veteran-class

[rotund pond]

You can get them replaced

1000 dyno nuggies

1000 vitamins

[serene bough]

out the box VII requires the least invesetment, but when IIb is invested in properly it'll reach similar breakpoints to the VII with far better benefits (faster RoF, instant sprint to fire, huge ammo capacity, less ammo per shot, etc.)

IX is just the weakest overall and is in need of some pretty sizable buffs to make it viable again

[rotund pond]

Which color is that one?

[serene bough]

the tan one (sorry thought you meant the IIb)

[arctic rampart]

Anyone have a list of mods that needs updates?

[quick seal]

the dogs are hella confusing

I keep confusing the cyber mastiffs for pox hounds and accidentally shooting them

[sharp epoch]

yeah 😭

[quick seal]

they need a better system

idk what, but, yeah. It's a readability issue

[sharp epoch]

I mean you can turn outlines of companions off but idk if thatll solve swinging at them

[quick seal]

maybe make the existing poxhounds extra super duper green to differentate them from the cyber-mastiffs. It doesn't help that the cyber-mastiffs also have skins that are mangy and sickly

[sharp epoch]

Idk theyre so fast I'm just swining on insticy

[quick seal]

same

[gilded rock]

Are the teammates' cyber mastiffs not outlined when you play a non-arbites?

[quick seal]

They pounce on some enemy and i'm like "oh shit my teammate needs help" and then half a second later, i'm like "oh"

[quick seal]

idk. everything is highlighted so i don't really know what's going on anymore

Is that blue highlight horizontal lines thing a new arbites thing? I think it's blue-highlighting everything

[formal hamlet]

I have died to more barrels this week than I have in the totality of my time since release.

It's like people go out of their way to wait for me to be near it to trigger it mid-fight.

[rotund pond]

They can be, the settings to turn it off or on is in the display settings, sometimes if u haven't played arbites or dont own the dlc it can be off by default

Might be wrong guy I replied to but its good for ppl to know

[tame lodge]

They are outlined

[arctic rampart]

people do that at all levels of the game.. keep you on your toes. expect it

[rotund pond]

Grenades do cause barrels to explode tho

[gilded rock]

Have you been playing inferno modifier a lot? I know barrel spawns are upped there

All incendiary though

[tacit sonnet]

Are these icons supposed to be clickable or not in the guide?

https://i.vgy.me/4V1w1B.png

Because I can't click any of them

[unreal nova]

Need to DL PDF ver for it

[tacit sonnet]

how do I do that

[quick seal]

howdy @hushed cave

[hushed cave]

Hello
What blessings should I use for chainsword for vet? Currently have blood thirsty and blood letter

[quick seal]

Rampage + Shred on the Mk IV, and Wrath + Shred on the Mk XIIIg

[hushed cave]

I'll check those out thanks

[unreal nova]

There's a download button, top right. Open in a better .PDF reader.

[quick seal]

I had the same question last month #veteran-class message, and I will tell you that I was sorely disappointed with the chainsword.

[hushed cave]

Hmm I also like the chain axe would that be better?

[quick seal]

Even after rolling the "perfect" , most optimal chainsword, it is still disappointing. It gets stuck on everything (not enough cleave), it doesn't really get through armor that well, and it has pretty bad mobility. After using dueling sword, it is hard to compare anything else to it.

[quick seal]

"Chainaxe does different things from chainsword, being much more single target orientated. But they’re not nearly as good as top performers"

[quick seal]

The "top performer" in this case, for #veteran-class, being the power sword, mostly.

[hushed cave]

Interesting thanks

Don't have a power sword currently, what perks and blessings should I look out for?

[quick seal]

For both marks (Scandar and Achlys), you'd want Power Cycler for your first blessing, and Brutal momentum/sunder for your second blessing.

That is the prevailing opinion and I feel that it works well. The "Hammer of the Emperor" guide is the most up-to-date and accurate of all the guides in the pins. #veteran-class message

[arctic rampart]

You probably want weapon specialist with power sword. the dodge distance buff it gets from it is quite notable. Attack speed feels good on it too. Make sure to take trench fighter. Dump stat is cleave

I'm kind of partial to recon lasgun (fast firing one) with it. Probably best in slot is bpistol or infantry autogun or zerona revolver .. fast killing ranged guns that can let you trigger weapon specialist on demand

[rotund pond]

cool lookin bug

[past stratus]

I've been thinking about moving away from the Helbore, on Auric things are dying so fast I barely have time to aim, much less charge

arbites dogs sometimes seem faster than bullets

[rotund pond]

eisenhorn

[steel fiber]

its beautiful

wish we had the larger 1 handed chainsword ngl

[real lynx]

how do you get that top left helmet?

ive never seen that before

[rotund pond]

its a bug

if you display a helmet thats in the shop with another helmet they can sometimes overlap

[real lynx]

ah damn

thats genuinely the best headpiece ive seen for vet

😭

[rotund pond]

currently working on a vet build based on eisenhorn that doesnt use VoC

bolt pistol, power sword

[quick seal]

The best talent ever

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-is-it-though-thor-bruce-banner-gif-14242312

[quick seal]

shock trooper they could never make me hate you 🫶

[hushed cave]

Bought it for the same reason, such a good look

[junior grail]

Thoughts on the new Dclaw mk1?

[rotund pond]

shock trooper is just good, if your using a las weapon if not then you dont need it

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c5633-2451-4889-aee0-e9ed2bd2a291/gregor-eisenhorn-build

eisenhorn build that is also good w/ longer ranged weapons

[gilded rock]

Why is he a veteran

Oh probably just because psword

No ewl cair or whatever that sword move he hyperfixates on was though

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/unc-still-got-it-gif-6384030002593541773

Managing to do better than an Arby stack that have Havoc ranks feels-

good

[unreal forge]

first time checking this channel since Arbites released

gonna try the buffed Helbore

[faint beacon]

Veteran is good at anti ranged, just you have issues with Arby Hounds fucking over pick kills

thats literally all I got from this

LMAO

[tropic notch]

@faint beacon what perks and blessings for the new hellbore?

It looks really fun ngl

[serene bough]

I like Arby so far

But the lack of unyielding killing options is kinda ass

[gilded rock]

Exterminator shotgun has ridiculous unyielding damage it seems

[serene bough]

Yeah but it's not that consistent considering it's clip size is only 4

Kinda weird to play a class that seems so proficient in horde clear and stagger but has such apparent weaknesses against certain enemy types

[tropic notch]

I don’t struggle with it tbh

Crusher and his unique maul are really good

[gilded rock]

Isn't it 5 or 6 with max ammo stat? At least on the shorter variant with more damage

1-3 shots reapers And I saw one guy one shot a bulwark

[serene bough]

I thought the other mark was better at unyielding

[serene bough]

Hmm

Maybe im not building right

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3b793e-4110-4ad4-a27e-62cd15bcf980/terrible-arbites-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button this is what I’m using atm

[junior grail]

Do update, love them by concept. Hope functionally better

[tropic notch]

I’ll post a clip of me using when I’m home guh

[unreal forge]

is this not a dead talent like 90% of the time

perfect blocking a meme and stun immunity is nice but not really worth a point

[tropic notch]

Has a lot of uptime tbh

Due too concussive

It’s kinda busted

[rotund pond]

nah the eisenhorn fit is only available for vet

cus the devs are like that

[tropic notch]

Yeah it’s pretty good and it’s stupidly easy to get max and maintain

Hell break the line gives you a ton i believe

Depending on how many you hit

[unreal forge]

it's not like you're getting stunned constantly

[tropic notch]

Think of it as thy wrath be swift it mainly helps with area denial

[heavy rover]

Did a havoc 30 with the helbore, feeling really good to bring it into havoc 40

[tropic notch]

You get to walk at a flamer instead of being pushed back by them

[junior grail]

Which Helbore?

