go MkIII first
#veteran-class
calm shard
actually if I'm going to be clip dumping helbore I should be doing it with one with its default sights
normal bay
Nah, send it om the MkIV
calm shard
instead of the modded one that's more comfortable
normal bay
IV has better irons and is more forgiving with aim, since you can kill with some cheat shots, as long as they crit
calm shard
IV is slow
It has a really long delay between shots, and a long time to charge to full damage
And its bayonet is clunky as FUCK to use
calm shard
it's slower, does less damage and less stagger
but hey it has a tiny amount of cleave so you can hit (and not kill) up to 3 enemies :)
oh also it has a bug where if you mash the special button it actually takes longer to swing
HOPE YOU LIKE THE RHYTHM
past stratus
at least you can still kill unarmored little guys with it if it is only a couple
distant plaza
is there any recommended secondary weapon to go along with a shock maul?
tame lodge
Boltgun
hollow ibex
Yeah something with good boss damage
quick burrow
i play my zealot often and when i do its triple sprint efficiency curios and knifelonger
past stratus
do you also stealth ahead of your team and aggro the whole map?
red fox
do you also stealth ahead of your team and aggro the whole map?
trauma
quick burrow
i agro everything then stealth behind my team to hide in the shadows waiting for the right moment to T bag the downed psyker
its why they call me smallsocks
leaden gazelle
I've only been in the game for a bit but I was shocked we can't put sights on any gun
The iron sights are really clean on bolts but I'm like squinting irl on some of these shots
😭
past stratus
Do not complain about the relics blessed by the Omnissiah 😠
orchid hemlock
I've only been in the game for a bit but I was shocked we can't put sights on an...
Use crosshair remap mod
leaden gazelle
Use crosshair remap mod
is that on the workshop?
orchid hemlock
Once you have it installed, just turn on the setting that keeps the crosshair on the screen when aiming down sights
calm shard
alternatively if you have a strong PC you can use Weapon Customization which just lets you actually put sights on the guns
@leaden gazelle
grand perch
waiting for vet rework
faint beacon
hot crag
Guys, is worth spending 3 points to get reciprocity-desperado in a general plasma/power sword build for high havoc? Or better spending those 3 points elsewhere?
hot crag
Thanks 🫡
livid hill
How do you guys use power sword
It feels really unsatisfying in my hands because it is so weak when not charged
past stratus
You charge it
Before every swing
Serious answer is that power cycler is a mandatory blessing to increase the amount of powered swings you can do
hollow ibex
It’s actually a pretty good weapon to train melee fundamentals tbh
ocean swallow
you can also animation cancel the charging by blocking after activating
makes it a bit smoother
tame lodge
How do you guys use power sword
You charge it
When it loses charges
You charge it again
Heretic slayer 40k when powered
Pool noodle when unpowered
livid hill
Its just inconvenient to constantly power it
I really hope they buff the non charged power sword and also make it a heat system like the relic blade
Maybe its heat fills quicker to balance
past stratus
It is and a lot of vets are bored of it. But it is a heretic blender when activated so it is our best melee overall
livid hill
Its better than the chainsword unfortunately so im gonna try it with my commissae cospaly
past stratus
The Combat Axe is another decent weapon if you can't stand the power sword anymore
livid hill
The Combat Axe is another decent weapon if you can't stand the power sword anymo...
I love tac axe but it doesn't fit the commissar theme
livid hill
No its not but it doesnt matter cause its not commissar
Have you ever seen a commissar wielding just a fucking axe?
past stratus
Idk there is that one famous dude that uses a ork power claw
After that, everything is game
hollow ibex
Tactical shit is axe anyways
Better havoc weapon though 
tame lodge
That's bait
livid hill
Idk there is that one famous dude that uses a ork power claw
I will never be him...
tame lodge
ember nest
Its just inconvenient to constantly power it
Its the inconvenience device tbf
ember nest
Have you ever seen a commissar wielding just a fucking axe?
Power axe yeah not combat/taxe
long dove
I tried a new build last night and I was presently surprised
tame lodge
Power axe yeah not combat/taxe
I think uh
Carpet?
Yeah I think Carpet stated that Rashad is a power axe
I never heard the full explanation though
ember nest
Yeah I think Carpet stated that Rashad is a power axe
Where the fuck is the power part
ember nest
Whos carpet again
ember nest
Ah apparently its because a mini that has it labels it as a power axe
Funny considering we must have yanked out the damn batteries
long dove
Deadshot + Combat Shotgun is a fun combo
ember nest
And I guess the rumbler/kickback
strange crow
That was originally a Necromunda kit?
strange crow
Ahh ok I thought u were talking abt Munda’s miniature range
Necromunda is indeed goated
(Original betta ofc)
long dove
How good do yall think Deadshot is?
balmy flume
Human usable grenade launcher when
tropic notch
Tactical shit is axe anyways
past stratus
Deadshot is a stamina black hole in a class with horrible stamina regen.
hollow ibex
It’s a funny meme
long dove
Deadshot is a stamina black hole in a class with horrible stamina regen.
yeah but two +3 Stam curios and I only have 13 shots anyway lol
past stratus
funny meme
calm shard
Its better than the chainsword unfortunately so im gonna try it with my commissa...
every melee weapon in the game is to be fair
calm shard
How good do yall think Deadshot is?
It's okay for exe builds, and kinda trash for literally everything else
long dove
It's okay for exe builds, and kinda trash for literally everything else
Well yeah it's an exe build
quick burrow
how do you build the objectivly best melee weapon the shovel ?
arctic rampart
how do you build the objectivly best melee weapon the shovel ?
T.dmg (Carapace / Flak)
Uncanny Strike
Skullcrusher / Decimator ``` for the non-folding one mk1 which is heavy bonk[H1 → H2]
Single target:
PA → [L1 → L2 (→ SP) → L3] ```trash tier negative talent only good for experienced players making meme builds cause they're incredibly bored
long dove
trash tier negative talent only good for experienced players making meme builds ...
eh the build Im trying with it is fun so far
calm shard
trash tier negative talent only good for experienced players making meme builds ...
