veteran-class

[halcyon sigil]

i have more than i need just grabbing maybe 3 cans and a bag throughout a game? ammo crates are a bonus if someone happens to drop one

[narrow widget]

what are you gonna do with 5% damage
kill a monstrosity 5% faster?

[unreal nova]

Ammo crates with field improv is for others.

[tall torrent]

There’s no rly any difference between fire team and C&K when it comes to aura pathing since you should take agile engagement if u don’t take survivalist

[unreal nova]

Unless last one up.

[tall torrent]

And tinkerer is high enough benefit for both krak and smoke

And fire team has some niche but real breakpoint benefits

[teal canyon]

Nope. Way less since it 5% base damage, so .. 2% faster

[halcyon sigil]

I like to think it has utility in melee considering how many peoples builds dont quite kill everything they hit, rarely relevant for ranged breakpoints though

[tall torrent]

It’s a substitute for 5% ranged damage below frag grenade and ironically does affect a few weapons’ breakpoints

[halcyon sigil]

5% move speed is always nice considering how rare it is to get modifiers for it

[unreal nova]

I mean, lacerate bleedout then.

[tall torrent]

U can choose either it doesn’t really matter that much

If ur gun cares about breakpoints probably fire team

If not, probably C&K

[halcyon sigil]

lacerate bleedout builds are probably where it has the most use tbh since they expect to not be killing everything efficiently

[tame lodge]

Lacerate implies knife

[halcyon sigil]

I say that as someone who ran lacerate bleedout until a few days ago

[tame lodge]

Lacerate knife

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[halcyon sigil]

...well i actually used it more for the 60% weakspot hit on bleeding targets

[past stratus]

I don't really like bleed, outside of the frag grenade

[halcyon sigil]

Relying on DoT if you can build to just outright kill things just gives heretics more time to resist

basically resigning yourself to not hitting breakpoints and hoping theyll just go away

[unreal nova]

Uncanny lacerate. Or pay taxes for Serrated.

[past stratus]

the problem with other auras I guess is that I very rarely if ever get Krak or Smoke Grenades. I think I only ever got Smokes when I was leveling Vet, years ago at this point

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[halcyon sigil]

uncanny mercy killer, swing aiming just above headheight and youll basically be hitting nothing but weakspots

but again, i think its better to just build to kill them properly

[unreal nova]

Look, unless they buff nade refill to at least 25%... I won't have enough with my luck.

[unreal nova]

That's if you can afford serrated... Does run a build with it.

I traded the extra frag.

[tame lodge]

Me when I put a blessing that needs to hit bodies on my Insta-Killer-On-Weakspot-hits weapon

[halcyon sigil]

thats why i dropped it tbh, save the point on serrated and just take precognition instead of mercy

[past stratus]

I think generally frag grenades are better, when big chaotic situations happens what makes people freak out the most is giant clusters of difficult elites. If I can double frag a crowd and help minimize that problem, it is way better than anything I can do with a Krak

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[halcyon sigil]

with a knife its not like youre ever not dodging so precog gets mad uptime

and +60% finesse damage is wild

[unreal nova]

It is. I literally have 4 'nadier builds with stuff swapped around.

And then that onslaught recon build.

I have 2 built knoifes as well, can do a third if needed.

[past stratus]

yeah and that makes it hard to go to other auras since it taxes me of some precious talent points

[marble bridge]

see the problem with it is that survivalist ends up being worth more because that’s just how it be

[unreal nova]

I still just take survivalist.

[marble bridge]

i have a loadout with fire team that also doesn’t have field improv incase i see someone else on vet so that we don’t double stack auras or useless talents

[unreal nova]

The bullets will save me when I somehow need to bleed kill two BoNs.

[halcyon sigil]

at the end of the day survivalist never hurts, and close and kill is just too far from anything else to be a valid choice on most builds

[past stratus]

I will experiment with something like this I think

[halcyon sigil]

being able to stack auras with other vets is a good thing to consider, but also if the team spilts into two pairs, a vet with scavenger in each keeps everyone happy

[past stratus]

6 points to go down either WS or FT

[marble bridge]

quick play doesn’t do that generally lol

but good to be aware

[past stratus]

which depends on what weapon loadout I'm using

[halcyon sigil]

team splits a fair bit for me tbf, i make it pairs because i tend to go help people who get left behind or break cohesion so they can regroup before things go sideways lol

especially now with arbies wandering off all the time

[past stratus]

though idk if I can go without survivalist and without fully loaded

I still think superiority complex is also a good thing to have generally

[halcyon sigil]

i honestly consider fully loaded to be a tax considering my ammo economy is already busted

[tall torrent]

Survivalist is also just, not needed outside of a few specific cases

[narrow widget]

id argue that extra ammo is always useful

[marble bridge]

ok yea but nothing is needed you could do auric with no talents lmfao

that’s not an argument

[tall torrent]

Leaving mission with 50% remaining ammo instead of 70% is not rly that big of a difference

[unreal nova]

Ppl splitting up in pubs is a good way of half the team trapped/down/dead.

[marble bridge]

i like survivalist more because i can shoot more when playing the gun class

[halcyon sigil]

it is, honestly vet has a few too many nodes dedicated to extra ammo considering survivalist ends up being auto take

[grand perch]

its not auto take tho. not by a long shot outside of havoc

[narrow widget]

idk about you but i use my gun a lot and usually end on ~20%
survivalist is the difference between not having ammo room to room and having ammo

this is on havoc tho

tbf

[halcyon sigil]

kinda why i try and keep people together, almost always end up with the highest cohesion at the end as a result lol

[marble bridge]

do you really only get 20 procs? in most of my runs it’s probably a good like 5x a minute for the whole run of like 20m

that’s another 1200 flashlight rounds for me which is like what, 4? red bags

[tall torrent]

Yea havoc is one of those specific cases where survivalist is a large enough boon to warrant priority

[narrow widget]

but also its one of those nodes thats better the more people on the team need ammo

if you're playing with like 3 psykers then yea its not at all useful

[halcyon sigil]

its not auto take because its needed, but its a pretty common node to pass through to try and save points for things elsewhere

[grand perch]

if that were the case everyone would take fire team

goes directly to VoC

[tall torrent]

Ofc not
But then again this is mainly a melee combat game and u don’t have to shoot nearly as many enemies as people like to believe

[narrow widget]

still a tax on shredder frags
survivalist is just the better choice imo

[halcyon sigil]

the difference is that people actively avoid fireteam tbf

[unreal nova]

Over 100 if looking at ppl's scoreboards.

Unless it's low diff, then all the mats are belong to me.

I'm gonna be looting the heck while those three huddle. They'll enjoy the mats in the long run.

[narrow widget]

i will fiend for every large diamantine i see

[past stratus]

Does the % movespeed from aura and nodes increase sprint speed?

or applies to sprinting I guess

[halcyon sigil]

I believe so yes

[tall torrent]

Yes

But not the same category as +sprint speed

[halcyon sigil]

honestly even just taking the +5% move speed node after out for blood feels so nice

tried a full toughness curio build without it and felt like an ogryn

[past stratus]

Hmm I know speed in general is a good defensive stat to have but I was wondering how much value I'd get from it

[tall torrent]

For example

A perfect roll power sword has +0.27m/s sprint bonus

Veteran has a base sprint speed of 5.2m/s

so you sprint at 5.47m/s

With +5% move speed, you should sprint at 5.7435m/s

[halcyon sigil]

i find the ability to close cohesion with the group quickly in emergencies to be a strong benefit for vet

does move speed effect dodge distance too?