[heavy rover]

sorry mk iia

[junior grail]

Mind sharing build?

[heavy rover]

give me a second to load it up

[junior grail]

Thankies

[heavy rover]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f3c6424-3c04-4446-9875-2fcdecb5b950/helbore-grenadier-havoc?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[gilded rock]

That sucks

[tame lodge]

Also Arbiter shields can block unblockables by default

And Arby's have the worst dodges in the game (depending on the weapon)

So they really are stand and fight

Instead of weave

Weave

https://tenor.com/view/weave-dodge-fight-fighting-weaving-gif-25366275

[serene bough]

Thank you

[unreal forge]

still have a talent to better the dodges tbh

[tropic notch]

Did it work well?

Of course it didn’t it’s terrible

Guh

[serene bough]

Oh I haven't played yet

[tropic notch]

[serene bough]

R u trolling me son

[unreal nova]

His builds are all generic but called terrible.

[serene bough]

[gilded rock]

Mauler and crusher overheads??

[unreal nova]

I would assume those have to be perfect blocked.

[gilded rock]

Mayb mayb

[tame lodge]

Apparently yeah

I didn't test it because I don't got Arby's

[gilded rock]

Gonna have to try that for myself, I can not believe it would block crusher LMAO

[tropic notch]

Nah I’m not

[mighty anvil]

whats the recon lasgun meta build

[tropic notch]

Me when lie

[tropic notch]

||I like generalist play from most classes I want them to be able to preform well in any situation I call the terrible but in reality they’re very well rounded ||

I call them terrible because I’m soooooo bad at the game

[unreal nova]

Don't you gaslight me as well...

[tropic notch]

And I suck at destiny 2

[tropic notch]

[tame lodge]

Keystoneless

[serene bough]

I see so karien was right

[tame lodge]

The alternative is drop the chance of grenade and get shock trooper

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/demoted-russian-kid-russian-kid-crying-discord-mod-gif-23854964

[tropic notch]

Vet build™️

[unreal nova]

He just trolls newbies with the awful naming. >_>

[serene bough]

Worked on me I must be new to this game

[hollow ibex]

lol this new update has really brought some noobs out of the woodwork

both in this server, and in the game

[ancient path]

the new mission board fucking sucks.

[lucid hinge]

it's mixed

[ancient path]

is it though

[unreal nova]

I mean, IDK how you go down as an Arbites in malice...

[hollow ibex]

what can i say, underpowered class

basically a vet

[unreal nova]

WDYM? It's broken as heck.

It's like watching oggies drop on malice.

[safe kestrel]

I figured you’d be in here @unreal nova So what you really think about the class. No trolling or jokes is it over or just right?

[unreal nova]

Broken as heck.

[elder vessel]

Veteran deserves a riot shield

[unreal nova]

I'm annoyed vet didn't get it.

[elder vessel]

he can get his own special version to differentiate himself

a riot shield and some cool sidearm

plasma pistol

or a special cool guy laspistol

[unreal nova]

But yeah, literally zealot but better except no gold.

Took vet things but better as well.

[elder vessel]

Arbites Grenade are just fast frags

[unreal nova]

Is like hybird vet zealot with oggy toughness.

[iron marten]

Arbites class is hilarious

Me and a friend did half a million damage each at auric damnation at level 17 and 19

[unreal nova]

Naw, what if krak and frag had a baby but insta booms.

[tropic notch]

Naur

It’s just good

[safe kestrel]

Ogryn chat is mostly taking it well. Zealot chat not even talking about it

[unreal nova]

Broken, but not oggy broken.

[tropic notch]

I thought it would be power crept terribly

[tropic notch]

It’s pretty solid

[elder vessel]

dismissing the idea that's arbites is just better zealot
Arbite does stagger, zealot does damage

different identities

[safe kestrel]

True

That stagger keeps you up in big packs

[unreal nova]

And stagger becomes damage. It's like oggy in that sense.

[safe kestrel]

The most consistent long range answer is the dog though

[unreal nova]

Revolver, pistol, bistol.

[safe kestrel]

Yea that can probably maintain damage output

[junior grail]

I hope we get a new pistol, Stubgun ie straight up Deagle

[tropic notch]

Zealot is built around dodges and crit

Arby is synergy with dog and stagger

[elder vessel]

not even talking about how these classes have different toys to play with no matter how much overlap they may or may not have

[unreal nova]

Is more how it can dumpster both vet and zeal.

[tropic notch]

A zealot will completely out dps a Arby

Especially with the new evis

[junior grail]

Does Zealot have a dog tho?

[safe kestrel]

🤔

[tropic notch]

Naur….

[junior grail]

Haven't tested yet, how is new Evi?

[last marten]

is veteran the objectively weakest and mosy unfavored class right now?

[elder vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-gif-25024682

[tropic notch]

Amazing they really buffed it up to stand on par with relic

[tropic notch]

Kinda

[junior grail]

Ooooo time to BRRRRRRR

[tropic notch]

If you wanna use the best build tm do chainsword, hellbore

[unreal nova]

More or less, will totally be when the plasma "rework" drops.

[tropic notch]

The worst melee with the best ranged

[safe kestrel]

My honest and unpopular opinion? I’m going to get sentenced for heresy saying it

[elder vessel]

they need to make smokes quick toss and explode on impact

[tropic notch]

Crazy how the chainsword is now the worst weapon atm

[tame lodge]

They got that dawg on 'em

[unreal nova]

To be fair, the dog >>> average player atm.

[safe kestrel]

Mind reader

[elder vessel]

you can call it a nerf yknow

its totally deserved

[junior grail]

Not sure if bait or...

[last marten]

i agree about impact smokes
theyre not reactive enough to counter snipers

[tropic notch]

[unreal nova]

The dog carries bad Arbites as well.

[tropic notch]

Really tho hellbore is amazing rn chainsword needs love

[junior grail]

Is the fast one still the best? I really wanna like the heavy one but the slash is so finnicky

[safe kestrel]

Yea I’ve witnessed rough matches too. I’ve made mistakes myself. I’m very confident on higher difficulties that the wheat will be sorted from the chaff

[formal hamlet]

Trapper fired a netgun at a bot and it hit me lol.

