It can even change halfway through
#veteran-class
normal bay
muted peak
Sometimes the game is smooth as butter but sometimes punishes you for no reason
tame lodge
Notice how it's only tested on big targets
tropic notch
No tac axe /10
tame lodge
#nooticing
unreal nova
A revolver that can barely 1 shot in heresy won't 1 shot on damnation.
unreal nova
Yes but why did you want to mention that?
Might be why it can be harder. Things going wrong usually is because things aren't dying fast enough.
muted peak
god writing in english is so exhausting
faint beacon
I’ve been subjected to so much Deltarune brainrot from @lucid hinge that I was expecting to hear Spamton NEOs theme upon playing this LMAO
muted peak
Might be why it can be harder. Things going wrong usually is because things aren...
Oh now I get it
maybe thats why
lucid hinge
I’ve been subjected to so much Deltarune brainrot from <@508465754832633896> tha...
you're welcome
it will continue
trim badger
Notice how it's only tested on big targets
It's havoc 40 things will tank enough to get at least 30% dmg benefit on the next target anyways so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic notch
Notice how it's only tested on big targets
Dude this is peak he will never EVER miss a weakspot hit
faint beacon
Anytime
faint beacon
I don’t even have BO3 downloaded at the moment
faint beacon
I’m coping with the state of 6 cause they basically said it serves no point existing after what they announced and it upsets me
tropic notch
I’d fuck up some waw rn
tropic notch
I’m coping with the state of 6 cause they basically said it serves no point exis...
It’s bleak
If they want a cash grab just remake bo1
trim badger
See video if you doubt!!!!!!
In H40 it's even easier because you can make them explode the moment they lose their shield
fully abusing relentless, where as if I used precog in that situation it would've uhhhh, be kinda useless cuz they don't get enough time to even attack once
trim badger
So I do recommend getting better footage
I'll try
trim badger
But precog is always gonna be better if there's no shield to burst
in regard to twin alone
captain on the other hand is very easy to keep ruthless value
trim badger
So I do recommend getting better footage
wish I could somehow force the twin to have a shield
warm schooner
doesn't the damage gate on the shield make that less relevant?
trim badger
doesn't the damage gate on the shield make that less relevant?
Twins don't have this actually
they don't have the max damage cap
normal caps do
warm schooner
fatshark things I guess
steel veldt
Wait so ADSing increases stagger?
faint beacon
Tac Axe also shreds shields on twins and captains insanely quick just saying
safe raptor
on PC this is a setting that made me play in stable 60fps instead of 40 lol
trim badger
@tame lodge this is some pretty good value out of relentless
While precog is good when aggro is on you it's pretty much dead weight when it's on someone else or when it can't even move (stuff like book, taunt, and allthat stunning them)
relentless is especially good against fucking slugs
God I hate havoc 40 slugs so this is a blessing
languid prawn
is there another meta melee weapon for veteren other than the duelling sword
calm shard
is there another meta melee weapon for veteren other than the duelling sword
power sword and heavy sword are vets meta melee options
not dueling sword
and heavy sword only if you're using mk iv helbore or bolter
languid prawn
really?? it seems like everyone i see on youtube is using the duelling sword
at least thats the only thing ive uses since making a veteren
at least to me it seems broken considering it 2 hits bulwarks
languid prawn
fair enough.
was thinking about trying the heavy sword/bolter combo next but idk if it does well in havoc's since thats my goal
calm shard
And now you know why it seems everyone uses it.
2 shotting bulwarks is far from the reason everyone uses dueling sword
and is one of the least special things about it
the reason everyone runs dueling sword is because it's the easiest to use of any of the weapons that has superior dodges
combat knife and tac axe both have its same defensive boosts, and knife has its same single target focus
arctic rampart
is there another meta melee weapon for veteren other than the duelling sword
if you're not going havoc, lot of people like rashaad
languid prawn
if you're not going havoc, lot of people like rashaad
what is rashaad
steel veldt
I got crushed by crushers like 6 times in 3 games, my dodging game is NOT on point today
arctic rampart
knife, lots of other options too. personally I hate knife and rather tac axe
steel veldt
I dodge backwards (for some reason) and they hit me beyond the hammer texture lol
arctic rampart
what is rashaad
languid prawn
combat knife and tac axe both have its same defensive boosts, and knife has its ...
ok that makes sense. i only started vet like 4 days ago some im still learning the combos
languid prawn
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/combat-axe/rashad-mk-iii-combat-axe
bet thanks
arctic rampart
rashaad's great for newer players imo just really solid
languid prawn
now is boltgun w/ heavy sword good for havocs and if so which bolter should i use
arctic rampart
get brutal momentum on it and slaughterer
sudden cedar
@calm shard True, that is not the only reason and not the most important one. But come on, two-shotting bulwarks with an easy to use weapon with high mobility? Of course people would use it.
Its like the Plasma Gun.
Fire and forget without having to think much.
trim badger
is there another meta melee weapon for veteren other than the duelling sword
Power sword is a very good alternative
Combat knife is also a very good alternative
trim badger
really?? it seems like everyone i see on youtube is using the duelling sword
Duelling sword is the best option
don't let them confuse you
trim badger
the reason everyone runs dueling sword is because it's the easiest to use of any...
easy or not doesn't matter it still has the highest boss dmg
which you need in havoc lol
steel veldt
really?? it seems like everyone i see on youtube is using the duelling sword
I started using knife for fun
unreal nova
I dodge backwards (for some reason) and they hit me beyond the hammer texture lo...
Only knoife with maybe WS will save you with back dodges. Also, what you see is different from what the server sees usually... AND hitboxes might be bigger than they look.
steel veldt
Only knoife with maybe WS will save you with back dodges. Also, what you see is ...
