veteran-class

[pastel yew]

respond faster

be more accurate

[tacit sonnet]

I'm not a god games

[pastel yew]

fake, u are

[tacit sonnet]

I still sometimes die even in aurics and honestly my aim is pretty shit

[pastel yew]

you'll improve, happens naturally

unless you're on a controller in which case you're mega gimped try your best

[grand perch]

yes but up to 3X gunner res is still worth it

[tacit sonnet]

Can't wait till I get my true survivor

[pastel yew]

its a shame the title is so worthless because most people cheated it

its to the point where if I see someone with it I just assume they're bad

[tacit sonnet]

How do I cheat it

[pastel yew]

I dont think you can anymore

but it used to be you could disconnect

[pastel yew]

and it wouldnt track it as a loss

[grand perch]

that shouldnt be your first question

[pastel yew]

so for a while everyone in auric+ was just disconnecting the instant they dropped

for some reason this annoyed people

like imo the trash took itself out :3

[tacit sonnet]

I beat several h40 without dying

But my teammates keep dying

[tropic notch]

Sorry I’ll practice more

[tacit sonnet]

It's literally one of the last penances I need

[trim badger]

On vet sounds like overkill

[tacit sonnet]

Everything else is just play more missions or kill 300k more enemies

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/love-and-joy-dancing-cat-heart-is-full-of-love-and-joy-trinkets-trinkets-and-toys-gif-8137689065499612543

[sudden cedar]

Maybe you are too much of a solo player to achieve True Survivor.

It certainly sounds like it.

[grand perch]

not really. vets supposed to be able to duel gunners but toughness regen just isnt there

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/mustard-cheese-gif-21912643

[grand perch]

thats what arbys do now

[tacit sonnet]

Or maybe at least one teammate is always bad

Not saying like I'm not dying in h40 ever

[tropic notch]

Sorry was me

[tacit sonnet]

I still can die

[trim badger]

Uh

Close drill order + the one that regenerates toughness for killing elites + iron will + catch a breath

[sudden cedar]

Could be that it is you after all. Who knows really.

[tacit sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/item-asylum-i-absolve-you-of-your-sins-psi-forgive-a-gif-14340563204660266759

You are forgiven

[tropic notch]

[past stratus]

the way arbis can just clear gunners from what would have been once a death choke. Is a thing of beauty

or more like their immortal furry missiles

who needs bubble

[tropic notch]

Bait used to be believable

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/brYN5.gif

[tacit sonnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1167636036281708615/1226255621699932220/ezgif-1-ed4a8cd86d.gif

[tropic notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1167636036281708615/1226255621699932220/ezgif-1-ed4a8cd86d.gif

[steep flower]

Kill faster & stack CK

[lapis osprey]

or some people like me got it in havoc 1.0

[grand perch]

im talking average individuals here

[steep flower]

Yup; i was pointing that one out to path too but nah vet can’t sustain in range combat lmao

[tropic notch]

I got it accidentally guh

[sudden cedar]

And some people got it in both Havoc 1.0 and Havoc 2.0

[tropic notch]

In 1.0

[sudden cedar]

Multiple times.

[halcyon sigil]

best title is no title

[sudden cedar]

Best title is whatever makes you happy.

[pastel yew]

best title is reject

and the arbites dont get it ;-;

[steep flower]

Wait mah guy; you need True Survivor? Or who

[tacit sonnet]

I need it

[tropic notch]

They should make the 1.0 gunners a modifier again

[pastel yew]

every time I see someone with reject title, I know its going to be an easy game

its always some level 2k zealot

[tacit sonnet]

My fav title is cyber-falcon

It's badass

I spent the last month trying to get it

[tropic notch]

Celine….

[steep flower]

Then remember me cause i will once i get a nice 40 we can ball

[pastel yew]

does anyone actually care about like

[tacit sonnet]

90% of the time is looking for a team, 10% is playing

[atomic void]

i keep my auric storm on because that shit drove me to madness getting it on pubs

[sudden cedar]

Every time i see someone with the reject title i assume its someone barely tolerable who will just do wacky nonsense and leave at first opportunity because they think too much of themselves for running the reddit hivemind title and outfit.

[pastel yew]

the borders?

[tropic notch]

4K zealot

[sudden cedar]

Perspectives and opinions can differ.

[pastel yew]

they feel like such mega garbage to me... every event including one... just gimme something else

[tacit sonnet]

let me check mine, I also could just try to demote

I don't care about havocs

[tropic notch]

Was me

[tacit sonnet]

I play it only to get the penances done

It's a dogshit mode

[sudden cedar]

Yet you still play it. Says a lot.

[tacit sonnet]

How else do I get the penances?

[pastel yew]

if you even want to be slightly challenged

[sudden cedar]

You could just not.

[steep flower]

If you have acceptable modifiers & a map its best to have 40 for infinite tries

[pastel yew]

you have no choice

[sudden cedar]

You always have a choice.

[pastel yew]

unless you want to start true soloing and earn no reward

[tropic notch]

This little chuddie is very mean!

[past stratus]

I don't like titles but I like the golden little thingy you get from Maelstrom with no one downed. Prettiest tag thingy

[sudden cedar]

And that is to simply say No.

[pastel yew]

what.... that doesnt work when you're seeking an objective

[tropic notch]

He’s washed

[tacit sonnet]

I don't like you

[pastel yew]

if you're seeking to be challenged in darktide, you cant choose to not play havoc

because the non havoc modes

arent challenging

[sudden cedar]

Fair enough, you aren't obligated to like me.

[tacit sonnet]

fyre, can you please send a very mean gif to this person

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/how-you-felt-how-they-felt-devil-dog-dog-mask-dog-in-mask-gif-23467335

[halcyon sigil]

deny penances to repent in the emperors name?

tis no choice but heresy

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-stuck-cat-free-free-at-last-gif-2233868535468800304

[sudden cedar]

What do i know? All i see is someone forcing himself to do something they don't want in order to achieve something while continously complaining how bad it is.

[tacit sonnet]

so what

Does that bother you?

[sudden cedar]

Would that matter to you?

[pastel yew]

havoc itself isnt necessarily the worst in action, its the everything surrounding it

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825188895448236032/1273403383352660030/attachment-6-1.gif

[steep flower]

Man @sudden cedar stap it you’re making the boyos roudy; they need some relaxation

[tacit sonnet]

Would that matter to you?

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower

[pastel yew]

they made it so cumbersome to get into games

[tacit sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/watchthisswag-catswag-cat-rigby-cat-gif-7623407359144548331

[sudden cedar]

I don't see a connection between Havoc and getting into games.

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-milk-noam10-meme-funny-gif-5778778634278986666

[pastel yew]

?

[sudden cedar]

If you use the Party Finder.. yeah well.. tough luck, you shouldn't really.