[unreal nova]

Why I said it's like watching bad oggies.

[tropic notch]

I use the heavy one too lol

[tame lodge]

3a (medium) is the best rn

According to Path
Best ranged weapon on vet rn

[safe kestrel]

People really should give it time for people to reach these levels and see how it goes in action before assuming all this. If the pool of broken arbiters on havoc 40 is a small crowd, then using common sense it’s the players not the class that made that happen

[tame lodge]

[tropic notch]

What’s the new perks on it or are they the same

[safe kestrel]

I doubt the curmudgeon who made that comment is playing havoc 40 already with the class he hates

[safe kestrel]

In my seer psyker voice, “oops”

[unreal nova]

Just how???????

Literally runs in my mind.

[safe kestrel]

I’m used to playing with a class that works completely different and nothing else 🤷‍♂️

[junior grail]

Bis blessings still Onslaught and Surgical?

[tropic notch]

So unyielding and maniac?

[unreal nova]

I mean, it plays like a small oggy with a bonus dog.

[tropic notch]

[tame lodge]

Surgical + Falter/WoF/Hotshot

[tame lodge]

Idk

[safe kestrel]

Yea but this is my first melee class to play to level 30

[tame lodge]

Onslaught being Weight of Fire (WoF)

[unreal nova]

Oh. Guess you never did melee vet.

[tropic notch]

@tall torrent what’s your perks on the hellbore?

[formal hamlet]

Timing in this game is nuts.

Just as things get out of hand and I tell myself "Okay wait, relax, I got this."

The AI director is not "nah you don't, we're not done yet."

Plague ogryn pulls up on me and kicks me off the map.

[safe kestrel]

No I played on the zealot doing that because the game introduction described them as such when I got into Darktide

[formal hamlet]

I think it's officiall too late at night to be on Darktide. We had a bot in our match the entire game, nobody joined.

[ancient path]

the cleave shotty feels kinda limp

i still dont get special ammo shotty

why load when you can shoot

[unreal nova]

Oh, everything can be played melee anyway so herp.

[ancient path]

theres not a situation where im playing where im lke oh joy its time to load special ammo!

[elder vessel]

Veteran also needs new fucking Auras already

[safe kestrel]

You know what I mean -__-. You frontliner smack takers

[elder vessel]

its been more than a year since they came out and surv is still the only one worth a shit

[ancient path]

u dont want 5% more movement speed?

[elder vessel]

cute

[ancient path]

thanks

[unreal nova]

Wat?

[elder vessel]

good, more melee in my melee game

[safe kestrel]

Ogryn is tank class but zealot and veteran are fitted for in your face playstyle

[tall torrent]

which one

[tropic notch]

The mk 3 and the other heavy mk

I forgot it

[unreal nova]

Oggy is tank, dps and support at the same time.

I'm not even joking.

[tacit sonnet]

Ogryn is literally the best at everything

[mighty anvil]

DS/Bistol kinda slapping

[tall torrent]

IIIa unarmored + maniac
IV elite + unyielding
both run surgical + falter/hotshot/WoF
dump stability

[tacit sonnet]

Whatever you want to do, ogryn will do it better

Literally

Ogryn is strong as fuck

[mighty anvil]

i want to not be a filthy abhuman

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-noted-glorp-noted-glorp-noting-this-down-alien-cat-gif-11958671377507601335

[tacit sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/garn47-x-twitter-bluesky-garnblast-gif-5183076449783799640

[unreal nova]

Like if we wanna call Arbites broken, oggy just split Cadia 2 into shards.

[mighty anvil]

i definitely see an arbites nerf in the future

[tacit sonnet]

I don't

I see an ogryn nerf

But not an arbites one

[safe kestrel]

That’s on the point of what I’m getting at. Any complaints made by those that would play the class are hypocritical. If it’s boring to play then so would ogryn. If it’s OP then so is ogryn

[tacit sonnet]

Arbites is literally 12$, let him be strong

[elder vessel]

Veteran Aura Idea
You and allies in coherency receive +5% damage, times the amount of players in coherency (2 players is 10%, 3 is 15, 4 is 20)

[tacit sonnet]

But he's still much weaker than ogryn

[tall torrent]

u can run smth else over elite on IV
elite saves u 1 point (don't need superiority complex for dreg gunner crit 1hs in havoc)

[unreal nova]

I'm a vet main, I know the feel. I still think everything should be good at something, but oggy good at everything and vet nothing if you compare to the other classes.

[tacit sonnet]

vet is weaker than zealot, but that's arguable

I am also biased because I have vet

[unreal nova]

Vet needs to minmax tree to barely hit breakpoints.

[safe kestrel]

Yes and straight up it’s lame

[tacit sonnet]

zealots don't need to minmax because they only have 1 tree

[safe kestrel]

What’s also lame is anything new on any game has a large subset crying out nerf no matter what

[elder vessel]

Veteran needs more shooty based stuff

[unreal nova]

And no, I'm not talking about DS, we can all agree that is simply broken.

[safe kestrel]

Like its gamer culture at this point

[elder vessel]

and quick toss smokes

[unreal nova]

But that tree is at least still good.

[tropic notch]

Guh i run it anyway lol

[tacit sonnet]

This is what makes his tree ass

[tall torrent]

if u run superiority complex u can get smth else instead

[elder vessel]

1 good aura

[tacit sonnet]

Arbites is 2nd strongest class and he still seems so behind ogryn in power

[tall torrent]

unarmored gets u dreg gunner 1hs without crit

it's ok

[tacit sonnet]

Ogryn NEEDS a bit of nerfs

To get him at least to arbites level

[safe kestrel]

Like no bull, that means youde better at the game than them because of the circumstances. I suspect, suspect the negativity is over stealing thunder from ogyrn and zealot

[tropic notch]

Yeah I’ll probably do unyielding or flak

Because I’m running ws

[safe kestrel]

Zealot has loner and so many people run it because you can tell

[tacit sonnet]

The only reason I ever ran loner is to save some talent points

This is literally loners sole purpose

To be a point saver

[unreal nova]

Naw, I lack mechanical skill nowadays. Reflexes died and such.

[tacit sonnet]

Arbites also has loner aura except it doesn't suck as much

[unreal nova]

Arbites has loner but it's also TDR.

[tacit sonnet]

it's better than loner

[unreal nova]

Thus...

[tacit sonnet]

loner is just can't be <2 coherency

While dog is +1 coherency

[unreal nova]

8 coherency is just...

[elder vessel]

It actually helps the team

[tacit sonnet]

It does SOMETHING

[tall torrent]

u should already have unyielding

[tacit sonnet]

Loner barely does anything

[tall torrent]

flak does like nothing for breakpoints

[tacit sonnet]

I still am a big fan or beacon of purity aura

[unreal nova]

You mean nothing. I get more spamming dodge button.

[tacit sonnet]

I think it's way better than people think

But taking talents before is just soooooo bad

It's awful

Terrible

Makes me wanna vomit these talents

[safe kestrel]

@tacit sonnet you don’t think zealot is a one man show?

