veteran-class

[tall torrent]

yea shame it's still not good enough

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bruno-encanto-bruno-we-dont-talk-about-bruno-gif-24427062

[safe raptor]

Just make the ammo aura hidden passive, like his other one

Although that might make the 90% accuracy 0 ammo penance a chore

[carmine zealot]

I recall reading somewhere that if you empty your ammo pool out completely, any generated ammo after that point doesn't count toward the penance. Dunno if it's true.

[distant mural]

Everyone wants to be like oggy but they dont wanna be large with a massive hitbox

[quick burrow]

what is the best inf lasgun brothers

[narrow widget]

2% reload speed take it or leave it

[tall torrent]

I was more thinking of recoil reduction

[unreal forge]

aint no one taking that

i think definitely one of the auras should be more ranged damage

another could be ranged damage resistance?

[tame lodge]

2b or 7

Pending to 2b side

[trim badger]

I always found funny how vet essentially has 3 nodes that affect combat ability outside of the combat ability section itself

No other class does this right?

[tall torrent]

zealot does

[narrow widget]

zealot

nvm path said it already

[trim badger]

What talent, I forgor

[tall torrent]

IoD, martyr's purpose, pious cutthroat

[trim badger]

Ok but like

NOT cooldown related

[trim badger]

Stuff that directly affects the combat ability when using the combat ability I mean

[quick burrow]

i shall try the 2b thank you, this nw weapon mastery system is forcing me to try other weapons than my comfy ones

[tall torrent]

og has 1
arb has 1

[trim badger]

Oh yeah get stuck in

Which is the one for arby?

[tall torrent]

forceful subnode

[trim badger]

I guess that counts

[tame lodge]

I'd say that is a bit weird that one is on a keystone
But psyker exists

[undone jungle]

Lowk how I felt when Helbores finally became usable and I had a reason to play Vet for any reason other than plasma gun

[tall torrent]

I think helbore is at best equal with plasma rn

It’s sorta team dependent

[quick burrow]

am not a fan of inf autogun or inf lasgun 😦

[tall torrent]

If ur team has nobody needing a lot of ammo then its value may not be as good

[tame lodge]

They always have been usable

https://tenor.com/view/desiler-giga-chad-gif-9574825124538696572

[narrow widget]

yeah therefore they should nerf shredder autopistol

[quick burrow]

loaded up a match to pop some heads insta crusher horde i pinged away at them then gave up and tried to shovel repeated next match. I miss my recond lasgun and plasma

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-i-miss-my-wife-gif-11815978239493048011

[quick burrow]

will the heavy laspistol give me the decent vs everything guns i crave find out next time on how fast can i wipe my auric team

[tall torrent]

It’s very crit reliant vs maniac and unyielding

[tame lodge]

And you still won't shoot carapace with it

[quick burrow]

i will dammit with my crappy old laspistol from another age

[ember nest]

Does this benefit from regen speed at all

Like on curios

[past stratus]

that's a question for bath

[steep flower]

No

[past stratus]

I have no clue

[ember nest]

All these synergies...nonexistent....

[steep flower]

[unreal forge]

the one on curios is only for coherency toughness regen

fatshark forgot to mention that part

[tall torrent]

Ofc not

[ember nest]

Aaah that tracks

[red fox]

on what weapons is rending strikes good for

im assuming Bolter doesn't need that

[shy jasper]

None. It’s too little rending to build around.

[red fox]

oh really

I would think on something like lasgun it would be good, repetitive hits and all

*recon lasgun

[shy jasper]

That’s onslaught, which is good with recon las

[past stratus]

Rending is basically +10% damage against armor to put it simply

so theorically in any weapon that struggles against armor

it's shitte either way

[hollow ibex]

Nah it’s good

Unless you’re running weapons with high ADMs

Then it’s bad

[tame lodge]

Ilas

Lemme remember others

[hollow ibex]

Stuff like plasma and bolter don’t see much benefit

[tame lodge]

I think Vigis get it because of maniacs

[hollow ibex]

Laspis

Recon las

IAG

Shredder

[tame lodge]

Dclaw because flak 💀

Rashad might take it for carapace purposes

[hollow ibex]

A lot of guns and melee have weak ADMs against specific armor types that rending help with

[tame lodge]

Oh of course tactical axe

I'd say Shock Maul but Smaul only struggles against monstrosities
So you got a bolter for that
So you end up not needing

Try not to say so challenge

[unreal forge]

you shouldnt be trying to make weapons bad against armor work against armor

in general there's very few reasons to bother SHOOTING carapace

but rending strikes is pretty bad considering there's almost always another talent that buffs damage against everything instead

[hollow ibex]

Wrong as usual Raiva but that’s ok

[tame lodge]

[red fox]

Who do i listen to guys

you can't expect me to think for myself

they drilled that out of us in the militarum

I have never lost a rolling steel before

that sucked

[shy jasper]

If you really want to make a fast shooting gun work against carapace onslaught is just better.

[hollow ibex]

i'm just regurgitating what the vet guide author will tell you tbh

i don't agree on path with everything

but he doesn't miss when it comes to vet things

[hollow ibex]

onslaught is a trap / meme

whenever i see people recommending onslaught over rending strikes

https://tenor.com/view/face-crumple-cringe-pink-face-original-high-quality-gif-26179553

[shy jasper]

And rending strikes las isn't?

[hollow ibex]

nope, actually good

unlike onslaught

[shy jasper]

5th shot is literally just better rending strikes

[tame lodge]

Just run psword Helbore ad infinitum

They have no problems with no armor bullshit

Truly the perfect weapons

Tf is a 5th shot

[unreal forge]

In what kind of build is rending strikes somehow better than the other options?

[tame lodge]

And why would I take a 5th shot

[hollow ibex]

many builds

[unreal forge]

example?

[shy jasper]

the fifth time you shoot the target. 12.5% brittleness vs 10% rending

[tame lodge]

5th shot

5th

Oh god

It takes 5 shots

[hollow ibex]

any combination of the weapons perfectionist and i listed above

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

and prob more

[unreal forge]

Sirosky are you really the type of guy to shoot crushers with the Recon Lasgun

wow

[hollow ibex]

and shit like this is why you're constantly getting into arguments with the entire server

attention-seeking behavior

[unreal forge]

lol

hey if the type of guy to disagree with me is the type to argue for building the Recon to shoot Crushers I think that's telling

[tame lodge]

????

Sirosky states that onslaught is a trap

And you need Onslaught on recon to shoot crushers

The points aren't connecting

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean i couldn't even bother engaging with him

he's just borderline incoherent

[unreal forge]

Hey try reading what he said

[tame lodge]

Oh I did

[unreal forge]

Did you really?

[tame lodge]

Yeah where's the recommendation for shooting carapace with recons?