[tacit sonnet]

Literally 90% of playing havoc is looking for a team

[pastel yew]

you need to use the party finder

[tacit sonnet]

and 10% is the actual game

[tropic notch]

Please stop having sex with mcchickens

[sudden cedar]

You do not need to use the Party Finder.

This Discord exists.

[pastel yew]

unfortunately I only have 1 friend who is really havoc ready

[pastel yew]

that is an even worse alternative

[sudden cedar]

I don't think so.

[tacit sonnet]

literally 0 difference

[pastel yew]

just let me queue, I dont care if my team mates are dogshit

if people want their private hav40 games

thats cool too

they can have that option

but lemme quickplay in

[tacit sonnet]

Teammates can still be dogshit, players are the same everywhere

Or they can be great, you never know

nah, that looks like a terrible map

[steep flower]

Lets be serious tho; if you want to do TS and you gonna be negative in the games it won’t benefit anybody; TS should be approached with a chill & focused mind, the moment you start getting angry/upset/annoyed then you should stop & try later trust me

[tacit sonnet]

https://i.vgy.me/ciyvKT.jpg

[halcyon sigil]

even better they could be a great player having a terrible day or a terrible player being blessed by the emperor

[tacit sonnet]

Playing havocs is alright

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower I agree to that.

[steep flower]

Yeah nah that ain’t it chef

[tacit sonnet]

It's a difficult mode

yeah, it's a bad map

[pastel yew]

no way to know, I'd like to consider myself pretty okay

sometimes I have dog shit mission

sometimes I get omega lucky

[tacit sonnet]

But it's a problem that it's so hard to even start it

[pastel yew]

shit happens, I dont see the need to flame people for it

[tacit sonnet]

The whole looking for a party that wants to even accept you and then you get demoted on a loss unless you already have h40 is what's dogshit

[pastel yew]

but equally the team finder is just an active barrier

[tacit sonnet]

Not the gameplay itself

[pastel yew]

the upsetting thing about havoc is that will be the tailored hardmode

which means it will always be team finder locked

just make auric actually challenging, isnt that the point of the board

[sonic kayak]

Consignment Yard with purple and red enemies

[tacit sonnet]

This is the dogshit part

[pastel yew]

I will actively queue with people 5 levels lower than me if it lets me quickplay 🙏

[solid grail]

It's horrible, I even had a couple of leavers after they get downed once

[steep flower]

Or try discord; both are alright but lack of comunication takes a massive toll on the less experienced

[tacit sonnet]

Also, if I want to get TS with randoms

[solid grail]

That's on me for not using discord lfg

[steep flower]

Never

[tacit sonnet]

I have to be very picky and reject many requests

And I don't like it

[sudden cedar]

That is setting you up for failure.

[sonic kayak]

I just choose based on team composition

[steep flower]

As in; don’t use party finder for TS

[sonic kayak]

I either trust myself to adapt to the situation as it develops, or eat dirt

[pastel yew]

the thing is though, I mostly play darktide when my insomnia is bad. so I'm already wiped and am ready to just enter flow state, I dont want to come onto the discord and try scramble for a group, or to sit and wait in the game screen

I just wanna get in, win my mission and hopefully go bed

[tacit sonnet]

@steep flower what region are you?

[steep flower]

That is a no

For TS

[sudden cedar]

True Survivor requires communication, awareness, teamplay and perseverance. The ability to learn from mistakes and above everything, a relaxed approach to it.

[tacit sonnet]

Archivum sycorax or any assassination are awesome maps

[steep flower]

Europe, heading home & hungry like an ogryn

[tacit sonnet]

Awesome

[sudden cedar]

The moment you try to force it, it wont happen.

[steep flower]

Don’t forget humour in the mix to destress

[tacit sonnet]

Ideally without final toll or pox gas, other modifiers are fine

[sudden cedar]

@steep flower Including silly humour at times.

[pastel yew]

final toll is a metal name for a modifier

[tropic notch]

Im off today

[steep flower]

Magistrati mission can be very dicey

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/love-and-joy-dancing-cat-heart-is-full-of-love-and-joy-trinkets-trinkets-and-toys-gif-8137689065499612543

[pastel yew]

yknow... I'd actually be happy if they just made the maelstrom harder...double its conditions or add some of the havoc ones

good compromise

[steep flower]

You know; the prison boss

[tacit sonnet]

I thought you lived in freedom land

[tropic notch]

I do

[pastel yew]

archivum is super cool

[tacit sonnet]

a new maelstrom modifier is literally just baby mod

[sonic kayak]

Getting blown up twice, then eating an overhead meant for someone else

[pastel yew]

we dont get new maps frequently but they're always good~~ except the train one~~

[tacit sonnet]

It removes all enemies from the map

It's fucking boring

[pastel yew]

wait what

what'd they add

[tropic notch]

“Free range knife zealot”

[tacit sonnet]

You get corruption over time

[pastel yew]

ohhh

[tacit sonnet]

Except you don't because it's broken

And there are no enemy waves

[pastel yew]

ehhh yeah

[tacit sonnet]

Only roaming enemies

[pastel yew]

poxgas sucks for that

[steep flower]

No way

[tropic notch]

“Born and raised without any additives”

[tacit sonnet]

So it's literally just, there are no enemy waves

[tropic notch]

“No stims”

[tacit sonnet]

That's the entire modifier

There are less enemies

And nothing else

It's literally heresy levels of sleep

[pastel yew]

say it aint sooooo

[tacit sonnet]

You even get less money for it than a normal mission

[sudden cedar]

Seeing just how many people struggle when grimoires come into play, once that is fixed i'll be looking forward to it.

[tacit sonnet]

What's the fucking point

I KNOW

[pastel yew]

does anyone playing at a reasonable level actually struggle with those though

[past stratus]

havoc discussions such as this remind me of Mythic +

[tacit sonnet]

They made it literally just so noobs can get havoc unlocked

[sudden cedar]

You'd be surprised.

[pastel yew]

maybe I should go get into vermintide

[tacit sonnet]

what's that

[pastel yew]

honestly I'm dog at that game

[tacit sonnet]

vermintide is harder

[pastel yew]

yeah, but its something new to improve ate

I'm at the point with darktide where its either true solos or high havoc and

[past stratus]

it's a World of Warcraft thing

[tacit sonnet]

Also leveling characters in vt2 is very slow

[pastel yew]

the first gives no resources

and the second I do not want to do

[tacit sonnet]

I have all characters at lvl 30 only because of that event that tripled all xp

[pastel yew]

maybe its time to achieve inner peace

and become that guyt

on EVERY fatshark post

"WHERE SOLO MODE??? WHERE SOLO?"

