#veteran-class

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covert fable
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Is the mission long or is there that many enemiess

faint beacon
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Taxe is incredible

late jungle
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higher difficulties have more enemies so .

covert fable
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I see

late jungle
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and higher healthpools ..

narrow frost
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Havoc 40 increased enemy healthpools and spawn rates

covert fable
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I think highest I ever got on damnation was 570k?

narrow frost
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Mission had 3400 spawns iirc

covert fable
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I can't imagine how.many enemies in havoc 😭

narrow frost
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At least 2

covert fable
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Death speedrun

narrow frost
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If you want to watch some vet havoc

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I have some of my missions on my youtube

faint beacon
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I’m just curious if you ran MMF or FT

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Seeing vigil benefits from both

late jungle
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though i havent actually tried it out on vet ,,

narrow frost
narrow frost
narrow frost
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Havoc 40

covert fable
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I unlocked auric yesterday and I've won every game on auric but on damnation lost majority 😭

covert fable
narrow frost
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Yes

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Loved it

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We ran it a 2nd tine

covert fable
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lol imagine the smokes on low visibility

narrow frost
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But we also had no rending on the team

late jungle
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double barrel ..

narrow frost
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And 2 of us had revive shout

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Was this one

narrow frost
late jungle
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ive only ran revolver with ws i should probably try it out

narrow frost
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Fixed horde mulcher

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*mixed

covert fable
faint beacon
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Honestly should bring Vigil 7 into H40 seeing I literally only used it when Havoc literally just came out and I wasn’t even that great

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So it’s probably going to be drastically different

tropic notch
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Isn’t his base 5?

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Tac axe is 12.5

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Reso is 20

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Desp is 10

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47.5 in total

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You can add an extra 5 from that one node

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Guh

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It’s not the worst

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Why does psyker get all the love that vet needs

unreal nova
tropic notch
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With melee psyker you get 50 crit chance with tac axe

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I suppose 47.5 isn’t terrible that’s good

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But you gotta build it

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Where psyker you press a button and boom

late jungle
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well yeah but psyker is also the little baby boy class of this game and nobody wants to be a little baby boy

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think about it ..

tropic notch
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I like being a little baby boy

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I love melee psyker lol

late jungle
tropic notch
faint beacon
late jungle
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well thats why its the little baby boy class

tame lodge
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If anything it was the spoiled younger child

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😭

faint beacon
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Was*

tame lodge
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Focking launch vet

faint beacon
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Zealot is mummified

tame lodge
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Had all the toys

unreal nova
ebon river
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anyone know how to switch your weapons alternate fire?

tame lodge
covert fable
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Zealot is just a mini ogryn

normal bay
tame lodge
ebon river
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ahh, thanks

faint beacon
covert fable
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Is it that strong

tame lodge
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Mid at best

covert fable
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Remove arby, leave the dog

tame lodge
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Well the dog IS the best part

covert fable
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Yes

late jungle
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highkey the only reason i play arbi is for the dog yeah

covert fable
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I never thought I would see a pet

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I was so confused when I came back to the game after 2 years

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I was trying to smack this arbys dog 😭

late jungle
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i still do that all the time

covert fable
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Yup

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Imagine arby dog gets a cat skin 😭

late jungle
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Well we dont need that cus we're getting felinids next update

covert fable
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Whats that

late jungle
covert fable
faint beacon
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They don’t know about how stupid crusher/taxe is on Arby…

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Yeah hoe

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That word I guess

late jungle
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i use arbi taxe ashamed ashamed

faint beacon
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W and E being right next to each other

faint beacon
late jungle
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yeah !

plush kernel
covert fable
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T axe on vet has been so fun recently

late jungle
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i tried out the crusher on arby and didnt really like it all that much compared to the taxe

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and i dont really care for arbys exclusive melees ..

hollow ibex
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Crusher is a lot of fun, just kinda slow on arbi

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It does hit like a fucking truck tho

normal bay
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On a lone wolf forceful build though whatthefuck_heresy

hollow ibex
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Yah exactly

faint beacon
late jungle
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shorter crusher

steep flower
faint beacon
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Dueling Sword but better in a way

late jungle
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😒

faint beacon
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It just does everything

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0 downsides

steep flower
spring ocean
late jungle
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out of all the arby weapons i do really like the shotpistol ..

void dragon
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Wild dangerous though: what would be the impact of making VoC give piss toughness to every ally... except the veteran itself? How much of a nerf that is?

late jungle
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although the shield seems kind of pointless for the most part

faint beacon
normal bay
steep flower
faint beacon
void dragon
hollow ibex
sudden cedar
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The Veteran would probably flop to the ground

spring ocean
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Veteran needs that gold toughness honestly in his current state

sudden cedar
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Well.. the inexperienced Veteran

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A truely good Veteran probably does not need it.

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As much.

spring ocean
faint beacon
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Veteran even in my high levels of experience is literally

void dragon
wheat palm
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What's the usual setup for a BP?

faint beacon
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High highs and low lows

spring ocean
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especially with how gold toughness works

steep flower
faint beacon
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The fact Arby outdoes vet in ranged for uptime against ranged

void dragon
faint beacon
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Is a fucking crime

spring ocean
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I think it goes more to show that the standard has been shifted for whatever reason

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and that the other classes need a revamp

steep flower
normal bay
spring ocean
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did it?