[junior grail]

Curious to know the math between Rending Strikes and Onslaught

[hollow ibex]

please stop engaging with the attention seeking fetishist please

[junior grail]

I desire education

[trim badger]

Imagine building recon in general, mega cringe behaviour 8)

[tame lodge]

True

[unreal forge]

.

right here, Perfectonist

In response to what weapons rending strikes is good with, Sirosky mentions Recon and other las guns

[hollow ibex]

it's very simple. onslaught is worse than rending strikes until the 5th shot

as for when the damage actually catches up, will vary between weapons

and that's more complicated to calculate

[trim badger]

I wish vet had a sniper

I'll have to be satisfied with hellbore buff

[hollow ibex]

so it will take at least 5 shots for onslaught to catch up with rending strikes

on the same wep

[tame lodge]

That doesn't say shooting crushers with recon

So basically

[unreal forge]

pfffft

[tame lodge]

You're just saying shit to say shit

[unreal forge]

pathetic how low you gotta reach to try to argue this

[tame lodge]

Got it

[junior grail]

Ahhh so I assume

High RoF -> Onslaught
Low RoF -> Rend Strikes

[tame lodge]

[unreal forge]

Maybe admit that you were wrong

[hollow ibex]

more like

onslaught -> ok IF you're shooting crushers with recon las mkxii, vraks and SAP
rending -> ok or good on most weapons

i regret not saving down path's onslaught copypasta when i had the chance

[tall torrent]

This is why I don’t read this chat as much now

[hollow ibex]

path give us your onslaught copypasta

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

I don’t have a copypasta?

[junior grail]

Prayge to Path

[hollow ibex]

screenshot of your guide

on the onslaught section

[tall torrent]

I don’t take rending strikes most of the time either

[tall torrent]

I’m eating

Just made pasta and broccoli with fried eggs

[junior grail]

I'd eat you

[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[hollow ibex]

do you take rending strikes more often, or onslaught

[tall torrent]

I take neither on any of my builds lol

[trim badger]

Slaneesh behaviour

[tame lodge]

Bro really went from
Weapons that take rending strikes
To
Shoot crushers with recons

😭

[junior grail]

Kroot*

[tame lodge]

Sorry I'm just fucking dying right here

[tall torrent]

I play a total of like 3 builds on vet

And I just don’t use weapons that rly care about rending

[junior grail]

Mind sharing if you're free Bath?

[hollow ibex]

you don't use SAP/recon las/IAG etc.?

are you only running helbore now these days?

[tall torrent]

No

[hollow ibex]

not even laspis?

[tall torrent]

Eh, not currently

[trim badger]

PLASMA GUN!!!

[tall torrent]

I changed plasma perks btw

[frigid shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-yes-no-maybe-scarecrow-gif-23290347

[junior grail]

I want a plasma pistol

[hollow ibex]

what do you even use for guns then 😭

[trim badger]

I decided to change unarmored for maniac in plasma

[tall torrent]

Plasma, helbore, boltgun, revolver

[trim badger]

Seems to be working better for me

[tall torrent]

Flak for maniac

Unarmored still good

Cuz tox bomber

[hollow ibex]

oh yeah figures none of those would need rending

[tall torrent]

Maniac gives flamer crit 1hs in havoc

[trim badger]

But reaching svab gunner 1shot in havoc is more reliable with +flak than reaching dreg gunner 1 shot with +unarmored wa

[ember nest]

Flamer?

[tall torrent]

Need red node to get anywhere close to 1hs either gunner

[trim badger]

Well yeah I use all 3 xddd

[tall torrent]

FTE meh

Born leader better

[trim badger]

Dis is what I run in Havoc

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

I still think born leader is better than FTE for most havoc situations

It’s a shame that vet ends up with the like 4-5 useless talents casually lol

[hollow ibex]

idk about marksman over superiority complex tbh

[trim badger]

Probably but my ego demands more damage

[signal zenith]

Executioner sword is something that veterans could use?

[trim badger]

Absolutely not I can spam shout anyways

[hollow ibex]

eh

[hollow ibex]

yeah decent horde clear weapon

just no carapace damage

[signal zenith]

Oh I mean if it was in the game, not the heavy sword

[tall torrent]

DS doesn’t rly need superiority complex

[trim badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1396228991517724682/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.07.19_-_17.35.06.14.mp4?ex=6881f054&is=68809ed4&hm=5dd6a11a9e158dcc33520587e6145f3b865eb54ea2d5ac0a0ebfd8422ea54855&

[tall torrent]

And havoc veteran gets VoC every 3-5s sometimes

[trim badger]

Havoc 40 sluggy btw

Not just a normal one

[hollow ibex]

oh DS

🤮

[tame lodge]

Executioner?

Like vt2s?

That's Eviscerator 15

[signal zenith]

Yeah I wanted any 2h weapon

The Astra Militarum has access to plenty of two-handed weapons:

• Chain greatswords
• Power halberds
• Heavy trench axes, executioner blades, and more

According to what I looked up

But we got none of these

[tame lodge]

When the weapon so good against elites it doesn't need more elite damage

[hollow ibex]

o thought he was talking about hsword

[tame lodge]

Squishy slimy noises

[red fox]

im so sick of Arbites who can't turn their heads 180 degrees

holy crap when does this trend end

[trim badger]

When he gets nerfed and those people stop playing the Game / are forced to lower difficulty

[red fox]

They're running around with havoc 40

and shooting bursters

[undone jungle]

I'm just glad something actual equals Plasma tbh, although I'm not too fond of either since I don't really like chargable weapons

Helbore feels a bit different tho probably because you can time the shots release

mechanically it's more like a hitscan bow

while plasma feels like that dogass revolver from counter strike

[tame lodge]

When the class is so mid the trend will never end

[trim badger]

Yeah I reject 9/10 arbites who want to join my party looool

[tame lodge]

And you are stuck here

[trim badger]

Most have goober builds

[tame lodge]

Forever

[undone jungle]

When half of the playerbase hops off the new class tbh. Nothing rlly wrong with Arbites besides being overtuned in some aspects but when you're played by that many people you're also bound to have the highest number of shitters

[spring spindle]

Is there any real difference between the tac axes or is it kinda just a preference

[undone jungle]

same thing happened when Ogryn got gigabuffed and you had those players on Oggy

[spring spindle]

Is one vastly superior

[trim badger]

Nowadays you still have those

[undone jungle]

yeah some didn't have the 15 dollars 💀

[trim badger]

But most moved to arb cuz he's even better xddd

[undone jungle]

Movesets really. Most people like the Mk7 if I recalled correctly (the model has some gold accents in it) but there are fans of all.

[undone jungle]

Honestly idk Ogryn is still absurd

[tame lodge]

Move set difference
2 and 7 are practically the same

Mk4 heavies should hit harder

But feels awful

[undone jungle]

I will say Arbi is more fun though

[trim badger]

Specific things about ogryn are absurd

[tame lodge]

Not good vibes

[undone jungle]

Yeaaa true

[trim badger]

Unlike arbites where most stuff is absurd

[tame lodge]

Yeah Ogryn still number 1

[undone jungle]

Arbi just has very clear defined build options and all of those are good tbh

[tame lodge]

[trim badger]

Like Ogryn issues are...

