert fable]

ok exe stance and weapon specialist spearhead is so fun

pffft, who needs piss bar toughness

[tame lodge]

No one

[buoyant pewter]

It's a good build if going into a lot of Carapace, otherwise Shredders work better but overall it all works well!

Also yes, get used to sliding, its a insane defensive and mobility tool to survive

[buoyant pewter]

Veteran Shout Strike: No one uses Shout until veteran gets a rework

[covert fable]

I had no idea the stub revolver can reload all rounds at once

The first variant

[buoyant pewter]

Yep, one variant uses a speed loader

The other is one by one

[covert fable]

Yup

[little path]

yep

one is good the other isn't

[covert fable]

I'm liking the hip fire one

It's doing good damagee

[buoyant pewter]

It's very fun too, the yee-haw gun

[hollow ibex]

It’s much weaker than the single reload one

[little path]

I don't remember if it's lower ADM

but it would be nice if it was just lower damage but kept a good damage against carapace

[covert fable]

Ya I saw the dmg is lower

I'm using uh 60% rending blessing and crucial roulette it's nice

[hollow ibex]

The gun does get good adms against unyielding as a trade off at least

[covert fable]

What is adms

[cyan verge]

if you take the weapon specialist talent that adds rounds to your magazine, the ADS revolver can be reloaded faster in combat

[little path]

armor damage modifiers

[covert fable]

Ohh

I see

[little path]

you can also take the talent that increases reload speed if there's ammo in the mag

so even if you have 0 rounds you can reload 1, do a quick double swap

and you get the increased speed

[covert fable]

oh what

[orchid hemlock]

The speed loader one right? 😈

[late jungle]

[covert fable]

Lov how the top emoji are all ogryn

[cyan verge]

that one is fun to use but it is annoyingly worse

also, since it doesn't have sights it can be more annoying to hit enemies at range

[covert fable]

true

i dont like that it doesnt oneshot gunners

sometimes

[cyan verge]

I think the other one does, or should

[hollow ibex]

I’ve missed snipers at 15m because of cone of fire bloom

[cyan verge]

oof

[hollow ibex]

You really have to baby the gun

[covert fable]

yes

[tall torrent]

I'm doing curios rn

[covert fable]

guys hes cooking

[cyan verge]

lol ABSOLUTE zero on ogryn wounds

[tame lodge]

For the past

Hold on

Lemme check my notes

Uh

6 months

Yeah

[covert fable]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

wheres his custom role

[cyan verge]

https://tenor.com/view/gabe-newell-time-crowbar-half-life-gif-15650818

[covert fable]

awesome

[tall torrent]

this is a single melee weapon

[covert fable]

ITS THAITS THAT ATTACK PATTERN GRAPH THAT GAVE ME AN ANEURISIM

[tall torrent]

it's pretty simple

yellow is light atk
green is heavy atk
red is push or push atk
purple is special

orange arrow means self contained loop back & forth

blue text for an attack means that's combo starter for attack chains

[buoyant pewter]

You're doing a great job on it!

[tall torrent]

power sword VI is so far the most complex moveset chart

most other weapons very simple

this is DC7

[covert fable]

okay that helps a bit

[blissful stump]

gotta love getting the deadeye penance while using commanding voice and not usiong the charge on plasma!

[cyan verge]

which one is that again

[covert fable]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kQ1KsUn04W3To3KkT?invite=cr-MSxXQWksMzA4NjQyMjU5&v=6

[cyan verge]

classic

that area sucks so bad

whoever came up with it, is an asshole

[covert fable]

yeah its sochaotic

you even have to fight a burger

[cyan verge]

a... a what

[covert fable]

burgl

[cyan verge]

could you say that one again

[buoyant pewter]

I believe Crunchie is trying to impart Burgle (beast of nurgle)

[cyan verge]

oh... oh

yes

there's one extremely toxic spawn actually where

you can do that one drop down, and a boss can spawn at the end of the tunnel

for me last time it was, yes, beast of nurgle

[buoyant pewter]

First time I heard it in a random I was so very confused, just like Pogryn XD

[cyan verge]

it was like :v

like you're really gonna spawn a guy with projectile that shoots straight down this corridor where we can't even escape from

it's just blatantly unfair

that entire area too is like if you're indoors you're kinda crammed in and are doomed to get owned by a bomber but if you're outdoors you're going off the cliff

it's fine on like lower difficulties, on like uprising or malice or heresy you're just like la la la, just having a fun time here, looking at the scenery but on high difficulties it's just the death zone

