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Or ask 1-3 others to let you hang and just finish it.
Think yall can do that for me? Just us party up and then go for a run?
I wouldn't mind but I would encourage you to try and get it normally
It will improve your overall gameplay
Come on
it'll improve your situational awareness
no need for cheese to do it, just gotta pay attention more
The CHEESE is the last resort.
When I got mine I didn’t realize I was untouched cuz a rager spooked me, this was before they bypassed toughness so I lived with my hp bar untouched
Ask when you tried so much and just can't deal with it anymore.
dont ragers have some attacks that hit twice and some that only hit once (hence why some rager attacks will deal hp damage)
Yes
I guess I'm just bad then shrugs
Nah I don't think I will lol. Sometimes no matter how careful I am I just get smacked
Like the time two maulers literally spawned behind me
lIke I watched them pop into existence 2 feet from me
scared the hell out of me
You'll eventually get there with enough play time :>
320 hours so far so at least another 320? lol
I mean, just do it on malice.
play like a coward on malice and use VoC a lot
if you are still struggling with it i can help you
^ yeah
For extra cowardice you can use Infiltrate.
gold toughness means you can take any attack without taking hp dam while u have gold tough:>
Unrelated but power sword feels so meh
VoC is safer, gold toughness is just good for it.
Power sword is absolutely goated
My personal choice for Veteran
I guess I need to level it more
It’s the best vet melee overall
Which version is best to use for what purpose?
just use the mk6
Or at the very least, i wouldn't rely on it doing so
because everything else might possibly mess you up afterwards
It does, but it's instant toughness break.
that's what i thought
you'll take no hp dam
but lose all toughness
And on a vet is basically a straight death sentence.
2 random chaff backstab, downed.
just push :>
You are also staggered at that point so you cant push
hellow fellow veterans how do you do
Zealot spotted.
cadia amirite
but yea
power sword is goated
by the way
is there any central veteran guide
Zealot mains leaking.
like ainz has that zealot guide
ogryns have ogrynomicon
do we have anything over here
Poke Path, he procrastinating probably as usual.
yes, tho the first push attack was a crit
it still does on non-crit
^
power sword is great but it absolutely requires power cycler
second blessing is flexible but i highly suggest brutal momentum
beware of powerswords terrible, horrendous mobility
personally i dump cleave targets on power sword
which sounds weird
but honestly
your special has so much cleave
it doesnt really matter
The difference between 60% and 80% is like 1 point 
yea
I don't really know what primaries are good at the moment
I think I played like a year ago or something
They're all servicable in normal gameplay
i mean, we do share some things that make us equal, like a terrible perk tree
What would you recommend for havoc?
i use power sword mk6 / XII recon las
Helbore
Plasma
Recon
Bolter
Zarona revolver
Bolt Pistol
Agripina Combat Shotgun
"b-but muh plasma gun"
SILENCE . . . I WILL NOT USE THE PLASMA GUN...
Quoting Q. Higui
I don't like the plasma gun
I personally all of those in some way
I know. Is more a joke.
This is my personal picks for Recon
Well, it's not bad, but in Havoc, the usage for the Recon is best suited for the fast one the XII
Headhunter is also a valid choice for blessing.
High ROF allows for potential quicker proccing of Infernus, and if you're running it, quick stacking of Onslaught
But I prefer to Dumdum it up
so infernus is still super good
because of the XII's rate of fire
and it pairs well with infernus
Yeah it's pretty nice
Recon is an Infernus machine
Should I be using krak nades or those bleed ones? Or is it mainly just preference
I do like the bleed ones
I heavily prefer Shredder Frags
shredder frags are good most of the time
I say most, because smokes do have their merit
Smokes are mediocre in normal gameplay but have a solid niche in Havoc.
Smokes turn off shooters, prevent dogs from jumping you, make trappers have to run up to you to net you
doesnt it also force flamers forward too
I still run Shredders in Havoc when I play as my Veteran
In normal gameplay you simply do not have enough horde density or incoming fire for it to make much of a difference
But smokes are useful
Survivalist and voc are like a must right
Definitely VoC
Gold toughness is really nice
Survivalist? Yes.