Rumbler
Batter for light attacks

And... Everything CDR related just like other classes

[undone jungle]

I'd argue Heavy Hitter in general is just overtuned

[trim badger]

Maybe

[unreal forge]

don't see how

[trim badger]

But it's not an absurd issue at least

It could be barely overtuned

But that's it

[undone jungle]

Yeah I agree

[tame lodge]

400% melee damage 🗣️

[trim badger]

If anything I think I'd like Oggy's CDR talents be made subnodes of feel no pain

[hearty panther]

HH steps on the toes of FNP somewhat

[trim badger]

Let's make FNP good again

[unreal forge]

FNP just isn't that interesting

[tall torrent]

recon been equal

[trim badger]

^ recon is awesome in Havoc

[undone jungle]

Oh yeah true

I forgor 💀

[tame lodge]

Sorry can't face tank gunners no more
Anyways here's ogryn face tanking gunners regardless

[tall torrent]

to me it's like
helbore = longbow
plasma = crossbow

sorta

[undone jungle]

ehhh I mean

sort of

[trim badger]

15% TDR on HH is very silly indeed

[hearty panther]

what kind of bow is recon

[undone jungle]

the delayed shots make me think more of the R8 revolver

[tall torrent]

zhugeliannu

[undone jungle]

but the hipfire shots are a bit like xbow from vermintide 2

tbh bistol is more like xbow from vt2

in that you whip it out, dome, go back to doing your own thing

[trim badger]

If anything again I feel FNP should be CDR related alongside resistance

You know, tank ogryn

[unreal forge]

it's 12%

[trim badger]

CC, alas alas

[unreal forge]

not really that interesting

[unreal forge]

nowhere close to 25% DR and 25-50% toughness replenishment

[trim badger]

Eh, doesn't matter much when you can kill stuff substantially quicker with HH 8)

[unreal forge]

I mean yeah that's the point lol

[undone jungle]

Ogryn still has a bajillion TDR perks very early in the tree and some extremely sustainble toughness generation at lvl 2

[tame lodge]

Recon is a Hwacha 🗣️

[unreal forge]

FNP just lacks more utility to it than pure toughness regen

[undone jungle]

not to mention all the random 10% TDR

[undone jungle]

Yeahh it's a bit boring too

It's a lot more passive than the other keystones

[unreal forge]

Arbites' FNP is more interesting

[undone jungle]

Arbites FNP is pressing F 💀

and unlike FNP they actually do, feel no pain

[unreal forge]

I'm talking the keystone

[undone jungle]

yeah ik

[hearty panther]

I think the push to gain stacks node should have just been part of FNP by default.

Having to wait for stacks is crummy feeling.

[unreal forge]

Yeah it feels terrible without it

[undone jungle]

Yeah that's true

could honestly make it generate stacks thru melee stagger or something

[unreal forge]

get gunned down and then you have to wait 30 seconds to recover every stack ._.

[undone jungle]

or generate stacks every stamina/couple stamina used for blocking

Idk

[normal bay]

Anything you guys would change on a Helbore IV + Heavy sword build?

[undone jungle]

I deadass forgot we in #veteran-class

I was like

"this ain't an ogryn build"

😭

[unreal forge]

looks based

[undone jungle]

Yeah honestly looks solid

[unreal forge]

I think I would get Focus Target instead of the top toughness reduction just for that 20% more team damage to bosses

[normal bay]

It's tempting, demo team would also be nice

[undone jungle]

If you're chad enough you could drop attack speed for some more Focus Target maxxing or Demo Team but that can be painful

I'd prob go with your gut feeling of dropping the top tdr for demo team tbh

my dumbass forgets I even have Focus Target

😭

[normal bay]

We will see. I had a build without the melee talents but heavy sword felt meh

[undone jungle]

Yeah 10% attack speed does wonders for it

[normal bay]

I can't see shit half the time between hellbores sights and darktides uhh... Darkness. Only reason I remember to use it

[inland eagle]

That’s so dumb tho, that would be like playing Psyker with only a gun. Why would the optimal choice be without the dog, they should fix that and lone wolf shouldn’t exist in the first place.

Otherwise the class is just “guy with shotgun who can shock stuff”

[unreal forge]

oh shit i didnt realize you skipped demo team

I would never

[undone jungle]

shocking stuff for 15 seconds completely AFK is massive in Havoc

[unreal nova]

Remember, that one node basically is worth 8 nodes on vet.

[normal bay]

It could be so much better if I could drop the ammo node on helbore. What I could do with 1 point

[inland eagle]

Yeah it should be heavily nerfed and always a downgrade but an option for people who don’t like dogs

[undone jungle]

ah but you don't understand phils, +25% suppression dealt is absolutely necessary for every build and we (the workers at fatshark) must tax every veteran on it

[tame lodge]

[undone jungle]

I'm confused what you're even talking about anymore

I thought you were calling Lone Wolf builds underpowered just a second ago and now you want them to be?

[tame lodge]

Zealots getting 20% suppression right under Chastise

💀

[hollow ibex]

fatshart's favorite tax node

suppression boost!

[undone jungle]

No you don't understand, that flamethrower is doing a lot of suppressing

[tame lodge]

In this case Fury of the faithful

💀

[hollow ibex]

furry of the faithful

[tame lodge]

Ah yes see this melee buff ability? Yeah random gun buff right under it

[undone jungle]

to a certain extent I don't mind point taxes when they felt deserved (like One Motion leading into Out for Blood, where One Motion basically does nothing for 90% of Vet weps) but point taxing the ENTIRE TREE is absurd

especially super early on because all my noob friends absolutely detest levelling Vet

yes please let me dump 2 points into basically nothing before I can even get 3 useful talents

or lack regenerating grenades until damn near half way thru levelling them

then get yelled at by teammates for stealing nades 😭

I seen this shit happen in real time oml

[grand perch]

suppression is such a great game mechanic

[hearty panther]

I hate One Motion so much.

[grand perch]

i wish everyone had nothing but suppression nodes, on all classes, every stat node

[hearty panther]

Bring back Vanguard

[inland eagle]

It was a typo. I meant lone wolf shouldn’t exist cuz it takes away the class identity and makes it just some asshole with a gun. I also have never liked how every class can use the same weapons it’s kind of dumb

[grand perch]

i find it kind of dumb lone wolf gives all these bonuses for giving up something no one else has anyway

[tame lodge]

When the class is so mid.........

