veteran-class

[tall torrent]

Because you had overkill damage (it was a kill shot)

[tropic notch]

Hmmm today I will tell the vid guide creator his wrong

Crazy

[frank basin]

that path

[barren nimbus]

so do you agree, that if I had a 25% bonus damage, I would deal 2400 damage

[tall torrent]

No

[barren nimbus]

how?

[tall torrent]

Because damage is additive bracket and you already had other damage bonuses in effect

Let’s say you did 2k with 10% ranged damage and superiority complex

[barren nimbus]

im just going to put unyielding on

[frank basin]

you believe there diminish value?

[barren nimbus]

I have like 30k gold

[tall torrent]

Your base damage would be 2k/1.25

Which is ~1.6k

[narrow widget]

whatd you spend all your dockets on

[tall torrent]

Then u add all the damage bonuses together

[barren nimbus]

plasma guns

[narrow widget]

[frank basin]

you gamble it

[tall torrent]

10% ranged damage, superiority complex, bring it down

Which is +45% damage

[narrow widget]

put it all on red

[tall torrent]

Then 1.6k x(1+45%) = 2.3k

It’s not gonna be 2.4k

[frank basin]

is people rounding up

[tall torrent]

Unyielding damage is a different damage bonus bracket from +damage

[frank basin]

they do that make look better

[tall torrent]

No they just don’t understand how damage is calculated

[frank basin]

they are not mathician

[barren nimbus]

Imagine I am shooting a gunner with 2400 hp

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t take a mathematician to figure out all of that

[frank basin]

you are the only one

[low oar]

I'm going to make a new vet soon
Should it be "Cadia-Crouches" or "CadiaLightlyJogs"?

[frank basin]

Cadian.exe

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s still not gonna 1 tap a Dreg gunner lol

[barren nimbus]

????????

[tall torrent]

Damage vs unyielding is not the same thing as damage vs unarmored

Again, do u understand armor types as a concept

[barren nimbus]

they are the same just you get different bonuses

[tall torrent]

They’re not the same

[frank basin]

go test out can you one tap dreg gunner once you changed dealing ogryn

[unreal nova]

"CadiaSand". Flees.

[halcyon sigil]

is there a mod to just replace baby difficulty psykanium with havoc stat units or something?

[barren nimbus]

im loading into a havoc 40 man

[narrow widget]

cadia trips

[tropic notch]

Needs unarmored

[frank basin]

Nah

[tall torrent]

I think there is

[low oar]

"CadianDust"

[halcyon sigil]

i know theres one to spawn monstrosities and stuff

[tall torrent]

Unarmored still won’t push it to 1 tap in havoc scaling

[unreal nova]

Also good. Heh.

[narrow widget]

thats just creature spawner

[tropic notch]

Guh

Plus you have pus harden

[barren nimbus]

im logging off

[low oar]

"SnortsCadianDust"

[unreal nova]

"CadiaBeachside".

[frank basin]

CadianCandy

CadetCadian

[past stratus]

kind of crazy that you can't tune the psykanium for havoc 40

[unreal nova]

"CadiaNoMore"

[tall torrent]

I can explain all of the damage calculation stuff when I’m home

[past stratus]

let the gamers test their guns

[tall torrent]

Give me like 20 mins

[barren nimbus]

bro I understand everything you are saying, I dont understand how you dont know what Im saying

I am shooting a reaper and dealing 2000 damage without a perk

so with a perk it goes to 2500

so therefore at 40% heat you can deal 2500 damage with unarmoured on gunners

[tropic notch]

He’s just like me @tall torrent fr

[safe kiln]

So plasma does more damage to unyielding than unarmored

[unreal nova]

You know, I find it funny half the chat is mocking Cadia and the other half is going MATHS.

[tall torrent]

No, it does not

[barren nimbus]

I didnt know that

[barren nimbus]

you earlier said that unyielding and unarmoured have the same damage resistance

[tall torrent]

????

[frank basin]

go do something irl path, don't have to spend another 10 minute in discord chat

[tall torrent]

You can’t be serious

all this

And you still think I’m telling you that they’re the same

[barren nimbus]

I said that I thought unyielding had more armour and you said they were identical

[tall torrent]

I did not say that???

[barren nimbus]

so does unyielding have more damage resistance?

[unreal nova]

Path... Go get some ice cream... It'll be good. No point arguing with someone over it. if they think they are right, just leave them be and don't bother with their questions.

[barren nimbus]

just get 2 people in my lobby and I will shoot at a gunner

[hasty pasture]

How are my fellow less useful Arbites doing

[tall torrent]

When did I say they’re identical

[tall torrent]

Damage resistance is an entirely different thing from armor type

[barren nimbus]

this is you saying their resistances are identical, but they are in different catagories. I understand a reaper doesnt have an unarmoured head

[tall torrent]

“This is a matter of their armor type” is not remotely the same thing as “they’re identical”

[tall torrent]

Armor type is not damage resistance either

They’re separate things

[barren nimbus]

if unyielding isnt stronger they are identical

[iron marten]

You should let him explain and stop putting words in his mouth

[tropic notch]

Dawg

[hasty pasture]

He likes it tho

[tropic notch]

This game has different armor types

[solemn violet]

Does anyone know the Attack Chain for Single Target on the Combat Blade MK VI? I know it includes block attack, but do u just spam it?
Also what Perks would you run? Carapace, elite?

[tropic notch]

None are Identical

[frank basin]

maniac 2.0

[barren nimbus]

Ive literally already said 8 times that they are just seperate identical catagories

[frank basin]

i would see them as maniac 2.0

[iron marten]

Block attack spam or special > light > heavy > heavy > repeat

[tall torrent]

I’m going home and will join u in vc to explain things

[barren nimbus]

im drawing a picture

[frank basin]

just let path do his stuff irl

[iron marten]

The PirateSoftware special

[barren nimbus]

this should perfectly explain armour types

[narrow widget]

damn here i was thinking it was special light push attack repeat

[iron marten]

Yeah lol

I used to use knife religiously until tac axe came into my life

[tall torrent]

This is not how armor types work

Unyielding is not a layer of damage resistance on top of unarmored

[frank basin]

they are seperated

[barren nimbus]

its a barrier, an impenetrable barrier

[past stratus]

the tac axe is such a goofy weapon, it's so weirdly fast

[frank basin]

individually unamored for unrmored, they don't have extra layer of armoredof unyielding

[tropic notch]

The tac axe cult grows

https://tenor.com/view/love-and-joy-dancing-cat-heart-is-full-of-love-and-joy-trinkets-trinkets-and-toys-gif-8137689065499612543

[barren nimbus]

i will redraw the picture

[solemn violet]

Sorry, does that mean it is the other one? ^^' Or the one with the Heavies in it

[past stratus]

I do not like the tac axe.

I want out of this ride

[hollow ibex]

lol mk4 light spam on martyrdom zealot is peak

[frank basin]

after some work on taxe, i think so

[past stratus]

I can only imagine lmao

[tall torrent]

It also is not that

[frank basin]

carpal tunnel they said

[tropic notch]

It was good before

[hollow ibex]

You WILL learn to enjoy taxes

[safe kiln]

I played martry knife once my fingers fell off by the end of the mission

[hollow ibex]

Yeah this is why I macro lol

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1201362226842443837/1388271314338316298/OH.gif

[past stratus]

I'm just not an axe fella

[frank basin]

then you are fart smella

[iron marten]

It's both the block spam and the special > light > heavy > heavy > repeat. Ofc, block spam is higher dps, but the 2nd one is if you don't have stamina or need it for something else

[frank basin]

xd

[past stratus]

xd

[iron marten]

Think you can reach 3000dps on carapace with block spam lmao

[frank basin]

taxe with plasma feel nice, power sword dodge too bleh

[past stratus]

idk which weapon I'm going to settle for once I'm done leveling everything, probably PS

[frank basin]

power shit

[barren nimbus]

power sword is pretty goated in havoc

[solemn violet]

Thanks!