[tall torrent]

No

[halcyon sigil]

i didnt think it would but thought id ask lol

[tall torrent]

But it will affect your walk speed between dodges

[past stratus]

because Fire Team really is niche, unless I really need that 5% to go from two shots to one shot on a dangerous enemy

[tall torrent]

It depends

On a revolver for example it’s a pretty good substitute for the 5% ranged damage node below frags

[halcyon sigil]

it always depends

[past stratus]

that is just thinking about me, it is even more abstract if you count your team which is kind of the point of the aura. Do my team mates need 5% or will I just be making number go a little higher? Like a cosmetic benefit

[tall torrent]

Don’t think about the team aspect of aura too much tbh

Pick aura based on what you think you’ll need

Same goes for all classes

[halcyon sigil]

yup, at the end of the day as a class that likes their guns survivalist remains pretty beneficial for yourself even ignoring the aura aspect

[past stratus]

thinking just about myself, in a void. Only Close and Kill seems to be a good aura, because Survivalist can be countered by good trigger discipline. Most matches I do end up with an overflow of ammo, very rarely I run into ammo issues.

it was very useful back when I started the game and didn't know how to pace myself

[tall torrent]

Then as long as u don’t need fire team for core breakpoints u can go C&K with minimal downsides

C&K has the best pathing nodes anyway

[halcyon sigil]

close and kill can be countered by thoughtful movement and positioning if talking purely about what it does for you tbf

[past stratus]

Not really because the fact that you can get to point A to point B on 5 second instead of 7 seconds is a flat, unchangeable fact.

[tall torrent]

It’s not that dramatic of a difference

[halcyon sigil]

5% is not that much

[past stratus]

just an example

[grand perch]

it is however a dramatic difference in terms of kiting enemies

[tall torrent]

5% move speed is more than people think it is

[past stratus]

to illustrate the point

[halcyon sigil]

and if its purely for you theres the 5% move speed node after out for blood without needing to stretch across the tree

[tall torrent]

I think usually just 5% from O4B pathing is good enough tho

So I take fire team

[halcyon sigil]

like i get your point but to an extent all stats can be played around

[past stratus]

also I always go right side so I get 5% move speed from it so plus the aura it will be 10%. But my point was that the flat boost even outside of situational defensive actions, is a good thing.

[odd sparrow]

5% is a lot because it can make the difference of being able to outrun enemies or not.

[halcyon sigil]

its nice, its just not 7 to 5 seconds nice, i wouldnt like the knife so much if i didnt value speed

[past stratus]

don't get too hung up on my example that wasn't some calculated accurate thing

it was just an illustration

[halcyon sigil]

fair

my main issue with C&K will always be that its too far from anything else id want and it gets priced out, if theyd swap its place with fire team id absolutely take it

[past stratus]

a better example would be, bad guys go speed 2 taking the talent makes you go speed 2.25, the 0.25 might not be a lot but it is enough to make sure the bad guy with 2 speed will never catch up to you

[junior grail]

I really hope FatShark improves the talent tree for Vet

[past stratus]

again, abstract value not accurate

[tall torrent]

2039

https://tenor.com/view/happy-steam-steamhappy-gif-11912067498964962572

[halcyon sigil]

2077

no wait, 40,000

just wait till then

[junior grail]

Zealot tree may be boring but it's super powerful

But Vet just feels... unpolished

[halcyon sigil]

[junior grail]

Grimdark

Grimdarktide!

[past stratus]

idk anything about Zealot's build but I do read a lot of people complaining about it, what is wrong with it?

[trim badger]

In the past I used to play out for blood + 5% movespeed node, and then I swapped to confirmed kill and +1 stam

God I feel so much slower

[past stratus]

I thought Zealot had nice choices with bonk dash and book

[trim badger]

But CK is so good on Havoc...

[halcyon sigil]

in the grim darkness of the 41st millenium, guardsmen are still waiting for the emperor to buff their skill tree

[tall torrent]

Ya

[junior grail]

It's just one or two really strong Zealot build

[tall torrent]

For DS I think there’s not rly an alternative

[halcyon sigil]

right? it is amazing how different that 5% feels

[tall torrent]

Ur not gonna kill horde or mixed horde remotely fast enough to get enough value from O4B

For power sword u can choose from preference

[trim badger]

Nades still fill your toughness pretty much

[tall torrent]

Except CK still pulls ahead in those mixed horde situations u’d use nade for

Unless u nade poxwalkers for fun

[trim badger]

But yeah close drill order + confirmed kill early tree gives you LOT of resistance against gunners

To the point gunner curios are not needed xddd

[halcyon sigil]

with iron will, regenerating 30% instead of 15% in one swing does make a difference for maintaining 100%, its biggest weakness imo is that its melee only

[tall torrent]

Nah it’s being discussed at a high lvl

[tall torrent]

What

O4B is not melee only

[deep bone]

Anyone have a good Exe stance build

[halcyon sigil]

i thought it modified the regen you got from melee kills

[past stratus]

I need to update my curios, I have Sniper damage resistance of them, something I took back when I started playing the game and never bothered to change. I can't remember the last time surviving a sniper shot ever did me any good. If I get hit by it is just because I really mispositioned and am fucked anyways

[tall torrent]

It’s +5% of max toughness from all kills

Which adds on top of melee kills

But it makes every other type of kill (ranged, explosion, DOT, map kill) also give toughness

[halcyon sigil]

ah fair, i probably just didnt notice 5% while shooting with all the other stuff going on

still i do consider its main strength to be how it doubles the regen from melee kills, the less time it takes to recover back to 100% from whatever happens to hit you the better

[trim badger]

Vet is a very silly class

We love vet

[safe kiln]

not throwing one shredder into a horde will burst your toughness up to full?

or blasting a plasma into a horde?

[trim badger]

Why aren't more people running relentless strikes on their DS

It's actually really really good

[halcyon sigil]

i mean thats nice too

[unreal nova]

You do that to insta restore anyone to full with 'nade shout. Lul.

[tall torrent]

Cuz it’s meh

It stacks vs 1 enemy and resets between hitting diff enemies

[trim badger]

This shit is NOT meh

[unreal nova]

But dueling basically has you poke them one by one.

[trim badger]

It DESTROYS twins, caps and bosses

[tall torrent]

And it doesn’t do enough to change core breakpoints for havoc most of the time anyway

U just get more from crit

[trim badger]

Yes it doesss

Kills bulwarks in 1 less hit I think wa

[past stratus]

I don't use the DS because I like my melee to have good horde clear

[tall torrent]

Yea, doing 2100 vs 2230 in one hit doesn’t change hits to kill vs crushers

[trim badger]

You can already have 20/25% crit base

Relentless is just +50% dmg against monsters

[past stratus]

Does vet even have a good horde clear ranged option?

Is the shotgun good for it?

[trim badger]

Vet needs flamer....

[tall torrent]

Riposte shoots that up to 40-45% and DS has bonkers crit weakspot damage

[halcyon sigil]

cleave stuff is generally good i guess?

[safe kiln]

plasma just cleaves a horde in a straight line

[tall torrent]

“Horde clear ranged” kinda is not a thing outside of psyker

[tall torrent]

It’s aight

I don’t like it still

[halcyon sigil]

its like the main redeeming feature of the heavy recon las from what i read, not that the regular one has much issue chewing up hordes

[past stratus]

yeah that's what I think too, thats why I stopped using the knife even though I love the weapon

[tall torrent]

The stacking mechanism is aids

[final locust]

are the servers down right now or is my internet just shit again

[past stratus]

I can't play with melee weapons that don't do decent horde clear

[halcyon sigil]

have you tried the mkVI?

[steep flower]

I was more thinking if an arc gun like from Jack 3

[trim badger]

idk just give vet a flamethrower

[safe kiln]

otherwise ye ammo issues means its not really worth shooting into hordes to clear them

[trim badger]

:3

[halcyon sigil]

give us a melta gun - somewhere between a plasma gun, shotgun and flamethrower lmao

[steep flower]

Just play zealot like you usually do you bookworm

[halcyon sigil]

let us be jurgen

[trim badger]

Slapping relentless strikes on my zealot ds as well...

Prepare to see beast numbers from now on

[halcyon sigil]

local fanatic gets too good at killing nurgle demons, asked to go join khorne

[past stratus]

also I have a hot take, I kind of liked the heavy sword animations

[steep flower]

You’re not the only one

[past stratus]

I know it is supposed to be a shit weapon but I had fun in my time with it

[unreal nova]

Sus. That's an excessive amount of fun you are having there.