[tacit sonnet]

Based

[steep flower]

[tacit sonnet]

ping me if you get a good map. Or I'll ping you if I find a decent one

[steep flower]

Will do; in the meantime wanna just climb up in havoc tonight? Would like to see you play & your builds

After i come home & eat ofc; never play when you’re hungry

[tacit sonnet]

My builds are fire, True survivor is all that I desire

[steep flower]

We shall see in due time

[tacit sonnet]

I beat h40 deathless before

[steep flower]

Awesome

[tacit sonnet]

I really would like to think I am at least decent

[steep flower]

Me 2

[tacit sonnet]

But can't promise anything, difficult to grade myself

[steep flower]

And thats why i said we shall see; gameplay will show everything & vc will be fun (i hope)

[pastel yew]

if you're able to survive hav40 regularly you're already leagues above the average player

have confidence

[tacit sonnet]

I have way less than 50% h40 winrate

So I wouldn't say regularly

[pastel yew]

still better, just gotta keep practicing

think that most people playing arent even able to clear auric consistently

[tacit sonnet]

True survivor is also not just a title

[steep flower]

Winrate ain’t shit; this isn’t a fking digital card game

[tacit sonnet]

It's a pass into good lobbies

[pastel yew]

I think average winrate over a set amount of games is

[steep flower]

Its a privelege

[tacit sonnet]

yes

[steep flower]

[pastel yew]

actually quite a good way of measuring your ability no?

[tacit sonnet]

I have cyber-falcon on my normal builds

And auric exemplar title for my havoc builds

[pastel yew]

obviously there are a lot of factors but you'd hope over X games those would become lesser compared to the sample size

[tacit sonnet]

Or whatever the good titles are

Havoc forged

[steep flower]

Not really; you may be good but when you get bad RNG or dogshit teammates or both you may lose

[pastel yew]

of course, but if you look at a large enough sample size your rng balances out

you cant always be perma unlucky

[steep flower]

In team-based games like this; team > individual

[pastel yew]

there comes a point where the only consistent thing in your sample is you though

[tacit sonnet]

Does my map change if I beat a lower havoc?

[pastel yew]

of course, but the individuals make up the team

[tacit sonnet]

Or does it have to be 40?

[pastel yew]

you contribute a % of that total

[steep flower]

Has to be 40

[tacit sonnet]

Damn

[steep flower]

Otherwise no change

[tacit sonnet]

h42 is really annoying

Don't like that you have to play a hacking minigame every time you swap weapons

[steep flower]

To me its fun but then again i like hard things… and old men

[tacit sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-funny-cat-gif-8207130040846002929

[sonic kayak]

For TS? Nah, in general

Clearing a room and having the horde spawn behind you

[bitter turtle]

I got TS on week 1 with pugs

Am I cool yet

[sonic kayak]

No

[bitter turtle]

[willow tendon]

Your temperature is likely still at a normal level

[tacit sonnet]

no

[bitter turtle]

My body temperature is relatively high

[tacit sonnet]

Do it again on current havoc

[bitter turtle]

But i have an AC unit pointed directly at me

[heavy rover]

I have an ecobee thermostat, am I cool?

[void dragon]

People wanting to be cool while I'm freezing here where I live

[willow tendon]

get out of the freezer

[void dragon]

No! It's colder outside!

[sudden kite]

boys

can i share my own moebian regiment with you guys

[past stratus]

ye

[void dragon]

Aye, I approve

[sudden kite]

Moebian 99th

Primary Recruitment from the planet Mornax,They excel at open terain battles, like wastelands, deserts, shrublands, or Winter wastelands.

The 99th's gear has adopted a brown and greyish coloration due to the enviroments they often find themselves. Typically accompanied with Grox leather due to the vicious enviromental storms they encounter. Surpising the dark brown and grey of the of the 99ths uniforms works well in dark, damp hive cities.

The gear of the 99th is somewhat poor, they use autoguns because of price, some have lasguns but its not universal and their flak armor tends to be self mended or rundown but still effective.

The 99th make for excelent survivalists is austere enviroments, often being well prepared for long marches and creating makeshift camps.

Due to autoguns running out ammo unlike rechargable lasguns packs, most memembers of the 99th take some time to train their melee skills.

Other Moebians have given the 99th the nickname "Wastlelanders", due to the often deployments outside of hive cities.

The 99th are good recon scouts, making them pretty renown marksmen amongst other Moebian regiments, they lack snipers due to funding though, but they can also dig in and hold the line as needed, setting traps for incoming enemies.

Recent reports from the 21st indicate that the 99th may have be sited in the hourglass pushing traitors back.

The 99th have deployed with Tallarn, Valhallan, Vostroyan, and Various Moebian units, most recently the 21st recon regiment.

Due to the mining on Mornax they have a abundance of ammo and autoguns stock piled.

Fought on Nox Secundus during the fringe wars.

Helped the Moebian 13th repel the orks on Haxorn.

[halcyon sigil]

honestly the infiltrators tactical set is a really nice armor set to base it on, was absolutely worth fumbling around with smokes and infiltrator to get it

[sudden kite]

i feel like its solid for some many things

plus i wanted something different from the basic stuff

[smoky sparrow]

rending strikes or onslaught for recon lasgun?

[hollow ibex]

Onslaught is a trap

Rending is usually good

[misty prairie]

what playstyles can the veteran go for? kinda interested in him

[tame lodge]

60/40 ranged melee

50/50

40/60 ranged melee

[zenith carbon]

10% grenade

[true gorge]

Vets can be a heavy hitter or dumb as bricks

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carrell-anchorman-where-did-you-get-a-hand-grenade-will-ferrell-brick-gif-8210807

[zenith carbon]

found it in my pocket

hows this look, just kinda using random weapons, currently recon and smaul

[heavy rover]

You can swap longshot to weapon specialist or focus target. Longshot's damage buffs don't come into effect until absurdly far distances

Or into Bring It Down / shocktrooper if you prefer a keystone-less build

I personally recommend shocktrooper for ammo efficiency, especially since you're already stacking crits on dodges

[orchid hemlock]

Longshot

[sonic kayak]

As a person with all of their characters from Mornax, I approve

Mornax ain't Branx but it's up there

[sudden cedar]

Incron or Crucis

[sonic kayak]

wRong

[sudden cedar]

Who wouldn't like a fishermans paradise

[sonic kayak]

Evidently anyone not from the Moebian 21st

[sudden cedar]

[sonic kayak]

Regiment of NCR Rangers lookin' asses

[sudden cedar]

The beautiful life of working in Algae Factoriums

With murderous working conditions and enviroment

You need to have faith for that

Altough my Arbitrator is from Messelina Gloriana

[sonic kayak]

So, Branx, Mornax, Mordia

What a coincidence, my favorite planets

[sudden cedar]

Mordia?

[nimble wadi]

@narrow frost why do some peeps use man-stopper/flachette on agri shotgun instead of full bore/no respite. Also is there any benefit to replacing full bore with man stopper?

[true gorge]

No

Full bore is the go.to

[tame lodge]

Losing Strength but gaining a chance of infinite cleave

[nimble wadi]

Hmmmm

Also with agri do you mainly use the alternate shell

[safe kiln]

Slug shell is great yes

[sonic kayak]

I think they renamed it to "Mordian" now, but it's the planet the Iron Guard come from

[sudden cedar]

True.

