veteran-class

[elder vessel]

BH with steel crescendo and flail + crossbow

[undone jungle]

Tuff

[torn gorge]

mk3 exec is the ghetto version of saltz chicken legs

[undone jungle]

Shade also got THP on cleave she's so busted now

[deep bone]

I honestly loved playing Witch-Hunter Captain with the Brace of pistols and a rapier

[hollow ibex]

i'm confused

so the new auric already has high intensity applied

but now it can get high intensity so it's extra high intensity?

[torn gorge]

more density

[unreal nova]

Is now high int compounded.

[torn gorge]

idk if that also translates with HISTG

[tame lodge]

High² intensity

[hollow ibex]

was it not applied correctly before this hotfix?

[midnight totem]

High Int Squared

[hollow ibex]

because auric felt kinda boring

[unreal nova]

Who knows. But auric was just damnation but you can see congalines at times.

[midnight totem]

H^2ISTG

H²ISTG

[fast lichen]

can the braced autogun work on a executioner stance build?

[unreal nova]

Just why?

[fast lichen]

for the funny\

[unreal nova]

You are better off with Inf auto at that point tbh.

[torn gorge]

there was no high intensity post arbites patch

[unreal nova]

BAG doesn't do that much hitting heads compared to bodies.

[nimble wadi]

For agri shotgun do I want flak maniac or maniac unyielding or flak unyielding

[unkempt river]

finally got a no hit run to finish my killshots duty penances

on an auric rolling steel no less

[normal bay]

There was, it was just the base for new auric. They even say that in the blog post.

Hi-Int is a new tier of spawns

[hollow ibex]

yeah was like i could've sworn that i saw hi int in auric

right after arbites patch

[normal bay]

Probably broken

[hollow ibex]

some of t he best vet cosmetics tbh

[normal bay]

This is darktide after all

[torn gorge]

what i meant is that the maps with HI didnt do anything as stated

since patch

and ye i did read the new baseline

[faint beacon]

You know those like

random seeds on old Auric Damn

HISTG

where the director was just determined the throw literally everything at you non-stop

5 billion bursters

that type of shit

Im noticing that to be slightly more frequent on HISTG Auric

[torn gorge]

im mostly seeing more gunners in HI maps tbh

now

[faint beacon]

Unironic Mutant trains

[normal bay]

Ah yes, the hidden "fuck you" modifier

[faint beacon]

6 of them running out of a door to butcher the psyker

[torn gorge]

i hope that also translates into more challenging HISTG maps

[normal bay]

Right after they used the medicae of course

[faint beacon]

HISTG Auric Rolling Steel

[torn gorge]

beed there done that

[hollow ibex]

nice

[torn gorge]

not very adrenaline inducing

[hollow ibex]

i need to try that

[torn gorge]

rn

[hollow ibex]

the auric after arbites patch was pretty boring

[faint beacon]

Also is it just me or are the axes actually

bisecting enemies now

[hollow ibex]

people were top fragging with like 400k damage lmfao

[faint beacon]

Combat and Tac Axe

[torn gorge]

back in the early days when rolling steel was almost a guaranteed fail in pubs

[faint beacon]

Like im just swinging and I'll notice a few gunners get bisected from the swing

[normal bay]

If you were using the event modifier, those seem broken. Barely anything spawns lol

[torn gorge]

inferno?

[unkempt river]

Buffed shock maul you want skullcrusher hammerblow right?

[normal bay]

Yeah

[hollow ibex]

i mostly just did QP

[torn gorge]

ye just going through the scoreboard

decent amount of specials

but otherwise not much

in terms of elites

there should always be a C I VI map on the board

also this is probably a new patch thing

@icy flume sorry for the ping but maybe this is a new bug to pass along

[unkempt river]

The visibility is certainly reduced

[ancient path]

good morning vet chat

[torn gorge]

i dont think inferno HISTG has changed btw

similar numbers at the end

[hollow ibex]

i guess i'll just pick normal HITSG missions

[grand perch]

i was hoping theyd remove goddamn pus hardened modifier but they fucking didnt

can they stop cucking us

[sonic kayak]

You get.. mmmm

Orange and pus hardened

Done

Content

[torn gorge]

you forget also pink aura

[sonic kayak]

True, can't forget that

Trappers surviving a rock and healing!

[unreal nova]

Purple?

You mean forced speedrun mission since nothing dies.

[normal bay]

Pus hardened affects rocks

[torn gorge]

no thats clearly pink or magenta not purple

the purple is the left capstone outline

[unreal nova]

Is purple. Like the dook recon mark is brown.

[unreal nova]

That's also purple, another shade of it.

I think.

I used it like once and dropped the idea.

I like my bonks.

[torn gorge]

sigmar bless these colourblind people

[unreal nova]

That recon is brown though.

Real colourblind see it as red.

[unkempt river]

what blessings should i be taking for helbore

[faint beacon]

Soyjak Veteran with a huge medal that says “Unintentionally nerfed again award”

[marsh shard]

Its weird, see vets on reddit claiming dogless Arbites is better Vet

[faint beacon]

I mean when you can sit still in a massive firefight and outgun the veteran cause of your DR and TDR

[narrow frost]

If they mean grenade Regen, no

Demoteam exists

[faint beacon]

can you blame them in a way?

But grenade regen no

Not by a mile

[marsh shard]

But Arbites doesn't get Vet ammo economy, plasma gun, VoC, or 5% chance to get nades every elite/special kill by self or allies in addition to an additional nade per minute

And shredders are the business

[faint beacon]

My only issue with the class is the absolutely insane DR they can rack up

It’s not Ogryn level but holy shit

[marsh shard]

Their whole schtick is tanking and staggering.

Its like VT2 FK

[faint beacon]

I don’t think it’s healthy for a class to be able to casually W M1 through the entire map with little no drawbacks

Cause I can’t just sit in at all near a gunner patrol cause I’ll die immediately

Aka I have to respect it and take cover

Arby and Ogryn can both run at them and immediately shut it down

Whilst taking minimal damage

[marsh shard]

Thats what theyre designed to do.

Can say its unhealthy for Vets to have method to sustain ammo usage in a game balanced around ammo scarcity

See Arbites all the time running around map like crack fiends searching for ammo tins

[faint beacon]

I don’t understand why you’re defending such a blatantly overpowered class

Besides I’ve seen plenty of them not need ammo, and also they all tunnel vision and actively ignore their team focusing on just grinding out as much damage as possible

[marsh shard]

There are some p nasty bugs going on with Arbites right now.

Nuncio reducing damage by 70% instead of 30%, Bistol/Boltor causing the dogsplosion to apply max bleed stacks to everything in the area, etc...

The main thing I feel needs nerfed that isnt a bug is prob the Arby Shock Maul. Atm is absolutely dumpsters Crushers, 2hko with ease and the special is overperforming

[faint beacon]

I’m pretty sure that’s things finesse was already high and FS in their wise wisdom made it even more, cause I recall it wasn’t intended to dumpster carapace that quickly

[marsh shard]

The arby maul

Not the old school shock maul

The arby maul is on par with DS4 in terms of strength imo

Both need to be tuned down

[ancient path]

Nuncio reducing damage by 70% instead of 30%, Bistol/Boltor causing the dogsplosion to apply max bleed stacks to everything in the area, etc...

this one i kinda expected because it works on vet grenades, too. i feel like if they fix that, theyll fix vet grenades and itll make me sad.