VoC? There are some builds where Executioner Stance is very effective
But Exe Helbore is fun too
Helbore benefits from exe stance heavily
TL;DR use VoC 90% of the time
Infiltrate is a shitpost
It fucks with flamers too, yes
infiltrate is worse zealot stealth
Just tested it
and Exe. Stance is good for specific builds like Helbore Gaming™
Infiltrate is my favorite. Is it the best? Fuck no, but I like it
Bombers will still chuck nades at you
Otherwise, smoke can be very useful and it's what I personally run in Havoc
those are like
Yeah same, if I'm running Recon, just doing Onslaught/keystoneless
the purple ones right
yeah at the very bottom
I run exe if we have a book zealot, but VoC when we dont
like weapon specialist
I'm not gonna necessarily be killing armor with magdumping but it's a good debuff stick
if i was to use plasma gun i would use weapon specialist
Are the keystones bad? Or are is it just better to have the other talents
If you're running the Recon, they don't really do much for it
Otherwise preference IMO; I personally run Focus Target
I don't mind spotting because I used to play a lot of Battlefield, you win when you spot lol
Yuh
Aye
Oh yea I got the torso on that one
No
I use it with a commissar cap and bam
The Recon just doesn't get much value from the keystones
Oh
it probably gets the most value from mark target
So it's better to just invest in stuff like Trench Fighter or Rending Strikes
(You should be taking Trench Fighter Drill regardless.)
its finesse multiplier isnt great so marksmen focus doesn't benefit it much, nor does it benefit much from weapon specs free crit and partial reloading
In Havoc, we run the Recon because it's a debuff stick, which applies burning (Infernus), Onslaught (Brittleness on demand), and the perks + dumdum (iirc) on the gun boost your DoTs
With those things on the table, you just don't get anything more out of keystones
Pants are the only piece actually labeled 153rd tanker
this
After completing a Zealot build and seeing the talent tree I realized we actually have it pretty good over here

I always say Vet is the hybrid class
The problem is the tree takes forever to start cooking
Also these are my personal curio picks.
At this point, Ogryn, Arbites, or Psyker
UGHGHH I ALMOST CLEARED WITH NO MELEE DAMAGE TAKEN
I am seeing an absurd amount of arbites
You can do +toughness instead of sprint eff.
Two idiots got trapped and I get bursted.
They do a lot of things without much effort (comparatively), they have good flexibility in their trees and kit,
Gunner res is practically a must-have.
At least two of them
Yeah I have 3 gunner res on mine I think
how did you enjoy getting shoehorned into pretty much one build with small variations 
and i like to have CAR for VoC spam
but yeah thats what i use for my hav40 veteran
But tbh, if I'm doing a H40, I'd still prefer the original 4 over an Arby 
For all of the fun stuff in Arby's kit, there is nothing that makes me yearn for it when it's gone
hoping it's just because they're new and people are trying them out
SO MUCH OF THAT TREE IS ABYSMAL
Nuncio is nice to have, but I'd rather have a bubble
AT LEAST WE HAVE FUNCTIONING AURAS
I've been in alot of queues where it's just me as a vet and 3 other arbites
Nuncio, smokes, bubble 
The most mileage out of an Arby that I've seen has been from Nuncio + mines
if vet gets reworked i hope they don't try to retool the class as a hardcore ranged class
That would genuinely be the death of Vet tbh
i would prefer vet to be the jack of all trades it currently stands as
Honestly, most would agree all vet needs is buffs to bad nodes and a trimmed down and more open tree.
I forgot to answer but
Arbites.
Mostly due to a bug though
(dog bleed)
Just give some of the small stat nodes to base vet and remove them off the tree.
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Also the Arbites Shock Maul is fucking absurd
I probably would play arbites if literally every other player wasn't playing them
Arbitrator has a lot of powerful weapon choices and a very solid talent tree
is the vet shotgun even that good..
Agri, yes
yes
Slug round go brrr
But I just didn't know if they were good for vet
The Agri is silly
Yesh, just had my worst auric HISTG in a while
I'm guessing it's not very good for havoc though?
It's solid
I've not played around with it enough but I imagine it would be fine
i usually see recon or plasma on veterans in havoc and i myself use the former
so
I still think vet could have some better cosmetics tho..
dodged into a sniper shot meant for my arbie teammate. Got knocked into three poxbursters. Outright fucked up krak grenading a crusher, dodged into a piece of terrain
I really don't like some of these helmets
Better than Zealot and Psy IMO
i got this helmet at launch and i have worn it since
Well, killed that crusher and three others with one krak. Worth it I guess
I would agree but I REALLY like some psyker and zealot accessories more than vet
Like one of the ones that zealot has in store right now
Like the full helmet with the gasmask
I really like that one
Yeah, bought that immediately
Vet has decent choice of fits now. Needs more full or eye covered helm though, imho
But the pysker set of that one is so cool
I 100% agree
I really want like a proper kasrkin helmet
I NEED THIS
Thats what every Vet wants
🙏
Surely they've thought about adding it
There's no way they haven't
It has to come out at some point
AND POWER FISTS
(I'm delusional)
GIVE MY VET POWER FISTS
(FatShark doesn't know how to add visors on a helmet)
I honestly just think they want us to make use of the character customization instead of completely hiding the characters face under a helmet
But
I don't wanna do that
And they've already done it
Just give me my beautiful helmet..