[grand perch]

its like the rich kid getting a porsche because hes sad he had to sell his ferrari

[tame lodge]

No this one is a good thing

[hearty panther]

Tbh the bonuses to me do not make Lone Wolf worth it

[tame lodge]

The weapon sharing that is

If it wasn't for that

Arbitrator would have no weapon diversity

The alternative would be removing everyone's shared gun and giving them to Arbites because they also use those in lore

In fact the bolters we use are the pattern used by Arbites since forever I think

[inland eagle]

Yeah but if they made a bunch of weapons class specific that would be kind of cool

[unreal forge]

it would make no sense

and 99% of people wouldn't like that

I think as it is they strike a good balance of variety and class identity

[past stratus]

I don't mind the current weapon distribution, each class has a couple of weapons that are unique. Besides you know, Ogryns because well. They can't use our puny weapons

the only uniques I see people complaining about are the Thunder Hammer, that is apparently not good and a couple of staffs that aren't as good

[unreal forge]

only bad staff is Electro no?

only one I see people complain about

and it does seem redundant next to smite

[normal bay]

They serve different roles

[unreal forge]

but I don't rly play Psyker so I dunno

[normal bay]

And I wouldn't call EK bad either

[narrow frost]

Gun staff is the best staff rn

But no staff is bad

All are broken strong in their own regard

[hollow ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1m73mxr/veteran_stamina_regen_delay/

Rare Reddit W

[signal zenith]

Hey @icy flume ! Just a quick question/suggestion — do you think there's any chance we might see a two-handed sword or greatsword-type weapon for Veterans in the future?

Something like a trench-cleaver or executioner-style blade would be awesome — especially for feudal or shock trooper-style veterans who’d favor heavy melee options in close-quarters fights. I know melee is more of a Zealot thing, but it’d be cool to have a slower, heavy-hitting 2H sword as a Veteran flavor piece, even if it's niche.

Would love to hear if that's ever been considered! 👀⚔️

[unreal forge]

Yeah I don't get the idea behind 1s stamina delay on Vet

[narrow frost]

Imagine they give that datamined axe to vet

[unreal forge]

maybe because he's supposed to be a backliner and not rely on stamina? xd

[formal ice]

Dude is asking for a two handed sword for the weapons guy

[elder vessel]

how about a goddang spear already

[formal ice]

Indeed

[signal zenith]

Let a man dream

[formal ice]

Kruber had a spear

[elder vessel]

he deserves more than 1hand weapons

[formal ice]

I never seem a common soldier use a 2 handed handed weapon

So far at least

[formal ice]

Oh I am letting you dream

[elder vessel]

so crackheads are allowed to have greatswords, but actual trained soldiers who might wield it with finesse aren't allowed?

[teal canyon]

Gimme heavy stabber or hotshot hellgun.

[formal ice]

I could go to your home and keep you awake with high pitch noises

[elder vessel]

He deserves more than 1h weapons, let's get him that spear

[teal canyon]

Heretics have those.

[elder vessel]

and then when the Evis Chainaxe drops

Zealot and Vet can share

[formal ice]

The crackheads have trained to wield 2 handed weapons

The gun guy have trained to wield

Uh

Guns

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-yapping-blah-blah-blah-gif-7686285270350608844

[formal ice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385180267148476466/1386443883012948121/image0.gif

Kris Deltarune is meanie

[elder vessel]

im not Kris deltarune

I could never be a traitor

not me

big plot point of the game that you aint them actually

[formal ice]

Asgore ran over your friend Knight

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-asgore-dess-truck-minecraft-gif-7986950378453691064

[formal ice]

Huh

[signal zenith]

Cadian officer rocks a 2h sword

[formal ice]

Exactly officer

We aren't officers

Neither special

[viral chasm]

does heavy blade considered 2h

[formal ice]

Maybe

[signal zenith]

heavy blade is 1h

[formal ice]

You use special attack with two hands

[strange crow]

But we get to use power swords, bolters, etc

[signal zenith]

like the arbites got the shock maul that is 2h

[formal ice]

Because we are just one level inferior of officers

[scenic vapor]

we are both vets and a part of inquisition we get access to power swords and plasma weapons so we are kinda special

[signal zenith]

I think the weapons are just lent to the characters

they don't own anything really

[formal ice]

They gave ogryn an pickaxe

They don't care what we use

[hollow ibex]

You own them until you die (likely very soon)

[formal ice]

30 minutes remaining

[strange crow]

Same with power sword heavies

[formal ice]

There you go

See? Veteran already have 2 handed

[strange crow]

True

💯

[red fox]

Sigh struggling so hard with auric, i feel like everytime a huge horde crowds around me with specials im trying to cleave the horde off, turn around to see everyone has run off

[signal zenith]

The power sword we use looks like a gladius

[red fox]

No one is pushing bursters or killing gunners other than me

Christ its tilting af

[signal zenith]

not really a 2h sword

[strange crow]

Bastard sword is 2h sword yes

[hollow ibex]

The higher the difficulty is the more you’ll need to do if you want to win

[signal zenith]

the heavy sword?

[red fox]

I'm probably just bad

[hollow ibex]

Some teams it feels like I’m doing everything

[red fox]

Im not sure what to do if its crushers ragers gunners flamers and im alone

[strange crow]

The power sword, just bc it looks like a gladius doesn’t mean it’s used like one

[red fox]

I've been grinding at it for a week

[formal ice]

Gun

[red fox]

Also i feel like I'm hitting gunner heads with the bolty but I'm not getting the headshot it's so frustrating

I think i go maybe 1 or 2 missions without a death and then it's just death death death death

[scenic vapor]

let me tell you a secret if u slide sprit u are faster then every enemy other then mutant and dog so u can always disengage. There are also nades that u can use for space

[red fox]

Every time I've tried to slide sprint away from a fight i literally catch a hit and die

I literally was just watching back my footage and i die a lot to that

[strange crow]

What about mauler chainaxe? Seems reasonable for us to get something similar

[red fox]

Yea m trying to use nades more but i just keep taking chip damage when trying to activate the fucking p sword i don't know how you guys make time to activate that when crowded

[scenic vapor]

what mark are u using?

[signal zenith]

which datamined axe is that one?

[formal ice]

Stretch the hold weapon part and there you go

[red fox]

I forget but it's the one everyone recommends it's just straight up better right

[formal ice]

2 handed chainaxe

[scenic vapor]

ok so u can active it while pushing and skip the animation

thats how u do it

[red fox]

Yea that's what i do but with the blocks and pushes I'm going to eventually run out of stam

I'm running a stam 3 and two toughness

[formal ice]

That's a Monster Hunter weapon

[red fox]

Think I'm just tilting off the planet rn, i somehow at some point went 7 games without dying

[signal zenith]

Probably this is going to zealot I bet

[formal ice]

Dumbass

[red fox]

But cant stop shittin the bed atm

[signal zenith]

Rule #4. Harassment, trolling, hate speech, or discrimination is Zero Tolerance.

[formal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/jevil-i-can-do-anything-gif-5936695994549092184

[scenic vapor]

it is also about positioning be aware of your team and try to maneuver with them and if your alone make sure to get the horde in front of u just dodge in a circle around them

[formal ice]

I already called a bunch of people dumbass and they didn't had a problem

[red fox]

Yea it's all good advice i just feel so stuck lmao. Just need to call it a night

[signal zenith]

Has anyone found good reason to use any MK of Shotgun?