[buoyant pewter]

I just despise when people hit the cannisters there randomly mid fight with anything

[cyan verge]

yes which happens constantly

which is why I am in the habit of

just blowing them as soon as seeing them

[buoyant pewter]

In that arena, that makes sense

[cyan verge]

just get them out of there so they can't destroy you later

[buoyant pewter]

Cause its just asking for a one way trip

[cyan verge]

it always always happens

[buoyant pewter]

Mostly I've found its also Ogryns with their big melee swings who are not payin attention

[covert fable]

burger

[cyan verge]

I mean sure but it's just as easy for any other person, say a veteran with recon lasgun shooting everything, or like anyone with any grenade, etc

[buoyant pewter]

Yeah basically anyone can do it, it's just my anecdotal experience it's mostly been Ogryns xD

[cyan verge]

yeah

it is genuinely extremely hard for ogryn NOT to hit barrels tho

their melee feels like it has massive phantom range

[buoyant pewter]

Big swings do have a huge downside

In that sometimes you just hit everything

[covert fable]

that happened to me

and then crushers came from the drop down from behind

:]

[cyan verge]

yeah fortunately we survived fine because I happened to be shieldgryn and just blocked the puke and then we killed the boss

but

it still sucks

[covert fable]

i need to try shieldgryn

[cyan verge]

it is, OK, atm I am just using the like big tank ogryn build with karsolas pickaxe + kickback

works out well

it's just very safe

[covert fable]

the pickaxe is insane

[cyan verge]

yeah if you want a melee that does everything there you go

[covert fable]

i thought bully club was op

then theres the pickaxe 😭

[south spindle]

Bully club is deffo stronger than pickaxe in terms of surviveability, but its less killy

[quartz adder]

MKIII is stronger

but pick is very good

branx or the korsolas

[shy atlas]

anyone know if the vraks infantry autogun is good combo with sapper shovel?

[cyan verge]

no because you are using a sapper shovel

[shy atlas]

oh

[cyan verge]

the vraks, yes

shovel, no

[shy atlas]

i like the shovel because of how fast it hits, but what should i replace it with?

[cyan verge]

rashad combat axe specifically

or, a duelling sword

[shy atlas]

ah

[cyan verge]

if you want to stab elites in the face including crushers

[shy atlas]

which one is faster

im guessing the sword?

[covert fable]

Axe is fast but the sword does some fat damage

[cyan verge]

depends, like, combat axe is a little more general use and it deals with hordes better but duelling sword obliterates all specials

[shy atlas]

ah i see

[cyan verge]

they are both pretty quick though

[shy atlas]

sheesh

[cyan verge]

to give you an idea of the power of the duelling sword, it can like 2 hit crushers and maulers

[shy atlas]

which mark is the best or meta for vet?

if there is any

[cyan verge]

I think all of them are good but I use the mk IV duelling sword

[shy atlas]

i see

[cyan verge]

unlike the combat axe where

I think the rashad is the good one

and then the rest are eh?

yes the stab thrust slide makes you go really really damn fast

it's fun too

what else does the vet get... I think the heavy sword is also OK if you wanna use that

mk IX heavy sword I think

and then of course the power sword mk 6 is great too for, just about everything, although it is a bit slow

ooh, yeah that is one thing that kinda both combat axe and DS provide though, they let you chew through crushers etc

and it's kinda hard to find that in a ranged weapon

[shy atlas]

and for the blessings for the MK IV is it uncanny strike/ riposte or precognition / agile that's meta?

[covert fable]

That is a dueling sword

[cyan verge]

although this has dumped mobility and I think cleave damage is better to dump

gotta fix that...

but alas

[junior grail]

Anyone has tips on how to run the Flip Shovels?