I want my soldier man to have a closed helmet
💔
Soldier man gets a closed helmet
The biggest blueball in this game was when they added the Moebian 6th armor without a closed helmet, just the balaclava + rebreather

oh thats solid
i just wear the armageddon helm with infiltrator armor and pants
have not found anything that justifies opening my wallet
I have a reaaally basic fit on my vet right now, just the penance helmet with the goggles and this one armor I forgot the name of but it's blue and free
Honestly I do have the paid currency already
But im just blindly waiting
The Moebian armor?
I don't think so
It's like the uhhh
The one in like the game opening
The mask and the circular goggles
With the helmet
Oh the Moebian 21st armor
Yeah I think so
That helmet will come soon.. I just know it
Yeah kinda like that but it has like a leather looking helmet
I started playing 5 days after they gave the moebian 21st armor away 
Yeah that one
its a penance armor
That's the one I have
I would wear the other penance helmet but I like the goggles on this one
I desperately need this though
I'm really surprised they haven't added it yet
I like this
I'm trying to find the right class for me, i play alot of payday 2 and in vermintide 2 i played kruber. Would vet seem like the right pick?
i tried psyker but it just wasnt for me
what class of kruber?
shout vet is like merc kruber
with better ranged abilities
foot knight is better served with arbites break the line
ranger kruber is most similar to vet overall if you go infiltrate, but ranger kruber is more ranged focused and infiltrate vet is usually more melee focused
its been so long since ive played it, but i maxed out the base one for him
and executioner stance is ranged vet
yeah i think merc, he had the shouting ability
is it any good in darktide?
the only dude i saw was like invisble and runnign around with a knife
Shout is the strongest vet ability
god i wish this was in the game
let me be even more faceless and expendable
Is this the gloamis camo?
Nox Defiant
Which is gloamis, yes
what about the others?
and um, how should i playing this dude?
I'm just quoting how FatShark describes it; It's all "Moebian 6th camo" to me 
I'd love for more of that camo on other weapons though
Gotta show our respect to the honored martyrs who stayed loyal until the end
lol.
Ranged and melee hybrid
Fair warning tho. Vet isn’t meta rn
Could go mostly ranged on lower diffs, but it's a bad habit. Better to learn how to melee or at least get used to powersword.
i assume its similar to vermitide
hit, dodge, hit, dodge, push when grouped up and block when in a corner?
i dont really go for metas, but im guessing its the new dude
fuckin' A I need to check my cosmetics more
Yep. More or less.
Yeah just remember you can slide
to dodge ranged right?
Is this not most classes?
which helbores are good again
mk iii or mk iv
thnx
P sure I use iii
build for?
like an example build?
yes pls
here's my build I use for havoc https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/flexible-helbore-grenadier-havoc
tyty
Eldar always lie
yes though the #1 mistake i see most new vet players make is just blasting away all match without ever touching their melee
I've always dumped Ammo on my Helbore, just haven't needed that much ever
i cant word this without sounding a little rude sorry, but what actually makes vet better than anyone else is its repected catagory. Im looking for a jack of trades master of none type deal here kruber-like yoy could say
so are you asking for like a playstyle for vet?
well nothing really, vet's kinda weak 
but he does get good weapon variety
so can do a bit of everything
vet's been totally buttfucked by the powercreep in the game
Needs a tree rework
Needs some perks to be combined together
Too many things to pick on vet's tree not enough points to pick them all with
And yet when you gotta hard carry as vet... Time for PTSD moments.
i wasnt huge on the psyker when playing them, i dont own the arbites, the orgryn doesnt really intrest me lmao. So its between this dude and zealot. I dunno what zealot does and this dude did look fun
i played with some guy ages ago who had some invisible knife assassin build and it looked funny
Thoughts on this meme build ?
I'm maybe thinking of swapping infiltrate for the one on the left
You want a meme build? Try bleed shovel 
hey now bleed shovel is fun
I know, I have one 
throw in shredders with bolt pistol and lethal proximity, it's hilarious
U had my interest at shovel
make sure you use shredders + grenade tinkerer when you do bolt pistol with lethal proximity
because shredders does work with lethal proximity and it's awesome
I* was running shovel revolver combo the other day
Now do it with Serrated 
Mk3 funni.
