#veteran-class

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jaunty tinsel
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word, thanks

keen sedge
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does demolition team give grenades to your team or no?

cyan verge
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the main difference between weapons with dodges that are good or bad, is good dodges shift you further away and faster too, and bad dodges just like give you the tiniest little nudge and slowly

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this is why when you see people with the duelling sword or the combat knife they generally be dodging all over the place

tall torrent
obtuse finch
hollow ibex
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new vet meta discovered

obtuse finch
sudden cedar
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🤔

obtuse finch
hollow ibex
cyan verge
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it's bad in other words

hollow ibex
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i was trying to be nice

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unfortunately, vet's an old class, and it's very easy to fuck up your build

obtuse finch
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then just say it outright, please

hollow ibex
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unlike arbi and ogryn

cyan verge
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hey he was being nice about it

hollow ibex
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where you can randomly pick nodes and end up with a decent build

obtuse finch
hollow ibex
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ok then honestly, if you take that build into anything above heresy, you're trolling

cyan verge
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but yes if you want it bluntly, then it's atrocious, it's bad, it's the worst build I ever saw, it's garbage, it's trash, it's something only a heretic would eat, it's pointless, useless, waste of talent points, unsightly, and above all, not useful

obtuse finch
obtuse finch
cyan verge
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I'm sorry, it was uncalled for

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anyway someone post any one of the like one veteran builds that exist

obtuse finch
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my normal vet build is just

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90% VoC tree

hollow ibex
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VOC's always a good bet

cyan verge
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let me guess, it probably looks something like,

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hollow ibex
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infil is just straight up weaker

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though it's fun

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this is what i run for infil

obtuse finch
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supporting teammates with near-constant VoC and pinging enemies

cyan verge
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oh no you didn't use the... that one build did you

obtuse finch
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?

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here it is

cyan verge
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remember the squad leader build?

obtuse finch
obtuse finch
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i just like buffing teammates

hollow ibex
cyan verge
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yeah immediately dump the revive on VoC

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throw it away

hollow ibex
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"support" builds in general are kinda a meme

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you can include support talents but maxxing support talents is pretty much never a good idea

cyan verge
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you might think ohhh it automatically revives but 1. this is planning to fail 2. waste of a point 3. makes VoC significantly worse 4. and if you need to revive, just stand over man who is on floor, press VoC, hold revive, and he is magically revived

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yeah darktide is largely a game where the best support is murder

hollow ibex
obtuse finch
cyan verge
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you see this, remove tihs immediately

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tall torrent
cyan verge
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there it is there is the one veteran build

cyan verge
obtuse finch
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this better?

hollow ibex
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iron will is mandatory

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and if you really liked nades, you'd also take demo team

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though demo team is less useful under auric

obtuse finch
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i plan on doing damnation only

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i only do auric on my oggy

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there

hollow ibex
late jungle
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why r we running krak

obtuse finch
covert fable
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Krak supremacy

obtuse finch
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toss kraks on group of enemy oggys and forget about it

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toss kraks on really annoying scab shotgunner and forget about it

late jungle
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Um..

obtuse finch
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toss kraks on you and forget about it

late jungle
calm shard
late jungle
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theres definitely guns that can just do that in like. one shot

calm shard
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and more importantly melee weapons that do it in a couple of swings

obtuse finch
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shrug

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i like grenades

spark helm
calm shard
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one of these ogryns was smacked 3 times with a combat axe, and the other was hit by a krak grenade

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Can you tell which is which?

obtuse finch
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dunno what you're on but when i put a krak on a plague oggy's face it does a lot more damage

hollow ibex
calm shard
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This was grenade tinkerer+FT+Bring It Down

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You don't really get higher damage for them

cyan verge
obtuse finch
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besides i only play vet, zealot, and psyker on damnation
i play oggy on auric

late jungle
cyan verge
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so it's less true now but for a while there was a big influx of vets with atrocious builds

late jungle
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THis build

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its like

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the most viewed build on the site

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whenever i check

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i dont rlly get it .

spark helm
calm shard
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wow I had not seen that build before and this is a bad start

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cyan verge
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yeah lol

calm shard
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least consistent toughness regen talent, and extra point for Close Order Drill

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flak unarmored chain sword?

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maniacs unyielding plasma gun?

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they have no right tree talents

hollow ibex
calm shard
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and rending strikes are they meleeing crushers with the chainsword???

cyan verge
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yeah it's all those talents

calm shard
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I also don't think Kill Zone gives the plasma breakpoints

cyan verge
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most everything at the bottom is okay but there's many questionable decisions

calm shard
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Not taking anything in the right tree is questionable

cyan verge
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yeah, kill zone is probably junk

calm shard
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I do that on unga bunga all damage exe vet

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And it's annoying there

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I can't imagine trying to play an actual normal build without right tree

calm shard
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This list was assumedly made before the buff to Catch a Breath

hollow ibex
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even before CAB became good

cyan verge
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no if you look at the build notes

calm shard
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Wait if it was made before that why the fuck does it have killzone

hollow ibex
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so really no excuses

cyan verge
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GUIDE UPDATED: Nightmares & Visions, 07MAY2025

spark helm
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The main thing confusing me is the chainsword choices honestly. I'm ignoring plasma gun because I just wasted dockets on trying to roll a nicer one but idk what's going on there so I can see why no bottom right talents with that specific chainsword are even happening as part of the problem.

cyan verge
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literally current build LOL

calm shard
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oh

cyan verge
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yeahhh

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he picked the chainsword for larping I guess

hollow ibex
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almost certainly

cyan verge
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I doubt it was for like, any real reason other than that

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which I mean... is fine if you are gonna play on malice, I guess

spark helm
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I mean. You can do those two weapons, but probably not in that way.