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interesting

normal bay
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Back before the skill trees

void dragon
steep flower
spring ocean
steep flower
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its vets job after all

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especially with exec stance

spring ocean
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wtf why was it removed staregryn

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what is this

steep flower
spring ocean
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yeah, suppose so considering release

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I think for me it's more of why it hasnt been added back in yet

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maybe it's time now?

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sudden cedar
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Even with Castigators Stance active i don't want to be in gas or fire. In such situations it is meant to prevent damage that caught you off guard, not to wallow in it.

unreal nova
faint beacon
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If veteran even thinks of peaking they will get sent to the Stone Age

sudden cedar
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Just because you can does not mean you should.

steep flower
unreal nova
normal bay
sudden cedar
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I still don't want to.

void dragon
# steep flower just pay attention to bombers & flamers as they come

You could say the same to a bubble knight Psyker or an ogryn with Hstubber, the thing is that whit they have ways to challenge fire of the gunners, Veteran doesn't have a tool that is good of uptime (no ammo dependant like smokes) or as strong (the Arby toughness regen and ADS speed negation

faint beacon
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Honestly loops into Arby needs nerfs cause it’s actually fucking stupid

spring ocean
faint beacon
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They can tank multiple bursters

sudden cedar
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Iam of the firm opinion, just because you can does not mean you should.

steep flower
void dragon
tall torrent
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lol

unreal nova
sudden cedar
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Now we are trying to compare two different concepts with each other that shouldnt be compared

spring ocean
unreal nova
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Unless casti.

void dragon
steep flower
spring ocean
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if arbites was free, alright, sure, change it up

sudden cedar
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@spring ocean Most likely true.

spring ocean
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but when people pay for something, and then you make it worse, most people lose their sanity and then you have the review bombing

void dragon
sudden cedar
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Understandably they get upset when their toys are being taken away.

spring ocean
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yeah

unreal nova
spring ocean
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I personally dont care too much because its like 12USD which is hardly anything to me.

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but I know its alot to others.

sudden cedar
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Just like how everyone will go mad when the nerfs or.. adjustments.. for Duelling Sword and Plasma Gun roll in.

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Which are very much needed in my opinion.

spring ocean
void dragon
sudden cedar
void dragon
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And not even officially

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That levels of crazy people are

spring ocean
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insanity to me when people dont even know the actual numbers yet

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but thats just me

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playing dueling sword and plasma gun is like

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god tier hand holding

sudden cedar
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@void dragon You are right. Note how i not said anything specific. We only really know that something will happen to these weapons. What remains to be seen. But that is already too much it seems.

spring ocean
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like youre picked up by the gods and being carried to the end for free

void dragon
covert fable
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It's just

unreal nova
faint beacon
sudden cedar
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Yes, that is why those weapons "should" remain what they are. Because.. you know.. people would probably fall flat on their face when they discover how.. bad or good.. depending on your point of view, they truely are.

spring ocean
sudden cedar
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I am all for bringing the two more in line of what other.. good.. weapon options are.

unreal nova
void dragon
# spring ocean and how do you feel about it?

DS needs more adjustments, Plasma would need to see but looks like the weapon is quite weaker, maybe would need buffs later but the near infinite cleave going to M2 is a good balance

arctic rampart
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I don't see why DS or plasma needs adjustments before Arb/Ogry

normal bay
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Rumbler is fun ruining levels of busted

void dragon
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Rumbler with less aoe in all but suppression could actually work to balanc it somewhat I feel

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Because I don't see the MorbidlyobeseShrimp balancing infinite cleave

sudden cedar
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I'd say purely because they have been around in this state longer.

arctic rampart
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Just nerf the rumbler's double shot interaction from that one lucky talent

unreal nova
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And the fact oggy is still on the overtuned side.

void dragon
sudden cedar
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@normal bay I exspecially like the randomly exploding barrels because of the massive explosion radius KEKW_ogryn

faint beacon
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The fact Ogryn still hasn’t been hit with any nerfs at all is shocking as well

normal bay
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Remove the back off node tbh, provides so much damage and only really works on the rumbler

normal bay
void dragon
sudden cedar
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Like iam paying attention alright.. but.. when i don't even know where the barrel is going to explode.. 🙂

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💥

unreal nova
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Like, I get it, ppl want him to be strong, but atm, he gets breakpoints vet needs 30 points to hit on a pure melee build.

void dragon
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Because they actually have to reload, something that balances the weapon power

unreal nova
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On the heavy stubber.

normal bay
unreal nova
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Rumbler just decimates. If plasma too strong, rumbler just takes the cake.

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The problem is they only showed nerfs for the worst class mainstays.

sudden cedar
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But Ogryn like cake. Big rashuns.

heavy rover
unreal nova
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Without showing nerfs to other overtuned weapons.

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Eapecially with how nearly everyone knows how busted rumbler is, especially with how it applies AoE brittle.

void dragon
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Rumbler needs nerfs, ogryn needs specific surgical nerfs on perk tree, Arby is madness and it's shotgun is busted, there is a catalogue of things to nerf

void dragon
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Brittleness on aoe is dumb

unreal nova
covert fable
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I'm glad I'm a veteran enjoyer because it won't be getting nerfed anytime hehe

unreal nova
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Why people are annoyed.

void dragon
sudden cedar
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Carcharodon Gargantua

void dragon
unreal nova
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Like, they fixed dog so fast and broke other things on Arby.