Bit of fun especially the shovel
He told me of the funni that you put him onto; gonna try it properly
Ppl didn't believe the nonsense till i showed him, lmao.
Well, he did give you credit for what it's worth lol
I'm tired of my Vet builds ATM so going for a new rotation of gear
Mk7 superiority 
Although trying solo with it id rather do mk1 for rager staggers
7 is dook. 1 or 3.
I been playing rdr2 mainly but played a few games last night nice break from doot tide
zealot can play literally 100% melee and suffer nothing for it
hybrid playstyle is much more strongly encouraged for vet
I wish I could break free 
I'm allready upto the 3rd camp 
Folding stuck? Just play better and kill your target and quickswap 
tbf the 3's folding is much faster and fluid
Vs awkward h2 strikedown
plus the lights are nicer
Is really why I said, 1 or 3. You go more into horde CC or more towards nuking crushers with okay horde.
I like the last shovel and the second
7 just halfarses everything.
The ones w the folding animation
i think ill stick to this due for now, when you say not good, do you mean bad or not as good as the others?
it's the 5th strongest class in the game 
I generally don't touch the shovel, but wanted to do something super outlandish that I haven't tried, so settled on the mk 1 + AoN; Now I'm gonna try the 3
Vet desperately needs re working
We need way less tax nodes
yeah, I wish vet tree was more efficient with its nodes
7 have harder fold attack and strikedown on push 
Yeah. I mean, what else is there but playing with another thing... Heh.
Nope. Doesn't meet any new breakpoints with said fold attack and too slow to bother.
I'm curious, I keep seeing more guns like the plasma gun using damage against unarmored perks
Why is that?
Aren't the only enemies with unarmored like, trash mobs or?
to hit breakpoints (e.g., one shot)
against certain enemies
dreg faction is mostly unarmoured
if it's unarmored, it's prob bruisers or gunners
Like the helbore build above had maniacs which I get, but also unarmored which surprised me
I've always had flak and maniac
unarmoured is to one-shot dreg gunners
What about flak armored gunners?
I still find myself able to one-shot flak gunners
You either 1 shot with thrust or 2 shot with Deci/Skullcrush.
I still have not tried the hellbore out
i highly recommend it
I'm not the most accurate
the improved draw time alone fixed the biggest issue I had with it. they also made its hitbox more forgiving
This is assuming build that doesn't focus on weakpoint and that oggy/boss damage.
Oh they have actually been changing it lately?
i mean I've used that build on havoc 30's and 40 and I got along just fine against bosses and oggys
Muh uncanny 
Not a fan of thrust shovel
I've used the Helbore since beta and always loved it
Gonna try swapping out the Flak for unarmored tho
Still using weight of fire for faster charge times
It just feels like worrse than plasma gun
Gonna try armour bane
yeah weight of fire is good
i like armour bane because the brittlness comes in very useful against bosses and ogryns
See, plasma gun feels like worse helbore to me
Haha I can see how that would happen
I've always run with 60% ammo with helbore and still run out of ammo faster with the plasma
I like the plasma tho don't get me wrong
Don't need it when mk 3 2 shots anyway with or without. Having decimator helps more with hordes.
I just have had a death korps bias since day one
I heard people dump stability for hellbore
I mean there are times I've never picked up ammo tins with the helbore 
You reckon ammo is better to dump?
I heard that too, maybe its more viable after the buffs but I never liked dumping stability personally
Nuild?
Deci sc + perks? 
I mean with dumping stability, the fire rate is so slow I don't think you'll feel the effects
I think if you manage your ammo, land your shots, and be sure to always be grabbing the small ammo packs, I've never had ammo problems with the helbore
I forgot. I need to get on. Though I'm fairly certain it was stupid.
Deci is a bit awkward with ws tho, did you run ft?
yeah, I never have ammo problems on my helbore build
I think I showed papa... But he isn't on so sec, booting game.
I guess also its that perk that gives free ammo for crits
Talents don't matter. I showed it on both my nadier and recon build.
Las weapon crits or something iirc
I never run FT. It's WS or Keystoneless.
Granted I usually play on Heresy or lower. I have beaten the Karnak twins on damnation with my helbore and my shovel tho
Vet shouldn't be able to work without a keystone yet here he is 
This is mostly auric tbh. Since we all know breakpoints in H40 is pointless.
I have a recon build w no keystone too 
who needs keystones when you have shredders
I beat the karnak twins back when Damnation was as high as the difficulty went
Karnak twins remind me of a wow raid
Lil bit, they were and are fun in my opinion
I enjoy fighting em
The shovel in question.