[safe kiln]

I can’t play power sword without weapon spec

[past stratus]

my original love was the dagger but every gun I like from Vet is dog at horde clearing so I gotta always have a horde clearing melee

[frank basin]

arby terminus warrant is cousin of weapon spec

[barren nimbus]

knife is fun but it literally just hurts my hands

[hollow ibex]

Use macros. Save your fingers 😭

[iron marten]

They should bring back brutal momentum + limbsplitter helbore bayonet back so we can contend with arbys. It's only fair!

[past stratus]

I like the power sword because it makes the "you're being attacked" sound queue go away the fastest

that little sound is maddening sometimes.

[halcyon sigil]

i swapped to the MkVI dagger, doesnt loose out much oh now many hits it takes to kill armored enemies while being much better at horde clearing

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cillianmurphygun-cillianmurphy-jazmincoded-gif-3811002643797340103

[iron marten]

Mk3 main horde clear was push attack

[iron marten]

Mk6 thankfully is the first two heavies

[halcyon sigil]

yeah, its push isnt as good now

used to be able to hold back a wall of poxes, now it barely staggers them much

[unreal nova]

It was buffed.

[unreal nova]

No, Vets need old Survivalist for themselves... Everyone else get on CD, yes.

[past stratus]

Power Sword with cycler goes woosh wooosh woosh and everything around me is dead

[frank basin]

i miss no cooldown survivalist

[tall torrent]

@barren nimbus vc

I will explain this all to u

[past stratus]

it feels insane when you do lights + the special. Feels like fighting game animation cancel

I hate it

lmao

[barren nimbus]

where are you

[tall torrent]

where do u want to

[barren nimbus]

idk 3

[frank basin]

3 is full

[unreal nova]

Thus, with how balance is now... it's pretty fair. I mean, our guns barring the soon to be nerfed plasma doesn't even compete...

So give old survivalist for vets when that nerf happens.

Hellbores don't even need survivalist anyway.

[narrow widget]

incoming bolter nerf to make it shoot 3 mm rounds instead of bolter rounds

calling it rn

[halcyon sigil]

needle guns are a thing in 40k

[frank basin]

slow attack with 5s, periodically regen, yeah

[iron marten]

and shocktrooper

[unreal nova]

No the joke is Shocktroop and proper use is usually enough to basically never go below 50% ammo without picking anything if is a good player.

[frank basin]

mine loadout use universally sniper weapons

[iron marten]

Also, agile engagement working in tandem with helbore alone is hilarious

[frank basin]

no shock trooper

[unreal nova]

So less need of survivalist even? So not like it changes if every kill restores ammo for vet.

[narrow widget]

tbf what would you take instead

5% damage???

[unreal nova]

Thus, the joke is... It's not like giving hellbore users old survivalist will break balance.

[safe kiln]

Move speed node is nice too bad it has such a talent point tax to it

[hearty turtle]

@tall torrent what other guns are good for vet?

[unreal nova]

And if plasma actually got nerfed, not even that op.

[narrow widget]

sry i wasnt here for the joke

[unreal nova]

Would let ppl use weaker guns to a better degree though.

[frank basin]

you know i use vigil agrip, agripinna/zarona rev, ilas (high dmg one), helbore, because shock don't benefit kinetic weapons

[unreal nova]

_> Even if they could just be buffed.

[narrow widget]

vraks autogun is aight but ammo hungry
heavy laspistol
bolter/bolt pistol

[unreal nova]

I was talking specifically the hellbore with that.

[safe kiln]

Laspistol is fantastic too bad it also requires a million clicks

[unreal nova]

And accuracy. Lul.

[safe kiln]

What about the accuracy? It’s very accurate

[unreal nova]

Controller.

[tall torrent]

What have u tried so far

[hearty turtle]

Autogun, recon, lasgun

[unreal nova]

Bistol always for grenadier builds.

[tall torrent]

Revolver?

[heavy rover]

helbore

[hearty turtle]

Yep, the reload is slow

[barren nimbus]

is it better to not bash attack againts hordes

I kinda do like it a bit more sometimes

[tall torrent]

With what

[unreal nova]

You use it on a WS build tbh.

[barren nimbus]

your power sword

[hearty turtle]

WS?

[frank basin]

weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

Always power it on

[hearty turtle]

Ah

[frank basin]

the right bottom keystone, which i don't use them

[safe kiln]

Weapon spec is imo necessary for power sword otherwise ur dodges are too gimped

[hearty turtle]

I could try revolver again. Any specific perks and blessings?

[frank basin]

would be depend on mark

[hearty turtle]

Also tried the shotguns, those were fun

[frank basin]

zarona would be preferable with ws

[unreal nova]

Do you like high power aimed shots, or funni bangbangbangbangbang bosses?

[hearty turtle]

Curious about boltgun and helbore

[safe kiln]

U don’t even really need surgical with WS guaranteed crit

[hearty turtle]

Boffem

[tall torrent]

Mk2a
Unarmored
Maniac
Point blank
Run&gun

Hand cannon only matters for shooting crushers and usually u can just melee them

[hearty turtle]

Ok, how's the boltgun and shotguns? Are they good?

[safe kiln]

boltgun is good

[tall torrent]

Boltgun top tier
Shotgun depends

[hearty turtle]

What about helbore?

[unreal nova]

Hand cannon is only if you hate crushers and want to like 2 shot them. XD

[heavy rover]

helbore is peak, it's my fav weapon for vet

[tall torrent]

Technically the best veteran gun for sniping rn but it’s not for everyone

[safe kiln]

i hate everything about the helbore except its bayonet

[main hull]

shotguns are for those who like to reload

[hearty turtle]

How so?

[frank basin]

armour bane

[heavy rover]

yeah, if the helbore clicks with your playstyle, it REALLY clicks

[unreal nova]

Doublebarrel WS. What reload?

Just be Doomslayer.

[tall torrent]

They’re the only veteran guns that can hit real 1 taps in havoc scaling

But they’re generally difficult to use (mainly them having abysmal sights)

[hearty turtle]

Ah

[heavy rover]

I play havoc 30's with helbore and never have to pick up ammo (...ok only when I die and need to top up but that doesn't count)

[tall torrent]

Real 1 taps + best ammo eco in the game

[hearty turtle]

What's the dump, blessing etc for boltgun?

[tall torrent]

depends on ur use case

[hearty turtle]

?

So many variables

[safe kiln]

pinning fire is goated

[tall torrent]

for veteran, dump mobility (collateral + exe stance can 2 hit open bulwark shield)

if u don't care abt that specific thing then dump collateral

[hearty turtle]

Noted.

What's the difference betweent he tactical and combat axe out of curiosity

[safe kiln]

quick question can u get pinning fire stacks by throwing a shredder and then swapping to bolter

[tall torrent]

combat axe is better

[tall torrent]

No

[safe kiln]

dang fatshark tooltips

the blessing description is vague and doesnt specify it has to be from the bolter shots ig

[tall torrent]

Well. It doesn’t have to be from boltgun ranged attacks

Boltgun melee attacks also work

[safe kiln]

the special works?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16744240531926080926/7F93F9F9DE9A739C1D751A379BF499B6E2BB9F7A/

[hearty turtle]

How is it better?

[tame lodge]

Combat Axe good

Tactical Axe shit

[tall torrent]

way better single target
better horde clear

[safe kiln]

one is faster one is slower

[hearty turtle]

Also, yet to find a plasma gun with good stats

[hearty turtle]

Why unarmored?

[safe kiln]

gunner breakpoint probably in high havoc

[tall torrent]

dreg gunner 1hs base game

revolver not worth running for havoc

not enough ammo and crit-reliant for potential 1 taps

[hearty turtle]

Ah

So better to plasma or spray and pray with recon?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

Revolver is just very funni in like auric or damnation.