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Rumbler bs not at least fixed.

covert fable
narrow frost
void dragon
sudden cedar
spring ocean
covert fable
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I was so hyped using combat shotgun when leveling up my vet

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Then I got to the higher difficulties..

narrow frost
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whuh

spring ocean
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which one are you using?

unreal nova
covert fable
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I have no clue

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I was using it a few days ago

void dragon
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Personally feel that even the Agri lacks s little bit of punch and keeps me more time reloading than fighting

spring ocean
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agri is great at burst and single target staggering

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but yeah, you can spend alot of time reloading at times.

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time to learn the movement tech to reload on the move

covert fable
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My day is over, I can finally play

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9pm 🗣

void dragon
spring ocean
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its pretty fast to pull out, shoot once, then go back to melee

late jungle
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saying that like the bolter doesnt take a good 10 hours to reload ,,

spring ocean
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if that isnt your playstyle though then yeah, I'd swap to bolter

late jungle
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(and to even take out)

spring ocean
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swap time is vastly different though

void dragon
spring ocean
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and I know some people enjoy shooting for a bit, then going to melee instead of the quick one taps on particular specials/elites that appear

spring ocean
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sounds like a lack of interest in the playstyle honestly

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because combat shotgun puts alot of things down fairly quickly

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except, you know, crushers.

void dragon
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Maybe I'm still not using it correctly, should try again later

covert fable
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what blessings do you guys run on T axe? im using relentless strike and Decimator

void dragon
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Headtaker and Bromentum

spring ocean
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yep those two

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if you're playing arbites you can run headtaker and shred instead

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but for vet its mentum and taker

covert fable
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thanks, ill try those 2

proper delta
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am i right to think kraks are actually good this event?

spring ocean
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they are

late jungle
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would still rather run shredders

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free armoursbane penance doe gasp

proper delta
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ive been running kraks for the penance and up until event ive constantly had the "wish i had shredders" thought

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and now im not

covert fable
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mobility dumpstat on bolt pistol or stability?

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stability i was thinking

proper delta
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collateral i think

covert fable
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WHAT

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does it have low collateral by default?

sudden cedar
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Something about breakpoints.

void dragon
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The Bistol is a good mobility stick and is goal is not the stagger enemies but to blow their heads

umbral scaffold
late jungle
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devils claw ..

umbral scaffold
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I will return soon to report the disaster against a single crusher

sudden cedar
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Please make detailed notes how much of you was a pancake on the floor.

umbral scaffold
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Emperor forgive me, cuz I know Nurgle won't

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I don't even have a havoc level chadgryn

cyan verge
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why is there only one of this fucking chest piece

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umbral scaffold
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I saw a party finder and said "fuck it lmao"

cyan verge
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like no recolours or anything

umbral scaffold
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Yeah, it's a dope chest

umbral scaffold
cyan verge
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yeah I just wish there was more variety like gloamus or forest camo or something

calm shard
tropic notch
umbral scaffold
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Minor self-tomfoolery

sudden cedar
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You can make it worse.

tropic notch
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Tbh I wonder if you use the brittle on crit the dcalw will be good

umbral scaffold
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I am using marksman's focus and no tactical awareness chadgryn

tropic notch
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Because the dcalw and vet have good crit

umbral scaffold
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If I use this for more than 30 minutes, Gabriel will play the trumpet in the heavens

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And mankind will pay for my sin

tropic notch
umbral scaffold
tropic notch
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Our shepherd is calling

brittle trail
tropic notch
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@tall torrent how dose exploit weaknesses synergize with the dcalw?

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I’m thinking about a dclaw havoc run

hollow ibex
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you're gonna have a bad time

tall torrent
tropic notch
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Or I might use chain axe and chain sword

tropic notch
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I wanted to use something ass

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Dcalw is slightly useable

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He stopped typing!

covert fable
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this sounds horrific

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tall torrent
covert fable
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how bad is maelstrom

covert fable
tall torrent
ember nest
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what do you mean it's the absolute best for psykers

covert fable
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bruh the mission disappeared 😭

tall torrent
tropic notch
ember nest
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I find it to be incredible fun while playing as a psyker

tall torrent
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this modifier should have smth like

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x1000 peril generation

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any psychic power used insta downs the psyker

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then it'll be peak

ember nest
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I keep forgetting that people who frequent #veteran-class also enjoy hitting themselves in the balls with a sledgehammer

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silly me

tall torrent
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psyker's entire kit is just busted

ember nest
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mfw the psyker is good at being a psyker (this is unfair to the worst class in the game)

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I can't wait for the vet rework man

tall torrent
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kinda defeats the point

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lol

ember nest
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its as if the modifier encourages thought towards this sort of thing

hollow ibex
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Psyker and bypassing game mechanics 🤝

tropic notch
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I like melee psyker

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I’m i allowed to be cool?

unreal nova
cyan verge
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combat knife psyker

sudden cedar
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You can be sure i wouldn't foam at the mouth from rage.

