veteran-class

[narrow frost]

the slug will 1 tap just about every enemy bar mauler crusher and mutant

[split grove]

what moves to stagger with tacaxe

[narrow frost]

special

and hit weakspot

[split grove]

oh, that's just ds4

[fallow sky]

So basically using the shotgun with this build as a special prio weapon. Hmm. I guess at that point, would want something that swaps fast and can deal with other trash relatively fast.

[narrow frost]

its a utility/sniper/anti special gun

I play mostly melee on all classes

[hollow ibex]

maybe i'm getting a bit ahead of myself, but it's fine

[crude star]

had a funny 4 man vet in damnation

[tall torrent]

u lose so little cleave that it doesn't really ever matter
and u get faster than avg sprint bonus

[crude star]

I see, thakns

[gentle lake]

Yall got any tips for playin vet

Show should I play? like a sniper?

[narrow frost]

Example of spot dodging

[narrow frost]

vet is the 50/50 class, a mixed expert

find your style that you like

I mainly play 95/5 melee to ranged

I use guns that are fast or solve 1 problem that my melee cant

[gentle lake]

I see

[molten oar]

Vet is pretty based

• You can go las sniper
• You can go melee comissar
• You can go shotgun war crime sim

Pretty versatile

Ironically before Relic Sword my favourite melee build is PS Vet with Bolt Pistol

[solemn niche]

wahts the mod that gives you slightly zoomed back camera ?

[narrow frost]

in the vanilla game settings, Fov slider

[uncut pebble]

Vanilla

[gentle lake]

I didn't like the helbore lasgunmuch...

maybe I can give it another shot

[frank basin]

i have 60% charge speed as dumpstats for fastest charge rate helbore

is nice

[gentle lake]

ah

That would help

[frank basin]

you can spam a lot charge shot

[gentle lake]

dump stats is from getting it to max empowerment right

also what r good blessings

[frank basin]

well if you wanna the discord guide is in the pin

ill get for you

[gentle lake]

I got it already

dw

[frank basin]

alright

i forgot what's mine anyway

oh yeah, i mine just; Need more dakka per boolet

[crude star]

weight of fire on the fastest one?

[molten oar]

Tbh my issue is the Helbore doesn't charge fast enough to compete with high level play tbh

I spot an elite, it's dead before I'm done charging SMH

[frank basin]

is an old helbore anyway i haven't touch vet for while

i would look into what blessing i swap out

[molten oar]

Hol up so what even is Charge Rate?

I assume its how fast it charges?

[frank basin]

186 rpm

from guide said

[frank basin]

yeah it is

[hollow ibex]

why dump charge rate...

[frank basin]

because is a mkv

fastest charge shot

[hollow ibex]

and not taking surgical on helbore...

[frank basin]

surgical overused for me

i play opposite direction

[crude star]

does demolition have any internal cooldowns

or is it just 5%

[frank basin]

5%

you can proc many if you kill multiple elites

[crude star]

so i can get a billion from some huge dog pack

very nice

[frank basin]

yeah

like scavenger pre-nerf

[molten oar]

Hmm rn I'm running the Mk. III helbore

Gotta agree, that one has a pretty slow as reload

High charge dmg thoe

[frank basin]

mk3 you could use wieght of fire and surgical or armorbane

but mkiv is heavier

slowest rate of fire

and yield more dmg

[molten oar]

I do have Surgical on it

Forgot which 2nd Blessing thoe

[frank basin]

surgical, wieght of fire or armorbane

[molten oar]

Hmm I should switch to Mk. V for the fast charge

See if that'w worth the dmg tradeoff for faster charged shots

[frank basin]

mk v gonna do lesser dmg lesser ammo consume charged

with quicker charge

[molten oar]

Not that I'd ever win in a competition with a suicidal Zealot

[frank basin]

the bayonet is a poke

on mkv

[crude star]

mkv and mk3 (the blue and green ones) have the same bayonet attacks

mk4 has the slow over head thing that has oddly high cleave

[tawdry blade]

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[tropic halo]

Yeah sadly not

[tawdry blade]

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[frank ledge]

If we join chaos maybe it'll come back

[fossil lake]

how good is 2 bleed? If I had to pick 5% melee or 2 bleed stacks per hit, which nets more on average?

on, lets say, a heavy sword

[narrow frost]

Unsure on the exact math but Hsword wants to 1 shot for brutal momentum to work

[frank basin]

i remember someone said bleed is bad

[narrow frost]

So adding more base damage instead of DOT damage will help it

I run serrated pm Hsword cause it's funny

But if you had to choose take the 5%

[frank basin]

:grimdank:

[frank ledge]

Bleed is bad unless you aim for boss damage

Or some weapon that can apply it to Bulwarks in mass (like trauma fire or shredder nades)

[frank basin]

i put melee crits node (and 5% crit node/perk) can go up 50% with exploit weakness + Onslaught

so bleed DoT with exploit weakness crit proc and little boost onslaught

looks funny

25% base crits

[frank basin]

my lovely dclaw Katana

[grand perch]

TAU SPOTTED

https://tenor.com/view/tau-melee-gif-21070042

[proven cargo]

That ain't no dclaw, that's a falx

[frank basin]

is lacking handguard so yeah

[tepid otter]

I see people with levels that are like 40, Thought the max was 30

[coarse knot]

Hello there!!!
Returning player here (last time I played was back when they FIRST redid the perk system) and Im picking it back now but I am sooo lost on what to do
I used to do Power Sword/Bolter combo but I feel like my its not performing as well as I remember it doing back in the days.

I was wondering what some weapon combos are and whatnot as I looked through the build websites but im not too sold on the new weapons and what to replace my power sword with.

my ranged weapon choices are kantreal and bolter, but feel free to let me know if either are sort of out of fashion

[crimson pebble]

bolter power sword and both very much still in current meta tho not nearly as much as they used to be

[coarse knot]

thats good to know. but I do want to move away from PS cause I do not like how its a one time per charge these days.

[crimson pebble]

rlly any of the melees outside of shock maul and certain devil claw mks are all viable melees but both are getting slight tweaks on monday so they might be a bit more viable but if youre looking meta kill everything ds4 rashad and knife are your best bets

[normal bay]

Heavy swords a good choice for bolter, since you don't need to melee carapace

[strange crow]

That’s their Havoc clearance

[crimson pebble]

also if you and you should take power cycler blessing you get 3 charged swings

[strange crow]

Infantry lasguns are struggling rn but bolter is rly good, especially if you pair with heavy sword IX or tac axe for cheap horde clear

Path.exe made a bolter build for each of the melee weapons, lemme try to find them

Tax axe: #veteran-class message

[frank basin]

gambling on dclaw getting 60 mobility not so great

[strange crow]

Hsword: #veteran-class message

[frank basin]

nvm, i brought random mysterious weapon from melk and got 60 mobility

that was dumb luck

[strange crow]

Melk bucks useful for once????