[chilly gale]

Is it just me or does Veteran feel SUUUPER squishy after running any of the other classes for a few missions?

[ancient path]

vet is kinda squishy without voc or voc on cd yeah

[unreal bone]

Can they sell this damn recolor already

[elder vessel]

In VT2 this is balanced by stagger tanks having an appropriate amount of mobility and lower damage,
Arby has too much damage and too many dodges

[chilly gale]

And amazing CC, and great toughness...

[faint beacon]

In order to make yourself less squishy you need Close order and Iron will

[faint beacon]

That’s honestly just a gripe I have with Arbites

[ancient path]

oh yeah, theyre great.

but out of the rest of the classes, vet is kinda squishy

not our bag, i dont think, unless you spam voc

flex cockadookie class with precision dps to take out specials at almost any range

or any range, really.

[faint beacon]

Arbites Is probably doing that as well cause I’m purposely playing more vet so I don’t get a bad habit of staying in bad positions for too long

[marsh shard]

Holy hell, they broke the dog bleed

In the patch

[faint beacon]

As in fixed or made it even worse

[snow pendant]

is it a stupid idea to bring lasgun to damnation and above missions ?

cuz idk what to pair it with to deal against carapace

[marsh shard]

It nukes everything with bleed stacks

[ancient path]

which lasgun

the answer is, no it isnt. lasguns are good

[ancient path]

krak, power sword, combat axe.

c. axe wont be as effective as a psword but its a fun weapon

if youre feeling like a tier whore, combat knife and dueling sword

[faint beacon]

I fucking refuse to use DS

I’ll stoop to knife

But I refuse to do DS lmao

[hollow ibex]

Isn’t it working as intended now

It was always supposed to cause 8 bleed within 2.5m

[snow pendant]

infantry lasgun my problem is that p.sword sucks if is not charged and grenades alone aint gonna solve horde or carapace on their own

[hollow ibex]

Ilas sucks hard

Prepare to suffer

[ancient path]

infantry las is fine. and you just have to get used to pswords clunkiness.

learn how to block cancel the activation

youre gunna need it if you rock infantry lasguns

[snow pendant]

having to charge even to swing at hordes feels bad

[ancient path]

it's either that or just use combat axe

combat axe isnt as effective as psword but you dont have to worry about activation

[hollow ibex]

You can use Taxe too

[ancient path]

ive also had decent success w/ shock maul

[tacit spear]

is the stealth good or useable at all

[ancient path]

its okay

it unfortunately shares powers with voice of command

but its a crutch/clutch button

pop it and save your friends, yourself, etc.

or for funny krak memes against bosses

[tacit spear]

okidoki

[snow pendant]

vet melee is so weird is either good vs armor or good vs horde no in between other than p.sword

[hollow ibex]

Worse than VOC but it’s all I run

[ancient path]

yeap.

vets have to make a choice

[tacit spear]

so its at least fun?

[ancient path]

ye

[tacit spear]

whats like

the style

actually what does it even do aside from invisibility ive never used it

[hollow ibex]

Press F when a wall of crushers show up

[ancient path]

lol

true

[tacit spear]

never even read it

[hollow ibex]

Psyker behind you gets flattened

[ancient path]

invis, drops aggro, restores toughness

[hollow ibex]

You uncloak and kill everything

[tacit spear]

any like crit buff or anything

[ancient path]

then you bumrush the line of gunners and stab em

[hollow ibex]

All in a days work. It’s an honest living

[ancient path]

theres a node for damage buff after uncloaking

[tacit spear]

kk

[ancient path]

but you mostly use it to cover your own mistakes/overextensions, kill that line of pesky gunners that just spawned, or to kill a psyker.

or to pick buddies up

[snow pendant]

tfw a psyker melts harder than you cuz scrier build

[ancient path]

just how it is in da guard.

[tacit spear]

i love sg

[snow pendant]

and vet just to shout

[tacit spear]

my beloved

[ancient path]

we dont have to deal with a buncha dumb mechanics and a high skill ceiling

we just shoot

and scream

[snow pendant]

like seriously i got a scrier psyker and no problem just wholloping anything but monsters

vet see a bunch of armor and cries if he didnt bring boltgun or plasma

or revolver

[ancient path]

i mean

psword is right there

its why we have it

[snow pendant]

cuz i play damnation or higher and i dont got enough grenades to really get them all

[ancient path]

learning how to block cancel the charge for psword is vital and makes it feel a lot better

or use the less complicated but less effective, as mentioned answers

we have the tools

[normal bay]

Time to pull out your melee if your ranged/grenade can't deal with it

[grand perch]

i was asked to bring voc into havoc 38 when i had exec + mmf helbore build

the horror

of arby and ogryn not getting golden toughness

[slow mica]

Arbites players think they are the MC sometimes

[marsh shard]

It applies the stacks again and again with each bite to primary target from what we saw

[hollow ibex]

lol what the fuck

I need to test again

[snow pendant]

is time to get messy !

[heavy rover]

For the mk iv helbore I've been split between maniac and carapace or maniac and unyielding. Thoughts?

[trim badger]

"You don't understand we NEED gold toughness to survive otherwise You CAN'T BEAT HAVOC!"

[grand perch]

dont do maniac doesnt really give new BPs iirc if you have exec

[trim badger]

But to be fair tho

Shout build destroys

550k on monstrosities 😭

[grand perch]

impressive

[trim badger]

DS nerfs gonna tank this build tho

[faint beacon]

I’ve realized with a FT EStance build I can still run Demo stock and team and use Taxe on Agri 9

[grand perch]

what build anyway

[faint beacon]

I might be cooking something here

[grand perch]

why wouldnt you be able to do that?

[faint beacon]

Tax on the tree

I’m very used to not being able to get shit I want

[grand perch]

exe stance is very based anyway

[vague wigeon]

Hm...

Guys. Is there any point to pushing enemy armor into negative values?

I'm running tests and can't see the difference

[narrow frost]

do you mean stacking brittleness?

[vague wigeon]

Brittleness + rending

I try knife with uncanny strike and onslaught

[trim badger]

I think no

[faint beacon]

I’d rather just path down Close Order and Iron will for DR and then use EStance cause at this point I’d rather have the extra damage to fight against Arby players

[trim badger]

As far as I can understand You can only deal 100% of your dmg

You can't make an enemy take more damage than what your max damage is

[grand perch]

you can though

[trim badger]

You can????