It was a real rush playing them and beating them on damnation the first time and getting the little icon you can put by your profile pic
Same that was cool
Heck yeah
There's my shovel ❤️
It hasn't let me down yet idk what the meta is anymore or anything
Real nice to flip it and one tap maulers in the head tho with a charged swing
Is this one of the folding ones?
Yeah
(I'm bad w my patterns)
Same
Gotta be on the game to know what people are talking about 
I liked this one cuz both the heavy swings on it are horizontal and good for knocking down crowds
Then I can flip it for overhead strikes on maulers and ragers
Deci/Skull+Flak Cara. 2 shots crushers as long as you hit the head.
I like the crowd control one the most aswell
Also does in maulers the same way if you hit the head on purpose.
For builds. I think I shared my recon and 'nadier builds.
Doesn't matter, 2 fold attacks.
Same as with uncanny so... Shrugs.
I need to make a gameslantern account so I don't have to keep redoing my builds when someone asks for one 
So frustrating
I mean, I can stream it if anyone wants to see, but yeah.
Yeah I wouldn't mind having a look
It's abit slower since I have been messing with skirmisher for 'nades... But
Well, Party 1... Though can't be on for long. Going out at 11am so... heh.
Ahh im unable to talk rn im nit home ,do you have pics of the builds in question by chance?
It's any builds.
Seriously.
Talentless might be the same.
Or not.
I'll try that now.
Since more loadouts.
Yeah.
2 shots.
0 talents.
So, it doesn't matter as long as you hit the head with 2 fold attacks.
I have confused the heck out of myself 
Unga bunga translation time.

Oooohhh
Ded crusher.
But yeah, the shovel in question.
Basically bog standard perks, deci skull.
You can dump def or mobility, won't change a thing.
I dumped Def on my one I think I have same blessings
Either way, aim for heads and it'll 2 hit.
It's great to find out that build changes nothing as well, lmao.
With the state vets in rn I'm honestly not surprised at all 
0 talents with only volley fire, still 2 hits. XD
On that funni recon build with weakspot damage, shooty crusher onslaugh(not much but STILL) and boss/oggy more damage and more elite damage, 2 hits.
IDK. Maybe vet nodes don't work or summthing?
I even shouted and tried.
No change.
Fatshark and there secrets 
Since you know, i run For the Emperor.
I can't stress enough how much I'm looking forward to when they redo the vet and zealot trees
Same
Iv heard we wont be getting any new classes for the next year so I'm hoping they redo vet zealot and psyker trees like they redone oggy
How's the Devil's Claw sword?
I been branching out from the power sword and shovel and trying other weapons on vet
bad
sad
adm?
armor damage multiplier
Sad state. It needs decent Flak and Cara damage. Not even good, just decent.
Awesome Deadly Missive
Obese Megalodon and their hate or just sheer ignoring of vets.
It's fun cos your playing darksouls but in dt 
But it's not very good
But yeah, this is why for shovels, uncanny only if bleed memes. IDK if deci works with bleed but no time to test atm.
I can just swap out my mercykiller knoife to test it.
I'm assuming bleed meme build would take the bleed on melee hits too or am I thinking of the zealot tree lmao
But the shovel I showed basically 2 fold crushers and maulers in the hed.
Thank ya sah!
Before bleed.
Might swap the combat blade for shovel
Bleed might make hordes easier.
As in that build, lul.
Lord I hate ragers when they hit me from 3 feet away behind a hord of trash mobs
Knife is going to be stronger because it has bleed blessings and gonna be real. Shovels are kinda ass rn
But it’ll prob be workable
Mercykiller is a meme though.
imagine if they make serrated blade accessible
yeah i run lacerate
in due time for ANOTHER vet tree rework
Funni. Much memes.
Bleed PS? Well, if you want for whatever reason.
mercy killer would actually be good
:)
I already run it on build 4. Is why I can test it with deci if I'm not out.
Yes, I have 2 knoifes. One runs lacerate, one mercykiller.
Both uncanny.
What blessings and perks for shovel?
Which mark. Mk3 skullcrusher deci flak cara.
Mk3 nice ty
Is 2 heavy fold atks to head to kill.
Crushers/maulers.
Just don't hit unyielding with it.
Use your gun instead.
I have tested and all specials except maybe muties (my accuracy sucks so test that yourself) get bonked in a hit. Ragers is 2 hit cos no maniac though.
If you crit, scab ragers die in 1.
