veteran-class

[tame lodge]

[faint beacon]

I dont think I've seen a single psyker do that since I've done nothing but auric

lmao

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/they-dont-know-dmx-earl-simmons-who-we-be-song-they-have-no-idea-gif-21701037

[faint beacon]

Im both thankful but it also sounds

really fucking funny

[tame lodge]

You get a really maniacal grin when you reactivate gaze for the 3rd time in a row without stopping smite

[faint beacon]

There will be nothing but Smite

you will not enjoy the game

you WILL watch the smyker stall the game

[barren nimbus]

Arbites is so overtuned I just watched 8 people swap off it when losing havoc 40 tonight

to ogryns

[faint beacon]

because they're idiots

Veteran and Zealot are still incredibly fucking weak I dont understand why you're trying to justify Arbites when It feels like a breeze on Higher havocs

[crisp rapids]

iwat

explain pleas

elmao

i need to konw

[faint beacon]

I think I got an idea one moment

[crisp rapids]

araito

[barren nimbus]

Zealot and Arbites are probably fairly similar, Arbites just feels stronger because cleaving 1000 people with a flamer doesnt feel that cool

We live in a post ogryn world

[unreal nova]

To be fair they suck so went to the even more busted class.

[ancient path]

is it just me or the shock maul shield melee weapon blows at killing carapace.

or maybe its cuz im not high enough level

it very much so could be me not being max level

[torn gorge]

its a 3 hit kill on a crusher

[ashen copper]

What blessings yall thinkin on devils

[ancient path]

the shield variant?

coo

[ashen copper]

Rampage and wrath or something better?

[torn gorge]

rampage shred also

i forgot if wrath there was better than sweeping strikes

[tame lodge]

Shred Rampage

Shred Sweep

[barren nimbus]

Havoc 40 went frpm skill based rushing to autoclicking ogryns

[ancient path]

i use shred rampage on mine

[hollow ibex]

it's not bad

1500 dps

[unreal nova]

I mean, what did you expect from the lvl of busted oggy is? They can one tap with heavy stubber at 0 talents.

[torn gorge]

its called heavy for a reason

[tame lodge]

EP Smite with Scriers Gaze proccing Psy Aura and reducing Gaze CDR while you're still gazing, with Warp Unbound allowing you to keep smite for 10 seconds past 100% peril

[atomic void]

I'm liking this shield more than the other one

Because of this uppercut

[tame lodge]

You can drop EP smite for Warp Syphon smite

Less damage

But crazier CDR

[atomic void]

Dark tide loves it's uppcercuts

[hollow ibex]

i don't like uppercuts but this is good yeah

[crisp rapids]

[tame lodge]

Cuts to unbuffed Taxe 4 uppercut dealing no damage

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[atomic void]

Relic blade mk2 uppercut

[torn gorge]

meanwhile cleaver uppercut casually 1 tap elites

[abstract sand]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-crazy-crazy-emoji-emoji-crazy-emoji-are-you-crazy-gif-17566518746599549444

arbites aren't op

vet just sucks by comparison

[tame lodge]

Nothing ever happens

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-gif-4408076016540863651

[crisp rapids]

why not just shriek?

[tame lodge]

Warp Unbound is the secret ingredient

Guaranteed 10 seconds

[crisp rapids]

where?

[faint beacon]

Not really its doing decently well

[crisp rapids]

on the tree is it

i cant fucking find

nvm i saw

but like

[tame lodge]

Scriers Gaze modifier

[crisp rapids]

yeah, but like,

what else i need? it not enough

[tame lodge]

Battle Meditation

Psychinetic aura

On the left of smite

[crisp rapids]

but if i rely on kills

i might aswell get the venting shriek

and actuall be usefull?

and proc flames no?

[faint beacon]

Eh-

Your soulblaze will come from nuking elites

so you wouldn't really need it

[crisp rapids]

also, it didnt seem to crit

[crisp rapids]

the CC helps a bit too

the smite that is

[faint beacon]

SG gives an Increase on Crit and Finesse is why

[crisp rapids]

the smite is not critting tho

[tame lodge]

Smite can't crit

It's not about crits

It's about holding smite infinitely

With EP smite it'll kill everything

[crisp rapids]

i konw ep smite is op

[tame lodge]

With WS you can get more cdr

[crisp rapids]

i talked abot it for a LONG time n psyker chat

while ppl saying it was horrible

just check the messages

there

[tame lodge]

I don't need to

[crisp rapids]

real

[tame lodge]

Smite is horrible

[crisp rapids]

venting shriek jsut seems better

[tame lodge]

Nope

[crisp rapids]

for smite?

[tame lodge]

Can't hold infinite smite with it

[crisp rapids]

yes you can

[tame lodge]

Nope

[crisp rapids]

yes you can

i have before

kist kill enough shit

and you can keep doing it

[tame lodge]

Compared to Scriers

Not infinite

[crisp rapids]

you still rely on kilsl with scriers

both need kills to work

so both arent infinite

[unreal nova]

Is still trash though.

[tame lodge]

10 seconds guaranteed with Warp Unbound

[crisp rapids]

its not enogh

[unreal nova]

Ruins the game if used as a primary.

[crisp rapids]

not the point of the discussion

[tame lodge]

It is

[crisp rapids]

no?

the cooldown only starts after

so like

[tame lodge]

Nope

All CDR you get during smite

[crisp rapids]

i have it here open

[unreal nova]

The point was if it's horrible, it is.

[tame lodge]

Is applied when you reach 100% peril

[unreal nova]

Is this why you are arguing it here over psyker mains?

[crisp rapids]

?

[tame lodge]

Then you have 10 seconds of guaranteed cast at 100 % peril

[crisp rapids]

its not enough

to recast

its literally not

[tame lodge]

Not in game conditions smh

Where's your Psy Aura

[crisp rapids]

here

it doesnt work

[tame lodge]

You're doing something wrong then

Aka

[narrow frost]

using smite

[tame lodge]

Not killing enough elites/specials

[crisp rapids]

if you need to rely on kills

for it to work

[tame lodge]

Yes

[crisp rapids]

its not fucking infinite is it?

[tame lodge]

That's the whole purpose

[crisp rapids]

its not infinite then

[tame lodge]

It's infinite

[crisp rapids]

no it sint

cause you need kills

which may not be avaliable

[tame lodge]

And you'll be killing

Because that's the purpose of the whole build

[crisp rapids]

totally infintie, just kill infinite elites/specials per second

totally infinite guys

so real

[ancient path]

arbi is a weird class

[tame lodge]

Battle meditation exists as well

[crisp rapids]

its somehow less reliable than venting shriek

[tame lodge]

It's not

You have a guaranteed

Guaranteed

10 secs of Perma cast

How is it less reliable

Guaranteed

[crisp rapids]

10 seconds of permacast isnt infinite

10 seconds of permacast, also known as

just casting for 10 seconds...

thats not infite

[tame lodge]

You're right
That's why you use the whole build in an actual match

And get infinite smite

[crisp rapids]

or jsut vent shriek

and do the same

[tame lodge]

Nope

[crisp rapids]

yes

[tame lodge]

Nope

[crisp rapids]

tes

[tame lodge]

Nope

[crisp rapids]

just ebcause you cant do it

doesnt mean its not possible

i duno mate

[tame lodge]

Oh now you're just going to say "skill issue"

[crisp rapids]

yes??

cause liek

[past stratus]

Veteran is truly the teamwork class, we even let other classes argue their shit in here 😌

[tame lodge]

Yeah so the conversation ends here

[crisp rapids]

i can do permacast with venting shriek ||and not with SC somehow||

[tame lodge]

Bye

[crisp rapids]

all i learned here is that either you are a liar, or just shit at the game

lmao

[ancient path]

how do you guys like the shot pistol + shield?

[hollow ibex]

the shield has a crap ton of utility. the gun itself is mid.

[tame lodge]

Idk

[hollow ibex]

expect to use two shots to kill most human elites

[tame lodge]

Don't play Arby's

[hollow ibex]

unless you're very close

[tame lodge]

[hollow ibex]

decent damage against bosses tho, if you have nothing else

yeah hope you like reloading

[tacit sonnet]

Which mission count as "in The Void"?

[tame lodge]

How many shots do you have?

[tacit sonnet]

Is it just Gloriana?