Mordian.

Isn't in Darktide tho.

[tame lodge]

Ads is good enough

Slug is for sniping or opening bulwarks

Or sitting down ogryns

[nimble wadi]

I feel like I'm not hitting breakpoints

[safe kiln]

Slug shell gets big full bore value since it only fires one projectile

[nimble wadi]

I have flak and unyielding but idk if I should change it

[bitter turtle]

Slug is only really necessary beyond 13m or so

Maybe even more now that they buffed them

[safe kiln]

Slug can onetap muties to the face with a crit not that that matters much (I also need to test this more)

[nimble wadi]

Is flak maniac better overall for shotty?

[safe kiln]

I don’t have the breakpoint sheet but probably.

[halcyon sigil]

flak and maniac tend to be pretty solid

[safe kiln]

Could take unyielding if u want some more boss dps but not worth if u lose any oneshot breakpoints on specials and gunners

[deep bone]

Peak

[nimble wadi]

Yeah I mainly took it for boss dps but I might switch back

[bitter turtle]

I do elite maniac just to make dreg gunners easier to 1tap without slug

[safe kiln]

Does it even help with reaper breakpoints?

[bitter turtle]

Idk if it's optimal but

Theres not a whole lot of flak you're shooting

[safe kiln]

Scab gunners really

[bitter turtle]

Yeah but they're paper anyway

[safe kiln]

True

Agri shotgun doesn’t really perform well into carapace even with the slug. The slug does alright but clunky and not really worth shooting into carapace

[zenith carbon]

this is too much ammo

i dont like it

[mighty anvil]

What if I told you 1 Arbitrator Talent is worth 8 vet talents

[tame lodge]

🤓

Actually 3

[zenith carbon]

bold of you to assume that the dog isnt also worth a psyker blitz and an ogryn primary as well

[tame lodge]

Operative modifiers are generic

https://tenor.com/view/imposter-tf2-it-could-be-you-it-could-be-me-spy-gif-23428031

[thorn lark]

ah yeah, vet, the class with talents denying entire part of the game economy of resources

[past stratus]

I'd say the dog is most of the time worth more than one whole team mate lmao

[thorn lark]

and also, can just say no to dmg for the entire team + aoe staggering of bosses

[safe kiln]

Well Psyker straight up removes themselves from game economy with staves and blitz :

[tame lodge]

Then all of the psyker blitzes are flawed in some ways

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[mighty anvil]

Vet needs a rework honestly

[thorn lark]

yeah a pathing rework, like zealot

and maybe another look to marksman

[past stratus]

MMF as it stands is a meme

[thorn lark]

you can't have 3 good KS on a class

there is always a dud lol

[safe kiln]

Looks at all of zealots keystones

[grand perch]

snail found a new way to deny me weakspot hits
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1390411110070489208/snail.mp4?ex=686828c1&is=6866d741&hm=d7164aa04e0b84147e70edc9465d5d51abc8ef7cf27a3ad5af121af96a8d3e34&

[safe kiln]

The way it just dips down lmao

[tame lodge]

Stairs huh

[grand perch]

these stairs do go down

[tame lodge]

Idk the video isn't loading

But I can assure you

[past stratus]

I have the hardest time hitting that weakspot. I can in my best days headshot a sniper from a mile away. But the shit in the back of the slime eludes me even when I'm standing next to it

[tame lodge]

This is nothing new

Fragging hate BoN

Ok it loaded

Bro hit a trick real quick

[faint beacon]

that MkIV on Havoc?

[heavy rover]

What do you mean too much ammo? Straight outta cutthroat vet: "Ammo, never enough!"

[grand perch]

it is

[heavy rover]

Helbore gaming

[safe kiln]

Anybody notice a new bug? With BoN

[grand perch]

with MMF build to be precise to counter GODDAMN PUS HARDENED

[safe kiln]

Hitting weak spot from the front

[faint beacon]

we love pus hardened

we love active counters to vet

[heavy rover]

Could be worse, could be on a level 20 havoc pus hardened

[grand perch]

not really, you get less resistance but much more hp

[heavy rover]

Fair

[heavy rover]

Well clearly the only answer is more daka and infernus

[tame lodge]

Overkill damage muhfuh

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-meme-robert-pattinson-suit-meme-my-honest-reaction-gif-9336155743238770356

[unreal nova]

When you run past them cos full.

[halcyon sigil]

ive noticed! thought FS had been nice and added a weakspot somewhere near the mouth

[austere mica]

It’s intentional

Mouth always had a higher hit zone than the body but now it has an actual weakspot

[halcyon sigil]

remind me, does agile engagements 5s period start from when you get the kill or when you swap weapons?

[safe kiln]

is it still reduced damage vs hitting the back? I remember melee hitting the back weakpoint deals bonus damage

[austere mica]

Yeah it’s still a lesser hitzone, but it benefits from weakspot mods

[past stratus]

Last time I tested was on kill but that was before the patch

[tacit spear]

holy shi i just unlocked the plasma gun ts so peak

[nimble wadi]

Hello Carpets I hope you are well

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[tacit spear]

so it seems to build heat and quell on special

what happens at max heat

does it kill you?

[tame lodge]

If uncharged shot

Auto vents

If charged shot

It blows up

[void dragon]

Only kills you on charged shot

[tame lodge]

Taking you down

[tacit spear]

gotcha

[tame lodge]

And if you're lucky

[tacit spear]

so like perils

if charged

[void dragon]

What's the % that is safe again? 80%?

[tame lodge]

I'd say higher

[stiff merlin]

the bayonet on the Helbore counts as ranged, correct?

[tame lodge]

Because the game counts 97% as critical peril

So should be the same for plasma

[hollow ibex]

No it’s melee

I mean you’re whacking them with a knife

[stiff merlin]

Damn, I was hoping to cheese Adept Assassin with it

[hollow ibex]

What’s that one again?

[stiff merlin]

Weapons Specialist crit weakspot hits kills

[hollow ibex]

Ah I got that naturally

WS is prob my most played keystone

[forest scaffold]

can someone post a picture of their vet build

I'm too lazy to relearn this tree

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f1c57f4-d600-4673-9d86-d7895f39af23/fresh-corpsestarch

[zenith carbon]

spent the whole mission crab walking, only 419 kills total, and the correct kills made barely a dent

[hollow ibex]

This can be cheesed with melee

[zenith carbon]

i know

[faint beacon]

Well finally got bored and got the actual "God Roll" TM within 1 Mil

[stiff merlin]

is bleed even worth it?

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[forest scaffold]

what makes this a god roll

is charge rate still bugged or something

[hollow ibex]

Depends, on what?