I've never seen this

[grand perch]

its not very good though

[faint beacon]

it gives like 25% of your max total based on the rending

[grand perch]

any rending + brittleness that pushes past 100% armor damage is converted into raw damage bonus at 25% value

[faint beacon]

It’s like super small

[faint beacon]

Yeah that

[grand perch]

not worth it. rending and brittleness stacking is a bit of a trap

very dependant on the weapons ADM values imo

[vague wigeon]

So it doesn't work

Okay

Damn

[trim badger]

25%... Interesting

[grand perch]

not really

10% rending becomes 2.5% bonus damage

meh

[trim badger]

I get it

[faint beacon]

Yeah 2.5% just kinda is there

It’s not gonna do much at all

[heavy rover]

Ah I see

[grand perch]

cutthroat and fatalist...or authoritarian possibly

hes worse than professional

[atomic void]

maul variation would be something like AARRRRGGGHHH SHUT UPPP

[faint beacon]

Fatalist and Loose Cannon (Both Males) are buddy/buddy and I love it

[atomic void]

loose cannon was always one of the best characters

and fetalist is the most humane arabebebe character

perfect match

[grand perch]

he actually said something really nice to my fem cutthroat. something to melt a girls heart...one sec

[elder vessel]

I imagine my arbi is the reason my Loose Cannon ended up on the Tancred Bastion in the first place

[grand perch]

she doesnt even sound pissed off for once

[hearty turtle]

What's the best way to get the Deadeye Penance?

[solar bone]

Vet should be given stubbers. Sorry just had to come say it the splash on the talent tree looks cool. Someday obese fish. Some day

[faint beacon]

They’re both “realists” so they very easily click

[gilded wraith]

I would never go out of my way to skip survivalist and grab shock trooper just to limit Arby shotgun use, honest.

[faint beacon]

Pinky promise

[tame lodge]

Bro really said that she slays

💀

[grand perch]

if he keeps it up fatalist gets fatalaid

[midnight totem]

Look

Cadia may have fallen

The Emperor still need new Cadians

[faint beacon]

Fatalist being arguably the nicest to the rejects but clearly disliked by the other Arbitrators

[midnight totem]

Rizz her up

[hearty turtle]

Anyone?

[faint beacon]

This is why he’s my goat

[midnight totem]

Is that the keystone one?

[midnight totem]

I think Authoritian likes Fatalist though

[grand perch]

taking vigilant autogun and doing that penance like a proper soldier

[midnight totem]

He's all like, "dunno mate that sucks. Your record speaks for itsellf"

[hearty turtle]

Kill 5 highlighted enemies in a singe use of volley fire with weak spot hits

[faint beacon]

EStance, ranged highlight

Becomes trivial

[hearty turtle]

What weapon

[grand perch]

this is the time for vigi autogun

say it gale

[faint beacon]

Vigils

I mean you can use anything but like

Vigils

Lmao

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/say-the-line-bart-school-millhouse-classroom-gif-26683141

[midnight totem]

I did that with lasgun

[faint beacon]

Agri IX…

[midnight totem]

Just beam heads

[normal bay]

Something you're confident you can shoot 5 headshots in a row with lol

[faint beacon]

I see vigilant slander in other chats i automatically assume it’s rage bait

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[grand perch]

helbore does run circles around them now sadly

[torn gorge]

is that because only vet chat is allowed to slander on vigilant guns?

[grand perch]

all the others dont have that massive >110% ranged finesse damage boost

how could they appreciate it

[torn gorge]

time to nerf vet

[frank basin]

we wish for it

[torn gorge]

too much finesse bonus

[frank basin]

you deep delve into the argri xi as your beloved gun.

there people will take advantage on you

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dog-silly-dog-propeller-hat-propeller-hat-dog-gif-4764495627579170054

[faint beacon]

Doesn’t fucking help that Sustained fire helps with follow up shots

So it is but I’m not gonna let it stop me from using the vigils

[atomic void]

lmao this one's good

[grand perch]

but do the +20% ranged damage achieve new BPs?

on mk IV you already kind of kill anything

[atomic void]

is the banter directed at female vets

or all of them

[grand perch]

dont know first time i heard that

[atomic void]

i see

[sudden cedar]

I take a guess and say its only the Female Loose Cannon

[grand perch]

but its cutthroat

of finding another juicy throat to slit fame

[sudden cedar]

Well so be it the Cutthroat.

Even the Cutthroat can find friendship.

[grand perch]

until it crumbles just like cadia did

[sudden cedar]

Damn i love that banter.

Coming from the Professional of all people.

[frank basin]

what do you think Professional?

[faint beacon]

I’ve found it to be helpful on enemies that don’t have a BP

[steep flower]

Ngl tho i like agri the most; imo its the best (single shot one is its own tier)

[faint beacon]

So you can follow it with a normal shot and drop whatever is barely alive

[frank basin]

i read patch note seem they didn't fix lone wolf crash in psykianium

[torn gorge]

allegedly tagging is also still somewhat broken

[hearty turtle]

Gonna need help with the Deadeye Penance

[normal bay]

Are you using exe stance for it?

[gray anvil]

Ngl i cant get used to the plasma gun not having ads feels weird

[hearty turtle]

Yes.

[gray anvil]

Im super used to elite sniping with the revovler but wanna start useing it and feel like I'm just not getting as much value

[hearty turtle]

I just can't get enough weakspot kills

Closest I've gotten is 4 outta 5

[normal bay]

Get something that will one tap and shoot 5 enemies in the head while it's active. I think I used the revolver. It has a massive bullet and makes headshots easier

[gray anvil]

This tbh use a revolver and fire into a horde

[hearty turtle]

If its not the arbites rushing in and taking the kills, it's the specials specifically targeting me

[normal bay]

A nice flat corridor with the same size enemies is a good choice to just start blasting lol

[hearty turtle]

Any suggestions for levels?

[gray anvil]

I think of got it on jeatsy or dammstion with a dregg gunner squad grouped up

[gray anvil]

Archives

Alotta corridors to funnel

[hearty turtle]

Hopefully the arbites don't take all the kills like usual

[normal bay]

Throneside is very flat, carnival too. I don't think it matters too much. If you got 4, you'll get 5

[hearty turtle]

I've been using rapid fire guns like recon las and infantry autogun

[normal bay]

I would avoid the bolt weapons though, their sights move around a lot and make headshots difficult

[normal bay]

Just a good chance to whiff a stray shot there tbh

[tame lodge]

Just get vigi 7 with surgical

[hearty turtle]

If I don't, the other teammates kill them too fast and then I'm left standing around like a fool

[gray anvil]

Use single shots imo infantry lasgun or revolver and use the thing that highlights gunners in executioner stance and just take your time and pop some heads on a gunner squad taking supression immunity helps as well so you dont miss because you're getting shit at

[barren nimbus]

Guys did you know that the plasma gun is overpowered

Veteran has been too strong for too long

[normal bay]

Never heard of it, is it a vet weapon?

[barren nimbus]

We are cracking down on these pathetic veterans

[gray anvil]

Tbh I dont get it other than the cleave

[tame lodge]

It's both overpowered and underpowered at the same time

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-astroworld-travis-head-travis-scott-head-travis-scott-headache-gif-23896240

[long dove]

How should I play the stealth subclass?

[hollow ibex]

Press F sometimes

[tame lodge]

Play objective (teammate will steal objective from you)

Rush in gunners

Drop 8 crushers on your teammate

[barren nimbus]

You veterans have been using your ownly good gun for far too long! One gun is too many!

[long dove]

I ask cause I wanna build something for it cause I like the chest piece from the penance

[tame lodge]

It's not the only good one

But go on

🗣️

Preach brother preach

Wait that's zealot

[midnight totem]

If I drop 8 crushers on the arby

[gray anvil]

Probably go specialist route + grenades

[midnight totem]

he can get all of his toughness back if he uses break the line

if he only breaks the line on one crusher, he only gets 20 percent of his toughness back

therefore, I am helping

[void dragon]

Teamwork synergy

[gray anvil]

But consider just simply 1 tapping the crushers with a revovler

[midnight totem]

I'm happiest playing rambo veteran anyway

[gray anvil]

Ngl i wonder if arbiter can get a 1 tapping with the right build

[tame lodge]

Slurp all 15% dmg

[long dove]

Damage is knife dump right?

