#veteran-class

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long dove
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If I get the Overwatch Penance I'll complete 3 Penances at once

unreal nova
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Or ask 1-3 others to let you hang and just finish it.

long dove
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Think yall can do that for me? Just us party up and then go for a run?

midnight totem
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I wouldn't mind but I would encourage you to try and get it normally

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It will improve your overall gameplay

long dove
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Come on

safe kiln
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it'll improve your situational awareness

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no need for cheese to do it, just gotta pay attention more

long dove
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I know but when I literally have a BS moment it's just

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ugh

unreal nova
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The CHEESE is the last resort.

inland orchid
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When I got mine I didn’t realize I was untouched cuz a rager spooked me, this was before they bypassed toughness so I lived with my hp bar untouched

unreal nova
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Ask when you tried so much and just can't deal with it anymore.

safe kiln
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dont ragers have some attacks that hit twice and some that only hit once (hence why some rager attacks will deal hp damage)

midnight totem
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Yes

long dove
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I guess I'm just bad then shrugs

midnight totem
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Don't be so dramatic lol

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You'll get it

long dove
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Nah I don't think I will lol. Sometimes no matter how careful I am I just get smacked

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Like the time two maulers literally spawned behind me

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lIke I watched them pop into existence 2 feet from me

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scared the hell out of me

safe kiln
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You'll eventually get there with enough play time :>

long dove
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320 hours so far so at least another 320? lol

unreal nova
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I mean, just do it on malice.

abstract sand
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play like a coward on malice and use VoC a lot

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if you are still struggling with it i can help you

sudden cedar
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Toughness stacking will also help

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Because only Health damage counts

abstract sand
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^ yeah

sudden cedar
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For extra cowardice you can use Infiltrate.

abstract sand
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nah

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definitely use voc for it

safe kiln
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gold toughness means you can take any attack without taking hp dam while u have gold tough:>

long dove
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Unrelated but power sword feels so meh

unreal nova
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VoC is safer, gold toughness is just good for it.

abstract sand
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My personal choice for Veteran

long dove
hollow ibex
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It’s the best vet melee overall

abstract sand
long dove
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Which version is best to use for what purpose?

sudden cedar
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Not any attack

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A poxburster or a sniper might still mess you up

abstract sand
safe kiln
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gold toughness blocks everything no?

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even crusher overheads

abstract sand
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i just play keystoneless

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because im a psychopath

sudden cedar
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Or at the very least, i wouldn't rely on it doing so

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because everything else might possibly mess you up afterwards

unreal nova
abstract sand
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push attack (the stab) + l1

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instant crusher death

safe kiln
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you'll take no hp dam

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but lose all toughness

unreal nova
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And on a vet is basically a straight death sentence.

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2 random chaff backstab, downed.

safe kiln
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just push :>

sudden cedar
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You are also staggered at that point so you cant push

abstract sand
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@long dove u can do this

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if ya nasty

unreal nova
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Have you never gotten toughness broken on vet?

somber rivet
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hellow fellow veterans how do you do

sudden cedar
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Zealot spotted.

somber rivet
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cadia amirite

abstract sand
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power sword is goated

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by the way

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is there any central veteran guide

unreal nova
abstract sand
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like ainz has that zealot guide

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ogryns have ogrynomicon

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do we have anything over here

unreal nova
hard hound
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might have to invest

safe kiln
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yes, tho the first push attack was a crit

abstract sand
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it still does on non-crit

safe kiln
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^

abstract sand
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power sword is great but it absolutely requires power cycler

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second blessing is flexible but i highly suggest brutal momentum

hard hound
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I've just been using dueling sword

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I just recently got back into the game

safe kiln
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beware of powerswords terrible, horrendous mobility

abstract sand
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personally i dump cleave targets on power sword

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which sounds weird

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but honestly

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your special has so much cleave

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it doesnt really matter

sonic kayak
abstract sand
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yea

hard hound
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I don't really know what primaries are good at the moment

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I think I played like a year ago or something

sonic kayak
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They're all servicable in normal gameplay

void dragon
sonic kayak
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Havoc is not normal gameplay

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Different rules

hard hound
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What would you recommend for havoc?

abstract sand
sonic kayak
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Helbore
Plasma
Recon
Bolter
Zarona revolver
Bolt Pistol
Agripina Combat Shotgun

abstract sand
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"b-but muh plasma gun"

SILENCE . . . I WILL NOT USE THE PLASMA GUN...

sonic kayak
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Quoting Q. Higui

hard hound
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I don't like the plasma gun

sonic kayak
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Although the revolver might taper off, just not enough ammo

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Still very servicable

sonic kayak
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I personally all of those in some way

hard hound
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I guess I can try recon

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I was using the like

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Slow lasgun

abstract sand
sonic kayak
abstract sand
sonic kayak
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High ROF allows for potential quicker proccing of Infernus, and if you're running it, quick stacking of Onslaught

abstract sand
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But I prefer to Dumdum it up

hard hound
abstract sand
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and it pairs well with infernus

abstract sand
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Recon is an Infernus machine

hard hound
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Should I be using krak nades or those bleed ones? Or is it mainly just preference

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I do like the bleed ones

abstract sand
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I heavily prefer Shredder Frags

sonic kayak
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shredder frags are good most of the time

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I say most, because smokes do have their merit

hard hound
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I actually forgot smokes existed 😬

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Never seen anyone use them

abstract sand
sonic kayak
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Smokes turn off shooters, prevent dogs from jumping you, make trappers have to run up to you to net you

safe kiln
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doesnt it also force flamers forward too

abstract sand
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I still run Shredders in Havoc when I play as my Veteran

sonic kayak
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In normal gameplay you simply do not have enough horde density or incoming fire for it to make much of a difference

abstract sand
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But smokes are useful

hard hound
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Survivalist and voc are like a must right

rugged bane
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Definitely VoC

sonic kayak
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Some people run exe stance