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Because idk why I'd want to use savage sweep and rampage on a weapon like the cadia chainsword. I don't think of this game enough to care about ultra fine details but that combo doesn't...make sense with xiig?

calm shard
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can't remember if the chainswords have a cleave limit like the chainaxe does

hollow ibex
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no they don't

spark helm
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Feels better when you're trying to lean into the melee stuff more in my experience. Idk how much you need to baby the thing.

hollow ibex
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problem is mostly damage

calm shard
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No shred on XIIIg is like

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Why

hollow ibex
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well XIIIg needs wrath too prob

calm shard
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That entire things quirk is that its crits don't have cleave falloff

hollow ibex
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unless you play arbi

calm shard
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Your boy NEEDS his crits

hollow ibex
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chord is the reason why cadia fell

spark helm
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Shred and wrath feel stable for it. Idk if I've ever tried anything else. But I'd run those and the bottom right talents that let dodging juice it up further and call it a day between target down or weapon specialist.

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And whatever else I happen to have points left for

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I'll admit, no demolition team is fucking me up a bit.

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I like it too much ig.

obtuse finch
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rate it

late jungle
obtuse finch
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alright, it's bad

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what do i change then

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well?

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if you're gonna be like that at least give criticism

tall torrent
arctic rampart
# obtuse finch

if you like nades you should drop the last node under weapon specialist unless you're doing revolver (IMO). even in damnation you'll get hi-intensity and at that point demolition team is notably better than the 60s regen. especially if there's another modifier that gives more specials on top.

tall torrent
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also that boltpistol needs changes

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unarmored, maniac, puncture, run&gun (since u don't run frags in this build)

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crit dmg perk is bad almost 100% of the time

arctic rampart
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hmm bolt pistol, its probably fine for that too. nm!

muted peak
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I have 70 hours at the game

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my fps crashes even on heresy to like 20 10 fps

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I play at ultra performance

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lowered resolution

arctic rampart
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use frame gen

muted peak
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using frame gen+boost

cyan verge
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that is rough

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that's rough buddy

arctic rampart
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is your card a piece of crap? why are you lowering it so much?

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what cpu & video card?

cyan verge
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yeah a friend of mine was like "hey I am getting only like 60 fps in this game, I need to optimize my settings" and it's like uhhhh nope that's just darktide buddy sorry

muted peak
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yeah its fucking rough to get a clean one headshot in this game with these stats

arctic rampart
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mine runs at 144 pretty consistently, but I've got a decent system and I run frame gen

muted peak
cyan verge
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yeah I skip frame gen because it adds too much like input latency

muted peak
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way lower than recommended

tall torrent
past stratus
muted peak
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I want to rush you like a zealot buddy

cyan verge
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BE CLEANSED OF SIN!

arctic rampart
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thats some pretty old hardware. I'm not sure what to tell you obviously you can't run frame gen

muted peak
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FOR HIS NAME

muted peak
arctic rampart
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usually with that budget kind of card you also get atrocious ram coupled with the system

muted peak
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I feel like its better with frame gen tho?

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16gb ram

calm shard
muted peak
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its not a desktop

arctic rampart
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I'm using frame gen but I got a 4070ti. I think a geforce 1650x doesnt even support frame gen

muted peak
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its a laptop

calm shard
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horrible

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muted peak
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well

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at least from time to time I can enjoy heresy

past stratus
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Fire Team 😵‍💫

arctic rampart
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The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 is an entry-level graphics card, released in April 2019, known for its power efficiency and suitability for gaming on a budget. this is what google AI told me

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is it a newer laptop?

muted peak
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no

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its been at least 5 years since I got it

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the problem is modern games demanding much more system

cyan verge
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no just darktide lol

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this game does not run well on anyone's computer really

arctic rampart
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it runs really well on mine, so gonna disagree

muted peak
cyan verge
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compared to other games I dunno I just don't think this game's visual fidelity measures up

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oh

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yeah helldivers 2, another game that runs like ass

muted peak
cyan verge
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idk you compare what's in these games to like... death stranding even which came out a few years ago, death stranding is so well optimized it runs on anything and it looks fantastic, right

muted peak
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yes

late jungle
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helldivers 2 runs like ass but it still runs better than darktide

muted peak
cyan verge
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I feel like HD2 does run better than it did at release too

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they have made some improvements

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it used to be really really bad

muted peak
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they are not even the same chaos as darktide

arctic rampart
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I have a 9800x3d cpu so my cpu is pretty top end. But my graphics card is like 2 (~?) years old and it was the budget current card when I bought it..

cyan verge
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true, darktide has a lot going on

muted peak
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I played the first game and I could get above 40 fps consistently but darktide is filled explosions, hordes, special effects and daemons

cyan verge
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but still I feel like

muted peak
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those damn daemons interfere with the noosphere

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its their fault

cyan verge
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how about sayyy battlefield then, BF1 was like 2015 and imo it still looks better than this game and had support for like 64 players

supple laurel
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I tried to but BARELY missed the time to use it before being downe

cyan verge
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BF1 also ran flawlessly on even current hardware then and it's a 10 year old game so it runs even better now

supple laurel
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I pressed the key like a milisec too late

muted peak
cyan verge
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obviously again that's just like, EA money fed into DICE who are gods

arctic rampart
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If your pc was the budget pc 5-10 years ago sure you might have problems today. Seems reasonable, even without moore's law driving performance.

muted peak
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and + mine is a laptop

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cooling is an issue

supple laurel
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I get like 80 fps on darktide on max settings i think

arctic rampart
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I do, got good budget case and a radiator. Darktide runs amazingly no complaints

cyan verge
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yeah I have heard that from a lot of laptop users, like ohh my computer has,

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muted peak
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Dude just look at this, vent looks at the fucking screen not outside