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A true and faithful zealot will endure.

ember nest
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Hmm I wonder what will happen when I bring the class that does not rely on ammo to the modifier that explicitly wants you to not rely on ammo

sudden cedar
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You get shoo'ed away because of your sorcery.

ember nest
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how strange....I seem to be having no issue with ammo. How queer.

tropic notch
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Tbh combat knife with gaze and dd is ridiculous

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So much burst dps

ember nest
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I personally just like running around with the FGS

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very fun on that modifier

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and less gunners to remind me that I suck against gunners

unreal nova
tropic notch
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Psyker getting more finesse than zealot or vet is crazy

cyan verge
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I need 2 more runs to get my maelstrom penance but I just know if I do it I'll either end up in a solo lobby with bots or 3 idiots who die instantly cuz they want access to havoc or something

tropic notch
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Why doesn’t vet have dd

late jungle
ember nest
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(for DS)

sudden cedar
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If you get three idiots that die instantly because they want access to havoc i would be glad if you can keep them out of havoc.

unreal nova
ember nest
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I mean vet at least has like
direct and immediate multipliers

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you don't really need to do much other than click the node

tropic notch
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With max buffs and a perfect knife with ripost and uncanny it will shred a bon in like 4-5 hits

covert fable
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tried a maelstrom and we just got pooped on

unreal nova
tropic notch
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I’ll never get why people don’t try gaze or think it’s “bad”

unreal nova
tropic notch
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Mhmmm today I will walk around with more finesse than a zealot for 10+ secs

cyan verge
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I think it is also harder to understand

unreal nova
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Lies, voidstrike gaze pain.

cyan verge
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tbh I still don't really get why it's so great

tropic notch
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Not at all gaze is amazing for staffs

cyan verge
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so it gives you more damage, so what, right

tropic notch
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10 secs of uninterrupted voidblast

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No quelling

cyan verge
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by comparison other people see like, what are your options, bubble? easy to understand, and uhh... vent

tropic notch
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Non stop

late jungle
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i honestly just use scriers to quell for toughness regen ,,

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i know venting shrieks there but i dont rlly care for the left side of the tree all that much

tropic notch
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Also I see no one talk about dd and it’s insane toughness gain

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Hi yes I’d like my full bar back please

late jungle
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dd fgs is the only psyker build i really ever run for the most part

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feels really.. free

umbral scaffold
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Fellas, I admit

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I don't use quietude or warp expenditure

azure narwhal
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after playing for a while with veteran i really am understanding the whole weird talent distribution for this guy, now i see why some do not take keystones, but here is my question

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Do i nuke these talents, so i can grab more gud passives?

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Thing is, i use boltgun

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i'm reloading like

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very frequently

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to not get caught with my pants down in fights

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and i do get WS value regardless, sure, but ever so rarely.

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what about, i leave melee attack speed, dump WS, get superiority complex and just roll with that regardless of weapon. i try to make my builds... inclusive? regardless of circumstances i like them to work well

umbral scaffold
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If you don't care about the stamina regen delay, it's fine

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You're sitting at the 1s base now and I personally am having an aneurysm

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This is the end of my build that uses power sword

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calm shard
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power sword needs neither of these talents

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it's one of the low commitment melees

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sure it's better with them, but what isn't?

azure narwhal
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perhaps

calm shard
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it's not like the combat axe that genuinely needs them

umbral scaffold
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Granted I also have shredder and nade regen, so if I'm really in trouble I just use the funny boom can

azure narwhal
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i would grab shredders but as you can see i'm torturing myself

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umbral scaffold
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I use the push attack frequently, so I want that delay

late jungle
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me trying to shove poxbursters with 0 stamina on vet

umbral scaffold
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Ideally I'd have 0.5, but holy shit that costs a lot

azure narwhal
umbral scaffold
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The node to the bottom left of superiority complex

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And the one right below duck and dive

azure narwhal
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ahh

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i see

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well thank you for the pointers

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i will keep it in mind

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maybe i'm not at that level yet where i feel the need for stuff like that

umbral scaffold
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After they gave arby a whole fucking 0.5s of delay, I don't think Fatshark can even say they left the delay nodes in vet's tree for "balance"

azure narwhal
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but it's also devil's claw saving my ass and keeping stamina well fed

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long as i time stuff

umbral scaffold
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Most cursed information

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May it help you until it doesn't

azure narwhal
round flint
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launch talent "trees" XD

umbral scaffold
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DC + vigilant wasn't awful

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Just uh

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Man, headshotting shit in the middle of a bar fight kinda sucks

calm shard
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Or well not identical because Vermintide's was vertical and Darktide's was horizontal

umbral scaffold
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So ture

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true

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turue

sudden cedar
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tRuE

covert fable
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Man auric maelstrom is SO cursed

umbral scaffold
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You're cursed

covert fable
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real

covert fable
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FINALLLY

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late jungle
hollow ibex
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420 🔥

tall torrent
kind bison
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Chainsword/Bolt pistol a good setup?

hybrid plover
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Power sword does feel really clunky without it.

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And that does hurt your horde clear when you do need it for that reason.

hollow ibex
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||on arbi||

kind bison
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Why would I ask about arby in vet's channel

hollow ibex
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ik you're not, i'm memeing

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chord sucks on vet

kind bison
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really

unreal nova
kind bison
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Unfortunate.

hollow ibex
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yeah chord got kinda fucked

unreal nova
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Bistol alone is good on vet.

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Lethal prox frags

kind bison
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bistol and power sword then

unreal nova
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Yeah.

hollow ibex
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pretty meta combo

tame lodge
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But hey

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If you got the skills

kind bison
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I'd like to use chainsword because the idea is that I wanna be like an ex-tank commander

tame lodge
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Anything works

kind bison
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I'm okay at middle difficulty vet.

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sunder/powercycler and deadly accurate/point blank?

tame lodge
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Power Cycler + Sunder/Brutal Momentum

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Preferably BM on mk6

kind bison
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So I'm making the right choices there, for the most part.