So always dodge to the sides ty
unreal nova
So always dodge to the sides ty
Yep. They also lunge forwards when slamming it, giving extra reach.
calm shard
easy or not doesn't matter it still has the highest boss dmg
well no because combat axe and power sword both outperform it
or G U N
trim badger
well no because combat axe and power sword both outperform it
power sword?
power sword best bost killer in Havoc?
kind of a crazy statement here
steel veldt
I used duelling sword as it was the closest the game had to a katana tbh
my weeb ass needed it
and it's so fun
trim badger
#veteran-class message
#veteran-class message
Like, you telling me Powersword does work faster than this?
trim badger
or **G U N**
Only applicable to recon/boltgun
ember nest
Yeah naw bread is the veteran damage pump knower
normal bay
I've seen PS do silly burst damage to H40 bosses
warm schooner
ranged trades on bosses in havoc are seriously underrated, being able to plink away constantly while repositioning reduces the time on boss fights by a lot
ps6 definitely can do that when the buffs align
trim badger
and helbore
I don't think it's a good idea to use helbore against bosses on havoc
takes lots of time
trim badger
and infantry autogun
well the issue with this is le ammo
trim badger
and laspistol
this is good too
trim badger
I've seen PS do silly burst damage to H40 bosses
Most of the times when I'm playing a havoc mission with the loadout I used on the videos I posted here
they die very quickly
On Zealot I'm still thinking if precog is better than relentless
but on Vet relentless is 100% the best
severe jolt
Why're you forgetting infantry lasgun? That's legitimately a rifle with infinite ammo on veteran
warm schooner
infantry lasgun is arguably a suboptimal pick due to the fact that it requires the Determined node to be anti gunner
while it's damage isn't high enough to justify the investment
which is why it's usually laspistol or helbore in high havoc
or one of the many reasons
severe jolt
infantry lasgun is arguably a suboptimal pick due to the fact that it requires t...
Wait how does that make sense?
warm schooner
you don't get suppressed almost at all with laspistol or helbore when adsing under fire
so you don't need to spend the talent point to get determined to avoid having your reticle jumping around
and the gunner/reaper/small shooter packs are especially deadly and intense on high havoc
severe jolt
so you don't need to spend the talent point to get determined to avoid having yo...
Yeah but I'm really used to compensating for recoil. I run ripper gun on ogryn.
warm schooner
it's a much bigger problem for vet because even with dodges you are going to take fire
ogryn with steady grip can get away with a lot
hollow ibex
Yeah but I'm really used to compensating for recoil. I run ripper gun on ogryn.
recoil is different from suppression
warm schooner
even with CAB you are going to go down in a split second
so you have to also leverage confirmed kill to ensure your toughness stays at max so you don't instantly drop
also what siro said
severe jolt
Oh you're talking about the thing where you're getting hit by gunners. You can just avoid the guns by not getting in their line of sight.
warm schooner
that's what you are not getting
you do not have that luxury in high havoc
some maps like magistrati are notorious for having sections where every sightline is covered by gunner/sniper/reaper/shooter fire. And when I say fire I mean it's a fucking torrent of fire.
it is nothing like even auric maelstorm
psyker bubbles go down in seconds
severe jolt
you do not have that luxury in high havoc
I play havocs
I know what it's like
that's why I know it's best to never get hit at all
hollow ibex
I play havocs
I know what it's like
that's why I know it's best to never get hit...
You don’t need to get hit to get suppressed
Gunner just has to vaguely point in your direction
tall torrent
power sword and heavy sword are vets meta melee options
why heavy sword
tall torrent
power sword best bost killer in Havoc?
power sword is not as high boss sustain but hits higher burst
steel veldt
Sooo best blessings for knife?
little path
I thought the meta melees for vet was combaxe, ds and psword
little path
Sooo best blessings for knife?
Depends on if you want bleed or not
unreal nova
Sooo best blessings for knife?
Uncanny, uncanny, uncanny.
Then you pick something you want.
little path
Yeah basically that
steel veldt
kk
little path
Uncanny is a must pick then if you have the bleed talent then grab merciless killer
If not uuuuh
I don't remember rn
hollow ibex
MK's not worth it on vet
you have to path to serrated blade, which is generally not something most builds will do
unreal nova
If you must, just tell us what looks good to you and we'll just tell you if t's good.
unreal nova
MK's not worth it on vet
It also doesn't do enough. Needs to be buffed with like twice the value to feel good.
hollow ibex
uncanny + riposte/flesh tearer/lacerate/precog are pretty standard
hollow ibex
It also doesn't do enough. Needs to be buffed with like twice the value to feel ...
60% is pretty good tbf
precision strikes is only 30%
but it's hard to fit serrated onto most builsd
unreal nova
Considering how taxing to really run it.
little path
Or does enough
hollow ibex
uncanny + lacerate/lacerate/lacerate/lacerate/ are pretty standard
@tame lodge fixed it for you
little path
It's just the cost on talent tree that makes it not great to run
fading yarrow
I'm getting so used to playing Arbites that I saw several around me with their dogs and thought, "Where's my dog? I want to pet him," before looking around, not seeing him, then remembering I'm on Vet atm
fading yarrow
Don't ye stare at me like that Karien
Dog-petting is a desire engrained in all mankind
fading yarrow
Not every reject deserves a dog
Loner desperately needs a dog
And perhaps Cutthroat, too
unreal nova
I will never touch the poxhound
Someone seems to wanna pat the poxhound over there.
unreal nova
Loner desperately needs a dog
And perhaps Cutthroat, too
Look, Loner needs friends they can trust. Puppos can always be trusted... unless food.
calm shard
why heavy sword
too used to playing helbore iv
trim badger
power sword is not as high boss sustain but hits higher burst
so basically better for non havoc
I see
I'll take that in mind when playing aurics
steel veldt
Bro we just lost and then the guy left and the bot revived the last guy
3 dead last downed
someone leaves, bot spawns, revives downed guy???
arctic rampart
I II V E G on ice map yeee lesgo
scenic vapor
so notice how it doesnt say anything about ranged or weakspot kills
u can get 10 stacks and then kill in meele
doesnt take that long
scenic vapor
granade build on no ammo pickups should do the trick
normal bay
Take the camouflage node and crouch the whole time lol
scenic vapor
and kraks are pretty fun anyways so its no that bad
normal bay
Mag dump hordes with recon like the vet you were meant to be
strange crow
now is boltgun w/ heavy sword good for havocs and if so which bolter should i us...
I think path recommends tax axe for havoc 40 when you’re using bolter
calm shard
so it's just armourbane then
how many was that one again?
calm shard
feels like 5 million with how worthless krak grenades are
remote sonnet
It is useful, but too specialized.
safe raptor
the problem is that anything but bulwarks/crushers will be killed by your teammates before they explode
calm shard
I think they're both too specialized and not useful personally
the literal only enemy type I think they have use for is if there is more than 3 bulwarks
remote sonnet
Krak can't kill bulwark in H35+...
scenic vapor
wdm my single target anti armor grenade cant kill that singular armored enemy 
heavy rover
bruh
remote sonnet
I only keep it on for boss fighting build. Hate it or whatever, but deleting Havoc bosses quickly is a qol.