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arctic rampart
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I can't see anything but the D key

muted peak
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Whoever designed this is the worst gamer pc designer of all time

covert fable
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Anyone else have less fps in the morning star than in game

late jungle
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the d key

cyan verge
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everyone probably

late jungle
muted peak
arctic rampart
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Never go to morningstar, problem solved

cyan verge
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the mourningstar is not well optimized lmao

muted peak
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These are the vents

covert fable
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My fans ramp up in morning star it's not a issue for me but it's so funny

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Laptop gamer

cyan verge
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also, I am not sure but I have a feeling it probably costs more to render because the game is trying to keep like multiple high resolution players loaded

muted peak
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They are not looking outside but to the FUCKING SCREEN

cyan verge
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whereas in-game it's only 4 guys

covert fable
arctic rampart
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There's plugins that let you do everything from lobby

cyan verge
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yeah psych ward, which I like, but, it's a little bit buggy

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I still use it for stuff like armoury though

covert fable
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I drop from like 200 + fps to 100ish

muted peak
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Never regretted it

cyan verge
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wtf

late jungle
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shouldve plugged a controller in

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🙄

cyan verge
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wait what did you do to your D key psychopath

muted peak
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I can sacrifice another key for that game

cyan verge
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fix it immediately

muted peak
cyan verge
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what do you mean!!!!

late jungle
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im pretty sure dead cells is recommended to be played with controller anyways ..

muted peak
late jungle
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game always felt weird on keyboard

cyan verge
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I also hate controllers

willow sluice
late jungle
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i do hate controllers but like,

cyan verge
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I only play like the dark souls series on controller and nothing else

muted peak
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I gotten used to keyboards now

late jungle
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im not gonna play something like elden ring on keyboard

willow sluice
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you forever stuck not able to go right lol

cyan verge
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oh you're all young people aren't you

muted peak
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No

cyan verge
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I am getting that impression

late jungle
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define young

cyan verge
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because me I've been gaming on PC since like 1997

late jungle
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oh.

willow sluice
muted peak
late jungle
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THE

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SPACE KEY

cyan verge
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omg wtf happened to the spacebar

late jungle
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/???

muted peak
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Oh

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I ate it

willow sluice
late jungle
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u abuse ur keyboards

muted peak
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I was hungry during fasting

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So yeah

cyan verge
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ogryn moment

willow sluice
muted peak
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Lmao

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The keyboard is old af btw

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The space key wasnt balanced in the weight

cyan verge
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yeah I can tell just looking at it

muted peak
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Thats why it broke

willow sluice
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thats the commissar keyboard

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he gonna pop yo ass for that

cyan verge
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looks like some 2011 gamer hardware

muted peak
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It only has one pillar to support that wide ass space key

muted peak
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But it gets the job done and i didnt pay a single penny on it

willow sluice
cyan verge
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I have one of these, it's the worst kind of cheap plastic junk, but it functions so I use it as a testing keyboard

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muted peak
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The keyboard

muted peak
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Wow

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Looks absolute amazing btw

willow sluice
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i wonder

cyan verge
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it's awful, it's all rubber dome keys

willow sluice
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do autistic nuns exist?

steel surge
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Dumpstat on an achlys powersword and mkIII helbore?

muted peak
willow sluice
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like autistic nuns in the middle age somehow having the best day

calm shard
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stability for gun

steel surge
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thanks then the build (which I think you shared?) is correct

cyan verge
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isn't the Mk III power sword recommended

calm shard
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I have not shared a build

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neiher of the previous builds shared here recently are good

willow sluice
calm shard
steel surge
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was recommended this one

muted peak
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Anyways what was the topic

calm shard
cyan verge
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is that so, then why is my power sword a mark 3...

covert fable
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I hope they never nerf that infantry autogun

willow sluice
late jungle
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armourbane on helbore ?

calm shard
calm shard
muted peak
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Sorry for late ping

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Got offtracked a bit

cyan verge
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I am playing on linux right now

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it's alright I guess

muted peak
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OH

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Which distro?

steel surge
cyan verge
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endeavourOS

muted peak
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And I have some questions about it

cyan verge
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check it out, it's like very friendly for new players

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uh, new users

muted peak
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Can I dualboot two different distros?

cyan verge
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yeah if you want

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if you do that you wanna install windows first

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then your linux

woven oak
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I have not played vet in a while. I forgot I had this plasma gun.

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muted peak
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I plan to have one for normal, gaming optimized for dt and hd 2

cyan verge
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wait aren't you on a laptop

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you might have trouble splitting up your hard drives

muted peak
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Yep

cyan verge
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depending

muted peak
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Do I have to?

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Can it be avoided?

calm shard
cyan verge
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yeah, linux needs its own partition, windows needs its own partition, for your system files, which means both want to be on an SSD

muted peak
calm shard
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Doesn't really specialize into anything

cyan verge
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and many laptops, tend to have like, one SSD, and then a big hard drive, but idk what yours looks like

muted peak
calm shard
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can swap focus target to weapon specialist if you'd like

muted peak
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One linux only I guess

cyan verge
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you should check if your games run on linux first, your favorites, https://www.protondb.com/

Game information for Proton, Linux, Steam Deck, and SteamOS

steel surge
cyan verge
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most probably will

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there are some games that rely on weird anticheat that won't work

muted peak
cyan verge
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oh

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well, that might be a reason why your darktide struggles