[tame lodge]

Gloriana

Train?

[tacit sonnet]

Train is an operation

[tame lodge]

Gloriana then

[hollow ibex]

5. unless you take the talent to give it another shot

then 6

[tame lodge]

So 5

But I need 2 shots

💀

[tacit sonnet]

shotpistol is really good

[hollow ibex]

yeah unless you get very close up

[tame lodge]

Oh I don't doubt that at all

It just seems

Annoying/incovenient at times

[torn gorge]

[tame lodge]

[unreal nova]

I went back to Bistol. Makes doggo boom better as well.

[hollow ibex]

they need to fix the doggo boom lol

it's a bit insane with bistol

[unreal nova]

As said, anything that isn't a boss, an ogryn or a mutie dies.

Even maulers, but they need to take awhile to bleed out.

Auric diff.

[steady prism]

Some guns are inconsistent by design this is true but it is also the hit registry. It has always been bad since the start of this game

I just had a match where my Bistol hit a dog in the head and it didn't even stagger it.. because the hit never registered

[unreal nova]

This happens the more ping you have... Also, packet loss.

[steady prism]

My ping was 50 at time. and 0 packet loss

[sleek garden]

i also have issues like this

sucks with inflas

[steady prism]

I was about to say.. I can't be the only one. people are quick to blame technical when it isnt just that. I have tested games long enough to know there is a difference in the two

[unreal nova]

Is mostly because location of enemies and hitboxes doesn't seem to be in sync at times. As said, it only gets worse the higher the ping is.

[steady prism]

yes so that would be a hit registry issue. if you are not connecting when you should due to a sync or smoething.. that is a hit reg issue. and most games never have that bad of a hit reg at 50 ping. Even COD does not

[torn gorge]

[unreal nova]

Is a FS game. it's spaghetti coded. It's surprising it runs as well it already does, heh. Though in all honestly, I'm not sure if they can really fix it without making a new game.

With a better engine.

[quick seal]

Hello party people

Hope you’re having fun/having a great weekend/having a great steam summer sale. This on-fire event kind of sucks but meh

[unreal nova]

I'm having a hard time culling my cart to affordable lvls. lul.

[steady prism]

Yes and that is the unfortunate part.. FS used to make great games and now they are starting to slip closer and closer to Bethesda level of quality.. I mean Bugthesda

[hollow birch]

Just tried hellbore on havoc 40 after the patch

this shit is still ass

[quick seal]

I wish the arbites class was on sale lol. Well, obviously it wasn’t gonna go on sale since it was so close to release. But still. I can hope. Maybe for the steam autumn sale? Perhaps.
Do DLC ever go on sale, or just the base game? Do vermintide classes ever go on sale?

…… do Aquilas ever go on sale?

[tame lodge]

Top vet ranged rn

What infinite ammo good breakpoints does to a mf

[hollow birch]

It's good for that, bad if you don't have anybody to keep the chaff off you

Meanwhile plasgun still doing everything you could ever want

[unreal nova]

I mean, paycheck still comes in and it's good enough so...

[unreal nova]

The DLCs has from memory. But it's like at least a year later from memory.

[unreal nova]

Requiring babysitting makes it kinda bad in pubs.

[hollow birch]

Ye, it's brutal unless you're in a premade

Pretty much keeps me on powersword the entire run

[mighty anvil]

running powersword/plasma gun in auric having a blast

[hollow birch]

I just worry about the upcoming nerf to plasgun

[quick seal]

fact checked ✅ by true veteran patriots

[tame lodge]

(I'm broke rn)

[unreal nova]

I mean, clearly the worst class needs more nerfs rn, right?

[tacit sonnet]

What's bad about vet is their skill tree

[sleek garden]

it shouldnt be a nerf it should make it so that charging the shot is how you get the most damgae

[tacit sonnet]

Plasma is op as fuck

[steady prism]

If that is the case then all it says is FS is going to end up like COD.. all they care about is the money, not what they can do to set themselves apart from the other studios

As for Plasma/Hellbore.. I think they should of designed it like Black Widow in Overwatch.. Where the power levels go up on their own and deplete when shot.. Then change some of the Blessings to work with that

[unreal nova]

Yes, but nerfing plasma rn before a rework is just going to make the class even worse to play.

[tacit sonnet]

Are they nerfing it rn?

[unreal nova]

Planning to, remember? THere were leaks.

Some speculate next big update.

[tacit sonnet]

There were leaks of wip changes

even without the leaks, they said they are planning to nerf it in the future

[unreal nova]

Yeah, but I personally think it should be during or after the rework.

Cos it's getting to be less reasons to play vet barring being a living dispenser.

[tacit sonnet]

vet is already an ammo and gold toughness dispenser

[unreal nova]

That's the thing.

[quick seal]

I’ve heard enough. Forget the veteran. Give the arbites the dueling sword.

[unreal nova]

They do nothing special other than being a dispenser.

[tacit sonnet]

aribter is a better veteran

Psyker is a better veteran

Ogryn is a better veteran

[quick seal]

Yes, yes. That much is known.

[unreal nova]

I mean, oggy just needs a heavy stubber and you can go full melee with talents and still 1 tap specials and elites that matter.

You won't come close on vet without minmaxxing for it.

[quick seal]

☹️ veteran depression

[tame lodge]

Still can't out finesse zealot and Psyker

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[unreal nova]

Giving the stagger class a finesse weapon seems funni.

[tame lodge]

They only have tactical axe because it staggers

[mighty anvil]

As long as have Psword all is well for me

[quick seal]

Hey I like the dueling sword

It feels very responsive. I have had melee weapons that I could not do what I wanted it to do in the time that I could do it (e.g., immediately pull it out and stab a charging mutant). In that respect, the dueling sword has never let me down

I cannot speak on any of the arbites melees because I don’t play arbites so … yeah.

[unreal nova]

I mean, you don't need to talk about it. The dueling sword is like how broken Oggy is.

[quick seal]

Heh heh yeah I guess so

[mighty anvil]

DS is mad fun but the sweats hate to hear about it

[unreal nova]

Is like showing off your nuke to other ppl's grenades.

One can decimate an island and more, the other is a room clear.

[azure stream]

what can be done to help marksman's focus

imo, I think the decay timer for moving should be increased

maybe 10 for headshot, 5 for body?

[mighty anvil]

whats a good double barrel build?

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f05dc-6162-4d02-8a5d-ceb865e4f69a/infil-fragger

[safe kestrel]

Bolt pistol recommendations for run and gunning? Yes using on psyker but I heard the pros here have the answers

[sonic kayak]

Oh whaddya know, my build is nearly identical

[grand perch]

I'd say not really no

[unreal nova]

Puncture and something else.

[safe kestrel]

Ty ty

[unreal nova]

You need run and gun if you wanna shoot while running.

Considering you are going for Bistol, it's usually a meleeker build. Puncture helps Assail and FGS warpslash do more if you can swap in time.

[safe kestrel]

Fortunately the skill tree perk solves that problem. I’m looking for max armor puncture on flak or carapace next

Does bleed stack to achieve the initial kill?

[unreal nova]

May annoy the vet, but oggies already screw bleed 'nade damage so eh.

[unreal nova]

It can. Every Assail poke is +4,

But you need to swap to gun as it's flying.

[safe kestrel]

Ok duly noted

[unreal nova]

May need practice.

[safe kestrel]

Yea may need to experiment too. Too much assail runs up peril and ruins my zoomie time

[unreal nova]

Heh.

Is Psyker, everything revolves around the balancing act of peril.

[safe kestrel]

Yes and somehow hearing past that constant roaring

[unreal nova]

XD

[tame lodge]

Warp Unbound
Warp Unbound
Warp Unbound

[safe kestrel]

Aren’t deadly accurate and point blank good perks? 20% crit chance and 100% crit weak spot are huge

[mighty anvil]

Braced Autogun good?

[unreal nova]

I'll just let someone else explain why crit/weakpoint damage is eh unless the number is crazy high.

[unreal nova]

For Vet, no. For Zealot, also no... Inf Auto still better lul.

[tame lodge]

Surgical Exists

Otherwise

[safe kestrel]

I’ll believe you on that and let it go

[tame lodge]

20% isn't enough

[unreal nova]

If you choose to use it, NEVER EVER BRACE.