[frank basin]

i was broke

so i spend melk buck

also another good stats from random melee melk

why so generous melk?

(also from melk)

[uneven talon]

👌

[coarse knot]

thank youuuu. i was away eating lunch

[tepid otter]

Ohhh, so how do you get to 31 onwards per se, just play Havoc?

[loud belfry]

yes

[tepid otter]

Noticed it's a bit hard to get into as a rando, so I've just been doing Auric

[loud belfry]

havoc is cringe without at least ONE teammate you know is competent

[tepid otter]

That's fair

Did my first 1 prolly a week ago, was intense, so I looked up some Havoc Builds as a Vet

[frank basin]

if i go havoc im going have hardware issue

*right mouse button flickering when i hold down
*A button lost spring

[uncut pebble]

@tall torrent do you have to manually reload to benefit from opening salvo or can you use always prepared as a surrogate reload?

[tall torrent]

As long as ammo reaches or exceeds 80% of mag size, its active

[uncut pebble]

Interesting.

[sleek relic]

hey path has anything changed for building infantry auto guns on vet from old doc to the new steam one? in terms of like perks, blessings etc

[tall torrent]

Not that much

[lapis osprey]

what was the mod for taking a screenshot of the entire talent tree? cant find it anymore

[sleek relic]

Thanks

[dry cloak]

Use gameslantern

[frank basin]

for in-game: https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/214

[coarse knot]

should I level this?

[loud belfry]

cleave target is the dump

[coarse knot]

gotchaa

[unreal nova]

Wanna hear something? Impact 'nades with puncture also causes bleeding.

Bloody Arbites can just do Frag but better.

[molten oar]

Hell yes I say

That's pretty neat

[unreal nova]

Lethal prox also works btw.

[coarse knot]

Oki doki

[molten oar]

Cleave's pretty neat to have

Even if it's a bit redundant on PS when powered, just in case

[coarse knot]

Ooo i thought the cleave on it was affected by cleave too

That said, what are the blessings i want on it?
I know one of it is going to be the x3 swing per charge but idk the other.

Also how do inget 4 squares filled up for perks?

[molten oar]

Maybe

But it's so high as is when powered that it doesn't really matter against chaff from what I experience

[void dragon]

arbites is really the Pay2Vet class... BUT BETTER

[coarse knot]

Gotcha

[unreal nova]

Yep. Someone tested the 'nade thing... Just WTF.

[molten oar]

For the 4 square perks I assume you gotta RNG for it

For Blessings uhh... I forgor what Blessings PS has

[unreal nova]

Why can't we apply 10 stacks instead?

[molten oar]

Pay money to turn your Vet to a human-sized Ogryn

[void dragon]

inferior ogryn, still superior to Vet

[unreal nova]

Like... just...

Did the playtesters allow it just so the bloody Arbites just annoys vet mains more?

[molten oar]

Well nobody hates Vets more than Vets after all

[unreal nova]

If it worked on every damaging 'nade, sure. But it's only on the Arbites 'nade.

[void dragon]

nah, its that we are seeing the potential of a Vet rework but that is so far away that it stings like its personal

im sure they dont care for Vet mains at all

[unreal nova]

I know, I really do.

[crude wind]

Guess we'll see won't we

[unreal nova]

1 year to rework so yeah.

If it happens.

[molten oar]

We'll get Space Marine 3 before we ever see a Vet rework

[unreal nova]

If it releases this year, more or less.

[steep flower]

I swear 2 God Emperor if i hear one more time that Arbites is better Vet i’m gonna chainaxe a mf

[void dragon]

can i see when you chainaxe that mentioned mf? can give popcorn

[frank ledge]

Arbites is a better zealot

[wanton plume]

which blessing should i swap?

[true jackal]

supercharge for brutal momentum

[wanton plume]

aight

[unreal nova]

Better vet and zealot.

[frank ledge]

If only he could smyke for longer

Better smyker too

[unreal nova]

IKR.

[signal hawk]

Does Vet really need a rework

[unreal nova]

Bare min, a tree trimming. We have WAY too many tax nodes.

[signal hawk]

Needs better keystones

Especially since Arbites is getting auto wall hacks

[unreal nova]

If you wanna take something and zip to the other side, 4 points required instead of 2.

[true jackal]

already better smyker because they can use weapons while stunning

[unreal nova]

This isn't even talking about how our nodes are like... each do one thing rather than 1 point for up to 4-5 different things.

[signal hawk]

Arbites is the all rounder

[unreal nova]

All rounder but does better in those niche.

[signal hawk]

Hence the $12 price tag

[unreal nova]

It's one thing if he's meh at everything

[signal hawk]

And plus you can name the dog

[unreal nova]

But does all.

But then again, we do have oggy.

Just heavy stubber and do vet job, 0 points in tree required.

[frank ledge]

So can a smyker

YOu can rpess f

[unreal nova]

Bubble though.

Or it just lets you hold it longer at max-gaze

Don't ask. Seen gaze smykers before.

Bubble, I at least understand.

[frank ledge]

You can vent

so you can keep smyking

[unreal nova]

Yes, but smykers randomly use one of them.

[frank ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-gif-18336789254182423315

💀

[unreal nova]

So... yeah.

[void dragon]

arbites doesnt have extreme damage like psyker or ogryn, but can hold a line while shotguning down enemies fo get the job done

[steep flower]

Thats it; i’m gonna turn you into KEBAB

[gilded wraith]

Better vealot?

[sudden cedar]

Arbites have the Bolt Pistol, right?

[dry cloak]

yes

[sudden cedar]

Well that is all the range you need

[dry cloak]

shotguns are better

teh unique ones

[true jackal]

both of their shotguns function like actual shotguns

so they have pretty solid range

[sudden cedar]

Like.. Kickback level?

[true jackal]

like effective at all ranges present in the game level

[dry cloak]

what do you mean kickback?

[true jackal]

which tbf, the regular shotguns are ok at as well

[sudden cedar]

Ogryn Kickback makes trash disappear

[dry cloak]

because its overtuned

[sudden cedar]

Probably.

[true jackal]

the minium pellet system they use is very good for making shotguns work properly imo

[dry cloak]

and is literall small cannon size shotgun

[true jackal]

I mean as in the spread is actually rather tight and they have solid range

[dry cloak]

exterminator shotguns are gonna be good into everything that it should be

with one mark being good into carapace even

[true jackal]

they are like close range battle rifles more then sterotypical videogame shotguns

[sudden cedar]

Sounds fun

[dry cloak]

arbites shotguns are more akin to ks-23

[sudden cedar]

That does not tell me anything

[true jackal]

you know how shotgun gauges work(smaller number = bigger) the ks-23 shoots a 4 guage or something stupid

[dry cloak]

ks-23 are russian shotguns made from faulty 25mm barrels

[sudden cedar]

[dry cloak]

basically its shotgun+

[true jackal]

it's as close to a real life kickback a normal human can use

[dry cloak]

look it up on youtube

[lone radish]

Dewd

I saw a guy wearing super awesome vet drip now I really want the scion helmet

[unreal nova]

GL with that. You fail at stealth unlike maulers anyway.