[tall torrent]

do u like aiming for head or spraying

[hearty turtle]

I try to aim for heads, other times I spray. Depends on how I feel/ how FUBAR the situation currently is

[safe kiln]

revolver doesnt hit dreg gunner 1hs on a crit in damnation?

[tall torrent]

preferably not to be crit reliant for core breakpoints

[safe kiln]

but guaranteed crits with WS which is realistically the only time u play zarona with vet anyway

[narrow widget]

bolter
best of both worlds

[hearty turtle]

Already asked that, mb

[narrow widget]

surgical/pinning fire, cavalcade
carapace unyielding

[fading yarrow]

Boot up Darktide
Hover over Arbites
"For the Guard" by Colm McGuinness comes on
Switch to Veteren

[halcyon sigil]

so i got curious about how exactly the inf lasguns damage scales with range, tested it against unarmored:
0-8 meters - 85% dmg
13 meters - 100% dmg
15+ meters - 106% dmg

consistent for all marks

[solemn violet]

If u want bolter mainly for mag dumping into ogryn packs - what blessings would you use?

[fading yarrow]

1474/1500 Reaper kills

I'm so close

[sonic kayak]

Las weapons have inverse damage falloff except for maaaaaaaaybe the recon, I don't remember

[halcyon sigil]

inf las has inverse, does more past 13 meters and less within 13

[fading yarrow]

I like Cavalcade and Shattering Impact with Carapace and Unyielding but you can probably swap SI out for Pinning Fire

[sonic kayak]

That's what I just wrote

Inf las is a las weapon, it has inverse damage falloff

Laspistol too

[halcyon sigil]

[sonic kayak]

Again, Recon, I don't remember

Probably matters the least on that with Dumdum

[halcyon sigil]

i was just curious as to the specific %s and ranges

always fun discovering hidden stats

[sonic kayak]

Yeah, "close range" is up to 12.5 meters iirc

Then it falls off past, until.. 30 is it?

For lasweapons it's basically that but in reverse, past those 12.5 meters you're doing more damage

good ol' maffs

[halcyon sigil]

its a weird trait lol

youd think lasers would drop off over range from disipation as well

[sonic kayak]

I'm definitely not arguing against it

I guess it's to make them stand out against the autoguns

[halcyon sigil]

it does give the lasguns some character

and i definitely dont hate not having to deal with damage drop off

[tall torrent]

This is not fully accurate
It scales different values for different armor types

Min <7m
Max >15m

[tall torrent]

Only inf las and helbore do

[halcyon sigil]

tested it on flak and maniac and the % and ranges were roughly the same if you use the 12.5m damage as 100%, likely does the armor reduction first and then applies the range multiplier (the deviations are likely due to not getting the exact 12.5m dmg since the rangefinder rounds to 12 and 13)

carapace was just flat 2 damage, but i feel like thats just because rounding renders the variations insignificant

[tall torrent]

You can look at the exact ADM values in the “stopping power” stat inspect

[unreal nova]

Don't recons have normal falloff?

[sonic kayak]

Well I guess according to Path, that's true

[unreal nova]

Ah. But from my use, seems so.

[unborn perch]

Best blessing for power sword besides power cycler? Sunder, slaughterer, or brutal momentum?

[quick seal]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-so-over-it's-over-cat-depressed-beer-gif-8202457888731154588

just played the third game in a row where all of my matchmade teammates were all arbites

[blazing jetty]

finally, no more crabwalking

[quick seal]

congrats~!

[zenith carbon]

which marksmans focus upgrade is best for doing the penance

[tall torrent]

Brutal momentum or sunder

[blazing jetty]

I used camouflage

Cheesed it by sweeping crowds of poxwalkers and groaners with melee while crouch walking

[void dragon]

small question: is there a new consensus on the shock mauls now that they are buffed? what blessings should they run and such

[bleak oasis]

Wonder if the power sword getting rid of its forced walk during charge up would make it broken

[hollow ibex]

that's just the mk3

[bleak oasis]

Why can't it just be like the relic blade

[unreal nova]

It's funnier when you end up having to clutch carry them.

Or their dogs do more than them.

[hollow ibex]

because RB came out after fatshart figured out how to design weapons

[quick seal]

I keep seeing this occur

which is crazy

I think they're new

or they're like, gamepass people

[unreal nova]

New, on damnation.

Guess doggo carried them through heresy.

[quick seal]

it's so much worse playing the event maps

I'm looking at arbites just standing in the fire

[quick seal]

they don't slide, they don't jump through the fire, they just stand in it and then they go down. I'm like bruh

[void dragon]

Dogo legit can carry some, the auto pilot mode is real in this class

and when they actually try, they can do so much

[quick seal]

yah.... I am jealous of their triple-barrel shotgun

[halcyon sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcastic-sarcasm-terminator-thumbs-up-gif-13726704

this is fine

[unreal nova]

You can run through flamer/bomber fire though.

[unreal nova]

I know. Easiest class to play at 400 ping.

[hollow ibex]

no clue what you're talking about. i had to walk through fire at a brisk pace. it was incredibly inconvenient.

[quick seal]

lol yeah but idk what they're doing. Maybe they're doing castigator stance so they can't run. Or maybe they can't slide because it's hard to slide on a controller. But whatever it is, I have had to frequently pick up teammates who die to fire, who die way more than is necessary while I was doing this event

[unreal nova]

I use controller...

[blazing jetty]

"I don't need a dog to carry me, I can pull my own weight just fine!"
-me, hiding behind a riot shield throughout the entire mission

[unreal nova]

Most damage taken was from 'teammates' blowing up barrels.

[quick seal]

fireproof arby

asbestos-lined castigator's stance

[hollow ibex]

damage proof arby

[unreal nova]

Has dog and shield.

[quick seal]

can I offer you some golden toughness in this trying time #veteran-class

[quick seal]

the double triple barrel shotgun is so good ... shame it only has one skin

[unreal nova]

I mean we have a 6 bullet revolver now.

[void dragon]

wait, you have actually used the carry me class in that ping?

did it work?

[unreal nova]

Yes. Did no damage taken runs as well.

Teammates more dangerous than enemies cos barrels and boomers.

[void dragon]

golly, do we need more confirmation that the class is so busted?

[quick seal]

Fuck it, give arby the dueling sword 🤪

[void dragon]

they have their more honest version in their maul

[tall torrent]

I think it just has a few things that are overtuned

[unreal nova]

Though to be fair, I normally play melee 'nadier vet at that ping...

[quick seal]

Lol the “arbites shock maul” is such a stupid name but the effectiveness is undeniable

[unreal nova]

Most ppl don't.

[void dragon]

yeah, but for how tanky it is, i feel that it has a lot of damage for the supposed "jack of all trades"

[tall torrent]

The downside is range

[void dragon]

but not much downside when dogo can cover it and you are still a MONSTER in cqc

[unreal nova]

Dog also is slower than a hitscan bullet.

Why I say 400 ping trapper still scary.

[void dragon]

@tall torrent can i ask about the shock mauls for veteran? are the tips on the guide in pins still relevant? or something changed?

[quick seal]

I’ve seen some crazy arbites revolver plays tho

[void dragon]

does bolter works in favour of their range game? or its missing some breakpoints?

[tall torrent]

Revolver still much better on veteran because of WS

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t recommend honestly

[feral flax]

So what does vet do better than arbiter at this point? out side of support with shouts and marks I guess

[unreal nova]

Ammo dispenser.

And yet I have Arbys crying they need ammo all the time...

[feral flax]

Well. At least arbiter didn't completly invalidate zealot. I mean,only like 80%

[low oar]

Probably just plasma
Really is pretty much no better elite/special control than a competent plasma vet

[void dragon]

Wait, STILL they are not good?! I cry

[low oar]

What's WS?