[safe kestrel]

Nah that won’t work. Keeping peril low means I can’t wait around to stack crit. I need a melee kill every few seconds to keep the gaze going

[mighty anvil]

damn braced seemed like a fun gun to try

[safe kestrel]

I want something that punches elites through better than the recon. Or that’s what I’m hoping to find

[unreal nova]

You can still play with it. It's just not for havoc.

May also feel underperforming.

[mighty anvil]

dumpstat for recon is collateral?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

[mighty anvil]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ee36473-7a45-464c-bba7-af3476e951c5/recon-lasgun-veteran-current whaddya think about the skill tree? im gonna swap DS for Psword

[unreal nova]

Headhunter? Ppl will usually say DumDum. But I guess you are looking to minmax ammo.

Also, why block effi?

[mighty anvil]

I didn't even look at the weapon rolls im suprised they aren't using dum dum

[unreal nova]

Oh.

[tame lodge]

VoidSTRIKE with Warp Splitting

[mighty anvil]

no idea, would that be good with a Psword?

[tame lodge]

[unreal nova]

Tree is okay, but just note that Desperado is melee only. I would go right on top as well instead of middle.

[unreal nova]

Eh... You usually don't need it as much? Vets can't exactly pick ppl up without killing everything in the first place.

And PS usually means you skip the +3 stam as well for more TOughness.

[mighty anvil]

kk

[unreal nova]

Or HP if you don't want to die to freak situations.

Double bursters or unlucky sniper.

Though if you go HP, 201+ HP.

Oh and I will say this, Stam regen is worse on vet than Sprint effi if you only use stam to run around.

[mighty anvil]

Thanks

[unreal nova]

Oh right, Crits and flak for recon. Use VIc if you wanna be more ammoefficient though may kill bosses slower.

[mighty anvil]

good golly this feels good

[void dragon]

Isn't it better stam regen to reduce the genuinely awful delay the class has? One of the worse parts of the class, specially when trying to run Deadshot laspistol

[unreal nova]

They wanna use that build.

It doesn't run deadshot

So I'm suggesting based on said build.

They mention they plan to Powersword as well.

Which doesn't need more stam.

[void dragon]

No I mean in my case, but in general Veteran trying to use the stamina for stuff like block or push attacks can be quite starved if it doesn't regen fast enough

[unreal nova]

It barely increases it unlike on Zealot.

It's okay to have, but if you mostly sprint with it, sprint effi is WAY better.

Also, sprint with recon, not powersword.

[void dragon]

Golly, why is veteran so asthmatic? Lungs on the damned class don't work sometimes

[mighty anvil]

im just taking this in auric to have fun

[unreal nova]

Need 2 tax nodes to not die from running.

[unreal nova]

Oh. THen you can honestly run anything lmao.

[void dragon]

Vet slowly feels more like the Tax collector class

[unreal nova]

You mean the guy who is taxed for doing anything.

[tame lodge]

"Carrying too much gear"

[void dragon]

Me running stealth grenadier with bolter: yeah you can get away with a lot in auric

[void dragon]

Yeah, the Class gets taxed so he tax your fun

[unreal nova]

Where hellgun? Would explain why we are dying from sprinting with that.

[unreal nova]

I guess.

[tame lodge]

Can't be a guardsmen in 40k if whatever you do doesn't suck

[mighty anvil]

THIS IS THE BEST GUN EVER

[unreal nova]

Crits Flak Dumdum Infernus recon?

Do note, try the VIc mark.

[past stratus]

imagine a world where we get careers like Vermintide and the Veteran can be a Catachan or a Vostroyan and that changes how you play the class

[unreal nova]

If you are better with aiming, you'll get more out of it.

[barren nimbus]

I really should just stop running stam curious, I feel like I don’t use my stamina. I just dodge and get distance

I guess I do shove a lot

[unreal nova]

To be fair, the choice of stam regen is up to you. Sprint effi is usually just better unless you are running stupid memes like pathing both -stamina delay.

Which yes, means you are running onslaught as well.

[safe kestrel]

I went with the bpistol it worked out pretty good. When I don’t gaze I do long gazes so I can take as many heavies on as possible before it’s done. The bolt worked pretty good in gaze and out. Took glory hunter to keep toughness up

[mighty anvil]

Yes but im gonna swap off dum dum for the ammo effi roll

This thing is an LMG

[unreal nova]

Ah. Up to you, you will lose quite abit of damage though since crits don't really help damage for it.

[mighty anvil]

yeah i didnt change, i swapped to Vlc and having fun

[unreal nova]

Because VIc is still fast enough but allows easier special/elite kills.

[lavish stump]

how tf people build hellbore

to 1-2 shot crushers

it takes 5-6 shots to kill them for me

how

can anyone give me a build so I can check this

[steady prism]

I don't use the Hellbore but I have a few guesses as to how that is possible.. Damage and Stopping power are maxed out on the IV model. That one can hit up to 525 damage base. Falter and Respite as the Blessings. It is the exact same concept I use on the Mk IX Inflas. The high stagger means that when I do headshot something, I am dumping nearly 1,000 damage on the head

[tame lodge]

You need Surgical

[steady prism]

I doubt it is surgical because I have seen the Hellbore Crusher dumpers as well. They are too mobile for Surgical to be active

[tame lodge]

Helbore is literally a finesse weapon

You want

Surgical

[hollow ibex]

yeah i mean what else are you going to take

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1a0158-d6ed-49b1-bd96-43737b6c794a/helbore-crusher-deletion

[lavish stump]

nah dude

people kill with it without exec stance

I've seen them do it

[tame lodge]

Inferno Sustained Fire

[hollow ibex]

red nodes + FT/mmf + crit

[tame lodge]

Why does it have Sustained Fire though

Uh this gif hurts my eyes

[fathom shoal]

what is the dump stat for the boltgun

[scenic bear]

Collat

[lavish stump]

mob

[mighty anvil]

Died to that damn Inferno map modifier

[obtuse elm]

Best boltgun blessings and perks?

[mighty anvil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/EuAgYlSuU5

[open ravine]

Well this is true until vet gets his proper tree eventually without the bloat

I feel once they remove the unnecessary bloat and just clean up some of the nodes vet will be fun and not just strong like he is now

Also once he gets more class specific weapons with actual mechanics he will get more interesting

[grand perch]

I wanna see that one +25% suppression stat node leading towards iron will burn in hell

The things I could do with just one additional point and yet I'm forced to waste it on this useless pos

[open ravine]

I would also like how they are making the new trees merge before the important nodes so you aren't having to reroute your skills and wasting points to get the grenade or ability you want for a build

[iron marten]

keep their heads down lol

[scenic basin]

Found this build while looking for Helbore builds. Thoughts? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e08cee7-3443-4279-a634-e3450b786a57/an-actual-good-kriegsman-build

[hot crag]

They should remove the safety animation entirely from helbore, even tho they kinda of buffed the swap speed for it, it still feel slow and clunky especially in hordes situations that you need to swap to helbore for killing snipers, it just takes forever to pull out

and aim

[steady prism]

The problem with any class change or rework.. It requires people having active conversations. not just a here and there thing. From what I have seen, myself, Cole and I think 3 others have been talking about the classes day in and day out

And let us say that does happen.. it requires FS to listen. I already know they don't look at the forums. I doubt they look at Discord. I think the only people they listen to (sort of) is the play testers

[grand perch]

It's literally about 0.7 seconds until you can aim

If that's not fast enough I don't know what to tell you

[open ravine]

The request for vet rework is pretty vocal everywhere

Also the zealot is getting pretty vocal as well

Both the classes suffer from being too simple and filled with too much bloat but zealot I feel gets away with it a little bit because they got interesting and varied weapons but vet got simple and strong weapons

[dry cloak]

if vet or zealots are getting a rework zealots is getting its first

having 1.5 build is bad

[open ravine]

Veterans are supposed to be weapon specialist trained in complex weapons but our weapons are simple as 1+1=2

[young sequoia]

fun! used it while grinding masteries

[steady prism]

Then it must be on Reddit because I only ever check the official DT forums. I have personally supported the posts asking for Specialties, the Marksman Carbine Bolter, and Hot Shot Las (for Veteran). I agreed because the Veteran does need more anti armor weapons to function as a ranged specialist (which is what it was supposed to be)