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What does enemy hit mass do

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Like does it reduce cleave

tame lodge
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Ok so

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Every enemy has a mass value

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Every weapon has a cleave value

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If your cleave is higher than the mass, your attack goes through and hit another target

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Until all your cleave depletes

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Brutal Momentum makes it so that on weakspot kills, you deal full damage to 4 targets

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If you still have cleave after those 4 targets you still keep damaging the 5th target and so on

kind bison
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Oh that's good

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And what about on the bistol, those good blessings?

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The more I think the less I like it

covert fable
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Thoughts on the infantry autogun?

kind bison
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I like it

covert fable
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I gave it a try and it shredss

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I forgot which variant

calm shard
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full auto death beam

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very very fun

covert fable
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Think I was using dumdum and deathspitter?

hybrid plover
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@kind bison just to clarify something about cleave, you will never normally cleave carapace. Sunder allows you to do so but really, you should moreso be focusing on killing crushers with high single target damage so in practice, you're usually still better off using Mk6 with bromentum

narrow frost
#

I love tickling like 3 crushers instead of 3 shotting 1 every 2 seconds

hybrid plover
#

Yap. Better just to put em down fast one by one.

#

And Mk6 block attack chain is quite literally one of the best combos for doing exactly that.

#

It's also why I'd always recommend using a stamina delay node with it. That moveset contributes so much to your dps that you want to have it available as much as possible.

dense belfry
kind bison
#

How is veteran this fucking weak >.<

narrow frost
#

2

kind bison
#

Like I am TRYING

#

But this class went from the best in the game to the literal worst.

#

yeah no I'm done for tonight.

#

I'm going to play something fun, like HZD.

narrow frost
void dragon
#

Talking of having fun?! In an ObeseFish compliant discord?! Is that legal?
-Me, as I'm playing Punch out on a 3DS

dense belfry
spark helm
#

Veteran definitely not lacking. I don't run around in havoc yet but the class doesn't feel that different from when i last played. Maybe other shit like arbites is just loudly easier to be effective but whatever new class swag and all that.

supple laurel
#

is heavy sword horde clear light spam or heavy spam

#

also veteran is weak in comparison to other classes

#

it needs a slight rework

faint beacon
#

Usually Light Heavy or Special Heavy unless its Mk9

#

then its Heavy Spam

supple laurel
#

mark ix

#

whatever that mark is

#

@faint beacon

faint beacon
#

yeah its Light (Heavy Loop)

#

Light being the opener

supple laurel
#

so light heavy repeat?

faint beacon
#

Light once and then you just heavy spam

supple laurel
#

thanks

faint beacon
#

cause after 1 Light its Vanguard heavy sweeps

hybrid plover
supple laurel
#

veteran is the most straightforward tho

tall torrent
supple laurel
#

yeah i would disagree but firShrug

tall torrent
#

Most straightforward is zealot

#

Not much complex mechanics going on

kind bison
#

Nah Veteran used to be a lot better than it is now

#

It's fucking awful now

austere mica
#

By comparison

#

Veteran has grown no weaker since patch 13

#

Everyone else is just better one way or another, or at least a lot easier

hybrid plover
#

Veteran is complicated to play. That's why people think it's weak.

austere mica
#

They see gun man and think gun

#

When in actuality it’s use every part of your kit on a 15 second cycle

hybrid plover
#

Even psyker is surprisingly easier to understand when you know not to do the funny blowing up thing.

austere mica
#

Psyker is second least complicated if you play staves

#

If you play melee it’s the most

#

And some staves probably beat zealot complexity wise

#

Purgatus

hybrid plover
#

Honestly, melee psyker for me is easier to play than vet tbh

austere mica
#

Hold 2 buttons and win

hybrid plover
#

Just because it's so obscenely strong.

austere mica
#

Melee psyker is simple if you know your fundamentals well because then it’s just your every day but you hit like a truck

#

If you don’t it’s a struggle to stay up because 2 hits will be half your health

hybrid plover
#

I guess. Yeah. Skill ceiling does play a part in that.

faint beacon
#

if you can't consistently hit heads

#

do not play Veteran

#

its that simple

austere mica
#

If you can’t consistently hit heads

#

Play ogryn

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Or staff psyker

#

Either or

faint beacon
#

relic blade Zealot

#

or Arby in general

austere mica
#

Relic blade has good finesse

#

Well

#

Good enough

hybrid plover
#

Nah relic blade has good finesse

#

You wanna hit heads for using it proper.

faint beacon
#

You can use it incorrectly and still get incredible value from it

austere mica
#

And arby has stuff like Soulguilt and lots of their good picks are finesse weapons

#

Oh yeah also fuckin

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Concussive

#

Nearly forgot about it

faint beacon
#

Its funny as fuck cause like certain weapons you might not even need concusive for usually hordes