[narrow frost]

use it for damage

[signal zenith]

I'm testing it in the psykanium and the shotguns overall seem to perform worse than any other weapon

[narrow frost]

guh

[signal zenith]

against flak they don't even damage

[narrow frost]

whuh

[scenic vapor]

u can hit me up next time ur gonna be on ill try to help u and maby we can figure something out

[signal zenith]

try getting a shotgun and shooting an armored berserker

[past stratus]

Currently leveling the combat shotgun and it's pretty good even underleved

[scenic vapor]

its alright but the ammo economy is pretty bad

[signal zenith]

shotgun is excellent in lower levels

but in auric it gets horrible

[past stratus]

Combat shotty and chaxe, takes care of most things. Just a bit of a pain with big hordes

[past stratus]

Using WS

[red fox]

I'm in Asia, pretty rough

[signal zenith]

It barely scratches anything with armor

[scenic vapor]

still might be dooable its only auric so ill be fine

what is it like 300 ping or smh

[glacial ferry]

looks like you shot the carapace body

instead of the flak head

[signal zenith]

this one is all flak, it says in the damage too

[glacial ferry]

Scab ragers are, in fact, not all flak

[signal zenith]

but even shooting the head the damage is minimal

[scenic vapor]

lies deception

[glacial ferry]

Shotgun gaming

[signal zenith]

is this auric?

[scenic vapor]

yup

[signal zenith]

I must be doing something wrong then

[scenic vapor]

its not even a build really i just have deadshot and blessings on the shoty

[signal zenith]

does it still work if you don't use the F ability?

[scenic vapor]

yeah

[signal zenith]

like aim the scab rager

and shot only once

[scenic vapor]

want me to shoot him in the head or body?

[signal zenith]

all pellets bounce off and he takes like low damage and falls to the ground

body or head

[scenic vapor]

ok i did so u 2tap if u hit the head

and shooting the body is not really worth it

[scenic vapor]

I do crit build for it

[signal zenith]

can you join me in the strike team 10?

[elder vessel]

King Weapon

[tame lodge]

This Muhfuh can stop smiling?!?!?!??

[calm shard]

yeah

[grand perch]

it takes a tremendous amount of willpower but you can wipe that grin off his face

[red fox]

rezzed into two poxburster jumping on me

holy shit

[clever hedge]

L

[past stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[tame lodge]

"Jump his ass"

[trim badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608388195838591064/1388717484621697024/vror_overhead_1.mp4?ex=68824c31&is=6880fab1&hm=8532b6e5cd4c703155a41a88a5ac72ad915370f8553479edf978fbc890461644&

I love 200 ping

Bonus clip

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608388195838591064/1388717506671149087/vror_overhead_2.mp4?ex=68824c36&is=6880fab6&hm=52e2eb73322305d6889368b7dd29e09e7853fd2805c5bb985cf6c33363351e33&

Somehow they said that last one was my fault

[bitter turtle]

I was using agri shotgun even before the buffs and it was good lol

[elfin lion]

so whats the vet shotgun situation for havocs? can anyone give me a rundown?

[scenic vapor]

for havoc its not great coz there is a lot of armor there and shoty doesnt really like that

[narrow frost]

The shot guns are amazing for burst unyielding damage + horde clear if you are using double barrel

[scenic vapor]

also the ammo economy is not good so ur gonna struggle

[narrow frost]

agri is also one the best snipers with the slug

and if you are a good shot you wont have an issue with ammo

[elfin lion]

yea i used that one back in the day

[calm shard]

the only armor double barrel doesn't kill is carapace chest enemies

man-stopper straight up goes through monstrosities

if there is not an enemy that blocks cleave you can shoot straight through the entire horde

[scenic vapor]

thats what i meant

[calm shard]

so realistically it's just bulwarks, crushers, and scab ragers

and scab ragers just...

crouch

https://fximgur.com/a/8euIbAw

[scenic vapor]

or hit heads

[scenic vapor]

I know i posted the same thing

[elfin lion]

double barrel seems fun

[scenic vapor]

conclusion is dubble barrel is pretty good the rest is ok and u can make all of them work in some way

[elfin lion]

tyvm

[calm shard]

Agrii Combat Shotgun is also good

On a WS build you can run Man-Stopper/Full Bore

Use that guaranteed crit to fire a slug at head level through the horde and kill like 6 ragers and 10 poxboys

(it then goes out the other side and kills the gunner you were aiming at)

[scenic vapor]

man stopper makes them worth bringing so dont miss on that

[narrow frost]

even without manstopper

fullbore and no respite can easily 1 shot eveery elite and special bar crusher mauler

[sharp ingot]

there any trick to getting the armourbane penance?

[narrow frost]

throw nade

[sharp ingot]

I only get like

[faint beacon]

if armor throw grenade

[sharp ingot]

1 or 2 then tho

[scenic vapor]

make a nade build

[glacial ferry]

play scab seed, get scab bruisers, throw nade

[sharp ingot]

what be a scab seed?

[scenic vapor]

can try to get it on no ammo pickups since there is a lot of armor there

[calm shard]

yes kraks are very bad so that penance is a chore

no ammo maelstrom that's "mostly melee enemies" has a lot of armor to kill with it

[narrow frost]

kraks are very good

that penance just takes time

[sharp ingot]

literally managed every other penance in time it's taken me to get halfway thru this one

[calm shard]

At wasting your blitz slot sure

[narrow frost]

its okay to be wrong

[sharp ingot]

they feel kinda mid as fuck

like they'll kill most things reliably

[calm shard]

They're my vote for weakest blitz in the entire game

[narrow frost]

instant bulwark killer and boss stagger

[scenic vapor]

thay are very mid

[calm shard]

At least brain burst has Kinetic Flayer

[sharp ingot]

but then sometimes they don't kill a crusher

which is like

their whole point

[calm shard]

If you're in high havocs they can't kill crushers :)

Because their damage is too low

[narrow frost]

they can kill crushers

[glacial ferry]

if you're good at abusing slots and displacing enemies they're very strong

[scenic vapor]

cant even kill bulwarks on 40

[calm shard]

In normal gameplay it should always kill the one it's stuck to tho

[narrow frost]

they can

[glacial ferry]

you can kill multiple bulwarks and crushers in a single throw

[narrow frost]

wtf

[calm shard]

They just have a very tiny lethal radius

[narrow frost]

grenade tinker

oh yeah

I forgot people only go ammo ura

I forgot

[calm shard]

I have a second vet build that uses speed aura+smokes

[glacial ferry]

people refuse to play good builds

[calm shard]

I never use fire team xd

[sharp ingot]

well...

[narrow frost]

funny vet slander

they were talking shotgun slander eairler

[calm shard]

I would say my veteran builds are all good Except for the one that I play the most frequently

That I most certainly acknowledge as Not-Good™

[sharp ingot]

m... why's damnation not got a maelstrom...

[calm shard]

But MMF Executioner's stance with Helbore makes me feel things

[sharp ingot]

exectutioner's stance is easily my fav

[scenic vapor]

it might be just Hellbore being awesome

[tame lodge]

Kraks propaganda

[tame lodge]

[little path]

They wanted to reduce the amount of separated lobbies

[safe kestrel]

Which makes sense tbh

Auric heresy was a shitshow too

[hybrid plover]

Helbore buff made it a legitimate option tbh

Just gotta get used to it.