I can't afford reciprocity for gun build without giving up damage that I need to justify gun build xd
And even then Deadshot is far more consistent crit chance if only my gun needs the crit
This is 100% biased from me playing too much Exe+MMF but Deadshot is not as bad as people say it is
arctic rampart
reciprocity is like always up even in aurics though
calm shard
Niche sure, but not weak in that niche
calm shard
reciprocity is like always up even in aurics though
I do not feel that in practice
long dove
that's my point. do you actually think its good? no
Its certainly no meta build but it does way ebtter than I though
calm shard
Maybe it's a lag thing and the game considering my dodges not good enough
arctic rampart
there's a show crit % mod (https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/279) that can help you determine that kind of thing. its really good when it matters, pretty much always. unless you're a potato that doesn't use dodge
calm shard
But I rarely have Reciprocity active as often as I'd like it to be, and end up running out of ammo with it on heavy ranged builds for Helbore/Recon
I have that installed
long dove
i still need to figure out how to make my mods work
arctic rampart
the strongest mod is probably healthbars, so start with that. first time doing mod base stuff + 1 mod might take you 30m. after that it's real easy and you can even do it in game with developer mode ctr+R
another sneaky awesome mod is numericui. pure UI help, also lets you show remaining dodges which I think is clutch
arctic rampart
Maybe it's a lag thing and the game considering my dodges not good enough
are you playing on higher difficulty? I think its most apparent if you're getting swarmed and hearing that audio queue a fuckton
calm shard
I almost exclusively play aurics and havocs
Reciprocity is great when I'm playing more melee centric builds for vet
But I usually try and position away from the bad men who want to stab me with their poop knives when doing ranged builds
Because I kinda need the space to shoot things
So Reciprocity just doesn't end up active
arctic rampart
Hmm when I was doing meme onslaught recon lasgun build I was hipfire shooting and still could use reciprocity. I think with ADS though it would suck
steep flower
how do you build the objectivly best melee weapon the shovel ?
Mk 1; Flak & Carapace, Decimator & Uncanny (without uncanny you lose to crushers)
Mk 3: Flak & Carapace, Decimator & Skullcrusher (Don't need uncanny on flip shovels)
quick burrow
which mk is the better one ?
arctic rampart
mk1 cause bonk
quick burrow
fair and based
steep flower
which mk is the better one ?
Mk 1 deals nicely vs unyielding but needs help with carapace
Mk 3 kills everything exept unyielding
arctic rampart
here
steep flower
which mk is the better one ?
Depends on your ranged choice; if it can be reliably used to kill unyielding enemies go for mk 3
past stratus
ok the Chaxe is pretty funny on bosses I gotta admit
I got shield blasted and killed twice though
that one thing where the twins blast their shield and you just die instantly
quartz adder
hey my friend is new to PC gaming and shooters
he's almost max level vet
he still goes down in malice and is fighting for his life in heresy
calm shard
good for him
quartz adder
i didnt ask the question yet!!!
narrow frost
quartz adder
can someone here find or make a build thats super tanky and easy to play
calm shard
veteran cannot be super tanky in the way that other classes (psyker excluded) can be
quartz adder
ive tried giving him max toughness shout with plasma
calm shard
vet and psyker are the games 2 squishy boys
quartz adder
veteran cannot be super tanky in the way that other classes (psyker excluded) ca...
75% toughness res with insane regen
quartz adder
im not saying he's the wall
narrow frost
quartz adder
but saying vet is psyker level squish
narrow frost
he is
quartz adder
i must be living under a rock
or have found hidden knowledge
on how to be a tanky vet
but anyways
quartz adder
i appriciate the help @narrow frost
tall torrent
can someone here find or make a build thats super tanky and easy to play
There’s no tank vet
U will have to kill ur way out of problems or die trying
Cuz vet is the only class with no good non-kill-based toughness gain
inland eagle
guys how is heavy sword mk IX?
narrow frost
amazing
calm shard
very good
narrow frost
a horde mulcher
elder vessel
Cuz vet is the only class with no good non-kill-based toughness gain
he should have a node that gives him tgh when you supress people
calm shard
can't kill carapace, but kills everything else
narrow frost
can kill cara fine with using the special attack
elder vessel
get a lil bit of tgh for each second an enemy spends surpressed
narrow frost
if you wanna see it in havoc here
mk9 doesnt really have a fun moveset imo
6 is my fav
6 or 7
calm shard
serrated blade gaming???
inland eagle
is it better than devils claw mk4?
tall torrent
he should have a node that gives him tgh when you supress people
That’s pretty bad
narrow frost
whats "better" in your thinking?
tall torrent
Most enemies are completely immune to suppression
narrow frost
Heavy sword does one of the best horde clear
Dclaw has the funny parry but some low flak damage
elder vessel
Most enemies are completely immune to suppression
right but the ones that are though
calm shard
it's a little low yeah
elder vessel
Get the tgh back fron when they shot you
killing them with gun doesn't get the tgh back
unless you got that one talent
calm shard
actually all 3 toughness regen talents up top for vet give it back from shooting them
well that one doesn't unless it's a gunner
elder vessel
yeah but you gotta kill them, which requires more bullets than suppressing them
if you go back to what bath.rawr said
tall torrent
supress them
Idk I think vet needs way better than that
tall torrent
A good start would be to make catch a breath actually good
Completely rework mechanics
calm shard
yeah but you gotta kill them, which requires more bullets than suppressing them
I dunno about that
elder vessel
brug
I propose a talent that rewards you for supressing enemies
and you give a weapon that isnt very good at supression
serene bough
i feel like vet should've had a steady grip kind of talent
serene bough
makes sense to me that a sharpshooter should have a talent that regens toughness for being in ADS
hearty panther
Ogryn is sharpshooter confirmed
past stratus
I think Vet needs toughness resistance so it doesn't evaporate the second a groaner farts in your general direction
hearty panther
Vet already has like 70% TDR
calm shard
vets main durability problem is lack of regen
like this is it outside of VoC/Infiltrate
and because of the way veteran's skill tree is laid out
you're probably not fitting more than one, maybe two of them
unreal bone
https://tenor.com/view/explode-you-explode-fisk4-fuck-you-explode-you-with-mind-...
I'm gonna start doing this to my teammates from party finder
fr fr
unreal bone
I don't understand how I can repeatedly juggle 2 bosses, but these mfers can't handle some trash mobs
calm shard
I don't understand how I can repeatedly juggle 2 bosses, but these mfers can't h...
I finish matches with highest melee damage on the team as exe vet in party finder
interesting people
narrow yacht
i just got the penance for killing 5 highlighted enemies with a weak spot hit during a single use of volley fire and i wasn't using volley fire
unless voice of command counts as volley fire despite it not highlighting enemies
inland eagle
Everything is better than dclaw nowadays
unreal nova
unless voice of command counts as volley fire despite it not highlighting enemie...
I think anyone having it is enough as long as you are a vet.
narrow yacht
I think anyone having it is enough as long as you are a vet.
do other classes get it?
also does anyone know the approximate distance i need to be for the long bomb penance?
unreal bone
I finish matches with highest melee damage on the team as exe vet in party finde...
I finish the matches with highest fucking everything
unreal nova
do other classes get it?