[faint beacon]

Prefect Stat Distribution

[stiff merlin]

the talent

[faint beacon]

I'll go get the guide one moment

[hollow ibex]

They fixed that but it’s the best roll for 8 shots uncharged and fire rate

[hollow ibex]

Usually no. It’s quite niche

[zenith carbon]

its not really cheese since you cant move much so melee is harder than ranged anyway

[forest scaffold]

noted

[zenith carbon]

its more that it can save some ammo so you can use gun more

[hollow ibex]

#veteran-class message

[tacit spear]

the hell is sainted

[faint beacon]

A mod where if you max out stats it becomes sainted

purely cosmetic

[tacit spear]

okidoki

[unreal bone]

Holy shit bro

People can NOT play the rolling steel mission

They can't figure it out

2 matches with the dumbest teammates alive

[heavy rover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/helbore-grenadier-havoc

[forest scaffold]

time to roll out with these two because I haven't played vet since before the armoury update and I deleted everything else because it was all trash

[tropic notch]

Only with uncanny

[tropic notch]

Sorry was me

[vague wigeon]

Fucking hell. After a lot of tries i finally figured out build that makes plasma playable

but only LMB spam plasma

[halcyon sigil]

nuuh! it was I

[tropic notch]

Das silly

[vague wigeon]

Tho probably i will remove out for blood for something else

[vague wigeon]

Only like this plasma has decent damage

[safe kiln]

huh..?

[vague wigeon]

And, finally, begins to oneshot stuff

[tropic notch]

[safe kiln]

i kinda want to see what your plasma gun looks like now

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

Rage bait

[vague wigeon]

This for now

[tropic notch]

We need plasma buffs

[safe kiln]

[vague wigeon]

Trade gdamage for cleave

Because what the point of cleave

If you can't kill shit

But with this build plasma finally can kill and even feels somewhat powerful

Tho you'll run out of aff in the first 1/3 of the mission but still

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1201362226842443837/1388271314338316298/OH.gif

How could he say such a thang

[loud belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/zzz-ellen-shake-ellen-joe-zenless-zone-zero-gif-4552391547437867698

[vague wigeon]

Tho my ol' trusty lasgun is still better due ammo efficiency

[tropic notch]

Rate my psyker build

[heavy rover]

not enough smite

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[vague wigeon]

Stil haven't checked my psyker bruh

[past stratus]

Plasma playable? I used that shit today for the first time and it felt like I was just point click deleting things

[hollow ibex]

It’s so boring

[past stratus]

its like Aim, die. Aim, die. Aim, die. Oh, it's hot, I guess I'll fuck around with my melee a little bit

[vague wigeon]

It should do this. But it fails unless you go every ranged damage node + exe + focus target

[past stratus]

oh maybe you're using them on Havoc

and the enemies have more hp

I just took it for a ride on Damnation because I just bought it, never used it before

[vague wigeon]

After all the lasgun clicking and holding down it kinda feels a bit fresh

[tropic notch]

He’s ragebaiting

[vague wigeon]

just a bit

[vague wigeon]

Auric maelstorms

[tropic notch]

Try aiming for da head instead of all dat

As shrimpel as

[vague wigeon]

You shouldn't

[tropic notch]

[vague wigeon]

plasma gun isn't a sniper rifle

[tropic notch]

[vague wigeon]

https://youtu.be/6xsUfM3twFA

If it has basically same breakpoints as lasgun - then it is lacking damage

And it has basically same breakpoints as lasgun

Tho i got a bit unlucky with flamer iirc

[narrow frost]

🍿

[tropic notch]

🍿

[vague wigeon]

And unlike plasma lasgun has more ammo and 'just shoot again' option

[tropic notch]

Anyone got any more popcorn?

[halcyon sigil]

Ilas weakspot focused build revised

i hate how doing anything in this tree is just a forever feeling of 'i wish i had one more point'

[vague wigeon]

True. lol

Knife + bolt pistol?

[halcyon sigil]

knife + Infantry Lasgun

[hollow ibex]

The good: you took iron will. The bad: you took longshit. The ugly: you spent 6 points on tax nodes.

[past stratus]

left side instead of superiority complex... woah....

[halcyon sigil]

tbf i wanted that 10% melee dmg node before agile

[past stratus]

isn't agile/ws in direct conflict with Longshot?

on a philosophical and practical level

[narrow frost]

yes

longshot is probably the worst vet talent rn too

reason its called longshit

[halcyon sigil]

not really? im not dependent on it for breakpoints but it makes a suprising difference compensating for the difficulty of long distance weakspot hits with heavier bodyshots

[hollow ibex]

Agile and WS conflict with Ilas tbh lol

[halcyon sigil]

also considering im aiming for heads all the time exhilirating takedown farms toughness like crazy

[past stratus]

you'd have like 1.5s to aim and shoot to get value out of Agile with that gun. Maybe they are a god gamer idk

[hollow ibex]

ET is ok but it effectively costs 2 points

[past stratus]

earlier today we had someone here saying Agile was good and easy to use

[hollow ibex]

Agile is good, just not with Ilas

[past stratus]

I'd use agile with the bolter pistol or the laspistol but idk if I'd use with a heavier and slower gun

[halcyon sigil]

i mean im liking agile, moreso for melee but it allows me some potent snapshots while fishing things out of a crowd

[vague wigeon]

It is good when it works.

The problem is that it almost never works

Distances over 15 meters are too rare

[narrow frost]

it only starts at 12.5 meters

and at that range its like 1% increase damage

[vague wigeon]

12.5?

I though 15

[narrow frost]

one sec

[past stratus]

as for longshot if you go into the psykanium, put your little marking on a mauler and walk to 30m you will see how little damage it does and how rare it is for you to get a clean shot at that distance. In most missions on a very claustrophobic hive city

under hive even

[vague wigeon]

Because it has good synegry with weapon spec

But i hate weapon spec

Don't like forced weapon swaps

Because if you don't swap it - you basically just wasted 1-3 talents points

[tall torrent]

It’s not enough to matter most of the time

[past stratus]

yeah it does but it's not a fit all talent. I think it only really fits for really... well agile setups. Fast pistols and revolvers

most of the time you're better off just picking something safer with those points

[vague wigeon]

Well, what else will you use with weapon spec if not pistols?

[narrow frost]

starts at 12.5

but at 15 its ~3%

[vague wigeon]

Only plasma maybe to abuse reload

But it doesn't worth it

[past stratus]

you can use pretty comfortably with Recon and some other somewhat faster guns. Specially if you have one motion

[vague wigeon]

Oh. How is this mod called?

[tall torrent]

This is not accurate
It only works when ranged weapon is in hand

[vague wigeon]

Because when i was testing it i've notived slight damage difference at 15+ meters

[narrow frost]

interesting, cause this is from Kuli

[vague wigeon]

Nvm found it

Enhanced Descriptions, right?

[past stratus]

That damage might not be exactly right but that's about the gist of it

get a helbore and test it, the damage increase is pretty pathetic to how limiting it is

[vague wigeon]

Maybe one day

Veteran will receive longlas

[narrow frost]

isnt helbore just a longlas?