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I can't imagine this game runs well on a hard drive

muted peak
cyan verge
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most modern like 70-150gb games, tend to prefer to be on an SSD cuz they are streaming textures constantly

calm shard
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But should still work

cyan verge
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soooo if you have nothing but a 500gb SSD, oof

muted peak
calm shard
cyan verge
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oh, that's pretty good then

muted peak
cyan verge
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oh, yeah rip

calm shard
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I USED to only have that 1TB HDD before I upgraded my PC

muted peak
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Thats why I'm also switching to linux

calm shard
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Game runs like ass on HDD for sure

muted peak
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I will save up some space for hd 2

steel surge
calm shard
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Had to check because I use the Mk IV xd

muted peak
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My pc gets my job done for casual businesses and literrally anything else

calm shard
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Unyielding is also viable because the Helbores have REALLY good boss damage

muted peak
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Only cpu intensive modern games are an issue

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Fuck it, I'm deleting darktide, those xbox cadets will need my help

cyan verge
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anyway yeah if you are planning on trying linux, I would recommend endeavourOS, it's just very friendly to new users, it has a pretty good community forum where you can ask questions, and since it's arch-based you get access to the arch user repository, which is just really good if you want to install a bunch of third party packages which you probably do

muted peak
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I actually was planning to use zorin os

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A turkish youtuber recommended that new users wont feel strange with it because by default it looks so much like windows

cyan verge
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ah, yes that's just KDE plasma

muted peak
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KDE?

cyan verge
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that's just one of several like, DE, desktop environments that you can use on linux

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others include like, gnome, which is very popular, and i3? and xfce? and cinnamon?

muted peak
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Me confused

cyan verge
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well, the windows shell, or the like taskbar, desktop, all that, that's windows' desktop environment

muted peak
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Oh okay

cyan verge
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so KDE plasma, is just a linux desktop environment, designed to look and feel kinda like windows

muted peak
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I was aiming to become accustomed to linux with that and switching up customizing later

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Those customizations look cool

cyan verge
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I personally don't like it very much cuz it has too many god damn menus which is one of the reasons why I moved away from windows, gnome is my preference since it's just very simple and intuitive and you don't need to customize it to make it work

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but yeah if you wanna go with that you can

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it's very like... well supported

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gnome and KDE plasma, are the two big ones

muted peak
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Nice

cyan verge
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anyway, to get back on topic... take shredders over kraks generally

muted peak
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Spitting facts

willow sluice
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i finally finished it

muted peak
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I'm back to observing the chat 🍿Sitgryn

willow sluice
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i wanna show my bild

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i finished it

calm shard
willow sluice
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what next

cyan verge
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well can you post it

willow sluice
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how

cyan verge
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by copy pasting the web address into this chat

willow sluice
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copy the link?

cyan verge
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yes

calm shard
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should be able to just copy the link to it

willow sluice
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like this?

calm shard
muted peak
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Forgot my main question

willow sluice
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btw i named my charather "autisticus"

muted peak
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@cyan verge is gaming optimized distros really good for gaming?

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Have you ever used one?

willow sluice
muted peak
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My performance is shit already I need every fps I can get

calm shard
willow sluice
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my current setup

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and the flaws

calm shard
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SUCKS

covert fable
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It can be worked on a little

willow sluice
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whats the critical flaw

calm shard
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well we'll start with the loadout flaws first ignoring the purple chainaxe

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main flaw is that neither of he weapons synergize with the chosen talents

willow sluice
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i use it to go fast

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or cooling down

calm shard
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plasma gun doesn't really shoot things that exhilarating takedown gives you the biggest benefit for targeting

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like basic shooters and all

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I run exe+MMF in havocs with a Helbore occasionally

cyan verge
calm shard
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Plasma is not really an MMF gun

real shoal
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And no grenades on elite/special kills, and no toughness dr over 75%. Those are 'uge.

calm shard
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MMF requires you to be headshotting things all the time

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Plasma gun ammo economy not very good, cannot always be shooting things

real shoal
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Also, doesn't it kinda need the weak point damage node to hit breakpoints? iirc, it's a really finnicky gun, for all its power.

calm shard
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yes

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it's also immune to suppression effects

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so Determined does nothing

cyan verge
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that makes sense...

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if I had a plasma gun I too would be like "you can't hit me, I have a plasma gun"

real shoal
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And while I don't mind chaxe with plasma—it's funny with the thunderous bleed build—I'd rather have something outright fast and that deals with massed enemies in a pinch.

calm shard
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yeah

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chain axe very good single target can't kill crowds

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plasma gun same thing

covert fable
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he's gonna have a heart attack

muted peak
real shoal
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One of the marks isn't bad at smacking hordes, kinda like the shock maul that way. Knocks them around a lot, but doesn't mulch them.

muted peak
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My reaction shouting and charging into horde with chaxe:staregryn

calm shard
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Do you know about the Thing™ that the Chainaxe has going on with its crowd clear

muted peak
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What is it?

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And why the trademark?

calm shard
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It cannot damage more than 4 enemies in a single swing

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No matter what

muted peak
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Yeah?

calm shard
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Zero damage

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Nada

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Nothing

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It is the only weapon in the game that behaves like this iirc

muted peak
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Yep

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Ik

calm shard
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Which means it's worse at horde clear

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Than just about every other weapon in the game

cyan verge
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yeah I agree it's good to match a horde clear weapon with a single target weapon

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so plasma + power sword, now you're thinking with... uh... power? or plasma? or something

muted peak
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For me, its not, it has simple moveset, I cant make much combos because I have both lag and fps issues, i can just spam light attack because its relentless and push attack when I get overwhelmed

cyan verge
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or... rashad???

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or... maybe one of the heavy swords??????