No. It's just bugs.
unreal nova
also does anyone know the approximate distance i need to be for the long bomb pe...
You can get it by tossing across a bridge.
narrow yacht
No. It's just bugs.
well i'll take the free penance points trying to scrape together 50 more to get the next torso set at 3800 because that psyker and ogryn piece are nice
oh it's 3500 not 3800 still only 50 more to go
unreal nova
Easiest is just playing a higher difficulty tbh.
inland eagle
any idea why i keep getting disconnected from the game?
like i can rejoin
but it keeps disconnecting me to a screen
narrow yacht
i would like to but these teams that can't be bothered to try and stick together on heresy and getting swarmed make that pretty difficult
calm shard
also does anyone know the approximate distance i need to be for the long bomb pe...
minimum 12 meters
default FoV align enemies head with bottom of screeen
TAP throw
inland eagle
hab dryekjo mission
calm shard
or just like
do it in a horde
obviously somewhere without a ceiling
should be p easy
narrow yacht
what's the tap throw button it's not in keybinds and when i pull out my grenade it only lets me aim
ember nest
bro was not having a good time
calm shard
what's the tap throw button it's not in keybinds and when i pull out my grenade ...
just tap
as in the button you use to throw
just tap it instead of holding it
calm shard
bro was not having a good time
yeah som games that one guy just gets the short end of every stick
usually not their fault too xd
narrow yacht
just tap it instead of holding it
i do just tap it and it shows the arc as it throws and then hits the ground long before it blows
calm shard
i do just tap it and it shows the arc as it throws and then hits the ground long...
like that
at ~20-ish meters
I said 12 before because I misremembered the distance
oops
narrow yacht
i was doing all that in the meat grinder and it was really unreliable, only once out of 6 throws did it not hit the ground and sit there for a couple seconds before blowing despite throwing the exact same way every time
i got another try every 60 seconds in a match and only has to happen once so i'll just keep trying it
calm shard
Like I said if you're playing on default FoV you line up the enemies head with the bottom of your screen
which is what I did in that clip
narrow yacht
i don't know if you missed the part where isaid i was doing ALL that but it was said
it wasn't quick throwing is the issue i'm having
and i'm not meaning to be disrespectful towards you i appreciate the help but the thing just isn't working right and you aren't seeming to understand that
narrow yacht
an entire match later only one time did it quick throw and blow above the enemy heads but the penance is done
unreal nova
That one is really hard to show. Best go by feel.
calm shard
yes
weapon skins are for the weapon not per class
even if they're in a different store tab
strong jungle
tryin vet cause i like the personalities
honestly as cool as it is to be some exceptional pseudo-superbeing or something of the sort i think the “everyman” option of the vet is still cool
narrow yacht
i give up on marked for death i keep getting 3 and then one fo the teammates staggers the whole group and i miss the 4th
or an arbites with their shotgun cutting the whole horde down instantly
fair jay
tryin vet cause i like the personalities
I bit the bullet and went cutthroat so that I can be the butt of some jokes
Also they go really hard with their warcries
Their shout of command goes so hard
calm shard
female cutthroat genuinely might be my favorite VA in the entire game
and nobody fuckin' plays them
including myself of course
strong jungle
I bit the bullet and went cutthroat so that I can be the butt of some jokes
Als...
i went professional but i could honestly see myself remaking my vet into a cutthroat just because
actually yeah i am gonna do that
before i get invested lmao
narrow yacht
my favorite VA is the arbites with the really scraggly and hoarse voice
fair jay
I wanted to main psyker but I’ve been having fun with my goofy helbore mf build as I level up weapons and farm dockets
fair jay
my favorite VA is the arbites with the really scraggly and hoarse voice
Maul they call him I think
red fox
yeah som games that one guy just gets the short end of every stick
Which scoreboard mod is this
red fox
Their shout of command goes so hard
I wish exec stance went as hard but "Sever the head, the body dies" is pretty bad ass
calm shard
Which scoreboard mod is this
Power DI
sonic kayak
Which scoreboard mod is this
Believe it or not, it says it
calm shard
It doesn't give details on damage types as much as ovenproof does
But it's more detailed than base scoreboard, and a hell of a lot prettier
also archives
fair jay
Honestly mf might be training me to get headshots lol
I get rewarded with stamina and toughness for headshots
red fox
Believe it or not, it says it <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
okay in my defense, that's such a random assortment of letters it could've been anything
fair jay
okay in my defense, that's such a random assortment of letters it could've been ...
I agree Ngl
sonic kayak
okay in my defense, that's such a random assortment of letters it could've been ...
I'm not mocking you, just teasing you, no worries
calm shard
I get rewarded with stamina and toughness for headshots
and of course the deific powers of +75% finesse
calm shard
It's a Mk V Hotshot thing
Doesn't take long enough to charge to justify surgical, charges too fast to justify weight of fire
so armourbane/hotshot
fair jay
V is the fast one right? That’s the one I’m using it on
calm shard
Oh also another thing
Hot Shot is bugged
The Tier 1 version is the best one
Not the Tier IV
fair jay
Yeah I’m using hot shot 1
calm shard
excellent
fair jay
so armourbane/hotshot
Yeah I might swap weight of fire on my mark V to armorbane
The charge rate is entertaining but feels unneeded
red fox
The Tier 1 version is the best one
wait what
sonic kayak
fair jay
Yeah my understanding is hotshot debuffs the hitmass of enemies hit on weakshot instead of add cleave
Ans that does weird things in calculation
sonic kayak
I don't know the specific value of Tier 1 HotShot but I know it's more than Tier 4
strong jungle
i like the narrative of a young nobody cadian finding purpose in the guard and eventually getting into a position of some renown only to lose it all immediately and then find new purpose in the inquisition
sonic kayak
They probably forgot how to make a decimal fraction again
strong jungle
idk how to build vet at all but i like the concept at least
red fox
i like the narrative of a young nobody cadian finding purpose in the guard and e...
I will say, seeing the comissary armour for zealot and psker made me feel so lame as a vet
you get just recolours of the exact same armour
fair jay
Hotshot 1 is like 2x better than 4 in practice I think
strong jungle
I will say, seeing the comissary armour for zealot and psker made me feel so lam...
yeah it seems like the fashion for ogryn and vet isn’t nearly as good as the other 3 classes
fair jay
idk how to build vet at all but i like the concept at least
I found the hardest part is knowing which toughness nodes you need to get to live, there’s a few big ones
I forget their names but iron will has felt super useful which reduces toughness damage by a lot when above 75%
red fox
yeah it seems like the fashion for ogryn and vet isn’t nearly as good as the oth...