I think the real reason Zealot gets away with it is because it is not as squishy as the Veteran. It gets that passive which saves it what every 120 seconds? Literally cant die if timed correctly. Veteran has a rough time in comparison when dealing with anything annoying like Rager groups.. Ever since they changed the enemy waves, there is almost always 3 ragers. Short of Cloaking and hoping your team deals with it.. not much else you can do

[dry cloak]

we getting a new bolter? you are very optimistic.

if you want anti armor

you have bolter plasma and revolver

deal with it

and helbore

[steady prism]

Not me the forums ahaha. And it makes sense from a gameplay and lore perspective.. the Bolter exists in the game.. asking for the Marksman variant shouldnt be that much of a stretch.. After all it is just a longer barrel and a scope

Yes but the Bolter has a lot of problems

[dry cloak]

from lore prespective we should only have trash guns

no plasmas

no nothing

[steady prism]

and no arbites.. yet here we are

[dry cloak]

arbites are legal lore wise because the tithe needs to be collected

[open ravine]

I hope for hotshot las weapons this year as despite what some people think a hotshot or hell gun is they are simply the anti armour family of las weaponry that eat more ammo

[dry cloak]

technically speaking every lasguns shoul be anti armor with more energy drain

lasguns have like 7 fire modes

[grand perch]

If you have one with individual fire settings

I remember some older lore where specific patterns were very sought after since they had that feature, and most standard issue didn't

[open ravine]

Nah Atoma is a weapons factory so high tech weapons are bound to be around and also we do become proper members of the inquisition eventually thus given access to higher tier weapons

[steady prism]

Yes but the rifts are making travel very difficult according to the Mourningstar comms. So the Arbites shouldnt be there as travel is too risky. Taking that risk for Atoma is not a good idea.. Considering there are other worlds with better Tithe offerings

Las weaponry do have a lot of fire modes but the "Hot Shot" family were the only ones capable of melting through the toughest armors on most enemies. It could punch through an Astartes Helmet (not the torso as armor is thicker there)

[open ravine]

The arbites are the Atoma branch

They call the planet home

So they would actually help

[steady prism]

Then either I missed that or it was not clearly explained. The introduction showed them using a Valkyrie to get to the morning star.. and there was mention of Arbites command outside of Atoma

Well either way.. It is clear that the lore is messy and I see no reason not to put the Carbine and Hot Shot Las in. One of the many things veteran struggles with is armor plus if we could get scopes that would be helpful. Some of the Hot Shot las's were equipped with thermal.. not relying on Exe to see enemies through fire or smoke would be nice

[open ravine]

Some arbites dialogue state they live on Atoma and during the characters creation towards the end you decide where you used to work in tertium

[steady prism]

very well.. then it just reinforces my decision to support the posts asking for these things.. The weapons and the Specialties

[pseudo fiber]

Do remember the arbites weren't born on atoma though

Because they want to avoid the whole staying loyal to your local system thing

[open ravine]

Imagine if vet got a passive keynode like execution order which just auto highlights most elites and special in the area

[open ravine]

Yeah they aren't born there but they do live there

[steady prism]

Honestly it should be default.. Either by skill or by weapon. Considering Vet needs even better weapons.. Ones that have good ammo capacity.. It could be solved through a thermal scope as well

[open ravine]

I think they are avoiding scopes because of the nature of combat

[pseudo fiber]

Give helbore a scope as a treat

[steady prism]

Who knows.. If you check through the old files, there was a scope for the Head Hunter.. Its still in the game files. its just inactive

[open ravine]

Yeah if you use the custom weapon mod you can slap it onto weapon and it helps but fatshark themselves don't seem to interested in long ranged weapons

Because they have had the groundwork for a while but just haven't introduced it

[steady prism]

Perhaps. Assuming the later then I would be fine with them adding the Goggles.. Its not standard issue in the lore for Astra Militarum but a few regiments had access to it. Space Marines had it by default. They had goggles that could do the equivalent of Night Vision/multi light spectrum

[plain osprey]

Hear me out, instant way to fix executioners stance: for every outlined enemy killed, replenish 5 percent toughness

That would make that ability way more viable

We could argue about percentages, but i believe, with a high target density environment 5 percent should do

[sacred flare]

With all the Arbites and balance talk going on, I did catch some chatter about how Zealot and Vet are noticeably weaker than the others right now. Zealot I can see how but what's up with Vet nowadays after all their changes in the past? Never looked deeply into it but is it like Shout being primarily the only useful ability into late end game content type of deal?

[steady prism]

The Vet already has a lot of Toughness generation. The real reason for Exe is to see enemies.. especially with this BS fire map that I hate oh so much. If that can't be added by passives, then I would like to see Exe be toggle-able. However I would also want the return of the old Optical Camo as the passive node. One of the many issues with Vet is if it wants to be a ranged specialist, it needs the ability to do so

Being zerged while covering your team with accurate fire is not how you accomplish that. With the old optical camo, only 1 enemy went after you here and there which was manageable (but still stupid). It would need to be cranked up to 95% instead of the old 90.. To hopefully reduce that random 1 enemy spawn that comes up behind

And then there is also map fixes. One of the many dumb examples that I can think of is TRS 190 map.. The stairs where you push the button to activate the bridge.. the normal horde enemies can jump that like an Olympian. Like what?

[steady prism]

It is mostly the power creep. Veteran has a lot of Toughness nodes but no damage reduction node like the Arbites. Also Veteran is VERY weak in melee when compared to Zealot and Arbites (Arbites more so). Arbites replaced both Veteran and Zealot because its the best of both worlds.. Insane melee capability and the ammo reserves on a Bolter to be able to deal with the ranged units team mates are oblivious to

[sacred flare]

Okay so I'm not crazy for feeling like Arbites excelled at both their jobs

[plain osprey]

From what ive heared from other vets is that the main gripe seems to be talent tree layout and that certain nodes are really trash but tax cost included because you need them to get to the good ones

[sacred flare]

and they get a dog, that's not fair for anyone at all 😔

[steady prism]

Yes a lot of people think that and after playing Arbites I can see why. The reason the ammo reserve works is because you almost never need to use range. Hold down shield and push ranged units in. Its not like veteran where you are forced to shoot all ranged units.. Because otherwise you find yourself in a pickle trying to get up close

[sacred flare]

The extra 25% ammo node is kind of ridiculous, I get really trigger happy in aurics and still don't find myself picking up ammo often too

[plain osprey]

Thats the funny thing about exe. It's marketed as the sniper talent but its the most survivable with an automatic rifle, playing aggressively.

Because If you stand still in this game, you fucking die

[steady prism]

Veteran gets a 25% Ammo passive node but the reason it doesnt feel like Arbites is because Arbites gets the best passives. You hardly find yourself in a pickle

Also the ranged weapons that actually have ammo reserve for Veteran.. They aren't powerful enough in higher difficulties. Switch to Bolter and you find yourself unable to sustain enough ammo

[sacred flare]

So similar issue to Zealots being funneled into very specific routes then to get any mileage

[plain osprey]

True. A few on the left tree, a few on the tight and almost nothing in the middle

[sacred flare]

Executioner shotgun with the long barrel mark is comically strong too, how do you contest that as a Vet

[steady prism]

yes which is why removing the old Optical Camo passive was a mistake. It reduced threat by 90% which meant that an enemy had to be within 10 meters of you to even think about attacking you

[steady prism]

You dont. sadly the best thing a veteran can do is Inf Las. I know a lot of people disagree with this but if you hit headshots, it has ammo reserve and enough damage to deal with "non large enemies". This means you don't bother with Crushers, Flak Ragers or any of that.. you let the team deal with that and focus on Shotgunners and the likes

[plain osprey]

Yeah, thats i want toughness replenishment or melee damage resistance on exe stance, so it gets a little more survivability and you dont just get suckerpunched by that one disphit poxwalker that spawned behind you

[knotty veldt]

I love the idea of executioner stance but VoC is just too damn good unfortunately. Though getting in higher Havocs I can see a potential use for it as dedicated anti ranged since the ranged enemies are frickin deadly at higher diffs.
Theres some rly fun thematic lasgun builds where you can stack so much extra damage going bottom left keystone as well that you one tap pretty much anything not in carapace on a headshot, the ammo efficiency is necessary cos trying to kill every regular ranged enemy with a plasma gun.. well youd run try quick lol.