[cyan verge]

don't

[covert fable]

Yes

[cyan verge]

if you want to LARP with a shovel just take it to like malice or something otherwise you'll just have a bad time

[shy atlas]

nice

i see

is there a pair that uncanny pairs with better?

or both equally the same quality

[cyan verge]

just take precog it's fine

[shy atlas]

ah kk

[cyan verge]

uncanny + precog

[shy atlas]

sounds good

i gotta build my autogun first tho

c:

im so broke

@cyan verge help im broke D:

[cyan verge]

me too

[shy atlas]

xd

i hvae like 2k gold i thinks

[cyan verge]

oh

that is rough

[shy atlas]

😭

[cyan verge]

get well soon

did you do the event

you get like 150k from it

[shy atlas]

the brain rot one?

havent finished yet

c:

but soon

im at like 4 missions

[cyan verge]

uh huh, well, anyway, try not to waste money buying up random weapons especially if you're still levelling, just wait until 30 and then you can worry about buying weapons with the right dump stats etc

everything in the store gets better once you reach max level which does not take long to do

[shy atlas]

does the gambling place price increase permanently

it went up to 9k when i tried to pul for plasma

;-;

[cyan verge]

... yes, but the quality goes up too

@tired egret

it doesn't matter too much if you geti t like exact

like 70/70 would be fine just as long as your thermal is a little above 69%

[shy atlas]

does it go up generally or only specifically for the weapon you gamble for?

[shy atlas]

NOOOOOOO IT MUST BE EXACT >:c

[cyan verge]

everything in brunt's armoury gets more expensive as you level up

this is because the rating goes up too

which again saves you resources

better to spend money on a higher rating weapon, than buy a lower rating weapon and then have to empower it from like 70 up to 500

cuz plasteel, and diamantine specifically, are wayyyy more valuable than just raw currency

[shy atlas]

oh i see

gotcha

ok i am almost level 30

i will wait c:

[cyan verge]

for example when you're doing like aurics, you get like 40k money per mission right

but you might only get like 150 diamantine

which is a big ouch

it costs like 2000 diamantine to bring a weapon up from junk to fully upgraded

[shy atlas]

i see

O:

this is a majorita moment

c:

[cyan verge]

whereas, I don't even know how much currency it costs, but, like 300 > 500 rating, is only about 60,000 money

but each 10 rating is like, what, 50, 70, 100 diamantine

so it really adds up

and plasteel you probably will never have to worry about

plasteel is not only rewarded in larger quantities you also pick it up in bigger amount more commonly

[shy atlas]

nice

[cyan verge]

all this is also why I am perfectly happy the crafting system isn't even more advanced than it is now cuz this is too much to have to explain to every newer player...

[ember nest]

It used to be criminally undercooked

Now its just fine

Better than VTs system I would argue

[shy atlas]

carry when ;-;

[cyan verge]

are you a 300 ping enjoyer

[shy atlas]

depends, are you in NA

[cyan verge]

no

no I am not

🇦🇺

[shy atlas]

then yes

i am indeed 300 ping enjoyer

:D

[heavy rover]

so i finally made a smokes build

i have been converted

[cyan verge]

is that so, what's so great about it

[heavy rover]

gunners and anyone ranged basically become useless

made gloriana a breeze on auric

now I'm thinking of bringing it into havoc

[covert fable]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/kOOKYwaDDcj4x3p3U?invite=cr-MSxZOXcsMzA4NjQyMjU5&v=6 big dopamine

[safe kestrel]

Havoc 23 anyone?

[blissful stump]

hey what is the gas mask cosmetic called and how could i get it?

i know it exists but i cannot ifnd info on it

[cyan verge]

probably the krieg set which costs aquilas aka money

it'll rotate into the shop eventually

[blissful stump]

the aquaelis shop rotates?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[tame lodge]

Every 2 weeks

The last page gets sent to oblivion

A new one shows up

[blissful stump]

ah

[pallid jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663756150709420034/1381717006503641199/T3.mp4?ex=6893ad3d&is=68925bbd&hm=f8891c474963363af22c6f81cbf3c19722042ed34fcd5d2c04cc78ee2e1ba3e7&

[covert fable]

@cyan verge i jus join this game and im pretty sure this that awful map u were talking about 😭

spawned in with liek 80% hp corrupted, smacked by beast of burger into a weenie and that weenie one shot me

[blissful stump]

hey does for the emperor hit any breakpoints for plasma gun?

[cyan verge]

idr I think you can take it outside havoc and then you go born leader inside havoc

it's only a 5s buff though so like what, that's a couple shots, it seems iffy how useful it even is to you

you could take superiority complex instead right for just +15% always

or... marksman, which is 10s with +20% str

[blissful stump]

alr gotcha, was curious

[calm shard]

even better in havoc because there's more gunners and they're more threatening

it also turns off Rodin's AI completely in twins encounters

because he doesn't have a melee attack

[cyan verge]

oh it destroys rodin!?