[normal bay]

No

Unless you want a speedrunning build

[tame lodge]

Mobility

[faint beacon]

He’ll simply get his head caved in and not die because he didn’t need his brain anyway

[tame lodge]

And even for speedrunner purposes

Damage is a bad dump

You're better off dumping Penetration and applying uncanny strike

For proper speedrunning

[faint beacon]

Damage dump stat. Lacerate. Flesh tearer

With Crit chance and damage

[midnight totem]

For some reason

[torn gorge]

[midnight totem]

its harder to see in Inferno then it is in Lights Out

[torn gorge]

really?

most inferno maps are better lighted than lights out furnace

[midnight totem]

thats what I mean

it should not be harder to see

[normal bay]

They're either blindingly bright or pitch black

[torn gorge]

but i said the opposite

[long dove]

as an aside, I hope they fix that Regimental Beret

I'm tired of having my hair disappear

[hearty turtle]

What revolver mark?

[normal bay]

The one that actually aims down the sight

Lol

[tame lodge]

Zarona

[heavy rover]

forgot to ask, if I'm not taking exec stance, is maniac more recommended then?

[barren nimbus]

Reddit was right, Veteran is too strong. I just barely out gunner killed a dog

That guys dog killed 3 less gunners than me, a whole reject!

[tame lodge]

Do not cite reddit

😭

[barren nimbus]

Literally two dogs take my entire job, the best part is they throw the enemies around I'm supposed to headshot so I cant even play well

[torn gorge]

just target something else tbh

[faint beacon]

The stagger radius is huge lmao

Tf you mean target something else

[torn gorge]

if you are slower than a dog running around and then pouncing on a target with your target selection thats on you

[faint beacon]

I don’t think you’ve witnessed the bullshit those things have pulled

There’s a reason I’m strongly against relying on mastiff

[torn gorge]

each map is a 0 sum game but if you are trying and failing to compete with the same target the mistake was 1 step before

ive outshoot plenty of time a dog pouncing midair into nothing

on a weapon that takes 2-3 shots to kill an elite/special

or are you arguing that vet should have the priority when killing ranged units?

its either delusion or entitlement, both based on the assumption that you are somewhat in control of something that is in fact out of your control

(aka teammates behaviour)

[long dove]

how do i know I'm playing Infiltator correctlty?

[neon current]

you don't

that's how

[torn gorge]

complete missions and be one of the main reason said missions are completed

either by taking burden off objectives or playing for your life and clutch

being successful does not equate in whoever gets more circles at the end of a scoreboard

[long dove]

does smoking and just running around causing more bleeds than puberty count?

[torn gorge]

if you are smoking and breaking sightlines accordingly then you are successful

nothing wrong in that

[long dove]

I'm only asking cause I honesly have no idea lol.

It is funny to just pop up and shank a sniper

[torn gorge]

being successful at this game at a macro level entails learning how to position yourself and understand target priority at any given time

smokes help minimise bad positioning

you creeping up to a cluster of high priority target and taking them down or soloing an objective is part of the latter

[long dove]

Do I just avoid crushers?

[torn gorge]

depends on what weapon you run with

plenty of melee and ranged weapons that can nuke a crusher

[long dove]

Running Knife and Brace Autgun

[torn gorge]

you can easily do combat axe/revolver and run infiltrate with aggro dump

and delete crushers undisturbed as they approach your teammates

knife can kill crushers, not super fast but still can

[long dove]

I feel like when I try I just get bonked lmao

Also I figure i got some sick drip for the role

what's a good few blessings to put on revolvers

[hollow birch]

Best recon lasgun for bossing?

I'm dropping plasgun cause recon lasgun build honestly looks way more well rounded

[sleek garden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/NEgABfKD0V

[long dove]

uh why is revolver dump ammo again?

[hollow ibex]

It’s not

Mobility is dump

[barren nimbus]

I just pushed a twin off the map with voc, reddit kept telling you guys veteran was op but nobody listened...

[narrow frost]

only if taking Weapon Specialist keystone (with the reload talent under it)

even then I dont dump reload

[long dove]

I'll admit on the braced one reload dump I don't notice since speed loader

also im dumb, I wrote ammo dump and I meant reload. Whoops

[narrow frost]

I meant reload

whoops

[long dove]

lol we both goofed

The braced stubber though I feel like reload isn't a big deal

since it has a speed loader

and i'm kinda having fun with it

but I'm only on Damnation

Well testing the build on Damnation

[copper parcel]

What's the dump stat for the Bolt Pistol? Collateral or Mobility?

[torn gorge]

collat iirc

[long dove]

yeah guide says collat

[torn gorge]

since mobility affects your precision while moving

and bistol is already questionable there

[hearty turtle]

Deadeye is impossible for me. If it's not arbites running infront of me to melee the enemies, it's a damn gunner drilling me

[torn gorge]

run infantry lasgun with ghost

[hearty turtle]

And how would that help with the arbites?

[long dove]

Yeah all the Arbites is causing me to get left behind and dealing with hordes lol

[sudden cedar]

@hearty turtle Ghost will make gunners and shooters ignore you if you land headshots, which you would want to do anyway.

Also, you are running Exec Stance which by design works way better in a coordinated team

[hearty turtle]

Exactly!

[neon current]

so, deal with hordes?

[sudden cedar]

This might just you doing the penance, but if not and it is a more general thing, i am afraid i have to recommend learning to deal with hordes sooner rather than later.

To be blunt, no one really cares if you want to complete your Deadeye penance or not.

You are expected to take care of yourself. If you don't like this, finding a group on this Discord would help with that, at the very least.

[long dove]

There's a difference between taking care of yourself and dealing with 95% of the creatures alone cause 3 Dredd wannabes just ran past them

They only care about reaching Auric

fuck everyone else

[sudden cedar]

True.

Unfortunately.

[long dove]

So at some point it's a question of numbers when you're in a mission meant to have 4 people working together

[torn gorge]

tbh

there is a likely higher chance for you to complete that penance at the highest difficulty you can do outside of havoc

just because density and things slow down

until you get a zealot thinking they can speedrun gloriana and being unable to operate the shuttle

[barren nimbus]

Man I missed Veteran. It really is a lot of fun relying on game mechanics for survival and success

[hearty turtle]

When you get left behind to solo 4 crushers, you start to get a bit aggravated

[hollow ibex]

“Fuck I shouldn’t have taken an hsword”

[long dove]

Don't forget not getting picked up when they're 5 feet away

[faint beacon]

I don’t care who you send I am not playing DS

[long dove]

oh and the hoovering up all the ammo

[hearty turtle]

Yep

Pretty much

[faint beacon]

They tunnel vision pretty fucking hard so I can’t blame you lmao

[long dove]

I mean even when it's quiet.