[vague wigeon]

And we will have mission on wasteland outside of hive city

[narrow frost]

*what a longlas would be

[vague wigeon]

And them it will work

[vague wigeon]

Nope

Helbore is basically luscian lasgun

It's just more powerful lasgun

[narrow frost]

long range charge laser weapon

[vague wigeon]

Long-las supposed to be more powerful

[past stratus]

I want FS to look at the Veteran tree and think "why are we so stingy with this class?" and just up the numbers on things, remove some arbitrary shit gameplay loops. And I'll be happy

[vague wigeon]

+- as fully charged helbore imo

But it doesn't have to charge

[past stratus]

I don't need to be the strongest, I just need to feel like my talents are there to help me, not to meme me

[narrow frost]

also

on this

[halcyon sigil]

in terms of what would define a longlas in game? something that hits like a charged hellbore with an obnoxious scope on it id imagine

[narrow frost]

why are you hitting bodyshots with plasma?

plasma wants headshots

[vague wigeon]

I just wanna be cool tacticool boi

Run and gun everything down

Like stormtrooper

[vague wigeon]

Because if you need to land headshort to do oneshots on someone as basic a gunners - then all this damage is pointless because it's not enough

[narrow frost]

what

[vague wigeon]

Why would i take plasma to oneshot gunner into the head if i can do the same with lasgun?

With much more comfortable sight

[narrow frost]

cleave

[vague wigeon]

Better ammo

Better accuracy

[narrow frost]

and it can 1 shot more things

[vague wigeon]

And better RoF

[narrow frost]

infantry las cant 1 shot 5 gunners with 1 shot

[vague wigeon]

Plasma can't too, because they basically never line up like this

[narrow frost]

and health/hitmass scaling in havoc breaks that logic

[past stratus]

can it one shot a single gunner? Infantry doesn't pack this much punch does it?

[narrow frost]

patrols and gunners taking over

pretty easy

especially in havoc/auric

[halcyon sigil]

mine can

[past stratus]

is it during the exec window?

[vague wigeon]

Nope. Because unlike plasma lasgun it's limited to 8 shots before overheat.

As i said, lasgun has 'just shoot again' option

[past stratus]

or normally?

[vague wigeon]

Plasma doesn't

[vague wigeon]

Welp, maybe with ragers it will help

[halcyon sigil]

or past 14 meters, or during the weapon specialist window

[vague wigeon]

iirc close range in the game is 12 and less meters, right?

[past stratus]

Interesting, don't think I ever used the Infantry with WS. Back then I used Focus most of the time

[narrow frost]

12.5

[vague wigeon]

Ffs

Why tf close range is so... long?

[halcyon sigil]

i think so, the Ilas itself also does less/more damage depending on how close/far targets are which is fun to calculate

[elder vessel]

Rapier Saltzpyre would insta clap any Duelling Sword reject

[halcyon sigil]

tbf though for targets within 14 meters i can afford to rapid fire

hard to miss

[vague wigeon]

Huh? Never noticed this

Always saw same sreakpoints

[elder vessel]

A vet zel and a psyker at the same time, saltz would neg diff

[narrow frost]

it was 8 meters I think back before crafting update

[past stratus]

played V2 with some friends the other day, I miss that melee combat so much 😭

[halcyon sigil]

if you stand on the other side of the psykanium youll do more damage than if youre standing in their face, even without longshot

[elder vessel]

its still here?

[past stratus]

here?

[elder vessel]

here

go play V2

its still here

[past stratus]

ahh

my friends want to play DT

[elder vessel]

quickplay

[past stratus]

I like DT too

but I miss playing my GOAT Bardin

[vague wigeon]

Yeah, i remember it was something close

But at least now i get why dumdum works on my recon las almost always

[hollow ibex]

It’s technically even longer. 12.5m is when close range effects START scaling down lol

[deep bone]

I’m looking for a good infantry LasGun set up

[hollow ibex]

Good. Ilas. Pick one

[deep bone]

I was thinking about using the Mk.IX what blessings would I run on it

I was thinking headhunter and Deadly accurate

[fossil basalt]

what do put on agrip shotgun?

[hollow ibex]

Is IX the slowest one?

[deep bone]

Yea

[hollow ibex]

Full bore no respite

[vague wigeon]

Use basic one

[hollow ibex]

It’s shit. Use VII or II

[vague wigeon]

Basic kantrael

[hollow ibex]

Which are a bit less shit

[fossil basalt]

"fuck you" button, got it

[deep bone]

Mk.VII is the one I usually use

[vague wigeon]

Lemme check my lasgun build

[deep bone]

What blessings would I wanna run?

[vague wigeon]

• crit chance on weakspot and + damage on weakspot crik

[hollow ibex]

No

[vague wigeon]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

Check the second pin

[hollow ibex]

Or that lol

[vague wigeon]

Bruh what bullshit is this

[hollow ibex]

The actual way to build it

[vague wigeon]

that's bullshit

you don't need maniac damage

Ghost MIGHT work

But you won't have enough damage

[hollow ibex]

I’ll take it from the guy that actually knows about the game and has tested breakpoints

[tall torrent]

checked, was changed maybe

[acoustic trench]

it's fine if you disagree but you don't gotta be a jerk about it

[narrow frost]

I see

[vague wigeon]

Bruh i got backend error

[serene bough]

I do flak + elite w/ ghost + HH

IIb

Idk about VII

[past stratus]

Ghost is neat

[vague wigeon]

You need something like this

With something like this

[barren nimbus]

I cant wait for the plasma nerfs man

[vague wigeon]

Don't remember my build exactly

[manic cloak]

Weakspot Damage as a perk my dude?

That's tough to see brother

[vague wigeon]

Weakspot crit*

[manic cloak]

Brosef, look at the perks, not the blessings

[vague wigeon]

Yeah, missclicked a bit

Tho weakspot damage will still work all-around

[past stratus]

today I watched a video of two ogryns and two arbites speed running Havoc 40 in 15 minutes. I can't wait for veteran to be nerfed.

[manic cloak]

I'll be honest, this is the most pre-Arbites Malice setup I've seen.

[past stratus]

As someone said earlier, VoC is a crutch and overpowered, it needs to be nerfed.

[tall torrent]

Holy shit this is even worse

[narrow widget]

all i needed to hear
another 3 nerfs for survivalist!

[manic cloak]

I'm offering my thoughts and prayers at the moment.

[tall torrent]

He might just be a master baiter

[past stratus]

delete survivalist, remove gold toughness and reduce stagger from VoC

[vague wigeon]

Bruh you're just trolling bro

[narrow widget]

cripple veteran's legs

[vague wigeon]

this things clears maelstorms like nothing

[deep bone]

I just want them to buff the other abilities tbh

[vague wigeon]

The only issue is that you have to run exe which kinda harms survivability

[past stratus]

Veterans needs to learn to play without the safety of VoC, we're known for our insane resilience right?