I leveled the shovel but I never gave it a real shot at more difficult content
I always though it had really good stagger but lacked actual damage on hordes
actually in damnation i'm hitting a wall now where it feels like it just can't kill hordes fast enough
I don't like how defenceless PS feels but you can cleave the hrode off of you in a bad situation, the shovel can't reduce, only delay imo
Why deci vs uncanny.
Deci is better for hordes.
Still 2 fold heavy for crushers so...
More value.
Skullcrusher is just a must.
That's why the PS is such a good weapon for Vet atm even if it lacks on mobility and safety. It cuts down hordes easily
At least for mk3.
yeah I should try other blessings and see how it goes. Give it a real try and see if I like it
Yeah. Might find something nicer.
what blessings/perks are yall generally going for on agrapina shotty?
I wish we had more options for melee, most of Vets weapons seem to do really poorly against one type of armor, so you always have to pick really careful what you want.
I should mention tests were done starting with 0 stacks of deci.
I'm too inaccurate to try for it at max.
I don't think 1 hit will happen though.
I wish Heavy Sword wasn't wet noodle against carapace 😭
Any melee that sucks at armoured are basically worthless at high lvl play for most parts.
the Power Sword does well, I can fight off Crushers and Maulers with it if I'm in a tight spot where pulling my gun is a bad idea
or I don't have grenades
i wonder how much better a weapon could be while sucking at armour before it becomes usable
Very little. You get 14 crusher waves often enough.
no i mean like
And they have more hp than usual.
You need to kill them quickly or you risk ppl dying to overheads.
Unless aurics, then anything goes. Just bring a gun to deal with armour.
"how many different buffs could you pile onto a weapon while keeping it bad at killing armour" ie - could a heavy sword with the knife speed profile (dodges, sprint, etc) and shred+decimator+wrath+skullcrusher+ etc etc etc be "usable" even if at that point it still did kinda bad for carapace damage
With vet, gl. I tried some things even with that fold shovel and couldn't speed up folded shovel kills.
You probably need to toss 75% of blessings on it.
Excluding specific weapon mechanics related ones.
yea
i do flak/cara, full bore no respite
And all forms of uncanny.
could be fun with the loadout mod or something if it could be coerced into doing it
the only weapon I can think of that can somewhat reliably kill big monsters like that is the Duelist Sword
Actually im not so good with managing scab ragers and maulers with the PS. With shovel i can nearly one shot with the special action but im not used to the single target combo of PS yet
Maulers are pretty manageable if you have space to dodge the overhead, ragers of all type depend on if you have something to stagger them with
is there a good guide for vet like the Ogrynomicon?
second pin
it's mostly still up to date
updated version to be released on steam
soon tm
the guardsman's survival guide?
the other guides in the pin can be ignored
no offense but this is a little..... dry? ig?
I kind of expected like, tips and tricks and how to's but this mostly seems to be stat analyses
Pester Path for Steam one faster. Also, vets are number crazy as a stereotype.
yeah it's a bit of a different style
less commentary, more just facts
yeah :(
idk im not good at reading analytical stuff
but you should be able to find whatever info you need
i'll look at it tho
the upcoming soon tm steam guide should have more commentary
Or you can ask if you need further info here.
could you ping me when that happens
okay
well, at what point should I, as a helbore sniper vet, engage in melee?
also is suppression worth it with a single shot weapon
i assume no right
When things are just too close to shoot specials/elites "safely". Safe degree depends on difficulty. In uprising, just can just dodge and pew.
on auric
and also i assume hang back as much as possible
Depends on gun. Some will save someone by staggering or freaking things out so less bullets coming your way. Some guns, it's just pointless.
Or a negative if you can't reposition to shoot again.
also what is good positioning with helbore, like near cover I presume?
Not so far back you are out of coherency to anyone. You will likely die alone then.
Unless you trust yourself in a defensible spot.
which leads into this question
Cover is nice, but you can still be shot. Keep an eye on jumpscare doors as well.
anyone have any strats for the veteran penance of not getting melee'd
VoC and getting good. Otherwise, asking/begging for help to cheese by hanging at the start and having the other(s) run through with you in rescue.
makes sense
i could try hugging the wall so that I have to keep track of fewer direcitons
on overwatch seems a bit rough right now haha. because it's any melee and boom restart
Only if melee hp damage.
Getting hit while at 100% or gold toughness is fine.
so it needs to hit hp? toughness is ok?
Basically, you still want to be closer to mid range, if a teammate needs to help you, you don't want to be in the last room.
and then with some situational awareness, it's actually a pretty easy penance
Yep.
alright, feels a bit more doable. i was running infiltrate vet
Just worry about overheads and ragers.