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But generally most people prefer/want VoC

rugged bane
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Gold toughness is really nice

abstract sand
rugged bane
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But Exe Helbore is fun too

abstract sand
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Helbore benefits from exe stance heavily

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TL;DR use VoC 90% of the time

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Infiltrate is a shitpost

sonic kayak
safe kiln
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infiltrate is worse zealot stealth

sonic kayak
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Just tested it

abstract sand
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and Exe. Stance is good for specific builds like Helbore Gaming™

rugged bane
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Infiltrate is my favorite. Is it the best? Fuck no, but I like it

abstract sand
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i had to use infiltrate and smokes to get the armor i wanted

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💔

sonic kayak
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Bombers will still chuck nades at you

abstract sand
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also if u play recon las

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i personally just do keystoneless

sonic kayak
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Otherwise, smoke can be very useful and it's what I personally run in Havoc

hard hound
sonic kayak
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Yeah same, if I'm running Recon, just doing Onslaught/keystoneless

hard hound
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the purple ones right

abstract sand
rugged bane
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I run exe if we have a book zealot, but VoC when we dont

abstract sand
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like weapon specialist

sonic kayak
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I'm not gonna necessarily be killing armor with magdumping but it's a good debuff stick

abstract sand
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if i was to use plasma gun i would use weapon specialist

hard hound
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Are the keystones bad? Or are is it just better to have the other talents

sonic kayak
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If you're running the Recon, they don't really do much for it

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Otherwise preference IMO; I personally run Focus Target

hard hound
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That's the one down the middle right

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I think I have that one rn

sonic kayak
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I don't mind spotting because I used to play a lot of Battlefield, you win when you spot lol

rugged bane
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Yuh

sonic kayak
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Aye

karmic goblet
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Oh yea I got the torso on that one

karmic goblet
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I use it with a commissar cap and bam

abstract sand
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The Recon just doesn't get much value from the keystones

hard hound
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Oh

safe kiln
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it probably gets the most value from mark target

abstract sand
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So it's better to just invest in stuff like Trench Fighter or Rending Strikes

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(You should be taking Trench Fighter Drill regardless.)

safe kiln
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its finesse multiplier isnt great so marksmen focus doesn't benefit it much, nor does it benefit much from weapon specs free crit and partial reloading

sonic kayak
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In Havoc, we run the Recon because it's a debuff stick, which applies burning (Infernus), Onslaught (Brittleness on demand), and the perks + dumdum (iirc) on the gun boost your DoTs

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With those things on the table, you just don't get anything more out of keystones

chrome gust
hard hound
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i see i see

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ty for the help

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❤️

abstract sand
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After completing a Zealot build and seeing the talent tree I realized we actually have it pretty good over here

sonic kayak
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I always say Vet is the hybrid class

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The problem is the tree takes forever to start cooking

hard hound
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What would you say is the best class

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No bias

abstract sand
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Also these are my personal curio picks.

sonic kayak
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At this point, Ogryn, Arbites, or Psyker

long dove
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UGHGHH I ALMOST CLEARED WITH NO MELEE DAMAGE TAKEN

hard hound
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I am seeing an absurd amount of arbites

abstract sand
long dove
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Two idiots got trapped and I get bursted.

sonic kayak
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They do a lot of things without much effort (comparatively), they have good flexibility in their trees and kit,

abstract sand
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At least two of them

hard hound
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Yeah I have 3 gunner res on mine I think

safe kiln
abstract sand
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and i like to have CAR for VoC spam

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but yeah thats what i use for my hav40 veteran

sonic kayak
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But tbh, if I'm doing a H40, I'd still prefer the original 4 over an Arby Hmm

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For all of the fun stuff in Arby's kit, there is nothing that makes me yearn for it when it's gone

hard hound
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hoping it's just because they're new and people are trying them out

abstract sand
rugged bane
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Nuncio is nice to have, but I'd rather have a bubble

abstract sand
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AT LEAST WE HAVE FUNCTIONING AURAS

hard hound
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I've been in alot of queues where it's just me as a vet and 3 other arbites

sonic kayak
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The most mileage out of an Arby that I've seen has been from Nuncio + mines

abstract sand
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if vet gets reworked i hope they don't try to retool the class as a hardcore ranged class

sonic kayak
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That would genuinely be the death of Vet tbh

abstract sand
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i would prefer vet to be the jack of all trades it currently stands as

unreal nova
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Honestly, most would agree all vet needs is buffs to bad nodes and a trimmed down and more open tree.

abstract sand
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Mostly due to a bug though

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(dog bleed)

unreal nova
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Just give some of the small stat nodes to base vet and remove them off the tree.

abstract sand
unreal nova
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Less taxes so we can take more useful things.

abstract sand
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gn razorjaw

abstract sand
hard hound
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I probably would play arbites if literally every other player wasn't playing them

abstract sand
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Arbitrator has a lot of powerful weapon choices and a very solid talent tree

hard hound
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I feel like I'd get bored quick

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But the shotgun looks really fun

abstract sand
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oh it is

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the mk8 is practically a sniper

hard hound
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is the vet shotgun even that good..

rugged bane
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Agri, yes

abstract sand
hard hound
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Fr?