For us i think theres more than just fashion that isn't as good as the other classes
strong jungle
yeah i’ve heard vet is just okay at everything instead of being good at one particular thing
fair jay
Once you know what toughness nodes you need the rest is just playstyle
That’s the impression I got at least
Though I haven’t heard much talk of infiltrator
red fox
yeah i’ve heard vet is just okay at everything instead of being good at one part...
they just need to buff exec stance and then we're good
stealth players are cowards
fair jay
I only ever seem to hear talk about SoC and exec
And it’s always “I use exec becasue it’s cool” and “SoC is too good”
calm shard
Though I haven’t heard much talk of infiltrator
It's okay
Just unremarkable and annoying to build for
red fox
And it’s always “I use exec becasue it’s cool” and “SoC is too good”
I don't use Exec cuz it's cool
it's kinda crap
inland eagle
whats the mortis trials
red fox
I just don't want to get used to eternal gold toughness
serene bough
whats the mortis trials
wave based horde mode
red fox
Is it fun?
serene bough
for a few runs, its gimmicky but useful for grinding out class penances
also has lore drops
inland eagle
for a few runs, its gimmicky but useful for grinding out class penances
ah so not that fun unfortunately. this is why they need to add a versus mode
serene bough
id rather they just enhance the PvE experience
ionic trail
i think i know the answer but I'll ask anyways
if you're running a WS keystone build with the zarona C-Shotgun
is there any partner blessing to Manstopper to allow it to still do a good job of killing specials
or is the trade off mandatory
this is what i currently have
tame lodge
Flechette
inland eagle
this is what i currently have
what rarity is that
ionic trail
it's just a fancy transcendant
inland eagle
id rather they just enhance the PvE experience
is the pve bad in this game
ionic trail
it's an unused rarity, i have a mod that makes any weapon that has reached it's max potential become sainted, or red
it's rather handy for being able to tell with a mere flick of my eyes which weapons are definitely my mainstays 👁️
ionic trail
i mean just run a DB
tried, hated how it feels tbh.
serene bough
is the pve bad in this game
the entire point of this game is pve, you mulch hordes and manage priorities and threats to beat combat encounters
(assuming you;re not just blowing everything up with a rumbler and cakewalking the game)
inland eagle
the entire point of this game is pve, you mulch hordes and manage priorities and...
oh. is there a battle royale mode
serene bough
Its 4 player vs horde
fair jay
the weird thing is mortis trial and the default game are also PvE
so uh, there's nothing but PvE
that's the entire game yeah
?
serene bough
yes
calm shard
that's the entire game yeah
the fight for who gets ammo is a pvp adventure in havoc lfg
calm shard
fair jay
I have not touched havoc or maelstrom yet, or even auric, too scared of bringing down the team
Fancy
tough tiger
I have not touched havoc or maelstrom yet, or even auric, too scared of bringing...
dont be scared, there are plenty of ppl who arent scared (clueless) but still bring the team down anyway
just try out auric, u have nothing to lose and likely do better than the brainless ppl who think they're good enough as soon as they unlock a difficulty
ionic trail
fucking wish mine felt even close to this when using it
but i gotta shoot dudes at medium range so 😔
serene bough
what is the point of this servo skull
fair jay
It's mischievous
ionic trail
It's mischievous
servo skull that just laughs like the trapper when
calm shard
get beamered
serene bough
does it actually illuminate well
calm shard
yeah
serene bough
i see may get that mod then
ionic trail
ROCK AND STONE ⛏️
elfin lion
mischievous that servo skull is
trying to make lasgun work, its painful but it will happen ffs
serene bough
infantry las?
inland eagle
is lone wolf ever worth going? kind of weird ditching your dog like that
elfin lion
si infantry las
tame lodge
is lone wolf ever worth going? kind of weird ditching your dog like that
It's worth it
serene bough
its not the most effective choice currently but i recommend the IIb
elfin lion
yea 2b with infernus
serene bough
i run ghost + HH
elfin lion
hmm that sounds cool
serene bough
i typically run w/ MMF but vet guide in pins recommends loadout w/ FT in mind
i think MMF is better
calm shard
FT is less effort
MMF is better if you're always clicking heads
sometimes it being more effort gets you killed
sometimes FT only affecting one guy means you don't kill something
inland eagle
why would I ditch the puppy tho
hearty panther
yea honestly like, the stats lone wolf gives looks completely insane
but imo, dog is still better
hollow ibex
why would I ditch the puppy tho
so they safe on the mourningstar
tame lodge
serene bough
MMF *is* better if you're always clicking heads
Well its an ilas, you ought to be doing this anyways
calm shard
yeah but like what if your eyelids get in the way and you can't see through the 3 ogryns in your face
and the sun is particularly bright today
or any other number of things
serene bough
Well thats kinda why the ilas isn't really good, other options are better at its role like recon and helbore
Still, MMF pushes breakpoints on stalkers and dreg gunners which FT cant do by itself, and I generally think the pathing is better on the left
red fox
just try out auric, u have nothing to lose and likely do better than the brainle...
im grinding it right now trying to improve , it's rough
went 3 rounds without death tho so i think that's an improvement
inland eagle
I don’t like the idea of ditching the puppy. It’s like the identity of the class. I hope it’s not better than having the 🐶
unreal nova
I don’t like the idea of ditching the puppy. It’s like the identity of the class...
It is better, if you can actually play well. Otherwise dog will compensate for shortcomings and stuff.
calm shard
I can play well and tbh dog is better
bleed is a very reliable source of damage into hordes
and if properly managed dog can seriously pump damage into mixed hordes
hollow ibex
eh i'd say their power levels are pretty similar rn
calm shard
you must learn the dog jank
hollow ibex
dogtech is annoying tho
hollow ibex
unreal nova
you must learn the *dog jank*
GL if 300 ping.
You are guessing EVERYTHING at that point.
Only thing you can be sure of hitting is the pinged target, IF you can ping.
quaint herald
vet cosplay build yeaaah
mighty anvil
did vet get buff since arbites dropped?
unreal nova
did vet get buff since arbites dropped?
Hellbore, yes.
fair jay
the one you have most fun playing with
unreal nova
Does not having the 'optimal' spread miss some sort of important breakpoint?
Nope. You just shoot slower.
Millisecs slower.
fair jay
literally unplayable!!!1one!
mighty anvil
Hellbore, yes.
last i was on hellbore just got like a swap speed buff is that what you're referring to
unreal nova
last i was on hellbore just got like a swap speed buff is that what you're refer...
Thing is, that was what it needed.
fair jay
what is the best hellbore mark
I THINK the gist is, either choose the fastest or slowest helbore. Slowest helbore just goes like... i think Chained Hits charge speed and the crit one
unreal nova
The gun was good enough. Just lul if you needed to swap.
mighty anvil
okay i've heard enough thank you!
unreal nova
literally unplayable!!!1one!