[faint beacon]

If it’s not in their face or their hound is mauling it

It simply does not exist

[long dove]

Like a top lane Nasus in league of legends

nothing exists but his lane

and his stacks

[narrow widget]

nothing wrong with just running away from the crushers

no need to kill everything

[torn gorge]

^

you can easily outrun crushers

and bring em to the party

so the group will happily have something to do

[narrow widget]

like when I get left behind I just pop shout, push my way out of the horde, and run away

[barren nimbus]

Can someone explain to me what is happening when a mauler will take 0.5’s to overhead you or a total 4s

This guy just like speed hacked my teammate and annihilated him

[narrow widget]

they learned only the best from margit

[faint beacon]

Slot system

Is it when they slide across the room at Mach fuck and obliterate said person

[barren nimbus]

He literally fell down 3 flights of scaffolding and turned my teammate into a nickel right before my eyes

[heavy rover]

or worse, the mauler sneaks up quieter than a damn mouse

[umbral scaffold]

what are the best blessings for sapper shovel?

[tame lodge]

Skullcrusher Uncanny Strike

[faint beacon]

They probably got slotted

Sounds like Darktide jank

Slot system of how units attack you in melee

Etc

[heavy rover]

what about hammerblow instead of skullcrusher?

[gilded wraith]

Just scrape them off on the nearest Arby.

[tame lodge]

Losing too much damage

[heavy rover]

fair

[copper parcel]

Charge rate still the dump stat for the Plasma Gun?

[unreal nova]

Thermal if you don't wanna whale for a minmaxxed one.

68 thermal 72 charge rate if you wanna minmax.

69 thermal 71 charge rate is a safe minmax roll.

[sleek garden]

is it just me or did they crank up the gore a ridiculous amount

my infantry lasgun is bisecting reapers

my devils claw is flinging people like 20 feet

i know im not this strong

[torn gorge]

they upped the gibbing

now most melee weapon break limbs and bodies

[unreal nova]

I suspect it's their weird fix for some weapons not doing it.

But it makes any weapon that does do it hilarious.

[sleek garden]

yeah it kinda feels

wrong

i hope they go back

i miss having big gashes on bodies

it feels a little ridiculous slicing a mutie clean in half with an infantry lasgun shot

it also blows the head off of everyone which is a bummer

it used to leave giant holes in their faces and when you walked over you could see the smoking skull of the guy you just blew away

[hearty turtle]

What's a good generalist veteran gun?

[past stratus]

I think the Plasma kind of does it all, no? It has good cleave but also can one shot dangerous enemies with charged shot

[austere mica]

You don't want to charge plasma

[past stratus]

idk because I never used it, but it is still the meta gun in all little havoc 40 guides

[austere mica]

You just left click everything

[shrewd wind]

Looking for a vet build revolving around the Hellbore Lasgun. Anyone got any good recommendations suited for both Auric and Havoc?

[hearty turtle]

Is recon las good?

[gaunt hare]

yes

especially with ignite on crit blessing

[hearty turtle]

Using the generalist build that someone posted here

[past stratus]

I use something like this. I think I changed a couple of nodes here and there but that's the gist of it

you can also use Focus target if you're not a fan of Weapon Specialist

I always favor it because Trench Fighter, Desperado and Reciprocity are quite good

[hollow ibex]

More like vet melee without them is kinda pathetic lol

[past stratus]

yeah

[hearty turtle]

So plasma and Recon las are good? Any particular blessings besides the fire one?

[arctic rampart]

plasma is meta S tier, probably along with boltgun. check the sticky for default blessings

fast recon is versatile all-arounder A tier

[hearty turtle]

Sticky?

The pinned?

[arctic rampart]

yeah the vet guide is S tier really good

[jaunty herald]

https://onedrive.live.com/edit?id=E2A0A519389B2F30!sa7c48fc84c574f998848f62d41caaf9f&resid=E2A0A519389B2F30!sa7c48fc84c574f998848f62d41caaf9f&cid=e2a0a519389b2f30&ithint=file%2Cdocx&redeem=aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL3cvYy9lMmEwYTUxOTM4OWIyZjMwL0VjaVB4S2RYVEpsUGlFajJMVUhLcjU4QmJOX0xja01PQzRiYmEzcW5sTzhUSGc&migratedtospo=true&wdo=2

the vet guide ^

[arctic rampart]

each of the weapons have recommended talents start with that setup and modify/iterate as you go

for example I found the ammo on it is totally fine without the crit-no-ammo talent unless its a no-ammo run. and in that case you probably want to use hellbore anyway

[hollow ibex]

For recon? Dumdum is mandatory

[arctic rampart]

yeah dumdum is super op whenever you can take it, its like brutal momentum just take it

I like infernus for boss damages usually with it but I think the guide recommends something else

[jaunty herald]

Hold up, the vet guide suggests dump stat is Mobility while Collateral is the suggested dump stat in this server.

For Boltgun

https://i.imgur.com/Rv6dJzj.png

[elder vessel]

Are you using pinning fire ig?

[arctic rampart]

I'd go with the guide I've yet to find it completely wrong lul

also if you're using the boltgun you probably want a fast weapon like knife ds4 ... mobility makes sense

[hollow ibex]

It’s because collateral is desirable for bulwark breakpoints iirc.

[austere mica]

Vet can hit a bulwark shield open breakpoint

[hearty turtle]

Can't open the guide on my phone

[jaunty herald]

I see now

and with luck, brunt's armory gave me a boltgun with mobility 60 on the first try

[hearty turtle]

Is there a different link. Says I can't open it due to not having an app

[arctic rampart]

u dont really need lucky these days.. dont need that reroll until mod anymore. I remember that fucking thing rerolling 437 times for me once

[jaunty herald]

#veteran-class message

[arctic rampart]

wut weapon I'll copy pasta for u

[hearty turtle]

Plasma gun and recon. Maybe chainsword as well, unless there's a better generalist melee

[tall torrent]

Because collateral allows u to open bulwark shield in only 2 shots with exe stance

And exe stance is currently the best way to run boltgun for veteran

[arctic rampart]

Superiority Complex

Rending Strikes: Flak, Maniac

Reciprocity

Ranged DMG Boost

Crit Chance Boost

Onslaught (For Mk XII) Damage 80% Ammo 80% Mobility 80% Stability 80%

^ thats recon

[tall torrent]

Plasma perks are unarmored + flak

[arctic rampart]

Superiority Complex

Bring it Down!

Redirect Fire or Fire Team

Ranged DMG Boost (×2) ```

^ plasmna

[tall torrent]

If u have question about weapons u can ask me directly

[arctic rampart]

Stopping Power 80% Damage 80% Ammo 80% Thermal Resist 69% Charge Rate 71% Plasma has these ideal traits, complicated reroll

[hearty turtle]

Plasma blessings?

[tall torrent]

I’ve changed a lot of things going from word doc to steam guide

[tall torrent]

2 routes
Rising heat + gets hot
Or
Blaze away + optimized cooling

[hearty turtle]

Which for generalist?