[sonic kayak]

It's not shit, it's just a literal sword

Not a dueling sword disguised as a rapier

A literal sword

[halcyon sigil]

[unreal nova]

Hrm?

[trim badger]

Fatshark, release a rapier skin for duelling sword and my wallet is yours

[past stratus]

I think the problem is that it is not strong enough in Havoc or something, but I had a jolly time with it in Auric 😌

[sonic kayak]

It's serviceable in Havoc, but with Wrath

Armor still takes 3 business days to kill though

Ainz did a run without Rending

I believe Papa Willy uses it regularly

[steep flower]

I do with boltgun

[halcyon sigil]

tbf i think its fine to pass on havoc if a fun build is only good up to maelstrom

[sonic kayak]

Speaking of, pass me that build, would ya? I want to try something new

[steep flower]

Later tonight in the vc i shall share my insight with ya

[sonic kayak]

That's why Ogryn is superior

[past stratus]

so for curio perks do you guys usually go Gunner resistance, Toughness and stamina regen?

[tall torrent]

Stamina regen is best for arb and zealot

[past stratus]

hmm I see I see

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s stamina management is so cooked that you probably would get more mileage out of sprint efficiency than stam regen

Because most of ur stamina usage would come from sprinting

[grand perch]

veteran of the asthma wars we are

and we lost

[tall torrent]

Push attacks are more dependent on your stamina regen delay

Less on your total stamina

[topaz lance]

Is the right WS modifier node good after all????

[orchid hemlock]

It has been the best keystone for like a year now

[grand perch]

he means the subnode

and no not really

very niche uses

[past stratus]

I did not like that node but I'm not that big of a gamer

[trim badger]

Like going stam regen, toughness and combat ability

[past stratus]

Isn't combat ability a bit of an overkill? Shout is already up every 15s or so in real gamer hours

[quiet valley]

Just use Redirect Fire and enjoy unlimited Stam eco

[trim badger]

Gunner res on Vet is kind of useless if you have Iron Will + Close drill order + Confirmed kill + catch a breath

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire is damage

[quiet valley]

Target Down* ig lol

[trim badger]

I mean it saves like 5 seconds

So goes from 30 base to 25 base

I think 5s is worth it even if you fill it up fast with special kills

[grand perch]

a bit of gunner res is never wrong even with all those nodes

[trim badger]

Yeah but sacrificing anything of the other 3 perks feels clunky to me

I mean I already hace 179 toughness base in Havoc 40

[tall torrent]

3.6 at best

[trim badger]

Soooo gunner res isn't gonna do much

[quiet valley]

Imagine not running 9 stam smh

[past stratus]

idk what to do with my curios then

😭

[grand perch]

this is the life

nothing bettah

[trim badger]

x3 +5% Toughness is an easy choice

After that you could combine block cost, Sprint efficiency and stam regen

[tall torrent]

Why block cost lol

[trim badger]

Me personally I just go x3 stam regen cuz I'm already using DS and can dodgeslide and slide heavy movetech

[trim badger]

Felt good for slower weps

[quiet valley]

Block CR is bad math im told

[trim badger]

idk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tall torrent]

Ya it’s just horrible math wise

[quiet valley]

3x toughness, 3x Stam Regen / 1x Sprint Eff (You can flip these if not a Deadshot chad) 2x Gunner Res

Thats usually what I run

[trim badger]

Sorry boys I'm on my way to scream every 10s so my team never dies

[quiet valley]

Just kill specials

[trim badger]

(somehow they still die to gunners anyways)

Ok hot take

Arby players are mostly TRASH on havoc

[quiet valley]

No way the new class that people are learning?

[sudden cedar]

A lot of players are trash on havoc

But all have the potential to learn

[quiet valley]

Although it is impressive how fast some die considering how tanky arby is

[sudden cedar]

Well.. most of them.

[trim badger]

It has been a week already, they have a 100 true level as well, and H40 rank 😭

They shouldn't be this bad

[faint beacon]

Imo Arby is like slightly harder to learn Ogryn on havoc lmao

[past stratus]

is there a barrels no longer toss you across the map into the abyss perk in curios, I need that

[tame lodge]

Blame the stagger

[trim badger]

Yeah that's what I'm going at

[upper dock]

Does anyone know off-hand what the good blessings for the duelling sword are? Precog and reposte or uncanny?

[trim badger]

Uncanny is a must in Havoc

[quiet valley]

I find when I bring Arby and we wipe, im the last up but we are wiping b/c low burst dmg, on usually Bosses/Twins

[sudden cedar]

Uncanny Strike and any of those you mentioned

[trim badger]

Secondary blessing tends to be riposte/shred

[tame lodge]

Uncanny
Precognition
Riposte

In no order

[trim badger]

I'm falling in love with Relentless strikes as a secondary blessing however

Holy moly it's gooddd

[tame lodge]

Relentless might only see proper usage on havoc

[sonic kayak]

You're good

[tame lodge]

On normals

Can't proc on hordes

[upper dock]

And the perks are Flak and Maniac or Flak and Unyielding? I am trying the sword out for the first time

[tame lodge]

DS kills everything big so no uptime

[trim badger]

Ye

This shit allows me to solo twins a lot easier

And the poor caps stand no chance

In havoc it actually has awesome uptime

[tall torrent]

In the next havoc modifier it might not

[trim badger]

Don't tell me it's goo

[tall torrent]

No it’s smth new

[tame lodge]

Next

What do you mean

Next

[trim badger]

Huh???

We getting new modifiers?

[tall torrent]

U can already view it in solo play mod

It’s called warp rift

[trim badger]

What does it do

[tame lodge]

Sounds cool

[trim badger]

I must know tell me what it isss

[tame lodge]

But wait

What do you mean not good uptime on RS

Lowered mass?

Damage cap?

Blessings disabled?

[trim badger]

Enemies teleporting?

That would be the only reasonable explanation of why relentless would not be as good

[quiet valley]

They couldn’t even get the new Maelstrom Modifier to work so I have low hopes tbh

[tame lodge]

Hold on hold on
Enemies split in two at death

[trim badger]

Holy shit Vermintide

[tame lodge]

Am I stupid

Of course it's not going to be this

[sudden cedar]

Blue Horrors of Tzeentch do that. I think.

Could be Pink Horrors instead.

[safe kiln]

Pinks split in 2 blue right

[past stratus]

do you think we will ever get non nurgle related adventures in Darktide? Like V2 had some different enemies in dlcs

[unreal nova]

Might be hard unless 3 way fights can happen.

[arctic rampart]

Soo one one of my baby characters, I did the story stuff and didn't skip. Was enjoyable. But now I don't want to many maps of baby hand holding to even get up to normal damnation. Is there a way to disable baby mode?

[hollow ibex]

go to the barber shop

and pay 50k

and you can opt out

you won't be able to opt back in

[void dragon]

OMG the warp rift is enemies split in lesser enemies, so crushers divide more which divide into more and so on

that is so scary

[trim badger]

You mean the beastmen?

[trim badger]

Is it that confirmed 100%??

[void dragon]

is what is seen in solo play, we would need confirmation that is actually a mode that will be part of rotation by Obesefish

[trim badger]

Nice

Tzeench mutator from VT2

[winged anvil]

Best blessings for a shovel?

[void dragon]

uncanny strike is a must

[hollow ibex]

📌 Pins has all this information and more-- specifically the Hammer of the Emperor guide. It's a bit old, but most of it is still relevant.

[winged anvil]

ok

[tame lodge]

Uncanny Skullcrusher
Uncanny Decimator

[void dragon]

congratulations, your swarm of crushers divided into scrap ragers and maulers, they will also divide into other stuff like gunners

that sounds so easy to get out of control

[halcyon sigil]

they were talking about another hive on atoma that seemed to have a genestealer problem?