Imo for exe stance it needs similar treatment to castigator's stance. The core issue with it is that it incentivizes and is basically built around having your gun out for long periods of time which just isnt practical, you just get hit by every random straggler around you constantly. Castigator stance fixes this with the 80% damage reduction.
If they made exe stance have something like an Iron Halo effect or something that makes you immune to damage from all non elite melee enemies while active that would be amazing. Or even something like, you do a an aoe stagger pulse around you everytime you kill a highlighted enemy, stagger weak enough that it keeps knocking minor enemies down so your "safe" long as you keep killing but doesnt affect elites would be good.
Basically just something that allows you to tunnel into ranged enemies without worrying about minor enemies smacking you.

Additionally ofc the support nodes need a massive rework, all the support nodes for exe stance feel so shitty like they really should be combined into one. The argument against that id imagine would be not wanting every non minor melee enemy highlighted but that could easily be solved by introducing colour coded highlights. Different colours for non-elite ranged, elite ranged, elite melee and so on.

[sacred flare]

Is Krak and blitz regen/demolition team viable or do more strong builds generally not spec those?

[open ravine]

Should also get a node which either replenishs ammo to the mag like other ranged stances or increases reload speed as why does the ranged class get the ranged stance with the least perks

[steady prism]

I guess you could do it but the old Optical Camo passive would be even better than that.. I remember in the old days if you picked a location that was not near a spawn point, you were never attacked. It required map knowledge to do this and good positioning yes but it did reward you. I know for the Sanctus Redactus mission.. the little platform surrounded by statues was a near guarantee of no attack with the passive on

[vivid silo]

Kraks are one of the things I see wasted the most. I only have the becuase of either the no-ammo Maelstroms, Monstreous Maelstroms or for point tax reasons

[steady prism]

I don't have my notes in front of me but I remember Krak Grenades taking a lot longer to regen than Shredder with the passive on. Krak Grenades while good.. They will not one shot Crushers at the higher difficulties. And they have a horribly small "stick radius" on bosses like the Plague Ogryn. Trying to land a Krak on that while its charging is nightmare fuel. You have to wait until it attacks a team mate.. At that point, a Shredder will have done some damage. Plus Shredder hits Ragers which are a HUGE problem for Vet.. given that 3 spawn with waves now

[vivid silo]

Usually the first row of elites (which the Krak would stick to) are also heavily damaged, if not outright killed, by the time a Krak goes off

They require quite a bit more effort to get a use out of compared to Shredders, for not that much higher benefit

[sacred flare]

Ah, I see. Damn, at least that makes me feel a bit better when me and my Vet buddy start to feel more outpaced in Havocs (as Vet/Zealot) but see more functional variety in the other 2-3 classes

[steady prism]

Thats if the Krak lands in the correct place.. You can throw a Krak in to a row of Elites and it may choose to stick to the wrong target (happens to me a lot)

[rocky jacinth]

In a perfect world we'd see nerfs on Ogryn and Arby but I'm afraid we're locked in for powercreep town

[vivid silo]

Aye you really need to both know the theoreticals, and also be a sanctioned priest so you can pray it lands where you want it

[open ravine]

Kraks need their fuses shortened but quite a bit

[sacred flare]

With how capable the other classes are, odds are that the bulwark or crusher the krak stuck to will also die and detonate on nothing too

[steady prism]

Yes. I quit playing Veteran.. putting mine on the Shelf. I have Arbites and I am way more effective. I can achieve the number 1 spot for Elite kills just like my Veteran and do it for half the work

[sacred flare]

It was weird playing Arbites and quickplaying Auric made me think I accidentally hit Damnation instead or something

[open ravine]

The vet needs wacky buffs for ranged like arbites get with stagger and ogryn with heavy/ damage resistance

Psykers I think gets wacky buffs for either high warp or draining warp charge

[steady prism]

Yes Arbites is stupid strong. I wish the Veteran got some of the passives like the Rebreather. Rebreathers are Astra Militarum issue standard equipment after all

With my Arbites build.. I can face tank, solo entire hordes while in Pox gas and think nothing of it.. even at high difficulty. There are times impatient team mates will try to speed run the level, find me not near them with a row of Elites killed on the screen.. They always wonder whats up

[knotty veldt]

Dunno bout that tbh. Ive played arbites and it is silly how strong it is but in my experience over the last few days not having a veteran in the squad is such a noticeable difference. My friend and I were just having no luck with some 23+ Havocs soon as I switched back to vet it got soooo much easier. VoC and plasma to kill ranged and ranged elites is such a big help

[open ravine]

Arbite are good but do have their shortfalls

[steady prism]

The only Arbites short fall is how its Toughness regenerates. Or getting too "blood thirsty".. The one match where I actually took 20 points of health damage the entire match.. was because I was half asleep and really wanted to kill a group of Shotgunners hitting my shield.. I hit my F key to charge in and went to Bonking

[sacred flare]

Isn't Arbites' shortfall primarily bossing? Esp melee?

[steady prism]

Lol no.. as Arbites I take no damage in boss fights if I am ontop of my blocking. If an Arbites takes damage, it is likely because they aren't using shield. most "meta builds" are without the shield. The shield helps against certain bosses like the Sanctum Redactus target which does have a toughness breaking ranged attack

[open ravine]

Vet should get some keystone like weakspot damage buffs as early keystones or a blue towards the beginning. They should also get stacking reload and ranged damage buffs

[lavish stump]

guys you have been complaining about veteran for what

a year?

or what

[sacred flare]

well it's not so much surviving a boss, moreso killing them efficiently is my thought

[lavish stump]

yet fatshark gives no shits it seems

[rocky jacinth]

Vet should lose the ammo aura at least

[open ravine]

Fatshark really didn't do a good job on the vet tree

[steady prism]

Honestly the Vet needs a lot of better Keystones and Passives.. It needs more stamina, damage reduction, optical camo, and some way to see elites through smoke and fire

[sacred flare]

Arbites Keystone almost being a passive Exec Stance was kind of funny to see, honestly

[open ravine]

Vet needs the old 5% ammo aura base back

[pseudo fiber]

It's more DD

[steady prism]

No the Vet needs the Ammo aura.. only way to sustain ammo with the way its built, and with how little damage its guns do (the ones with actual ammo reserve). It is why I am on board with the Hot Shot Las requests.. If we could get a las that does 600 damage and melts through armor.. that would be nice

[rocky jacinth]

It was too good, hell even the current aura is so strong that you never have ammo problems
Just get rid of it completely and adjust how ammo is restored in general

[open ravine]

Yeah I feel EO should be nerfed into line of sight only and not just tagging enemies in the radius around them

[rocky jacinth]

Then Vet can be fixed with more varied talents since they don't have the aura tax

Give the vet only infinite ammo even if that's what has to happen I don't know

[sacred flare]

I really thought it wasn't going to work through walls, honestly. I was shocked to see how many specialists I had omniscience for

[lavish stump]

I can't find iron will

in vet builder

[steady prism]

I agree with the forums.. I doubt its possible to make a good passive tree with the Vet. I think specialties need to be added, and the current class should be an introduction in to the different play styles

When I am discussing it here or on the forums.. The easiest way for my brain to translate it is Division 2. In division you got specialties for being max level and completing certain objectives. I was a Gunner so my "F key ability" equivalent was a mini gun. I had passive nodes specific to LMG's.. Brrtt all day

[open ravine]

I am loving arbite and think they are good where they are but when you got passive skills which make core abilities of other classes have to activate look like trash there is a problem

[normal bay]

Centre branch, above the Focus keystone

[rocky jacinth]

I just want a class where I can sit on my gun all game and click heads

[pseudo fiber]

That class is called Killing floor 2

[sacred flare]

There's like only what, 5 gray nodes in Arbites? And almost all the nodes are 2-3 way split?

[lavish stump]

why tf is suppresion there

[steady prism]

that is what the Veteran was before they butchered it.. Optical Camo was how we did it.. Like I said.. an enemy had to be within 10 meters of you to think about attacking you. with good positioning I was free to click heads without a worry

[pseudo fiber]

5 plus like 3 that are grey but named

[lavish stump]

born leader is okayish but wtf suppresion supposed to do here

[open ravine]

Also those grey nodes are big buffs and not small ones

[grand perch]

It has one singular use that I know of

[open ravine]

Like 25 impact for a grey is crazy good

[pseudo fiber]

Hmm?