[tall torrent]

First

[arctic rampart]

please bear my children oh mighty one https://media.tenor.com/NNd5vlwmjmMAAAAM/were-not-worthy-waynes-world.gif

[tall torrent]

The plasma section in steam guide would have been like 3 pages equivalent in word doc

Not joking

It’s bigger & better in almost all the right ways

[jaunty herald]

What are the pros + cons of the bolt pistol? Is the weapon any good for Auric difficulty? I never used it before

[tall torrent]

I will prob publish it by the end of July once I get all veteran-related parts done

[tall torrent]

Pro: it can be built to 1 taps things and can buff ur grenade explosions

Con: it’s a boltpistol

[arctic rampart]

I tried bolt pistol only like 3 games ? Man I just couldn't get the hang of it

[tall torrent]

U need a pretty specific setup to make it 1 taps things

And recoil is ass

And reload is “slower than I want it to be”

[arctic rampart]

I was thinking why wouldn't I use plasma, zerona, boltgun, recon, etc. over it. But some people just love it so much I guess I just suck

But then people say shotgun is good and I double take

[tacit spear]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-rebecca-cyberpunk-adam-smasher-youre-ruining-our-moment-here-smash-gif-26854687

[hollow ibex]

I hate how much less shit bistol feels on Arbi lol

[jaunty herald]

Vet throwing the magazine in the air for a moment just to be flashy 😭

My guy, just reload the bolt pistol

[arctic rampart]

Any1 else have a 3G download?

[hearty turtle]

@tall torrent what a out chainsword, or another generalist melee

[arctic rampart]

chain sword is super mid

if you want a decent mid all-arounder try the O.G. shovel at least it bonks

[tall torrent]

I personally wouldn’t recommend a chainsword
Basically ever

Rashad is like right there

[barren nimbus]

40k developers making a 40k game and making the chainsword literally terrible

[unreal nova]

Is funni.

[elder vessel]

chainaxe though

peak

[unreal nova]

I know. I don't even get it.

[hearty turtle]

Ok, then what else is there?

[tall torrent]

Would u like to

[hearty turtle]

Mayhaps

I thought the chainsword would be good since I like using the heavy one on zealot

[tall torrent]

Power sword VI
Cleave target dump
Carapace
Elite
Power cycler
Brutal momentum

I’ll send details when I’m home

[elder vessel]

god I wish i had a keyboard and mouse

[rich torrent]

So what exactly is the Veteran’s niche in a team? Like, what should I as a Veteran be focusing on?

[elder vessel]

gun

shoot them

[narrow frost]

killing

thats what all classes do

[unreal nova]

Be ammo dispenser.

[narrow frost]

you do not need to worry about what you bring to the team, all classes do the same things

just kill

[tall torrent]

Melee/ranged hybrid

[elder vessel]

Veteran kills them with a gun
Zealot kills them with a sword
Ogryn kills them with his girth
Psyker kills them with magic
Arbi kills them with a dog and PtW magic

[rich torrent]

PtW?

[elder vessel]

Pay to win, arbi is the DLC class

12 bucks

[void dragon]

isnt that basically all classes in a bigger or small scale?

[elder vessel]

and VERY strong

[elder vessel]

True but patch 13 rework kinda fucked up Vets identity

zealot is melee based in all 3 tress

vet has a ranged tree, a stealth tree and a VoC tree

[tall torrent]

Nah

[void dragon]

me with me gunker knight: i have doubts, but i can believe you

[tall torrent]

Gun psyker is like the closest thing

But wouldn’t call them that similar still

Cuz gun psyker is still more ranged than melee

[void dragon]

the whole class of psyker is mid range, most of its tools are aoe damage but not super long range

[rich torrent]

Ahh, right

[void dragon]

vet feels that should do better being a scarpel against specific enemies

[rich torrent]

So it doesn’t really matter what I do as far as loadouts and such? Cuz a large part of my hesitation to play Darktide is that I’m worrying about my build being inefficient or even detrimental.

[unreal nova]

It's vet, you are going to underperform with equally skilled players.

[elder vessel]

dw about that, if youre just getting in, worry about having fun and using cool weapons and abilities

[unreal nova]

You can still carry and clutch, but it will be harder.

[rich torrent]

I’ve been playing since the 27th or so.

[unreal nova]

Vet needs massive buffs atm.

So just play to have fun.

If you feel meh, try another.

[abstract sand]

to remind you to play ogryn instead

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-party-gif-27273801

[oblique stone]

nay, all psykers

[rich torrent]

I have one character in each type

[abstract sand]

im trying to get all level 30 characters

psyker experience is suffering atm

[inland orchid]

they are the squishest outta the cast so that makes sense

[void dragon]

In my experience the best way to use Vet is as an aura gunner, someone that orbitates the fights, shouting to give shields and cc, but is not in the middle of a fight but on the sides, picking up enemies around like trappers and bombers.

[oblique stone]

you will get the hang of it sibling

[abstract sand]

i miss my karsolas

[void dragon]

another path is take up your big man pants and take a bolter/Helbore and executor stance and become the killer

[abstract sand]

give psyker pickaxe too

💔

[placid portal]

YEs, give Spark'edd tiny pickaxe

[void dragon]

believe me this: once you are proficient enough with surviving with Psyker you will become death, you are a glass cannon but Its a TERRIFIC scarry cannon

[abstract sand]

nah

keep it the same size

they can use telekinesis or something

[placid portal]

Blows up M I N D with M I N D

[void dragon]

blow M I N D with SUPERIOR M I N D

[elder vessel]

Needs more ranged power across the entire tree

[unreal nova]

More in general.

[elder vessel]

A few melee buffs is nice so fighting hordes isnt CBT, but Vet should be the gun shooter

like how zealot is the sword swinger

[arctic rampart]

vet should be all arounder. take the melee stuff in the bottom right. take voicfe fo command, survivalist, default nades, whatever weaposn you like

[tall torrent]

Dw
Below havoc 31 nobody worth their salt will care

[unreal nova]

Only care if you shoot barrels and poxbursters.

[abstract sand]

its pretty damn hard to make a build that is actually detrimental

[unreal nova]

Stares at longshit.

[elder vessel]

ppl get so lost in the sauce of buildcrafting they forget that this games combat is just str8 fucking fun

[unreal nova]

-1 point for meh.

[elder vessel]

it is fun to kill zombies with hammers

that is all you need at the end of the day

[abstract sand]

if you run longshot i will bludgeon you

[elder vessel]

The hieroglyphics

[rich torrent]

Noted~

[elder vessel]

3 bolter arbitrator

[unreal nova]

Waiting for the I NEED AMMO spam.

[elder vessel]

actually cant criticize them for that

pretty good about it

[unreal nova]

Hrm?

[elder vessel]

What's not clicking

[heavy rover]

I thought zealots were ammo gremlins, and then the arbites showed up. Dear lordy

[unreal nova]

Can't criticise them?

[unreal nova]

Not me, if I use my gun to shoot rather than a stat stick, everyone else failed to shoot a trapper.

[elder vessel]

They were wise with their ammo

[mighty anvil]

I just hit the meanest flick

[tropic notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1389426055047020564/tacaxefunny.mp4?ex=68649359&is=686341d9&hm=232df48596114d2804e8edd2d18dddfefc5d5355f464451126366d17ba078c45& now recreate this

[long dove]

Infantry Lasgun any good?

[unreal nova]

Ah. To be fair, the guns do have revolver lvls of ammo so... lul.