[unreal nova]

Weapon Specialist.

[void dragon]

Veteran only has 2 keystones and we already forgetting the best one

Truly the darkest of tides

[unreal nova]

I mean, the other one caused ppl to kick vets to prevent crashes on the first 2-3 days.

[faint beacon]

Kick vets in general

dead weight

🗣️

[void dragon]

Ammo dispenser would not take such slander in TF2

[low oar]

Kick psykers because we can't risk a freak

[iron marten]

I remember when close and kill crashed the match and everyone else when gloriana released

Good times

[tall torrent]

I think they still mid tbh

Stagger values unchanged

The heavy sweep atk’s cleave unchanged

[quiet valley]

They are decent safety/debuff sticks for Vet

keeps you alive in horde and kills Carapace

thats about it, Shock Mauls shred on Arby tho

[plain agate]

What stat should I dump for the helbore?

[frank basin]

lot said stability

[plain agate]

Ok

[marsh shard]

Ye, Arbys try cosplaying as vets and run out of ammo in 2 mins

Feel like Vet players are underselling just how amazing their ammo economy is

[frank basin]

running sniper build in horde shooter game were awful

[marsh shard]

Plasma gun exists

[frank basin]

constantly bothered by melee enemies

[grand perch]

"amazing" on las weapons only

[frank basin]

plasma is only one variant, and i need more variant like vigil and ilas

and hellbore

[marsh shard]

Gun only is a meme

No one is saying that

But if Arbites uses ammo liberally, they are out in 2 mins and searching every corner for ammo tins like a crackfiend

[frank basin]

even i ping ammo they just far away from me already

i always stock up my ammo when i need tin, and use gun less in few

force of habit

on arbite specific

running autopistol i shot few round and melee, then find big bag fill it up

[marsh shard]

Vet can use gun liberally, and that is very good

[frank basin]

the only good weapon in horde shooter is non-sniper weapons

[midnight totem]

Unless they don't take survivalist

Then vet will also be searching for ammo

[marsh shard]

We dont talk about shit vet builds

[frank basin]

i queue with vet playing pure recon gun only and wasted lot ammo at factorium smeltery

i ping some ammo he came to eat it

went from 1080 rounds to 200 rounds reserve

[midnight totem]

Survivalist as an aura should never have been in the game without other classes having their own ammo recoup abilities

[marsh shard]

The issue with vet isnt that it isnt as strong as other classes, its that if it isnt running the "meta build" it falls behind.

Ogryn / Psyker / Arbites have SIGNIFICANTLY more build variety than Vet and Zealot, that doesnt mean they are stronger classes... it means they are better designed classes

[frank basin]

sanctioned psyker too good

Ogryn loyalty too good

[tropic notch]

i just did a hav40 melee psyker run with tac axe gaze assail with 3 dog arbys

ive never coped so hard

only death was me getting double bursted

[frank basin]

veteran has two active toughness regen on first top node

one kill for 5% and one kill only headshot for 15%

which is does lacking survivability

[marsh shard]

Vet has god tier ammo and nade regen + arguably the strongest ability in the game

[frank basin]

and it get boring playing two of variant build

i already had machine gun graia nade shredder regen VoC

[marsh shard]

Vet also has access to DS4 and Plasma

[frank basin]

and plasma infil nade regen kark

I don't go do ds4 shredder nade plasma build, it sound like average man build

i got my own way

[midnight totem]

Fuck DS4

[frank basin]

my entire build is base on style and role

sniper, machine gunner, commander, anti-tank

[marsh shard]

Well thats vet's issue.

When played meta, its strong af. Higher ceiling than Arbites for sure.

But when not following meta..........

Vet just needs build variety

Rework tree and keystones

[frank basin]

it's a mandatory meta slave

like zealot

[marsh shard]

Zealot is same way, ye

Ogryn, Arbites, and Psyker all have a bunch of builds

[frank basin]

zealot has somewhat lacking toughness regen

vet is just few

[marsh shard]

Zealot gets a ton of toughness

Regen

[midnight totem]

Zealot has a lot of toughness regen

[marsh shard]

You just dodge and boom

[midnight totem]

He gets regen off dodging, off being in melee and surrounded

[frank basin]

one 100% kill melee, 3 enemies near 2.5%/sec

[midnight totem]

Fotf regens toughness

[frank basin]

i didn't make specific first top regen toughness node

i was meant that

keystone has one toughness regen, the IJ

wait i forgot

[marsh shard]

Heres the difference (am oversimplifying and the maths are wrong)

Zealot - Deals 10x more damage after dodging due to tree. And gets toughness from dodging.

Arbites - Deals 5x more damage after staggering due to tree. And gets toughness from staggering.

Noobs don't dodge. Noobs do stagger. Therefore, its easier to use Arbites better than Zealot even though it has a lower ceiling.

[frank basin]

ogryn does heavy hitting cc get toughnes

psyker quell peril get toughness

veteran look does high skill celling in term headshotting and not get ganked in ass by melee enemies

[marsh shard]

Idk, Vet gets toughness on kill. Chuck a shredder and profit

Spam yellow toughness

[frank basin]

only two Voc and one shredder and two smoke

and a kark

also Exe stance & Infil

[marsh shard]

Shout is where its at

[frank basin]

i make 4 build to balance it out not wanting over using same ability loadout

i had like 3 keystoneless build

only 1 has keystone

it make look like veteran is for skillful Call of Duty player with managable performing ranged weapons

half skill demand, half braindead

exe stance skill demand, VoC braindead

[midnight totem]

I dislike shout

Ever since it's first incarnation

With Mercenary Kruber

[low oar]

I hate shouts since it hurts my vocal cords

[lyric path]

is it just me or does the veteran needs some new key stone abilities and maybe a change to their tree layout same with zealot

[frank basin]

vet and zeal need change

both skill tree got old and boring

[tropic notch]

Combine demo team and stockpile

[frank basin]

one. vet is vet that are marksmans in horde shooter is not great; when come interrupted by melee enemies if you try snipe something out

[lyric path]

i will admit the active camo for vet seems abit silly

[frank basin]

two. zeal node is few not much variety of build, only meta they called most use is FoTf

[tropic notch]

They could make his ability a nade launcher that launches your selected blitz

That would honestly be much cooler that voc

[frank basin]

The rest on two class each builds people made are same, as like 3-4 builds loadout made

[lyric path]

nade launcher

gib nade launcher

[frank basin]

fart nade

[tropic notch]

Ask plsytester to give feedback

Stealth is already not good on any class

Wish they would rework it

[frank basin]

hip firing inf las is quite big spread, recoil on lasgun is weird than no recoil (i know peeps said is boring without recoil)

[tropic notch]

Make shroudfield buff your dodges that allow you to pass through enemies

And give other buffs

[frank basin]

stealth on active combat shooter game is not great yeah

always heard the word, aggro dump

[steep flower]

Just like handmaiden in v2

[tropic notch]

Yarp

[halcyon sigil]

you can dodge while aiming down sights tbf, just need to get used to timing aimed shots with the way they sway

like idk, maybe im too used to auto reacting to the incoming melee attack sound but its doable

[halcyon sigil]

yeah, the issue people had with vet at launch is the stealth option just let them stand in a corner or on a pile of boxes and leisurely shoot things while everyone else drowned in the extra bodies piling on them, infiltrate was mean to replace it by making stealth and shooting seperate but it was just abusable differently

honestly id be happy if stealth in the vet tree was just one node that gives you 5 seconds of -50% threat when aiming down sights, with perhaps a 10s cooldown or something

[steep flower]

Its called skill

[halcyon sigil]

enough to create a small opportunity to freely shoot but not so much that you leave your team out to dry for too long

[halcyon sigil]

i call it being a knife junkie but calling it skill is nice

but yeah the other thing is ive got a build now that makes me a machine that turns heretics into toughness, so long as i am killing i cannot die

well i can but it becomes much harder for the enemy to get damage in

... feels like a blessing youd get from khorne tbh

[midnight wyvern]

is there a way we can check the specific number of a type of monstrosities we've killed? Im guessing not because its shart fart and they don't even want to give you stats at the end of a mission but I want to know how many Daemonhost's I've killed

[halcyon sigil]

I dont think theres an achievement you can use to track it or anything no

[steep flower]

Mods

[elder storm]

Cringe

[midnight wyvern]

What called?