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I do like shotguns

abstract sand
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yes

rugged bane
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Slug round go brrr

hard hound
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But I just didn't know if they were good for vet

abstract sand
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The Agri is silly

midnight totem
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Yesh, just had my worst auric HISTG in a while

hard hound
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I'm guessing it's not very good for havoc though?

rugged bane
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It's solid

abstract sand
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I've not played around with it enough but I imagine it would be fine

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i usually see recon or plasma on veterans in havoc and i myself use the former

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so

hard hound
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I still think vet could have some better cosmetics tho..

midnight totem
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dodged into a sniper shot meant for my arbie teammate. Got knocked into three poxbursters. Outright fucked up krak grenading a crusher, dodged into a piece of terrain

hard hound
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I really don't like some of these helmets

rugged bane
abstract sand
midnight totem
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Well, killed that crusher and three others with one krak. Worth it I guess

hard hound
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Like one of the ones that zealot has in store right now

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Like the full helmet with the gasmask

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I really like that one

rugged bane
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Yeah, bought that immediately

hard hound
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And the uhhh

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Like the snow ones idk what they're called

midnight totem
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Vet has decent choice of fits now. Needs more full or eye covered helm though, imho

hard hound
midnight totem
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like, just the basic, visored guard helmet

hard hound
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I really want like a proper kasrkin helmet

hard hound
midnight totem
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Thats what every Vet wants

hard hound
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🙏

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Surely they've thought about adding it

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There's no way they haven't

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It has to come out at some point

midnight totem
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AND POWER FISTS

hard hound
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(I'm delusional)

midnight totem
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GIVE MY VET POWER FISTS

sonic kayak
hard hound
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But

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I don't wanna do that

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And they've already done it

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Just give me my beautiful helmet..

sonic kayak
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I want my soldier man to have a closed helmet

hard hound
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💔

sonic kayak
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Soldier man gets a closed helmet

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The biggest blueball in this game was when they added the Moebian 6th armor without a closed helmet, just the balaclava + rebreather

hard hound
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The penance helmet with no visor

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It could've been perfect..

sonic kayak
midnight totem
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I have this fit for my vet

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its gorgeous

abstract sand
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oh thats solid

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i just wear the armageddon helm with infiltrator armor and pants

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have not found anything that justifies opening my wallet

hard hound
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I have a reaaally basic fit on my vet right now, just the penance helmet with the goggles and this one armor I forgot the name of but it's blue and free

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Honestly I do have the paid currency already

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But im just blindly waiting

sonic kayak
hard hound
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For that one specific helmet

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Which probably won't come

hard hound
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I don't think so

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It's like the uhhh

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The one in like the game opening

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The mask and the circular goggles

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With the helmet

sonic kayak
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Oh the Moebian 21st armor

hard hound
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Yeah I think so

sonic kayak
hard hound
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That helmet will come soon.. I just know it

hard hound
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Yeah kinda like that but it has like a leather looking helmet

midnight totem
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that one? thats a preorder one right?

hard hound
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I don't have those

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It's the one on the left

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But with a different helmet

sonic kayak
midnight totem
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this?

hard hound
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Yeah that one

midnight totem
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its a penance armor

hard hound
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That's the one I have

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I would wear the other penance helmet but I like the goggles on this one

midnight totem
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gotcha

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yeah it is pretty sweet

hard hound
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I'm really surprised they haven't added it yet

sonic kayak
hard hound
cyan cloak
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I'm trying to find the right class for me, i play alot of payday 2 and in vermintide 2 i played kruber. Would vet seem like the right pick?

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i tried psyker but it just wasnt for me

midnight totem
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what class of kruber?

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shout vet is like merc kruber

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with better ranged abilities

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foot knight is better served with arbites break the line

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ranger kruber is most similar to vet overall if you go infiltrate, but ranger kruber is more ranged focused and infiltrate vet is usually more melee focused

cyan cloak
midnight totem
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and executioner stance is ranged vet

cyan cloak
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is it any good in darktide?

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the only dude i saw was like invisble and runnign around with a knife

hollow ibex
vapid thunder
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let me be even more faceless and expendable

nimble wadi
sonic kayak
midnight totem
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Which is gloamis, yes

cyan cloak
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and um, how should i playing this dude?

sonic kayak
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I'd love for more of that camo on other weapons though

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Gotta show our respect to the honored martyrs who stayed loyal until the end

hollow ibex
hollow ibex
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Fair warning tho. Vet isn’t meta rn

unreal nova
cyan cloak
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i assume its similar to vermitide

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hit, dodge, hit, dodge, push when grouped up and block when in a corner?

cyan cloak
sonic kayak
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pogryn fuckin' A I need to check my cosmetics more

unreal nova
hollow ibex
cyan cloak
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to dodge ranged right?

cyan cloak
serene bough
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which helbores are good again

heavy rover
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mk iii or mk iv

serene bough
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thnx

lusty jewel
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P sure I use iii

serene bough
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build for?

heavy rover
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like an example build?

serene bough
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yes pls

heavy rover
upper dock
serene bough
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tyty

flint lake
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Eldar always lie

hollow ibex
lusty jewel
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I've always dumped Ammo on my Helbore, just haven't needed that much ever

cyan cloak
heavy rover
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so are you asking for like a playstyle for vet?

hollow ibex
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but he does get good weapon variety

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so can do a bit of everything

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vet's been totally buttfucked by the powercreep in the game

lusty jewel
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Needs a tree rework

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Needs some perks to be combined together

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Too many things to pick on vet's tree not enough points to pick them all with

unreal nova
cyan cloak
# hollow ibex so can do a bit of everything

i wasnt huge on the psyker when playing them, i dont own the arbites, the orgryn doesnt really intrest me lmao. So its between this dude and zealot. I dunno what zealot does and this dude did look fun

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i played with some guy ages ago who had some invisible knife assassin build and it looked funny

umbral scaffold
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Thoughts on this meme build ?