GOOD he sucks

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/man-frozen-froze-stuck-stuck-in-time-daiyaan-gif-2333459399262130537

[unreal bone]

Mmm weapon specialist plasma might be the move

that shit pretty fun.

[cyan verge]

I mean yeah

what the hell else you gonna do

focus target? fuckin please lol

marksman's whatever? lol lmao

[unreal bone]

Focus Target is what a majority of havoc 40 builds use since it doesn't take a lot of points to get it.

You're already going halfway through the focus target keystone branch for all of the other perks

For iron will and tactical awareness

[calm shard]

https://fximgur.com/a/6S5LomN

[cyan verge]

that is funny as hell

[unreal bone]

God man the intervoid zone level is so ass lol

[cyan verge]

clandestium gloriana

[unreal bone]

Yep

You know what area

[cyan verge]

the entire opening

[unreal bone]

Yep

Especially when it's rotten armor shock trooper gauntlet

[cyan verge]

I think once you get past that it's pretty easy but the opening sucks really bad

[unreal bone]

with a daemonhost in the middle of the bridge area

Yeah it the event makes it REALLY suck

Genuinely this event is awful

Did you wanna fight 30 crushers all with rotten armor buffs? No? Too bad

[cyan verge]

I am really over the event though and it annoys me when I see it in quickplay

it's like go away I already did this

[calm shard]

mauler/crusher gang out in full force

[unreal bone]

My melee of choice is chainaxe

[cyan verge]

oh, lol

that explains it

[calm shard]

chainaxe is good at killing them tho

[cyan verge]

yes very slowly one at a time

[hearty panther]

a lot of fun tho

it goes vrrrrrrrrmm and they fucken plonk into the floor

really, i dont even need the salary

[unreal bone]

Yeah but plasma and shredders

are better for it

plus we had pickaxe ogryn and thammer zealot

[calm shard]

takes like 3 light attacks

[gleaming rose]

Yall what vet personality should I pick

[cyan verge]

female loose cannon

[unreal bone]

That's it guh

I'm swapping back to Arbitrator

Chainaxe shredder frag spam with plasma is not enough to deal with all this rotten armor shit xd

[calm shard]

well yeah the only one of those that deals with armor is the chainaxe

especially considering the rot boys have 75% ranged damage resist if they aren't full health

[unreal bone]

I mean charged plasma shots do decent damage.

[barren cave]

just use ds4

[unreal bone]

And penetrat multiples.

[calm shard]

not really

plasma doesn't go through carapace iirc

does for everything else tho

[unreal bone]

Idk it'd been going through all the crushers and maulers fine for me

Getting multi hit and multi kills off single charged shots

There's just So fucking many

[calm shard]

I doubt you're killing more than like 6 a mission spamming plasma into rot boys tbh

Because of the aforementioned damage resist

Unless you're just kill stealing the people that are actually damaging them all the time

[unreal bone]

Again idk, I'm softening them up with infinite shredder spam bleed so it's probably a combination of the two.

[calm shard]

shredders do like

30 bleed damage a tick to crushers

[unreal bone]

The bleed damage can be buffed

Plus the initial explosion damage

[calm shard]

you don't have any of the tools that buffs them in your loadout

at least buffs them into crushers

damage buffs takes them from 30 to like

40

[unreal bone]

Plasma can buff shredders?

[calm shard]

they have 3600 health if you remember

[unreal bone]

I know Bpistol with lethal prox is the normal go-to buffer but

[calm shard]

no?

in this instance I was talking about uncanny strike from the Shovel, Knife, or Dueling Sword

[unreal bone]

Tell that to Big Dom then 🤷

That's the build I'm using according to them the strength increasing perks on the plasma increase base damage which then in turn also buffs shredder frag bleed and explosion damage

[calm shard]

well yeah but again

you're buffing the 30 damage ticks

to say that's not giving you much damage is an understatement

[unreal bone]

Idk man 65 a tick isn't bad

Anyways potato potato I've ran every weapon combo besides krak, and I don't wanna use krak.

Although I never tried engineer build with krak, maybe it'd be fun.

Engineer with shredder spam is just too fun to pass up.

[calm shard]

they have 3600 health

65 a tick is terrible

[unreal bone]

On it's own yes but it's bonus damage

[calm shard]

bonuis damage that costs you a resource

(your grenades)

that you could spend on like massed poxwalkers or something

[unreal bone]

Your grenades which you get like candy on vet because of all the grenade perks

Normally there ARE poxwalkers with the crushers