[manic cloak]

So does a W-key only left click Orgyn, broseidon. It's 2025 Darktide.

[vague wigeon]

And yet plasma struggled to clear even regular damnation pre-arbitres patch xD

[narrow widget]

swap to arbites and make the same build but castigators stance
ftfy

[barren nimbus]

I got insta killed at the start of the mission by a barrel the other day

[halcyon sigil]

become a machine that turns damage into toughness

[manic cloak]

This is wild. Screenshotting for future use.

[past stratus]

Did you try to press VoC? I bet you didn't

[narrow widget]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[hearty turtle]

@tall torrent what are the best curios for vet?

[narrow widget]

stamina toughness toughness

[tame lodge]

[vague wigeon]

Finally logged in. Nope, this is the way.

[manic cloak]

Did you just respond to your own post?

[narrow widget]

[vague wigeon]

Yeah, i was trying to remember what lasgun i use to advice the the dude

[halcyon sigil]

stamina can be health if you dont mind moving like an ogryn, and if you take +5% toughness perks on them all that basically adds up to another toughness curio

[manic cloak]

Alright, that's enough Vet chat for the week. You keep those brothers safe in Malice while I'm gone, will ya?

[hollow ibex]

Vet too op

[vague wigeon]

And the only thing i remembered wrong is +1 stamina node instead of movespeed

[vague wigeon]

Nah, bro i'm not doing your job

Unlike you i ain't going lower than aurics

[safe kiln]

is this bait this has to be bait

[narrow widget]

master baiter

[halcyon sigil]

eat bait, good nosh

[vague wigeon]

It's not

The problem is that there are not vets it vet chat

[narrow widget]

rashuns

hi im a vet one trick

[main hull]

Aint all Vets here? :o

[narrow widget]

bronze 2 vet

[vague wigeon]

I'd rather believe that this is some zealot psyop than that someone actually count plasma as good

[tall torrent]

Perks or blessings

[narrow widget]

curios dont have blessings

[vague wigeon]

Bc this is some servitor-brain level take with all the evidence you can see

[tall torrent]

Maybe you’re just wrong more often than you’d like to admit

[tall torrent]

For some reason game recognizes the main stat as “blessing”

[narrow widget]

wtf

[tall torrent]

At least the atoma cloud webpage says so

[vague wigeon]

I just tell that i see in the game. Basically you're telling that the game is wrong

[tall torrent]

You test barely anything and have some many of the most questionable takes ever

[past stratus]

Curios are blessed by the omnissiah? I guess??

[vague wigeon]

Bro i've spend weeks testing and proving that none of these bullshit plasma builds works

[hearty turtle]

Both

[vague wigeon]

And after last argument i was still running it building something that actually works

[safe kiln]

im sorry but actively watching you avoid headshots with the plasma is infuriating lol. try lasgun and not aiming at heads and it will perform terribly

[vague wigeon]

You don't aim to te head with plasma

[past stratus]

My curios I've been using three toughness but I miss my two toughness one health setup.

[vague wigeon]

Just like you don't do this with flamer

[barren nimbus]

you dont need to hit headshots in non havoc tbh

[vague wigeon]

Because is plasma has to hit weakspots to reach same breakpoints as lasgun, then it lacks damage

[tall torrent]

I run 2 toughness + 1 health for main stats

3x sprint efficiency
2x gunner resist
The rest sorta depends, can go toughness/health/revive/cooldown

[vague wigeon]

Simple as

[barren nimbus]

the reason breakpoints are important is because it takes a second to fire another shot

[vague wigeon]

And in case of gunners this 'breakpoint' is oneshot

[tall torrent]

On gunners and flamers, if u don’t want to gamble with crit RNG, u do

[vague wigeon]

If it can't oneshot gunner with bodywshot then it needs more damage

[barren nimbus]

whats the hp increase for havoc 40? that seems kinda crazy

[tall torrent]

No this is for base game

In havoc it’s not a 1 tap

[barren nimbus]

it is at like 30 heat or something right

[tall torrent]

You pretty much just need red nodes to push plasma to hipfire 1 tap in havoc

Unless ur running meme build

[vague wigeon]

You do, bruh. Even or regular damnation.

[barren nimbus]

just spam more shots then, you have infinite ammo

[vague wigeon]

You won't be able to oneshot flamer withour maniac blessing

[tall torrent]

lol what

Just shoot them in the head it’s not that complicated

[vague wigeon]

With lasgun - yeah

[barren nimbus]

yeah Im not sure, I do remember 1hping a lot of gunners in havoc 40. do you know the heat percentage you need

[vague wigeon]

With plasma if you didn't killed it with one tap - you're fucked

[narrow widget]

what

[barren nimbus]

bro you can not deal damage in damnation and you would still complete it

[narrow widget]

guys is he baiting im not sure anymore

[barren nimbus]

i play with my friend who does basically nothing

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1389938964781338645/Screenshot_20250702_080102.png?ex=6867c289&is=68667109&hm=1533c67e11b104b32a3e5e301e7b7ef8579c47f0b80f46d06aa6da91992a0453&

[tall torrent]

He’s either remarkably resilient in being dumb or baiting

[barren nimbus]

thats insane that a crit is that ass

thats not even a critical

[vague wigeon]

So?

How does it change the fact that plasma struggles even on damnation?

[tall torrent]

Both flamer have up to 2100 maniac health in havoc

Dreg gunner has up to 2100 health in havoc and has unarmored weakspot

Scab rager has up to 1800 health in havoc and has flak weakspot

[vague wigeon]

Revolver performs better

Ilas performs better

Recon is just OP

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You cannot push plasma to 1 tap in havoc without meme build or red nodes

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This excludes pus hardened

[barren nimbus]

what is a red node? red heat?

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Marksman / CQKZ / FTE

[barren nimbus]

oh

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The +damage on ability use talents

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I swear on my life I have one shotted gunners though

I thought gunners had 1400 hp

[vague wigeon]

At least if you build it correctly. I really don't mind recon melting stuff

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On damnation yes

Dreg gunner has 1400

[barren nimbus]

I literally only play havoc

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In havoc it goes up to 2100 for Dreg gunner

[vague wigeon]

[barren nimbus]

hmmmmm

[vague wigeon]

Now dudes got confused

[past stratus]

you know who can one shot a gunner? Arby's Shield Mace Heavy attack :D

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Not even in base game lol

It’s like 900 smth

[vague wigeon]

Ffs this is why i tell you guys to play the game before making any stupid claims following the herd

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Why do u have many of the worst takes of all time then

[barren nimbus]

????