[grand perch]

Causing your plasma to suppress shooters in one shot. Can be useful in havoc 40

[pseudo fiber]

Oooh yeah

[steady prism]

Impact is everything on Arbites.. it triggers so much of your damage keystones and passive.. so its more than a high percent for a grey node.. its a literal build changing node

[rocky jacinth]

I don't care about that at all, the problem is that guns are too unreliable with Havoc mob densities. And it's gonna get worse and become entirely unfixable the more powercreep happens because single target guns become increasingly useless.
I can flick from head to head with inflas as fast as the gun fires but it's not fast enough even if every shot kills a mob.

[open ravine]

Suppression is a strange thing as once upon a time it did nothing and then it was buffed and it was great then it was nerfed and while it did a little something it wasn't really noticable and that is where it has remained

[steady prism]

Which is why people have been asking for better weapons. If a Hot Shot las were to have High Damage and Piercing Shots passive like the Bolter.. It would give you the ability to nail multiple enemies. That combined with the old designs that were taken out shoudl help

[lavish stump]

Voice of command should give way more buffs to team then it does now

Does fatshark even read this chats

[pseudo fiber]

If they remove gold toughness sure

But no you don't get both

[rocky jacinth]

And then it's just power creep. Oh Psyker is strong because they get infinite cleave? Let's give that to Vet guns oh no now it's all more AoE slop.
Ogryn's strongest build wrecks through Havoc but plays with a autoclicker, that's not good design.

[lavish stump]

Its pve

[open ravine]

Yeah considering it is a commissar themed ability I would have expected it to buff damage and speed but instead it staggers and gives toughness. Now the issue is it is so core to the vet now that you can't really remove it

[lavish stump]

If everything is broken then nothing is

[steady prism]

They already power creeped with Arbites. if anything, FS is the one that continues to move the line on what should be balanced and what is power creep

[rocky jacinth]

Buff frags? That'll let Vet keep up against mass mobs oh whoops now it's just even more AoE.

[pseudo fiber]

Arbites isn't stronger than psyker or ogryn lol

So they didn't push any bars with jt

The bar in hell

[steady prism]

Depends on who you talk to but it definately power creeped Zealot and Vet

[rocky jacinth]

That's what I'm saying, nerf everything.

[lavish stump]

No

Nerfing is generally bad

[pseudo fiber]

DS, Plasma, Purg, Ogryn, Gold toughness

Nerf those 5 things the game instantly improves

[lavish stump]

Buffing everything is the way

Why make something one bad when you can make the rest better

[open ravine]

Yeah arbites are just easy to use and learn but ogryn and psyker are the strongest if you learn them right as they just don't have any weaknesses left once you do, arbites still got issues which can get them

[rocky jacinth]

Yeah hey ho let's fucking continually buff everything and compensate with spawning more and more enemies with more health ad infinitum that's so good for gameplay

[sacred flare]

You buff everything and you get the state of Tekken 8 right now

[pseudo fiber]

Why make 10 things better when you can make 1 thing worse

DS isn't healthy

It shouldn't exist

[steady prism]

What Casual said.. I think that is something people tend to forget in these conversations.. Psyker, Vet and Ogryn have a learning curve. Arbites does not. You can be a complete bot and finish in high difficulty. I wish I screen captured it but the match I had yesterday.. I took over 500 damage and all of it was my toughness.. no health damage the entire match. thats how much of a bot I can be

[rocky jacinth]

ITS ONLY PVE is a deplorable argument

[lavish stump]

Ds and plasma keeps vet from being forgotten

[rocky jacinth]

That's not a good thing

[lavish stump]

I know

[pseudo fiber]

Power sword is also arguably better for Vet during current meta

Since it goes into mixed hordes better

[lavish stump]

Wish it was like a relic tho

[pseudo fiber]

We all do

[steady prism]

Antax Axe is how I handled hordes on my Vet. easy head remover and I can transition to Heavy Attacks in to Crusher heads very easily

[open ravine]

Yeah players forget how bad it feels when Devs focus on nerfing the good than bringing everything up to par then pulling back stuff which is op

[pseudo fiber]

They're doing that!

We had a patch where they just buffed 6 bad weapons

[lavish stump]

So when will we get any kind of update?

[rocky jacinth]

Even in Darktide, balancing is extremely important because you need to have that relationship between build crafting, killing tons of dudes, killing big strong dudes and skill expression work to make it fun to play

[open ravine]

They are are but you are saying they should are rather nerf first

[pseudo fiber]

I think we can do both!

Nerf the broken stuff and buff bad stuff

[lavish stump]

I remember psykers were shit when game first released

[pseudo fiber]

When is the chainsword getting a buff there we go

[lavish stump]

How far we’ve come

[steady prism]

Here is a thought or idea.. we can keep going round and round, OR.. we could organize the thoughts in to one organized stack and try to agree on the best method forward. I already shared my thoughts on what I agree with

[open ravine]

Why do people care stuff get nerfed so much it pve and you can just play private with friends

[pseudo fiber]

Because I play in public matches with other people

[lavish stump]

What does it achieve tho? This discussion is pointless if fatshark can’t see this

[pseudo fiber]

Launch Assail, Surge Marco psyker, current rumbler ogryn these things are so boring the affect other people

They're so strong they make the game unfun for everyone

[open ravine]

And most people aren't actually playing with the op stuff

[pseudo fiber]

Autopistol meta from pre patch 13

[steady prism]

Cole is one of the many play testers in this discord.. perhaps if the thoughts or ideas are organized we could bug them to test it or try to get the Dev's attention

[open ravine]

Unless they are sweating in havoc

[open ravine]

Rather set up a forum discussion and list stuff you know had thought put behind it

[steady prism]

the problem with the DT official forums is that posts get buried. and if there is no activity in 7 days it gets locked. this is why I have only ever commented/responded to a post.. because I know there will be like 8 posts saying the same thing.. Arbites being broken is what drowned out the recent Vet conversation

[lavish stump]

honestly I think that as more post we make on forum about vet

the sooner we will gate any kind of minor changes

like at least some node buffs

can we target CM?

tag him here

[normal bay]

I'm sure the play testers are aware of vets state. It's up to Fatshark whether anything happens

[pseudo fiber]

Probably already happening

[normal bay]

No sense harassing the CM about it

[rocky jacinth]

Vet update was already confirmed to be next wasn't it

[normal bay]

Nope

It was suggested Zealot was getting looked at

Vet is due a weapon this year though

Maybe

Possibly

Perhaps

[grand perch]

ha

noooo

[topaz lance]

early this year in fact - I mean the vet weapon

[pseudo fiber]

Just tell us if it's melee or ranged

Vet would get enough sustainance to last for months

[topaz lance]

It's just the good old plasma gun already in the game

[pseudo fiber]

Ahh they got us

[grand perch]

Another plasma mark
This one makes left click pointless and only right clicks are worthwhile

And thus, balance achieved

[topaz lance]

smart

actually a plasma pistol could be interesting

[pseudo fiber]

We're free

I can die and return to the earth

[tame lodge]

Laser gun
Piercing like bolter

Literally Helbore or Recon XIV

[grand perch]

Should I post my lasgun pierces armor build again?

[leaden condor]

Melta gun

[lavish stump]

not viable for havoc
not interested

[sick cedar]

I can almost taste freedom from Weapon Specialist hell

[lavish stump]

I don't like WS either lol

idea of constantly switching for buffs feels awkward

[sick cedar]

It's not even that it feels awkward, I can understand it but just the aspect of building towards it while still taking most of the "good" vet talents is painful for me

[lavish stump]

the only build I use with focus target

nice thing to have against bulwarks and etc

[oblique stone]

you might want to fix "like" rq

[lavish stump]

I did

[normal bay]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[oblique stone]

that could have been very bad

[lavish stump]

what did I say wrong

tho

like what is that word

OHH lmao

I googled

[oblique stone]

XD

[grand perch]

https://youtu.be/g9nBh7uT7Ug?si=XkrA6_lwB51RZIS-

[tame lodge]

Oh so you succeeded

https://tenor.com/view/he-did-it-gif-25741033

500 stamina bars

[umbral scaffold]

And
500 more stamina bars

[normal bay]

Ah, deadshot and Marksman. My favourite

That is disgusting though

[tame lodge]

2 shot carapace

Lore accurate Lasgun vs marine

[steep flower]

Despite being overly specialized; impressive

[tame lodge]

First ever usage of Chink in their armor

You know things are desperate when you have CITA

Huh

Has it always been 15% rending

?