[jagged maple]

is there a guide for best perk and weapon combos to get the veteran penances done? nearly done every other class but vet seems so much more punishing

[frank basin]

would interrupting aim skill (i hate people use word skill isssue) steadying to land headshot

[sudden cedar]

@halcyon sigil Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

[frank basin]

nobody will back me up melee to let me clear shooter, last run i had ogryn being nice using shield to block shooter, just a lot of shooters in room. killing headshotting is like call of duty player more effient to clear out than average shooter

[sudden cedar]

Or sometimes it hits you like a thunder hammer straight in the face.

[halcyon sigil]

? if refering to joking about being invincible im mainly just really enjoying how easily my new build maintains 100% toughness in a fight compared to previous builds ive tried

[sudden cedar]

@frank basin While of course a veteran will have an easier time to clear out shooters and gunners, it is not your sole responsibility to do so. Everyone should look for that.

[frank basin]

i didn't like ilas recoil exist

[halcyon sigil]

yeah with the way the new trees are, people can and should have an answer to every threat, so they arent completely reliant on just one class performing at one thing

[frank basin]

psyker, ogryn, arbite, and a good zealot player they deal like all kind threats, and leave veteran just sit back be as sidekick

[steep flower]

And they say vet can’t sustain himself in range combat LMAO

[leaden condor]

Every arbiter I ever have on my teams never deals with ranged enemies like gunners even with the stupid dog

[frank basin]

bender

[halcyon sigil]

horde, shooters, maniacs, disablers, monstrosities and armored units. even a vet can build to have an answer to all these things, sure the tree desperately needs a rework but its not to the point where we have to cry in the corner and hope other classes carry

[steep flower]

Mah man knows

[steep flower]

Marry me

[frank basin]

just suffer same old tree

[halcyon sigil]

i always find it funny checking the scoreboard and seeing them have something like 70 ranged elite kills between the dog and just evaporating blobs with their shotguns lmao

[steep flower]

Numeric UI and there is a mod that allows you to track penances beyond completion progress; and daemonhost has a penance for that so msybe it might track it

[frank basin]

i don't have scoreboard, last run i did was under performed, my job just taking care ranged enemies, and shit is a lot melee enemies keep backshotting me

and two arbite just goes front ahead

off the cohesion somewhere else

the oggy did stay with me some time, then goes arby

[carmine zealot]

Veteran feels so squishy after playing Arbites for a bit.

[steep flower]

Melee enemies
Backshotting me
That sounds very wrong you know that

[frank basin]

it scatch me back with nurgle essence

i get infected

they like spy suprising you

[steep flower]

More like splash with that wording of yours

[halcyon sigil]

arbites being a bit overtuned rn will make vet runs feel awkward tbf, theyre so tanky ive noticed a lot of them just kinda wander off and do their own thing rather than try and maintain cohesion, and a lobby of dogs wiping out all the specials and elites before you can will make you feel like youre underperforming when actually the dogs are just rabid

[frank basin]

also the ilas i were using is worse spread and recoil on hipfiring

[frank basin]

i already knew the dog did every threat, taking care gunners stuff

leaving me like before killing the threat

is already ended

[midnight wyvern]

hm

I have numeric UI so ill also look for the other

[frank basin]

i cast the Exe stance didn't land headshot anyway, just goddamn recoil lasgun ads'ing i have to spam bodyshot, sometime i manage headshot it

for like too many shooter in room targetting me making sway

even eat toughness when combine arm force targetting me

i couldn't calm myself without get panicking shoot everyone of them, shooter always running up down left right go cover and i have to find other target

gunner is my main target

arbite simply use non-marksman weapon snipe and kill off close range at it easily

then melee everything

[halcyon sigil]

if the Ilas isnt feeling too great you could try the recon lasgun? its generally more forgiving when youre struggling to find the time to aim for weakspots properly

[frank basin]

oh recon reserve for my machine gunner build

i run sniper theme build

recon is good already

i could use vigil AG, recoil and spread not bad on hipfiring

[past stratus]

Some helbore gaming helps with learning to shoot under pressure

[frank basin]

i do have helbore, but i don't feel using more after few run long ago using them alot

helbore, vigil AG, my revovler is not ready yet i still need materials, then Ilas

is only 3 marksman weapon

i do have Laspis, but eat a lot ammo

[carmine zealot]

They have a loner-style ability where the dog provides cohesion.

[halcyon sigil]

oh yeah theres that too

[past stratus]

As much as I like the humble Infantry Lasgun. I think it is just not a very good weapon atm

[frank basin]

boohoo sad small violin

vigil autogun then

is been while i haven't touch sniper build

since running machine gunner graia brauto

[carmine zealot]

It's still the only one with a reflex sight though (plus the laspistol).

[frank basin]

i using the mod make the beautiful ilas

[carmine zealot]

The full auto mod?

[frank basin]

weapon customization

[halcyon sigil]

but also just in general between tools like the shockmine and general survivability of the maul with its stun and stagger and shield for suprise shooters... and the dog saving them from disablers automatically, they have a much safter time just wandering around than the classic classes

[carmine zealot]

The dog won't save them from trappers.

[halcyon sigil]

auto clickers, among other things it helps people not get repetitive strain injury if all they need to do in melee is spam attacks

[frank basin]

my own beautiful weapon

[halcyon sigil]

i mean theyre not invincible, but even just being able to automatically get saved from everything but trappers is a big boon

[carmine zealot]

I can't use Inf Lasgun because of the need for spam clicking.

[frank basin]

which why i won't leave them to dust when i play other class and loadout

[carmine zealot]

It's actually better than that because dogs can deal with maulers and ragers too.

[sudden cedar]

You won't automatically get saved, it may take some time before your dog helps you. And that time can be enough to put you in a really bad spot.

[frank basin]

i do have full auto mod, but i have to toggle sometime keep ammo efficient not get double shot on one click

[halcyon sigil]

right? just a little over tuned lmao

[sudden cedar]

The best thing to do, even with the dog, is to be vigilant and not get hit.

And on the matter of coherency and loner-style ability, the Loner Aura is useless and so is the coherency provided by the dog.

[halcyon sigil]

oh definitely, im just saying i see a lot of lobbies of arbies walking off like they are invincible

[sudden cedar]

Because they think they are.

They are not.

[halcyon sigil]

yup

[carmine zealot]

I'm always walking off. To get diamantine.

[frank basin]

same

[sudden cedar]

And when it hits, it hits hard.

[past stratus]

If I said, the new class has an ability to randomly kill one elite without needing to actively interact with it. And that that same ability also will push the pox hound away from you. Removing the cosmetic dog part of it, I wonder how people would've reacted.

[sudden cedar]

It is called Kinetic Flayer.

Sort of.

[frank basin]

i walk off to collect materials all time

and heretic idol for extra

[carmine zealot]

I can't understand those who ping diamantine and then just run off.

[halcyon sigil]

they have enough self sufficient survival tools that they think theyre invincible, and tbf like a good zealot seeing a good arbie player clutch things can be amazing to watch

[sudden cedar]

Probably auto-tagging

[carmine zealot]

Or who open chests and leave the diamantine.