[elder vessel]

good but not meta

[long dove]

I'm just wanting to lvl weapons. Already have a recon build

I guess every lasgun build is infiltration lol

[unreal nova]

Inf las pushes for 100% headshots a distance away. Like heavy laspistol.

[final crystal]

I still like my original lasgun

[elder vessel]

Marksman Focus should give you a tiny tiny buff when you kill an elite and have it stack to a biblical amount

100 wacky stax

[long dove]

I just like playing other weapons for fun

If anything I feel like I'm more accurate with helbore but i don't think I can use that in higher levels

[cold python]

I want to like helbore, but it just feels too slow

[elder vessel]

You can

Got buffed

Is good

[long dove]

Yeah I mean just slow fire makes it hard to keep up

[cold python]

like I pop f, 6 targets light up, I aim, and the ogryn steps in front of me in the doorway and blocks all my shots until it runs out

[long dove]

And I use it with exec stance

[cold python]

or we get a swarm and I have to swap to melee

[long dove]

But I can one shot an Auric Crusher though

[cold python]

at least with autogun I can lay enemies down at close range until the mag runs dry

or I manage to pop off a shot or two and everyone else does all the killing

[long dove]

I have an autogun build so I can finish a penance with exec stance lol

[willow tendon]

Different weapons

[willow tendon]

Don't use exe stance. Does barely add anything

[willow tendon]

Try mk5

[long dove]

Adds damage and let's me see what I need to shoot.

[willow tendon]

adds only boss damage

may be a bodyshot breakpoint

the rest is the same

[sleek garden]

specialist annihilator

wrong reply

killing myself

[sleek garden]

specialist annihilator

[gray anvil]

Lmao true enough I love knocking down elites back to back the revolver is good

[abstract sand]

🙂‍↕️

[fervent mesa]

are we good at using chain axe?

[unreal nova]

@steep flower Ask Papa all about it.

[tropic notch]

It’s fun

[unreal nova]

He brings it to high havocs.

[tropic notch]

Flak maniac, headtaker, slaughter, defense dump stat

@fervent mesa

[fervent mesa]

which mark?

[tropic notch]

Mk4 is my fav

[fervent mesa]

isnt it heavy attack spam?

[tropic notch]

Heavy for horde light for single

Yeah

[fervent mesa]

dont veterans get interrupted a lot for that

[scenic bear]

Mk 4 is the useable one iirc

[tropic notch]

Gotta push attack

[sonic kayak]

The only one

[past stratus]

The Boltpistol is pretty fun for the run and gun build

[tropic notch]

Think of it almost as tac axe

[hollow ibex]

Both chaxes are usable on vet

And both are very mid

[tropic notch]

Nuh uh

Mk4>

But yea it’s just a fun weapon

[past stratus]

the spread on the Bolter Pistol is really nice

[arctic rampart]

better off with mk2 taxe yeee light spam

[barren nimbus]

what do I need again

[hollow ibex]

@tired egret

[barren nimbus]

fuck!

[hollow ibex]

Sooo other way around I’m afraid

Rip

[barren nimbus]

we're slowly getting there though

[unreal nova]

68 thermal 72 charge rate is the true minmax.

[barren nimbus]

I got a 78% damage, 76 charge and 66 thermal

[unreal nova]

Just not as funni.

[barren nimbus]

You need 68 thermal to not blow up right

[unreal nova]

You will never blow up atm from lmb spam.

68 is min for 8 shots in a row.

80 is also 8 shots.

67 below is 7 shots.

Is why you dump thermal if poor.

[barren nimbus]

I wonder if all the min maxing will die when they make us charge shots

[unreal nova]

The extra shots only matter when it does.

[unreal nova]

Eh, who knows. I don't use that gun.

[elder vessel]

difference chainaxe is actually cool

chainaxe is one of my favorite melees

god I love it

I could go on all day

[barren nimbus]

It’s kinda insane how dog shit the plasma gun is for pus hardened and people want it nerfed

[elder vessel]

yes

we do want it nerfed

i want it

dead

[barren nimbus]

It’s probably not even a top 4 weapon for pus hardened

[austere mica]

Just because its bad for one specific modifier in a mode very few people play doesn't mean it doesn't need to be nerfed

[barren nimbus]

If it isn’t good at everything then it isn’t overpowered?

[elder vessel]

Balance changes aren't enough I want him dead

[barren nimbus]

lets talk about how the rumbler one shots pus hardened ogryns when you stick their chest

[elder vessel]

So we nerf rumbler

and plasma

kill both

[unreal nova]

Dude, you are pointing out a gun EVERYONE but oggy mains want nerfed.

[barren nimbus]

Plasma gun taking 8 shots to kill the same ogryn is crazy though

[austere mica]

Its overpowered in the part of the game they actually balance around

[barren nimbus]

A lot of weapons can sort of replicate its power. Like arbites is so strong a combat shotgun sorta feels equivalent to the plasma gun

Where manstopper is better in lower modes

[arctic rampart]

Spamming nerf requests in a discord for that class's unique weapon is lame as hell

[barren nimbus]

You’d genuinely have to have full blown brain damage to die in auric as an ogryn so they clearly do not care about that modes

[arctic rampart]

Vets haven't gotten anything at all for many months while everyone else getting lots of shit. Sure, nerf em more

[unreal nova]

Eh, you don't pub enough.

I have watched oggies and arbys die in auric to things that aren't knockback and barrels.

[barren nimbus]

Arbites literally gets infinite toughness for sliding but tell me more about the intricacies of balancing around auric that demands nerfing veteran

[arctic rampart]

Vets have shit stam regen too

but at least voc

[barren nimbus]

The voc hatred is weird, I like it because it supports the team in a way that castigators stance doesn’t

[unreal nova]

Compare to nuncio instead.

Team god mode for 20 sec in area.

[barren nimbus]

I havent really been impressed by it tbh

It can be tough to sit in its aura

[unreal nova]

Because most ppl don't take the subnodes as well.

[barren nimbus]

I personally just take castigators stance as a melee tool and I just get on comms and tell my team to follow me while I’m invincible and being shot 10,000 times

[austere mica]

Ogryn is overtuned I agree with that, but its a more complicated issue

[austere mica]

Where in their tree do they get toughness for sliding

[tacit sonnet]

Veteran needs buffs

Plasma needs nerfs

[barren nimbus]

Stamina procs toughness regen, so it was an exaggeration, but shoving I guess

[austere mica]

They have 2 other sources of 5%/sec and you aren't pointing at those?

[barren nimbus]

https://youtu.be/ukA4vIfsSsE this character is literally master chief but people want the plasma gun nerfed, and ogryn is better than this character

I understand briefly pointing out that the plasma gun is overtuned, but demanding its nerf is insane

All of veterans weapons are ass

[unreal nova]

Dog one is good, but you rather it roam and kill.

The other requires going right.

[barren nimbus]

You’re always using stamina, the blocking one is fairly niche and so is the dog one, in terms of uptime

Veteran has to meticulously manage their toughness or else you get absolutely pissed on, but arbites just has like 200% toughness dr for killing elites

[unreal nova]

Stam one is one of the 5%. Though situational if say, grabbed.