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I'm maybe thinking of swapping infiltrate for the one on the left

sonic kayak
heavy rover
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hey now bleed shovel is fun

sonic kayak
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I know, I have one KEKW_ogryn

heavy rover
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throw in shredders with bolt pistol and lethal proximity, it's hilarious

umbral scaffold
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U had my interest at shovel

sonic kayak
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I use the Mk 1 + AoN

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Although with some input from Willy, gonna try the Mk 3

heavy rover
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make sure you use shredders + grenade tinkerer when you do bolt pistol with lethal proximity

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because shredders does work with lethal proximity and it's awesome

sonic kayak
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Nah I'm not even using that

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I went shovel + revolver WS KEKW_ogryn

umbral scaffold
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I* was running shovel revolver combo the other day

sonic kayak
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Now do it with Serrated whatthefuck_heresy

umbral scaffold
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Bit of fun especially the shovel

sonic kayak
unreal nova
sonic kayak
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Well, he did give you credit for what it's worth lol

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I'm tired of my Vet builds ATM so going for a new rotation of gear

normal sparrow
unreal nova
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7 is dook. 1 or 3.

umbral scaffold
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I been playing rdr2 mainly but played a few games last night nice break from doot tide

hollow ibex
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hybrid playstyle is much more strongly encouraged for vet

umbral scaffold
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I'm allready upto the 3rd camp KEKW_ogryn

normal sparrow
sonic kayak
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tbf the 3's folding is much faster and fluid

normal sparrow
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Vs awkward h2 strikedown

sonic kayak
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plus the lights are nicer

unreal nova
umbral scaffold
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I like the last shovel and the second

unreal nova
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7 just halfarses everything.

umbral scaffold
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The ones w the folding animation

cyan cloak
hollow ibex
sonic kayak
hollow ibex
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you can still do very well

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it just takes exponentially more effort

umbral scaffold
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We need way less tax nodes

heavy rover
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yeah, I wish vet tree was more efficient with its nodes

normal sparrow
unreal nova
unreal nova
lusty jewel
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I'm curious, I keep seeing more guns like the plasma gun using damage against unarmored perks

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Why is that?

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Aren't the only enemies with unarmored like, trash mobs or?

hollow ibex
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against certain enemies

heavy rover
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dreg faction is mostly unarmoured

hollow ibex
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if it's unarmored, it's prob bruisers or gunners

lusty jewel
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Like the helbore build above had maniacs which I get, but also unarmored which surprised me

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I've always had flak and maniac

heavy rover
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unarmoured is to one-shot dreg gunners

lusty jewel
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What about flak armored gunners?

heavy rover
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I still find myself able to one-shot flak gunners

unreal nova
umbral scaffold
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I still have not tried the hellbore out

heavy rover
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i highly recommend it

umbral scaffold
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I'm not the most accurate

heavy rover
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the improved draw time alone fixed the biggest issue I had with it. they also made its hitbox more forgiving

unreal nova
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This is assuming build that doesn't focus on weakpoint and that oggy/boss damage.

umbral scaffold
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Oh they have actually been changing it lately?

heavy rover
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i mean I've used that build on havoc 30's and 40 and I got along just fine against bosses and oggys

normal sparrow
lusty jewel
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I've used the Helbore since beta and always loved it

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Gonna try swapping out the Flak for unarmored tho

heavy rover
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unironically one of the best melee weapons too

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staggers ragers out of their attack

lusty jewel
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Still using weight of fire for faster charge times

umbral scaffold
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It just feels like worrse than plasma gun

lusty jewel
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Gonna try armour bane

heavy rover
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yeah weight of fire is good

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i like armour bane because the brittlness comes in very useful against bosses and ogryns

lusty jewel
umbral scaffold
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Haha I can see how that would happen

lusty jewel
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I've always run with 60% ammo with helbore and still run out of ammo faster with the plasma

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I like the plasma tho don't get me wrong

unreal nova
lusty jewel
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I just have had a death korps bias since day one

umbral scaffold
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I heard people dump stability for hellbore

heavy rover
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I mean there are times I've never picked up ammo tins with the helbore KEKW_ogryn

umbral scaffold
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You reckon ammo is better to dump?

lusty jewel
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I heard that too, maybe its more viable after the buffs but I never liked dumping stability personally

heavy rover
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I mean with dumping stability, the fire rate is so slow I don't think you'll feel the effects

lusty jewel
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I think if you manage your ammo, land your shots, and be sure to always be grabbing the small ammo packs, I've never had ammo problems with the helbore

unreal nova
normal sparrow
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Deci is a bit awkward with ws tho, did you run ft?

heavy rover
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yeah, I never have ammo problems on my helbore build

unreal nova
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I think I showed papa... But he isn't on so sec, booting game.

umbral scaffold
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I guess also its that perk that gives free ammo for crits

unreal nova
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Talents don't matter. I showed it on both my nadier and recon build.

umbral scaffold
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Las weapon crits or something iirc

lusty jewel
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Yeah lots of reasons why I dumped ammo on my helbore

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Even without that perk

unreal nova
lusty jewel
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Granted I usually play on Heresy or lower. I have beaten the Karnak twins on damnation with my helbore and my shovel tho

umbral scaffold
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Vet shouldn't be able to work without a keystone yet here he is KEKW_ogryn

unreal nova
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This is mostly auric tbh. Since we all know breakpoints in H40 is pointless.