I'm being serious. Is why it doesn't matter as much. Just try to not fully dump it since more than 69 in thermal is a waste.
calm shard
I THINK the gist is, either choose the fastest or slowest helbore. Slowest helbo...
the middle child or the slowest one
IIIa and IV are the really good ones
V is just regular good poor old boy
Having to suffer being adequate
fair jay
I see
fervent citrus
popping in here because iv seen this on vet first, how do you get the triple barrel shotgun
calm shard
https://fximgur.com/a/RXk2Lkf Mk IV helbore is like
In a different universe in terms of damage compared to every other gun that is not the bolter
fervent citrus
oh yeah it is i just cant comprehend that sight
calm shard
popping in here because iv seen this on vet first, how do you get the triple bar...
veteran can't
they get weapon specialist keystone that automatically reloads it tho
the "triple barrel shotgun" is a nickname for an arbites build that uses their increased clip size talent to give the double barrel a third shell
fair jay
What makes the IIIa helbore good? I already knew the IV one was good
calm shard
What makes the IIIa helbore good? I already knew the IV one was good
It's just a lot faster than the IV
fervent citrus
wth ok then
calm shard
Like a lot faster at everything
Mk IV has an irritating delay to every little thing it does
And you either get used to it and adore the gun, or don't and hate it forever
fair jay
Honestly I don't mind the delay, but clearing hordes with V occasionally is so goofy and funny i can't help but like it 
i probably need to stop using it so it won't hold me back if it's the weakest helbore i guess
fervent citrus
i'll keep the perfect roll i found on my psyker ig
i wish i could exchange it between characters
calm shard
i probably need to stop using it so it won't hold me back if it's the weakest he...
It being "the weakest helbore" still makes it a hell of a lot better than a lot of guns
Use it if you like it
fervent citrus
i might find myself a helbore because the recon i cant rly find the power in it
fair jay
What's your trouble with the recon? For both psyker and veteran it's a great gun
fervent citrus
the vrak mkv infantry autogun has the same issues but it feels like i can actually do damage with it
fervent citrus
yeah with scrier's the vrak infantry is kind of stupid
calm shard
hilarious gun
barren cave
you can even put onslaught on it if you wanna never swap off the gun
calm shard
your ammo tho
barren cave
youl find ammo, outside havoc that is
fervent citrus
i cant deny the fantasy of lasering enemies and crowds, but this is why i like the revolver more on vet
calm shard
have you considered shotgun?
fervent citrus
or just in general
barren cave
agri shotgun is crazy too
its very reliable
on both zealot and vet
its really good at sniping stuff if you ads
fervent citrus
tbh arbites has made shotguns boring lol
barren cave
is that both barrels
calm shard
because guaranteed manstopper crits on it turns rager hordes to paste
yeah
only have to use both for ragers because legs
single barrel kills dreg ragers
fervent citrus
actually wait maybe im using the wrong kind of recon
calm shard
actually wait maybe im using the wrong kind of recon
blue and green are the good ones
blue for entirely relying on infernus damage
green for having decent base damage on top
fervent citrus
i have whichever one has the highest firerate
calm shard
it also has a lot of spread
especially if you're being suppressed
green doesn't do that as much
calm shard
if the number is not single digit I do not remember them
scarlet thistle
Me looking at the veteran tree and crying.
calm shard
12 is high fire rate, 14 is slow one, and VIc is middle child
unreal nova
Me looking at the veteran tree and crying.
Would you like to be taxed for your tax on your tax?
scenic vapor
The imperial Tithe must be paid
modern veldt
builds on gameslantern looks like a popularity poll, is there any build creator I can follow for some good builds?
I heard the name BigDoms and Mister E
is there anyone else I should look for? and for other classes as well?
calm shard
is there anyone else I should look for? and for other classes as well?
We have good builds :)
fervent citrus
now that im not in a match i can go quicky look
hollow ibex
I heard the name BigDoms and Mister E
the bigger they are, the more shit their builds are usually
calm shard
Eh not really
fervent citrus
i have the mk XII
calm shard
Just the more sure they are that their shit build is a good one
fervent citrus
the stinking pisser is it has the big stats but the dump is mobility
hollow ibex
dump should be collat but mobility is fine
modern veldt
"bigger" you mean the upvote in gameslantern?
hollow ibex
"bigger" you mean the upvote in gameslantern?
first rule of thumb when looking at gameslantern builds: ignore all the upvoted ones
hollow ibex
if you want builds, ask under the class channel
/ check pins
this server is where you can find all the sweats, tryhards, and nerds doing breakpoint calcs
modern veldt
I also crawling through the detailed guides, the first one I notice is about Psyker, none of the "most liked" builds have Surge in the EK staff
hollow ibex
yes
hollow ibex
I also crawling through the detailed guides, the first one I notice is about Psy...
surge on EK is mostly for LMB memes, which was nerfed
or fixed rather
modern veldt
but in the Psyker guide on steam, said that EK staff is OP with surge, that's why I starting to get sus about the builds on gameslantern
oh well
I need to study more
hollow ibex
but in the Psyker guide on steam, said that EK staff is OP with surge, that's wh...
which psyker guide? atheneum?
that one is really old
there's no real psyker guide anymore
just check the pins for builds
those are more recent, it's just that nobody has made a new guide
modern veldt
which psyker guide? atheneum?
yes that one
modern veldt
lol got it
I will take more time look into the pins
starting to do havoc, get fucked in almost everygame
hollow ibex
ogryn = ogrynomicon
vet = hammer of the emperor (though it's a bit old, updated steam version coming soon tm)
zealot = that guide in the pins, i forget the name
psyker = pinned builds
modern veldt
in 22 havoc level now, but understood that I just got carried by teammates and not actually doing shit
calm shard
starting to do havoc, get fucked in almost everygame
Havoc is as much a skill test as it is a build test
Honestly mostly a skill test
People overestimate how much build matters for havoc
fervent citrus
man i wish i had a good dueling sword on my vet
hollow ibex
feels like half of it is just memorizing which maps have shit spawns tbh
calm shard
feels like half of it is just memorizing which maps have shit spawns tbh <:KEKW_...
dh on excise vault
die inside
fervent citrus
do you guys use the mk 4 power sword or mk 3
calm shard
huh
fervent citrus
6
unreal nova
this server is where you can find all the sweats, tryhards, and nerds doing brea...
Also, builds ppl use just for fun but are likely better than the upvoted stuff on gameslantern.