[unreal nova]

How else do they get lethal prox AND puncture to use with their impact 'nades?

If they let puncture work with vet 'nades, sure...

[gilded wraith]

Does puncture require boltgun to be out?

[midnight wyvern]

what's this toughness grace period havoc speaks of with emperor's fading light?
when be the grace period normally

[gilded wraith]

For grenades?

[unreal nova]

Yes.

Same deal with assail and FGS slash.

[true jackal]

they gotta fix those interactions, either allow all the cross weapon interactions or none of them

and they been on the none of them side for a while now

[hollow ibex]

honestly im fine with bistol being a stat stick lol

gives it some flavor

[true jackal]

they've fixed cruican rev + knives, thrust and sluaght affecting fire damage

[unreal nova]

When toughness breaks in normal, you get a short 1 sec uber DR to not insta explode unless already being whaled on.

In havoc, that goes poof so you just die if it breaks to gunners/reapers.

[true jackal]

it'd be fine if it was a consisent game design decision

but for now it seems to go against their design philosophy

[hollow ibex]

well quirks like this is what makes bistol special

and to be quite frank, not like even with the buffs bistol is that great

its main use is still just buffing frags lol

the gun itself is pretty mid

[unreal nova]

Now impact 'nades.

[hollow ibex]

if these were issues on some op weapon, then i'd be more concerned

[hollow ibex]

that'll be fun

[serene condor]

did kraks get nerfed recently cause man it feels like it

[unreal nova]

If anything. The nerf should be fixing Impact 'nades.

[hollow ibex]

nah they've always sucked

[hollow ibex]

whats wrong with them?

[unreal nova]

Or just letting shredders give 10 stacks of bleed.

[hollow ibex]

10 stacks is prob too much lol

i think frags are honestly fine as-is

[unreal nova]

Impact 'nades has the same issue with assail/warpslash.

[hollow ibex]

oh applying puncture?

[unreal nova]

But it's ALSO explosive

So lethal prox works as well.

So it's clunkier shredders with higher impact damage.

Also, no 1 sec or so fuse time.

Might make it harder to use, but skitarius exist so...

You cheat and pay to do better.

[hollow ibex]

tbf the radius is noticeably smaller

[unreal nova]

But lethal+tinkerer radius is technically memes.

The thing is, if you wanna allow AoE damage 'nades to apply puncture, you let all of them do it.

Yes, even kraks.

The AoE is absolute trash and most things are already dead, but if they aren't...

And if oggy ever gets puncture, I expect box of boom max bleeding anything.

I know this because a content creator is already doing it in games and talking about it in another Discord

It just annoys me Arbites is literally just better vet and zealot with half of oggy's DR.

[midnight wyvern]

aw yep

[unreal nova]

Yeah, shooters are still scary even when nerfed now.

[sage agate]

so tragic puncture on bolt pistol doesnt proc on explosion

why is it everyone's first choice again?

[sleek garden]

Are vets getting impact grenades or something

[sage agate]

very highly doubt it, those are for arbites

[sleek garden]

Okay I was just misunderstanding above

I was like why are we talking about impact grenades with grenade tinkerer

And bleed

[gritty lantern]

Is there a mod that can remove the muzzle flash on the lasguns? the red flash it produces hurts my eyes and just makes playing the game unenjoyable.

[sage agate]

i remember once upon a time there being a mod on nexus that let you customize what your bullets looked like, so it could probably change how the lasgun bolts look

but you could probably get the weapon customization mod and modify the muzzle to be more obscured, that might eliminate the flash

(also the bright muzzle flash really just happens when it crits)

[gritty lantern]

i remember that mod, it didn't help much. i think it would change the bullet trail but the flash would still be there. even the ballistic flash is quite annoying when you get a crit the yellow flash really obscures the screen among the other visual clutter.

its such a shame really how the shooting feels so unfun, its like range was an afterthought or designed by people who never played an fps

[sage agate]

yeah no clue how to alleviate any issue with the giant ass muzzle flash aside from using low-crit weapons or lower ROF weapons. i imagine it's possible to mod the muzzle flash out, but im no modder

[sage agate]

i like shooting 😭

[deep bone]

What would you guys all say is the best Mark of the Infantry LasGun

Cause I personally really Like the Mk.IIB but the Mk.VII feels really good too

I don’t mind the Muzzle flash I’m used to it

[hollow ibex]

yeah II and VII are the least shit lasguns

[bleak tendon]

Where is that beautiful nebula colour coming from?

Right above the las-flare

[sage agate]

ah i use a mod that pulses in the direction of specials

[hollow ibex]

prob spidey senses

[sage agate]

im a tad hard of hearing so it helps

yea

[hollow ibex]

stop cheeaaaating reeeee

[bleak tendon]

Ah that’s cool

Speaking of mods

Anyone else been using the servo skull companion mod?

[sage agate]

mk7 w/e the carbine one is very fun to play with high crit and popping heads. can spam it easily enough, feels more mobile than the IIa, but still does nice damage. i was a IIa user for a long time tho

[sage agate]

sounds fun

[bleak tendon]

It’s on nexus if you want it, it hovers around smoothly and even blares a small alarm when a horde is coming 😮‍💨

[sage agate]

kino...

[deep bone]

I’m using that one with Headhunter and deadly accurate

It lets me do tons of weakpoint damage

[sage agate]

this is the way

take shocktrooper with it (naturally) and you basically have infinite ammo

i love vet's ammo efficiency

[deep bone]

Indeed

Hotshot LasGun when farshork

[unreal nova]

Arbites' 'nade can proc puncture but vet 'nades can't.

[deep bone]

I am still gonna main vet even with Arbites releasing lol

[unreal nova]

The servo skull more cheaty. Free flashlight.

[deep bone]

I love my Guardsman

[unreal nova]

Shouldn't be allowed since unfair advantage with literally no excuse to bs out of.

At least the weapon customisation flashlight replaces any gun bash with it. You trade something.

[deep bone]

Weapon customisation should be a base game thing

I wanna take the scope and light of my LasGun and give it a bayonet

[unreal nova]

I don't care of servo was just a visually appealing thing, but since it provides unfair advantages...

Is just like minor cheats.

[frank basin]

Can you customize your weapon?

Do you have them?

[dry cloak]

with mods yes

[frank basin]

Shhh

[deep bone]

I am on Xbox so I can’t do shit

[unreal nova]

This is basically the other reason. Mods is just an unfair advantage for one group.

And any real accessiblity things should be baseline for console players with actual disabilities too.

[deep bone]

I have tried to make my guardsman Adhere to Militarum Standard as much as possible

My Cadian 110th Grenadier

Cadia my Beloved

[unreal nova]

I play kinda more like if a Catachan grenadier existed.