#

cough Taxe

#

but still its one of the best picks

austere mica
#

Concussive is the skullcrusher enabler

#

Yes I would like to do 80% more damage to bosses for the whole team

tame lodge
#

And the funniest part is none of his exclusives have Skrusher

austere mica
#

Intentional but yeah

tame lodge
austere mica
#

Skullcrusher on either exclusive would be utterly fucked

tame lodge
#

Has Opportunist though

#

Probably for the rending builds

faint beacon
austere mica
#

Death

faint beacon
#

would actually shatter the already fragile balance this game has

#

literally Arby would turn the game off LMAO

hybrid plover
#

Good god I do not want to think about arby maul having skullcrusher

tame lodge
faint beacon
#

Better DS having 80% damage increase on demand

tame lodge
#

🛌

faint beacon
#

LMAO

faint beacon
#

dog

#

the turn the game off selection

tame lodge
calm shard
#

Maximizing that dogs value takes a lot of effort

hollow ibex
#

me using macros to do it all for me

calm shard
#

does your macro know DOG TECH™

hollow ibex
#

too lazy to go that far

calm shard
#

then your macro is not peak dogbites

hollow ibex
#

i want to play the game, not observe the waggle of my dog's ass to find the exact right moment to order pounces

calm shard
#

precisely why dogbites is hard

crimson pebble
#

want to play game
macro

tame lodge
#

They are playing Arbis

#

They already don't want to play the game

#

Next dlc class will just automatically play the game for you

hollow ibex
unreal nova
#

Autoaim, inf ammo feeder

grand perch
#

Ah, gun servitor class

#

Some tech priest on the ship playing you like it's Contra

unreal nova
#

All you do is make the talent tree.

rare vale
#

Get why some people would want that but it makes more sense as an independent game
Not Darktide

#

All the people defending Arby baffle me

frigid shuttle
#

I would never get a left-click macro with dual daggers/axes.

crimson pebble
#

sounds like skill issue

frigid shuttle
#

I am sorry you feel that way, hope you get help with that.

calm shard
frigid shuttle
#

not thinking the class should be nerfed to the gutter, probably

calm shard
#

Because I only defend them in the sense that I disagree with some peoples belief that they are the strongest class in the game

#

I don't disagree that they need to be nerfed despite that tho lol

frigid shuttle
#

arby is strongest, at a certain level

#

But vet spamming golden toughness is kek

calm shard
#

No shitters would be better on ogryn imo

rare vale
calm shard
#

Ogrynheimer and Psyker are stronger than the Arby's we have the meats

late jungle
#

i just dont want them to overnerf arby ,,

frigid shuttle
#

don't tell fatshark

calm shard
#

NERF THEM INTO THE GROUND

frigid shuttle
#

they'll not buff psyker

calm shard
#

INTO THE DIRT

#

UNDO THE SKILL TREE REWORK FOR THEM ONLY

frigid shuttle
hybrid plover
#

I think the main problem with arbites is not that they're necessarily the strongest class.

frigid shuttle
#

They're super safe.

#

That's the thing

hybrid plover
#

Yep.

frigid shuttle
#

I want to play sloppy, I play arbites

calm shard
#

They're not just super safe

#

Their skill tree is well designed too

hybrid plover
#

Turn your brain off and you'll still hold up while doing way high damage for barely any investment.

calm shard
#

So it's harder for idiots to fuck up their build and be weak

frigid shuttle
#

infernor staff psyker goes Fire

#

problem with arby is that it 'dominates' in auric and below

calm shard
#

Zealot and Ogryn have a lot of safety too, but they also have enough bad skills that you can gimp your build and make yourself much weaker because of it

#

Especially with Zealot

frigid shuttle
#

because density is too low

hybrid plover
frigid shuttle
#

No?

late jungle
#

well.

frigid shuttle
#

Just bubble lmao

late jungle
#

that one talent that makes u dodge all ranged attacks

#

inferno goes kinda crazy on the crits

hybrid plover
#

It's not the ranged attacks that are the whole problem.

frigid shuttle
#

how you dying in melee as infero psyker?

hybrid plover
#

Have you ever been suddenly swarmed by the small population of a town of carapace?

calm shard
#

crushers doing the same thing

frigid shuttle
#

why isn't your vet golden showering you?

hybrid plover
#

Like you still have to be properly aware of your surroundings even with inferno staff.

calm shard
frigid shuttle
#

Ahh

#

Understandable.

hybrid plover
#

Arbites. Main thing that troubles them are disablers. And if you have dog, only one of those can truly lock you down.

unreal forge
#

you guys think inferno staff is bad try playing one game of VT2 with a Sienna

#

you won't get to kill things

#

you'll watch one guy play the game

frigid shuttle
#

wdym bad

hybrid plover
#

As in really strong.

unreal forge
#

as in annoying

hybrid plover
#

Because it is.

calm shard
#

Vermintide 2 is why I fucking despise flamethrowers being good in that game and this one

#

The Flamethrowers should be bad

frigid shuttle
#

I don't think inferno staff is annoying at all, it frees me to snipe elites and specials

calm shard
#

They should intentionally be garbage

unreal forge
#

lol

#

good thing you're not designing a game then

calm shard
#

Because other people don't get to play if they are not bottom tier trash

#

Horde shooter without the horde because some guy brought the flamethrower

unreal forge
#

I don't see zealot's flamer ruining anyone's game man

frigid shuttle
unreal forge
#

it's not inherently bad

calm shard
#

Yeah because the zealot flamer is kinda shit

unreal forge
#

well that changes things if you see it that way, the flamer is great at its job (without being 'broken'), it's just not infinite ammo

late jungle
steep flower
steep flower
# unreal forge I don't see zealot's flamer ruining anyone's game man

it does not ruin games unless zealot is the only one alive & there are range units in a bad position for the player to access; also in general gameplay sometimes having a flamer is like having no range option cause things are managed well & there is no need to flame while ranged units are unaffected cause they are beyond 24m

steep flower
spring ocean
unreal forge
#

having to rely on teammates and blades for ranged is really tough

#

bistol with the gloryhunter talent has felt great honestly

steep flower
steep flower
unreal forge
#

underrated for sure, especially for a character that relies solely on melee kills for toughness

steep flower
fickle wadi
#

What does this mean [SP → BC → s.L1 → s.L2 → s.L3]

normal bay
#

SP = Special

#

L = Light

#

BC = Block cancel

supple laurel
#

i hate reapers 💔

#

good to know the shock maul has negative 5 reach

late jungle
#

yay !