[frank basin]

i ping ammo when open chest and eat it, force of habit not sharing someone ammo

[past stratus]

Idk about others but I love me some diamantine

[sudden cedar]

It is in the same category as people spamming "I need Ammo" yet refusing to either participate in the search for ammo or walk the extra steps to get ammo pinged by someone else

[halcyon sigil]

I pick up supplies for others, but im sitting on something like 45k of diamatine and plasteel

[frank basin]

i have 6k diamnatine and 1k palsteel now

went from 12k dia and 10k plas

[halcyon sigil]

i can imagine players with a lot saved just not caring anymore

[carmine zealot]

Just one more class to go and I'll have all the weapons at 500.

[sudden cedar]

Or simply ignoring the ammo in front of them because some sort of "i still have enough" mindset

Which, spoilers, they do not have enough for when it matters because they blasted everything needlessly before.

[frank basin]

my habit is keep ammo up all time max

[carmine zealot]

Or putting down a medkit/ammo box just before the next medstation.

[frank basin]

near death i won't need it until i restore my health

[sudden cedar]

That is an equally bad idea because of ammo waste

@carmine zealot I chalk that up to either panic, low confidence in their ability to handle what is to come or simply not knowing better.

It is very much a step above having a crate and not using it at all

when everyone can very much benefit from it

[carmine zealot]

Doesn't the stats mod have a tracker and announcement feature on ammo wastage?

[sudden cedar]

That would mean using such a mod.

Always remember that.

[frank basin]

yeah i died 1 time in last run since shooter scatter around and i got lock in melee shot me dead

[halcyon sigil]

ngl i do that occasionally because i learned to be frugal back when people got really pissed about vets eating all the ammo, never had to unlearn it because lasguns have stupidly good ammo economy even without stuff like free critical shots

[past stratus]

The last time I even had ammo issues was when I tried to kill a crusher with the vigilant autogun. Didn't realize how many bullets it would take and how small the magazines are.

[carmine zealot]

"So-and-so picked up ammo (30 wasted)" etc?

[sudden cedar]

"A" crusher is not a problem in melee combat

well, he shouldnt be at least.

[past stratus]

Oh I just wanted to gun it down, for science.

[sudden cedar]

Sure.

[past stratus]

The autogun is not very good at armoured enemies is what I found out lmao

[sudden cedar]

True.

[carmine zealot]

I actually feel kind of bad when a lone Crusher/Brawler gets wailed on by the whole team. Now with double the members (dogs). The poor oaf just keeps groaning.

[sudden cedar]

For such things the Psykanium is great.

[halcyon sigil]

yeah i tried a few mods but stripped it down to the essentials when i felt i was getting removed from the general play experience

[sudden cedar]

My essential mods are none at all.

[halcyon sigil]

the numericUI feature to show if picking up ammo will waste any is a neat feature though, makes it easier to decide if i should pick up a can or leave it for others

[past stratus]

Yeah I run without mods

[midnight wyvern]

can also see allies ammo counts too

rather than the colour of their ammo icon lol

[sudden cedar]

colour is sufficient for me

[halcyon sigil]

me on yellow ammo colour with 500+/700 ammo in the bank

[midnight wyvern]

askers?

[past stratus]

Ngl I don't usually pay much attention to the UI

For my allies ammo

[halcyon sigil]

if i found an ammo crate ill occasionally check if the next pause would be a good opportunity to share it

vet can be so removed from the ammo economy that its not critical though

[past stratus]

One thing Vet does after a while is wire your brain keenly to ammo economy. I rarely need to disrupt it. Maybe on Havoc that is more of a problem

[frank basin]

Checking the vigil damage break down you know why

[halcyon sigil]

a set of mods id love to try if available is something to replace most things with audio so i can play with as little UI as possible

[frank basin]

Unless I support it with onslaught talents while using vigil

[unreal nova]

To be fair, the hard part is getting your teammates to pick them up at times. You ping because you don't need. They think you ping cos you want.

Me:

[halcyon sigil]

if i wanted it it wouldnt be there to ping

sticky fingers

[frank basin]

I always keep habit ping and take it

[past stratus]

yeah that is frustrating, specially arbites. That class makes people forget basic concepts while they are leveling

[past stratus]

Go psykanium and shoot crusher with it. Don't be like me and test it in game

[halcyon sigil]

getting a game with a classic class lineup feels so nice between the 3 arbies runs

[frank basin]

@past stratus

[unreal nova]

I mean, obviously. I'm a loot gremlin. If I need something, it gets yoinked.

[frank basin]

NEED

MORE

PLASTEEL

[unreal nova]

Don't need, still yoinked.

[past stratus]

Plaststeel is the one thing I never really felt the lack of

[halcyon sigil]

feed it to the ogryn when you get back

[frank basin]

Since I got stockpile of Diamantine back of old bug of refund on upgrade

6k of them

And I only have 1k plasteel

I have so many weapons

[midnight wyvern]

im always spending plasteel and never really spend much diamantine so ive always had more diamantine than plasteel, money fluctuates pretty hard

[frank basin]

And I do need switch them in one loadout every run sometime I need play different gun

[unreal nova]

They already took like 3 kraks.

[midnight wyvern]

been playing higher difficulty stuff lately so getting 1k plasteel a mission isn't particularly uncommon

[halcyon sigil]

hes a hungry lad, still growing

[unreal nova]

When it's now 10:6.

[frank basin]

Damnation I got 1k plasteel sometime

[unreal nova]

Plasteel to Diamantine ratio.

[midnight wyvern]

wot?

[frank basin]

Diamantine is 200-300

[midnight wyvern]

gain or spend?

[unreal nova]

I have like a mil plasteel and 600k diamantine.

[frank basin]

FS GIVE US FEATURE MATERIALS DONATION AND MY LIFE IS YOUR

[midnight wyvern]

you gain it slower sure but there is also less times I feel like you spend diamantine

wish you could convert it

into either money or plasteel

[halcyon sigil]

some kind of way to dump resources for... idk something would be nice, like a donation box for hadron or something

[carmine zealot]

Like the DSS in Helldivers 2?

[midnight wyvern]

ew

[past stratus]

Veteran is so nice to play with resources, the auto generation grenade talent also makes it so I can fairly often pass on a grenade so someone else can get it. Makes it for more boom all around for everyone

[midnight wyvern]

DSS resource sink sucks lol

[halcyon sigil]

less friendly fire hopefully

[carmine zealot]

I just wish it would stop killing me with the 380mm and strafes.

[midnight wyvern]

3 classes can pretty much pass up on grenades with some builds, and if zealot is running knives, ogryn just gets all grenades

[past stratus]

Gamer

[midnight wyvern]

but they can also take rock

no class need grenade

[midnight wyvern]

I just wish it was worth it

[past stratus]

The ogryn big boom grenade is so nice though

People should use it more

[carmine zealot]

Need the DSS abilities in order to conquer planets though.

[midnight wyvern]

yeah, really nice if you can dump all the grenades into the ogryn with frag bomb too lol

[unreal nova]

I like those builds. Fighting over things gets annoying.

[carmine zealot]

Liberation rate is too slow otherwise.

[midnight wyvern]

??? its still shit?

[unreal nova]

If only they realise my ammo crate returns their 'nade.

[midnight wyvern]

its not often a talent people take

I barely see it anyway

[past stratus]

I only take it when my friend asks me to

[carmine zealot]

Questionable strafing and barrages aside, the abilties boost liberation and defense rates.

[unreal nova]

Me, staring at it pinging at it after oggy threw frag.

[midnight wyvern]

I know, and it doesn't make it any better lol, stop trying to explain how it works

[unreal nova]

Because they can always have my share unless for some reason I'm the last one up and needing all the 'nades to get through.

[midnight wyvern]

best thing to come out of DSS is a fan animation in Straight to hell

[past stratus]

I actually like the corruption removal part with the medkit, it's like an extra medicae station

[midnight wyvern]

its very helpful yeah

[carmine zealot]

I mean it is what it is. Buggy abilities that are nonetheless necessary to actually progress.