[deep bone]

I want armour for all the famous regiments

I’m just lucky that my Favs the cadians got a lot of love in this game

[unreal nova]

They probably can't do Catachan without making it boring singlets.

[deep bone]

Sly Marbo

Give vet a huge Bowie Knife

[unreal nova]

That's just....

[deep bone]

I’m talking bigger then the combat knife

[dry cloak]

use catachan devil claw

[deep bone]

Like give them a comedically large combat knife

[dry cloak]

catachan devil claw

[unreal nova]

DC.

[dry cloak]

it is a knife by catachan standards

[deep bone]

Catachan Devil Claw does exist I forget about that

I haven’t used that weapon since I started playing the game

[unreal nova]

Because it needs heavy buffs.

[deep bone]

I mostly use power sword or Combat Axe

Fatshork pls buff Infantry Lasguns

[dry cloak]

try other weapons

[deep bone]

No

[dry cloak]

just dont expect miracles

[deep bone]

I will continue to use my Kantreal M36 LasGun

It is Standard issue guardsman weapon

[dry cloak]

i said try not stop using

[deep bone]

I wanna try shotguns out next patch

But I mostly use the Lasguns

Plasma getting nerfed was expected lol

Plasma Pistol when

Would be goated

[dry cloak]

its a rework first and foremost

[true jackal]

it's also not happening next patch

[deep bone]

It’s probably gonna make it worse let’s be real

Ahhhh

[dry cloak]

learn how to fucking read

[deep bone]

So plasma will remain how it is for a lil while longer

I do need to max out my plasma gun I got a good role

[unreal nova]

It's a nerf.

[dry cloak]

it probly be generall power down from current state but it still needs to be fun to use

[unreal nova]

Even with charge, it will do less than before.

[dry cloak]

if anything charge shot should do more

while m1 spam do less

[unreal nova]

The thing is, that's not how the gun works.

[deep bone]

I am not bothered I have never liked plasma to begin with so nothing changes in my mind

[unreal nova]

The quick shot is basically firing a charge for 1 sec shot.

[deep bone]

I always thought the weapon was boring to use

[unreal nova]

If you nerf quick, you nerf charge.

Simple.

[deep bone]

I want them to add a Hotshot LasGun to the game

[unreal nova]

Unless they recode the entire thing.

[deep bone]

I wanna rip a horde apart with it

[dry cloak]

unlikely

[deep bone]

Unironically change the plasmas charge system to be like the Helbore and give the gun an ADS

[dry cloak]

a lot people have a drudge againts vet mains

[deep bone]

Hotshot LasGun is in the game files big dawg

[dry cloak]

and say that vet should get nothing

[unreal nova]

Why the joke is, vet's best things are getting nerfed and nothing bad is getting buffed to compensate.

[dry cloak]

forever

[deep bone]

Same with the Long Las

Veteran is suffering

[dry cloak]

life is suffering

[deep bone]

Probably the 0 brain cell Zealot mains who use the DS and Flamer

[dry cloak]

that was all 3 classes for a bit

[unreal nova]

I mean, they did rework it, you need to pay $12.

[deep bone]

Duelling sword is getting nerfed isn’t it?

[dry cloak]

not this patch

[unreal nova]

Yeah.

[deep bone]

Thank fuck for that

[dry cloak]

it got a buff because of hows game coded

[deep bone]

Nah dumpster that weapon

[dry cloak]

but september is probably the month

[unreal nova]

To be fair, dueling is just as busted for gun builds.

[deep bone]

I’m tired of people gate keeping in pub matches because waaaa your not using the DS kick him

I see that shit all the time

[unreal nova]

You will be going weakpoint and elite+oggy damage.

[deep bone]

As I said I use mostly the axe and power sword

[dry cloak]

that so fucking stupid way of thinking

[unreal nova]

It's just as busted in a different way.

[deep bone]

I see people all the time be toxic over what weapons other people use

It’s just the reality of this game some people can’t stand to see others have fun with anything other than the meta

Truly Tragic

[unreal nova]

I don't care, skill matters more. If you fold twice in 5 secs before min 1...

You suck whatever loadout you have.

[deep bone]

People did that shit on Vermintide

[deep bone]

Valid

I personally don’t mind just don’t throw

Like join my match using whatever weapons are the most fun for you

[unreal nova]

And don't troll.

[deep bone]

I don’t come home from a stressful day of work to then get stressed over a game

[unreal nova]

Some ppl find it fun blowing teammates up with bursters and barrels.

[deep bone]

It’s a severe lack of Social Skills most likely

[hollow ibex]

All good until it impacts the fun of other people...

[unreal nova]

Then get FS to buff those weapons.

[deep bone]

lol

[hollow ibex]

Rumbler? 😊

[unreal nova]

That one needs a nerf.

[deep bone]

I would like to see some new weapons on Vet

Some new types of Autoguns and Lasguns maybe

[unreal nova]

I mean the bad ones that feel nice but do nothing.

Hell, I'll advocate shovel buffs.

[deep bone]

Maybe a Grenade Launcher for Vet

[frank basin]

We wish

[heavy rover]

so will the arbites drop alongside the weapon balances in 1.8?

or are they two separate drops?

[deep bone]

I hope that fatshork doesn’t make the lazy choice and just give vet the guns from Zealot

Like here guys a new weapon for vet and it’s just the flamer

Can we have something ✨ NEW ✨

[dry cloak]

Yes

[heavy rover]

Nice

[deep bone]

It drops tomorrow so I will be able to check out the new mission after my work

[heavy rover]

Already got a helbore build lined up

[deep bone]

What are they buffing on the Helbore?

[heavy rover]

extra emphasis on the faster wield time

[deep bone]

Of thank fuck

Goated buffs

[heavy rover]

I'm so looking forward to taking it to havoc once I get a hang of the changes

sucks that the one week I"ll be busy with conferences is the exact week the update drops

[deep bone]

I hope that Infantry Las Guns get some love but for now there not that bad

You can make them work

I take my Mk.VII and Mk.IIb into Havoc all the time

[heavy rover]

yeah, I've been doing fine using the Mk iia lasgun with Ghost, it's gotten me True Survivor when havoc first dropped

[deep bone]

I use Headhunter Deadly Accurate on Mk.VII

Let’s me 1 tap nearly every special

[heavy rover]

my go-to is Headhunter and Ghost. But with all the boss spawns in the new havoc, I've been experiminting with Headhunter and Infernus

[deep bone]

I used Headhunter Infernus on the IIb and it is good

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-cat-warhammer40k-gif-23254825

How my Havoc 40 runs look

[heavy rover]

I use deadshot with the mk iib

never ran out of ammo

[unreal nova]

But ran out of stamina.

[heavy rover]

with Target down and focus target, that's a constant stamina regen for me

[unreal nova]

The joke is deadshot is stam murder. I basically only use it to force faster crits on like revolver.

[heavy rover]

yeah as much as it's a meme, I do find it useful

[unreal nova]

It can be, just spicy with how bad vet stam+regen is without hard going into things. Or duck and dive spam.