Though not MINMAXXED.
barren cave
my fav vet is no keystone , full nade build
without twinned nades though, i dont think thats great even on full nade build
red fox
my fav vet is no keystone , full nade build
I didn't realise how ridiculous demolition team was
Im now all aboard the nade bus
calm shard
I mean it's a 20% chance to get what a 66% damage increase on your grenade throw?
Something like that?
barren cave
yeah shredder nades do a lot of work, and you get loads if you dont take a keystone and just spec into nades
calm shard
That's not awful
barren cave
its not, but its also like
the second nade can just go off somewhere else
it doesnt go in the exact same direction
it steers a little
calm shard
it only does that if you're throwing your nades really far away
barren cave
its still more dmg, but id rather have the talent point elsewhere
calm shard
Like you have to be chucking that sucker damn near 30 meters for them to be too far apart to hit the same target
red fox
I don't feel like any of the keystones are worth it over having a fuck ton of shredders
round flint
I didn't realise how ridiculous demolition team was
demo team is absolutely nuts for sure. so many nades all the time
barren cave
also shredders are just really good to use in any situation
red fox
demo team is absolutely nuts for sure. so many nades all the time
I had a run last night where my grenade counter literally didn't go down while tossing out 3 grenades
ridiculous
calm shard
I don't feel like any of the keystones are worth it over having a fuck ton of sh...
MMF is absurd damage if you have the aim to get it stacked
FT is very basic and generally applicable, and a sizable damage boost if your whole team is ganging up on a guy
red fox
also shredders are just really good to use in any situation
i've been surviving a ton more on Auric by just abusing shredders
calm shard
Weapon Specialist is free infinite crits for single shot ranged weapons, and very reliable attack speed
round flint
its also great to basically always have at least 1 in the chamber
calm shard
that too
red fox
Weapon Specialist is free infinite crits for single shot ranged weapons, and ver...
but it's so investment heavy
calm shard
also means you'll always have a shot to kill that specialist
If you take that subnode anyways
red fox
which weapons work well with WS actually, i've never properly tried a WS build
barren cave
i dont like taking the talent that gives you nades from ammo crates too, but i do love it when another vet has it
unreal nova
I mean it's a 20% chance to get what a 66% damage increase on your grenade throw...
But if you have luck like mine... That's 1 twin every 15 throws.
hollow ibex
but it's so investment heavy
other way around, WS only needs 1 point to be very good, all the other keystones need at least 2
red fox
other way around, WS only needs 1 point to be very good, all the other keystones...
but i feel like a lot of the points on the way to it are pretty meh
barren cave
also no one takes exhilirating takedown right?
round flint
which weapons work well with WS actually, i've never properly tried a WS build
i ran psword+revolver ages ago, ive swapped revolver for bolt pistol. really good at just sitting in melee and then just swapping and murdering the fuck out of a random special that needs murdering, then swapping back
hollow ibex
but i feel like a lot of the points on the way to it are pretty meh
also the other way around, bottom right is mandatory if you don't want your melee to be ass without PS
in terms of bottom nodes
bunch of shit in the center is mandatory
skipping is trolling
after that right side is priority for reciprocity, desperado
ten left side for precision strikes
then you decide if you want trench fighter (right side) or super complex (left side
red fox
also the other way around, bottom right is mandatory if you don't want your mele...
🙏 i will take your word for it i've not tried a WS build, what weapons are good for that?
hollow ibex
if you commit center and left only, you basically need to take power sword to not have pathetic melee
barren cave
they should put trench fighter somewhere higher up tbh
hollow ibex
if you commit center and right only, you lose some dps on most guns
hollow ibex
they should put trench fighter somewhere higher up tbh
yeah that would help a lot
hollow ibex
🙏 i will take your word for it i've not tried a WS build, what weapons are goo...
really any melee that kills hordes + big alpha damage guns usually
solar valve
desperado and reciprocity make psword feel 10x better
calm shard
if you commit center and right only, you lose some dps on most guns
center and left only we don't need melee where we're going
solar valve
I still take those nodes
red fox
if you commit center and left only, you basically *need* to take power sword to ...
that's me right now
but im using Rashad
hollow ibex
center and left only we don't need melee where we're going
yeah that's basically what you're signing up for with center left only
red fox
not great but not awful
hollow ibex
but im using Rashad
rashad without trench fighter is soooooo damn slow
barren cave
trench fighter is like basic strong buff id like on every vet build, but its a pain to get to
hollow ibex
trench fighter is like basic strong buff id like on every vet build, but its a p...
tfw psyker has easier access to 10% attack speed than vet 😭
calm shard
trench fighter is like basic strong buff id like on every vet build, but its a p...
vet tree in a nuthsell
red fox
rashad without trench fighter is soooooo damn slow
true...i really felt that yseterday
solar valve
melee psyker is based
calm shard
all the basic strong stuff that every build wants is buried under niche useless crap
barren cave
also theres that one node where 3 great talents are all next to each other right before focus trget
red fox
I was using dueling sword the round before, switch the rashad to switch it up and wait a minute, why is the horde advancing why am i so slow
barren cave
feelsbadman
hollow ibex
if you ever felt like you're worthless in life, at least you aren't this guy
barren cave
red fox
😂
solar valve
Vet's favorite shape is a diamond
grand perch
if you ever felt like you're worthless in life, at least you aren't this guy
yeah i hate that one but the +25% suppression node leading to iron will i even worse because its fucking mandatory
wish it would fuck right off
barren cave
replace it with trench fighter
hollow ibex
yeah i hate that one but the +25% suppression node leading to iron will i *even...
at least you can take born leader or FTE
red fox
yeah i hate that one but the +25% suppression node leading to iron will i *even...
you can tell that was crunch time decision where they were just like, put whatever the fuck there this update needs to go out
hollow ibex
not that either of them are particularly appealing usually
barren cave
is born leader good
hollow ibex
it's ok
solar valve
meh
barren cave
i thought for the emperor was no brainer pick compared to born leader
grand perch
at least you can take born leader or FTE
no not that one
hollow ibex
FTE is only 5 seconds is the real issue
solar valve
rework vet first
calm shard
is born leader good
I like to run it on gun vet with exhilarating takedown sometimes
Regenerate a ton of toughness from clicking the heretics on the noggin
Might as well share it around
grand perch
THIS PIECE OF SHIT
calm shard
Especially since I'm already spending a skill point on something I don't want
hollow ibex
I like to run it on gun vet with exhilarating takedown sometimes
problem is it costs 2 points...
barren cave
also one motion is pretty good
as is out for blood
and you get the free movement speed before going to the nade nodes
calm shard
problem is it costs 2 points...