pallid jetty
#

bro doesnt know about the most op mechanic in the game - ||karkin cover and wall lol lmao eks di||

austere mica
supple laurel
#

from what i recall from using it

austere mica
#

Oh right they buffed it

supple laurel
#

yeah

#

its not horrible now

austere mica
#

I forget if the buff affected its uny damage though

supple laurel
#

either way

#

just do heavy light spam

#

or whatever does the bonk swings

#

its light heavy or heavy light

misty prairie
#

focus target or weapons specialist

#

which is better

austere mica
#

Weapon spec generally

#

Actually enables interesting synergy instead of being the “take this to make breakpoints and hurt bosses” keystone

muted peak
#

any tips on completing this penance?

image.png
#

and how does sneaky vets play?

#

with infiltrate I mean

calm shard
#

use it as a worse VoC that gives you more damage

#

because that's what it is

#

also don't stay in stealth any longer than you have to or you WILL get your teammates killed

stable socket
#

so while it's facing away from you, just pop executioner stance, aim down sights and shoot that thing 4x

calm shard
#

Or y'know

#

lock in

#

hit your shots as they say

stable socket
#

pretty sure with a recon lasgun you can just spray anything walking towards you in the face and it should also work

unreal nova
spring ocean
dawn garnet
steep flower
steep flower
normal bay
#

Meleeing a reaper with a shock maul is... Ambitious...

steep flower
steep flower
#

or both

frigid shuttle
#

dodging right into the open instead of using the pillar to los the reaper is also a choice

late jungle
#

why is their gameplay being analyzed tears

spring ocean
#

dunno

tough tiger
#

bro could have just shouted tbh

kind bison
frigid shuttle
willow sluice
#

i got a good question

#

why i cant use the plasma gun iron sights

#

also why my plasma gun machine spirits absolutely hate me

willow sluice
#

like i would like to aim with the iron sights

normal bay
#

Same

#

But we'll have to settle for squinting a bit

willow sluice
#

is thier like a weapon you wanna see

#

like heavy stubber gun for vet and stub pistols

#

also fun fact@normal bay

#

thier is a stub pistol that is literally a m1911

#

it somehow survived 40k

#

like imagine it was added in the game

sonic kayak
#

Wrong reply but yeah

willow sluice
sonic kayak
#

I meant to reply to your M1911 message KEKW_ogryn

tame lodge
#

But if it's like the in-game ogryn one

#

Then it's just a vigilant

#

With full auto

willow sluice
#

yes

azure narwhal
#

How do the autoguns fare against each other? are any overall just better or is it build/enemy dependant

willow sluice
#

basically like the one dreg gunner use

tame lodge
#

Vigilants are DMRs

#

Braced Auto is eh

#

But usable

azure narwhal
#

I see, sounds like infantry will be more for me then. I'm just looking for a sturdy full auto rifle, but nothing crazy RPM wise

hollow ibex
#

if you use IAG

#

use Agri or Vraks

willow sluice
#

thier is a vrak Auto pistol that is just a mac 10

hollow ibex
#

the middle child (columnus) is kinda shit

azure narwhal
#

these are the guns i've managed to collect thus far (ones that i also like ofc) all with the right dump stats. Are any of them meh?

image.png
#

nevermind the two double barrelled, one i forgot to trash

willow sluice
#

yoo what weapons you wanna see added

#

for me is heavy stubber for vet and more stub pistols

tame lodge
azure narwhal
#

i was debating double barrelled shotgun vs combat but double barrelled just sounds hot.

tame lodge
#

Double Barrel shotgun is a pretty good mixed hordes mincer

#

Often paired with the Weapon Specialist keystone

azure narwhal
#

i see

#

alright sweet, thanks. i'll try to gamble an infantry autogun then

willow sluice
#

is Anyone gonna answer my question?

azure narwhal
#

no

#

jk

#

i'd like to see halberds

#

cause i'm a medieval nerd

tame lodge
#

Well I don't have a specific choice

#

But I'd be happy with a new melee

willow sluice
#

is it funny that somehow the m1911 still somehow around in Warhammer

#

like it survived 40k years and still going

#

you got goofy ones that is goofy

#

like one that is just a mauser but fatter

#

or the auto pistol from vrak that is just a mac 10

sudden cedar
#

Just wait until you figure out that the Leman Russ is just a WW1 tank chassis combined with a mounted rotational turret

willow sluice
#

i mean in its defense

#

most to nearly all the weapons are literally just big E tried to recreate weapons from memory after the ancient apocalypse happens

sudden cedar
#

The ancient apocalypse of.. 20k-30k

willow sluice
#

he probably thought of a Tonka truck when design a leman russ

sudden cedar
#

Which means 18k years have already passed

willow sluice
#

yeah

sudden cedar
#

since the 2k

willow sluice
#

atlease it worked

sudden cedar
#

M2, which we are in.

willow sluice
#

yeah

sudden cedar
#

The Leman Russ Battle Tank is really, i mean, really, just a MK1 with a turret on top of it

willow sluice
#

yeah

sudden cedar
#

Or any of the MK-line from I to V

tame lodge
#

Tank M3 Lee 40k when

willow sluice
#

should weapons from necromunda

#

like thiers alot of different variety of weapons

#

since necromunda is basically Detroit in a nutshell

sudden cedar
#

Should they what?

willow sluice
#

like they can use it inspiration

sudden cedar
#

I don't think they lack that.

willow sluice
#

just in Case

sudden cedar
#

Plenty of source material for weapons.