[sleek garden]

if you want to be risky with it you can take tunnel vision with marksmans focus

It gives back 10% stamina on a headshot kill

basically the price of one shot in deadshot

Really useful on the Zarona shotgun because you can knock off like 5 heads at once

[steep flower]

Not worth it

[grand perch]

ofc its worth it if you go mmf

[sleek garden]

I take tunnel vision anyway because I like getting a ton of toughness back with every headshot kill

I just wish I knew the mechanics of how the toughness replenishment of tunnel vision works

[grand perch]

focus target is better ofc, but if you wanna go mmf and deadshot, take tunnel vision

[sleek garden]

I specifically have a rolling steel build with mmf Zarona shotgun deadshot

terrible on every other map

[unreal nova]

This sounds like memes.

[sleek garden]

yeah

But it works

[unreal nova]

Also sounds like Voidstrike on train.

[sleek garden]

It's funny to see the blood fountain when you blow up like 10 heads on an approaching horde

[unreal nova]

_>

<_<

[sleek garden]

okay but I'm not playing psyker

I'm trying to use a silly shotgun

[unreal nova]

I'm thinking correct, right?

[sleek garden]

Unsure

there is a blessing for the shotguns where critting massively increases cleave

so you take like

Scattershot

[unreal nova]

If it clears hordes but only good in tight tunnels or corridors, yes.

[sleek garden]

or bank a lot on crits (Deadshot)

the special shell is really wide

Aim at head level and fire

If you're lucky you just killed like 10 people

If you're unlucky you just knocked over the first 5 dudes to the floor

[unreal nova]

Sounds like the strike to a degree, lul.

[sleek garden]

I think the bowling ball is not as wide

[agile mango]

how does no respite work against bosses? IDK why people keep recommending it since bosses like burgle are so hard to stagger

[unreal nova]

It's not, why more tunnel for it.

Still luck based if things die or well, bowled.

[hollow ibex]

jfc, why do half the the ogryns in QP run only rumbler now

and watching some shitgryn play, doesn't even need PBB to be broken as fuck

[steep flower]

Just use OFB/CK

[elder fiber]

Dang its only half of the ogs in your game, not 95%

[fresh dome]

Was not awared you can one shot bulward with hellbore over the shield

[agile mango]

no ult either; how?

[fresh dome]

seem the hit box for the bulwark head is a bit above the actual head

[hollow ibex]

you can see a sliver of his head

so you can shoot it

[unreal nova]

Is OP. I tried it. Went back to kickback anyway because projectiles at 300 ping is annoying.

[fresh dome]

yea but I was aiming above that sliver

[hollow ibex]

prob the size of the projectile

[hollow ibex]

yeah i had assumed you need PBB to make rumbler op

but nah, all you really need is BLO

[elder fiber]

Its probs better on taunt if you have a tiny amt of restraint but most ogs still prefer to run out of ammo asap even tho you can have infinite beans with BLO

[crude star]

that projectile is getting bigger soon too

[elder fiber]

Its a genuinely embarassing weapon lmao

[midnight wyvern]

why at 300 pingus?

[steep flower]

Depends; PBB melts bosses/elite hordes faster than taunt version

[hollow ibex]

yeah PBB rumbler is just an "i-win" button to literally anything in the game, so long as you have ammo

it's fucking stupid

[steep flower]

Excluding twins & captains

[elder fiber]

You usually don't need to melt bosses pbb fast on the class that can facetank them + gunner mob with cstrike and taunt is incredibly potent for mitigating bad situations if the ogryn is remotely competent

(Most aren't and yes its broken on pbb too tbc)

[steep flower]

Depends on terrain & situation

[hollow ibex]

true, i don't play havoc

[steep flower]

Sometimes melting a boss faster will give enough space

[faint beacon]

Realized

If the shotguns are “The worst gun in the game” till tomorrow

Who’s the next to take the title after tomorrow

[tame lodge]

I raise Columnus Infantry Autogun

[faint beacon]

I’m honestly torn between Infantry Las or Vigilants mainly cause of power creep

That or the non Vraks-IAGs

[steep flower]

Shredder

[faint beacon]

Shredder is honestly in a good spot

[steep flower]

Still not good enough; nice stagger weapon tho; its just like rippers

[hollow ibex]

it's a good boss magdumper

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s not really meant to be a win button but like a good utility ranged

It’s crazy good on Psyker and Zealot

Veteran?

It’s alright

It’s still solid

[hollow ibex]

idk if i'd say it's crazy good

it's decent

[steep flower]

It’s still not even considered

[sonic kayak]

Unlike you, who is crazy good

[faint beacon]

Mainly cause the BP class demands BPs

So it gets overshadowed

[unreal nova]

PBB is if you just wanna rub salt into heretics blast holes.

[unreal nova]

I'm from SEA who does H40 in EU and well, for more relating to topic, also bring my oggy to help ppl for penances at 300-400 ping.

[steep flower]

You are from undah da SEA

[sonic kayak]

300 pingus in SEA? How can they survive over there, it's hot af

Torturing those poor pingus like that

[steep flower]

She has a fan

[sonic kayak]

Ah ok fair enough

Good ol' responsible Karien

[unreal nova]

You mean what EU ppl call an aeroplane turbine.

[sonic kayak]

Good job keeping those pingus alive, Karien

[midnight wyvern]

[unreal nova]

Do you guys even get fans there?

[sonic kayak]

You will get one(1) pat on the back for a job well done

[midnight wyvern]

lol

[sudden cedar]

You are permitted a five seconds break to celebrate your victory.

[unreal nova]

I take breaks whenever I want to. Here's have a krak to giff to an oggy if you need them to help you krump things.

[sudden cedar]

Unthinkable. You will rest when you are permitted to do so.

Now get back into the fight.

[unreal nova]

Newp. You can offer to carry me in H40 after reset if you want.

[sudden cedar]

No.

Well, maybe.

[unreal nova]

Maybe?

[sudden cedar]

Yes. For you. Just for you.

[unreal nova]

I mean, is an excuse to get me on to poke heretics in the eye, yes?

[sudden cedar]

Excuse to make you use chorus instead of me.

[unreal nova]

Do they make you use it that much?

[sudden cedar]

No.

They do not MAKE me.

I do it myself.

[unreal nova]

Ah, and you just wanna go back to fury?

[sudden cedar]

It is a heavy burden to bear for victory.

[unreal nova]

Wat.

Why heavy?

[sudden cedar]

Whatever.

[midnight wyvern]

what to run on Power Sword?

other than energize, as that seems self explainatory

[hollow ibex]

pc4/brumentum/elite/maniac

[midnight wyvern]

power cycler* yeah

[sudden cedar]

https://tenor.com/bCzN1.gif

Bears.

FOR KISLEV!

[midnight wyvern]

shrimple as

[sudden cedar]

[sudden cedar]

Here endeth thy lesson.