[trim badger]

Anything is better than red+purple

xdddd

[halcyon sigil]

could absolutely see them exploring that if they ever want a new faction for us to fight

[void dragon]

doubtfuly, this feels FAR more dangerous, kill a far away enemy and it becomes a gunner army

[halcyon sigil]

especially with all the new stuff necromunda is releasing for its genestealer focused range, GW loves a good product tie in

[trim badger]

I'd assume gunners do spawn after killing a reaper

And killing a gunner could spawn stalkers

[void dragon]

they have a chance on any kill that is big enough

same with fodder gunners

[trim badger]

Oh so it's not related like in Vermintide

It's a completely random ass enemy?

[void dragon]

at least not in the solo play, might be changed once its released tho

[trim badger]

Because in VT2 there's like a chain

[void dragon]

but as it is, you have a chance to get many type of enemies

[arctic rampart]

I didnt see opt out option on barber :\

[hollow ibex]

it's at the very end

after you select all your customization options

[trim badger]

Chaos warrior > Mauler > Madman > Tribal

[hollow ibex]

and get ready to pay

[trim badger]

And then Stormvermin > Monk > rat > slave rat

[void dragon]

would be neat that crushers keep on the theme of armoured enemies till they reach pox walkers

[trim badger]

Well if this is true then it's stupid

If killing a shotgunner could spawn a reaper I'm killing myself

[void dragon]

its also not released, so that's good i think

[void dragon]

i think is always a lesser type of enemy

but sometimes from a melee unit can spawn gunners

[arctic rampart]

mmm I still don't see it, even completed order

[hollow ibex]

weird

thats where it should be...

[arctic rampart]

your sentence is second to last one

then it does your name compelte order

[hollow ibex]

did you pay?

[arctic rampart]

I did twice didnt see the option

[hollow ibex]

its a popup

[arctic rampart]

didnt get pop up

[hollow ibex]

oh

idk then, sorry

i was able to opt out on my arbitrator

[arctic rampart]

no worries. I have to do 4 more malice apparently. and then 5 heresy. etc. Oof lul

[unreal nova]

I think you need an old char made before the patch for it.

[arctic rampart]

it was made before the patch

I opted in though to try the story.. he wasn't level 30 but like 15 or something

[unreal nova]

Before Arby?

[arctic rampart]

yep, finally leveling mah ogryn

[unreal nova]

Then weird. Cos you just need an old lvl 10+ char to get it.

[hollow ibex]

maybe something fugged about this specific combo

[trim badger]

Ok good

[arctic rampart]

Reddit says you have to be level 30. Up to 26 now, so I guess I just need to do like 8 or 10 more snooze fests

[past stratus]

sorry I was making lunch but yeah I think the genestealer cult could be cool to fight off no? In a different hive

[unreal nova]

I guess an old lvl 30 maybe.

[trim badger]

Maybe

As long as it's not like beastmen incident

xdddd

[unreal nova]

Still overtuned karks.

[arctic rampart]

Yeah I mean I skipped the new missions on my vet & zealot. But on da ogryn I wanted to see what they reworked. It was good, but now this uprising => malice => heresy blah blah grind is annoying.

[void dragon]

god im seeing Arbys that do less than their dogos, the Cyber mastiff carry is real!

[unreal nova]

That's on all new chars. Unskippable.

10 damnations in a row fun.

[arctic rampart]

My level teens ogryn I could skip it but he pre-existed

[unreal nova]

Must keep clutching.

All new chars can skip story but difficulty unlocks will still be applied.

Need to win and grind it up.

[arctic rampart]

Stupid obese fish!

I guess if I had any friends in game I could skip to damnation at least

[tall torrent]

Killed enemies split into 2 other enemies

[arctic rampart]

But all my friends quit this game forever ago lul

[tame lodge]

You pay 12 bucks for the dog

[trim badger]

Ok so tzeench modifier from vt2

[tame lodge]

The human accompanying it you wish you could throw away

[tall torrent]

A killed captain can spawn 2 daemon hosts

[tame lodge]

I'd say
Called it
But that was easy to deduct

https://tenor.com/view/buzzfeed-unsolved-shane-ryan-dumb-gif-25284802

[unreal nova]

WTF?

[steep flower]

I remember the lil funny when if you killed a loot rat you spawned 2 rat ogres

[trim badger]

Ah, this is just like sack rats spawning 2 rat ogres LOL

[steep flower]

Ahh fun times

[void dragon]

and the Veteran rework i guess

[trim badger]

Dlc costs 7.5$ in my region

[void dragon]

im definely giving up on Combat shotguns, they just dont feel good, no matter the build i always feel that im giving up far too much, even compared to a bolt pistol

[thorn lark]

And the bleed DMG is not even counted apparently (scoreboard cannot track it)

[void dragon]

so they are absolutely crushing me on my psyker, that sucks, not even Pub Ogryns were capable to do that consistently

i feel so noob now

[thorn lark]

You should not

[void dragon]

but i do

[thorn lark]

Just go fgs + bolt puncture and show them the combination of special + dot

[void dragon]

That with Vent is the combo i used

[thorn lark]

[tame lodge]

I thought Syllo and company managed to make the bleed be tracked on the scoreboard or something

Idk

Ask them on #psyker-class

[void dragon]

its the one build i was besting them in damage, but if bleed is not counted...

[thorn lark]

That was specifically for the bleed of the dog

[tame lodge]

[thorn lark]

Dorn said it was not counted as an attack instance

"it isn't a damage event" is the actual quote

actual explanation here

[halcyon sigil]

thats wild

[tame lodge]

So the broken bleed

Is not broken because it doesn't interact with player buffs

And it's going to be more broken

If it did

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[halcyon sigil]

i mean just the fact it inflicts bleed just from running around is just a bit excessive

[thorn lark]

it benefits zealots and ogryns

I mean the ones still playing

[tame lodge]

It's also 8 or 16 stacks

It's Pulverize Bullrush

Or

Bloodletter

[halcyon sigil]

serrated blade could never

[tame lodge]

It's better than pulverize

Because pulv is 5 stacks

[arctic rampart]

Good god nexus mods is slowwww today

[livid hill]

I love vet but god it needs a rework bad. There's no reason for the tree to have so many stat nodes and to be so spread apart. I hope when it gets its rework it's as compact and versatile as ogryn or arbites bc, while you CAN and I have made fun and good builds with it, it's just so limiting.

And like not to mention that the leftmost purple talent (cant remember what its called) is just straight up useless and runs counter to how this game plays

You can not slow down in this game guys who thought of that

[void dragon]

MarksManFocus, that really feels like a chore more than a keystone

[tame lodge]

You don't have to

It's a keystone that rewards hitting heads

[void dragon]

you tecnically CAN stand still and do gunning sometimes, and when you headshot you dont need to

[tame lodge]

You even have a modifier that replenishes stamina

[void dragon]

but is so annoying when it also doesnt reward kills

[tame lodge]

You can run and gun with it

[grand perch]

yeah fuck you modifiers

[tame lodge]

Literally

[past stratus]

Just keep hitting headshots while doing everything else in the game that you have a keystone :D

[grand perch]

pus hardened and tox bomber and healing

[tame lodge]

Then the real problem shows up

Funnels you into a shooting build

[void dragon]

Ew pox gas AND pus-hard

[tame lodge]

Doesn't synergize with most weapons

[livid hill]

Vet is also quite fragile in my experience if you take anything other than voice of command (which is boring and a lil op tbph) i use pretty much only exec stance for that reason. So encouraging the player to slow down with one of the keystone talents makes it uber dangerous

[past stratus]

MMF is a lot of work for not a lot of benefits.

[void dragon]

yeah, for a keystone you can quite often find 0 benefits

[halcyon sigil]

tbf it was written when people didnt go through missions nearly as fast and running into walls of shooters would stop the team cold... based on a pre class tree perk that was all about sitting in the corner letting other people deal with melee

[grand perch]

mmf has huge benefits for finesse ranged weapons

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[grand perch]

its just a major pain in the ass to keep up

[tame lodge]

Don't know from where you guys are taking "no benefits" from

That's kinda crazy

[void dragon]

it might be me dumb brain not used to sniper work, so i always aim to center of mass of body, where you aim with a sniper rifle irl

[halcyon sigil]

mhm, the complaints about vet keystones were always more about keeping uptime than what they actually did while active

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah
This reminded me of the hit reg on this game

[halcyon sigil]

in the situations theyre designed for they absolutely make a difference

[livid hill]

See but it depletes on moving and also has a talent that replenishes it when youre crouching so I disagree.