[midnight wyvern]

when the maelstrom that is supposed to generate corruption isn't bugged it would be pretty nice on that

[frank basin]

Some guy love field improvise

[past stratus]

my friend likes it because we can just let the two other players use extra medicae charges when they are struggling and we can just use the medic kit on demand for ourselves

[deep bone]

For infantry las gun is it worth running deadly accurate or should I stick with Ghost

[frank basin]

Mk VIII use ghost

[midnight wyvern]

that's fair

[deep bone]

Yea

I run Headhunter and Ghost

[halcyon sigil]

there are a lot of really neat nodes you just cant afford to take because the vet tree is so stretched tbh, making any build is a constant feeling of 'if only i had one more point'

[midnight wyvern]

depending on DS and plasma changes or even a future rework, I will probably look at doing that for higher level stuff on my vet if I happen to play it

[deep bone]

I like the extra crit chance

[frank basin]

You won’t get shot in face if you deal room full of shooter

[deep bone]

Fair

[frank basin]

Not unless you good at headshotting

Like god play

I don’t

I still need for luck headshot pray

[midnight wyvern]

only one i don't feel like that on is my boss removal build, but even then, it has Kraks 💀

[deep bone]

If I’m not feeling confident in headshots I could run Falter and Ghost

[halcyon sigil]

ghost is great

[deep bone]

Increase the stagger

[frank basin]

Ghost require headshot

[deep bone]

Oh yea my b

[past stratus]

yeah but I don't mind sacrificing a little extra personal efficiency for team talents. I think that is another thing Veteran is good at, being a team player.

[midnight wyvern]

stagger them then headshot

[unreal nova]

I mean... I basically fail breakpoints because of that.

[midnight wyvern]

[deep bone]

I run Infantry Las on my VOC build

[frank basin]

If you can’t land headshot but bodyshot I would go no respite

[midnight wyvern]

I run Bolter on mine

goofy ah pinning fire

[deep bone]

I wanna learn Exe Stance but I die a lot

lol

I am still looking for a good CC melee weapon

[halcyon sigil]

it also gives you more opportunity to actually line up the headshots without getting rushed by the 7 gunners you still have to deal with tbf

[frank basin]

My last run is Exe stance and is pain to not get backshot by melee

[halcyon sigil]

ghost is a self fulfilling prophecy, it needs headshots to activate, and makes it easier to aim for headshots

[past stratus]

for personal safety and learning exe stance you can use the Dueling Sword

or if you are really against the power creep, shovel is a fairly safe all around good melee weapon

[frank basin]

Yeah, they taking cover and making me hard to find target openingly shooting at me, and while I have to pay attention sound someone behind me.

[unreal nova]

Running Knoife and Bistol is like... points required to make them either one tap or so.

[frank basin]

I can’t multitask it

[analog yacht]

Is helbore worth using over stub in auric

[past stratus]

helbore is good

[analog yacht]

It looks like no seeing that the thing it does is hit stub breakpoints but in havoc

[tall torrent]

Helbore is top tier rn

[halcyon sigil]

if theyre in cover then theyre not shooting, which means you can and usually should switch priority to clearing space so you have room to shoot later when they pop up again

[tall torrent]

Top 1-2 best vet gun

[frank basin]

Bruh is like playing shoot a mole

[analog yacht]

Does it top the revolver outside of havoc tho?

[frank basin]

My exe stance last 5 second

[deep bone]

I will use shovel and I will Get good with Exe stance

What’s the best shovel set up

[frank basin]

And have to realign my aims to headshot some of them far of side left or right

My graphic aren’t great to see clear picture

Is a laptop screen anyway

Not 4k wide bend monitor

I got bad eyes sight and wearing glasses

I did tried best to find target but goddamn it’s a shoot a mole

[unreal nova]

@tall torrent Hey Path, wanna ask. Do you know if +5% HPx3 is worth it on Arby? H40 related. Was thinking what to use as the third curio sub thing.

[analog yacht]

i imagine you just run the 50 hp damage cap and don't worry about it

[unreal nova]

H40 is different. The corruption will still kill you with that node.

[analog yacht]

Ah you hadn't put h40 yet

[halcyon sigil]

im only 1080p so im not much better, if you have a target in exe stance you cant deal with before it expires then tag it so hes still highlighted and easy to see when you loose it, even better it ensures the team is aware of the threat and can deal with it themselves if needed

[frank basin]

• i have to sense someone my back take of enemy melee or special

[unreal nova]

Cos while you take 50 HP damage... you still eat 400 minus whatever damage reduction you have of corruption or so.

[frank basin]

I don’t like get interrupted

It’s very multitasking playing sniper role in active combat

[unreal nova]

At least, that's what someone told me.

[halcyon sigil]

the game is all melee nowadays, it IS hard to play a ilas sharpshooter properly as a result, i main it and like the challenge but it is demanding

[tame lodge]

Yes

[unreal nova]

So planning CDR + Toughness, Stam regen or HP.

[sudden cedar]

@unreal nova If you still take the corruption damage, you may survive the hit thanks to True Grit, i would consider you effectively dead since anything at this point will kill you. I consider it better to stack the already higher toughness that the Arbitrator has to protect you against chip damage.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/desiler-giga-chad-gif-9574825124538696572

[frank basin]

Vermintide all over again, I get it inspired from vermintide

[unreal nova]

I already maxxed toughness. It's the third curio subnode.

[sudden cedar]

Toughness

All the way.

[frank basin]

Non-marksman weapon is like viable weapon to use not get backshot

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[analog yacht]

the ranged meta in v2 was pretty dire before they killed it

[unreal nova]

I have CDR and Toughness.

[sudden cedar]

Stamina Regen

[analog yacht]

shit was so boring

[unreal nova]

Was trying to figure out if HP% is better or just Stam Regen.

[sudden cedar]

It synergizes well with the talent that gives you toughness for stamina spent

while increased HP will do effectively nothing

Yes, you might survive the occasional hit here and there more, but that won't really achieve anything

[unreal nova]

So I guess, build like my Vet.

Heh.

[halcyon sigil]

playing sharpshooter at high difficulties demands good steady aim, the ability to dodge while aiming, the ability to transition cleanly from melee to shooting and back again as needed and a constant awareness of where you team is so you dont get left behind or seperated

[frank basin]

Pain

[sudden cedar]

For good reason there is no real sniper rifle

[tame lodge]

Lightweight no reaction

[past stratus]

do Helbore mark III until you get comfy with it then do mark IV for real gaming hours

that's the most sniper-y gameplay you can get imo

[frank basin]

I have the fast charge one

Only that

[tall torrent]

No

[past stratus]

that's mark III

[halcyon sigil]

i like it, its fun when you do it right

[frank basin]

I don’t use much helbore since is awfully swap delay even with one motion

[past stratus]

it's a lot better now since the patch

[tall torrent]

Preference

[frank basin]

0.548s speed is half second

Still felt slow

I would need to pull quick to deal flamer presence front me

[past stratus]

thats the price for a heavy hitting weapon

[frank basin]

While I already lock on melee

Balance and balance

ilas recoil get wack than helbore

[halcyon sigil]

i just find it funny how the helbores bayonet triggers agile engagement

[halcyon sigil]

is that with or without the one motion passive?

[unreal nova]

249 toughness after everything... MY OCD.

[sudden cedar]

248

[unreal nova]

The game fonts kinda suck. It looks like that for me in a game.

[unreal nova]

Looks like 249

[sudden cedar]

Maybe its a rounding thing and it will end up at 249 at the end

[marble bridge]

does deadshot till function if im out of stamina

[vague wigeon]

I wonder if it works like written or is it typical FatShark wording?