umbral scaffold
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I have a recon build w no keystone too KEKW_ogryn

heavy rover
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who needs keystones when you have shredders

lusty jewel
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I beat the karnak twins back when Damnation was as high as the difficulty went

umbral scaffold
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Karnak twins remind me of a wow raid

lusty jewel
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Lil bit, they were and are fun in my opinion

umbral scaffold
#

I enjoy fighting em

unreal nova
#

The shovel in question.

lusty jewel
#

It was a real rush playing them and beating them on damnation the first time and getting the little icon you can put by your profile pic

umbral scaffold
#

I remeber when someone showed me the skip

#

That was kewl

lusty jewel
#

Same that was cool

umbral scaffold
#

Heck yeah

lusty jewel
#

There's my shovel ❤️

#

It hasn't let me down yet idk what the meta is anymore or anything

#

Real nice to flip it and one tap maulers in the head tho with a charged swing

umbral scaffold
#

Is this one of the folding ones?

lusty jewel
#

Yeah

umbral scaffold
#

(I'm bad w my patterns)

lusty jewel
#

Same

umbral scaffold
#

Gotta be on the game to know what people are talking about KEKW_ogryn

lusty jewel
#

I liked this one cuz both the heavy swings on it are horizontal and good for knocking down crowds

#

Then I can flip it for overhead strikes on maulers and ragers

unreal nova
umbral scaffold
#

I like the crowd control one the most aswell

unreal nova
#

Also does in maulers the same way if you hit the head on purpose.

umbral scaffold
#

I like how it throws everything around

#

It's kinda like ogryn sheild but less

unreal nova
#

For builds. I think I shared my recon and 'nadier builds.

#

Doesn't matter, 2 fold attacks.

#

Same as with uncanny so... Shrugs.

umbral scaffold
#

I need to make a gameslantern account so I don't have to keep redoing my builds when someone asks for one KEKW_ogryn

#

So frustrating

unreal nova
#

I mean, I can stream it if anyone wants to see, but yeah.

umbral scaffold
#

Yeah I wouldn't mind having a look

unreal nova
#

It's abit slower since I have been messing with skirmisher for 'nades... But

#

Well, Party 1... Though can't be on for long. Going out at 11am so... heh.

umbral scaffold
#

Ahh im unable to talk rn im nit home ,do you have pics of the builds in question by chance?

unreal nova
#

It's any builds.

#

Seriously.

#

Talentless might be the same.

#

Or not.

#

I'll try that now.

#

Since more loadouts.

#

Yeah.

#

2 shots.

#

0 talents.

#

So, it doesn't matter as long as you hit the head with 2 fold attacks.

umbral scaffold
#

I have confused the heck out of myself KEKW_ogryn

unreal nova
#

Unga bunga translation time.

umbral scaffold
unreal nova
#

Flak cara deci skull gud. 2 hit crusher with fold atks with no talent.

#

BONK BONK.

umbral scaffold
#

Oooohhh

unreal nova
#

Ded crusher.

umbral scaffold
#

Hahahaha

#

Sorry I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed KEKW_ogryn

unreal nova
#

But yeah, the shovel in question.

#

Basically bog standard perks, deci skull.

#

You can dump def or mobility, won't change a thing.

umbral scaffold
#

I dumped Def on my one I think I have same blessings

unreal nova
#

Either way, aim for heads and it'll 2 hit.

#

It's great to find out that build changes nothing as well, lmao.

umbral scaffold
left crag
#

are we dying

unreal nova
#

On that funni recon build with weakspot damage, shooty crusher onslaugh(not much but STILL) and boss/oggy more damage and more elite damage, 2 hits.

#

IDK. Maybe vet nodes don't work or summthing?

#

I even shouted and tried.

#

No change.

umbral scaffold
unreal nova
#

Since you know, i run For the Emperor.

umbral scaffold
#

I can't stress enough how much I'm looking forward to when they redo the vet and zealot trees

lusty jewel
#

Same

umbral scaffold
#

Iv heard we wont be getting any new classes for the next year so I'm hoping they redo vet zealot and psyker trees like they redone oggy

lusty jewel
#

How's the Devil's Claw sword?

#

I been branching out from the power sword and shovel and trying other weapons on vet

hollow ibex
lusty jewel
#

sad

hollow ibex
#

yeah the real issue is flak adms

#

which is like, the one thing fatshart didn't buff

gaunt hare
#

adm?

safe kiln
#

armor damage multiplier

unreal nova
sonic kayak
#

Awesome Deadly Missive

unreal nova
umbral scaffold
#

But it's not very good

unreal nova
#

But yeah, this is why for shovels, uncanny only if bleed memes. IDK if deci works with bleed but no time to test atm.

#

I can just swap out my mercykiller knoife to test it.

umbral scaffold
#

I'm assuming bleed meme build would take the bleed on melee hits too or am I thinking of the zealot tree lmao

unreal nova
#

Yeah, you take serrated blade.

#

Or just frag bomb.

umbral scaffold
#

I'm gonna try this out when I get home

hollow ibex
unreal nova
#

But the shovel I showed basically 2 fold crushers and maulers in the hed.

umbral scaffold
#

Thank ya sah!

unreal nova
#

Before bleed.

umbral scaffold
#

Might swap the combat blade for shovel

unreal nova
#

Bleed might make hordes easier.

umbral scaffold
#

Oh bleed really helps w the horde lol

#

In my auric experience anyhoo

unreal nova
#

As in that build, lul.

lusty jewel
#

Lord I hate ragers when they hit me from 3 feet away behind a hord of trash mobs

hollow ibex
#

But it’ll prob be workable

trim badger
#

imagine if they make serrated blade accessible

hollow ibex
gritty mural
#

in due time for ANOTHER vet tree rework

unreal nova
#

Bleed PS? Well, if you want for whatever reason.

trim badger
#

:)

unreal nova
#

Yes, I have 2 knoifes. One runs lacerate, one mercykiller.