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idk?

muted peak
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But I cant go beyond damnation much so dont bother with my opinions

calm shard
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heavy sword horde clear unga bunga heavy spam

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heavy sword single target unga bunga heavy/special spam

muted peak
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And I'm a simple monkey, I see simple moveset I use it

calm shard
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long prosper heavy sword

muted peak
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Go brrrrt

calm shard
#

chain axe single target is spam lights or spam heavies depending on whether you're using the fun one or the blue one

muted peak
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(On mark 4 ofc)

willow sluice
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i finished the zealot

muted peak
willow sluice
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who wanna see my tractic build and the tactics i written down

calm shard
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mark IV

muted peak
willow sluice
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and die inside from how bad it prob is

calm shard
muted peak
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Nah show it

willow sluice
#

here

muted peak
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I wanna see

willow sluice
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here

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enjoy

calm shard
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anyways if I was to play exe plasma like you posted earlier I'd do it like this

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We've been swindled

muted peak
calm shard
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what the hell is that

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muted peak
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Cool build, opposite of mine but agressiveness seems fun

willow sluice
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thats the honey badger

muted peak
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I always like to go for a level headed supporter/rager in the group

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In zealot

calm shard
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man if only zealot had some kind of ability that made it so that you can't die

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oh wait

cyan verge
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omg what is this

willow sluice
cyan verge
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are you just dropping troll builds on us

muted peak
willow sluice
calm shard
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this with recon lasgun is also killing me

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could not have chosen a gun that takes longer to empty the mag if you tried

willow sluice
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why not

calm shard
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actually come to think of it

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does this build skip all of zealot's damage talents?

willow sluice
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ill prob forgot that i have that when i detect something that is a horde and instantly crashed the yellow berral and fly off the map

willow sluice
calm shard
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yeah it literally only has backstab damage and martydrom

willow sluice
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where

calm shard
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none of the other damage talents

willow sluice
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are you saying my stupidity made me overlook it?

calm shard
willow sluice
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so yeah on 1 to 10 how playable it is

calm shard
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admittedly this one isn't very good

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willow sluice
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or is just pain

calm shard
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like

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you avoided almost all of Zealot's good talents

willow sluice
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fun fact

calm shard
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The only saving grace is that you chose the actually good active ability instead of the two bad ones

willow sluice
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ive been using that build for almost 2 years

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or maybe 1 and a half?

calm shard
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this is how basically every zealot build looks

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before choosing a keystone since all 3 are good

willow sluice
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i dare you to use my build

calm shard
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I'd really rather not

willow sluice
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and see how long you can handle or you lose your sanity

calm shard
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I don't like playing Zealot with their one good build

willow sluice
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i require you to overdose in caffine to play it properly

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pretend you are a khornate daemon and ou will somehow acheeve it

calm shard
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I already do this with Psyker :/

steep flower
willow sluice
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oh shit i have image perm

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also @calm shard if you wonder

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why i be like this

calm shard
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is it autism

willow sluice
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yes

willow sluice
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is their a way to save the build?

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like make it usable?

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out of both of them

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btw both is max level

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without changes to the build

calm shard
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no

willow sluice
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reason?

calm shard
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all of zealot's good talents are on the left middle of their skill tree

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youhave none of them, and taking loner means you can't get the points to get them and a keystone

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also loner aura is spending a skill point to intentionally have no aura

willow sluice
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so you saying the loner literally nullify the keystone

willow sluice
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im just lame

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so yeah what you wanna call my playstyle @calm shard ?

calm shard
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average MM zealot that the team has to peel off the floor every 2 seconds like they're trying to be a doormat

willow sluice
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well the tactic is basically like a honeybader vs a entire pack of lion

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just try to kill many before you die

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or accidently charge to a yellow barrel and fall of the map

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it happened to me many times

calm shard
willow sluice
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or into a daemon host

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and yes i scream as a gremlin

willow sluice
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i mean i will dare anyone to use it

cyan verge
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no one wants to use it, not because they can't, but because it's a bad and you will be a burden to your team

steel surge
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Gun psyker enjoyer, do you use use the 'hammer of the emperor' guide for weapons?

calm shard
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for weapons that I don't use

willow sluice
tall torrent
willow sluice
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i literally clutched it somehow

willow sluice
cyan verge
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yes yes we're all very impressed now fix your talents

willow sluice
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i worry that i cant adapt it

cyan verge
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if you don't want to change it then just bring it to malice difficulty or lower and it'll be fine

willow sluice
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since is like a hive city cant handle clean living environment

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or a redditor come in contact with sunlight or grass

willow sluice
steel surge
calm shard
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But ordinarily I wouldn't play plasma with exe no

real shoal
cyan verge
real shoal
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Ability sometimes changes to chorus, and in havocs, sometimes you go beacon for gas mods.

cyan verge
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yes

real shoal
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All three of the keystones are viable, but crit one is (imo) the easiest to work around and enables more gear generically.

calm shard
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chorus is always inferior to FOTF

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beacon isn't good in gas mods it was only ever used in havocs for Blight Spreads

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because that corruption damage wasn't realistically avoidable

real shoal
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fine corruption* mods

calm shard
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Well don't worry because there aren't any in the current havoc rotation :)

real shoal
#

better way to put it anyhow.

calm shard
#

I guess DH rituals technically can corrupt you

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Because you have to fight a DH if you fuck up

real shoal
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Lol, imagine if they corrupted you before they were summoned, just for being inside the circle.

cyan verge
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don't give them ideas...

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if they implement it we'll have to deal with it for 6 months to a year before they reverse it

willow sluice
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it was my first class so basically at the time i had no idea about how to actually play well

cyan verge
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oh...

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I am looking at it now and yeah you wanna do more like, uh what weapon are you trying to use again

real shoal
willow sluice
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more like random

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depends on mood

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if i want to kill boss or trappers, plasma

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horde

cyan verge
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okay well that's not gonna fly because specific weapons kinda want specific nodes, for instance here is my plasma build (why does it have agile engagement)

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willow sluice
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the bullpup lasgun

real shoal
#

But really, it depends on your gun a lot. The super consistent part is that you throw grenades a lot, gun down important targets, shout on cooldown or when you're scared. And I'd recommend getting more comfy with melee, because so many vets just seem inept at it.

cyan verge
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this is a non-havoc build btw

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so no demo team

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but if you were going into havoc, guess what you probably want demo team...