[calm shard]

It was a legitimate option before

[hybrid plover]

It was. But not nearly as much as now because the draw time was... less than ideal.

And also that little weird quirk it's got going on with one of its blessings.

But I'm honestly not sure how long that's been around.

[tame lodge]

Since it was introduced

💀

[hybrid plover]

Well shit.

Well I'm not complaining. Makes it hella fun to use with WS

If that part of Hot Shot is even a bug. I know the inversion definitely isn't intended.

[formal hamlet]

Did they nerf Helbore bayonet attack speed at some point? I swear I used to stab spam shit a lot faster in the past, now it feels sluggish.

[calm shard]

Yes

[hybrid plover]

Yeah.

[calm shard]

They made it affected by attack speed buffs on the talent tree, but made them attack slightly slower to compensate

But veteran can't easily get their attack speed buffs

[formal hamlet]

Okay so not just me then, I thought maybe it's the same but I was unknowing activating some melee attack speed buffs in my builds that were doing a lot of lifting.

[calm shard]

And they reduced the attack speed by more than just trench fighter drill gives you xd

[silent dawn]

bnmhj,k

[safe kiln]

doesnt vet only get two sources of atk speed, trench fighter and weapon spec

[hybrid plover]

At least with the faster draw speed, you can switch and bayonet attack quicker but successive attacks are slower unfortunately.

[calm shard]

successive attacks being slower is also partially a bug

sometimes buffering a helbore bayonet stab makes it have to go through the full charge animation

[hybrid plover]

Just Fatshark things.

[formal hamlet]

To be fair killing trash hordes, ragers and such with fast bayonet spam felt a bit too good, though back then I was mostly playing on lower difficulties so probably not so OP on aurics and havocs.

I'd go through missions never swapping to melee lol.

It wasn't terrible against carapace either so I'd just stab stuff in the head like 3-4 times for kills too.

[calm shard]

Helbore horde clear is slow as hell what do you mean "too good"

[hybrid plover]

Tbh I like where it is other than the successive attacks being slower since I main WS and I use the bayonet to proc melee specialist so I don't use ammo if there's nothing I need to shoot.

Faster draw time helps a lot with that.

[formal hamlet]

How's Helbore with damage breakpoints on auric/havoc, what isn't a one-tap to the head?

I never bring it with me on higher diffs.

[calm shard]

everything is a one tap to the head with helbore with enough damage

with normal builds you're 2 tapping crushers and maulers in havoc

just crushers in aurics

[formal hamlet]

Nice, I can live with 2 taps, my plasma doesn't one tap either so that's fair.

[ember nest]

helbore into headshots is better than plasma imo

2 tapping crushers is lit

[formal hamlet]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d54c0c2-7b61-4de2-a580-2fa86da46cfa/veteran-designated-marksman

Can this do that?

[hybrid plover]

Feels better IMHO too

[formal hamlet]

That's my current Helbore build.

I'm using the MK IIIa with Surgical and Weight of Fire. Maniacs and Unarmoured.

[hybrid plover]

Don't see why it wouldn't. I run something that isn't even catered to ranged as much as that and I still two tap them on headshots.

[calm shard]

yeah

[formal hamlet]

Nice, I might try this on higher diffs then, it's normally my "for fun" build on more chill diffs.

[hybrid plover]

Helbore has always had great damage even for Havoc

It was just too unwieldy with the draw time and really, really punishing projectile.

[formal hamlet]

It's satisfying one-tapping stuff on easier diffs, I wasn't sure if it could maintain that on Havoc, nice that it can.

I normally use the lightest variant, but guessing I'd want the MK IIIa instead to hit those breakpoints.

[hybrid plover]

And even without shock troop, its one of the most efficient ranged options in terms of ammo economy.

Also, hot take me thinks.

Weight of Fire is overrated.

[formal hamlet]

I don't use WoF on my light variant since charge time is fast enough.

And yeah I feel like it might be a bit overrated too, but then again on higher diffs there's a lot more crushers and shit to kill in one go.

[hybrid plover]

I don't even think it's worth much if you're using surgical at all.

[tame lodge]

One of the Incredibly rare Helbore L
A 0.1 seconds delay between stabs

💀

[hybrid plover]

Since you want to max out your crit chance and firing faster ironically won't let you do that.

Armourbane or Hot Shot (latter with a weird contigency) are good options if you wanna try something different.

Been running Hot Shot on Havoc and it actually works really well.

[formal hamlet]

Hm, I'm not even 1 shotting gunners.

[hybrid plover]

Hitting headshots?

Also. May wanna consider switching unarmoured to flak

I forgot to mention that but Helbore does better base damage against unarmoured than flak .

Which , it's a laser so I suppose that checks out.

[formal hamlet]

Yeah, headshots, the yellow gunners I one shot, the other gunners at a distance I was consistantly not.

They were further away than normal so maybe a damage dropoff thing?

[calm shard]

Helbore has reverse damage falloff

It does more damage at a distance

Anyways I have an explanation as to why

Scab gunners backpacks are behind their head so if you miss you'll hit their backpack and get bodyshot damage

If you miss a Dreg gunner you just miss

Happens with Flamers a lot too and it pisses me off every time because flamer backpacks have ridiculous damage resistance

[formal hamlet]

Yeah maybe that's it, it was a bit far off so maybe they weren't truly the head.

I did 2 shot a crusher, but ironically it was taking me a few shots for the human sized armoured huys.

[hybrid plover]

Yeah if they're close, it's bayonet or melee time.

[formal hamlet]

But wasn't getting consistent headshots on them in most cases, teammates staggering everything as I pull the trigger.

[calm shard]

full charged helbore shot with all my damage boosts up and it hits for 1155

[hybrid plover]

You really want to keep your shots afar with Helbore.

[calm shard]

just bodyshotting them kills them

absolutely stupid

[formal hamlet]

Do I need to do anything extra to get damage boosts up? I'm just assuming they activate from me playing normally but maybe they're not.

[calm shard]

I dunno man I haven't seen your build

[formal hamlet]

It's up above, not too far up in the convo.

[formal hamlet]

This one.

I'm not running WS so I don't need to worry about triggering that.

Though tbh I could do with more pinging for the damage bonus.

[hybrid plover]

They're using executioners but I run shout and marksman with WS and as long as I keep my shots afar, it still does crazy damage.

[formal hamlet]

It's easier to ping and shoot with plasma since no right click, but gets slightly more awkward when I'm trying to ping, ADS and shoot.

[hybrid plover]

Just have to go for headshots more.

[formal hamlet]

I'm using shout on mine.

[hybrid plover]

And you have marksman and the one node in the middle that's a damage buff on ability that I forgot the name of.

You're good.

Only thing I say, really, really go for specialists.

[formal hamlet]

Hm, maybe that's the problem. I'm not shouting off cooldown so not getting those two nodes activate much.