Also i feel like the focus on headshots kinda sucks tbh? Like headshots are quite hard to hit on the move and they should be rewarded but 1. They should be very strongly rewarded, like, you replenish 50% toughness or something. And 2. keystones are meant to be like, not op, but they're supposed to tie your build together in a neat little bow to my understanding and this just doesn'f if you are not a god who can magically constantly hit headshots

[past stratus]

Idk where the others take theirs, I take mine from the fact that the keystone is hard as fuck to play in a game that is super fast paced. I am not good enough to make use of this keystone, I admire you if you are. If you can upkeep MMF you shouldn't use any other keystone

[void dragon]

who has time to click heads on the swarm of pox walkers when there is a river of them?

[tame lodge]

It has a safe guard of 3 to 6 seconds after headshots

[livid hill]

But also like. Sliding and dodging makes u practically immune to ranged damage for a little bit. Idk

[halcyon sigil]

funnily enough it works really well with recon lasgun because you can hit headshots with sheer probability while aiming vaguely at head height

[grand perch]

nope it really doesnt

it really really doesnt

you have a finesse modifier of 1.3

[tame lodge]

To say "it depletes of movement" is partial omission of information

[grand perch]

abysmal

[halcyon sigil]

the uptime i mean, i dont use recon lasguns

[grand perch]

use FT with recon

[void dragon]

recon has no crit mod worth using the MMF

[grand perch]

oh yeah thats fair

[tame lodge]

See

Doesn't synergize with most weapons

[safe kiln]

IAGs maybe?

just spray and pray at head height

[void dragon]

infantry autoguns, vigilant, helbore

[grand perch]

vraks IAG gets lotsa damage from MMF

[void dragon]

what else works?

[grand perch]

finesse stat and all

[safe kiln]

my one mmf build runs the vraks iag

[grand perch]

helbore's great, ILAS if youre up for a challenge

even shredder AP is kinda funny since they buffed finesse modifier to 1.6

with MMF

[tame lodge]

Yeah but you're bracing

Not really the most accurate

[past stratus]

Pretty sure that if you can consistently hit headshots enough to maintain mmf during every engagement, you become a helbore god. And that's what you should be doing

[tame lodge]

For heads

[grand perch]

nah its just a funny build

though with exec hitting heads isnt hard on shredder

[livid hill]

Ig. But again idk i feel like headshots should have a much more immediate and larger reward than marksman does bc its a keystone and headshots are hard in this game.

Also kinda the reason why imo infantry and helbore lasguns are really hard to make work, bc focusing on headshots is hard when you are always on the move and all of your enemies are too.

In my unprofessional opinion I think that the helbore/infantry lasguns should either do more body damage or should basically be a guaranteed kill on headshots for most human sized enemies in order to be like, good. And not just "i can make this work if i really try hard" good, but like people choose it for reasons other than krieg cosplays

[void dragon]

its so criminal that they released a class that is so comparable to Veteran when it feels this crappy, specially since the concept for a rework for it is so far away

[grand perch]

headshots arent hard if youre on mouse and keyboard

heck a lot of targets stand still for you

[livid hill]

This is not my experience

[past stratus]

That helbore does very respectable damage in body shots

[livid hill]

Not true

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEoZID8VpUI not hard for me

[livid hill]

The only ones that do are like. Maulers and gunners, which do so only when they're spraying death all over you and you need to move out of the way

[void dragon]

meanwhile the flamer just cassually accelerating and breaking at inhuman speed for no gosh darned reason

[livid hill]

Yeah okay dude we get it your cock is huge and ur a god good for you but I'm not

[safe kiln]

just use cover, pop exec, and jiggle peek while preaimed on the mostly stationary gunners and reapers :>

[halcyon sigil]

a wall of gunners standing still is a dream for the Ilas, just take the ghost blessing and they can piss back at you all they like

[livid hill]

This assumes that there are literally only gunners

[grand perch]

see? i even hit your weakspot

[halcyon sigil]

not really, for reference i actually run the lasgun

[livid hill]

Yeah this works if your team is covering your back and protecting you from melee enemies but that is rare and unreliable

[safe kiln]

I mean shredders will clear an area around you for a while

or you can use pushes to make some space

[halcyon sigil]

you can dodge while aiming down sights tbf, there are audio cues that tell you when to do it and the sway is pretty predictable to get used to lining up shots with

if something worse than basic chaff units is coming at you then you should probably be transitioning to melee anyway

[livid hill]

I don't know what situations you're running into then but they aren't mine. In my experience you need to defend yourself against shitloads of melee enemies while gunners are threatening to either kill you or your team. Maybe I just play with undisciplined people but I've never really felt like it was ever safe to just leisurely shoot at the gunners.

[halcyon sigil]

my experience is knee deep in hordes at maelstrom

[safe kiln]

well if you're getting shot at by gunners while fighting a horde

you need to reposition

[livid hill]

But then what about when there are ALSO gunners???

[safe kiln]

or temporarily clear the horde enemies off you so you can shoot them

with grenades

[livid hill]

Yes but you can't dodge forever

[safe kiln]

or ask for a psyker bubble so you can keep having poor positioning and not get punished lol

[livid hill]

Yeah grenades certainly help but they can't reliably kill maulers or ragers or crushers, only hordes

[halcyon sigil]

prioritise targets, think about the lines of sight and consider what threats can be handled better by your teammates, you should be sticking close to atleast one other guy

[safe kiln]

two shredders will kill anything short of a crusher

[livid hill]

What do you mean poor positioning?

[safe kiln]

with uncanny it can probably kill crushers

if you're getting shot at

reposition

so you arent getting shot at

sometimes you can't and that's where psyker bubble and smokes come in

[halcyon sigil]

if you can duck behind cover to handle melee while the gunners turn the other side of the wall to slag then do so, if your team is in the melee with you keep focusing gunners... and also yeah grenades can always be relied on to make space in an emergency

[livid hill]

Completely wrong I'm not gonna lie. I've thrown 3 shredders into hordes before and there are still loads of ragers and maulers left behind

[safe kiln]

it'll take time for the bleed to kill them but it will lmao

[livid hill]

But then what about the loads of guys coming at you???

[safe kiln]

you fight them while in cover?

[livid hill]

"It'll take time" is absolutely not enough

I can be killed in like, a second flat by a mauler or a rager ESPECIALLY when they catch me off guard

[safe kiln]

im sorry but this just sounds like you don't have enough hours in the game and still need to practice on your fundamental mechanics

[livid hill]

Grenades can and do, yes, but like, they aren't an end all be all solution, and also if you use them constantly then you're not always gonna have some even with the regen perk

Also again, I can literally never rely on my team to protect me so I can safely snipe gunners. I'm not exaggerating at all, that's literally just never happened for me as far as I could tell

[tame lodge]

Helbore meets headshots breakpoints all around
I don't think you realized that yet

I do understand the body shot parts though

[livid hill]

?

[livid hill]

I have 400 hours

[tame lodge]

Yeah Helbores has guaranteed headshot kills already

[livid hill]

Then you're not shooting the gunners are you???

[tame lodge]

Because they just hit that hard

[livid hill]

Ohhh, huh

[safe kiln]

you dont need to be shooting the gunners if they aren't shooting you

[livid hill]

Ig I was just using bad ones

[livid hill]

But what if they are???