[stuck tree]

Bears

[unreal nova]

Momma bears are scarier than normal bears.

[grand perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO6htj5zO9I

[spark canopy]

i knew infiltrate was useful

but fuck, i wasn't expecting it to be this effective

[hollow ibex]

there we go boys, vet is saved!

[snow pendant]

did they change to smoke grenade to give it any use ?

[hollow ibex]

hardly anything vet has changed

[snow pendant]

ok , thanks i thought by now they would give it an effective use

[hollow ibex]

it is useful in havoc

not super useful outside of havoc

i only take it because of pathing

[wooden stirrup]

What mark is best for the heavy sword

And what would the move combos be for it?

[hollow ibex]

IX is what i use

single target is h1 -> sp loop

horde clear is light -> heavy, then all heavies

[wooden stirrup]

Oh alr

What blessings do you run?

[hollow ibex]

deathblow HT

flakiac

[wooden stirrup]

Been a while since I've played

Strength just increases stagger right?

[true jackal]

damage stagger and cleave

[wooden stirrup]

Oh okay

[tame lodge]

Alternate universe where Space Wolves became bearable

[unreal nova]

To be fair, vet just has to work the most for similar results. oggy just drool and turn off brain vs min max can't be touched and poke.

You can't go off minmaxxing or you just don't achieve results compared to... I don't know what cancer of a keystoneless oggy build I sometimes mess around with.

[hollow ibex]

yeah i was memeing

[real lynx]

anybody got a good recon lasgun build for vet

[hollow ibex]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e3a17a9-c4c4-4f9b-855b-c37250ad14f2/basic-bitch-recon-las

[real lynx]

that pic HAHAHA

thanks lol

[real lynx]

but no keystones? why not

[hollow ibex]

none of the keystones synergize well with recon las

so keystoneless recon las vet is quite common

[real lynx]

this almost a 10/10 replica of what im running already so im happy to see i was on the right path

[real lynx]

ah ok cool

[unreal nova]

Also, Vet is taxed so much anyway that you are better off skipping them.

[real lynx]

wym taxed?

[unreal nova]

You have to pay a hilarious amount of points as taxes to split focus.

Like say you want smoke into Survivalist, that's a +2 points tax.

Survivalist into shout is +1 tax if you choose not to exe stance.

[wicked summit]

Uh

[unreal nova]

And then there's so many minor stat nodes scattered around.

[hollow ibex]

yeah you just have to waste talent points to get to the good stuff

[plain osprey]

Voc is all you need on vet

The rest is fluff

Keep screaming your ptsd onto the battlefield lmao

[void dragon]

the power of bollying your team peers into doing better

[void dragon]

no shock trooper in that build? is that right?

[hollow ibex]

yes

[void dragon]

also, bring it down doesnt work for the recon burn?

[hollow ibex]

it wouldn't?

i don't see why it wouldn't

[void dragon]

so its just skipped because no perk points left

[hollow ibex]

burn's just going to be a small part of the overall damage

even assuming it doesn't apply to burn

[hollow ibex]

just checked, it applies to burn

[unreal nova]

Vet TAXES.

[tawdry blade]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[sleek relic]

um vet enjoyers I have experienced something strange but idk if talking about it counts as breaking the server rule regarding discussion of cheating/exploits?

[hollow ibex]

talk about it, and if it's a violation we'll ban you

[sleek relic]

rip well here goes

dang just realised i can't seem to post imgs in chat

well to explain the lssue/glitch? one of my recon lasguns somehow got 100% in all stats when i was experimenting in the psykanum (sorry if i butchered that lol)

[void dragon]

using mods? there are some that are cosmetics for the weapons that can give an error showing 100% sometimes, but its just visual

[sleek relic]

yea

me tweaking with it via weapon customisation mod fixed it

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's prb just a bug

[sleek relic]

strange the title card for it said it did almost as much dmg as an mk 1 agri iag (it was the fast shooting blue recon lasgun)

strange things indeed well thanks for helping clear that up

[faint beacon]

Visual bug

[edgy dew]

https://i.gyazo.com/a2a83b6ef25211c3e2c72442d9f1fdc6.png

is that new?

[heavy rover]

just got that message too

I'm assuming because the update's dropping tomorrow

[edgy dew]

rude, its my day off

[heavy rover]

same, the one week where I'll be swamped with conferences all the way into the evenings was the week the update drops

[hollow ibex]

i'm pissed that it's a monday update

[edgy dew]

right??

will hardly be able to play for the first week

[hollow ibex]

yeah i might be busy too

[edgy dew]

whats a good melee weapon to pair with a bolt pistol grenadier build?

[tropic notch]

Since Bolt pistol is really good single target I’d do the Rashad mk3 or power sword mk6

[tall torrent]

power sword VI

[edgy dew]

ill start with rashad, havent made the effort to roll a good powersword yet

[tropic notch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d51275b-f9c4-4494-9b88-bfafbbbf4981/terrible-vet-build this would be my build for it

[edgy dew]

no tinkerer?

[void dragon]

its not necesary outside of frag nade centric builds

[edgy dew]

frag nade centric is what I was going for yeah

[unreal nova]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f383935-9a34-4d8e-83d3-dbcca9a36a09/another-nadier-build

That's my current. I got on PC to just rebuild it. If you don't want WS, I can tweak it for you, but yeah.

If you want twinned, you can drop either Field Improv or Born Leader.

I personally will drop Born Leader over Field, but yeah.

I do run flak cara, but that's my own nonsense so maniac is a saner pick.

You can also take Skirmisher over Trench Fighter if you keep it at max stacks as a 'nade goes off for more damage.

[elder vessel]

imagine if smokes were quick toss like knifes

[unkempt pawn]

Been away from the game for a minute, is the pinned guide up to date enough?

[unreal nova]

Imagine smoke being on impact.

Vet is now NINJA.

[trim badger]

No, it already happened on the end of season 1

So maybe Arbites update also brings Havoc 3.0? (season 3)

[edgy dew]

was in a match sorry, reading now!

[unreal nova]

Do note, this is all in to 'nades. many melees will feel off with it. I think you can easily drop in Tacaxe after the buff even.

[elder vessel]

As God intended

[void dragon]

As the Emperor of mankind designed it

[elder vessel]

ejhH emepror is kind of lame

he couldn't make peak ninja veteran

D-tier deity

[trim badger]

Havoc disabled until tomorrow, game is unplayeable gg

Where's my dopamine

[stuck tree]

dukane on her 1 day off

[void dragon]

"gathering intel" she say, surely she is going to a party while we suffer the lack of Lex

[crude star]

i think i die most to ragers

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1324605503191388220/Rager_electric_boogaloo.mp4?ex=6778c281&is=67777101&hm=30ab0a12a294228bf8b3defea911311727c208b942d51984fd325d6a2854c977&

[unreal nova]

I can't just rush H40 day one and go do stuff worry free now?