[halcyon sigil]

fatshark wording

[vague wigeon]

Because judging by feelings - it gives a hugebonus so it might work as writtem

[halcyon sigil]

atleast i hope so

[marble bridge]

nearly empty recon lasgun surely

[vague wigeon]

Yep

[halcyon sigil]

a gun with 100 ammo mags with that would be wild

[marble bridge]

5/170 in magazine get a 165% melee bonus

lmfao

[vague wigeon]

I was running around killing stuff with unpowered power sword, after emptying my recon once

Like 1-2 unpowered hit to kill trash mobs

[halcyon sigil]

if i was designing that id have made it based on magazine capacity by %, with a cap of idk 20% damage bonus at 0% capacity

[vague wigeon]

ffs, power sword finally felt fun to play, when you didn't had to power it every 3 strikes

Tho it also migh be +20 damage from gene-enhanced too

[marble bridge]

or make it a short time buff with a higher cap (like 5s or whatever wspec is)

[vague wigeon]

Tbh i feel like some stuff from mortis trials should be in the ve'ts talent tree

[halcyon sigil]

tested it in psykanium quickly, it doesnt

considering the skill consumes stamina per shot i didnt think it would

weirdly it seemed to be active regardless of whether my alt fire mode was active or not

[marble bridge]

yea epected

[halcyon sigil]

honestly ive never really tried it before lol, i can see what they were going for

OOOH thats why, description of the skill seems to be out of date, it seems to be active when aiming down sights not on alt fire mode anymore

[unreal nova]

Dunno, I blame FS maths and code.

[unreal nova]

Nope.

[grand perch]

aiming down sights is alt fire on those weapons

[unreal nova]

Is why Deadshot is more for slower marksman type guns.

[halcyon sigil]

i seem to remember it working when the torch was on, but last time i thought about it was when the tree first came out and everyone decided to hate on it

possible people just misunderstood it

[grand perch]

p sure that wasnt a thing

maybe a weird bug in pre-release times

[halcyon sigil]

honestly i dont care much for the sway reduction, the crit could be nice for crit dependent builds i guess

im not a fan of relying on RNG to hit breakpoints though

[marble bridge]

the crit would be crazy with the laser pointers lol

im up to like 45 with psyker friend and reciprocity

[halcyon sigil]

nah I probably just misunderstood it, never had the spare points to try it and never bothered to test it when people were talking about it like they talk about taking smoke grenades lol

nowadays a whole bunch of things have been reevaluated since the initial reaction, i was an early advocate for weapon specialist being actually useful when people were too hung up on telling themselves you had to be constantly swapping on purpose to use it

a lesson to always try different skills before passing judgement I suppose

[unreal nova]

I mean, the annoying thing about it is if you accidentally tap too much/fast due to lag or swap issues, you lose the buff insta.

[past stratus]

I think WS naturally becomes more and more active as you climb difficulties, the game demands that you swap more either to deal with a horde or to push something away, sprint away from danger with a faster weapon and other things. Real mastery is having in the back of your brain that with each swap comes the buffs and taking advantage of them

Recently I started getting the one that replenishes some toughness when you swap and it took me a bit to realize that I could use it to be a little more aggressive

[unreal nova]

Too taxed for that. I rather 'nade nodes.

[past stratus]

I've been experimenting since I'm just leveling weapons

[unreal nova]

Vet always feels short of 5 points from taxes.

[past stratus]

out of all the WS nodes I found that only these two are somewhat impactful imo

the reload one is funny because if you're pistol running you sometimes don't need to reload at all in games

swap shoot elite, swap melee a bit, swap back to ranged and it is refilled again

never reload just run and gun

[willow tendon]

Yeah those tactical axes ruin everything

[tall torrent]

Yes
And they’re still situational

[unreal nova]

I feel like some could just be added baseline.

[past stratus]

yeah by no means I mean to say they are good or recommended. Mostly just think they are fun to play with

[past stratus]

they could all be baked into the WS keystone and still wouldn't be OP imo

[unreal nova]

I know. Hell, you can even buff the more niche nodes on top and still okay.

Heck even the reload out will just make it feel better.

[tall torrent]

Nah WS is as front loaded as it comes

The subnodes just aren’t that impressive for it

[unreal nova]

It's annoying to have to burn stacks to switch just to reload.

[past stratus]

I wish I didn't need to get all the % damage to things nodes so I could explore some other fun talents

[tall torrent]

Just take tac reload

[unreal nova]

I don't have points.

I'm taxed enough as is.

[tall torrent]

Knife problems

lol

[unreal nova]

Unless you are telling me to toss Born Leader.

[tall torrent]

How do u even need to toss that

Did u somehow take more than 1 talent in that row

[unreal nova]

As in, drop it.

[unreal nova]

Yes, shout buffs.

[tall torrent]

Nah they not worth

FTE barely matters

[unreal nova]

They breakpoint enabler.

Sighs.

[tall torrent]

U shouldn’t need it to hit boltpistol breakpoint

And knife is pretty RNG cuz crit

It’s less of a breakpoint weapon

[unreal nova]

2 shot trapper with, 3 shots without.

Bleedout takes too long and risks someone getting netted.

[past stratus]

this tends to be my baseline for any proper builds I do, I get 5 points to go either Focus target or WS. 😭

oh wait

wrong image

this one

I forgot tactical awareness on the first one

[tall torrent]

Take iron will always

[unreal nova]

I take every 'nade talent except twinned because no luck.

[tall torrent]

Superiority complex and extra ammo are not always required

It kinda depends on what ur gun is

[past stratus]

yeah I like Iron Will

[tall torrent]

Survivalist also not required unless specific weapon / mode

[unreal nova]

When you go on avg about 14 toss to twin...

It's not worth it.

[past stratus]

I take survivalist more for my team than myself, I think it is one of the good contributions I can give

[halcyon sigil]

much agreement

[tall torrent]

The team value is pretty overhyped for base game

There’s just a lot of ammo as loot

[unreal nova]

It's just free ammo for the ammo hungry goblins on the team.

[halcyon sigil]

the ammo economy is in shambles with all the regens the classes have going on

[willow tendon]

Which they won't find

[tall torrent]

It’s as simple as learning how to loot

[tall torrent]

That’s those people’s problem

[unreal nova]

I had two lex maniacs literally always on red one run. They took all the ammo already.

[past stratus]

yeah maybe I could have a little more faith in my teams, even if recently I see a lot of Arbites completely red on ammo 5 minutes into the match

[tall torrent]

You can’t possibly hope to fix their bad looting habits with survivalist

Survivalist matters for like 2 guns and 2 specific modes

[halcyon sigil]

clearly theyre doing it on purpose to give the heretics a sporting chance

[willow tendon]

Well who cares about their habbits when you're only playing a single game with them

[unreal nova]

Trauma. So I just live on survivalist refills.

[unreal nova]

One? If you play on a ded enough server, you tend to see the same ppl multiple times.

[tall torrent]

Boltgun
Plasma

CIVI maelstrom
Havoc

[halcyon sigil]

yup, grew into the game when people were hating on vets for wanting ammo, became a vet who never wants ammo

[narrow widget]

zarona revolver

[tall torrent]

Outside of those u usually just don’t need survivalist

[tall torrent]

Nah not needed

[narrow widget]

wdym it literally has like 60 shots

[tall torrent]

The modes where it does well in just spawn enough ammo

[past stratus]

I don't even know what I would chose instead of Survivalist, Fire Team seems ok because I can grab grenade tinkerer. But close and kill would give me agile engagement. I'll experiment with it I guess

[unreal nova]

Just always played a vet who ignores all ammo unless in dire state and ignores 'nades unless I got multiple psykers or rock/Tknoife users.

[tall torrent]

U can survive plenty fine on like 6-1-1 ammo pickup with revolver

It’s not even taking that much

[narrow widget]

fire team is objectively dogshit

5% damage

[tall torrent]

Fire team is good

[past stratus]

the duality of men

[teal canyon]

5% base damage, my guy