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so there's lots of things like that

real shoal
#

demo team still good on aurics and maelstroms.

cyan verge
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vet tree is annoying

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yeah it is

willow sluice
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how so

real shoal
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Pretty consistent to get like 600 elite/special kills across the team, that's like 30 grenades extra on average.

real shoal
# willow sluice how so

Vet tree is powerful, but a lot of weapons have a lot of specific wants/needs. And their guns are good, but many have pretty specific breakpoints to function smoothly.

cyan verge
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which is all very boring but it's true

real shoal
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So while there's a decent amount of variation in your choice of keystone and nodes in the bottom of the tree, it's ultimately mostly spoken for based on your equipment.

cyan verge
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idr but I think plasma needs like +15 from ranged damage nodes and fire team to reach breakpoints for normal games

real shoal
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Plus, there's that big tax in the middle keystone tree to get Iron Will and Demo Team.

cyan verge
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and then I have no idea what happens in havoc but I guess you don't bring plasma so it doesn't matter question mark

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yeah

real shoal
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Otherwise, you simply never have grenades and feel squishy af

cyan verge
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you need iron will you probably want demo team

calm shard
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plasma is sitll good in havocs you just need your team to give you ammo

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since you're gonna be taking more shots to kill targets

tall torrent
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plasma is top tier in havoc u just don't give as much ammo to ur team

cyan verge
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oh

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well cool

tall torrent
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if ur team has like 2 melee frontliners + staff psyker then u can run plasma super comfortably

cyan verge
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I do have a havoc plasma build so I guess that is why

real shoal
#

Personally, I'm a huge fan of weapon specialist, but taking all those like 5-6 nodes just to get it really limits what guns you can bring and how effective they are. Basically costs you the entire left keystone tree.

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Fun playstyle tho

cyan verge
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weapon specialist is just the fucking strong

tall torrent
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power sword VI & plasma

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real shoal
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Lol, it usually pushes my gun/melee damage to even, if not melee skewed. A far cry from the like 5% melee, 95% ranged damage I see most of the time.

cyan verge
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oh that is what I have too, good

real shoal
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cry at no monster killer, no better frags, no field improv, and no reload on melee kill, lol. There's just so many nodes I want, lol.

willow sluice
hybrid token
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26 minute havoc 40 go brrrrrrrrrr

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cyan verge
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tbh you could go keystoneless and just take a bunch of other minor talents right

hybrid token
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i like all the vet keystones but god theyre so far down

real shoal
cyan verge
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yeah so for instance I have this many vet loadouts

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and I still wish I had more

real shoal
#

And if you look at Dragon Lily's scoreboard there, that's ~600 elites/specialists, so ~30 extra grenades for taking demo team. Such a silly skill node.

tall torrent
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I have like 4 for veteran

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used to be 3

real shoal
arctic rampart
tall torrent
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veteran 4
zealot 2
psyker 2
ogryn 2
arb 2

cyan verge
#

wow

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I just finished putting together like 6 for zealot

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for crit, non-crit thunderhammer, stealth oneshot, martyrdom, book, and beacon + book

arctic rampart
#

there's martyr or there's crit.. what else?

real shoal
#

wdy even do do with only 2 psyker loadouts?

But what about the same weapons with bubble, shriek, and scrier's? And what about the odd assail build, and a funny knife/fgs fake zealot build? And a full-on gun psyker build?

tall torrent
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I wish thunder hammer was good

tall torrent
cyan verge
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tbh I should probably trim some of these vet builds, some are a little uhhhh

arctic rampart
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^ yeah also eviscerator & flamer didnt feel bad 90% of the time

tall torrent
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I was gonna make a evis one tbh

hybrid token
tall torrent
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but it's so interchangeable with relic blade that I didn't bother to copy paste a new one

cyan verge
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like what is this

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it's some kinda recon lasgun build

real shoal
#

No elite damage? more than one point in focus target?

hybrid token
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i mean thats not terrible

arctic rampart
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I haven't played my zealot since relic blade came out.. I don't want it to make me rethink power sword

real shoal
#

That's actually pretty salvageable

hybrid token
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but putting 2 points to get improved frags is not it

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take those out and its fine honestly

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put them in the other gold tag points

real shoal
#

I do love improved frags, but I only usually get them if I'm going for bolt pistol for improved improved frags.

arctic rampart
#

^ yeah like ogryn/monstrosity damages is pretty good especially on some maps

cyan verge
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yeah, good tips, thanks, if I change those then I get this basically?

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calm shard
real shoal
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I usually skip max grenades since it's not particularly impactful on overall grenade economy.

cyan verge
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true, but it's 1 point cuz I take that extra crit chance node

tall torrent
hybrid token
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max grenades only matters when your picking up the grenade boxes which as a vet you generally shouldnt be

calm shard
#

damn okay

tall torrent
#

Stalwart is TDR + better toughness gain from kills

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Taking IJ kinda means I get taxed 2 points

calm shard
#

yeah true

tall torrent
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Cuz I don’t want either swift certainty or pious cutthroat

hybrid token
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personally im doing stupid shit atm lol

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tall torrent
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Backstab CDR is pretty limiting most of the time

hybrid token
#

guess the weapons

cyan verge
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plasma + tac axe

hybrid token
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0/2

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tac axe is pretty stupid tho

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so solid guess lmao

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shotgun go brrr

cyan verge
#

the accatran huh?

hybrid token
#

yeah

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i think its almost as good as the plasma gun but no one seems to agree with me

cyan verge
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hmmm that's bold

hybrid token
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like i wouldnt have done anymore damage on this run with a plasma