Ragers care not about toughness. They hit through.
Dogs and muties are bad. Pounce and grab slams are melee.
Muties can be partially avoided by staying near walls.
hmm alright, for me i've noticed the most random ad gets a melee on me when i'm focused on being shot from range
The throw is okay.
That's how they sneak up.
And if you are being shot, you don't have 100% toughness.
yup
That's why gold toughness shout will help.
Some prefer infil to reposition if being shot in the first place.
I can't tell you which since I know ppl who use either for it.
i like infil for the potential single target damage
But for that run, safety is more important than damage.
If you know a boss has spawned, pull melee and prepare to dodge and block.
Because they will mess you over hard.
Instant toughness breaks to just grabs.
And you don't know if your teammates know to go and help you.
Or use ranged strong staggers/stuns
that makes sense, i'll do that
Go near CSpawn if they grab someone, just back dodge immediately. Will stop them from being eaten and heal the spawn.
Pubs are a hit or miss with that knowledge tbh.
infiltrate is very bad
It can work. That's the point. If someone wants to use it to do it, their choice.
their loss
I'll only stare if they try with Exe Stance.
Exe stance sniper build micro management
Infiltrate comes with free grenadier and is therefore extremely based 
Exe stance on overwatch... wait, GF did it with volley fire shovel only.
At lvl 3.
Path probably solo nerd
im gonna cry
If you also super nerd, he will. If not, he’ll make point prove you wrong use
Since he is turbonerd
i think im some kind of nerd idk
Tax this tax that
yeah that kinda sounds like me
Naw. You never seen Path being riled up.
I go by feels, he'll kill you by formulas and numbers.
See
He will bring rocket science in video game
And you’re not rocket science like him
Have you seen the new charts he's doing?
no
Unless you are colourblind, he got it.
Cos the only worry is ppl not being able to see it.
Path devote to this video game guide stuff
there’s zero chill guide maker
Ainz is least softer than old zealot guide maker
They were banned anyway
zealot chatters are innocent and kind
Ainz is nice. Most you'll get is him popping in after you offered to help someone. XD Then you are confused why you are even there.
I got moody on Darktide again
Path didn’t like me last time I remembered
My impression as psyker failed him in pox gas modifier
Is only like 2 down and he see I’m not good player
I say it’s a bad luck today
I got overthinking people don’t like me because certain thing
He tell me i refused to improve myself, by taking his guide. I refuse taking offer guide help
I mean, he just reeeeeeeeeeee at my builds since I fail breakpoints to take things like Field Inprov.
I really want gamer get creativity without need training wheel play
But most people are on training wheel anyway
This actually good https://youtu.be/g9nBh7uT7Ug
Skill demand btw
And micromanage melee enemies around you
yeah always gotta do that
I implied a question mark but I didn't have a question mark
mb
Veteran can probably not worry so much about melee as psyker does
being the class with toughness management all over
I do like my thunder psyker though, just not great at the melee
Hey, I run melee psyker and I don’t worry melee enemies except shooter out of my reach.
you're cool
i am more of a kill everything in a moderate distance psyker but I have personal space issues
i wish I could do both
Yeah my melee using Deimos will be issue for melee
But melee psyker is fgs one
deimos can do the dance even without really focusing on melee for psyker
Which why I got issue with out of reach enemy
what was that one talent blessing
For Deimos I don’t want on it
it refilled your dodges on successful dodge
Empathic evasion
weapon blessing rather
yeah the duelling sword
that's super popular, I can see why
ah right hit and dodge
untouchable
that would be a welcome addition
It require hitting enemy
true, but then they can't hit u
I suppose ranged does get more of a problem as you go up in diff lol
But gunner suppressing
though if you go up in diff you probably have better guys on melee too
Gunner and you lock in melee then you gotta back out
can specialise a bit more without worry
Yeah I feel like that's the nice level of friction at this point
heresy is like normal mode
when you've got all established in a build
open area lock on melee and gunner shotgunner near you, agile can assist little but you still taking damage
pretty cool
Dance to death

Sprint slide with good timing works.
I tried, still get shot while sliding.
Feel like I’m tall ass Soyker
Running towards ranged enemy is all i do as a Bolter vet
I can't waste my ammo on small fry
What is dump stat on plasma
you know how to save it for the big fuckers
that's a good question
never used em I could give the plasma a try
@tired egret
Ugh it's still that shit bro
It's been like a fucking year or so since I tried using plasma I thought it'd be changed by now.