#

Both uncanny.

hushed cave
#

What blessings and perks for shovel?

unreal nova
hushed cave
#

Mk3 nice ty

unreal nova
#

Is 2 heavy fold atks to head to kill.

#

Crushers/maulers.

#

Just don't hit unyielding with it.

#

Use your gun instead.

#

I have tested and all specials except maybe muties (my accuracy sucks so test that yourself) get bonked in a hit. Ragers is 2 hit cos no maniac though.

#

If you crit, scab ragers die in 1.

past stratus
#

I leveled the shovel but I never gave it a real shot at more difficult content

#

I always though it had really good stagger but lacked actual damage on hordes

red fox
#

I don't like how defenceless PS feels but you can cleave the hrode off of you in a bad situation, the shovel can't reduce, only delay imo

unreal nova
#

Deci is better for hordes.

#

Still 2 fold heavy for crushers so...

#

More value.

#

Skullcrusher is just a must.

past stratus
unreal nova
#

At least for mk3.

past stratus
unreal nova
ember nest
#

what blessings/perks are yall generally going for on agrapina shotty?

past stratus
#

I wish we had more options for melee, most of Vets weapons seem to do really poorly against one type of armor, so you always have to pick really careful what you want.

unreal nova
#

I should mention tests were done starting with 0 stacks of deci.

#

I'm too inaccurate to try for it at max.

#

I don't think 1 hit will happen though.

past stratus
#

I wish Heavy Sword wasn't wet noodle against carapace 😭

unreal nova
#

Any melee that sucks at armoured are basically worthless at high lvl play for most parts.

past stratus
#

the Power Sword does well, I can fight off Crushers and Maulers with it if I'm in a tight spot where pulling my gun is a bad idea

#

or I don't have grenades

marble bridge
unreal nova
marble bridge
#

no i mean like

unreal nova
#

And they have more hp than usual.

#

You need to kill them quickly or you risk ppl dying to overheads.

#

Unless aurics, then anything goes. Just bring a gun to deal with armour.

marble bridge
# marble bridge no i mean like

"how many different buffs could you pile onto a weapon while keeping it bad at killing armour" ie - could a heavy sword with the knife speed profile (dodges, sprint, etc) and shred+decimator+wrath+skullcrusher+ etc etc etc be "usable" even if at that point it still did kinda bad for carapace damage

unreal nova
#

With vet, gl. I tried some things even with that fold shovel and couldn't speed up folded shovel kills.

#

You probably need to toss 75% of blessings on it.

#

Excluding specific weapon mechanics related ones.

marble bridge
#

yea

hollow ibex
unreal nova
#

And all forms of uncanny.

hollow ibex
#

btw check HOTE guide in the pins

#

it's mostly still up to date

marble bridge
#

could be fun with the loadout mod or something if it could be coerced into doing it

past stratus
#

the only weapon I can think of that can somewhat reliably kill big monsters like that is the Duelist Sword

red fox
past stratus
#

Maulers are pretty manageable if you have space to dodge the overhead, ragers of all type depend on if you have something to stagger them with

livid hill
#

is there a good guide for vet like the Ogrynomicon?

hollow ibex
#

it's mostly still up to date

#

updated version to be released on steam

#

soon tm

livid hill
hollow ibex
#

the other guides in the pin can be ignored

livid hill
unreal nova
hollow ibex
#

less commentary, more just facts

livid hill
#

idk im not good at reading analytical stuff

hollow ibex
#

but you should be able to find whatever info you need

livid hill
#

i'll look at it tho

hollow ibex
#

the upcoming soon tm steam guide should have more commentary

unreal nova
#

Or you can ask if you need further info here.

livid hill
#

could you ping me when that happens

#

okay

#

well, at what point should I, as a helbore sniper vet, engage in melee?

#

also is suppression worth it with a single shot weapon

#

i assume no right

unreal nova
livid hill
#

and also i assume hang back as much as possible

unreal nova
#

Or a negative if you can't reposition to shoot again.

livid hill
#

also what is good positioning with helbore, like near cover I presume?

unreal nova
#

Unless you trust yourself in a defensible spot.

livid hill
unreal nova
#

Cover is nice, but you can still be shot. Keep an eye on jumpscare doors as well.

woeful raven
#

anyone have any strats for the veteran penance of not getting melee'd

unreal nova
woeful raven
#

makes sense

livid hill
woeful raven
#

on overwatch seems a bit rough right now haha. because it's any melee and boom restart

unreal nova
#

Getting hit while at 100% or gold toughness is fine.

woeful raven
#

so it needs to hit hp? toughness is ok?

hollow ibex
#

yes

#

just don't lose hp

#

remember to block and push

#

and spam VOC

unreal nova
hollow ibex
#

and then with some situational awareness, it's actually a pretty easy penance

unreal nova
woeful raven
#

alright, feels a bit more doable. i was running infiltrate vet

unreal nova
#

Just worry about overheads and ragers.

#

Ragers care not about toughness. They hit through.

#

Dogs and muties are bad. Pounce and grab slams are melee.

#

Muties can be partially avoided by staying near walls.

woeful raven
#

hmm alright, for me i've noticed the most random ad gets a melee on me when i'm focused on being shot from range

unreal nova
#

The throw is okay.

unreal nova
#

And if you are being shot, you don't have 100% toughness.

woeful raven
#

yup

unreal nova
#

That's why gold toughness shout will help.

#

Some prefer infil to reposition if being shot in the first place.

#

I can't tell you which since I know ppl who use either for it.

woeful raven
#

i like infil for the potential single target damage

unreal nova
#

But for that run, safety is more important than damage.