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1 million in 25 minutes is pushing a lot already

cyan verge
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yoooo +3 stamina in the shop!!!! oh it's the character with 3x +3 stamina curios already

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rip rip rip

hybrid token
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my psyker is sitting on 16% toughness curios for months now lol

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never any 17s

real shoal
tall torrent
hybrid token
#

it 2 taps any special or elite outside of ogryns at literally any range

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and if you aim the shot to hit multiple enemies it will kill all of them in 2 shots

tall torrent
#

U can go into psyk rn and immediately realize it does not even for base game health

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Not to mention havoc

hybrid token
#

or i can use it in havoc 40 all day like i do

real shoal
#

wdym? I run it on psyker all the time and have a similar experience.

hybrid token
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and know im correct

real shoal
#

2 taps are super common.

hybrid token
#

can have a cluster of like 5 shotgunners and i can fire 2 shots

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and all 5 will die

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not bad on beast if you can hit the back to

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pretty shit on spawns and pogryns tho

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hit like 5 or 6 regular green eye gunners at 40 metres and theyre all dead with 1 shell

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need to hit across multiple targets to get the good damage because of the minimum damage cap

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and your fast as fuck with it now to

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since they changed the movement profile last patch

real shoal
#

Yeah, like 5.8+ ms ime

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basically one of the pistols for speed

tall torrent
real shoal
#

Tell that to my ingame experiences with it. Still does exactly what you say it doesn't.

tall torrent
#

Max damage range went from 7 to 8.5m and min damage falloff starts at 14.5 instead of 14m

calm shard
hybrid token
#

it is by far the best combat shotgun

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besides, fire shell applying flechette is just funny

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not always that useful

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but funny

calm shard
tame lodge
#

states that is as good as the plasma
Immediately follows up with 2 tap instead of 1

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#nooticing

calm shard
#

those so called "consistent 2 shots at any range" don't seem so consistent in the psykhanium

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can't imagine in game where I'm not able to aim perfectly at their head or center mass will be better

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fire shells however are an any range 2 shot if one of them crits with flechette on shotgunners

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min pellet count DoTs them to death

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barely though

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it wouldn't do that in havocs

tame lodge
#

#nooticing

calm shard
#

oh the shotguns in question

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for testing fire shell I used the WS shotgun I have

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and for LMB shell the other one

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which admittedly is built for Zarona which is why it has Unyielding

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It'd probably be a more consistent 2 shot with flak instead

hybrid token
#

2 gunners killed with 2 shots at 30 metres

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calm shard
#

yeah it can

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tall torrent
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So just

calm shard
#

but also it just doesn't do that every time

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like at all

tall torrent
#

Not gonna 2 tap in havoc

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lol

calm shard
#

on auric gunners

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let alone havoc ones

hybrid token
#

i mean play it in havoc 40 all the time so lol

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and it works on groups of 4 guys just as well as 2

real shoal
hybrid token
#

i mean i have weapon specialist so

#

crits ARE assumed lol

calm shard
#

I'm using WS from ~25 meters and it is not guaranteed 2 shotting both gunners

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It does sometimes

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But not all the time

tall torrent
#

Clearly u should have been luckier with pellet spread

tame lodge
#

requires crit

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#nooticing

calm shard
#

it's veteran requiring a crit just means using weapon specialist and playing the game

tall torrent
#

With crit plasma 1 tap flamer inf range with consistent buffs active (marksman / rising heat)

calm shard
#

yeah

hybrid token
#

yes

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because plasma is the best gun

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well

#

rumbler is the best

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but still

calm shard
#

granted I don't really think the Accatran is a bad gun it's just the worst combat shotgun

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Can basically use it as a worse DB with more ammo

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They kinda fill the same role

tall torrent
#

Poor man’s ext3

tame lodge
calm shard
#

pretty much

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tame lodge
hybrid token
calm shard
#

well if you want to be more literal about it you can use the Zarona as a directly inferior ext3 if you just only fire special shells

tall torrent
calm shard
#

it does okay

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this does not scale into havocs though

hybrid token
calm shard
#

well yes

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but with a smaller spread

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so it kills less things

hybrid token
#

dont need spread when the horde is 30 deep

tall torrent
#

If combat shotguns had better min pellet count, faster ADS speed, instant sprint to fire and wasn’t so absurdly finesse oriented they’d be almost as good as plasma

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I like the concept of a gun that’s good mainly up to 15m as a quick specialist sniping gun that’s also good at blending ragers

calm shard
#

autopistol

tall torrent
#

Well, both ragers

calm shard
#

well I guess that's not a sniping gun and yeah

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them

tall torrent
#

Also there’s a pretty big discrepancy between hipfire and ADS for zarona and Accatran shotguns

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They changed agripinaa’s hipfire finesse profile to match ADS

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So rn that’s the only one actually competent at hipfire as long as u aim head

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I still think having to aim head with a shotgun is a bit silly

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Also shotguns kinda just inherently worse at sniping flamers cuz pellet can hit tank and drastically reduce damage

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0.2x damage taken multiplier

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Very peak design fatshark

hearty panther
#

i just bodyshot the flamers, not worth the risk

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two shots almost always cause no respite

covert fable
#

T axe with weapon specialist is chefs kiss

hearty panther
#

i am always horribly aggrieved when i am about to melee a flamer and my teammate 'helps' by throwing a bunch of fresh shot into their tank and now im CCing myself

tall torrent
#

just due to how they run at u

hearty panther
#

oh, basically no risk if you ADS, except the accatran cause that thing is uncontrollable

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also i said body but what i really mean is the dick