[grand perch]

Buffed it the patch before this one

CITA Is the reason this build falls apart completely once you go below 10 stacks

I like to play it for those few glory moments when it works

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-scott-astroworld-travis-head-travis-scott-head-travis-scott-headache-gif-23896240

[undone jungle]

I heard helbore is actually good now. Is that true and if so what should I put on it? :o

[willow tendon]

.

[elder vessel]

So we got high-high-intensity auric?

[tame lodge]

High² Intensity

[nimble wadi]

Why is my loose cannon flirting with the fatalist arby wtf

[grand perch]

At least it's fatalist

If it was maul there'd be need for concern

That guy is violence in the streets, and more violence in the sheets

[pseudo fiber]

Flirting with maul is professionals job

[nimble wadi]

“You seem less uptight then the other provosts”
“It helps me sleep at night”
“You wanna know what helps me sleep at night? 😏”

Arby:

[crisp rapids]

for WS you gotta have faster weapon swap

and that thin that 25% ranger dmg after melee kill

but its amazing

[grand perch]

Agreed. Give that old commissar bootlick a new dom

[tame lodge]

Booze

Lots of booze

[crisp rapids]

like, i didnt expect it to be as good as i imagined

i thought my shockmaul + boltpistol build was trolly

nah its fucking slaps

[nimble wadi]

Maul wouldnt recognize flirting

[crisp rapids]

(altho arby just mogs it)

[nimble wadi]

He’s married to the lex

[nimble wadi]

I can’t get the smaul moveset down

Like I don’t get it

[crisp rapids]

which one

i thinkthres multiple

but it deals with crusdher so good

[nimble wadi]

With the Ia the single target loop is easy
With the III idk what the single target loop is

Idk what the horde loop is on both

[crisp rapids]

its called light sttack spam

and the same

i just hit, 1 thing, then shoot the bolt pistol with extra explosion

its a hybrid build treat it as such

[nimble wadi]

I feel like they both have no entry into a multi target look

Loop*

[normal bay]

H1-L2 for single
L1-H2 for horde iirc
for 1a

[lavish stump]

damn havoc sucks

I mean its cool but a lot of weapons are shit there

not even funny

and havoc forces meta

game should not be balanced around top 10% players

never actually

that is what kills new audience and games longevity

[normal bay]

That's the point of the mode.

Cock and ball torture, use the best shit or die trying

[shell spire]

Fear the ogrvetbites

He making all you other classes obsolete

She

[normal bay]

Female Ogryns are real

[sudden cedar]

What. The F[REDACTED].

[lavish stump]

they need to do something with that scream revival on veteran

cons enormously outweigh the pros

[sudden cedar]

You are right. Simply remove it.

[lavish stump]

exactly

either get gold toughness

or have an ability to revive downed players

but complaining will do nothing

so vet is gonna die for likea 5-6 month

until 2026

or even further like for 7-8 month

knowing fatshark

[normal bay]

Or people will still play it because they want to shoot things lol

[sudden cedar]

Veteran is fine. Dated perhaps compared to what is around, but still fine.

[lavish stump]

arbites can do that

[normal bay]

Not like we have 4 Ogryn lobbies all the time, given how insane everyone claims the class to be

[lavish stump]

better than vet

lmao

[sudden cedar]

Arbites is just cope for those without Faith in their Class.

[lavish stump]

being loyal to a class is setting yourself for a failure

or faithful

[sudden cedar]

Sure, might have been a bit exaggerated, but it certainly feels like it.

I disagree.

[sudden cedar]

My faith is my shield, my fury is my sword.

[normal bay]

Hmm..., that was meant to be a gif

[tame lodge]

proceeds to use meme builds and beat havoc

[sudden cedar]

If 4 Ogryns can slap their way through Tertium, so can you.

[grand perch]

But honestly, with all random teams, you're at a disadvantage with most off meta builds

[tame lodge]

Not lore accurate guardsmen

[sudden cedar]

True. Life expectancy of Troopers on the front is like a day.

[grand perch]

12 hours or what was it

[sudden cedar]

Not very high.

[grand perch]

That short story i mean

[normal bay]

Vet is technically stronger than pre-buff Ogryn, since Vet hasn't changed much

Guess we had no fun beforehand

[sudden cedar]

Bad teammates are just added difficulty modifiers

[grand perch]

It was 15 hours

[pseudo fiber]

And only in that one place

[normal bay]

New modifier;

Bursters randomly explode when we go to push

[pseudo fiber]

But you know how fanbases are

[grand perch]

Yeah but that stuck with a lot of people

[sudden cedar]

The average Guardsman is probably living a fairly good life all things considered.

It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

[grand perch]

Not really

Grueling shifts as factory fodder or gruelling shifts in ig boot camps

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[grand perch]

Pick your poison

[elder vessel]

IM INFILTRATING IT

[sudden cedar]

It will be awful either way yes.

But i don't think they'd they THAT quickly every single time.

[normal bay]

Pray for those gruelling shifts on an agri world

[grand perch]

handling groxes all day? no thanks

The only drawback to the Grox is their aggressive and vicious temperament. They will usually charge any creature in sight, including other Grox. They are also large, fast, and dangerous beasts, about five metres long and well-muscled.

They are territorial and like their privacy, so attempting to herd Grox together would easily drive them into a rage. The solution used is to lobotomise most of the stock while keeping the breeding animals suppressed with electro-pulsers wired directly into their small brains. Even with these precautions, accidents still happen, and Grox are usually kept on Agri-worlds and isolated from human settlements.

if i get to choose ill be on a tau world thankyouverymuch

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/sXXMCD2azEp.gif

[grand perch]

its as female cutthroat says

[normal bay]

See, perfectly safe. They're lobotomised or neurally supressed

[grand perch]

who cares about xenos, chaos is the real enemy

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[calm trench]

I prefer xenos because the orks are funny and chaos isn’t

Except Crall from dawn of war winter assault he was funny

[normal bay]

Orks are only funny if you're an outside observer

Or an Ork

[grand perch]

GREEN IS BEST THOUGH

ive said it before and ill say it again #veteran-class message

[past stratus]

I like the Veteran class 😌

[pseudo fiber]

Get this guy outta here we only hate Vet here

[void dragon]

I would argue we love vet class, we just hate his outdated perk tree

[iron marten]

vets have the helbore, checkmate

[sonic kayak]

Replace the revive node for VoC with the bleed upgrade from Mortis

[trim badger]

I'm not gonna lie I think the revive shout should not come with a downside

[trim badger]

Meanwhile Zealot players:

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[pseudo fiber]

I'm fine with it making the circle smaller tbh

Up VoC cooldown to 45 seconds anyway and yeah

Done

[abstract sand]

me neither

[trim badger]

I mean sure we can up the base cd to 45 but

Why radius nerf for picking revive

[normal bay]

Shout can usually get you a free revive anyway, outside of bosses

[elder vessel]

I was thinking more like

1:15

fuck voc

[sonic kayak]

I use it for the lines, nothing more

And the stagger

The golden toughness is neither here or there for me

[pseudo fiber]

2 and a half minutes take it or leave it

[elder vessel]

Yall think im joking

but nah

1:15

Cooldown

Legitimate

Make it happen

[sonic kayak]

Your average pubber is too stupid to maximize the usage of VoC so it all balances out

[midnight totem]

Oh hey

Another infiltrate vet

[elder vessel]

Greetings

[pseudo fiber]

You get 1 use of VoC a match

[nimble wadi]

What’s the best laspistol mark for a crit build

[sonic kayak]

2

The mk 2 in general is "better"

[nimble wadi]

Idk why you would use laspistol over recon

[elder vessel]

Laspistol isnt mind numbingly boring

https://tenor.com/view/susie-dance-deltarune-gif-23126035

Surprise susie

[nimble wadi]

I find recon to be fun af and it doesn’t give you tennis elbow

[tame lodge]

One is a finesse weapon

The other

Brrrrrr

[nimble wadi]

Isn’t recon finesse

Or at least has high crit

[midnight totem]

No

[tame lodge]

Hardly

It does have CRIT strings

[elder vessel]

it only crit because 1 million shots 1 at least will crit

[nimble wadi]

Fool me once
Fool me twice
Fool me chicken soup with rice

[tame lodge]

Slightly microwaved ice cream

[nimble wadi]

I microwaved my ice cream for 45 seconds the other day

It was great

[tame lodge]

Shut

https://tenor.com/view/shut-shut-up-shut-it-shush-shut-your-mouth-gif-26635232

[nimble wadi]

It was great

Longest I’ve done is 1:30

[void dragon]

At least zealot has confirmation that they will get a rework, Veterans must suffer for a Looooooooooooooooooong time more their crappy perk tree (considering even Zealots will have to wait an ice age for it, at least!)