[safe kiln]

you reposition

so they cant

[tame lodge]

Helbore 4 has the highest damage per shot on the game

3 is the all arounder

5 is weaker but charges faster

Body shots are indeed weak af

[livid hill]

But also no, not true. They can be shooting at other people and they still need to die

[tame lodge]

But surgical helps with that

[halcyon sigil]

you can afford to eat some toughness damage if it means you can get to cover, sliding and dodging can throw off gunners aim too to minimise incoming hits (theres actually an achievement for doing so), and also if you are stuck in a thick group of enemies they do actually work to absorb some incoming fire too

[safe kiln]

there's target priority, if you can't shoot the gunners immediately because there're melee enemies on your ass, then you reposition so the gunners cannot shoot you or use CC tools like shout or shredders to temporariily prevent said melee enemies from hitting you while you shoot gunners

[livid hill]

Also like, to fight things like ragers and stuff you need to move around a lot, especially if youre not just shooting them which is what i see most people do. So like. Idk, its hard to stay in cover when you're being chased

[cloud thunder]

Classic example of having X amount of hours doesn’t mean you’re good.

[livid hill]

Okay I see, but like, cover can't always be relied upon.

Idk I literally cannot ever catch a breath for long enough to snipe gunners and all that

[halcyon sigil]

same principles of evasion work for kiting ragers tbf, dodging backwards while shooting them or otherwise turning and sliding away can keep space and keep you hard to hit by ranged enemies

[safe kiln]

this is rarely ever true in aurics. If you're really caught out between a gunner wall and a horde coming from behind, then that's the time to dump resources and either push the gunner wall or fight through the horde back into cover

[halcyon sigil]

its hard to give you definitive answers because its situational responses to situations, based on what threats youre aware of and knowledge of the environment from situational awareness

[safe kiln]

you don't want to be sitting with your backs to a gunner wall while fighting a horde in the open

[livid hill]

Ah okay, I see.

No thats true

[livid hill]

This is generally what I do anyways

[halcyon sigil]

at the end of the day the tools to respond are determined by your build, if you think its not doing something right you can see if you cant rebuild it

[safe kiln]

a wall of gunners having free LoS to you is the time to start dumping resources to be out of their LoS

[livid hill]

This is definitely true. I think I get what you mean now you're right

[livid hill]

I'm not saying necessarily if i'm good or bad because that's not something I can accurately tell you but I do objectively understand how this game works. If I didn't then I wouldn't... like... win.

[safe kiln]

it's a situational thing

if you can escape gunner LoS by just sliding

then that's great

if you can't, you really don't want to be caught in the open by gunners

[halcyon sigil]

the ability for pox walkers to john cena you aside, every enemy in the room with you came from somewhere and so did you, if you came from somewhere you can fall back or atleast push to somewhere the enemy is not, especially when there should be 3 other rejects to considate wiht

[grand pumice]

I have a query for the vets out here for I have an itch that needs to be scratched. My old Vet build has been disintegrated which makes me very sad cause it was a super fun Combat Blade + Recon lasgun build using infiltrate. It has been so long since I saw it last so I tried to remake it best as I could which probably isnt good at all and Im looking for tips and adjustments to recapture that feel again

[grand perch]

holy point tax batman

[hollow ibex]

He’s a good citizen and paying ALL the taxes

[halcyon sigil]

gtg but consolidated Psykkopomps pics for easier critique

[tame lodge]

Unfortunately

You didn't pick Precision Strikes

So I must call it bad build

Sorry for that

[safe kiln]

avoided the crit on dodge node too

[halcyon sigil]

good luck man

[tame lodge]

Ok so

[livid hill]

Idk you're right. I still don't feel like the helbore and infantry las are like, AMAZING weapons that I could reliably use but I do see the merits if you're really really good and have a good sense of situational awareness. Sorry if I came off as rude btw I have nothing against you.

[tame lodge]

Picked grenade buffs

But no grenade replenish talents

[safe kiln]

all good. They are by no means easy weapons to play

[serene bough]

Wtf

[livid hill]

This conversation has made me realise I have a weird myopic obsession with gunners lmao

[serene bough]

I like to shoot my lasgun at gunners because I like popping heads 🙂

Is fun

[livid hill]

I like to as well

[safe kiln]

yeah focusing them when you have enemies on actively fighting you isn't always a good idea, but neither is letting them shoot you for free

[livid hill]

Yee

But yeah psykko grenade regen is literally indispensable tbh I think all vet builds need them

[safe kiln]

at minimum take the 60s grenade regen, demolition stockpile

demo team scales better the higher difficulty you are

also covering fire isn't very good because it doesnt apply to yourself

[tame lodge]

Alright
It would take forever to explain things and roast your build but I don't got the time

So have these instead

[grand pumice]

i would prefer less roasting and more constructive criticism but I appreciate the reticence

[tame lodge]

🫡

[grand pumice]

Thank you sire

[livid hill]

does anyone know how to post these big talent tree thingies? I've never bothered putting my builds out there but now Im curious

[grand pumice]

^

[halcyon sigil]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[livid hill]

tanks

[halcyon sigil]

to explain a few changes suggested on that recommended tree,

• the bit reaching out to the left branch of the tree at the end is about ammo sustainability and melting through elite/special enemies better
• the 3 nodes in down the middle branch are about toughness management, with the node further up giving you regenerating grenades
• the path towards the weapon specialist keystone is about getting the most efficient boost to your melee along the way while not splurging

[safe kiln]

you could also path for onslaught for the recon but that requires sacrificing in other areas

[halcyon sigil]

oh and the difference between the two trees is choosing what toughness regen you want to path for at the start, regen big toughness on killing elites/specials or regen small toughness on every kill

[livid hill]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f4fd1a0-7d94-4f6f-a2b4-3f9f9f5741e3/build-15?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

tell me what u guys think if you have thoughts. the basic idea is running around the place providing suppressive fire but also not immediately die in melee

but also no i will not part with the shovel.

[safe kiln]

is that the og shovel or one of the folding shovels i dont remember, if og shovel i might take uncanny instead of hammerblow unless hammerblow hits a stagger point

[livid hill]

the folding shovel

i like it for killing crushers and muties

[safe kiln]

dont need supression immunity with exec tbh

[livid hill]

i mean the spread on the lasgun is already kinda bad so I'm a little afraid to not have it

[grand perch]

exec cancels suppression

[safe kiln]

^

[livid hill]

ehhh fairr i guesssss

my thinking was I'm not always in suppression, so.

in exec*

[mortal aspen]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ee36473-7a45-464c-bba7-af3476e951c5/recon-lasgun-veteran-current

What's a good replacement for DS in this build?

[safe kiln]

exec stance has a very short cooldown and with tactical awarness you'll probably have very low downtime

thrust + uncanny can be a bit difficult to fully make use of thrust stacks while maintaining uncanny stacks

also replace headhunter with dumdum

[halcyon sigil]

can always give it a try, dropped it for my inf las build recently and it still holds up, any point you can save on the vet tree will go a long way

[livid hill]

me or gachi?

[livid hill]

true

[livid hill]

I liked the synergy between it and infernus and shock trooper, plus it sorta encouraged me to like, make my aim better. ig dumdum is probably better for most situations though

[safe kiln]

Gachi

[livid hill]

ohhh okay

what should I replace suppression immunity with? marksman maybe?

[mortal aspen]

oh, so it was me you were replying to

well, I don't wanna use DS at all, what's a good alternative? Taxe?

[livid hill]

okay ik u werent talking to me but I personally would suggest combat knife. It's got a lot of mobility like duelling sword and its also fun

[safe kiln]

if you want a mobility stick, knife

I havent played the postbuff taxe yet so not going to comment on it

[halcyon sigil]

superiority complex would be a good choice for melting elites better

[livid hill]

aight

[mortal aspen]

hmm. and if not knife, what's the next option?

also, what about swapping the middle nodes for Weapon Specialist?

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/tag-gif-367413152327750712

It's Power Sword 6

Then Rashad Combat Axe

Everything else won't compete

[halcyon sigil]

become a shovel memer

embrace the trenches

[mortal aspen]

alright, thanks

true

[grand pumice]

word. And for my weapon set up, im using what i was rocking last i played vet around the time the death cult outfits were in the commodores vestures i think. Combat Blade MK VI and a Recon Lasgun XIV
knife has executor and riposte 4
lasgun has Infernus 3 and DumDum 4. Working on mastery since this was before that. any more comments concerns criticisms about the weapons?