Okay other than 69 thermal 71 charge
lets say I just wanna grab an 80/60 for the time being because those are easier to find than a 69 thermal 71 charge..
Dump charge
68 thermal 72 charge rate is minmax.
Dump thermal imo.
You lose 1 chain shot.
I'd rather have that extra shot than slightly faster shots
Okay cool because 100k at brunt all I got was a 60 thermal
Well brunt decided I was getting 60 thermal
Brunt aint there
Honestly, it depends if you are okay with the delay and can make use of the extra shot.
I hope you can live with yourself when the entire team wipes because you were able to shoot one time less /s
You usually won't shoot 8 times in a row generally.
In high level havoc I really doubt I'll have the opprotunity to shoot 8 times in a row yeah
you know with the oops all gazillion fucking bosses
But a quicker shot may save you from a trapper.
Has this armor even came back since it was first sold lol
The enforcer armor is so nice
literally came back like a month ago
Lol that's cool
i just bought the helmet, and put it with the yellow trenchcoat
looks goofy af i love it
Top right
Ah the original one
I would honestly support darktide a lot more if they bloody changed the shop there's stuff i actually would get
yea
even with like major orders and stuff imo
shit's fun, and it gets the community kinda riled up and together
I've been waiting for the scion fit forever 😭
i want that helmet so bad
don't rub it in bro
You can't make a scion fit
until they release the scion armor that has been in the game
for like a year
I have it too 
Got it for aquilas i got from buying the mortis bundle
I really wish Aquilas had some way of being earned
it's hard to tell Helldiver friends like oh yea game gives you fuck all, swipe
Thank Tencect for being yellow assed on being stingy
Is this tencent?
They own Fatshark
c'mon man im at work i can't get erect
this set is not obtainable
well the chest is
Don’t; imagine spending real life money on digital pixels that do not do anything substantial in-game; just buy a new game or better yet; save it for future
I found a pair of legs that match this chest really well
I mean not counting the legs that literally come WITH the set.
Lemme find it
man trying to build this tree after playing arbites so much feels painful
Cause Its overtuned
it really isnt any more overtuned the newgryn
I tell you what's REALLY painful
im talking more about interesting talents to tax nodes ratio
the chimps running the Darktide commodore store
We're gonna give you this cool Karst camo backpack
But we're not going to ever release any of the Karst camo outfits.
anyone else remember prerelease blogs where fatshark flexed that they have a new shiny material system that allows them to easily modify assets on the ago allowing for very flexible customization?
anyone else thought that'd mean we'd get it player side?
yeah.
and its not like it got cut because for the drip actively utilizes this
its the whole premise of the mod
What mod lol
you load material, colour and pattern presets onto the model and voila
its called for the drip
Oh yeah that
I don't use that anymore, haven't for years
updating mods manually is annoying
me neither but the point stand
I got ur point
the system is there but the monetization design of this game is actively working against it
imagine if we could buy like shaders in destiny
but permanent
buy cadian set once, then buy 'paint pots' and do it yourself
shit look at SM2
Warhammer game devs try not to make the stupidest fucking game decisions possible challenge. (IMPOSSIBLE)
its not perfect but i have tons more fun from just being able to paint my own stuff there lol
make warhammer game
bad character customization
the whole premise of the ip is to paint toysoldiers an have them fight lol
eh we're in the golden era anyway
Have you seen the new Space Marine 2 cosmetic dlc lol
White Scars Champion outfit for Assault Marine
yeah i like it very much
None of the White Scars champion weapon skins can be used on assault marine
i somehow suspect saber is all hands on deck for SM3 and the fact we're getting a year 2 is just courtesy on their side
No yeah them annoucing SM3 before even getting halfway through SM2 content
was a fucking joke
not really
Wym not really
its not really a joke
they released SM2, game overperformed expectations vastly, calls were made, project started
sm3 is at least 5 to 6 years away
my point is that its nothing surprising
in fact i'[d rather now they're making a sequel to a succesful game than not especially since it was like 10 years between sm1 and 2
Oh
I can see what this weeks new darktide shop rotation will be
Neat
It's a recolor
for vet atleast
Veteran is getting a recolor that doesn't even match
Yea
How bad is it?
Sure? But I’m in Japan rn
Can talk about it after I return from vacation
Me wanna Nippon
Where?
Now I want some red velvet cake with white choco
As in, which region. Heh.
Any tips on the marksman focus kills penance?
Mercantile after asking someone to help, farm the kitchen with crouch stacks and melee.
If it's left keystone.
Takes about 30-45 mins of keep swinging or a turbo controller.