[unreal nova]

Why do you think I run it anyway?

Impact does nothing to crit weapons, the tdr thing is gambling on who it affects.

[willow tendon]

mfw (my face when) arbites discussion in vet chat

[tacit sonnet]

oh, benediction aura is better than beacon

I'm just sayin' beacon is not as bad

Not that it's better than benediction

[safe kestrel]

I’m sorry

[tacit sonnet]

Don't be

[unreal nova]

Beacon has some uses at least. Stares at Blight.

[tacit sonnet]

IF you want to be a one man show, you take holy revenant and benediction

Not fucking loner

[safe kestrel]

Hey man. Whichever one has them speed running ahead alone lol

[unreal nova]

You could speedrun with tdr. >_> I have seen fury tdr Zealots speedrunning off.

[tacit sonnet]

If you wanna run ahead, you take shroudfield and holy revenant. Still not loner

[safe kestrel]

I’m failing on the acronym

[unreal nova]

Toughness Damage Reduction a.k.a. Benediction.

[safe kestrel]

He’s right that’s gotta be what they use because it’s attack what you want. Get it aggro. Run off

[junior grail]

I wonder how the non Arbites ranged weapons fare on Arby

[tropic notch]

Guh

Maniac unyielding

[unreal nova]

Feels pointless, Arbites weapons>>>the shared stuff.

[tacit sonnet]

Crusher is really good

Bolter and bolt pistol should always be good

They just work

Rashad is always good too

Tac axes are good

[torn gorge]

ye but shotpistol chunks

[tacit sonnet]

Shock mauls are good especially after buffs

So in reality, all melee weapons on arbites are good except chainswords

And even those are servicable

Ranged choices are much worse

The only good choices are bolt pistol, bolter, iag, revolver maybe?, shotguns

Not sure if there's anything else to choose that's not bad

[torn gorge]

brauto with a vet in the group

because of all the crit you can get from the tree

altho thats prob not really a havoc choice to make

[junior grail]

I like how there's no mention on Autopistol

[dry cloak]

The shotguns are fucking goos on them

And brautos can be turned into lmg stand in with the mag increase node

[torn gorge]

ye but the issue is overall ammo economy because the class does not have a mean to make bullets out of thin air

[junior grail]

How is Double Barrel on Arby?

[dry cloak]

You mean tripple barrel?

[junior grail]

Can you triplefire???

All at once?

[dry cloak]

Idk

If you have time test it

[junior grail]

I haven't had time to play yet, not even char creation

[dry cloak]

Ah

I have a hour ill test it

[dry cloak]

with braced uses 2 bullets

so youre left with 1 shot

[junior grail]

Ohhhh interesting

[junior grail]

Thanks mate

[halcyon parcel]

Wait why?

[lusty jewel]

Best recon lasgun blessings/perks?

[tacit sonnet]

because keystones suck

There are way better options

[tacit sonnet]

inferno dumdum
Crit chance flak

[halcyon parcel]

Are they really that bad? Focus Target seems alright, no?

[tacit sonnet]

I play like this

https://i.vgy.me/el1lcF.png

You can grab focus target if you want to

Instead of demo team

Or like this if you want onslaught

https://i.vgy.me/QEjnRN.png

Here you can't grab keystones

[halcyon parcel]

Gotcha! Thanks I'm pretty new here so its good to know that theres such variation to be had

[tacit sonnet]

There's no variation, if you want variation, look at ogryn, psyker or arbites

vet and zealot are down in the gutter

[lusty jewel]

dumdum over headhunter huh?

[tacit sonnet]

I don't like headhunter

I used it over dumdum and it kinda sucked, I prefer dumdum much more

Use it if you feel like it's better

[lusty jewel]

Gotcha, I've just always used Helbore but have been trying to get into Recon and Infantry Lasguns

[hollow ibex]

headhunter is a trap on recon las

[tacit sonnet]

reciprocity which you take anyway gives a lot more crit

Don't think you need much more, recon also has decent crit string

[grand perch]

No they're actually really good. Recon is just a special case

[tacit sonnet]

yea, should've probably mentioned it

[tacit sonnet]

better options for recon specifically

[unreal nova]

FT is good with recon, if there's another vet with it, that is. Heh.

[long dove]

what's the two chainswords good for?

[unreal nova]

Staring at.

Cosplaying.

100% gun only builds.

Uprising difficulty.

[long dove]

funny

[lusty jewel]

Chain weapons get no love from the devs

[long dove]

also why is reload the dump stat on revolver?

[topaz lance]

because weapon spec I guess.
You can also dump mobility

[topaz lance]

being good 1,5 years ago 😁

[long dove]

well what's a good melee to go with shotgun?

[lusty jewel]

Is dueling sword still the meta or did they nerf it with the update

[junior grail]

Not nerfed yet

[normal bay]

It is unchanged

[tall torrent]

It’s mobility

[normal bay]

In fact it got the tiniest buff lol

[topaz lance]

whatever weapon you like using, if you want meta - DS

[lusty jewel]

I should probably at least try dueling sword at some point

Need to roll a good one

[long dove]

Fair, been using the shovel instead of DS recently. THe spike HURTS

[lusty jewel]

I do love my shovel

But I just always used shovel and helbore cuz Krieg cosplay

Trying to branch out a bit

[topaz lance]

Rashad axe is almost busted

[steel fiber]

chainsword or powersword? and why?

[long dove]

Mk IV feels so good now

[lusty jewel]

I mean, power sword is more useful in all situations

Basically all

Except for maybe 1v1ing a mauler or rager but still

[steel fiber]

fair, i also don't quite vibe with how small the assault chainsword is

[tall torrent]

It’s way better at that than most other weapons

[lusty jewel]

Chain sword is just so rough cuz if there’s ever more than one special attacking you you can forget about using the special attacks

Which there’s almost always more than one special

[steel fiber]

ngl wish theyd update the power sword to function like the relic blade, going from zealot to vet was an oofer there

then question 2, mark vi or mark iii?

[tall torrent]

VI

[steel fiber]

what blessings do you run?

[lusty jewel]

Can’t remember which mk I use. Whichever one makes the shove flip into a spike you swing downward at the head

[steel fiber]

still leveling vet but quite enjoy weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

Power cycler
Brutal momentum

Carapace

Elite

[steel fiber]

thanks!

[tall torrent]

Dump cleave target

[lusty jewel]

Too bad this situation very rarely happens on any but the lowest difficulties

[steel fiber]

would be cool if we got a sword + pistol now that we have shield + pistol

[tall torrent]

What are you talking about here

Chainsword 1v1 mauler/rager?