[halcyon sigil]

cant comment on the gun but for the knife id definitely recommend Uncanny strike since its far more valuable against carapace heads than executor, which is typically the targets id be most worried about when running a lasgun

also perhaps consider trying precognition instead of riposte, if youre used to dodging all the time it will have good uptime regardless of the short duration and the 60% finesse damage buff is imo more potent and reliable than trying to fish for crits

[grand pumice]

precog and uncanny, 10-4

[hollow ibex]

Taxe is very good

[mortal aspen]

It's a shame Taxe doesn't have uncanny

I'm not sure if it can deal with cara?

[hollow ibex]

Would be insane if they did

[hollow ibex]

The def can

[mortal aspen]

hmm

something like Relentless Strikes and +Cara damage?

[tame lodge]

Tactical Axes are dogshit

Anyways

Critical hits

So shred and whatever CRIT chance you get from the tree

Because you'll need your perks for another armor type

[heavy rover]

power sword maybe?

[nimble wadi]

This might be a dumb question but are krak grenades viable in havoc

I haven’t really used them

[heavy rover]

not really, they take too long to detonate and they don't have much of a radius

either shredders for crowd control or smokes to protect your team from ranged

[hollow ibex]

Yes at havoc 15 and below

[nimble wadi]

I usually do shredders

[unreal nova]

Anything is viable then.

[livid hill]

what about punch only knife

[mortal aspen]

is it good vs armor? my understanding is that Recon Las is good vs everything that's not armored, so you want something that kills poxwalkers and armor

[leaden condor]

Wish vet had more unique ranged weapons, like a melta or grenade launcher

[unreal nova]

I mean, you have 3 other ppl doing things.

[livid hill]

what about only punch only knife and push only laspistol team

:)

[safe kiln]

Knife is decent into armor and also alright at horde clear

[unreal nova]

I'm hearing 4 oggies, so should be fine.

[safe kiln]

Power sword 6 has the crusher two hit push attack combo and good horde clear but suffers from horrendous dodges and mobility

[mortal aspen]

you sold me on the crusher two-hit

[safe kiln]

Well it’s only up to damnation breakpoints

[mortal aspen]

I understand. But it's good damage nonetheless

breakpoints shmeakpoints

[unreal nova]

Havoc doesn't have breakpoints, you just hit till dead.

[safe kiln]

U kinda need bruiser breakpoints for brutal momentum weapons

At least

[tame lodge]

Tactical Axe 4 heavies are 100 damage off Bruisers on weakspot

Unless they crit

[torn gorge]

just crit

its that simple

[orchid hemlock]

Hey don't underestimate nuking build for bosses

[steep flower]

@sonic kayak OI; I can play & show ya that build

[thorn lark]

With flak and unarmored?

[tame lodge]

That

Or the alternative

Maniacs Carapace

[thorn lark]

If you take fire team, and the two melee DMG node you're still not reaching it?

[frank basin]

Without

[tropic notch]

Everything is viable in havoc even melee psyker with tac axe, gaze, and assail

[marble bridge]

that’s a name i haven’t seen in forever

hi fyre

[hasty pasture]

instantly kicked from the party

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342021540702715904/1390591759490482328/hav40_melee_psyker.png?ex=686979bf&is=6868283f&hm=223f685ed968d80a1ff2bbb1fc7fc5359206bbbc49bab301dec041f733a5993b&

Besides dying to a double burster it’s was a good run lol

[hasty pasture]

not saying its bad but it is painful

[tropic notch]

Not really

Unless it’s rampaging

You just gotta smack until success

Same thing with encroaching garden

Trauma staff with blazing spirit and perilous combustion helps

[open ravine]

Don't worry the worst death is when you are fighting enemies in melee next to a death drop and your teammate shots a barrel next to you

[past stratus]

I have something scandalous to say, although the Plasma gun is strong it is unwieldly and not fun to play.

thx for reading.

[hollow ibex]

i think you'll find a lot of people here who think plasma is unfun lol

[halcyon sigil]

i think the only solution is for FS to nerf it

[unreal nova]

Old news. I hate it and hellbore for being that.

I like quick draw fast fire types.

[past stratus]

I love helbore, do not like plasma :(

[unreal nova]

The concept is different and same in the way I hate it. Both require head aiming accuracy with a delay before firing.

The delay is what gets me.

Considering revolver is fine.

[open ravine]

Nah plasma needs a rework bring up to par with other class exclusive weapons and balance them to those

Other class exclusive are fun and easy to use while vet gets a weapon which requires a lot of learning to enjoy and then they auto win because it just does everything great and if it's just nerfed it will just be a weapon you have to make yourself enjoy

[tame lodge]

Are we talking about the same plasma

The M1 plasma never m2

Plasma

That plasma

The incomparable plasma?

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-kuzco-emperors-new-groove-disney-poison-gif-17585271

[open ravine]

If I had to rework plasma I would make it a bit like hellbore if they are gonna keep the delayed shot mechanic

1. Make non braced chargeable with charge changing the the cleave and damage but it can't get huge cleave and damage as you can't overheat in this mode
2. Brace leave as it but maybe increase impact damage on non cleavable enemies
3. Give updated blessings

[dapper plank]

cleave dmg at 60 is terrible right. 0 use?

i assume cleave dmg is very high value (power sword)

[dapper plank]

i love both hellbore and plasma

i just spam plasma at high heat, and try to keep it hot. will sometimes charge a big hit to oneshot fatties

[tame lodge]

Cleave DAMAGE is really important

Cleave TARGETS

Is the dump stat you want

[dapper plank]

is that literally 0 value for power sword? does it have infinite cleave?

[tame lodge]

It doesn't

Psword max cleave is 11.7

At 60% you get 10.9

[dapper plank]

and hitting 11 targets, how often does that happen

[tame lodge]

If you have 11 groaners

[open ravine]

Often enough on higher difficulties

[tame lodge]

Or

Sunder

Sunder is 400% cleave

[open ravine]

Like you gonna have to get through the trash to hit the important target hiding among them

[tame lodge]

But we only use sunder on mk3

[shut oriole]

Hello

What is a good place to look for talent and weapon build for vet?

for 2025

[hollow ibex]

HOTE guide in the pins is still mostly up to date

though doesn't have example builds

if you want builds, you can just ask here

[orchid hemlock]

We can roast your build if you like 😈

[shut oriole]

Ok thank you, it looks very detailed. I'll read through it.

[shut oriole]

😄

[hollow ibex]

that ended well last time

[shut oriole]

I did start playing 5 days ago so it's probably crap

[open ravine]

YouTube if you want something meta but if you just looking for different build games lantern is where builds are posted

[hollow ibex]

green lantern?

but i'd avoid both YT and gameslantern

[orchid hemlock]

YouTube

[hollow ibex]

there's a lot of bullshit being peddled on both sites

if you want a simple starter build, try this one
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f1c57f4-d600-4673-9d86-d7895f39af23/fresh-corpsestarch

[orchid hemlock]

Games lantern is misinformation central change my mind

[hollow ibex]

it's incredible how even the top arbites build on gameslantern, a class where it's nearly impossible to fuck up a build, is suboptimal

the dumbest shit gets upvoted to the top of that site

[orchid hemlock]

I saw my build get top of the list for a while 💀

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f31fc04-4726-4b02-97df-2dc5b7cfbbe9/arbiter-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Unfortunately I couldn't compete with the YouTube clickbait style builds 😞

[hollow ibex]

no longer top because it's too credible

[orchid hemlock]

META EXTREME EXTERMINATUS BUILD FOR GIGA CHADS.EXE!!!?!!!😭👏👏👏👏

[normal bay]

(Shroud, knife zealot)

[fading yarrow]

Tried to give Helbore another whirl. Still Helbore (bad)

Handles better tho

[orchid hemlock]

Hellbore is probably one of the best weapons on Havoc ATM

The problem is that it's hard to use

[mortal aspen]

is it better than plasma in ideal conditions? they feel like fairly similar weapons with plasma being easier to use (hipfire vs ads)

[orchid hemlock]

Hellbore is extremely ammo efficient and doesn't require large investment in the tree to function

[sonic kayak]

Sorry for the super late reply; You're probably asleep, so next time

[halcyon sigil]

what FOVs do yall prefer?