I have already stopped running the free grenade every minute for 15 stacks of MMF+COD
Do not remind me that I could also take exhilarating takedown jnstead of them
hollow ibex
I have already stopped running the free grenade every minute for 15 stacks of MM...
i can't give up demo team
even if it costs 2 points...
grand perch
I have already stopped running the free grenade every minute for 15 stacks of MM...
Oh hey that's what I use a lot
round flint
i need to force a friend to play vet with me so i can take fire team while he takes survivalist. i want that spare point
barren cave
oh you take long range assassin?
ive been meaning to try that , but I feel like id never build 15 stacks
unreal nova
I could share my 'nadier WS build... Just drop skirmisher for Trench Fighter if slower melees and drop grenadier, crit chance or grenadier born leader to get precision strikes.
hollow ibex
ive been meaning to try that , but I feel like id never build 15 stacks
im too shit to use 15 stacks
i always just take camo
for regenning 10 stakcs
barren cave
also does anyone have a good build for doing the marksmans focus penance
its taking a bit
unreal nova
also does anyone have a good build for doing the marksmans focus penance
That's taking crouch for stacks and meleeing with a friend in mercantile. XD
unreal nova
XD
barren cave
i really wanna switch off from marksman focus
unreal nova
It's 45 mins to go from 0 to unlock.
And have friend shoot trappers/dogs/etc.
So you can AFK more.
barren cave
the crouching bit on that node is so funny to me
like did fs really think vets were gonna crouch walk like actual snipers in darktide
barren cave
yeah but its so difficult to do all that when you're in auric +
its actually just hard to stand still for full 15 stacks
much less crouch walk
ogryn is just running around you in circles, meanwhile vet is crouch walking behind me " yo, im building some stacks here"
ofc, you dont actually have to do it, you can just stand still and shoot off heads
hollow ibex
set up a headshot
arbi / ogryn / trauma psyker knocks over the entire horde
barren cave
that works fine
hollow ibex
marksman builds are so annoying in the current meta
barren cave
its so nice when you get a lil breathing room and you have a vraks autogun
then you hit f and just kill everyone you see
what does the special on agri shotgun do
is the slug like, worth using
hollow ibex
is the slug like, worth using
yeah
i always preload a slug when there's downtime
i don't think slugs only is worth it-- more of a meme
but slugs are very powerful
huge damage, guaranteed full bore proc
can open bulwark shields
throw crushers on their ass too iirc... or maybe that's with 2 slugs
nocturne mulch
its actually just hard to stand still for full 15 stacks
You should easily be able to maintain full stacks even full dodge sliding around during combat
barren cave
i have skill issue, because i load a slug, then I usually end up spending it on a grunt shooter somewhere
nocturne mulch
The trick is to do exactly what that keystone suggests and get weakspot kills
hollow ibex
i have skill issue, because i load a slug, then I usually end up spending it on ...
i mean that's fine too, not like slugs cost more ammo
hollow ibex
yeh
barren cave
and I can just spam m1 in close range and it deletes
red fox
What weapons benefits from a WS build?
barren cave
double barrel shotgun
red fox
👀
calm shard
What weapons benefits from a WS build?
revolver, double barrel, combat shotguns, bolt pistol, plasma
red fox
I seeee
I've never brought any of those into higher content other than plasma
revolver does seem pretty gnarly tho
round flint
its a blast
barren cave
double barrel with ws is crazy
calm shard
https://fximgur.com/a/8euIbAw double barrel is my favorite of the bunch for WS
nocturne mulch
Every melee and ranged weapon is fine for every difficulty besides high havoc.
So just experiment with all
scarlet thistle
Would you like to be taxed for your tax on your tax?
Evading taxation is highest in my hierarchy of human needs.
unreal nova
Evading taxation is highest in my hierarchy of human needs.
That's paying for Arby and running lone Wulf.
scarlet thistle
You CAN'T make me pay taxes.
grand perch
Evading taxation is highest in my hierarchy of human needs.
But you's a skink
Pay up
scarlet thistle
No i'm clearly labled as not a skink.
grand perch
red fox
Every melee and ranged weapon is fine for every difficulty besides high havoc.
i don't have the skill to compensate for some of them
sharp trail
is agile engagement necessary for db ws builds?
grand perch
Yes
sharp trail
is rashad mandatory for this build or can i swap it out for something like chaxe or knife, and do i need to allocate points elsewhere if i want to use them
grand perch
Should work with just about any melee.
You have great mixed horde clear with the DB so no great need for horde clearing melee
The only one you probably don't want is chainsword... Because it's bad and only does trash horde clear
Similar case with devils claw... You would lack anti armour and boss damage
hybrid plover
agile engagement isn't necessary. it's nice to have though.
only genuinely necessary thing is weapon specialist and the node that reloads your weapon when you get melee kills
or rather, kills when you have your melee weapon out to be specific
glacial void
Im new to the class so umm..what should i build if im playing with a bolter or bolt pistol ?
normal bay
Bolter - EXE stance build with Focus target keystone. Shredders or maybe smokes if you're so inclined but they're taxed heavily
Bolt pistol -shout + weapon specialist. Abuse lethal prox grenade interactions
So shredders again lol
obsidian vault
Are bolters good for frontline use fellow veterans ?
glacial void
Bolter - EXE stance build with Focus target keystone. Shredders or maybe smokes ...
What is EXE
normal bay
Executioners stance, left side combat ability
normal bay
Are bolters good for frontline use fellow veterans ?
Too slow and clunky for frontlining imo
obsidian vault
Too slow and clunky for frontlining imo
Aha, so backline support it is the
glacial void
Executioners stance, left side combat ability
aight, i'll try it on my next run
thanks bro
grand perch
agile engagement isn't *necessary*. it's nice to have though.
It's just a near permanent 25% damage bonus with a shotgun slinging WS build. Absolute key node
rigid pilot
past stratus
I don't feel like Veteran is lacking in damage
ember nest
I think they have a lot of burst but turning that into sustained and constant damage takes more work from vets that other classes
Which I think is fine, but ideally a rework makes more builds more comfy
hybrid plover
It's just a near permanent 25% damage bonus with a shotgun slinging WS build. Ab...
could prompt similar results from taking the marksman and close quarters killzone nodes, especially since if you're killing enough specialists, those buffs can virtually be permanent as well
or in some crazy situations, you can stack the damage bonuses
grand perch
those arent reasons not to take agile engagement
hybrid plover
I mean, if you're going full on infiltrate, yeah no reason not to, but if you're going shout, it's in a weird spot honestly to accomodate for that
i really hope they rework veteran soon because the tax nodes are brutal :(
but yeah i've done that exact build on shout without agile and honestly, the guaranteed crits from ws already provides a hefty chunk of damage even without agile, or even those other nodes
especially if you're abusing flechette
bold mural
Does deadshot continue to function when you've run out of stamina?
past stratus
I like this for WS, not a Havoc build though
3 other points can be WS nodes, field improv or whatever else
hybrid plover
also i know this isn't exactly vet discussion but i have to put out that trappers are straight up manifesting the powers of the warp at this point with the angles i've been getting hit from lately and i was on vet so
past stratus
the nets are immaterial until they hit you
bold mural
well, that sucks.