[lusty jewel]

1v1ing one special unit. There’s almost always a multitude of them

[tall torrent]

Or power sword 1v1 mauler/rager

[lusty jewel]

Chainsword

[tall torrent]

Because power sword is significantly better than chainsword at 1v1 mauler/rager

It’s not even an argument

[lusty jewel]

Yeah idk if there’s any situation the chainsword is better

Sadly

I want to use it cuz idk chainsword is a fun weapon concept

If it had a better horizontal sweep it’d be much better but neither mark has fully horizontal sweeps, they’re all diagonal

[tall torrent]

won't matter

[steel fiber]

see my main irk with it is that its so tiny

[tall torrent]

no elite stagger

[lusty jewel]

The lack of stagger is brutal going up against ragers and maulers

[steel fiber]

they couldve given us this

instead we get this

[lusty jewel]

I’m still holding out they will give us sword and gun combo

[steel fiber]

thats what im hoping for now that we got the shield n gun combo

[lusty jewel]

We have shield and gun combo with arbites now

[steel fiber]

imagine they rework the weapon specialist or give it a keystone to do that

[tall torrent]

Very unlikely to happen

[steel fiber]

i know, but a man can dream

[tall torrent]

Dual wielding would have to be their own weapon categories

[lusty jewel]

I mean it’s not unprecedented either. Vermintide 2 had a pistol and rapier for Saltspyre

[steel fiber]

see the main thing to me would be

would it be a gun or melee?.. and like.. how would you treat that?

double melee?

[lusty jewel]

If it were like Vermintide it would be melee and your special weapon attack would fire your pistol

[steel fiber]

id rather ads is fire, shoot is melee and special is a shove

[grand perch]

Or, recently, shield and shot pistol on arb

[lusty jewel]

We mentioned that earlier yeah

[steel fiber]

so when do i wnna use the powerup on sword?

[lusty jewel]

Yes.

Just, always.

I don’t recommend swinging it without charging it

[steel fiber]

really wish it was just like the relic blade 😭

charging beore very swing sucks

[tall torrent]

All the time

[lusty jewel]

Yeah well they had longer charge time back in the day but it made it the god weapon of kill so they nerfed it into the ground

Veterans were out melee damaging the Zealots with the OG Charge Blade

[topaz lance]

Vet was the best class for quite a while

FS has PTSD from that

[lusty jewel]

Probably a reason they won’t ever give the charge blade the same mechanics as Zealot’s power great sword

[grand perch]

Release vet basically had castigators stance

Activate ult and walk forward through hail of gunfire

[junior grail]

I remember the days... toughness and reload on demand

[daring sage]

i remember getting lucky and getting a power cycler 4 power sword and that it was just insane

[long dove]

which combat shotgun do you think is the better of the 3?

[topaz lance]

Agri

imo

[long dove]

cause the slug?

[topaz lance]

yes and it consistently triggers full bore

[odd sparrow]

If its only trash thats not too thick heavies can do ok uncharged.

[unreal nova]

That slug's range is further than you think.

[odd sparrow]

Agri shotty is great now. The buffs fixed many of its BP issues and the reload and ammo buffs are huge

[long dove]

I was gonna try Man-Stopper and No Respite

with Accatran

[odd sparrow]

Special slug is essentially a sniper shot

[signal zinc]

I FUCKING HATE THE HELBORE

[unreal nova]

It's just still kinda bad on WS just because can't auto reload special ammo shots.

[grand perch]

A fate worse than death

[signal zinc]

I HATE THE HELBORE RAHHHH

[grand perch]

Seek help

[long dove]

skill issue

[open ravine]

Played a little bit of vet on heresy yesterday and the guy playing arbites in the mission said he thinks arbites will be nerfed but the thing is I had to run for half the mission without heals as I was the only one coping with the difficulty. Arbites is a strong tank but the vet still dominates in versatility and killing potential.

[topaz lance]

I mean it's heresy, the guy just wasn't that good at the game. Diarbeetees is much more braindead than vet to run (except VoC meta vet maybe).

Nerfs will come in time for sure. I can see Castigators Stance and Lone WOlf being nerfed for example.

[open ravine]

Nah they are not that strong

Ogryn is probably the most busted at the moment

[long dove]

Agri shotty feels like it cant handle a horde to well
May need to test more

[topaz lance]

Yeah but I mean two things can be true.

[open ravine]

Arbites are good not busted in my opinion

[long dove]

How's Pgrun busted?

Ogryn*

[open ravine]

Like if you know the class you are going to be powerful and they are a simple cass

[long dove]

I know I feel busted with twin link and point blank barrage lol

[open ravine]

That's his weakest ability his other 2 abilities are stronger and if you build your ogryn right he is basically indestructible and hits like a truck

[long dove]

Hmmm

How

[open ravine]

I dabble in ogryn better to ask an ogryn main

But it isn't a secret that ogryn is really easy to get insanely strong

Even on an unoptimised build

Like there were even people on the forums recently asking for the ogryn class be nerfed

[long dove]

Huh first I've heard of it

[grand perch]

Ogryn is silly strong rn

He's basically as strong as a hulking behemoth should feel honestly

[open ravine]

Stunlock bullying the DHs

[grand perch]

But balance weeps

[long dove]

Yall think shotgun can handle hordes?

[open ravine]

On arbites yes as they synchronise with them but on vet it's better to swap to melee or use a high fire rate weapon

[tall torrent]

not worth spending ammo on

[topaz lance]

Yes but also ideally you don't use ranged on hordes (flamer is an exception).

[long dove]

Combat axe good for horde?

[open ravine]

They buffed shotguns to be an arbite's weapon and not really a everybody weapon

[tall torrent]

top tier

[open ravine]

Yeah all melee is good for hoards

[long dove]

For some reason feels worse than Shovel for me. Prolly just need to empower more

[topaz lance]

Rashad + brutal momentum is like a knife through butter

Rashad is low key one of the most consistent weapons in the game. Good at everything

[open ravine]

Well shovel is god tier

The shovel is versatile and got Aura

[tall torrent]

put brutal momentum on

[long dove]

And a spike

[open ravine]

Yeah the spike variant is really good

[long dove]

Also running that talent to load my gun when I kill with melee

Weapon master or something
Tired

[open ravine]

It's okay on the high mag weapon but if you have something under a hundred ammo rather use put your point elsewhere

[steel fiber]

are we talking the weapon expert one?

cuz to me the whole nice part is it that itll atleast load 1 round back always so you can quickly swap, load off a shot at anytime and get your melee perk back up and running

[open ravine]

That's nice if you are a melee focused build but if you are doing a versatile build it isn't really needed unless you are running maybe the double barrel

[steel fiber]

fair enough, i just have it to access the next point where you restore toughness when you trigger either of them

[long dove]

Shotgun feels good but damn lol. Think I'd be used to it cause Helbore

Well it comes in handy giving me about 4 to 5 shells while I'm meleeing

So it's nice

[willow tendon]

what else do I take for hellbore

[sudden cedar]

Field Improv.

[grand perch]

Bring it down

[patent prairie]

Which one looks better?

[tall torrent]

demo team
then honestly, whatever else

[crimson mica]

Will Markman's Focus keystone ever get changed into something more useful?