Especially the hardened monstrosity...
normal bay
But kraks barely tickle H40 bosses?
remote sonnet
If it barely tickles, then whatever you are using it not that much better.
quiet valley
The Helbore IV literally does more dmg per shot than a Krak Grenade for boss killing
normal bay
I'm pretty sure one PS stab does more damage lol
shrewd flax
which hellbore do you use?
quiet valley
IV
heavy rover
mk iiia, but that's because I like armourbane on it
calm shard
I only keep it on for boss fighting build. Hate it or whatever, but deleting Hav...
kraks don't do good boss damage tho is the thing
2400 base damage
2-3 swings from the usual good boss damage melee outdoes them
quiet valley
Helbore casually hit 10k plus before team buffs/debuffs
remote sonnet
In a vacuum yes. When it gets debuffed, it does numbers.
scenic vapor
if crit yeah but it crits most of the time so i guess thats no a real point
Im talking about hellbore ^
scenic vapor
not really
normal bay
You need to run hotshot 1 to cleave
steel veldt
My friend gave me a really cool looking build but it lacks a keystone, that is possible right? To not have a keystone but have a great build?
heavy rover
yes
scenic vapor
My friend gave me a really cool looking build but it lacks a keystone, that is p...
yeah thas pretty standard on vet
normal bay
Yes
steel veldt
yeah thas pretty standard on vet
Ty
blazing jetty
All the vet keystones have very subtle effects
calm shard
well no they don't
shrewd flax
sometimes I see hellbore killing to enemeis at the same time when they are relly close together
calm shard
they're just all so far down and such a pain in the ass to build for that it can easily be not worth it
when it means missing essential talents outside of them
arctic rampart
well if you're good at tagging that's a pretty impactful one IMO. weap spec induces a more fun playstyle. I almost always take one
scenic vapor
sometimes I see hellbore killing to enemeis at the same time when they are relly...
if you go with hotshot u can kinda clear a horde but its more of a precision weapon since u need to hit weakspots anyway
tame lodge
how many enemies does hellbore go through?
3 cleave base
Same as bolter
Agripina Braced Autogun
fading yarrow
I am discheesed
Very discheesed
Silo Cluster, Ogryn got hurled over an edge, another ran off and died, another woke a Daemonhost, then left before it could kill him and depart, which meant it then aggroed onto me
Discheesure.
past stratus
that has been my experience lately
idk if the game is harder or the players worse, but it has been way more difficult to finish missions these days
calm shard
idk if the game is harder or the players worse, but it has been way more difficu...
game can be harder on aurics
aurics can be high intensity now
kinda goes hard
past stratus
maybe that's the case
before the patch Auric was a chill difficulty to play for fun
hollow ibex
I really hate how the campaign missions are basically low intensity now
ember nest
feels like 5 million with how worthless krak grenades are
I don't understand why ppl took long on the krak penance
calm shard
because kraks are the worst blitz in the game
and usually only kill 1 or 2 things per throw
austere mica
because kraks are the worst blitz in the game
Me when I the brain burst
calm shard
brain burst has kinetic flayer node
that makes it the 2nd worst blitz in the game
kraks have no such luck
austere mica
Kraks can kill bulwarks for free which makes them ok
They kill bulwarks and do boss damage
fast sundial
because kraks are the worst blitz in the game
do you stand by that
past stratus
I sometimes find use with Brain Burst when using flame staff and my team mates are playing with their monitors turned off
fast sundial
never found a use for frags personally
calm shard
shredders are arguably the best blitz in the game
enormous AoE and bleed damage
combine with out for blood for instant full toughness if thrown at trash
smokes are also good
noticably better in havoc
I usually take them over frags in havoc because their utility is extremely valuable
hollow ibex
never found a use for frags personally
This tells me you hardly play vet lol
Because frags have been the vet meta for quite some time
fast sundial
This tells me you hardly play vet lol
i just never thought they do something i'm looking for
waveclear is incredibly whatever and kraks deal with threatening targets
hollow ibex
i just never thought they do something i'm looking for
It’s vets only reliable source of infinite cleave, and surprise surprise it’s very fucking good lol
past stratus
the threatening targets get dealt with easier with any of the good Vet guns
hollow ibex
Shreds mixed hordes
calm shard
the threatening targets get dealt with easier with any of the good Vet guns
or the good vet melees
fast sundial
you can use frags to revive someone
usually when someone is down, the thing that keeps you from reviving them isn't exactly trash, but rather something more sizable
hollow ibex
Frags have strong stagger
past stratus
if you mean Crushers they do get staggered
past stratus
but also helps you kill them since the bleed is quite sizeable
past stratus
Krak is good if you're low level vet with shit weapons and ogryns are the bane of your existence
hollow ibex
true
past stratus
I like to give credit to things that help new players go through the initial struggles of the game
surreal rune
past stratus
I never came around with the las pistol, it feels awful compared to the bistol or Revolver, which I kind of consider run and gun weapons
fast sundial
I never came around with the las pistol, it feels awful compared to the bistol o...
these do not fill the same niche
not really anyway
fading yarrow
Yeah
I just like the feeling of clicking on Elites' and Specialists' heads and having a bajillion rounds
past stratus
idk about niches, they are just guns I use with WS
and the reload node
that's my abstract categorization of them
vague wigeon
I never came around with the las pistol, it feels awful compared to the bistol o...
Laspistol is basically lasgun but smaller
You want to spam-fire into weakspots with it instead of making single shot
past stratus
yeah
honest quiver
best weapon to pair with boltgun? i'm using the power sword but i feel like i might need something quicker.
also, since it's so slow, i should mainly prioritize elites yeah? it's a weird adjustment not killing shooters at range since i'm trying to conserve ammo. am i doing it right?
past stratus
not a fan of that (the laspistol gameplay)
tame lodge
best weapon to pair with boltgun? i'm using the power sword but i feel like i mi...
Rashad
Heavy Sword
Chainsword
honest quiver
i don't really like the chainsword but i'll give heavy sword a shot once i finish power sword mastery
vague wigeon
best weapon to pair with boltgun? i'm using the power sword but i feel like i mi...