[fading yarrow]

Max

Unless you're on PC in which case, uh

Yes

Mine is 117 and 85 on Xbox

[sonic kayak]

Same

[fading yarrow]

Pretty comfortable

[sonic kayak]

I mean on PC

My FoV is yes

[fading yarrow]

[unreal nova]

More like, if you have a fanbase, it gets upvoted.

[elder vessel]

gonna unironically bring smokes to a public game

[tame lodge]

H97°
V61°

[elder vessel]

whatever is max

[upper dock]

Does Onslaught on the right side of the tree effect guns as well? Woudln't that make guns like the recon super powerful against tougher targets?

[safe kiln]

yes

[unreal nova]

Yes, but it's meh. You don't wanna shoot crushers.

Unless you are playing uprising or malice.

[safe kiln]

it lets you touch carapace, not recommended to magdump every crusher in existence though

[marble bridge]

it’s pretty decent on crushers with recon

[unreal nova]

The idea is you don't want to shoot armour unless you have to, and at that point it's better to bolter which won't work as well with onslaught due to max clip.

[marble bridge]

yea

but on recon you just shoot everything with it and if you've a free point (which i do on my alt build for fireteam) its like 1 point to let me kill crushers

[safe kiln]

shooting everything will work up to auric

[unreal nova]

You still don't, unless you are that arsehole teammate that gobbles all the ammo on the map.

[marble bridge]

i dont literally mean shoot everything (you have a melee for a reason) but like,, with recon you dont really discriminate what you target with it as much as you might with other stuff

[elder vessel]

with recon you don't really think at all you just kinda aim and squeeze

[marble bridge]

yea like i get like 180 bullets per tin once crit gets calced in

and its like 10 per scab gunner and maybe like 40 per crusher

[unreal nova]

Just tell me, do you generally take more than 25% of the map's ammo to feed it?

[marble bridge]

not really

i start with like 1200 rounds and end with less than a mag generally

[unreal nova]

This isn't counting stacks for reasons. You might get more if there's a staffker or some more melee focused players. But it's still a bad habit to build in the long run.

[tame lodge]

And vraks5
And braced autos

But it's not really worth it

Just use your melee lol

[marble bridge]

is vrak5 what the old columnus became

[tame lodge]

Yes

Old Columnus became Vraks

Old Graia became Columnus

[marble bridge]

weird

[tame lodge]

FS took the name of the meta iag

And gave it to the worst Iag

Surely that didn't troll players

[fading yarrow]

Fellas. I require counsel of impeccable taste

Adept Stane.

Wood or woodn't?

The fun lady who hangs around the mission board

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/whothefuckstartsaconversation-gif-22983824

https://tenor.com/view/i-mean-its-alright-gif-26963792

Nice hair

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/uhm-meeting2-hmm-meeting-hmm-pepe-pepe-meeting-gif-18064240235739253690

[tame lodge]

Cool mask

Not the best drip

Kinda flatty

But I guess every woman

No exception

In 40k is flat

[fading yarrow]

FatShark reconning boobs is the true taste of the grim darkness of the far future

Sefoni single-handedly holds the monopoly

[tame lodge]

At the cost of her thighs caveing in

[junior grail]

When did that start happening?

I remember getting into 40K and there were beautiful busty hard-core women

[frank basin]

quality of AI

[tame lodge]

Copied from vt2

But wtf

[mortal aspen]

when the Woke Tide engulfed us all

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-over-it's-gif-3551756699416095564

(fatshark doesn't know how to make good looking women, idk why)

[tough tiger]

(They're swedes)

[tame lodge]

Seems like a good strategy to speed up characters modelling

Just use the same body type bruv

[unreal nova]

(I don't think the males look great as well... Unless you mean ogryns.)

[unreal nova]

Annoys some people though. Unless they plan on making it Asian chars.

[nimble wadi]

WHY ARE YOU TAKING NOTES

[mortal aspen]

there are a lot of badass looking male faces tho

[nimble wadi]

Taking notes sucks

[fading yarrow]

Why aren't you

[nimble wadi]

It’s one of the worst things you can do

It kills the environment

You chop down the rainforest

[fading yarrow]

Good

[nimble wadi]

wtf

[fading yarrow]

I personally mulch 100 acres of rainforest whenever I see environmental protestors throw soup around art galleries

[nimble wadi]

Also your art looks fantastic btw!!!

[fading yarrow]

🙏 Ty kindly

[nimble wadi]

What if they threw soup on Andy Warhol’s soup art

[fading yarrow]

Then I mulch Andy

[barren nimbus]

what havoc 40 bolt pistol perks do I run

is unarmoured important

[unreal nova]

Pretty sure just standard flak maniac lethal puncture.

[barren nimbus]

I have deadly accurate, does that only work if I get a crit and a headshot

[tame lodge]

Yes

[unreal nova]

Yep.

[fading yarrow]

Deadly Accurate is best paired with Surgical

[barren nimbus]

wow thats dumb

[unreal nova]

Or WS first shot.

[fading yarrow]

Since Surgical gives you crit chance up to 100% just by aiming for two or three seconds

Also what kinda build are you running?

If it's frags, go with Lethal Proximity like Karien said

[final locust]

servers dead or something?

[unreal nova]

Lethal prox and puncture if frags spamming tbh.

[heavy rover]

has anyone looked into whether the amount of charge in helbore shots is linear with the damage output?

[barren nimbus]

I kinda hate the bolt pistol

who came up with its recoil jittering shit

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/goblin-slayer-stressed-priestess-anime-you-get-used-to-it-gif-13752108

[sonic kayak]

It's part animation, part engine behavior, according to FatShark

[hollow ibex]

and missing key breakpoints on vet unless you torch your build by picking up ES/ES-related nodes

bistol feels a lot better on arbi

[barren nimbus]

everything feels better on arby

might as well give it the plasma gun

[fading yarrow]

The boltgun has the same recoil issues so I mainly use it on boss-killing builds that I don't need to aim with

[unreal nova]

Gotta ads, shoot, un-ads, ads, shoot, un-ads, rinse and repeat.

[fleet cloud]

whats th emeta builds for veteran rn?

[hollow ibex]

fatshart: write that down, write that down!

[hollow ibex]

typically survivalist (or close and kill), voice of command and weapon specialist

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f1c57f4-d600-4673-9d86-d7895f39af23/fresh-corpsestarch

something like this

[unreal nova]

Not revolver though if you plan to go to havoc.

[fleet cloud]

buddy of mine is a BIG veteran fan, and the buil he used to run seems to be shooting glitter

[hollow ibex]

vet's in a terrible spot overall

[fading yarrow]

Do it, run revolver in Havoc.
Go, kill a True Survivor run

[unreal nova]

Like, I think Vet might need the rework first. At least Zealot is generally better, though more boring build layout.

[fading yarrow]

I hope Vet gets a rework before the new weapon tbh

[unreal nova]

Vet just has too many trash nodes and taxes.

[fading yarrow]

I'm a boring kinda guy so I enjoy the Survivalist, Shout, Focus Target mag dumping but it does get a little stale sometimes

I long to be able to mess around like Ogryn and Arbites

[little path]

I like to play vet in lower havoc and auric with exec stance

[unreal nova]

Too much taxes to have fun. Minmaxxing only or you do kark all.

[austere mica]

I will only play weapon spec builds

[little path]

high havocs I just run... anyone else

I really wish they inversed the way the lucius charged

Instead of holding to charge

[unreal nova]

Need 5 more points...

[little path]

it starts at max charge and each shot puts it back to low charge