#

If you know a boss has spawned, pull melee and prepare to dodge and block.

#

Because they will mess you over hard.

#

Instant toughness breaks to just grabs.

#

And you don't know if your teammates know to go and help you.

#

Or use ranged strong staggers/stuns

unreal nova
#

Go near CSpawn if they grab someone, just back dodge immediately. Will stop them from being eaten and heal the spawn.

#

Pubs are a hit or miss with that knowledge tbh.

abstract sand
unreal nova
abstract sand
#

their loss

unreal nova
#

I'll only stare if they try with Exe Stance.

frank basin
#

Exe stance sniper build micro management

hollow ibex
#

Infiltrate comes with free grenadier and is therefore extremely based chadgryn

unreal nova
#

At lvl 3.

frank basin
#

Yeah I have infiltrate with plasma

#

Running balances builds

#

No more than two Shout

abstract sand
#

@tall torrent aren't u working on a vet guide

#

let me help i can be trusted

frank basin
#

Path probably solo nerd

abstract sand
#

im gonna cry

frank basin
#

If you also super nerd, he will. If not, he’ll make point prove you wrong use

#

Since he is turbonerd

abstract sand
#

i think im some kind of nerd idk

frank basin
#

Tax this tax that

abstract sand
#

yeah that kinda sounds like me

unreal nova
#

Naw. You never seen Path being riled up.

#

I go by feels, he'll kill you by formulas and numbers.

frank basin
#

See

#

He will bring rocket science in video game

#

And you’re not rocket science like him

abstract sand
#

ok well

#

im the goat at docs formatting

unreal nova
abstract sand
#

no

unreal nova
#

Unless you are colourblind, he got it.

#

Cos the only worry is ppl not being able to see it.

frank basin
#

Path devote to this video game guide stuff

#

there’s zero chill guide maker

#

Ainz is least softer than old zealot guide maker

#

They were banned anyway

loud belfry
#

zealot chatters are innocent and kind

unreal nova
#

Ainz is nice. Most you'll get is him popping in after you offered to help someone. XD Then you are confused why you are even there.

frank basin
#

I got moody on Darktide again

#

Path didn’t like me last time I remembered

#

My impression as psyker failed him in pox gas modifier

#

Is only like 2 down and he see I’m not good player

#

I say it’s a bad luck today

hollow ibex
#

i don't think path cares lol

#

he's very chill

frank basin
#

I got overthinking people don’t like me because certain thing

frank basin
unreal nova
#

I mean, he just reeeeeeeeeeee at my builds since I fail breakpoints to take things like Field Inprov.

frank basin
#

I really want gamer get creativity without need training wheel play

#

But most people are on training wheel anyway

frank basin
#

And micromanage melee enemies around you

dry pivot
#

I implied a question mark but I didn't have a question mark

#

mb

#

Veteran can probably not worry so much about melee as psyker does

#

being the class with toughness management all over

#

I do like my thunder psyker though, just not great at the melee

frank basin
dry pivot
#

you're cool

#

i am more of a kill everything in a moderate distance psyker but I have personal space issues

#

i wish I could do both

frank basin
#

Yeah my melee using Deimos will be issue for melee

dry pivot
#

2h force sword probably helps do both a bit

#

ah deimos

frank basin
#

But melee psyker is fgs one

dry pivot
#

deimos can do the dance even without really focusing on melee for psyker

frank basin
#

Which why I got issue with out of reach enemy

dry pivot
#

what was that one talent blessing

frank basin
#

For Deimos I don’t want on it

dry pivot
#

it refilled your dodges on successful dodge

frank basin
#

Empathic evasion

dry pivot
#

weapon blessing rather

frank basin
#

Or agile

#

Agile on Taxe

#

And dueling sword

#

Successful weakspot hit refill dodge

dry pivot
#

yeah the duelling sword

#

that's super popular, I can see why

#

ah right hit and dodge

#

untouchable

#

that would be a welcome addition

frank basin
#

It require hitting enemy

dry pivot
#

true, but then they can't hit u

frank basin
#

Can’t run toward ranged enemy

#

If there’s no enemy

#

Probably just take cover

dry pivot
#

I suppose ranged does get more of a problem as you go up in diff lol

frank basin
#

But gunner suppressing

dry pivot
#

though if you go up in diff you probably have better guys on melee too

frank basin
#

Gunner and you lock in melee then you gotta back out

dry pivot
#

can specialise a bit more without worry

frank basin
#

I play reg damnation

#

Breakfast and main course

dry pivot
#

Yeah I feel like that's the nice level of friction at this point

#

heresy is like normal mode

#

when you've got all established in a build

frank basin
#

open area lock on melee and gunner shotgunner near you, agile can assist little but you still taking damage

dry pivot
#

pretty cool

frank basin
#

Dance to death

dry pivot
unreal nova
frank basin
#

Feel like I’m tall ass Soyker

red fox
#

I can't waste my ammo on small fry

unreal bone
#

What is dump stat on plasma

dry pivot
#

you know how to save it for the big fuckers

#

that's a good question

#

never used em I could give the plasma a try

grand perch
unreal bone
#

Ugh it's still that shit bro

#

It's been like a fucking year or so since I tried using plasma I thought it'd be changed by now.

#

Okay other than 69 thermal 71 charge

#

lets say I just wanna grab an 80/60 for the time being because those are easier to find than a 69 thermal 71 charge..

grand perch
#

Dump charge

unreal nova
#

Dump thermal imo.