Depents on your build, but i'd sat knife
It's very safe and simple weapon
And will compensate lack of mobility with bolter
strange crow
It's very safe and simple weapon
But it requires a ton of points investment
And its horde clear isn't the best
Which is what bolter needs most
calm shard
Chainsword is pretty good for poxxers and the lowers
no literally just poxxers
even bruisers feel pretty insurmountable with chainsword
vague wigeon
But it requires a ton of points investment
Depends, really
On blessings
Imo the only thing you need is serrased blade to not take lacerate
strange crow
Serrated blade 🥀
strange crow
Imo the only thing you need is serrased blade to not take lacerate
You forgot the four bottom right points and the stam regen node, that's at least 5
vague wigeon
Serrated blade 🥀
Yep, it's very good
For this
Mercy killer is basically always active
vague wigeon
Not worth it lol
Absolutely worhths it
Expecially if you are goung right side build
strange crow
Increasing a situational fraction of your damage by a further fraction is not worth it no
vague wigeon
Becuse you don't have other option to ramp damage
You can take lacerate and rending
strange crow
Expecially if you are goung right side build
Why would you be going right side with bolter lmao?
vague wigeon
But it will have lower damage
Because weapon spec
If you go weapon spec you want agile engagement(If you agree to discard survivalist)
And if you go agile engagement - serrated blade is nearby
strange crow
Because weapon spec
Weapon spec on bolter???
Brotha what
And yes serrated blade is nearby but that doesn't mean u have to take it
Basically you're wasting a point and a blessing to do some mediocre extra damage
vague wigeon
Weapon spec on bolter???
Yeah
I mean, the same reason people are using thsi shit with plasma
To cheese reload
unreal nova
I mean, the same reason people are using thsi shit with plasma
Plasma is because the pullout isn't 3 business days.
vague wigeon
Basically you're wasting a point and a blessing to do some mediocre extra damage
Mediocre? Bruh
You are killing crushers with it
strange crow
You are killing crushers with it
That's the uncanny doing the work, and again with bolter you just want horde clear
vague wigeon
That's the uncanny doing the work, and again with bolter you just want horde cle...
Nah, bro, it's uncanny AND mercy killer
I run uncanny with lacerate for grenade build
Alond it's worse than mercy killer
Esp with something like this
I don't remember my build exactly
I remember having shout veriant as well
strange crow
Bro taking duck and dive 💀
vague wigeon
Bro taking duck and dive 💀
What's your problem with this talent?
strange crow
It's not needed unless you're running deadshot
unreal nova
What's your problem with this talent?
It's a deadshot onslaught meme only thing.
strange crow
Alond it's worse than mercy killer
Also why are you taking the MK + serrated combo instead of just superiority complex
vague wigeon
It's a deadshot onslaught meme only thing.
Bruh it's perma-sprinting
Whe everything shoots you at maelstarms
Or perma-blocking
It's fine
vague wigeon
Also why are you taking the MK + serrated combo instead of just superiority comp...
Because you don't need it?
You are doing good with all elites except ogryns
strange crow
Bro it's just better than MK though
vague wigeon
And you already have talent for ogryns
unreal nova
Bruh it's perma-sprinting
You realised I don't even need that to outrun hordes doing an emergency zealot style speedrun, right?
vague wigeon
More consistent damage
Dude it hitting weakspots is inconsistent for you... i dunno
I doubt this is talent's problem
vague wigeon
You realised I don't even need that to outrun hordes doing an emergency zealot s...
Okay, so?
Hm, mindign dude said he's running bolter - it;s possible to drop for the emperor for extra supression talent
unreal nova
Team potato'd and I ended up speedrunning a third of Enclavum on vet. You don't need it. Take more useful stuff.
hearty panther
we need a new gun that can have stripped down + hit and run but that also innately allows you to fire while sprinting
strange crow
Dude it hitting weakspots is inconsistent for you... i dunno
Bro if we're doing character attacks you already said:
- to pair bolter with knife (https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274/1396292676441083984)
- advocated for serrated + MK (https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274/1396294494953017455)
- acted like maelstrom is crazy darktide difficulty
- think duck and dive is good (https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274/1396297722583191564)
- dont think superiority complex is good (https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274/1396297952070340608)
Path would have a field day with all that
unreal nova
Hm, mindign dude said he's running bolter - it;s possible to drop for the empero...
Are you seriously telling people bad info?
strange crow
Also you'd rather choose CQKZ over superiority complex too
unreal nova
Sure, For the Emperor isn't high up, but it's between that or Born Leader. Suppression is just pointless.
vague wigeon
Bro if we're doing character attacks you already said:
- to pair bolter with kn...
Bruh, you have made up half of this.
And some maelstrorms are bullshit atm
vague wigeon
Path would have a field day with all that
Bruh, dude, i've tried half of his shit
It ain't working
The issue is fucking herd opinion
Are aren't knowing what is good
strange crow
Maybe it's not a talent point issue then 💀
unreal nova
Path would have a field day with all that
More like any real vet main is just... why is that guy spreading bad info or his tastes but still not mentioning is just what he likes and absolutely not meta or good?
vague wigeon
And the funniest shit of this all is that i've created some fucking build at 4 am as quckin fucking example
vague wigeon
More like any real vet main is just... why is that guy spreading bad info or his...
Bro, i've seen what makes you cherr
strange crow
Bruh, you have made up half of this.
And some maelstrorms are bullshit atm
Did I make it up lol? I I linked the messages for proof
vague wigeon
Or, to be presice, i've seen what you consdider OP and meta
strange crow
And the funniest shit of this all is that i've created some fucking build at 4 a...
We can tell lol
unreal nova
I play grenadiers.
vague wigeon
Or, to be presice, i've seen what you consdider OP and meta
Which is shit that won't even get you aout of damnation, set aside aurics or havocs
unreal nova
I know path hates my builds because I sacrifice things to take field improv.
vague wigeon
I remember you guys bullshitting me about how OP plasma is
And weapon spec plasma builds
unreal nova
We did say plasma is good and it is.
vague wigeon
Because of these your boos mean nothing
unreal nova
Plasma WS is a more of a funni thing one can do, but the meta with it is FT.
vague wigeon
I gonna go sleep for now
strange crow
Bro if we're doing character attacks you already said:
- to pair bolter with kn...