#

More a question of animation, sound-design, rigging, designing the weapon, make it interact with the game-systems.. etc.

junior grail
#

Is it holiday season for the devs?

sudden cedar
#

Yes.

#

Carcharodon Gargantua is on holiday leave.

junior grail
#

Makes sense

#

Was expecting cosmetics rotation

sudden cedar
#

There will be a rotation, probably. Of something we've already had.

junior grail
#

Hoping for the Savlar coat for Vet

sudden cedar
#

Eventually.

#

Maybe.

muted peak
#

but someone else already helped with that

covert fable
#

what keystone would u guys run with combat blade? focus target?

narrow frost
#

whatever you want

covert fable
#

i normally like weapon specialist but only for the attack speed but

narrow frost
#

you mainly want the left 2 keystones for more ranged damage

#

right side is perference

#

but is mainly melee focused

covert fable
#

yeah

#

im using combat blade with uh infantry autogun

narrow frost
#

keystonless is also good

covert fable
#

yeah im starting to see hwo the veteran class tree is

#

well

sly orchid
covert fable
#

infantry autogun has to be the most batshit crazy gun

spark helm
#

So let's say that hypothetically, I wanted to be obsessed with making the plasma gun as good as possible. Am I going with the 80%/60% dump setup or is there something better that people worth their research have already figured out?

spark helm
#

Vraks Mk V is still as strong as its been for ages now.

#

Forgot what it's original mark name was.

#

It was Columnus but idr the exact mark number atm.

covert fable
calm shard
spark helm
#

Is that the actual spread?

trim badger
#

Is the minmax of plasma

spark helm
#

How come? Genuine question.

narrow frost
steep flower
trim badger
#

Higher values still allow You only to fire 8 times

#

So anything higher than 68-69 is a waste

steep flower
willow sluice
#

hay i realized something

narrow frost
willow sluice
#

i cant read stats at all

#

like probably thats why i eat ass the entire time

sly orchid
willow sluice
#

like my build is literally the wabbajack

tame lodge
covert fable
#

i tabbed out and died to a barrel

#

peak gameplay

arctic rampart
willow sluice
#

like what is aura or passive stat do

hollow plank
#

I have finished all of the penance for veteran finally

proper delta
#

Is there a bogstandard Lasgun mk that’s recommended? The one I have seems extremely jumpy when firing consecutive shots

spark helm
#

You'll get used to it when you have more control over that but last I remember just about all of them are pretty solid when specializing with it save the Kantrael Mk IX. I haven't bothered to check any of the patch notes lately so I don't know.

#

Man...I feel dumb trying to roll for that plasma gun. 1 mil ordos spent on flubs.

#

Fuck i hate gambling lol

covert fable
tame lodge
willow sluice
#

good question

#

whats the best advice for using the plasma gun

narrow frost
#

l1

#

l1

#

l1

#

l1

willow sluice
#

without violently exploding

narrow frost
#

only left click

#

never explods and is less ammo hungry

willow sluice
#

because the machine spirits hates me

narrow frost
#

and is more dps

#

never right click

willow sluice
narrow frost
#

never worth it

#

left trigger

willow sluice
#

yeah but i wanna kill that trapper or boss

narrow frost
#

huh?

tall torrent
tame lodge
#

The trapper? Left click

narrow frost
royal hedge
#

Weakspot and Critical damage are 2 different stats right?

tall torrent
#

Don’t use the braced charge shot

willow sluice
#

like i want both dead

stone zealot
upbeat rapids
#

then shoot them

tame lodge
tall torrent
narrow frost
#

boss? left click

royal hedge
#

Okthen

tame lodge
#

Body
Weakspot
Critical Body
Critical Weakspot

willow sluice
tall torrent
narrow frost
#

real

tame lodge
narrow frost
#

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stone zealot
tame lodge
jaunty tinsel
#

do you guys have any ideas for particular weapons/builds for defeating the Twins on hardmode?

#

my default doesn't seem to be doing enough

willow sluice
#

my plasma gun machine spirits really don't like me and suicidal

#

it will explode

narrow frost
#

infantry auto gun for rinda barrier

tame lodge
narrow frost
#

Taxe vraks mk5 is what I use

willow sluice
jaunty tinsel
#

what are mobility weapons?

willow sluice
#

you have legs?

#

thats mobility

narrow frost
#

weapons with good dodge distance/speed and sprint speed

#

knife/DS/Tactical axe

willow sluice
#

i feel no difference with dodging with all weapons ngl

#

like i may be dumb as hell when it comes with builds or stats

#

but i be like "random bullshit, go!"

jaunty tinsel
willow sluice
#

weapons has mobility?

#

i know chain weapons do like have a perk to make you go fast when its reving

jaunty tinsel
narrow frost
#

for that fight, yes

jaunty tinsel
#

any particular nonobvious perks? i just build for VoC (no revive) and toughness

narrow frost
#

yup

#

all the norm stuff