[hybrid plover]

You want to proc those buffs as much as you can.

And Helbore is insanely good at exactly that.

[formal hamlet]

True.

Got my melee built into the gun.

Might try WS.

[hybrid plover]

It is by far one of the best options in the game for picking off specialists.

Okay, lemme give you this.

[formal hamlet]

I think I went for focus target because I'm already deep down in that middle tree.

[hybrid plover]

Reason why Hot Shot is so good. Is because it has a weird quirk to it.

[formal hamlet]

Since I wanna get Bring it Down and such.

[hybrid plover]

1. The blessing tiers are inverted where tier 1 gives you more cleave.

2. Your melee weapon is also affected by it.

[formal hamlet]

Tier 1 says 20% though, is that an error?

[hybrid plover]

1 is clearly a bug. I don't know about 2 but it's been around for a while.

[formal hamlet]

I see.

[hybrid plover]

Yes, most likely.

[fair jay]

Think of it like

“Multiply the hitmass of any enemy you hit by 0.2”

It’s probbaly an error lol

[hybrid plover]

Yep.

[calm shard]

The way it works is it reduces the enemy hit mass on hit

It saying "20%" is it removing 80% of an enemies hit mass

[formal hamlet]

What does that mean, removing hit mass?

[calm shard]

It makes enemies less THICK

[hybrid plover]

It's not a traditional bug but most likely a coding error.

[formal hamlet]

I get more staggers?

[fair jay]

They don’t stop your cleave

[calm shard]

So you cleave more

Hit mass is the value that enemies use to determine how much weapons can cleave through them

[fair jay]

You just cut through them like a Japanese bamboo cutting guy with a gigantic machete

[formal hamlet]

Okay with melee I thought cleave was about 1 slash cutting through more bodies, but with helbore shots is it more about it penetrating thicker armour easier?

[calm shard]

No

It's also the same

Just for your gun

Your laser goes through more guys when you shoot it if it has higher cleave

[formal hamlet]

Ah, okay. So it's to help me with horde clearing?

[calm shard]

Or to shoot enemies through the horde yes

[formal hamlet]

I guess it can also help me shoot specials/elites behind cannon fodder.

[calm shard]

Like if there's a trapper in the middle of them

[fair jay]

Yeah cleave has nothing much to do with armor (though armor units happen to have more hit mass generally I believe)

[calm shard]

higher cleave helps you hit her easier

[formal hamlet]

Gotcha.

I'll replace WoF with Hot-Shot tier 1, see how that feels.

[fair jay]

You know I played like 20 matches with hot shot but I never tested if you

Actually need weak point hits to trigger the hot shot debuff

[formal hamlet]

Not sure about WS since not sure how much of middle tree nodes I can sacrifice to go all the way down there.

[fair jay]

If you require the headshot I don’t think it’s worth it if you’re not also using a melee weapon that wants the cleave

But with a melee that wants it it’s very funny

[calm shard]

You do

But funny quirk about it

It also works on your melee weapon

[fair jay]

Yeah

I said that

;p

[formal hamlet]

So should make my power sword better in melee too.

[fair jay]

The Queen’s Power Sword Cannot Be Stopped

(Or king’s)

[formal hamlet]

Maybe I should swap to exec stance, I was told I'm using shout as a crutch, force myself to get through missions without an oh shit button.

[fair jay]

If you would find that fun, sure

On the flip side you might end up using execute as a crutch to know where mobs are to shoot without marking/seeing them

[calm shard]

If you think it's fun go for it

[formal hamlet]

Hm, true.

[calm shard]

I play exe helbore in havocs and die :)

[fair jay]

The enemy dies

Surely

[formal hamlet]

Wish we had that Arbi purple node that just purple highlights enemies for us.

[calm shard]

should use brown recon las more

[tame lodge]

Don't worry
By 2030

Every class will have that

[formal hamlet]

After next Fatshark game is released?

[fair jay]

They’ll make sure Vereran’s mark mobs node will be behind smoke grenade and on an exclusive path that has a lot of tax nodes

[tall torrent]

it's not quite a debuff

[formal hamlet]

Smokes don't seem too bad at higher diffs with tons of gunners honestly.

[calm shard]

They're very good

[formal hamlet]

Probably my second fave grenade.

[calm shard]

In havoc especially they're arguably better than shredders depending on the modifiers

It's basically a better psyker bubble in your pocket and you get like 4 of the damn things

[formal hamlet]

Better than Psyker bubble? Interesting.

Those bubbles are very clutch at Havoc.

[safe kiln]

i just wish there wasnt so much point tax getting smoke

[formal hamlet]

Some guys I were playing with were saying there's a mod that lets you see through smokes.

[tame lodge]

They are basically immortal bubbles without the toughness regen

[calm shard]

Yes because they don't break

[calm shard]

There is yes, but I don't take it for a simple reason

If you can't see through the smoke you are not in it

[formal hamlet]

Didn't even know bubbles can break.

[calm shard]

You can see through smoke grenades if you're standing inside them

[formal hamlet]

Yeah I thought being in them was the whole point.

[calm shard]

It's good reference for if you're actually protected by them or not

[formal hamlet]

Something about making enemies force to enter melee.

[fair jay]

Are smokes more reliable now? I feel like back when I last played they had reliability issues

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/ZN2kqij also smokes do funny things to enemy AI

[safe kiln]

smokes break the ai

[calm shard]

https://imgur.com/a/6S5LomN

[fair jay]

They weren’t bad they just seemed inconsistent

[formal hamlet]

Point tax is what, 2, maybe 3 if you want to double smoke duration?

[fair jay]

2 I believe

[calm shard]

It's 2 yeah

Worth it tho

[fair jay]

It’s like right next to the smoke Nade area

So only 2 needed

[calm shard]

Since you get one point back from not needing Demo Team

No real point in having that when your grenades last 30 seconds

[silent dawn]

b \

[fair jay]

How bad is it to play veteran without survivalist btw

[tame lodge]

They have like 20 HP
Every ranged hit takes around 1 damage then the bubble becomes invicible for 0.33 seconds
Under really heavy fire, the bubble breaks after 6 seconds

[fair jay]

I feel bad not taking it for the team

[calm shard]

Not that bad really

People will look at you funny in Havoc but in Aurics it doesn't matter

[little path]

It's not bad but the question is why wouldn't you in most cases

[calm shard]

Move Speed aura is unironically pretty solid

Fire Team is...sure a damage boost alright

[little path]

basically the value of the entire team getting free ammo is too huge

[safe kiln]

5% damage

[calm shard]

In Havocs yes where ammo is agonizingly scarce

In Aurics they can just find an ammo tin

[little path]

You also might have issues if someone one your team is an ammo hog

the kind of people who will take ammo they don't need

[fair jay]

I usually play with strong ammo conservation builds anyway

[little path]

or use an ammo case, shoot 5 times then take more from it

[fair jay]

Weapon swap or shock trooper

[formal hamlet]

Rending strikes worthwhile for Helbore or meh?