Oh also let's not forget he advocated for bolter + WS (https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046912126746374274/1396296096229097604)
vague wigeon
Oh also let's not forget he advocated for bolter + WS (https://discordapp.com/ch...
Sighs
If people are bullets
You are either liar
Or dum-dum
strange crow
Shiver me timbers
vague wigeon
Goodnight
past stratus
maybe he means the bistol
unreal nova
I think for sanity, treat like Music 2.0. and not bother.
unreal nova
Like, if my build is that bad, I'm not sure what the dook is he reccomending.
Most of you know my 'nade builds.
strange crow
Bruh, you have made up half of this.
And some maelstrorms are bullshit atm
Says I made stuff up
Gets proven wrong
Refuses to elaborate
Leaves
fading yarrow
Pardon me, can't recall: do grenade kills count as ranged kills?
unreal nova
They are just compromises between melee, 'nades and always grabbing Field Improv. Might run born leader to make sure team goes gold on a shout.
calm shard
They are just compromises between melee, 'nades and always grabbing Field Improv...
more like never grabbing field improv
worlds most mediocre talent
unreal nova
Pardon me, can't recall: do grenade kills count as ranged kills?
Is whatever you have out when it blows.
past stratus
I like field improv it makes my team mates happy
unreal nova
At least in consideration to WS stacks.
fading yarrow
At least in consideration to WS stacks.
How about for Melk contracts?
Should the same logic apply?
unreal nova
How about for Melk contracts?
Never tested tbh. I blitz those too quickly or cba lul.
unreal nova
morale
Like I said, ppl can drop it and born leader to get something else... but I get by with both of them on anyway.
hearty panther
i assume hotshot is still bugged
or whatever that headshot cleave blessing is on helbore
unreal nova
i assume hotshot is still bugged
The cleave is still best using lvl 1 and works on melee, yes.
past stratus
Like I said, ppl can drop it and born leader to get something else... but I get ...
I kind of wish that the support nodes were a bit stronger but I already ranted about it so much
unreal nova
I kind of wish that the support nodes were a bit stronger but I already ranted a...
Stronger or works on yourself as well.
Because who would say no to +15% of the toughness you gain?
Same for covering fire being renamed and just buffing everyone including yourself for a point blank shot.
I will totally do a commissar to proc it.
past stratus
yeah it seems that fs wanted us to have that option
but they were stingy with it
like they always are with vet
unreal nova
Mhm.
past stratus
maybe in the rework
unreal nova
Yeah, maybe.
unreal nova
Sighs.
I know I'm not that good at the game but it's mostly hand eye coordination and reflexes... so physical issues.
unreal nova
not me, I also make dumb decisions on top of that
I just panic and let it carry me.
scenic vapor
man that whole earlier conversation was a hell of a read (i just wanned to say that)
also field improv is peak
past stratus
the other day I jumped down the stairs on the carnival map, the ones that have a bit of a dead end alleyway under it, to dodge a bomber. I thought I was so smart then I got crushed by a wall of bulwarks and maulers with nowhere to run or dodge :)
scenic vapor
the other day I jumped down the stairs on the carnival map, the ones that have a...
evli bulwark spam per usual
unreal nova
AI director hates me and he is not creative about showing it
Creative is 2 trappers and 15 bombers.
Do not ask.
past stratus
Bulwark Trapper line up where the trapper is completely hidden by the shield and protected by it
unreal nova
Yes, both farts and fire.
past stratus
just be Arby and Oggy and walk through it all :)
Arby can even fight inside the fart np
unreal nova
I know. I did a meme arby build you wonder why.... 15% per sec toughness regen and rebreather...
scenic vapor
eh just combine all 3 and u have a completely normal day on atoma prime
unreal nova
You hit anything or doggo be doggo and lul.
past stratus
surely FS will consult GW and realize the rebreather is standard equipmant for the Astra Militarum and Vets will get it as well!
scenic vapor
for sure buddy
austere mica
And still nobody will take it
scenic vapor
how am i suppose to last my 15h deployment when im getting gassed
scenic vapor
id like to die after the designated 15h thank you very much
tame lodge
Character with only one mask has a Rebreather talent
austere mica
how am i suppose to last my 15h deployment when im getting gassed
Just don't breath it? its like that easy
austere mica
austere mica
This induced a physical reaction
Please tell me this is not the shovel you are running
agile radish
crusher die 2 special strong attack
scenic vapor
Just don't breath it? its like that easy
agile radish
dead shot
agile radish
this is gaurdsman build
past stratus
it is better at being an Infantry Lasgun than the Infantry Lasgun
Krieg are guardsman too
scenic vapor
Vastroyans are also guardsmen
austere mica
Guardsman RP'ers being punished by Inflas being a terrible weapon is amazing
past stratus
ye
quick seal
Hi
austere mica
It just feels bad to use
tame lodge
Commissar LARPers with Bistol and Chainswords
scenic vapor
and thay look sick
agile radish
after burn nerf
austere mica
On top of not being great in the first place
tame lodge
💀
unreal nova
Character with only one mask has a Rebreather talent
The one with the cash trenchcoat?
agile radish
all lasgun needs buff
agile radish
mid
tame lodge
unreal nova
Commissar LARPers with Bistol and Chainswords
Rejected, knoife and bistol.
austere mica
Its been one of the best havoc weapons since havoc existed
past stratus
that could be a bit too much
agile radish
what about draw speed
austere mica
And performs well in normal content
agile radish
helbore draw speed fine?
past stratus
that was buffed
austere mica
what about draw speed
.66 seconds with One Motion
past stratus
it is smooth as butter with One Motion
agile radish
good to look but bad to use
austere mica
And you can draw cancel by reloading as soon as you draw then sprint canceling it
scenic vapor
Commissar LARPers with Bistol and Chainswords
i do powersword insted (not helping my case)
tame lodge
I mean
agile radish
hope power sword dodge do more better
tame lodge
It is an acquired taste
past stratus
real
unreal nova
i do powersword insted (not helping my case)
Knoife+bistol.
scenic vapor
Powersword+bistol
past stratus
powersword bistol is kino
scenic vapor
i cannot play knife on any class just dont like it
unreal nova
i cannot play knife on any class just dont like it
Knoife on all, where knoife on lexlexlex?
scenic vapor
just give him all the vet weapons and call him vet 2.0
tame lodge
Knoife on all, where knoife on lexlexlex?