[frank basin]

I wish is lesser move remove stack

Since the game is a lot moving around

[willow tendon]

I don't understand how to play with hellbore. When to use normal shots, when to use charged shots, if I should shoot into hordes etc.

[frank basin]

You don’t shoot at the horde

You deal the rangers enemies

You kill the gunners and sniper

Charge shot is good

Uncharge shot to kill smaller gun guys

[fossil basalt]

Part of that is also having a team that recognizes they should keep hordes away from the helbore wielder

[sudden cedar]

Exec. Stance and Helbore for sure work better in a coordinated team

[tall torrent]

normal shots almost never
charge headshot vs gunner & specialists
do not shoot at horde, melee them with ur melee weapon instead
bayonet is ok vs single ragers and taking down captains' shields

[heavy rover]

for normal ranged enemies, you can use normal shots. Gunners, snipers, specialists, maulers, bosses, etc., use charged shots. Do not shoot into hordes, switch to your melee at that point and/or chuck grenades at your feet

[tame lodge]

Never uncharged

Shoot everything that moves

What are they going to do?
Waste your infinite ammo?

[heavy rover]

mk V with weight of fire

literally shooting charged shots faster than infantry las

by the way, does brittleness affect pus-hardened enemies?

[true jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-huh-cat-kitten-kitty-gif-5273247718297236208

pre what enemies

[heavy rover]

havoc modifier

[true jackal]

i'm joking

[heavy rover]

oh

hi joking

[steep flower]

I dunno if its obvious but having a semi-automatic weapon and even considering shooting at the chaf is… mildly put… stoopid

[willow tendon]

It has ammo to support that

[heavy rover]

but can you imagine charged shots with mk V helbore, weight of fire, and hot shot?

literally cleave machine gun

[steep flower]

Hyperbruv you’re missing the point i was making; i will speak plainly; Not good to shoot with such a gun at hordes

[heavy rover]

i mean it's not ideal to use charged shots on a horde

but it'd be funny

[willow tendon]

I'm not missing the point

[steep flower]

In short; its great for specials & elites & shooters

Use it on those

[steep flower]

Its an absolute meme and i like it

[heavy rover]

I saw a madlad run mk V with weight of fire on a havoc 31 game

it was awesome

and that was pre-buff

so if anything

[steep flower]

Oh ye i was too until i realised how good falter is

[willow tendon]

Major problem is having arbites on the team because as soon as you fully charge the target is dead

[heavy rover]

solution is simple, keep shooting to keep max stacks of weight of fire

[steep flower]

Not fast enough; it does take practice & i get the feeling

[tame lodge]

As Jinx would

Get Jinxed

Wait
Hold on

That's not it

Ah found it

C'mon, shoot faster

[tall torrent]

yes
but it doesn't interact
brittleness is ADM boost
pus-hardened is ranged dmg reduction

ur gonna need to shoot pus hardened guys extra times no matter what

[grand perch]

Pus hardened is also, very importantly, stupid fucking bullshit

[steep flower]

Dmg redu is 50% right?

[grand perch]

And I hate them forbringing it back

[willow tendon]

Btw does partial hellbore charge add damage or is it only at full charge

[true jackal]

• me putting a modifer to counter ranged combat in a mode with already reduced ammo

[steep flower]

Its ez tho

[tame lodge]

On h40 yeah

H1 is like

89% or something

[tall torrent]

at least, 50% (h40)
lower havoc have higher DR
which means an enemy at h40 will have effectively twice their health vs ranged dmg

[steep flower]

Ekhem… pardon me but HOW & WHY?

[tall torrent]

example, both flamers have 2100 health maniac at h40
with pus hardened, they have effectively 4200 health maniac at h40

[normal bay]

H40 S2 started so well, then they started bringing back all the shitty modifiers lol

[tall torrent]

I told u it's the worst modifier in the game and u said nuh uh

[grand perch]

if you werent aware papa, thats why i hate it so much

[normal bay]

I await the ranged enemy re-buff

[tame lodge]

Nuh uh

[grand perch]

time to bring out the infernus recon i suppose

[steep flower]

Cause it ain’t that bad as ppl paint it to be lmao

[tame lodge]

Bubble epidemy

[tall torrent]

it is as bad as I point it out to be

[steep flower]

Id say purples & reds are the worst, even if seperate cause average joe dunno how 2 prioritize targets or have no CC to pick purples out first in a wave of metal

[tall torrent]

I think helbore still ok even for pus
u do so much dmg on a crit headshot that it's ok to shoot them still

[heavy rover]

personally I think Final Toll is the worst havoc modifier

it's bullshit that you can't stagger ragers when they go red

[tall torrent]

it's not like plasma where shooting pus is a complete waste of ammo

helbore can actually kill them and not get tanked ammo econ

[grand perch]

fair enough

[tall torrent]

also falter can stagger them

[heavy rover]

falter works on red ragers?

[tall torrent]

red is complete CC immunity

[steep flower]

Nah

[tame lodge]

Casual Helbore W

[tall torrent]

nothing will stagger red

[patent prairie]

Infantry lasgun..what’s the blessing efficiency??

[heavy rover]

ah

[tall torrent]

headhunter/falter + ghost

[grand perch]

so i can still oneshot them on my mk IV hel MMF build, iirc

[tall torrent]

I think yes?

[patent prairie]

But what is it though?

[grand perch]

since maniac ADM buff, that should work

[tall torrent]

are u asking about what "efficiency" blessing does

[patent prairie]

Yes

[tall torrent]

I honestly doubt it

[steep flower]

Of all helbois i believe mkiv would have the least problems with that

[tall torrent]

it's really bad, don't use it

[heavy rover]

yeah efficiency isn't really worth it for infantry las

[steep flower]

Wonder how good mkIIIa is vs puss in h40

[grand perch]

mutants have 4000 health on regular damnation. a headshot kills them on my MMF build. so its only 200 damage difference...lets see

[tall torrent]

u would need to essentially double your damage to 1 crit headshot a pus flamer
it's not worth it

[grand perch]

15 finesse stacks go brrrt

[heavy rover]

I don't think it'd be too much considering pus hardened scales down on higher havocs

[steep flower]

Its still the same as in how much you have to shoot

[grand perch]

theres no creature spawner mod that enables h40 health levels is there?

[steep flower]

There was smth

That you could enter a havoc mission alone and spawn creatures at the very beginning

[analog mural]

Doesn't solo play have the psyk as a map now? So you could set it to h40 in the psyk

[tall torrent]

Shoot 2-3 times

[tame lodge]

Ilas uses 2-3 ammo

[grand perch]

ill look into that thx

[analog mural]

Don't know if creature spawner works with solo play though

[tame lodge]

With efficiency it shoots 1-2 ammo

[tall torrent]

No need to do all that u can just do math

[grand perch]

you said the bad word

it rhymes with bath

i already know i do 4000 dmg vs mutants in one shot but i lack a mutant enemy with more health to easily test it

[tame lodge]

Wait

[tall torrent]

At 15 stacks u can crit 1hs them

But it’s like

[tame lodge]

What's the Efficiency % again?
33%?