Complete a Mission on Heresy Threat or higher with no Ammo remaining, and 90 accuracy
would hitting a bulwark's shield reduce your accuracy stat?
pallid jetty
skill issue, no joke
teal canyon
Vets nodes be like:
+10% damage after critical hit weakpoint kill for 3 seconds stack 3 times
hybrid plover
Vets nodes be like:
+10% damage after critical hit weakpoint kill for 3 seconds ...
i wish vet had nodes like that
normal bay
Another Helbore W
hybrid plover
Helbore is good
I just wish it could cleave through a god damned arm
hybrid plover
Both
teal canyon
Vet nodes be like:
You get nothing after toughness died out
tame lodge
past stratus
Veteran nodes are more like "oh you want that cool node? Pay your taxes."
tame lodge
No no
I think when the meant arm
teal canyon
Vet nodes be like:
Worse than the other one but purple
tame lodge
It was about how you shoot bosses
normal bay
+15 toughness is not a tax node to me lol
hybrid plover
Yeah, bolt weapons have decent cleave
tame lodge
And ignore their arm hit box
tame lodge
Veteran nodes are more like "oh you want that cool node? Pay your taxes."
💀
Arby's have 2 25 tg tax
Fatshark be like
"We removed stat padding nodes"
teal canyon
Vet nodes be like:
Castrate yourself and get to annoy teammates with fog.
thin bobcat
FOR CREED
tall torrent
+15 toughness is not a tax node to me lol
it is
past stratus
+15 toughness is not a tax node to me lol
that's your veteran brain, if it was Arby or Oggy that node would be "+15 toughness and you're immune to knockdown. You get +20% damage whenever you press W and your toughness regenerates 20% per second when you move"
tiny stag
how much kantrael infantry lasgun staggers the target? I was thinking no respite -blessing on it but I'm not sure
tall torrent
how much kantrael infantry lasgun staggers the target? I was thinking no respite...
almost no stagger
tiny stag
oh.
normal bay
Compared to +5% reload speed or whatever cursed dogshit someone put in there, +15 tough is pretty nice
But I get what you're saying
past stratus
man gets a crumb and is like "oh this is useful" when it is dogshit compared to the new class 😭 mindbroken by veteran
tame lodge
Zealot with 20% suppression under Chastise
normal bay
Premium tax node
tame lodge
💀
teal canyon
Vet nodes be like:
Remove the mechanic that isn't noticeable or get +30% headshot damage
past stratus
Compared to +5% reload speed or whatever cursed dogshit someone put in there, +1...
it's not 15% brother, it is a flat +15
tall torrent
most of vet's problems go away if u make vet a lv40 character
tame lodge
hybrid plover
It's one of the better nodes vet has.
normal bay
it's not 15% brother, it is a flat +15 <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I know, typo
teal canyon
Vet nodes be like:
You run fast but only when looking at that zealot juicy ass on the ground
normal bay
Arbites nodes be like;
You tripped and fell, here's 15% damage
safe kestrel
man gets a crumb and is like "oh this is useful" when it is dogshit compared to ...
Arbites when having to click past the mandatory +25 toughness node
hybrid plover
I mean one of the nodes for Arby is literally
"Are you breathing heavily? Here's 15% toughness."
teal canyon
Vet nodes be like: damage boost but only for enemies that aren't actually dangerous to you
And you don't know how much
safe kestrel
"Are you breathing heavily? Here's 15% toughness."
Gosh you’re sure working hard there buddy! Here’s a raise!
hybrid plover
Crazy that a node that just gives you toughness for using stamina even exists and it's as strong as it is.
teal canyon
Vet auras be like:
Here is a shell
Here is nothing
Here is almost nothing
unreal nova
Gosh you’re sure working hard there buddy! Here’s a raise!
You mean, I just have 10% per sec here and there just standing around doing nothing because puppo go bork bork and is near me as well.
teal canyon
Vet nodes be like:
Grenades, but most inconveniently
hybrid plover
Fire Team does actually help with breakpoints on some ranged weapons. And Close and Kill is a considerable mobility increase.
The problem is, survivalist exists.
And if that exists, why would you ever take anything else?
Unless you're making a build that just can't fit it.
teal canyon
The problem is, survivalist exists.
The problem is fatshark love to delete ammo from levels or just delete ranged damage because
hybrid plover
Survivalist is just so overwhelmingly powerful compared to the other two that even those being decent picks just doesn't matter.
past stratus
My favorite is Twinned blast where you spend one talent point on something that may or may not work half of the time
thanks fatshark
tall torrent
My favorite is Twinned blast where you spend one talent point on something that ...
twinned is top tier meta in havoc
teal canyon
My favorite is Twinned blast where you spend one talent point on something that ...
80% of the time
hybrid plover
You regen grenades so often in Havoc that it procs way more
unreal nova
Vet node be like
You're existing, here's constant toughness regen
CLANK. You aren't regenning anymore
past stratus
in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only peace and passive regeneration
junior grail
My proposal is to rework the auras of Vet so all give ammo plus benefit, just via different methods
- ammo on elite/spec kills
- ammo on melee kills
- ammo on timer
past stratus
I don't think I like ammo that much, sir.
tall torrent
My proposal is to rework the auras of Vet so all give ammo plus benefit, just vi...
just make survivalist vet iconic and only work for vet, with lower cooldown
teal canyon
Vet node be like
You're existing, here's constant toughness regen
Tax node beside tax node. Would skip for reload speed
tall torrent
replace survivalist's current spot with a new aura
tame lodge
Tax node beside tax node. Would skip for reload speed
You'd skip CaB for Reload?
That's crazy
teal canyon
You'd skip CaB for Reload?
It doesn't do anything for me
past stratus
My solution is
safe kestrel
Vet node be like
You're existing, here's constant toughness regen
That’s one big passive plus side to picking vet over psyker or zealot but also it’s like why not ogryn then?
safe kestrel
Someone second the motion and we can finally hang Higui today
past stratus
I mean, Higui is right that all classes wish they could be Oggy
steep flower
Ngl tho oggy blitz selection is perfect cause you can pick any & pay no tax node
Arby too tbh
safe kestrel
I’ll admit it’s straight up jealousy but righteous jealousy over better tree design
unreal nova
Not enjoy up to 5 points in taxes.