[calm shard]

This pisses me off SO MUCH in mortis trials

Dudes will be missing one fucking magazine and hit the ammo crate

why

[little path]

I wish they just changed it to a % based amount

[formal hamlet]

Probably same dude who double dips into ammo box and you wonder why there's none left for you.

[tame lodge]

Not needed

[little path]

like there's enough to fully restock everyone once

[calm shard]

Unnecessary

[fair jay]

Only reason I wouldn’t is going right side tree but taking survivalist is a pain of talent tax

[tame lodge]

Charged shots have innate rending iirc

[calm shard]

Thing hits armor like a freight train already

[warm schooner]

Imagine making it obvious there are only four uses to a crate

[little path]

but when you use it it only restocks whatever % of ammo you're misisng

[fair jay]

Especially if I ‘need’ to take agile swap node

[warm schooner]

Or telling people exactly how much ammo their teammates have

[formal hamlet]

I tell myself I'll use more ammo and then use the crate, come back to the crate and someone double dipped so it's used up.

[little path]

that won't change ammo hogs

[calm shard]

Imagine if I knew if that psyker at half health or that veteran at half health had more health by default

[fair jay]

That’s it really, I don’t actually like the other veteran auras but the point tax of survivalist feels annoying

[formal hamlet]

So not only did I not get a refill, but I intentionally used a lot of ammo thinking I had that ammo as backup.

[warm schooner]

Yes, you'd be surprised how much is ignorance though

[formal hamlet]

Never trust randoms I guess.

[calm shard]

I have accidentally double dipped by mashing interact on an ammo crate in havoc before

[little path]

you would have to shoot first though

did you grab it, shoot a bullet then use it again?

[fair jay]

They also forgot to stop holding lmb

Never stop firing

[calm shard]

havoc reduces all ammo pickups

crates included

[formal hamlet]

Put ammo crate near another interactable just to cause drama.

[fair jay]

Target rich environment

[calm shard]

The first pickup did not give me full ammo

And I was mashing interact

So I grabbed a second by accident

[fair jay]

So uh this isn’t veteran related but I assume gun psyker in havoc 40 is a problem then since ammo is so scarce

[calm shard]

nope

[fair jay]

It’s related to your name

[calm shard]

gun psyker is gun psyker because they have a gun

not becaue they use it all that often

you're actually the strongest melee class in the game

[formal hamlet]

Bit of a dumb question, but is there a way to go back in menus without having to hit escape every time (nor mouse clicking on "back" in bottom right)? I feel like I'm back in the stone age.

[fair jay]

True, i played gun psyker and I spent most of my time meleeing even in my low difficulty lobbies

[calm shard]

exactly how it's played all the way up to havoc

but BOY does it do damage

[fair jay]

It’s that good at melee? It feels great but I didn’t know it was THAT great

[calm shard]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

Eh would say ogryn melee is stronger

[calm shard]

I dunno man

Ogryn melee doesn't build an "instantly kills all poxwalkers" death beam every 6 seconds of combat

[fair jay]

Bzzzt

[calm shard]

Gruntilda is my psyker

[fair jay]

Calling it death beam I assume you use recon lasgun? I won’t ask any more questions just curious since you mentioned a death beam

[calm shard]

Nah the Force Greatsword wave

[fair jay]

Oh that

Yeah also good lol

[calm shard]

In high enemy density it builds in under 10 seconds

And it kills everything every time you use it

It's absurd

[warm schooner]

Melee psyker in h40 works but I've only seen one or two pull it off

Most of the time they end up dying instantly in the first 15% of the map

[fair jay]

Can’t you just do DS and it’ll magically work?

Darn it I said no more questions this is veteran channel

[tame lodge]

It'll magically work against single targets

And I mean single targets

[formal hamlet]

With WS for Helbore I only need the main node, right? I've made space for 6 talent points, not sure what's the best way to path down right side tree to WS though.

[tall torrent]

u don't need it outside of a few specific weapons & scenarios

[safe kiln]

survivalist helps enable rumbler ogryn tho

[fair jay]

Sounds like it’s needed for havoc40

If you play veteran I mean

[safe kiln]

it helps the teams ammo economy a ton which is why most teams want a survivalist vet

[formal hamlet]

For WS does stabbing with Helbore bayonet count as a ranged kill or a melee kill?

[calm shard]

melee kill

also works for Agile Engagement

[formal hamlet]

So since my ranged weapon is already out, I have 5s after stabbing someone to utilise the crit rate buff etc.

[bold mural]

Complete a full Mission on Malice Threat or higher without taking any melee damage
Does it only count health damage, or will taking toughness damage disqualify you too?

[calm shard]

only health damage

[bold mural]

ty

[tall torrent]

doesn't work like that

[fallow fjord]

any tips on doing "Make Every Shot Count"? For ease, I assume I should use something like revolver or plasma, and exhaust my ammo before just melee-ing the rest of the mission?

[tall torrent]

@formal hamlet

[tall torrent]

DB shotgun

[fallow fjord]

that too, but am I understanding the strat correctly?

[tall torrent]

ya

[formal hamlet]

So since I'm stabbing enemies with my ranged weapon in hand on Helbore, I'm getting melee specialist stack for when I swap to my actual melee, if I've understood this correctly?

[calm shard]

@tall torrent what breakpoints does combat axe lose in havoc?

[hybrid plover]

Yes.

Because it's not quantified by the kill that weapon got but rather the kill while that weapon is equipped.

This can also be applied to grenades.

Bayonet kill is still considered a kill while your ranged weapon is out, therefore fulfilling the requirements for melee specialist.

Reason why combat knife/helbore has become one of my favorite setups to be honest.

It's really fun to utilize the speed of the knife to close distance and get your bayonet kills so you're pretty much always having melee specialist available even if you're barely shooting a bullet.

Or in this case, a laser.

And it still hurts like hell even if you don't have a build entirely catered to ranged effectiveness as long as you keep your shots at targets at further ranges.

[hybrid plover]

Did that except it was force sword and surge psy staff

Don't even need a gun at this point for scrier's anymore.

[calm shard]

I use voidblast sometimes

Very useful for killing bulwarks

[past stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[tall torrent]

yes

[tall torrent]

which class

in best case (arb) u actually don't lose core breakpoints and havoc elites just take 1 extra hit to kill

[hollow ibex]

I’m assuming vet loses bruiser breakpoints lol

[calm shard]

for vet

[tall torrent]

Bruisers don’t change health

[tall torrent]

Uh
The big one is M21st
But also u don’t kill elites as fast as base game and it doesn’t cleave

Which is why power sword VI pulls ahead

If u want to play Rashad just do it on arb

[calm shard]

Well 21st aren't in rotation so that's probably not that big of a deal

For now

[tall torrent]

Just do power sword lol

[calm shard]

I am tired of power sword

I desire something different something bad

But also desire helbore at the same time

[tall torrent]

Ok do duelling sword

[calm shard]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-punch-gif-24255287

[hybrid plover]

Dueling sword that isn't mk4