[tall torrent]

Too finicky to be worth building for

[grand perch]

i dont think so

i can keep these stacks up. thats kind of my thing

[heavy rover]

i didn't use efficiency for infantry las when I was using deadshot

[neon estuary]

bought myself a beret for my veteran

[grand perch]

congratulations on your purchase. it comes with free baldness

https://tenor.com/view/thats-bad-the-simpsons-bad-simpsons-gif-19384049

[neon estuary]

i'm already bald because it always itch while wearing a hat or helmet

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-good-simpsons-good-homer-homer-simpsons-gif-19384056

[neon estuary]

wish the beret was green or black though....

[jovial wagon]

They’ll just sell a green or black one and call it a new cosmetic

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

Maybe I should make a super extra duper ammo efficient build

With Survivalist
Shock Trooper
Headhunter
Efficiency

It's definitely redundant but hey

I'm the one shooting

And you're not

[heavy rover]

you're missing deadshot

[tame lodge]

Nope
I'm not missing

[heavy rover]

aight I see your game and I respect it 🤝

[neon current]

whats the best inf gun nowadays, vraks?

need to get these penances done with useless arbi weapon spec

[tame lodge]

Vraks5 yeah

[neon current]

cheers

[analog mural]

As someone who wears a beret for work, they are not fun to wear and maintain. But the coolness factor is undeniable

[steep flower]

Try collumnus; i’m serious (ppl say its the worst for some reason)

[steep flower]

Do they stick to your head or when a wind blows they just come off?

[analog mural]

Depends how you wear it. Most tend to wear it pretty loosely so It can fly off, I have a rather tight beret though

Lots of different styles aswell

[sudden cedar]

Columnus Infantry Autogun. I approve.

[unreal nova]

But but but, isn't the rule of cool the important part?

[analog mural]

Indeed

[cloud thunder]

@tall torrent hey quick question. Could you explain damage resistance vs toughness reduction? What scales better in terms of DR?

[tall torrent]

which talents are u talking abt

[cloud thunder]

Arbites

I was curious what would provide better overall DR

[tall torrent]

yea, which ones

[cloud thunder]

Suppression protocol, the 10% toughness reduction node, the 25% damage resistance after killing elite or special, hold the line (stacking damage resistance)

[tall torrent]

TDR node is x90% TDR
suppression protocol is x80% TDR
imposing force is x75% DR (applies to both health and toughness)
hold the line is x97% DR (applies to both health and toughness), up to 5 times

these are all multiplicative

[cloud thunder]

If you had to pick 2 from these, I’m guessing TDR node and hold the line?

[split grove]

what did the tacaxe get this patch?

[tame lodge]

Nothing 🗣️

[ancient path]

what b lessings do you guys use for the acctran combat shotty

[tame lodge]

Damage

And mobility

[split grove]

wait taxe didnt get shit?

[tame lodge]

Mk4 actually usable it seems

[split grove]

i thought it was getting buffed

[tame lodge]

No it

Got damage

And mobility

[true jackal]

hows the speed on it now feel wise?

[tame lodge]

Idk

[true jackal]

the combat shotgun speed feels great, even if they still aren't amazing

[ancient path]

ive been enjoying the accatran a lot

the rest, not so much

[unreal nova]

Funni light spam go fast fast yes.

[ancient path]

i dont get the need for a big cleave ranged weapon when i have other, better options as a vet

[split grove]

the best tacaxe still 6 right

[tall torrent]

Those are the easiest to grab yea

[quiet valley]

Boys its over, vet going into retirement

[gilded wraith]

Hah, good name.

[quiet valley]

Arby's just has Exec stance that can actually duel gunner squads and gives rolling dmg buff, and makes you unkillable :0

[gilded wraith]

Came out of the oven a little hot.

[quiet valley]

oh and it gives you resrves ammo reload on kill

like wtf

[gilded wraith]

I vaguely recall when damage reduction was rare.

[grand perch]

ofc it did

[quiet valley]

yeah now its just free 80% dr like what

[grand perch]

Q is just an entranched taxe hater

[grand perch]

oh yeah? vet aint dead!

...its mortis trials

[split grove]

vet still useful in havoc surely

[quiet valley]

My Havoc boards have been insane

easily double the next persons dmg

[umbral scaffold]

Vet mains stand up

[quiet valley]

usually round 2mil dmg and 300/400k boss dmg

[tall torrent]

Play lone wolf Rashad

[split grove]

i thought rashad cleave capped in havoc

or is arbi cleave nodes insane

[tall torrent]

With push +cleave node you can stagger 5 Dreg ragers at once

Arbites also gets the best breakpoints for Rashad

[split grove]

but 1hmaul

my goat

[tall torrent]

Arbites maul also very good

But lone wolf Rashad is a special kind of cracked

[steep flower]

I wonder if there is any possibility to make chainsword rev stagger a crusher on arby

[tall torrent]

Crit-weakspot

[quiet valley]

Been running OG shock maul and duckbill shotty

[steep flower]

With all impact you can possibly get i pressume cause even a crit can’t stagger a crusher

[tall torrent]

Crit-weakspot can, by default

[steep flower]

Duckbill shotty thats clever

[steep flower]

Need to do some testing when i get home…

[undone jungle]

@grand perch which Tax do you recommend? I'm probably gonna use it more often on Vet and Arb now

[ancient path]

shock mauls feel pretty good

but idk the buffs it got i just swing that thang

[undone jungle]

Very noticeable ones I'll tell you that much

Prebuff you could swing at Crushers all day and get barely nothing done

[ancient path]

very nice

[steep flower]

Thats cause you haven’t got a proper build for it

It was doing nicely againts cara

[undone jungle]

It was better than a Devil Claw but it was no Rashad let alone PS6 or DS4

Now it's very very good

[hollow ibex]

i mean DS4 is just fucking stupid

[undone jungle]

True

[hollow ibex]

but crusher could absolutely match rashad

[steep flower]

Ps6 too

[hollow ibex]

partially because the weapon itself is just good

and partially because it's on zealot

[undone jungle]

Crusher?

[hollow ibex]

yeh

[undone jungle]

Why are you talking about the Crusher

[ancient path]

also forgot how much i love grenade build

getting two double grenades

😩

[undone jungle]

This is vet class we're talking about the shock maul

[hollow ibex]

oh you're talking about shmaul

nvm

[tall torrent]

I remain unimpressed by the shock maul even after buff

Arbites maul is just better

[undone jungle]

Yeah the shock maul does better into Crushers but only marginally on Arbi

[ancient path]

11$ maul is better, cant believe it

[undone jungle]

Arbimaul has significantly better hclear

It's good on Vet though

[ancient path]

11$ class has better thing than base class. what a world.