Lore reasons
It's also why ogryns can't have shit
agile radish
remove ILasgun recoil
austere mica
It was dropped during development
unreal nova
Fun>>>Lore.
agile radish
fr
scenic vapor
true we are in the Inquisition and our gear is scavenged anyways so just give us stuff
quick seal
where is ur viking soul fat shark
on vacation, just like they are
unreal nova
Brand image is a big thing to them
You think I don't know? They hate fan stuff since ppl do what they want.
austere mica
stupid swedish dev asses
People in work hell capitalist countries when they see countries that care about their people and provide generous breaks from work
agile radish
i just want some news
austere mica
I love forgetting entire parts of sentences its becoming way too normal
agile radish
or what they doing now
unreal nova
true we are in the Inquisition and our gear is scavenged anyways so just give us...
Why reeeeeeeeeeee at no hellguns.
quick seal
Brand image is a big thing to them
their brand image would be a lot better if this game wasn't filled to the brim with FOMO, expensive-ass aquilas, missing commisary items, servers that are constantly communicating with fatshark backend,
past stratus
devs probably schedule family vacations and shit, let em live a little
agile radish
People in work hell capitalist countries when they see countries that care about...
comunism hell too
austere mica
their brand image would be a lot better if this game wasn't filled to the brim w...
None of those are their fault though
unreal nova
their brand image would be a lot better if this game wasn't filled to the brim w...
Heck, expensive is fine since actually optional, just make sure the service is actually good.
scenic vapor
Why reeeeeeeeeeee at no hellguns.
yeah i want my hellgun and the melta
agile radish
quick seal
None of those are their fault though
the skins thing is definitely GW's fault. I am told that the skins that are already in-game but fatshark refuses to add to the shop (e.g., red arbites trench coat, crucis nightshade camo for the new weapons, artstation armors, etc.), they have to go through some sort of approval process by GW.
Is that accurate? Or is there another explanation of why they're not added
past stratus
GW is extremely throughout with that shit
unreal nova
GW is extremely throughout with that shit
Is why they took away the robo eyes and such.
agile radish
hope frag bomb do more good damage
scenic vapor
guys its a giant reference to 40k where everything need to go through administratum
agile radish
expolod damage is bad
unreal nova
GW notices the accident, it can get bad since unapproved.
past stratus
all I want from FS is space dwarves
agile radish
why GW accepted Ilasgun recoil
unreal nova
Why they took it, had to ask about it, then readd.
past stratus
Is why they took away the robo eyes and such.
most likely but probably also because it was faulty implementation, emperor knows what goes under the hood with cosmetics
unreal nova
why GW accepted Ilasgun recoil
Because that's legimate, ppl did that cos they like the feel of it in canon.
agile radish
unreal nova
most likely but probably also because it was faulty implementation, emperor know...
With how they did the human classes, the most is clipping issues imo.
They reused everything under the clothes.
Is why my lexlexlex looks like my psyker. XD
past stratus
With how they did the human classes, the most is clipping issues imo.
I think they released a post saying that arby will be able to get the cosmetics right? I bet they just had to go through it and see if it was properly implemented and approved by GW
quick seal
Is why they took away the robo eyes and such.
Nahhh no way it was GW's fault. Because arbites come with augmetics on the tabletop models
quick seal
I think they released a post saying that arby will be able to get the cosmetics ...
they re-implemented the augmetic eyes back in the previous patch
scenic vapor
the bionic eye is back tho
scenic vapor
well maby
unreal nova
I think they released a post saying that arby will be able to get the cosmetics ...
They already returned it to the lexlexlex.
scenic vapor
we all know how GW is with thier IP
unreal nova
Nahhh no way it was GW's fault. Because arbites come with augmetics on the table...
Yes, but will STILL require GW to approve it on them.
past stratus
I read somewhere that GW got on their business over a cape decal or some shit like that, a small little emblem in an armor
made their change or remove
shit like that
that's how much they micromanage their IP
quick seal
sure whatever
scenic vapor
man i wanned a 40k tattoo. GW is gonna take my hand away
unreal nova
This is GW, they get serious. Is safer to retract, ask, and return if is approved.
quick seal
i trust your speculation and agree with everything
unreal nova
GW has rejected stuff before. They are as heavy handed as the actual Imperium in things.
past stratus
the other day one of my friends that got into W40k recently found out about the Wacraft/Starcraft thing, and it is always amazing viewing that whole shitshow through the eyes of someone new
not to excuse GW's shit but that stuff is hilariously fucked
past stratus
lots of good opportunities, lots of big media projects
scenic vapor
yeah
unreal nova
the other day one of my friends that got into W40k recently found out about the ...
Heh. It could be big but newp.
unreal nova
Thay are getting a bit more agreeable as for now
More, if you can pay... you can use to their discretion.
scenic vapor
Well Im not gonna defend GW. Just saying what i have noticed
unreal nova
Well Im not gonna defend GW. Just saying what i have noticed
They still hate fanmade stuff, even when it bloody is the reason ppl get into it.
scenic vapor
Thats why we dont have nice things
unreal nova
They want people to pay to use their IP for stuff.
scenic vapor
best u can do is lore videos
everything else just goes
like thay did with astartes
unreal nova
Yep. You wanna make things? $$$
I kinda feel like if they can push their weight more, they might.
scenic vapor
with the rising popularity of the franchise they probably will
honest quiver
what's good with the recon mk VIc?
scenic vapor
Perks, weapons, blessing, talents?
past stratus
I think it is all Dum Dum and Infernus, no?
honest quiver
i'm looking at the VIc and it looks like a straight downgrade from the mk XIV
less ammo, less damage
what am i missing
scenic vapor
I think it is all Dum Dum and Infernus, no?
Headhunter infernus is also good right?
hollow ibex
XIV is the worst mark overall
past stratus
bath man would know
hollow ibex
scenic vapor
unreal nova
with the rising popularity of the franchise they probably will
Funniest bit is first edition was a mixed bag of parodies.
scenic vapor
thats kinda how it was
unreal nova
But now they get mad if ppl use the IP for that.
scenic vapor
Funniest bit is first edition was a mixed bag of parodies.
i came to 40k through fantasy there its even more like that
unreal nova
i came to 40k through fantasy there its even more like that
I know. Heh, throw all the popular stuff in.
honest quiver
Vic has better ammo economy
ty ty, makes much more sense
unreal nova
ty ty, makes much more sense
Basically, the brown mark does 1.5x damage for 2x ammo.