[barren nimbus]

I really do not enjoy using the recon lasgun, especially in todays havoc, you have 500 zombies blocking your shots so you can’t even do your job of killing gunners. Meanwhile the invincible dog will stroll through and massacre them

The other factor is automatic weapons become a lot less fun with dropped frames and bad performance, which havoc has

[grand perch]

sorry but skill issue

plasma deserves a nerf or at least rework to make alt fire actually feasible

[past stratus]

VoC is cool because you press and your character yells cool line

[barren nimbus]

Skill issue but ogryns can see over the hordes, zealots get infinite cleave but that’s ok, psykers get infinite cleave but thats okay, and arbites have a dog that can walk through hordes

It’s only an issue that the veteran can kill enemies through hordes

[amber trench]

Can't you plasma them through hordes? Like with the voidstrike headshots

[barren nimbus]

That’s what I’m saying. The plasma gun is fine in todays havoc because the hordes are too large for you to sit there plinking away at 1 of 15 gunners

[austere mica]

Zealot has 3 sources of practical infinite cleave

and 2 of them barely meet the margin of practical

[austere mica]

Game isn't balanced for havoc

Its balanced for damnation

[barren nimbus]

What is even the point of complaining about even auric balance. I literally just grinding a bunch of shit weapons with no perks or blessings in auric

I understand acknowledging the plasma gun is strong, but you should genuinely be put into an insane asylum for even talking about it when ogryn is around

[austere mica]

As I said, ogryn is a far more complicated issue

They have way more factors contributing to them being strong than plasma

[barren nimbus]

If tomorrow they nerfed the plasma gun, veterans would no longer be invited to havoc missions. The recon lasgun and similar counterparts do not even come close to competing with any other classes

Even with plasma veterans, my dog usually kills more gunners

[austere mica]

Recon is still one of the best havoc weapons

And veteran has more to contribute than plasma

[barren nimbus]

For pus hardened it’s really good, but that’s also because plasma is terrible

[austere mica]

For pus hardened specifically

Recon is good for pus hardened because it has Infernus and applies at a reasonable rate

[grand perch]

that really sounds like you should play another class until the vet rework

[barren nimbus]

Veterans top contribution is more easily eliminating ranged elites. Just chopping away at that ability isn’t improving the game, but will sooner just have veterans facing the same prejudice ogryns used to have, because they didn’t do anything good

[tacit sonnet]

Are they nerfing plasma tomorrow?

[barren nimbus]

No

[tacit sonnet]

Don't see the issue then

[austere mica]

Nerfing plasma doesn’t entirely remove their ability to snipe, you still have viable or even better options like Helbore or Recon

[barren nimbus]

I don’t even think veteran has any damage modifiers that would buff the bolter, besides the crit chance stuff. Without the plasma gun, the arbites would just be better at everything with its 200% ranged damage modifiers.

But unfortunately arbites basically already is better anyways

[austere mica]

Oh yeah and bolter, bolter is also a great havoc pick

[barren nimbus]

I would rather put my penis in a blender then use a hellbore

[grand perch]

"no damage modifiers that buff the bolter" bait used to be believable

[grand perch]

then youre missing out on a S tier weapon

[barren nimbus]

Please name them for me

[grand perch]

how many do you want?

lets start with exec stance

[austere mica]

The ranged damage buffs that also apply to plasma????

[grand perch]

instant draw. major recoil reduction. easier sniping your precious specials

[barren nimbus]

I already said that, but they’re still lesser than what arbites has

So if you are eliminating the class specific weapon and making me use weapons other classes have, they do it better

[barren nimbus]

Don’t need any of that so I’ll stick to voc

[grand perch]

right

"i dont get any damage buffs but ill ignore the one thats there"

[austere mica]

Complains about lack of damage
Refuses to use damage
?????

[barren nimbus]

Because it sucks

[grand perch]

nah youre just incurably convinced of your own helplessness itr seems

go play arbites. please. youre not going to be happy with vet

[barren nimbus]

Guys let me have no team utility or toughness regen for 25% damage

Wait all the other classes just have that

[sharp epoch]

vet really got power crept tbh

ogryn heavy stubber is just plasma on steroids

[grand perch]

That's not wrong but if he's just going to rant and complain, he's clearly not actually interested in how to do better

Flat out refusing options just cause.

[barren nimbus]

You’re very wrong lmao

[sharp epoch]

i mean your not locked to classes either id just swap to ogryn if i wanna deal with specials and elites

[barren nimbus]

Arbites running the combat shotgun creating 95% of a plasma gun though

[sharp epoch]

arbites shotty is also a strong contender for one of the best ranged weapons so just swap classes

[tall torrent]

lol wat

[barren nimbus]

I do not give a shit what they do with veteran, I like how they look. You should look at buffing the dozen terrible ranged weapons veteran has and so few people would even use the plasma gun you would stop caring

[barren nimbus]

Got crazy cleave and damage

[grand perch]

I think we're seeing dunning-Kruger in full effect

[tall torrent]

with manstopper yea

[barren nimbus]

Yeah the scalie pic running executioner stance might be him

[tall torrent]

this is uh

very wrong on many levels

idk where to even begin

[barren nimbus]

Veteran has crit chance, 30% weakspot hit and elite damage. Arbite gas 15% weakspot, the same crit modifiers and like 200% damage

If your end goal is to make veteran not use their class specific items you’re not doing anything for the class

[torn gorge]

[barren nimbus]

The literal power of veteran is plasma gun and power sword

[torn gorge]

this narrative

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

Don't

[past stratus]

never touched the plasma in me life 😔

[vapid thunder]

what blessings/perks on the longlas

[grand perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1388222222577176777/longlas.png?ex=686426b1&is=6862d531&hm=73b4b4a12087655b33ba860309eb06386df6834617a38ee8029dfa1dc72f55c3&

That said, surgical + weight of fire

[willow tendon]

What is longlas

[gray anvil]

Basically las sniper/ dmr

[willow tendon]

So it was a wet dreams post

[grand perch]

I just pretended helbore is long las. Which it kind of is

[gray anvil]

I want a hot shot lasgun

[slender lion]

Any weapon recommendations for a veteran who's going to start their first havoc mission?

[last pewter]

whatever you find comfortable

[tacit sonnet]

you will play with plasma gun and be happy

[tropic notch]

Powersword mk6, tac axe mk2 or 7, Rashad combat axe, knife, shovel, dueling sword mk 5

Those would be my go to melee

Ranged, hellbore, revolver, recon, dbarrel, bolt pistol, laspistol

Anything that synergizes with weapons specialist

[tropic notch]

The hellbore is now the best ranged choice on him

[slender lion]

Thank you so much for the reocmmendations!

[tropic notch]

Anytime

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build @slender lion build i run on vet for havoc

Tbh you don’t even need survivalist

You already have inf ammo

Feel free to tweak as you like if you’re not taking a las weapon there’s no need for shock trooper so you can take the node on weapon specialist always prepared

[stoic thorn]

Granted, it's just the Ilas with hell of a lot less ammo and bolter damage

You get 3 shots a mag

You never specified if you wanted a hellgun or a lasgun with the hot shot laspack

[slender lion]

I'll try this actually, I'm just switching weapons to see what sort of weapons I can rock with. Thanks againf or the build!

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/iamrigbycat-gif-17122096475275233787

Takes awhile to get use to swapping from hellbore and ads to charge it quicker

[willow tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1330959014736953506/1374487023376924814/image0.gif