[tall torrent]

Arbites maul is consistent 3 tap vs crusher

[ancient path]

in a shocking turn no one saw coming

[tall torrent]

Shock maul takes like 4

[steep flower]

Had to otherwise it would not sell

[ancient path]

bingo

[grand perch]

im still going with 7 for now

[undone jungle]

Idk what you're running on both of them but on same build I've seen the shmaul consistently very slightly outperform it in dps vs Crushers but it's a very small margin

[undone jungle]

I'd say the niche of using on Arbi is mainly the special attack which is good into captain shields

That's about it

For vet it's another story tho

[tall torrent]

Shock maul skullcrusher + HV
Arbites maul execution + HV

[undone jungle]

Yeah same build here

[tall torrent]

Shock maul doesn’t get the same stagger breakpoint as Arbites maul

[undone jungle]

You don't need it..?

Arbi has a talent that let's you count enemies as staggered on melee weakpoint hit

[quiet valley]

on arby you dont even need stagger bps, your dog auto attack staggers everything except bosses* with electric stacks

no idea why they let the dog auto attack do shock maul spcial stuns

[undone jungle]

Were you testing both with 0 talent points allocated or what

[steep flower]

Its the CC factor that matters

[tall torrent]

Skullcrusher’s interaction with that one is a bit weird

[undone jungle]

Yeah true it requires multi hits

[tall torrent]

You need to hit first, then enemy counts as stagger, then skullcrusher can start working

So the first 2 attacks won’t actually get any benefit from skullcrusher

[steep flower]

I mean thats a talent you may or may not take tho

[tall torrent]

Whereas execution starts working from 2nd hit

[undone jungle]

Why first 2

[tall torrent]

Because the first hit applies fake stagger from concussive

[undone jungle]

Ah okay

[tall torrent]

And the second hit applies the first skullcrusher debuff

[steep flower]

Ye was about to type that

[tall torrent]

The third hit would benefit from the first skullcrusher debuff and apply the second skullcrusher debuff

[undone jungle]

Fair enough idk why I found different results maybe I just used different combos

[tall torrent]

So from 4th onward it gets full skullcrusher value

It’s a bit weird

[undone jungle]

I wonder if it's better to just run hammerblow on shmaul with scrusher then

[steep flower]

Whats your expert opinion on mace & shield?

[steep flower]

I do that

[undone jungle]

I used to do that prebuff on Agri smaul when running it on Vet since at max hammerblow stacks the push attack on it would punt down Crushers

Very weird interaction I know

[steep flower]

I just like to put things on their asses thats why

[undone jungle]

Yaaa I think mk3 is probably the way to go though since better clear

Did they buff the stagger on smaul

[steep flower]

I prefer angi more; better moveset

[undone jungle]

If so then Agri definitely lost the niche

[undone jungle]

I really hate the angle of the horde clear heavy

If it was a bit more shallow I'd love Agri but the Mk3 is so dead simple in it's angles

[steep flower]

Its someting one can cope with

[tall torrent]

no

[undone jungle]

Then I guess Agri or Angi I forgot still has the hammerblow niche

That's nice

[tall torrent]

irrelevant when arbites maul exists

[steep flower]

Angi

[undone jungle]

Does Vet get arbites maul

[tall torrent]

no

[steep flower]

Nope

[tall torrent]

and frankly no real reason to use shock mauls outside of arbites

[undone jungle]

Yeah not wrong

Frankly I find it hard to justify using Vet lately when that damn dog special snipes better than the average human

Even Zealot spams golden toughness better than Vet </3

[ancient path]

you think my free class is getting $11 class weapons?

and fatshark remembers vets are in the game?

get outta here

[undone jungle]

It's really funny after they added power gs and force gs they said "don't worry vets we got you"

Then radio silence

[ancient path]

soon!

we'll get something ...... soon!

[undone jungle]

Do you think they've made the melta like 8 months ago but forgot where the file was

[ancient path]

"oh fuck we forgor"

"hey guys fatshark here!!! melta guns!"

"our artists have been really outdid themselves with this one. please look forward to it."

[undone jungle]

Anyway Vet is looking really sad lately and it's really funny they're gonna nerf plasma (deservedly but still) while all of this is going on

[ancient path]

watch it be for ogryn

[undone jungle]

Wouldn't even be mad

[ancient path]

vet is still mostly fine but its just kinda boring playing the same shit since.............................................................

[grand perch]

im hoping for simultaneous zealot and vet rework

prob not tho

[undone jungle]

Please

[ancient path]

since...............................

[undone jungle]

They both need reworks so so bad

[true jackal]

you know full well fatshark can't multi-task

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15369666712716004131/0C9891F04E3EA24248AD24C4F295D2C6B06529B1/
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11097517182189844178/A623A07DA44AFB1396A1DD253FAF5DB122E021D0/
arbites maul vs shock maul

[tall torrent]

zealot at earliest september, maybe new vet weapon in that same update
vet would be december or next year

[sudden cedar]

Sounds like a lot of Hopium

[ancient path]

until then ill just keep blasting

[steep flower]

Then you haven’t meet a good vet

[ancient path]

and wishing covering fire was cooler

[steep flower]

And im not surprised

[ancient path]

i wanna use covering fire for my las recon builds but its kinda just not worth

it is cool idea tho

[serene bough]

its generally just not a good idea to shoot hordes

theres some niche situations

[ancient path]

god emperor gave me bullet

i send bullet to the heretic

big or small

heretic get bullet

i do not play for min/max. i just swing that thang

[serene bough]

i used covering fire for a little bit with the IIb ilas

[ancient path]

which is why im considering just going fuck it and do the support build i had in mind

[serene bough]

it has enough consistent fire to actually make use

problem is its almost never worth using lol

[willow tendon]

@tall torrent sorry for disturbing; if I don't play havoc, what should I take on hellbore IIIa instead of damage to unarmored? damage to elite?

[ancient path]

sometimes the god emperor just actually gives me bullets!

why wouldnt i shoot it!

[tall torrent]

probably unyielding

[willow tendon]

ty

[tame lodge]

proceeds to talk how chorus zealot is actually bad

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[gilded wraith]

Still BM Headtaker?

[tall torrent]

yea

[sleek garden]

I take covering fire

I shoot my lasgun into a horde

I leave with more ammo than what I stated the fight with

it's too easy

Zarona shotgun is budget arbites shotgun now

Taking it with crits and marksmans focus and tunnel vision

it's a lot of fun

It just takes like 5 shots to a mauler to kill

Also it one shots reapers now

[sharp epoch]

arbites shotgun is a lot more busted

[serene bough]

anyone try the new mortis trials yet

just had a wave where they dumped 12 bosses over time

[sleek garden]

I did say budget

Why is the arbites shotgun better

The choke seems a bit tighter

[willow tendon]

hellbore mk5 moment

[serene bough]

lol

[willow tendon]

1 more

[tame lodge]

It takes more than death to kill them

[tall torrent]

yea

that's why it's mk3a and mk4 that are top tier

[torn gorge]

[tame lodge]

Just click your mouse harder

Heard that helps

[charred finch]

blessings still the same for helbores?

[split grove]

between rashad and 1hmaul whats the trade off?

assuming going lonewolf melee build

[tall torrent]

Surgical + falter/hotshot/WoF