[trim badger]

exactly

But

This might be even worse

Because if this follows 2.0 procedure (Where they disabled Havoc back when it was in 1.0 for the remaining of the night)

That means we are getting Havoc 3.0 tomorrow, and we start from Assignment 30 again

xdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

[hollow ibex]

i never understood why they ended up making scab rager just a better dreg rager

#dreglivesmatter

[trim badger]

Dreg rager still has the faster running combo tho

which is the most deadly one

(because it catches you by surprise the most)

[tall torrent]

nah, it's easy to deal with

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[trim badger]

I never said it was hard

[hollow ibex]

meanwhile scab rager gets carapace body lol

[trim badger]

I said it was the "deadlier" one

hehe

[hollow ibex]

scab ragers are more dangerous in my book

[tall torrent]

ig if u have zero stagger tools then yea

[unreal nova]

I feel like they just want mostly negative reviews.

[trim badger]

It's still easy, it's just that one is the most dangerous compared to the alternatives

[unreal nova]

Then beg valve to change it.

[trim badger]

which are mega easy instead of just easy

[crude star]

why armor type is scab face

[unreal nova]

Because we are getting unfairly review bombed.

[trim badger]

It's flak

flak head, the rest cara

[crude star]

thanks. because of the stupid radio operator i don't have some of htye scab units in my psyk

[tall torrent]

use creature spawner mod

[hollow ibex]

that's fucked

[crude star]

i'll give that a try

[unreal nova]

They added it during that event... Never bothered to actually add it into the game.

They don't even show up in the psykhanium anyway.

[trim badger]

... You mentioning this during Havoc Maintenance

xdddddd we might get them

in Havoc

[unreal nova]

So ppl who don't wanna play Havoc get kark'd.

[trim badger]

Yeah, exactly like Daemonhost Rituals

people outside of Havoc won't experience them

[unreal nova]

Except there's the stupid kill 10 or something scab radio operator bs.

[serene bough]

where is this penance for scab radio operator

[unreal nova]

The one where you need to kill x number of scab elite/specialist.

[crude star]

there's two missing spots in psyk, and they ask for "elitist" which is one of every type

[serene bough]

oh i see

[crude star]

er, something like that

there's maybe more than one that asks for them

[serene bough]

i dont see the dedicatd penance for them

but i do see in traitorous collective

[unreal nova]

Which you need to fully unlock the psykhanium from memory.

[crude star]

elitist, is 10 of each elite scab, traitorous is 1 of each scab overa ll

psyk asks for elitist

[serene bough]

i think im blind

i dont see

[crude star]

penance, heretical, line 2 second from the right

[serene bough]

oh i see now

thank you

yeah i completed that long before radio operator was added

[unreal nova]

The problem is for new players.

[serene bough]

yeah

[unreal nova]

They got karked if they join after.

Is like, why even add it if they weren't prepared to be like.

We got this new unit fully finished after the event and is releasing it for either a mutator for auriics/normal or just a random spawn.

[serene bough]

guess they just wanted to test run it

[unreal nova]

Still should have edited penances if not fully ready.

[serene bough]

yeah its weird to add to a penance already

[unreal nova]

Like, remove it after or hide it actually being needed for it.

[gusty escarp]

Hammerblow and Trauma on the Mk 1 Sappee Shovel is insane

It will throw any enemy around

[sage agate]

wait, does weapon specialist not interact with recon lasgun to become evil crit machine now?

oh wait it's for the NEXT shot

im dumb nvm

[gusty escarp]

I think combined they give a +225% impact, not including base stats

[fossil lake]

I finished all the grindy penances and now I just need 200 more krak kills

But that's fine since I still need 40 more missions

5 kraks per mission and I'm gucci

[faint wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[errant badger]

Does anyone know what the point of the infantry lashing is?

I don’t know why but it just feels so bad

[grand perch]

who's lashing the infantry? is it hadron?

[crude star]

my kink..

[wise prairie]

Definitely hadron

[tame lodge]

Precision Fire

[hollow ibex]

*terms and conditions may apply

[errant badger]

Sorry I meant lasgun

Stupid autocorrect

I don’t understand what the use case is for the infantry lasgun. It’s just completely outclassed

It feels so weak compared to everything else

[wise prairie]

I just solo’d a chaos spawn

Just to die to a angry pack of ragers chasing me like usain bolt

Im gonna

HHENEMDOQJBENDNwdiehdbbdbd

Okay i’m good

[uncut pebble]

It's a finesse oriented weapon intended as a countershooter weapon. It also has reverse damage falloff. It's meant to be a more ammo friendly option compared to the vigilant autoguns.

The vigilant autoguns serve the same purpose, but their tradeoff is poor maniac damage instead of reverse damage falloff.

With both weapon types being properly made (and with proper builds), you can reach out and oneshot anything that isn't a carapace head.

[errant badger]

Ok

I must not have the right build for it

Also it isn’t fully upgraded yet so that is also an issue

[hollow ibex]

nah there's just not really any saving it

[uncut pebble]

They're good weapons.

You just need the right setup.

Agri vigilant with exe stance is one of my favorite builds.

Right now, though, I'm bolt pistol pilled and using a very weird exe stance weapon spec build.

[errant badger]

I do love the bolt pistol

[sick sluice]

bolt pistol feels so nice

[sand marten]

Hey guys I’m trying to get the generally best veteran build I can, but I’m pretty unknowledgeable on what’s a good one or how the stats work, if anyone wants to give me feedback on the one I’m following I’d appreciate it

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ee36473-7a45-464c-bba7-af3476e951c5/recon-lasgun-veteran-current

[errant badger]

I am trying to use my kriegsman infantry build with shovel and lasgun but I just haven’t got the lasgun quote there yet

I’m starting to get the hang of it but I feel like it needs a little buff

[dry cloak]

bolt pistol is very valid weapon for exe stance

[uncut pebble]

I can already tell you this is certified doodoo butter because of the curios and duelling sword.

[sand marten]

got it got it

So what do I do,

[uncut pebble]

So, basically, to explain a little, ability cooldown perks on curios are worthless.

[sand marten]

I was thinking so

I don’t have those ones on, mine mostly go to health tbh

[uncut pebble]

You take tactical awareness anyway (flat 6s cooldown reduction on specialist kill) and you're using executioners stance, which can refresh before it expires if you kill fast enough.

[uncut pebble]

It's very ammo hungry though.

Anywho duelling sword is also mega cringe.

You have no horde clear with that outside of your shredders.

And clearing hordes without elites mixed in is a giant waste of a grenade.

[tall torrent]

Helbore gets a pretty sizeable buff tomorrow

[sand marten]

I’m just using it cause the build said it was good, what should I use instead?

[uncut pebble]

Use something like mk1 shovel, it has access to uncanny strike to make your shredders better and skullcrusher to allow you to pop armored elites.

And you can actually clear hordes with that.

Outside of shovel, you could use a tac axe if you enjoy those.

2 or 7 is preferable.

[sand marten]

Are chainswords decent?

[uncut pebble]

Unfortunately, no.