[nimble wadi]

Now that it’s warm I sometimes just let it sit outside a bit

[trim badger]

And vets had confirmation of a new weapon before they saying they'd rework the Zealot tree

But here we are xddd

[tame lodge]

Don't keep talking about it like it's making things better

😭

[undone jungle]

The update steam newsletter that introduced relic blade/force gs/heavy stubs hinted vets would get something Soon™

[void dragon]

Power fists for veterans...only in 4100

[undone jungle]

I wanna imagine that something was Castigator Stance

It'd be very funny if that's what they intended

[quick seal]

if they nerf voc i'm buying arbites and never looking back

[trim badger]

I think gold toughness needs a nerf not VoC itself

[undone jungle]

Ya

It'd be interesting if they made VoC do something different but equally as good

Like maybe make everyone in radius untargettable by ranged enemies for x seconds or reload everyone's weapons idk

[trim badger]

Or just make it so gold toughness doesn't protect you from overheads, snipers and bursters

[undone jungle]

I like the reload idea I wanna dump 30 bolter rounds in one trigger pull

[tame lodge]

Bad idea

[undone jungle]

I imagine they will likely rework golden toughness with zealot rework or slowly get rid of it entirely

[tame lodge]

Exec stance used to reload vets gun

They took that out

If they readded

[sonic kayak]

[tame lodge]

It should be on exec

[undone jungle]

They shouldn't have it was hype

[sonic kayak]

I miss those days

[tame lodge]

Not voc

[torn gorge]

vet chat and the solution to VoC is to make it a different kind of busted

[undone jungle]

Idk we'll see but once fart shart reworks Vet I truly doubt voc will go unchanged

[trim badger]

If they remove gold toughness I'll be sad, I like having extra toughness because of gunners in H40

[undone jungle]

Well yes actually

Fun busted

[trim badger]

But it defenitely needs to not prevent damage from things that should damage you lol

[undone jungle]

VoC/chorus meta is just boring safe play

[torn gorge]

dumping 30 bolter rounds is surely just "fun"

[trim badger]

Then remove the safety xddd

[torn gorge]

totally nothing associated with the power creep

[trim badger]

Or reduce it

[undone jungle]

Replace VoC with elysian jump pack

Fuck it

It'd be tuff

[torn gorge]

so you get beamed midair by gunners?

[sonic kayak]

The problem for me: When these things are pushed as meta, then people take these options because they are "meta" and therefore automatically "good", and because they are using the meta, they are infallible

The biggest problem of all is lack of learning the game

Like Fatshark makes it easy

[undone jungle]

Idk it'd probably have to make you ranged immune mid flight or something

[torn gorge]

so you are ranged immune and out of melee range at the same time

[undone jungle]

It's a big jump

Me like big jumpy

[torn gorge]

yeah definitely just a fun factor with no powercreep

[undone jungle]

What

[sonic kayak]

Most people who are running those things still don't know proper priorities or gameplay mechanics and they still fold like paper, and then they go to Reddit to complain about bad teammates

[undone jungle]

Castigator Stance already exists and that makes you damn near immune to both

[sonic kayak]

Had a fucking H30 Rumblergryn not even knowing to slide

[undone jungle]

Yeah that's something that really bugs me. The tutorials the game provides aren't very good either and the game has so many crutches that mean a ton of players never have to learn basic game mechanics.

[trim badger]

Mister E fan moment

[undone jungle]

Speaking of being immune to all damage

[midnight totem]

Personally, I think VoC overall is fine. Maybe increase base CD.

[sonic kayak]

Like for me, VoC's utility, above all else, is the stagger

[undone jungle]

Do yall remember how on games release and like a year onwards Zealot had 100% DR when sliding

[sonic kayak]

A room full of gunners will still light your ass up and having you eating dirt, even with golden toughness

[undone jungle]

God the game was so weird day 1

[midnight totem]

But the gimmick, gold toughness itself is okay. That gold toughness won't last long at all in circum circumstances.

[sonic kayak]

But teammate grabbed by a boss? Or need breathing room because of the 10 overheads coming? VoC

[undone jungle]

Veteran lost half of their DR while sprinting for some reason back then

[elder vessel]

ITS SO PEAK

[undone jungle]

You get the vision

[trim badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864698813050388501/1389065721840926720/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.06.29_-_23.10.37.01.mp4?ex=6863ec83&is=68629b03&hm=add3a3a0acc31bddccb04d1d72e3fe8f7d275b82e1929b7b6726f11ff0d3dab9&

Vet do be kinda crazy tho (this is a H40 plague ogryn)

[elder vessel]

fuck yelling we JUMP now

[sonic kayak]

Now that I think of it, that was probably the original vision of VoC, with golden toughness added as an afterthought

[midnight totem]

Infiltrate has too many fucking nodes

[elder vessel]

Make the 30% damage one natural and make it last longer

Like 12s

[undone jungle]

Whole ass tree has too many nodes ngl

[sonic kayak]

"hey here's an instant stagger button, but it needs a little oomph, how about golden toughness" ignoring that you can get it back before the golden toughness ends

[pseudo fiber]

Space marine 2 assault

[elder vessel]

Gunners are given the brain worms and ignore flying targets

[undone jungle]

VoC and Chorus seem balanced outside of the idea that CDR exists

[midnight totem]

Add a base 15 percent close damage to infiltrate, remove that 30 percent node

[elder vessel]

just like how they ignore the dog biting their friends face off

[sonic kayak]

Heretics don't have friends

[grand perch]

they changed something this patch

suddenly my lasgun tears off bulwark limbs, my knife decapitates people and such

more gore

[undone jungle]

They should make an Infiltrate node that let's you put a satchel bomb on something mid invis because that's funny

[midnight totem]

Don't you X me infiltrate vet, this is basically want you want only less powerful

[elder vessel]

Grenades do 200% more damage and can be used without ending infiltrate

[midnight totem]

I'll be happy to take the stronger version

[undone jungle]

I was thinking more like "mid infiltrate your blitz is replaced with a single use satchel bomb, 120s internal cooldown" or something

[midnight totem]

Players get up to three kraks base

[void dragon]

You can use nades without ending infiltrate

It's already a thing

[elder vessel]

hehe he swag

[trim badger]

I mean the closest thing to VoC in Vermintide 2 is Merc Shout, which gives everyone +25 temphp

[sonic kayak]

OOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

[elder vessel]

Quick Toss Smokes that detonate on impact

[undone jungle]

Erm ackshually Sienna's Unchained ult at lvl 35 can do the same thing

[grand perch]

thatd be so cool

[trim badger]

Yeah? Idc that's not base unlike chad merc :3

[midnight totem]

Alternatively, if you keep kraks to only two base, put grenade regen for them at 45 percents

[undone jungle]

Trvth

[elder vessel]

Except that ult is trash and is only used to save yourself from exploding

That being said

Thats the way it should be

Unchained my beloved

[undone jungle]

I remember some chud telling me to spam use it for team THP he also told me I was delusional when I didn't agree with him that IB was the best career in the game

[midnight totem]

Foot knight for me

[undone jungle]

Infinite ammo volley crossbow Zealot the goat

[elder vessel]

The recon lasgun of vermintide

[undone jungle]

More like mk3 exec shotgun lowk with that cleave

[midnight totem]

Thought that was Waystalker with hagsbane

Or have they nerfed it?

[undone jungle]

Nah its still good but since the new THP talent changes BH is actually quite good now

You can run BH with billhook or Huntsman with Bret LS it's so swag

Made Waystalker feel less strong since she had a huge edge in melee compared to other ranged* specialists