And in havoc, it basically also is single target.
So the cleave you could do is just rubbish.
fair jay
Man I feel like, Helbore weight of fire could be so much better if it lasted long enough to reload before losing stacks
tall torrent
so basically better for non havoc
Nah what it means is that for the short skullcrusher damage windows that u can get in havoc, power sword VI hits harder
scenic vapor
I know. Heh, throw all the popular stuff in.
their first Special Character in the whole series was just a evil Gandalf clone so yeah
quiet valley
XIV is the worst mark overall
What the XIV is the best mark wth
You can Deadshot it for infinite ammo
unreal nova
their first Special Character in the whole series was just a evil Gandalf clone ...
Thus... IDK why they get mad about fanstuff that is completely free.
hollow ibex
You can Deadshot it for infinite ammo
there you go, as if you needed more evidence that XIV is the worst mark lol
unreal nova
I can understand chasing stuff under a paywall or so...
quiet valley
Mk XII and Vlc could never
calm shard
You can Deadshot it for infinite ammo
yeah plus it has funny cleave values
hollow ibex
deadsh🤮t
grand perch
and, y'know, in h40
faint beacon
I was told I can’t have fun in havoc 40……
grand perch
confirmed impossible to have fun
unreal nova
confirmed impossible to have fun
Nu fun, only srsbsn.
hollow ibex
i swear mk3 exterm players are as ammo hungry as rumblergryns
that's 28 ammo tins taken
unreal nova
i swear mk3 exterm players are as ammo hungry as rumblergryns
Duckbill or sniopah shottie?
unreal nova
Though, I forgetti it existi.
unreal nova
But I don't even shoot everything on my recon.
hollow ibex
oh wait
unreal nova
Unless it's EVERY BOSS.
hollow ibex
this guy is using the mk8
that's honestly even worse lol
he must've been firing into poxxers the entire match to only get 70k melee damage
unreal nova
that's honestly even worse lol
I dunno. I use mine like funni revolver.
unreal nova
he must've been firing into poxxers the entire match to only get 70k melee damag...
To be fair, thing pierces.
unreal nova
I know. I shoot through a few walkers to hit trappers.
carmine zealot
he must've been firing into poxxers the entire match to only get 70k melee damag...
But it's fun using the Arbites shock maul in melee.
grand perch
arby bolter spammers are worse
a singular dog that i have already pushed and im about to kill? BETTER BOLTER HIPFIRE SPAM THAT
hearty panther
Plasma Gun is so disappointing.
All this cool functionality and several blessings built around the idea of maintaining certain heat threshholds and building value out of charged shots and none of them fucking matter lmao
Just left click bro
hollow ibex
a singular dog that i have already pushed and im about to kill? BETTER BOLTER HI...
that's any bolter shitter tbh
unreal nova
arby bolter spammers are worse
Bolter whatever do that, then spam I need ammo constantly.
sonic kayak
that's any bolter shitter tbh
Boltgun for mutant killing 
unreal nova
Boltgun for mutant killing <:bigbrain_c:1119977027542450356>
4 bistol shots.
unreal nova
Or, just, melee the thing
Rejected, I shoot, it runs towards target and blep. Funni.
sonic kayak
Rejected, I shoot, it runs towards target and blep. Funni.
wRong answer, I'm afraid 
tacit sonnet
Anyone got a build with exec stance?
I really want to use krak nades, agripinaa shotgun and exec stance
But not sure how to do it best
gaunt hare
what’s the BAG dump stat?
hollow ibex
what about best mark for it?
agri or graia
they really benefit from being run with exec stance tho
gaunt hare
thx
safe kiln
on your toes or .25 stamina regen delay 
honest quiver
i think i made a pretty scuffed build but i'm gonna hope it works out
honest quiver
i may be stupid
(nothing below weapons specialist)
running recon las and power sword 
safe kiln
id drop these two for some nodes along the left side
honest quiver
but muh stam regen 😭
i only took close quarters to get that because it seemed preferable to duck and dive
carmine zealot
really helps with vets horrid stamina
Sometimes I feel the Veteran suffers for being designed as the sniper class, which implies poor mobility and durability. Is it still full damage while sprinting?
honest quiver
id drop these two for some nodes along the left side
drop these for longshot and exhilarating takedown?
hm if i got exhil takedown i'd be dummy stacked on toughness regen
i'll try it out thanks
safe kiln
longshot is worthles
past stratus
the one on the left side that gives weak spot damage is pretty important
spark canopy
i know this isn't a very good show of skill
but damn did i just carry three veterans into another game of heresy they shouldn't have made it
the Bolt Pistol is very good though
Not of utmost ammo efficacy
but damn does it just
pop
honest quiver
longshot is worthles
you said left side and the only ones i can get on the left side are those two (and volley adept)
oh i'm a dumbass
i did say that i may be stupid
safe kiln
Sometimes I feel the Veteran suffers for being designed as the sniper class, whi...
yes
these nodes 
quick burrow
whats the veteran meta these days
safe kiln
shout
tall torrent
whats the veteran meta these days
what mode
safe kiln
grab essential nodes
honest quiver
not much else i can drop
quick burrow
auric i guess? im to scared to havoc
tall torrent
auric i guess? im to scared to havoc
power sword + revolver
hollow ibex
these nodes <:pepela:883967435043131402>
i often don't end up having points for these nodes lol
quick burrow
dang the revolver
honest quiver
same
tall torrent
what about for havoc ?
power sword + helbore
tall torrent
dang the revolver
honest quiver
this is the dumb stupid build now
hollow ibex
precision strikes is good, ammo is basically a tax node in auric oftentimes tbh, and then sup complex is good. but they're not vital like the center tree and right tree are on many builsd
center tree is just straight up mandatory on every build
right tree is important if you plan on meleeing
honest quiver
that's where i'm at right now
i love power sword
so weapons specialist seemed like it would work well with what i'm doing
i do kinda want superiority complex though so i might drop a couple more
hollow ibex
this is the dumb stupid build now
you can drop COD and CK in the middle top
tame lodge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1080231325220487259/1396130652285309048/c...