[sand marten]

That’s what I was using before

[uncut pebble]

Chainswords are good only if you're clearing chaff.

[sand marten]

[uncut pebble]

The moment an elite gets mixed in, they fall off.

[hollow ibex]

chaff as in literally the trash of the trash

not even elites

anything even a step above, i.e., bruisers

and it drops off

[uncut pebble]

Right right bruisers still evaporate your cleave and damage.

One (1) buckethead:

Very unfortunate, too, because chainswords are like, the identity of warhammer.

[hollow ibex]

ilas and chord are iconic weapons

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[uncut pebble]

Anywho, vet doesn't have a whole lot of good melees to choose from, which kinda sucks.

[dry cloak]

today

[uncut pebble]

I hope we get a breachers axe at some point.

[dry cloak]

heavy sword

[uncut pebble]

That would be great if they were taking an anti carapace ranged.

[sand marten]

Also, total noob question, how do I fill up the percentile stuff of like damage and so on?

[dry cloak]

yes

[uncut pebble]

Get mastery by using the weapon or sacrificing items to Hadron, then select the weapon and empower it.

Your recon will want to dump collateral, btw.

[sand marten]

Ahhh I see

[uncut pebble]

As for shovel, that dumps defences, axes dump mobility, power sword dumps cleave targets.

[sand marten]

What do I replace it?

I picked up a profane shovel since I didn’t have one

I already sacrificed all my weapons that I wasn’t using before I knew what I was doing

[uncut pebble]

Tip for single target damage on shovel (because lots of folks don't know how skullcrusher works), your special will stagger an enemy (crushers and maulers need to be headshot iirc), then you do your push attack to do like half their hp in one hit.

(assuming 5 stacks of uncanny btw)

[sand marten]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

I’ll be honest I’ve been playing this game like L4D, and taking whatever looks good till now, and I’ve played the game on and off since release, so I understand nothing

What does uncanny do

[dry cloak]

also learn how to melee

[sand marten]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[dry cloak]

i know shocking

[midnight wyvern]

basically stacking armour penetration as a reward for hitting headshots with melee

rending being armour pen, if you simplify it lol

[sand marten]

Gotcha, I’ll get the mastery on it up and then get it

[midnight wyvern]

its pretty good

[grand perch]

or as we know it in europe, today

[midnight wyvern]

weapons level up pretty quickly by just using the in missions btw, so I probably wouldn't sacrifice stuff at the moment

[midnight wyvern]

its already lunch time for me

[dry cloak]

its 6;27 in CEST

[tall torrent]

Well, ~8hrs from now I think

[sand marten]

12:03 AM in CST

[sand marten]

Any suggestions on what the other blessing should be?

[midnight wyvern]

decimator ? does pretty good if brutal momentum is on there I'd go that

goog perk

[whole blade]

bro thats just wqrong.
Power Sword
combat axe
duelling sword
Heavy sword
combat blade
shovel

[uncut pebble]

Context, sir.

[whole blade]

devils claw for Aurics and under are really good

[uncut pebble]

They arent.

They're fun, not good.

[frank ledge]

Everything is good for d*mnation

[whole blade]

i said aurics and under

[frank ledge]

Damnation is the new sedation

[whole blade]

Shock Maul is great

[uncut pebble]

DS and knife are good but lack horde clear.
Heavy sword is good but lacks armor damage (the main argument).
Not everyone wants to use power sword and rashad all the time.
That leaves shovel.

And no, shock maul is not great.

You are coping hard if you think it is.

It has good adm's but terrible base damage.

[whole blade]

its better on zealot tbf

[uncut pebble]

Low cleave is a cherry on top.

[frank ledge]

What frog is trying to explain is that weapons that can output great on otber classes (hsword on zealot for example) need a lot more node work on veteran

[uncut pebble]

Well, the bar is a tripping hazard in hell.

[tame lodge]

Shovel

💀

[uncut pebble]

Ding ding ding, hsword is a perfect choice on zealout because you have chastise.

[tame lodge]

💀 💀 💀

[frank ledge]

And even with said node work they perform wirse

[loud belfry]

zealout

[frank ledge]

Zealin

[uncut pebble]

(you can do half a crusher's hp in one push attack with skullcrusher and relevant talents)

[sweet harness]

is DS getting nerfed?

[frank ledge]

Veteran...worst of the Atoman 5

[sweet harness]

And if so what melee is going to replace it

[frank ledge]

Reworked

[whole blade]

heavy sword is great on vet. just have an anti armour gun like bolter or bolt pistol

[uncut pebble]

Special > PA on a crusher's head with a few uncanny stacks and some relevant damage talents, and boom.

[uncut pebble]

Again, context, the person wanted to run recon with executioner's stance.

[frank ledge]

Folding shovel and DS share niche, DS will still be better podt nerf

[uncut pebble]

Why would I recommend them using a melee that has terrible anti armor when their ranged also has terrible anti armor?

[uncut pebble]

If the Chinese translation leak is to be trusted, they're changing the DS special to a parry.

Hopefully we also see it being gimped in terms of its anti armor potential.

[whole blade]

sure I was just saying I disagree that vet has bad melee, it obviously depends on hgow your weapons synergise

[frank ledge]

It was according to the leaks

[whole blade]

but just as is hge has good melee

[uncut pebble]

Read into context next time, then.

[frank ledge]

And worse at horde clear, cleave values tweaked down

[uncut pebble]

Vet does not have a lot of good melee options, this is factual.

Psyker has even less.

[frank ledge]

Achtually taxe

[uncut pebble]

If you want a lot of good melee options, you play zealout.

[uncut pebble]

Taxe unfortunately fucking sucks.

I still use it, though.

Hell, I used achlys caxe earlier just to feel something.

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-finally-someone-who-speaks-english-captain-america-tony-stark-gif-17147260

[frank ledge]

Ogryn having less weapon variety but all melee weapons been good

Even BB

[whole blade]

all im gfonna say is I disagree. i wont get into an argument about it

[uncut pebble]

Disagree away, you have a right to be wrong.

[uncut pebble]

What if it isn't ragebait? What if it's my genuine, unfiltered, dogshit opinion?

(taxe do be kinda poopy though, wish it was a bit better)

[frank ledge]

Local taxe cultists has confirmed it's better post patch

Hopefully the feedback that taxe should remain mid will reach FS before the patchie

[uncut pebble]

I hope they aren't lying because this is gibberish to me.

Like, what are "power level multipliers?"

[tame lodge]

Still no confirmation of removal of cap

Therefore

[uncut pebble]

What do they do? What were they before?

[tame lodge]

Dogshit weapon

[tame lodge]

Taxe has a cap of 3 on the heavies

Which is

💀

[uncut pebble]

I wasn't talking about that.

[tame lodge]

Because 1.5 to 3 cleave ain't hitting a 4th target

[uncut pebble]

I was talking about the power level multipliers that fatshark was talking about in the update notes.

I do not understand them.