#

You lose 1 chain shot.

grand perch
#

I'd rather have that extra shot than slightly faster shots

unreal bone
#

Okay cool because 100k at brunt all I got was a 60 thermal

#

Well brunt decided I was getting 60 thermal

ember nest
#

Brunt aint there

unreal nova
#

Honestly, it depends if you are okay with the delay and can make use of the extra shot.

grand perch
#

I hope you can live with yourself when the entire team wipes because you were able to shoot one time less /s

unreal nova
#

You usually won't shoot 8 times in a row generally.

unreal bone
#

In high level havoc I really doubt I'll have the opprotunity to shoot 8 times in a row yeah

#

you know with the oops all gazillion fucking bosses

unreal nova
#

But a quicker shot may save you from a trapper.

unreal bone
#

Has this armor even came back since it was first sold lol

#

The enforcer armor is so nice

red fox
#

literally came back like a month ago

unreal bone
#

Lol that's cool

red fox
#

i just bought the helmet, and put it with the yellow trenchcoat

#

looks goofy af i love it

unreal bone
#

which yellow coat

red fox
#

Top right

unreal bone
#

Ah the original one

red fox
#

I would honestly support darktide a lot more if they bloody changed the shop there's stuff i actually would get

unreal bone
#

Real bro

#

They need to take a book out of Helldivers page

red fox
#

yea

#

even with like major orders and stuff imo

#

shit's fun, and it gets the community kinda riled up and together

#

I've been waiting for the scion fit forever 😭

#

i want that helmet so bad

unreal bone
#

I have it

#

Wear it most of the time

#

with the elysian outfit

red fox
#

don't rub it in bro

unreal bone
#

You can't make a scion fit

#

until they release the scion armor that has been in the game

#

for like a year

steep flower
#

Got it for aquilas i got from buying the mortis bundle

red fox
#

I really wish Aquilas had some way of being earned

#

it's hard to tell Helldiver friends like oh yea game gives you fuck all, swipe

steep flower
red fox
#

Is this tencent?

steep flower
red fox
#

oh dang i didn't know that

#

ten cents all i got left bruh how do i buy aquilas 😭

unreal bone
#

STILL WAITING

red fox
unreal bone
#

well the chest is

steep flower
unreal bone
#

I found a pair of legs that match this chest really well

#

I mean not counting the legs that literally come WITH the set.

#

Lemme find it

light nest
#

man trying to build this tree after playing arbites so much feels painful

light nest
#

it really isnt any more overtuned the newgryn

unreal bone
#

I tell you what's REALLY painful

light nest
#

im talking more about interesting talents to tax nodes ratio

unreal bone
#

the chimps running the Darktide commodore store

#

We're gonna give you this cool Karst camo backpack

#

But we're not going to ever release any of the Karst camo outfits.

light nest
#

anyone else remember prerelease blogs where fatshark flexed that they have a new shiny material system that allows them to easily modify assets on the ago allowing for very flexible customization?

#

anyone else thought that'd mean we'd get it player side?

#

yeah.

#

and its not like it got cut because for the drip actively utilizes this

#

its the whole premise of the mod

unreal bone
#

What mod lol

light nest
#

you load material, colour and pattern presets onto the model and voila

#

its called for the drip

unreal bone
#

Oh yeah that

#

I don't use that anymore, haven't for years

#

updating mods manually is annoying

light nest
#

me neither but the point stand

unreal bone
#

I got ur point

light nest
#

the system is there but the monetization design of this game is actively working against it

#

imagine if we could buy like shaders in destiny

#

but permanent

#

buy cadian set once, then buy 'paint pots' and do it yourself

#

shit look at SM2

unreal bone
#

Warhammer game devs try not to make the stupidest fucking game decisions possible challenge. (IMPOSSIBLE)

light nest
#

its not perfect but i have tons more fun from just being able to paint my own stuff there lol

light nest
#

bad character customization

unreal bone
#

It's not even just Darktide too it's funny lol

#

Space Marine 2 is doing it also

light nest
#

the whole premise of the ip is to paint toysoldiers an have them fight lol

unreal bone
#

It's like game devs get Warhammer license

#

game devs lose all common sense.

light nest
#

eh we're in the golden era anyway

unreal bone
#

Have you seen the new Space Marine 2 cosmetic dlc lol

#

White Scars Champion outfit for Assault Marine

light nest
#

yeah i like it very much

unreal bone
#

None of the White Scars champion weapon skins can be used on assault marine

light nest
#

i somehow suspect saber is all hands on deck for SM3 and the fact we're getting a year 2 is just courtesy on their side

unreal bone
#

No yeah them annoucing SM3 before even getting halfway through SM2 content

#

was a fucking joke

light nest
#

not really

unreal bone
#

Wym not really

light nest
#

its not really a joke

unreal bone
#

Bruh

#

was a fucking joke = I mean like

#

not a literal joke

light nest
#

they released SM2, game overperformed expectations vastly, calls were made, project started

#

sm3 is at least 5 to 6 years away

unreal bone
#

like the expression "what a fucking joke"

#

not like

#

a literal joke

light nest
#

my point is that its nothing surprising

#

in fact i'[d rather now they're making a sequel to a succesful game than not especially since it was like 10 years between sm1 and 2

unreal bone
#

Oh

#

I can see what this weeks new darktide shop rotation will be

#

Neat

#

It's a recolor

#

for vet atleast

#

Veteran is getting a recolor that doesn't even match

junior grail
tall torrent
#

Can talk about it after I return from vacation

junior grail
#

Me wanna Nippon

unreal nova
junior grail
unreal nova
#

As in, which region. Heh.

long dove
#

Any tips on the marksman focus kills penance?

unreal nova
#

If it's left keystone.

#

Takes about 30-45 mins of keep swinging or a turbo controller.