It's always the frame 1 revolver shots 
honest quiver
you can drop COD and CK in the middle top
yeah i was just thinking that
hollow ibex
you really only need to pick between COD/CK or OM/O4B
honest quiver
yeahhh
safe kiln
I hate the power sword and every time I get tempted to run it again I rediscover why I hate it
hollow ibex
PS takes some adjusting to
honest quiver
i felt the same way at first but now i'm digging it
safe kiln
I do fine with it it just feels like ass to play
honest quiver
just gotta get the combos in
tall torrent
It's always the frame 1 revolver shots <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
it's just that good
I'm learning helbore tho
honest quiver
i've been doing h1 h2 then l3 for hordes because im simpleminded
safe kiln
even with weapon spec its dodges are horrendous
honest quiver
yeah it has a pretty rough dodge profile
tall torrent
learning helbore IV + power sword with weapon spec
honest quiver
makes up for how sick it is
tall torrent
it's not as bad as I thought
safe kiln
helbore prob best off with mmf or focus
honest quiver
mmf for sure on helbore
tall torrent
and MF's design is horrendous
honest quiver
once you lock in to using iron sights you should definitely be hitting weak spots more often than not
hollow ibex
i've come around MMF a bit on certain builds
because tunnel vision + CAB is very funny
honest quiver
i think if i was using it on anything else i'd hate it tbh
tall torrent
I just throw 1 point into WS for how front loaded it is
honest quiver
same that's what i'm doing
hollow ibex
I just throw 1 point into WS for how front loaded it is
share build?
past stratus
I used WS before the buff with the Helbore because of a random guide I saw on the website. You had like 2s to aim and shoot lmao
nowadays it is probably way more comfortable
tall torrent
share build?
it's literally same build as plasma but swap 1 red node to shock trooper
hollow ibex
oh lol
tall torrent
helbore IV dmg is just good off the bat
tall torrent
u don't need to spec a lot of things for it to do 1 taps well
I run maniac unyielding on it now
finished both chainswords' charts
quick burrow
veteran to scary for me im going back to afk bonk
fervent citrus
is the infantry lasgun actually worth it on high diff or what
quick burrow
i think people use recons more so if u wanna las
fervent citrus
dam
the arbities class helped me actually learn the game after so long so now im willing to try my other 4 classes after so long, and i feel like im in multiple noob traps in all 4 classes lol
tall torrent
is the infantry lasgun actually worth it on high diff or what
it's ok, can use multiple buffs
little path
IMO the biggest problem with infantry lasguns is that they're semi auto
quick burrow
i went and got a full auto mod that lets you hold down the mouse, game changer IMO
little path
I use it too
quick burrow
has some kick to it though but its wierd because its graphical rather than moving the curser
little path
I think the only weapons it's useful on are the staffs and infantry lasgun
tacit sonnet
whats the veteran meta these days
you play arbites with castigator
fervent citrus
IMO the biggest problem with infantry lasguns is that they're semi auto
so is the revolver
whats the problem
fervent citrus
i like the pew
little path
revolver fires 6 devastating shots
fervent citrus
but either way i do like the revolver too
little path
infantry lasguns got 40+ rounds and I gotta mash that shit 10 times a second
little path
recon has strong crit potential, full auto, massive magazine
fervent citrus
you couldve said just strong crit potential and i'd get it lol
unreal nova
you play arbites with castigator
EHM, you mean. Lone wulf Casti with wallhaxx.
honest quiver
hey this build is super fun
little path
which build
honest quiver
precision strikes and superiority complex really tied it together
honest quiver
which build
this one i made that's probably sub-optimal and shitty
did well though, just did auric twins
tame lodge
you play arbites with castigator
little path
what are you conflicted on?
@tall torrent Does opening salvo just work on every shot of the infantry lasgun?
fervent citrus
ngl damn near everything, but especially melee choices
little path
conflicted because you have a lot you want to use
or conflicted because a lot seem bad
fervent citrus
the former
im running into what made me burn out of darktide: i suck at choosing stuff
little path
are you looking for just fun weapons or the meta weapons
fervent citrus
either
little path
Fun AND good
fervent citrus
id be down for either extreme or a mix of both
anyway emperor's gift just swooped in and gave me a near perfect chainsword
all 80 except for 60 pen
fervent citrus
oh i was just trying that, but what put me off is it is so slow to swing
though that mgiht be the mark xii
i cant have the mk iv
little path
yeah if you can get to the mk4 that one is the good one
super easy to use
heavy attack for horde clear, light attack to saw into single targets
If you want the meta options you have the Combat axe, dueling sword and Power sword
fervent citrus
POWER SWORD?
little path
Personally I would recommend the dueling sword since it's the easiest to use
fervent citrus
THE POWER SWORD?
little path
ye
fervent citrus
i thought that was a noob trap because its only vanguard attacks
little path
nah, it's good
fervent citrus
axe i guess makes sense, though im rusty on what kind of axes
little path
combat axe is a meta option
fervent citrus
ok i mixed it up with the tac axe
little path
chain axe is fun
only downside about combat axe is you really need a "perfect" one
60 in mobility 80 everything else
fervent citrus
i mean that's not hard
honest quiver
not hard to find one, just need to wait for the shop a few times
little path
mk3 is the meta one
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what's hard is empowering it
fervent citrus
WELL
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if you are resource poor
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space sicne i lack image perms allow me to dm you
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which can happen quite quickly if you are empowering a lot of stuff
i wasted much of my diamantine 😔
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i got a lil present from papa brunt :3
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and i mixed finesse with mobility FU
little path
also if you get one that's like
starting at very low mobility
it can feel super shitty to use
you will feel like a slug when dodging
kinda why I recommend the dueling sword if you just need an easy to use, strong weapon
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and the one i have has the exact combo i want on the axe lol
the one power sword i got has 80s except in cleave
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whats the dump stat on the dueling sword
mine has 60 on mobility, 80 everything else
little path
mobility
little path
no wait
tall torrent
i thought that was a noob trap because its only vanguard attacks
it's like the furthest thing from a noob trap lol
little path
eh I mean low mobility dueling sword is still fine
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dueling sword it is lmao
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whats the dump stat on the dueling sword
which variant
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i have an 80s with 60 mobility recon
red fox
Why is onslaught meme for recon lasgun out of curiosity
little path
Why is onslaught meme for recon lasgun out of curiosity
because it's hard to get to on the talent tree
red fox
ah
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anyway anyway