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blast them at the junk

tame lodge
#

Headshot 🗣️

hearty panther
#

virgin headshotter versus chad ballsmasher

azure narwhal
tall torrent
tame lodge
cyan verge
#

darktide doesn't have eggplant hitbox

hearty panther
#

i miss vanguard

tame lodge
#

Cope with Zealot's Unremitting

faint beacon
hearty panther
#

;_;

#

significantly worse pathing on that one for sure

tall torrent
#

Buff one motion to higher value and put vanguard back into one motion

#

Ez

hearty panther
#

filthy casuals killed vanguard in its crib before they realized out for blood had been made fucking amazing

azure narwhal
tall torrent
tall torrent
hearty panther
azure narwhal
azure narwhal
tall torrent
#

What it actually means is

#

As long as u don’t get hit (even if u block)
It’ll stay active

hearty panther
#

second last sentence

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if it was literally any time something swung a melee at you it would indeed be a dead node

tall torrent
#

It’s not “good”
But it’s still way better than GBITF lol

hearty panther
#

i still think it's good tbh

azure narwhal
hearty panther
#

for weenies you just wanna push before you block their hit

tall torrent
steel surge
#

I'm not really getting the hang of the helbore veteran, are there any melee oriented builds that reserve ranged for heavy damage on bosses/carapace?

tall torrent
#

Blocked a hit from rager? Too bad

#

Blocked a hit from sword captain? Too bad

hearty panther
#

yea ragers are just an auto-off button for it lmao

tall torrent
#

It needs to be much better

#

Controllable

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Is what I meant

hearty panther
#

at least the value of it isnt shit like EWEW on Zealot

tame lodge
tall torrent
#

Ogryn can hold m2 and get 12.5% per second

steel surge
calm shard
hearty panther
tall torrent
#

CaB is pretty attention intensive and gives 5%

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Very peak design fatshark

steel surge
azure narwhal
#

does the regen break if you get hit by an attack but you block? does this somehow interact with my devil's claw parry?

tall torrent
#

If u get hit, regardless if u block

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It’ll deactivate

azure narwhal
#

neat thanks, what about the blade

tall torrent
#

Which is what makes it “not good enough”

tall torrent
calm shard
#

just clicky the head how hard can it be

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azure narwhal
tall torrent
#

So if u block any attack with it, CaB will turn off

#

Very peak design fatshark

azure narwhal
#

sweet, thanks

steel surge
honest quiver
steel surge
#

Do you usually aim or hipfire with the helbore?

calm shard
#

aim

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always

honest quiver
#

aim, since you should be clicking for heads

calm shard
#

surgical is goated for ammo economy

tall torrent
azure narwhal
honest quiver
#

ur a good man

hearty panther
#

the hipfire on it isnt too bad if you stop moving the moment you fire, like in Battlefield

honest quiver
#

ohhhhh right

hearty panther
#

but then yeah the issue is more taking advantage of WoF and Surgical

azure narwhal
#

also one more thing lads so, i was hearing stamina regen beginning after 1s, on arbites on 0.5 and such... how is it exactly on every class?

hearty panther
#

which you arent if you hipfire

hearty panther
azure narwhal
#

kewl, thanks

honest quiver
#

correct

#

wow

azure narwhal
#

weird putting the ogryn equal on vet

honest quiver
#

he has such a big brain..

hearty panther
#

zeal also gets the benefit of 1.5 stamina regen per second

calm shard
#

and ogryn has better stamina because they have the highest base stam in the game

hearty panther
#

everyone else is just the 1

calm shard
#

and a talent that gives them stamina on hit

azure narwhal
#

sweet, thanks

hollow ibex
#

vet's stam economy is about comparable to 1920s weimar republic economy

honest quiver
#

could you elaborate my love

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i assume it is very bad

hollow ibex
#

It’s very bad yeah

hearty panther
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more like 1918's WWI gas attack survivor and two pack a day smoker tries to swim the english channel

hollow ibex
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And if you want to fix it, hope you’re ready to get taxed to hell

hearty panther
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last week i slapped a build together with no stamina delay nodes and it was the worst thing i ever did to myself

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i died to regular horde trash twice in an auric match and wanted to die irl

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i simply could fucken not at all manage such awful stamina economy

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and you're not an ogryn who can just use one push to stagger an entire group of ragers

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or their thicc, fat asses to shimmy slide a horde of walkers onto their faces

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now in some defense to myself and the game i legit built myself to be as close to old school launch day veteran as possible, so it was xstance and the garbo stamina together and only the 5% chance for grenade regen

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we'll say it was very humbling

tall torrent
hearty panther
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your mental must be insane

hybrid token
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dont use either of them

hearty panther
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i cant do it, im too melee psyker pilled

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and now arby

tall torrent
hearty panther
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its an addiction

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shout too im sure

tall torrent
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kill/stagger my way out of problems that need me to block

hearty panther
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and you probably had more than five grenades in your entire match

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god that match sucked

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someone definitely made a reddit post about me

tall torrent
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a lot of vet talents should be base kit

hearty panther
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i think the stam delay should be .75 baseline and then add one into the tree

tall torrent
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told that to a playtester already and he agreed

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and that grey node on tree needs to be easily accessible

faint beacon
hearty panther
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i was also thinking that same as arby's +25 toughness it could be something that is mandatory to take

faint beacon
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just the right amount of Delay on Stamina to not be fucking miserable

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and not be extremely powerful

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hearty panther
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one entire second of no dodge or stamina consumption is just

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a fucking eternity

faint beacon
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how it feels playing it

hearty panther
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did that dude plant a bomb

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or is he insanely lucky

faint beacon
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Insanely lucky

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I think I know what caused that

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Phone forgotten in pants

hearty panther
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guessing phone or vape pod type of shit

faint beacon
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heat up battery

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battery go boom

tall torrent
hearty panther
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maybe .25 should be baked into another node

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or like a keystone

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put it under weapon spec

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no

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it should be accessible to all