Im gonna solo load a havoc 40 and check this shit out

[vague wigeon]

I speak the truth. You may hate me as much as you wish, but this is so

[tame lodge]

Is any of the Arby's weapon able to one shot important stuff

[halcyon sigil]

a mod to test havoc level enemies in the psykanium would be neat

[vague wigeon]

You guys got confused in your own trolling

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Boltpistol, in base game

[vague wigeon]

Anyway, i gotta go sleep

[barren nimbus]

the dog at level 1 essentially does

[past stratus]

lemme see if I can find the footage, this was me watching a lone wolf fella play havoc yesterday

[tall torrent]

Your “truth” is as contorted and twisted as your agenda

[frank basin]

are you the same guy claim mk2 recon is best?

[hollow ibex]

You should practice what you preach buddy

[vague wigeon]

My truth is proved by the games

Oh wait, you don't play the game

[tame lodge]

Ooh good for Bistol
Anything else?

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You putting crit damage on a gun already said everything lmfao

You have absolutely zero clue what ur talking about

[elder vessel]

crazy how the duelling sword has such bad janky and unappealing animations compared to the rapier, when almost every other weapon is animated 200% better than any vermintide weapon

[barren nimbus]

@tall torrent at 40 heat my plasma gun is dealing 2k damage to this reaper, so with unarmoured it would be pushed to 2500 or something

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Look at the table I sent and do the maths from there

[vague wigeon]

Whatever helps you sleep at night and cope with the fact that i'm better at hte game

[barren nimbus]

idk how heat works

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This is an insane level of cope

[barren nimbus]

is it 1% damage for 1% heat

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I’m genuinely impressed

[small wraith]

recon and plasma are actually so bad, if you arent using shredder pistol then you are throwing tbh, everybody else just has no game experience like me

smh

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No

You first gotta understand what buffs u actually have for ur weapon

[frank basin]

aren't you same guy use middle recon prove they are best?

[narrow widget]

real g's know vigilant autogun is the most meta

[vague wigeon]

Ye-ye, bro. Call me once you reach heresy threat level, mkay?

Goodnight

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Did u get Poxbreaker yet lmfao

[elder vessel]

[barren nimbus]

are you sure your chart is correct? because I have a standard meta build and I am dealing 1400 damage to a gunner

[past stratus]

I think this fella is having a little hehehaha with us btw

[barren nimbus]

I dont have 10% rending

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Look at what I wrote in there
+10% ranged damage equivalent

• Precision strikes

[small wraith]

I have tested the breakpoints extensively in uprising meat grinder, everybody else is so dumb its crazy

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This is literally just those two

[barren nimbus]

why am I oneshotting this gunner at full hp

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You can add extra stuff in there and it’ll need to be calculated according to how the game treats damage bonuses

[frank basin]

damnation is max

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For example

[safe kiln]

sup complex, +15% bonus to elites maybe

[narrow widget]

"I shot 30 guardsmen in the Mourningstar! Here were the results!"

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Unarmored at those values is 1115

If you add superiority complex it should be 1267

If u add 10% elite on top of superiority complex it should be 1368

Which is still not enough to reach Dreg gunner 1hs in base game

[barren nimbus]

why am I killing it then?

bro join my call

[tall torrent]

Show me ur full build and buffs

I’m outside rn

[barren nimbus]

you dont have to talk

just watch my stream

[tame lodge]

I put 100 rejects in the meat grinder, the last one to reach breakpoints wins this ship

[tall torrent]

Just send build page lol

[frank basin]

okay who was the guy use middle recon say they the best?

i remember him streaming it

[frank basin]

but who?

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Ok let’s do the maths

With 10% ranged damage + precision strikes, 1115 vs unarmored

With +25% vs unarmored perk, 1394 vs unarmored

With superiority complex, 1584 vs unarmored elite

[frank basin]

is this 3 shot?

[past stratus]

I was wrong, it was the Bash ability + a Heavy attack on what seemed to be an already electrified target. I just rewatched it

[barren nimbus]

yeah my 4th shot dealt 2k damage

[tall torrent]

As expected

[past stratus]

Break the Line is the name?

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If it’s electrified it prob got hit by smth else already

[past stratus]

you know the dashy one

[frank basin]

break the line

[barren nimbus]

ok, that makes sense, but dont you think everyone has these perks. idk I guess I was just confused by you saying you couldnt one shot gunners

when you can

with no red

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I said u can’t one tap gunner in havoc scaling

Where Dreg gunner has up to 2100 health

[barren nimbus]

you can at 40% heat

[frank basin]

pus hardened

[barren nimbus]

I could have absolutely sworn the reason they reworked havoc was to remove pus hardened

[frank basin]

the add it back

[barren nimbus]

they did? lmao

[tall torrent]

Ok let’s do the maths again
40% heat means 2 stacks of rising heat which is +8% strength

On top of the existing calculation, should be 1710 vs unarmored elite on weakspot

Cannot 1 tap

[barren nimbus]

I just showed you 2k damage man come on

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Did u seriously believe unyielding to be the same thing as unarmored

Be honest

I won’t judge

[barren nimbus]

I dont have unyielding on

so if this target was unarmoured I would deal 2500 damage

[tall torrent]

Uh

Are you even aware that unyielding is not the same as unarmored?

They’re 2 different armor types?

[frank basin]

is the Precision strike

[barren nimbus]

how do you not know what im saying

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You don’t even have the same base damage against them

[barren nimbus]

I am dealing 2k damage without unyielding

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To an unyielding enemy

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so do you agree

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Which says absolutely NOTHING about damage vs unarmored

Lmfao

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with unyelding I would deal 2500

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To unyielding, yea

[barren nimbus]

ok

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But Dreg gunner is not unyielding

[barren nimbus]

so imagine this reaper is a havoc 40 gunner

and I deal 2k damage to it without unarmoured

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But they’re not

They don’t have the same armor types

[barren nimbus]

isnt unyielding stronger?

[frank basin]

reaper scale health again

[barren nimbus]

so I would deal more dmage

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No it’s literally just a matter of what armor type it is lol

[safe kiln]

^

[frank basin]

unyielding sound like manic 2.0

[barren nimbus]

are you seriusly gonna make me load into a havoc 40

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No

I’m just telling u

Believing a havoc gunner to be unyielding

Is wrong

[barren nimbus]

omg man

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They’re not the same armor type

[barren nimbus]

I dont have anything that has bonuses to unyielding

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A Dreg gunner doesn’t magically become unyielding by loading into havoc

[barren nimbus]

dude

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I get that you’re very frustrated at being told that you’re wrong

But you are

[frank basin]

there is 20% dmg deal to ogyrn enemy

[barren nimbus]

I dont have it

[frank basin]

ik

[barren nimbus]

how does nobody understand this

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First off do u understand what armor types are

[safe kiln]

Doesn’t the breakpoint chart literally point out that plasma does more to unyielding than unarmoured lol

[frank basin]

if you wanna sacrifite point talent

[barren nimbus]

okay guys I am going to put the ogryn perk on and deal 2400 damage

for this simulation

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It won’t be

[barren nimbus]

ok lets find out

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It’s gonna be like 2.31k smth

But that pic was already wrong